WEBVTT - AEW Blood and Guts/Logan Paul WWE

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. Ready, Ready,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>here on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every day,

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<v Speaker 1>mighty do Friday, New Pacific, three Eastern, Sunday three Pacific,

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<v Speaker 1>sixth Eastern. Well seracy on this show. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>means we have got this a e W blood and

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<v Speaker 1>guts show to talk about here today. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think of that match? Holy smokes, it was wild. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you all about it here today. But obviously, the

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<v Speaker 1>top story, which we actually don't have an update on today,

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<v Speaker 1>at least at this moment, is the situation with Santana.

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<v Speaker 1>Santana was injured during the match. He hit the ring,

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<v Speaker 1>did like three spots hitting here anaga, and his his

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<v Speaker 1>like his lower leg went one way, his upper leg

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<v Speaker 1>went another way, his foot went another way, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and he collapsed and he rolled to the apron and

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<v Speaker 1>he laid there for the entire rest of the match.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point I think he got to his feet

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<v Speaker 1>and he did like a quick he hit somebody or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. But then he was down and he

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<v Speaker 1>laid there and he did not move and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a knee injury of some sort. And the word that

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<v Speaker 1>I had heard last night was the doctor. You you

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<v Speaker 1>get an initial examination and then you've got to go

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<v Speaker 1>get the m r I. And based on the initial examination,

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<v Speaker 1>it was believed that he might have torn multiple ligaments

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<v Speaker 1>a c L, S, M c LS, whatever is in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he was scheduled to undergo an m r I.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, we can all hope for good news, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's probably going to be out a lengthy period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>So all the best to Santana. If we get an update,

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<v Speaker 1>we will let you know. But uh, presumably when he

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<v Speaker 1>gets everything figured out, he'll give it everybody an updates.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the big injury coming out of blood

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<v Speaker 1>and guts. And you know, we talked about all these

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<v Speaker 1>injuries and all of the crazy things, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some people talk about toning down and too much craziness.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did a year in Naga, that was it,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a year Naga and he destroyed his knee and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't even look like he did it wrong. So

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<v Speaker 1>things happened in wrestling, and uh, and that's it. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in the moments Tuck More Live back of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Bright nowbur is here Wrestling Observer Alive mixambur Vi also

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer dot Com. Yes, I am back, Thank god?

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<v Speaker 1>Right Mike? What happened yesterday? I have no idea. There

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<v Speaker 1>was an issue with the connection between your setup of

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<v Speaker 1>the Thaie line and the byelines Thaie line, and I

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<v Speaker 1>fed into your bye line and that was fine and

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<v Speaker 1>the show sounded fine if you were watching on video.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you were also watching on video, you saw

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<v Speaker 1>me with a phone in my hand because the radio

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<v Speaker 1>portion of the show, there was a connection issue. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea, but it was alleviated by the first

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<v Speaker 1>for first main segment, so everything worked out. Why Why

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<v Speaker 1>am I so high in my head so big compared

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<v Speaker 1>to yours? What's up with my camera? Who was messing

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<v Speaker 1>with my camera when I was gone? Did I grow?

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<v Speaker 1>You have ghosts in that house? Apparently they caused all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of having yesterday while you were on the road,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mike spittled while he was on the phone. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even want to know what that means. Spittled? What

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean? I don't know. Uh, we'll figure all

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<v Speaker 1>this out later. Am I are you adjusting your pants?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing right there? But uh, up down, up, dope,

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<v Speaker 1>I always up this high? Or what's going on? Good?

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<v Speaker 1>All of you listening on the radio, or like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is this idiot talking about? What I'm talking about is

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<v Speaker 1>Logan Paul YouTube and celebrity boxing superstar Logan Paul is

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<v Speaker 1>officially in her contract with the w w E. Paul

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<v Speaker 1>and Nelson News on Twitter and Instagram today writing that

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<v Speaker 1>quote he just signed with the w w E. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, by the way, this is a totally

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<v Speaker 1>just a totally different thing right here. But Dave, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>went on for like twenty five minutes about social media

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<v Speaker 1>last night how much it sucked, and uh, it does suck.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what's funny is I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>this today, how how different all of these different social

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<v Speaker 1>media platforms are. So I used Twitter every day largely

