Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
Speaker 1: of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. Ready, Ready,
Speaker 1: let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez
Speaker 1: here on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every day,
Speaker 1: mighty do Friday, New Pacific, three Eastern, Sunday three Pacific,
Speaker 1: sixth Eastern. Well seracy on this show. You know that
Speaker 1: means we have got this a e W blood and
Speaker 1: guts show to talk about here today. What do you
Speaker 1: think of that match? Holy smokes, it was wild. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you all about it here today. But obviously, the
Speaker 1: top story, which we actually don't have an update on today,
Speaker 1: at least at this moment, is the situation with Santana.
Speaker 1: Santana was injured during the match. He hit the ring,
Speaker 1: did like three spots hitting here anaga, and his his
Speaker 1: like his lower leg went one way, his upper leg
Speaker 1: went another way, his foot went another way, and uh,
Speaker 1: and he collapsed and he rolled to the apron and
Speaker 1: he laid there for the entire rest of the match.
Speaker 1: At one point I think he got to his feet
Speaker 1: and he did like a quick he hit somebody or
Speaker 1: something like that. But then he was down and he
Speaker 1: laid there and he did not move and it was
Speaker 1: a knee injury of some sort. And the word that
Speaker 1: I had heard last night was the doctor. You you
Speaker 1: get an initial examination and then you've got to go
Speaker 1: get the m r I. And based on the initial examination,
Speaker 1: it was believed that he might have torn multiple ligaments
Speaker 1: a c L, S, M c LS, whatever is in there,
Speaker 1: and so he was scheduled to undergo an m r I.
Speaker 1: And uh, we can all hope for good news, but
Speaker 1: he's probably going to be out a lengthy period of time.
Speaker 1: So all the best to Santana. If we get an update,
Speaker 1: we will let you know. But uh, presumably when he
Speaker 1: gets everything figured out, he'll give it everybody an updates.
Speaker 1: So that is the big injury coming out of blood
Speaker 1: and guts. And you know, we talked about all these
Speaker 1: injuries and all of the crazy things, and you know,
Speaker 1: some people talk about toning down and too much craziness.
Speaker 1: And he did a year in Naga, that was it,
Speaker 1: maybe a year Naga and he destroyed his knee and
Speaker 1: it didn't even look like he did it wrong. So
Speaker 1: things happened in wrestling, and uh, and that's it. Back
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Speaker 1: Bright nowbur is here Wrestling Observer Alive mixambur Vi also
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer dot Com. Yes, I am back, Thank god?
Speaker 1: Right Mike? What happened yesterday? I have no idea. There
Speaker 1: was an issue with the connection between your setup of
Speaker 1: the Thaie line and the byelines Thaie line, and I
Speaker 1: fed into your bye line and that was fine and
Speaker 1: the show sounded fine if you were watching on video.
Speaker 1: But if you were also watching on video, you saw
Speaker 1: me with a phone in my hand because the radio
Speaker 1: portion of the show, there was a connection issue. I
Speaker 1: have no idea, but it was alleviated by the first
Speaker 1: for first main segment, so everything worked out. Why Why
Speaker 1: am I so high in my head so big compared
Speaker 1: to yours? What's up with my camera? Who was messing
Speaker 1: with my camera when I was gone? Did I grow?
Speaker 1: You have ghosts in that house? Apparently they caused all
Speaker 1: sorts of having yesterday while you were on the road,
Speaker 1: and Mike spittled while he was on the phone. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to know what that means. Spittled? What
Speaker 1: does that mean? I don't know. Uh, we'll figure all
Speaker 1: this out later. Am I are you adjusting your pants?
Speaker 1: What are you doing right there? But uh, up down, up, dope,
Speaker 1: I always up this high? Or what's going on? Good?
Speaker 1: All of you listening on the radio, or like, what
Speaker 1: is this idiot talking about? What I'm talking about is
Speaker 1: Logan Paul YouTube and celebrity boxing superstar Logan Paul is
Speaker 1: officially in her contract with the w w E. Paul
Speaker 1: and Nelson News on Twitter and Instagram today writing that
Speaker 1: quote he just signed with the w w E. You know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, by the way, this is a totally
Speaker 1: just a totally different thing right here. But Dave, you know,
Speaker 1: went on for like twenty five minutes about social media
Speaker 1: last night how much it sucked, and uh, it does suck.
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this today, how how different all of these different social
Speaker 1: media platforms are. So I used Twitter every day largely
Speaker 1: for business reasons. I tweet out, you know, when the
Speaker 1: show is gonna be on, and this and that, and
Speaker 1: every now and then I'll i'll quip. So then I
Speaker 1: was thinking about I never east to go on Facebook,
Speaker 1: and I have an Instagram, but I I almost never
Speaker 1: ever go on either of those platforms, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking about it today. You ever notice it, like your
Speaker 1: Facebook is just one giant, unending wall of everyone telling
Speaker 1: you every horrible thing that has ever happened in their
Speaker 1: lives and what horrible thing is happening today. But if
Speaker 1: you go on Instagram, it's like every wonderful thing that's
Speaker 1: happening to everybody in their lives and how great they
Speaker 1: look and how cool their stuff is. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of bizarre when you think about it. It's like,
Speaker 1: can we have like a middle ground social media which
Speaker 1: isn't like every horrible thing that happened to you, but
Speaker 1: also not you know, complete bs about your imaginary life.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got off on that, but
Speaker 1: I guess it's because because Logan Paul's is social media
Speaker 1: stars sick of looking at Brazilian but lets fill up
Speaker 1: your I G timeline. So he signed a multi year deal,
Speaker 1: took Pete had multiple events per year. We this is
Speaker 1: not official, but the the I was told it was
Speaker 1: a three year deal. So he's gonna be around for
Speaker 1: a while and he's gonna be doing a lot. And
Speaker 1: if you watched if you watched WrestleMania, I mean he's
Speaker 1: shocking at this whole pro wrestling thing, and uh, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. I mean, he they did the magin Mania,
Speaker 1: him and the Miss had a breakup afterwards, which I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe they had a breakup because you know, as
Speaker 1: we talked about the entire point of that WrestleMania program,
Speaker 1: I might I don't know if it was written into
Speaker 1: his contract or what, but it was like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get you over the baby face when this whole thing
Speaker 1: is done, and people do not want to cheer Logan Paul,
Speaker 1: and they they did the angle and they had Miss
Speaker 1: turn on him and he still got booed and uh.
Speaker 1: And then of course on on Rama and A Miss
Speaker 1: talked about how he was going to be teaming up
Speaker 1: with Logan Paul and they were going to win the
Speaker 1: tag team Pedals together, and they even asked, like in storyline,
Speaker 1: they asked him and didn't you turn on this guy?
Speaker 1: And so he had to come up with this cocka
Speaker 1: made me excuse about how he's trying to teach this
Speaker 1: guy a lesson. So I presume they're just gonna with
Speaker 1: some water into the bridge and they'll they'll be a
Speaker 1: heel tag team together, but maybe not. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a baby face. All I know is,
Speaker 1: you know he's better than you know. I don't want
Speaker 1: to throw poort Zion Quinn under the bus, but he's
Speaker 1: multitudes multitudes above Zion Quinn for example, and many in
Speaker 1: n x T. So how do you think he looks
Speaker 1: in a suit? Though? Well, you know he's tall, he's
Speaker 1: a handsome man. I'm sure he looks fine in a suit. Well.
Speaker 1: This is also to the unabashedly new era of w
Speaker 1: w E, where you don't even have to think about
Speaker 1: will there be what celebrit he is going to be there?
Speaker 1: I guess that's the question because as far as a
Speaker 1: celebrity appearing at these tent pole events, man, they're gonna
Speaker 1: go with it. There's only so many names you can
Speaker 1: call back on from the past anymore. But you can
Speaker 1: grab somebody who's in pop culture and is friendly with you.
Speaker 1: And we see it with Baron Corbin and Pat McAfee.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of people on that roster who
Speaker 1: are not Pat McAfee. But what can get the most
Speaker 1: attention for them? One on one match between Baron Corbyan
Speaker 1: and Pat McAfee. Sure, you know that's gonna dominate his
Speaker 1: show the next day, which gets a huge amount of listeners.
Speaker 1: You take care of that aspect of things. You have
Speaker 1: the miss and Logan Paul out there doing whatever they're
Speaker 1: gonna do that gets covered on thee heard Ms Bragg
Speaker 1: about being on the Today Show or Good Morning America
Speaker 1: or whatever he was going to be on last week.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of what you're gonna get, you know,
Speaker 1: is anybody that they are friendly with, have more of
Speaker 1: those people end up on the show. Any Tyson Fury
Speaker 1: appearance you can get and anything like that. I'm sure
Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot more of this in
Speaker 1: the next in the near future, that's for sure. Man.
Speaker 1: I forgot to hit the record button at the beginning
Speaker 1: of that segment right there, So everybody listening to audio,
Speaker 1: you'll never get to hear my my social media rant
Speaker 1: that I went. You can get it from probably all
Speaker 1: they're probably all thankful who is byline not recording this either,
Speaker 1: that's how bad things have been. They just decided to
Speaker 1: burn everything either or not recorded. They got to re
Speaker 1: air the show at a p m. Eastern time, five Pacific. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we can get it from them. I am still in
Speaker 1: vacation mode. That that's part of the problem right here.
Speaker 1: And then and then somebody was like, you're following my
Speaker 1: non wrestling fan girlfriend on Instagram. Don't even get me
Speaker 1: started on this Instagram thing. I've actively followed about fifty
Speaker 1: people in my life on Instagram, Yet somehow I have
Speaker 1: I I follow like four thousand people. Yet somehow, somehow
Speaker 1: I don't even like God bless you? Are you following
Speaker 1: the Keita lines. I don't want to say this because
Speaker 1: you know I might insult people, But about thirty nine
Speaker 1: fifty of you, I have no idea who you are,
Speaker 1: and I don't know I'm fault and you're those are
Speaker 1: just the people that work for the website. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you're one of those people I'm following, I do
Speaker 1: know you. What about their girlfriend? Of course I know
Speaker 1: everyone I'm following, if you're listening, But the other I
Speaker 1: have no idea who you are? You we like you
Speaker 1: the most? You right you are? By the way, are
Speaker 1: you better when I was gone? Yes? Already have reviewed
Speaker 1: n x T. You know how piste off I am.