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<v Speaker 1>for business reasons. I tweet out, you know, when the

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<v Speaker 1>show is gonna be on, and this and that, and

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<v Speaker 1>every now and then I'll i'll quip. So then I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about I never east to go on Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have an Instagram, but I I almost never

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<v Speaker 1>ever go on either of those platforms, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it today. You ever notice it, like your

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook is just one giant, unending wall of everyone telling

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<v Speaker 1>you every horrible thing that has ever happened in their

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<v Speaker 1>lives and what horrible thing is happening today. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you go on Instagram, it's like every wonderful thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>happening to everybody in their lives and how great they

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<v Speaker 1>look and how cool their stuff is. It's like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bizarre when you think about it. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>can we have like a middle ground social media which

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<v Speaker 1>isn't like every horrible thing that happened to you, but

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<v Speaker 1>also not you know, complete bs about your imaginary life.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I got off on that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's because because Logan Paul's is social media

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<v Speaker 1>stars sick of looking at Brazilian but lets fill up

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<v Speaker 1>your I G timeline. So he signed a multi year deal,

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<v Speaker 1>took Pete had multiple events per year. We this is

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<v Speaker 1>not official, but the the I was told it was

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<v Speaker 1>a three year deal. So he's gonna be around for

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<v Speaker 1>a while and he's gonna be doing a lot. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you watched if you watched WrestleMania, I mean he's

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<v Speaker 1>shocking at this whole pro wrestling thing, and uh, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see what happens. I mean, he they did the magin Mania,

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<v Speaker 1>him and the Miss had a breakup afterwards, which I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe they had a breakup because you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the entire point of that WrestleMania program,

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<v Speaker 1>I might I don't know if it was written into

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<v Speaker 1>his contract or what, but it was like, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get you over the baby face when this whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>is done, and people do not want to cheer Logan Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>and they they did the angle and they had Miss

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<v Speaker 1>turn on him and he still got booed and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course on on Rama and A Miss

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how he was going to be teaming up

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<v Speaker 1>with Logan Paul and they were going to win the

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<v Speaker 1>tag team Pedals together, and they even asked, like in storyline,

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<v Speaker 1>they asked him and didn't you turn on this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>And so he had to come up with this cocka

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<v Speaker 1>made me excuse about how he's trying to teach this

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<v Speaker 1>guy a lesson. So I presume they're just gonna with

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<v Speaker 1>some water into the bridge and they'll they'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>heel tag team together, but maybe not. I mean, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be a baby face. All I know is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know he's better than you know. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to throw poort Zion Quinn under the bus, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>multitudes multitudes above Zion Quinn for example, and many in

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<v Speaker 1>n x T. So how do you think he looks

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<v Speaker 1>in a suit? Though? Well, you know he's tall, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a handsome man. I'm sure he looks fine in a suit. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also to the unabashedly new era of w

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<v Speaker 1>w E, where you don't even have to think about

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<v Speaker 1>will there be what celebrit he is going to be there?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's the question because as far as a

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity appearing at these tent pole events, man, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go with it. There's only so many names you can

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<v Speaker 1>call back on from the past anymore. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>grab somebody who's in pop culture and is friendly with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And we see it with Baron Corbin and Pat McAfee.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a lot of people on that roster who

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<v Speaker 1>are not Pat McAfee. But what can get the most

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<v Speaker 1>attention for them? One on one match between Baron Corbyan

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<v Speaker 1>and Pat McAfee. Sure, you know that's gonna dominate his

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<v Speaker 1>show the next day, which gets a huge amount of listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>You take care of that aspect of things. You have

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<v Speaker 1>the miss and Logan Paul out there doing whatever they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do that gets covered on thee heard Ms Bragg

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<v Speaker 1>about being on the Today Show or Good Morning America

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever he was going to be on last week.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is kind of what you're gonna get, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is anybody that they are friendly with, have more of

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<v Speaker 1>those people end up on the show. Any Tyson Fury

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<v Speaker 1>appearance you can get and anything like that. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see a lot more of this in

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<v Speaker 1>the next in the near future, that's for sure. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot to hit the record button at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of that segment right there, So everybody listening to audio,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll never get to hear my my social media rant

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<v Speaker 1>that I went. You can get it from probably all

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably all thankful who is byline not recording this either,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how bad things have been. They just decided to

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<v Speaker 1>burn everything either or not recorded. They got to re

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<v Speaker 1>air the show at a p m. Eastern time, five Pacific. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we can get it from them. I am still in

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<v Speaker 1>vacation mode. That that's part of the problem right here.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then somebody was like, you're following my

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<v Speaker 1>non wrestling fan girlfriend on Instagram. Don't even get me

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<v Speaker 1>started on this Instagram thing. I've actively followed about fifty

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<v Speaker 1>people in my life on Instagram, Yet somehow I have

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<v Speaker 1>I I follow like four thousand people. Yet somehow, somehow

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even like God bless you? Are you following

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<v Speaker 1>the Keita lines. I don't want to say this because

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<v Speaker 1>you know I might insult people, But about thirty nine

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<v Speaker 1>fifty of you, I have no idea who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know I'm fault and you're those are

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<v Speaker 1>just the people that work for the website. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're one of those people I'm following, I do

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<v Speaker 1>know you. What about their girlfriend? Of course I know

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<v Speaker 1>everyone I'm following, if you're listening, But the other I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea who you are? You we like you

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<v Speaker 1>the most? You right you are? By the way, are

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<v Speaker 1>you better when I was gone? Yes? Already have reviewed

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<v Speaker 1>n x T. You know how piste off I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what what goons Squad puts together. The

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<v Speaker 1>shorts to be put up on the YouTube site. But

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<v Speaker 1>like I know, I would drive them nuts by doing

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<v Speaker 1>a segment and spreading it out over like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the twelve and the fourteen minute segment. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Try to get all of the review in one segment.

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<v Speaker 1>That way, it's easier to be uploaded on YouTube. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I suffered through that show and save the

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<v Speaker 1>whole last long segment for n x D, and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make that one of the specials to put up

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube. I felt insulted and hurts. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>just watch the show? I did. I watched the whole

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<v Speaker 1>damn show into the whole fourteen minute review in the

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<v Speaker 1>last segment of yesterday's show. Thankfully he didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be done by phone. I see, Well, did you mention

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<v Speaker 1>that two times? Did you listen to this show? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you mention did you mentioned two times? Has been murdered? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was murdered. He thinks he thinks he sleeps with

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<v Speaker 1>the fish. Listen, he could swim. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you know anything about anything, but he didn't something about something.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't just dive off the bridge, dude, He probably

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<v Speaker 1>had concrete blocks on his feet. He has thrown off

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<v Speaker 1>that bridge and he's dead. You don't they killed two times?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a storyline. It's a big assumption to make. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like what you're insinuating about. He was what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm insinuating. Did you watch the show? Has been murdered? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>which man if I were him? Let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>the two people if I were there might be uh

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<v Speaker 1>two times because he's been murdered. And also Zion Quinn

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<v Speaker 1>because Apollo Cruise the future seer, he could see the future.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked at the guy and goes, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>things are good for you. And I had just seen

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<v Speaker 1>his match with Sanga, and I agreed back them up

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<v Speaker 1>with Blood and Guts Observer Live in the show, Bryan

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<v Speaker 1>Newber is here Wrestling Observer Live, micembervid also Wrestling Observer

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Let's do a w and we'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>for some more news later. So this was the Blood

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<v Speaker 1>and Guts show, and they opened up with Orange Cassidy

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<v Speaker 1>and Ethan Page, which I thought was a great match.

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<v Speaker 1>Was an all timer and this was not an all timer,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was great. It was a great match, and Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we had an interference to the end with Dan Lambert

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you got the orange juice, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very bitter about because something very similar happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me when I wristled orange orange spat the juice and

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<v Speaker 1>Lambert's face hit two orange punches on Ethan Page and

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<v Speaker 1>then after trying the entire match, he finally body slammed

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<v Speaker 1>him and pinned him. There were I think twelve thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people in the building and it sounded like it and

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<v Speaker 1>they were hot, and because there were two rings, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to kind of zoom the camera out to

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<v Speaker 1>show both rings every now and then, which actually made

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<v Speaker 1>you see how many people were in the building. For once,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have two rings every week, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>see the size of the crowd. Because usually, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what it reminds me of David's always talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>he's making the comparison about impact would have five people

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<v Speaker 1>looked like two thousand and etcetera, etcetera. You haven't watched

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<v Speaker 1>a UFC event. The UFC will have that lying camera, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and every now and then, usually during the main event,

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<v Speaker 1>as uh, you know, Buffer is is doing the ring

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<v Speaker 1>and trows, this flying camera will go back and it

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<v Speaker 1>will show, like this giant panning shot of the entire building.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, holy smokes, there's a lot of people there.