Speaker 1: I don't know what what goons Squad puts together. The
Speaker 1: shorts to be put up on the YouTube site. But
Speaker 1: like I know, I would drive them nuts by doing
Speaker 1: a segment and spreading it out over like you know,
Speaker 1: the twelve and the fourteen minute segment. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Try to get all of the review in one segment.
Speaker 1: That way, it's easier to be uploaded on YouTube. And
Speaker 1: you know, I suffered through that show and save the
Speaker 1: whole last long segment for n x D, and they
Speaker 1: didn't make that one of the specials to put up
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I felt insulted and hurts. Why don't you
Speaker 1: just watch the show? I did. I watched the whole
Speaker 1: damn show into the whole fourteen minute review in the
Speaker 1: last segment of yesterday's show. Thankfully he didn't have to
Speaker 1: be done by phone. I see, Well, did you mention
Speaker 1: that two times? Did you listen to this show? Did
Speaker 1: you mention did you mentioned two times? Has been murdered? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was murdered. He thinks he thinks he sleeps with
Speaker 1: the fish. Listen, he could swim. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know anything about anything, but he didn't something about something.
Speaker 1: He didn't just dive off the bridge, dude, He probably
Speaker 1: had concrete blocks on his feet. He has thrown off
Speaker 1: that bridge and he's dead. You don't they killed two times?
Speaker 1: That's a storyline. It's a big assumption to make. And
Speaker 1: I don't like what you're insinuating about. He was what
Speaker 1: I'm insinuating. Did you watch the show? Has been murdered? Okay,
Speaker 1: which man if I were him? Let me tell you
Speaker 1: the two people if I were there might be uh
Speaker 1: two times because he's been murdered. And also Zion Quinn
Speaker 1: because Apollo Cruise the future seer, he could see the future.
Speaker 1: He looked at the guy and goes, I don't think
Speaker 1: things are good for you. And I had just seen
Speaker 1: his match with Sanga, and I agreed back them up
Speaker 1: with Blood and Guts Observer Live in the show, Bryan
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Speaker 1: for some more news later. So this was the Blood
Speaker 1: and Guts show, and they opened up with Orange Cassidy
Speaker 1: and Ethan Page, which I thought was a great match.
Speaker 1: Was an all timer and this was not an all timer,
Speaker 1: but it was great. It was a great match, and Uh,
Speaker 1: we had an interference to the end with Dan Lambert
Speaker 1: and uh, you got the orange juice, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm very bitter about because something very similar happened to
Speaker 1: me when I wristled orange orange spat the juice and
Speaker 1: Lambert's face hit two orange punches on Ethan Page and
Speaker 1: then after trying the entire match, he finally body slammed
Speaker 1: him and pinned him. There were I think twelve thousand
Speaker 1: people in the building and it sounded like it and
Speaker 1: they were hot, and because there were two rings, uh,
Speaker 1: they had to kind of zoom the camera out to
Speaker 1: show both rings every now and then, which actually made
Speaker 1: you see how many people were in the building. For once,
Speaker 1: they didn't have two rings every week, so you can
Speaker 1: see the size of the crowd. Because usually, you know
Speaker 1: what it reminds me of David's always talking about how
Speaker 1: he's making the comparison about impact would have five people
Speaker 1: looked like two thousand and etcetera, etcetera. You haven't watched
Speaker 1: a UFC event. The UFC will have that lying camera, okay,
Speaker 1: and every now and then, usually during the main event,
Speaker 1: as uh, you know, Buffer is is doing the ring
Speaker 1: and trows, this flying camera will go back and it
Speaker 1: will show, like this giant panning shot of the entire building.
Speaker 1: You're like, holy smokes, there's a lot of people there.
Speaker 1: But aside from that, when you're actually watching the fights,
Speaker 1: it may as well be in the UFC Jim, I
Speaker 1: mean they darkened the building. They zoom in really tight
Speaker 1: on the cage. You could see like a row of
Speaker 1: ringside and maybe a couple of people behind, and that's it.
Speaker 1: And that's like of the show looks like that, except
Speaker 1: every now and then when they decided to zoom back
Speaker 1: and show you this entire sold out crazy crowd when
Speaker 1: there's a knockout, they'll show the big crowd of everybody
Speaker 1: going crazy. But they kind of shoot of the show
Speaker 1: the same way. You can't see how many people are there.
Speaker 1: So anyway they need to get uh more shots like
Speaker 1: UFC does, maybe after a match or just that big
Speaker 1: crazy wild But anyway, there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: there and they were allowed they neatly to utilize the
Speaker 1: jib beggter. There is what you're saying, swing that crane
Speaker 1: around and getting going whatever it's called. We had a
Speaker 1: Christian promo and this dude comes out and he is
Speaker 1: just he's being booed out of the building like they're
Speaker 1: not even letting this guy talk. And when he finally talks,
Speaker 1: he explains that I was told to come out here
Speaker 1: and apologize for my comments last week, particularly the comments
Speaker 1: I made about Jungle boys father, and he says, Jungle Boy,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that You're entire family isn't dead. And man,
Speaker 1: this crowd just like, I'll talk more about this. It's
Speaker 1: it's the same feeling I had about this last week.