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<v Speaker 1>But aside from that, when you're actually watching the fights,

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<v Speaker 1>it may as well be in the UFC Jim, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they darkened the building. They zoom in really tight

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<v Speaker 1>on the cage. You could see like a row of

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<v Speaker 1>ringside and maybe a couple of people behind, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's like of the show looks like that, except

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<v Speaker 1>every now and then when they decided to zoom back

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<v Speaker 1>and show you this entire sold out crazy crowd when

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<v Speaker 1>there's a knockout, they'll show the big crowd of everybody

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<v Speaker 1>going crazy. But they kind of shoot of the show

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. You can't see how many people are there.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway they need to get uh more shots like

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<v Speaker 1>UFC does, maybe after a match or just that big

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<v Speaker 1>crazy wild But anyway, there are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>there and they were allowed they neatly to utilize the

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<v Speaker 1>jib beggter. There is what you're saying, swing that crane

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<v Speaker 1>around and getting going whatever it's called. We had a

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<v Speaker 1>Christian promo and this dude comes out and he is

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<v Speaker 1>just he's being booed out of the building like they're

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<v Speaker 1>not even letting this guy talk. And when he finally talks,

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<v Speaker 1>he explains that I was told to come out here

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<v Speaker 1>and apologize for my comments last week, particularly the comments

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<v Speaker 1>I made about Jungle boys father, and he says, Jungle Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry that You're entire family isn't dead. And man,

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<v Speaker 1>this crowd just like, I'll talk more about this. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same feeling I had about this last week.

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<v Speaker 1>So ill when I have more time tonight with Vinnie,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about it more. But then he then he adds, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I don't want Jungle Boy's mother to

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<v Speaker 1>be dead. And I wanted to call me, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>just he's getting so much heat, and he says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was advertised for a match, but it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>match with me. It's a match with this person. And

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<v Speaker 1>and Luca Source has got a brand new entrance. He

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<v Speaker 1>is now Evil Luca Saurus. He's the douche Saurus and

0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.040
<v Speaker 1>he comes out for a match with Sir Pentaco. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I say that, Tom, If not, I apologize, I won't

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<v Speaker 1>do it again. But anyway, he comes out for a

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<v Speaker 1>match with s Pentaco. He kills his poor bloke, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he takes him outside and he choked, slams him

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor and kills him again. And he is

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<v Speaker 1>an evil, evil dinosaur, which is a great tie in,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, for this Jurassic part because those dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were baby faces. I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>depends on who they ate, right, And we had Scorpio

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<v Speaker 1>Sky and Wardlow. This was a weird segment because they

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<v Speaker 1>actually set up like or logos. I'll go through everyone

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<v Speaker 1>you want to to get to you, and then Scorpio

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<v Speaker 1>goes all right, well, let's rustle next week for the title.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, that was easy. So we have a

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<v Speaker 1>street fight next week for the title. FTR and Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Housing beat the gun Club and Max Castor. When Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Bones jumped out of the wheelchair because he's no longer injured,

0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.440
<v Speaker 1>he tried to use the crutch, he accidentally hit one

0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:23.320
<v Speaker 1>of the behind boys and they got pinned by Dan Housing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if I can meet being very careful

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<v Speaker 1>about my language on this because of what happened earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this week. So anyway, then there's a pinfall and then

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<v Speaker 1>the storyline afterwards is Billy Gunn like all the boys

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<v Speaker 1>and and Dan Housing and uh ftr. They're all having

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<v Speaker 1>this big argument Max Castor Anthony Bones, and Billy shoves

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<v Speaker 1>down his son because he sees Castor and Bones they're

0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.440
<v Speaker 1>they're more like a son to him. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking for sons. By the way, as Christian. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways they could go with all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I expect it's probably gonna end up being a

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<v Speaker 1>swerve and all the guns will turn on h Castor

0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.159
<v Speaker 1>and and they end up going to baby Face. They

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<v Speaker 1>claimed we had j Lethal and Son Jade. I think

0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the main event of death before the sonor whatere. The

0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.320
<v Speaker 1>main events is going to be Jay Lethal versus am

0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Ojo for the TV title, which should be good, I

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<v Speaker 1>would hope. So Jade Cardill beat Layla Gray. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a very complicated segment, but at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened is Jade beater and then she claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>they at issued an open challenge and nobody except Layla

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<v Speaker 1>Gray accepted and which makes the baby Faces all look

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<v Speaker 1>like geeks. But then it turns out that Layla Gray

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<v Speaker 1>is actually in on all of this and she helps

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<v Speaker 1>beat up the baby Faces. So saidially, what happened was

0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Stokely was lying. They they issue the open challenge, Layla

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<v Speaker 1>just happened to immediately accept, icing out the other baby Faces,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she turned on the baby Faces when they

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<v Speaker 1>ran out because Stokely is trying to recruit her, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess as a batty, although I don't know if she signed,

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<v Speaker 1>and they kind of shunned her afterwards, so this may

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<v Speaker 1>have just been a you know, one time angle leading

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<v Speaker 1>to something more. Then we had the main event, Blood

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<v Speaker 1>Guts Moxley, Claudio Wheeler, Eddie Santana Ortiz versus Jericho, Sammy Hagar, Garcia,

0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Matt Menard and Angelo Parker. And what a match, Holy smokes.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything you would expect from a match like this. They

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<v Speaker 1>did at wargame style. Six guys on each team, once

0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.800
<v Speaker 1>all twelve round the ring. The what is not called

0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:42.480
<v Speaker 1>a match beyond began and uh, it's funny, you should

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<v Speaker 1>be able to call it anyway. So they did all

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff they had glass they had realize it was

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<v Speaker 1>two separate matches. Anybody realized that and not really? And

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<v Speaker 1>then Moxley, remember how he talked about I think Moxley

0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:00.080
<v Speaker 1>just travels around with a bag of blades. Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>bloke is just cutting dudes left and right. I think

0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.520
<v Speaker 1>he cut everybody who bled in this match. I could

0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.760
<v Speaker 1>be wrong, but I mean he was just running rampant

0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:12.720
<v Speaker 1>in there, and everybody's bleeding. And Uh, finally, first, uh

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.919
<v Speaker 1>Tie beats up the ref, she opens the door. Jericho

0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.159
<v Speaker 1>starts climbing at the top of the cage. We have

0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Jericho on top, we have Sammy on top of the cage,

0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.400
<v Speaker 1>we have Kingston on top of the cage, and eventually

0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Claudio ends up on top of the cage. Sammy gets

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 1>thrown off the cage through a table, so he's dead.

0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.919
<v Speaker 1>Then it's uh so we got Matt Manard also climbed up.

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<v Speaker 1>So the big the whole shebang at the end is uh,

0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Eddie Kingston gets Jericho in the stretch plum and uh

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.280
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to submit him, just desperately trying to end

0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.040
<v Speaker 1>this match and win and submit Chris Jericho. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same time, Uh, Claudio has got Matt in

0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the sharpshooter, and Matt submits first. So even though Eddie

0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.520
<v Speaker 1>has one, like mutant Mike Slerpin, even though Eddie has one,

0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.240
<v Speaker 1>he's furious that he had the chance to actually win

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the match and submit Jericho, but Claudio submitted Matt first,

0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and so Eddie already hates Claudio, now he really hates

0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.679
<v Speaker 1>this guy. Claudio is like, bro, we won, we won

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the match, and he goes for the fist bump, and

0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you could see that, like Eddie's really disappointed. He's kind

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.560
<v Speaker 1>of still, you know, happy that they won. He didn't

0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.760
<v Speaker 1>want to lose, but he's still upset. So they're doing

0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.920
<v Speaker 1>a a build here towards uh Eddie versus Claudio that

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.040
<v Speaker 1>will explode at some point. And uh, I thought the

0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.520
<v Speaker 1>match was for what it was. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you're a fan of blood and guts or not, listener,

0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.119
<v Speaker 1>dear listener, but for what it was, it was a great,

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 1>great blood and guts match and uh, everything that you

0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.040
<v Speaker 1>expect they gave you, and a good finish at the

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 1>end which plays into multiple storylines. So I thought it

0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 1>was I thought was an outstanding show. Quite frankly, Yeah,

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.439
<v Speaker 1>it's a little satisfying victory with the good guys winning.