Speaker 1: So ill when I have more time tonight with Vinnie,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about it more. But then he then he adds, actually,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want Jungle Boy's mother to
Speaker 1: be dead. And I wanted to call me, and he's
Speaker 1: just he's getting so much heat, and he says, you know,
Speaker 1: I was advertised for a match, but it wasn't a
Speaker 1: match with me. It's a match with this person. And
Speaker 1: and Luca Source has got a brand new entrance. He
Speaker 1: is now Evil Luca Saurus. He's the douche Saurus and
Speaker 1: he comes out for a match with Sir Pentaco. Can
Speaker 1: I say that, Tom, If not, I apologize, I won't
Speaker 1: do it again. But anyway, he comes out for a
Speaker 1: match with s Pentaco. He kills his poor bloke, and
Speaker 1: then he takes him outside and he choked, slams him
Speaker 1: on the floor and kills him again. And he is
Speaker 1: an evil, evil dinosaur, which is a great tie in,
Speaker 1: by the way, for this Jurassic part because those dinosaurs,
Speaker 1: I don't think they were baby faces. I guess it
Speaker 1: depends on who they ate, right, And we had Scorpio
Speaker 1: Sky and Wardlow. This was a weird segment because they
Speaker 1: actually set up like or logos. I'll go through everyone
Speaker 1: you want to to get to you, and then Scorpio
Speaker 1: goes all right, well, let's rustle next week for the title.
Speaker 1: I was like, that was easy. So we have a
Speaker 1: street fight next week for the title. FTR and Dan
Speaker 1: Housing beat the gun Club and Max Castor. When Anthony
Speaker 1: Bones jumped out of the wheelchair because he's no longer injured,
Speaker 1: he tried to use the crutch, he accidentally hit one
Speaker 1: of the behind boys and they got pinned by Dan Housing.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I can meet being very careful
Speaker 1: about my language on this because of what happened earlier
Speaker 1: this week. So anyway, then there's a pinfall and then
Speaker 1: the storyline afterwards is Billy Gunn like all the boys
Speaker 1: and and Dan Housing and uh ftr. They're all having
Speaker 1: this big argument Max Castor Anthony Bones, and Billy shoves
Speaker 1: down his son because he sees Castor and Bones they're
Speaker 1: they're more like a son to him. You know, I
Speaker 1: was looking for sons. By the way, as Christian. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of ways they could go with all of this,
Speaker 1: but I expect it's probably gonna end up being a
Speaker 1: swerve and all the guns will turn on h Castor
Speaker 1: and and they end up going to baby Face. They
Speaker 1: claimed we had j Lethal and Son Jade. I think
Speaker 1: the main event of death before the sonor whatere. The
Speaker 1: main events is going to be Jay Lethal versus am
Speaker 1: Ojo for the TV title, which should be good, I
Speaker 1: would hope. So Jade Cardill beat Layla Gray. This is
Speaker 1: a very complicated segment, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: what happened is Jade beater and then she claimed that
Speaker 1: they at issued an open challenge and nobody except Layla
Speaker 1: Gray accepted and which makes the baby Faces all look
Speaker 1: like geeks. But then it turns out that Layla Gray
Speaker 1: is actually in on all of this and she helps
Speaker 1: beat up the baby Faces. So saidially, what happened was
Speaker 1: Stokely was lying. They they issue the open challenge, Layla
Speaker 1: just happened to immediately accept, icing out the other baby Faces,
Speaker 1: and then she turned on the baby Faces when they
Speaker 1: ran out because Stokely is trying to recruit her, I
Speaker 1: guess as a batty, although I don't know if she signed,
Speaker 1: and they kind of shunned her afterwards, so this may
Speaker 1: have just been a you know, one time angle leading
Speaker 1: to something more. Then we had the main event, Blood
Speaker 1: Guts Moxley, Claudio Wheeler, Eddie Santana Ortiz versus Jericho, Sammy Hagar, Garcia,
Speaker 1: Matt Menard and Angelo Parker. And what a match, Holy smokes.
Speaker 1: Everything you would expect from a match like this. They
Speaker 1: did at wargame style. Six guys on each team, once
Speaker 1: all twelve round the ring. The what is not called
Speaker 1: a match beyond began and uh, it's funny, you should
Speaker 1: be able to call it anyway. So they did all
Speaker 1: the stuff they had glass they had realize it was
Speaker 1: two separate matches. Anybody realized that and not really? And
Speaker 1: then Moxley, remember how he talked about I think Moxley
Speaker 1: just travels around with a bag of blades. Well, this
Speaker 1: bloke is just cutting dudes left and right. I think
Speaker 1: he cut everybody who bled in this match. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I mean he was just running rampant
Speaker 1: in there, and everybody's bleeding. And Uh, finally, first, uh
Speaker 1: Tie beats up the ref, she opens the door. Jericho
Speaker 1: starts climbing at the top of the cage. We have
Speaker 1: Jericho on top, we have Sammy on top of the cage,
Speaker 1: we have Kingston on top of the cage, and eventually
Speaker 1: Claudio ends up on top of the cage. Sammy gets
Speaker 1: thrown off the cage through a table, so he's dead.