0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:11.679
<v Speaker 1>But this Eddie Kingston Claudio thing that stretches back years

0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and years that's going to play itself out more so

0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>we have something coming from this which is good. Let's

0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:20.760
<v Speaker 1>take it back to the beginning of the show. Though

0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:26.920
<v Speaker 1>sometimes the simplest things how old school. For as many

0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:31.320
<v Speaker 1>old school guys has hate Orange Cassidy, maybe even some

0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of them they don't like Ethan Page. That match working

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 1>towards a body slam, which ended up being the finish,

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:45.359
<v Speaker 1>was awesome and that shouldn't be forgotten about on a

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 1>night that obviously he's going to be dominated by people

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:53.040
<v Speaker 1>remembering blood and guts. Same thing with Christian. I know

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 1>some people thought it was too low of a blow

0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:01.440
<v Speaker 1>last week when he mentioned that Joe Boy's father was dead,

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:05.879
<v Speaker 1>but it felt to me context is everything WW tends

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 1>to look and I can understand it's touchy for anybody,

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.440
<v Speaker 1>but it seemed to be last week Christian was building

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<v Speaker 1>to that and the way he was building that crowd

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>and the way the crowd was going with him like

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.360
<v Speaker 1>to me that that line was coming, and I think

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.200
<v Speaker 1>in the context of what it was, he got the OO.

0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:28.040
<v Speaker 1>It got people really after Christian, and once again this

0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:33.119
<v Speaker 1>week he shows how good he is. Remember when he

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 1>had the dollar bet with Chris Jericho about the date

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.159
<v Speaker 1>with Trish and then they have the Magic Mania and

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Christian turns on Jericho and the swerve goes completely opposite

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:45.800
<v Speaker 1>of the way people thought it was gonna go. And

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>he has the kiss with Truition and it's just nasty,

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.080
<v Speaker 1>and it just he was at the height of his

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:56.160
<v Speaker 1>great sliminess. That's what this feels like. He is so good.

0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.359
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know what you can do with Lucasaurus,

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:00.280
<v Speaker 1>but at least they got a little a bit of

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 1>a different spin on them, so we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I got them on with more Observer Live by the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Bran Albert is here Wrestling Observer Live Mix Ember BB

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 1>also Wrestling Observer dot com. If you want to uh

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<v Speaker 1>text us, what are your thoughts on blood and guts

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<v Speaker 1>everything else? Four to five seven eight zero seven five

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<v Speaker 1>six six. That is four to five seven eight zero seven,

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<v Speaker 1>five six six Brian at Wrestling Observer dot com, at

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Alvarez on at WITA and some other quick news

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<v Speaker 1>notes here. N X T ratings five seventy five, down

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 1>ten percent from last week point one one in eighteen

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 1>forty two on cable, So whatever bump they got, they

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>got a big bump last week. Actually, as a result

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of I presume everything going on with Vince. They got

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:00.879
<v Speaker 1>plugged on every single new show you can think of.

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:03.920
<v Speaker 1>They had a great SmackDown number, a great n x

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.479
<v Speaker 1>T number, a great Raw number. This week we had

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.640
<v Speaker 1>another great Raw number because of John Cena, but then

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:14.360
<v Speaker 1>n XT back to uh point one one. So we'll

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>see how SmackDown does on Friday. I don't know if

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.919
<v Speaker 1>they have anything for SmackDown where they have on SmackDown Friday.

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I think the only thing they've announced is everybody that's

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 1>going to be in the Money in the Bank. Yea,

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the Summit. There's a women's Money in the Bank Summit,

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 1>whatever the heck that means. They've also got new Japan

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Bowed official for Rick Flair's Last Match, Clark Connors our

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:43.680
<v Speaker 1>main man, Clark, we'll be facing rend Arita July one.