Speaker 1: Then it's uh so we got Matt Manard also climbed up.
Speaker 1: So the big the whole shebang at the end is uh,
Speaker 1: Eddie Kingston gets Jericho in the stretch plum and uh
Speaker 1: he's trying to submit him, just desperately trying to end
Speaker 1: this match and win and submit Chris Jericho. But at
Speaker 1: the exact same time, Uh, Claudio has got Matt in
Speaker 1: the sharpshooter, and Matt submits first. So even though Eddie
Speaker 1: has one, like mutant Mike Slerpin, even though Eddie has one,
Speaker 1: he's furious that he had the chance to actually win
Speaker 1: the match and submit Jericho, but Claudio submitted Matt first,
Speaker 1: and so Eddie already hates Claudio, now he really hates
Speaker 1: this guy. Claudio is like, bro, we won, we won
Speaker 1: the match, and he goes for the fist bump, and
Speaker 1: you could see that, like Eddie's really disappointed. He's kind
Speaker 1: of still, you know, happy that they won. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to lose, but he's still upset. So they're doing
Speaker 1: a a build here towards uh Eddie versus Claudio that
Speaker 1: will explode at some point. And uh, I thought the
Speaker 1: match was for what it was. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're a fan of blood and guts or not, listener,
Speaker 1: dear listener, but for what it was, it was a great,
Speaker 1: great blood and guts match and uh, everything that you
Speaker 1: expect they gave you, and a good finish at the
Speaker 1: end which plays into multiple storylines. So I thought it
Speaker 1: was I thought was an outstanding show. Quite frankly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a little satisfying victory with the good guys winning.
Speaker 1: But this Eddie Kingston Claudio thing that stretches back years
Speaker 1: and years that's going to play itself out more so
Speaker 1: we have something coming from this which is good. Let's
Speaker 1: take it back to the beginning of the show. Though
Speaker 1: sometimes the simplest things how old school. For as many
Speaker 1: old school guys has hate Orange Cassidy, maybe even some
Speaker 1: of them they don't like Ethan Page. That match working
Speaker 1: towards a body slam, which ended up being the finish,
Speaker 1: was awesome and that shouldn't be forgotten about on a
Speaker 1: night that obviously he's going to be dominated by people
Speaker 1: remembering blood and guts. Same thing with Christian. I know
Speaker 1: some people thought it was too low of a blow
Speaker 1: last week when he mentioned that Joe Boy's father was dead,
Speaker 1: but it felt to me context is everything WW tends
Speaker 1: to look and I can understand it's touchy for anybody,
Speaker 1: but it seemed to be last week Christian was building
Speaker 1: to that and the way he was building that crowd
Speaker 1: and the way the crowd was going with him like
Speaker 1: to me that that line was coming, and I think
Speaker 1: in the context of what it was, he got the OO.
Speaker 1: It got people really after Christian, and once again this
Speaker 1: week he shows how good he is. Remember when he
Speaker 1: had the dollar bet with Chris Jericho about the date
Speaker 1: with Trish and then they have the Magic Mania and
Speaker 1: Christian turns on Jericho and the swerve goes completely opposite
Speaker 1: of the way people thought it was gonna go. And
Speaker 1: he has the kiss with Truition and it's just nasty,
Speaker 1: and it just he was at the height of his
Speaker 1: great sliminess. That's what this feels like. He is so good.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what you can do with Lucasaurus,
Speaker 1: but at least they got a little a bit of
Speaker 1: a different spin on them, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: I got them on with more Observer Live by the show.
Speaker 1: Bran Albert is here Wrestling Observer Live Mix Ember BB
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Speaker 1: text us, what are your thoughts on blood and guts
Speaker 1: everything else? Four to five seven eight zero seven five
Speaker 1: six six. That is four to five seven eight zero seven,
Speaker 1: five six six Brian at Wrestling Observer dot com, at
Speaker 1: Brian Alvarez on at WITA and some other quick news
Speaker 1: notes here. N X T ratings five seventy five, down
Speaker 1: ten percent from last week point one one in eighteen
Speaker 1: forty two on cable, So whatever bump they got, they
Speaker 1: got a big bump last week. Actually, as a result
Speaker 1: of I presume everything going on with Vince. They got
Speaker 1: plugged on every single new show you can think of.
Speaker 1: They had a great SmackDown number, a great n x
Speaker 1: T number, a great Raw number. This week we had
Speaker 1: another great Raw number because of John Cena, but then
Speaker 1: n XT back to uh point one one. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how SmackDown does on Friday. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they have anything for SmackDown where they have on SmackDown Friday.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing they've announced is everybody that's
Speaker 1: going to be in the Money in the Bank. Yea,
Speaker 1: the Summit. There's a women's Money in the Bank Summit,
Speaker 1: whatever the heck that means. They've also got new Japan
Speaker 1: Bowed official for Rick Flair's Last Match, Clark Connors our
Speaker 1: main man, Clark, we'll be facing rend Arita July one.