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<v Speaker 1>So the lineup thus far for the show called Rick

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<v Speaker 1>Flair's Last Match as Clarke Connors, rend Arita, Killer Cross

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 1>versus Davy Boys Smith Jr. That'll be a club in one.

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Davy Richards and Needdie Edwards versus the Motor City machine Guns,

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>which should be awesome. Jordan Grace versus Diana Parazzo and

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Rachel Eldering in a three way for the Impact Knockouts Championship.

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I believe the titles on the line. Titles may not

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>pay on the line for these matches, but these matches

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>are happening. Josh Alexander against Jacob Fattoo and actually yes,

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>those are both title matches. And then the main event

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.120
<v Speaker 1>will be the main event of Rick Flair's last match.

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Everybody will be Rick Flair's last match. What is it?

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. They haven't announced it yet. We just

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>know it will be Rick Flair's last match. They haven't

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>announced it. We don't know what it is. I just

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:47.959
<v Speaker 1>I want you to now try to take off your

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 1>shirt and say the shirt is too tight and then

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>just uh, well, after vacation it is too tight. Lex

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:04.439
<v Speaker 1>what the hecks a match? Didn't they half announced it

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like months ago. It's gonna be like, uh, well, Flair

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and FTR versus The rock and Rolls and somebody else

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Ricky Steam. Now, I mean you can't just announce it

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 1>will be Rick Flair and FTR versus The rock and

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Rolls in a mystery partner that was like totally off

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>the table. She's like he's gonna have a wrestling match

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>his last one. Buy your tickets now, everybody, Well that's

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the thing now that I mean, is it going to

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>be a one on one now with somebody? Are they

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure that out? Is it? Well, they're trying

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>to figure something out because they haven't announced the match yet. Well,

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>my question is because if you look at those matches

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>on paper, you take any of those matches and you

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>go that, well, that's pretty good. And if you add

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the Rock and Roll Express against FTR for the second

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 1>time around, not being involved in the Flair match, I mean,

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>it's another nice addition to that card. So whethern't wonder

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>if they're still gonna be on it or not. This

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>person says, maybe we'll find only see Rick Flair versus

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a broom. I don't know. I was close. If you

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 1>ever watch one of those Rufus Jones matches, Ellen Angels

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>done with a w Well, his contract expired, he's on

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>a he's they've got a per show deal. So if

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:19.439
<v Speaker 1>they want to use him and he wants to do it,

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>he can. Yeah. I reported that. You reported that because

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>that's what was reported on the front page of the site. Yeah,

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>because I reported that. So that's how it works. People.

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>If Brian actually says it and says he's reporting it,

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 1>then you can actually report it as buying. Brian alva

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>As is reporting its twenty four years old, he says,

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>is of June my contract it's expired. I'm nothing but

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>grateful for the two years I spent there. I love

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>a w was is the best place ever to work.

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Got to wrestle some of the best wrestlers in the

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>world on a weekly basis, as well as traveled some

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>of the most amazing cities meet some of the best

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>fans in the world. No hard feelings between myself and

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a w R. Tony Khan had a great time in

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>a w would have loved to have stayed. But I'm

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>extremely excited from future in pro wrestling, and he says

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna work as many towns as he can, meet

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>as many fans as he can, wrestle as much as

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>he can. So a lot of people have asked like, well,

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't you do that before? Well, yeah, he could have,

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 1>But I think I don't know exactly how it works.

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But my presumption is that if you're under contract, let's

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>say that Defy wants to use Alan Angels, okay, and

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>he was, and he was signed to a W. My

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>presumption is that it would cost X amount of money

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>to get him through a W. But if he's no

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>longer with A then they can negotiate directly with Alan Angels.

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 1>And if the guy wants to come in and work

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>for bucks because he wants experience, he can do that fee.

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if I don't know if you'd

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 1>call it a booker's fee, I don't know how it works.