Speaker 1: So the lineup thus far for the show called Rick
Speaker 1: Flair's Last Match as Clarke Connors, rend Arita, Killer Cross
Speaker 1: versus Davy Boys Smith Jr. That'll be a club in one.
Speaker 1: Davy Richards and Needdie Edwards versus the Motor City machine Guns,
Speaker 1: which should be awesome. Jordan Grace versus Diana Parazzo and
Speaker 1: Rachel Eldering in a three way for the Impact Knockouts Championship.
Speaker 1: I believe the titles on the line. Titles may not
Speaker 1: pay on the line for these matches, but these matches
Speaker 1: are happening. Josh Alexander against Jacob Fattoo and actually yes,
Speaker 1: those are both title matches. And then the main event
Speaker 1: will be the main event of Rick Flair's last match.
Speaker 1: Everybody will be Rick Flair's last match. What is it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. They haven't announced it yet. We just
Speaker 1: know it will be Rick Flair's last match. They haven't
Speaker 1: announced it. We don't know what it is. I just
Speaker 1: I want you to now try to take off your
Speaker 1: shirt and say the shirt is too tight and then
Speaker 1: just uh, well, after vacation it is too tight. Lex
Speaker 1: what the hecks a match? Didn't they half announced it
Speaker 1: like months ago. It's gonna be like, uh, well, Flair
Speaker 1: and FTR versus The rock and Rolls and somebody else
Speaker 1: Ricky Steam. Now, I mean you can't just announce it
Speaker 1: will be Rick Flair and FTR versus The rock and
Speaker 1: Rolls in a mystery partner that was like totally off
Speaker 1: the table. She's like he's gonna have a wrestling match
Speaker 1: his last one. Buy your tickets now, everybody, Well that's
Speaker 1: the thing now that I mean, is it going to
Speaker 1: be a one on one now with somebody? Are they
Speaker 1: trying to figure that out? Is it? Well, they're trying
Speaker 1: to figure something out because they haven't announced the match yet. Well,
Speaker 1: my question is because if you look at those matches
Speaker 1: on paper, you take any of those matches and you
Speaker 1: go that, well, that's pretty good. And if you add
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Express against FTR for the second
Speaker 1: time around, not being involved in the Flair match, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's another nice addition to that card. So whethern't wonder
Speaker 1: if they're still gonna be on it or not. This
Speaker 1: person says, maybe we'll find only see Rick Flair versus
Speaker 1: a broom. I don't know. I was close. If you
Speaker 1: ever watch one of those Rufus Jones matches, Ellen Angels
Speaker 1: done with a w Well, his contract expired, he's on
Speaker 1: a he's they've got a per show deal. So if
Speaker 1: they want to use him and he wants to do it,
Speaker 1: he can. Yeah. I reported that. You reported that because
Speaker 1: that's what was reported on the front page of the site. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I reported that. So that's how it works. People.
Speaker 1: If Brian actually says it and says he's reporting it,
Speaker 1: then you can actually report it as buying. Brian alva
Speaker 1: As is reporting its twenty four years old, he says,
Speaker 1: is of June my contract it's expired. I'm nothing but
Speaker 1: grateful for the two years I spent there. I love
Speaker 1: a w was is the best place ever to work.
Speaker 1: Got to wrestle some of the best wrestlers in the
Speaker 1: world on a weekly basis, as well as traveled some
Speaker 1: of the most amazing cities meet some of the best
Speaker 1: fans in the world. No hard feelings between myself and
Speaker 1: a w R. Tony Khan had a great time in
Speaker 1: a w would have loved to have stayed. But I'm
Speaker 1: extremely excited from future in pro wrestling, and he says
Speaker 1: he's gonna work as many towns as he can, meet
Speaker 1: as many fans as he can, wrestle as much as
Speaker 1: he can. So a lot of people have asked like, well,
Speaker 1: couldn't you do that before? Well, yeah, he could have,
Speaker 1: But I think I don't know exactly how it works.
Speaker 1: But my presumption is that if you're under contract, let's
Speaker 1: say that Defy wants to use Alan Angels, okay, and
Speaker 1: he was, and he was signed to a W. My
Speaker 1: presumption is that it would cost X amount of money
Speaker 1: to get him through a W. But if he's no
Speaker 1: longer with A then they can negotiate directly with Alan Angels.
Speaker 1: And if the guy wants to come in and work
Speaker 1: for bucks because he wants experience, he can do that fee.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I don't know if you'd
Speaker 1: call it a booker's fee, I don't know how it works.
Speaker 1: But my presumption is my presumption is he the amount
Speaker 1: of money you would need to book Ellen Angels when
Speaker 1: he was under a W contract was likely more than
Speaker 1: Alan Angel is going to charge now that he's not
Speaker 1: under a W contract and working a per show deal,
Speaker 1: which means he probably will get far more bookings. That's
Speaker 1: that's what I presume is going on here. If I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm welcome to be corrected. But I think that's why
Speaker 1: you know, people are asking, well, why did you have
Speaker 1: to quit to do indies when you could do indies
Speaker 1: and not quit, But like, you know, why couldn't you
Speaker 1: do that when you were under contract? So well, it's
Speaker 1: also I think a piece of mind thing as well too,
Speaker 1: because obviously you know John Moxley, if he has James
Speaker 1: to go to g c W wherever he's going to
Speaker 1: take it. And but if you're an Alan Angels, you know,
Speaker 1: say you get hurt in a beyond ring, or say
Speaker 1: you get hurt in a defy ring or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you know, then you you screw up any chance or
Speaker 1: possibility you may have on a W on national TV.
Speaker 1: And I know people would say, well he wasn't on
Speaker 1: national TV. Well, you never know when you're gonna get
Speaker 1: the call. You know, this guy who's twenty four years
Speaker 1: old who ended up making it on the national TV
Speaker 1: at a very early time in his career, So you
Speaker 1: never know how these things are actually ultimately going to work.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if you know what the limitations
Speaker 1: were for for him, but I think that probably plays
Speaker 1: somewhat into people's minds that you don't want to go
Speaker 1: out there. Remember Matt's warner. I mean, he did all
Speaker 1: that fighting to get out of his MLW contract. There
Speaker 1: was all that big rigamarole, and then you know, immediately
Speaker 1: after that or not long after that, he breaks his
Speaker 1: leg and it's like, well, if he was going to
Speaker 1: sign with a w or go somewhere, and now he's
Speaker 1: lost that chance for a little bit. So you never
Speaker 1: know what's going through somebody's mind. Well, yeah, thing is
Speaker 1: Allen Angels four. Okay, I'm I'm I'm forty seven. Right now.
Speaker 1: If I if I were offered a deal to make
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars a year fifty thou dollars a
Speaker 1: year and never wrestle, hey, let's do it. But if
Speaker 1: you're twenty four, it's like, bro, I'll take the same
Speaker 1: money or even a little bit less. Just get me
Speaker 1: out there twice a weekend so that I can really
Speaker 1: get better at this whole wrestling thing, so that I can,
Speaker 1: you know, make more money at some point in my
Speaker 1: career with some company. So I presume that's that's similar
Speaker 1: to h what's going on here? Can I report that? No?
Speaker 1: Of course not, I will not. I will not. I
Speaker 1: will not sign anywhere for fifty dollars kidding me? Right,
Speaker 1: net worth is ten twelve million, you know what I am?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a deca millionaire. That's what they call him, right,
Speaker 1: deca millionaire, dec a millionaire. No, I'm not gonna quit everything,
Speaker 1: just a wrestle for not wrestle for fifty a year now. Christian,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, that guy is all up in
Speaker 1: this idea of working no dates. Well, he's work at dates,
Speaker 1: but he's not wrestling all over that that catchphrase that
Speaker 1: he had outwork everybody? What does that mean? See he
Speaker 1: outworked everybody? I like it. Alright, let's uh, let's see
Speaker 1: what we got here. I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: intentional or not. It says here, but Eddie winning against
Speaker 1: Jericho only for things to spiral worse and worse and
Speaker 1: to end in a blood guts match where he doesn't
Speaker 1: get to win personally but as a team courtesy of
Speaker 1: a long hated rival is great storytelling. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of great storytelling, but people like
Speaker 1: to imagine that they don't have good storyline and that
Speaker 1: w w E has the best storytelling, which is preposterously.
Speaker 1: They both sometimes have pretty crappy stuff that be far
Speaker 1: more often. But let me say something though, Okay, because
Speaker 1: I want people to get mad about me not saying
Speaker 1: that w w E has the greatest storytelling. W w
Speaker 1: e s storytelling largely, absolutely completely totally sucks, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear an argument, okay, And the reason
Speaker 1: for that is because Vince change, you want to make
Speaker 1: a list of all of the things that have started
Speaker 1: and stopped and gone absolutely nowhere. And I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: thousands thousands of them in probably a two year period.
Speaker 1: But you know what, they are very very good at
Speaker 1: after four weeks of whatever happens happens. The people that
Speaker 1: put the video packages together, their job is to create
Speaker 1: a coherent story out of this nonsense. Those people do
Speaker 1: a fantastic job. And that's why when they did that
Speaker 1: poll about which you know, which company has better storytelling?
Speaker 1: You know when I when I saw that poll, I
Speaker 1: was like, there's gonna be a landslide, but they had
Speaker 1: turned out it was not a landslide at all. There
Speaker 1: were a large number of people who claimed, and granted
Speaker 1: this is a claim, they claimed they watched w W
Speaker 1: and a W and they believe that w W WE
Speaker 1: had better storytelling. And I was just like, how could
Speaker 1: you claim that? Like there's no consistency to anything they do, ever,
Speaker 1: with very very rare exceptions. And I think the answer
Speaker 1: was because these people who I tell you right now,
Speaker 1: whoever they are, they're underpaid. They do such a great job,
Speaker 1: take a four weeks of nonsense and putting it together
Speaker 1: into that video package that you have to sit through
Speaker 1: on every pay per view telling you what the storyline is.
Speaker 1: That's why, because you know, Dave noted, what was the
Speaker 1: recap of Forbidden Door on a W last night? There
Speaker 1: wasn't one. There was no recap of anything that happened
Speaker 1: on Forbidden Door. They just moved on to the next show.
Speaker 1: And if you don't pay close attention, you'll miss things. Dude,
Speaker 1: I miss things on every show because I get feedback
Speaker 1: from people saying, Dude, you miss this, You miss that.
Speaker 1: You didn't even notice this, You didn't even notice that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on, and if you
Speaker 1: pay very very close attention, there is very very deep,
Speaker 1: intricate storytelling in a w But if you don't pay attention,
Speaker 1: you don't notice it, and you just watch these w
Speaker 1: W a video pactually go man, they're way better. But Brian,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, it depends on what eyes you're watching,
Speaker 1: you're wrestling with, and what you want to take out
Speaker 1: of it. For those people that look at wrestling like
Speaker 1: they look at their music, is an escape. When a
Speaker 1: top forties song comes on, or a sitcom that does
Speaker 1: not have a linear storyline through it and just kind
Speaker 1: of bounces around, and that doesn't bother people, you know,
Speaker 1: as long as I know this person and this makes
Speaker 1: me entertained, like that's they've been doing this now for
Speaker 1: in Vince Junior's world, for forty years of training their audience.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people don't care about this long,
Speaker 1: intricate psychological storyline with callbacks to this and and to
Speaker 1: this match and that match, and you gotta remember what
Speaker 1: happened in this match, and that's what makes this extra special.
Speaker 1: They're not watching for that if they've been watching for
Speaker 1: a far more simplistic reason, or that's just not what
Speaker 1: they they want out of their sports entertainment. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's a happier medium sometimes between a W
Speaker 1: and w w E, but it's very difficult to get
Speaker 1: that on the national stage, and I don't think we
Speaker 1: are going to get one for a long long time.
Speaker 1: You know, bring up Honor included in that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll see, but it's either w E style wrestling for
Speaker 1: the most part, or what a W gives you. And again,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like when people are arguing online, it's like
Speaker 1: you're arguing apples and oranges. It's both fruit, but you're
Speaker 1: throwing these things at each other and they're completely different. First,
Speaker 1: it's according to an interview he did with a Fight Vote,
Speaker 1: Alan Angels turned down the per appearance deal, So I
Speaker 1: guess he's just a totally free agent. Is that what
Speaker 1: Stuke Grayson did as well? Is that with some of
Speaker 1: the debate over the money or whatever it was going
Speaker 1: to be. But I mean, again, twenty four years old,
Speaker 1: wrestling is an amazing business where sometimes you start off.
Speaker 1: If you got the right look, the right things break
Speaker 1: right for you, you get huge potential. Other people like
Speaker 1: Eddie Kinkson takes them a long time, but persistence is key.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of places out there to work streaming wise,
Speaker 1: keep your name out there. I'm sure it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I got a moment Observer Live in the show. Brian
Speaker 1: Albert is here Wrestling Observer Live mixumbur BV also Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer dot Com. Surse It says only disappointment from Blood
Speaker 1: Guts was no one was set on fire. Now, before
Speaker 1: you just go, well what an idiot this guy? As
Speaker 1: he does say he thought Jericho throwing fireballs was leading
Speaker 1: to a payoff. Well, that could still happen down the line.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you safely do that payoff. I
Speaker 1: think the payoff is not someone getting lit on fire,
Speaker 1: but just the Wizard gets a fireball in his face
Speaker 1: from somebody whoever that ends up being in the end.
Speaker 1: But if you if you want to hear more about
Speaker 1: n x T two point oh, which sadly I was
Speaker 1: unable to recap as I was traveling yesterday, if you
Speaker 1: would like to hear more well, and of course a
Speaker 1: w blood guts. It'll be the brunt of Viti show tonight.
Speaker 1: We spend night eighty minutes recapping both shows, and uh,
Speaker 1: tonight only the show is delayed thirty minutes. It'll be
Speaker 1: nine Pacific twelve thirty Stern, what's so funny? Why do
Speaker 1: you always have to laugh at everything? Because this has
Speaker 1: not been ironed out with Vinny yet and you're still
Speaker 1: trying to ban handle. I told Jared and old Vinny
Speaker 1: it's done. Did he watch the next day? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: want to know what he thought about the dream sequence
Speaker 1: of Wendy ch oh Bro. We'll talk about all that tonight.
Speaker 1: Annial two Dimes being killed allegedly possibly, we don't know that.
Speaker 1: And again I think you are maybe uh due a
Speaker 1: year from now. This guy better come out at that
Speaker 1: lake and pull a fish out of his trunks. You
Speaker 1: ever see Creep Show? Do you ever see the movie
Speaker 1: Creep Show? Remember when they killed Ted Dance and they
Speaker 1: bury him in the water, and then at the end
Speaker 1: he comes back to haunt the guy and he's got
Speaker 1: all the the the ivy or whatever it is all
Speaker 1: over him, all the swamp stuff all over him. That's
Speaker 1: how he needs to come back right out of the
Speaker 1: river with a dead fish that he's going to give
Speaker 1: to Tony D'Angelo if Italians were known to historically do so.
Speaker 1: All right, we gotta go. Dude's Jimminy Christmas. Shut up.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mike proutro out of there. Thank everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: for listening. We'll talk to you all again. Wrestling Observer Alive.
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