0:29:55.880 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>But my presumption is my presumption is he the amount

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>of money you would need to book Ellen Angels when

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>he was under a W contract was likely more than

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Alan Angel is going to charge now that he's not

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>under a W contract and working a per show deal,

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>which means he probably will get far more bookings. That's

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 1>that's what I presume is going on here. If I'm wrong,

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm welcome to be corrected. But I think that's why

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, people are asking, well, why did you have

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to quit to do indies when you could do indies

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and not quit, But like, you know, why couldn't you

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.479
<v Speaker 1>do that when you were under contract? So well, it's

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>also I think a piece of mind thing as well too,

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>because obviously you know John Moxley, if he has James

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>to go to g c W wherever he's going to

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>take it. And but if you're an Alan Angels, you know,

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>say you get hurt in a beyond ring, or say

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you get hurt in a defy ring or whatever it is,

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, then you you screw up any chance or

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>possibility you may have on a W on national TV.

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>And I know people would say, well he wasn't on

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>national TV. Well, you never know when you're gonna get

0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the call. You know, this guy who's twenty four years

0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>old who ended up making it on the national TV

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:04.959
<v Speaker 1>at a very early time in his career, So you

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>never know how these things are actually ultimately going to work.

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not sure if you know what the limitations

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>were for for him, but I think that probably plays

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>somewhat into people's minds that you don't want to go

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>out there. Remember Matt's warner. I mean, he did all

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that fighting to get out of his MLW contract. There

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>was all that big rigamarole, and then you know, immediately

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>after that or not long after that, he breaks his

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>leg and it's like, well, if he was going to

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>sign with a w or go somewhere, and now he's

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>lost that chance for a little bit. So you never

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>know what's going through somebody's mind. Well, yeah, thing is

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Allen Angels four. Okay, I'm I'm I'm forty seven. Right now.

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>If I if I were offered a deal to make

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 1>a hundred thousand dollars a year fifty thou dollars a

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>year and never wrestle, hey, let's do it. But if

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you're twenty four, it's like, bro, I'll take the same

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>money or even a little bit less. Just get me

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>out there twice a weekend so that I can really

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>get better at this whole wrestling thing, so that I can,

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, make more money at some point in my

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 1>career with some company. So I presume that's that's similar

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to h what's going on here? Can I report that? No?

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Of course not, I will not. I will not. I

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>will not sign anywhere for fifty dollars kidding me? Right,

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>net worth is ten twelve million, you know what I am?

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm I'm a deca millionaire. That's what they call him, right,

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>deca millionaire, dec a millionaire. No, I'm not gonna quit everything,

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>just a wrestle for not wrestle for fifty a year now. Christian,

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, that guy is all up in

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>this idea of working no dates. Well, he's work at dates,

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>but he's not wrestling all over that that catchphrase that

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>he had outwork everybody? What does that mean? See he

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>outworked everybody? I like it. Alright, let's uh, let's see

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>what we got here. I don't know if this is

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 1>intentional or not. It says here, but Eddie winning against

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Jericho only for things to spiral worse and worse and

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>to end in a blood guts match where he doesn't

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>get to win personally but as a team courtesy of

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a long hated rival is great storytelling. Yeah, you know,

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>they have a lot of great storytelling, but people like

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to imagine that they don't have good storyline and that

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>w w E has the best storytelling, which is preposterously.

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>They both sometimes have pretty crappy stuff that be far

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>more often. But let me say something though, Okay, because

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I want people to get mad about me not saying

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>that w w E has the greatest storytelling. W w

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>e s storytelling largely, absolutely completely totally sucks, and I

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear an argument, okay, And the reason

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>for that is because Vince change, you want to make

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a list of all of the things that have started

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>and stopped and gone absolutely nowhere. And I mean, dude,

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>thousands thousands of them in probably a two year period.

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, they are very very good at

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>after four weeks of whatever happens happens. The people that

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 1>put the video packages together, their job is to create

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a coherent story out of this nonsense. Those people do

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>a fantastic job. And that's why when they did that

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 1>poll about which you know, which company has better storytelling?

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>You know when I when I saw that poll, I

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>was like, there's gonna be a landslide, but they had

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>turned out it was not a landslide at all. There

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.760
<v Speaker 1>were a large number of people who claimed, and granted

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>this is a claim, they claimed they watched w W

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and a W and they believe that w W WE

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 1>had better storytelling. And I was just like, how could

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>you claim that? Like there's no consistency to anything they do, ever,

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>with very very rare exceptions. And I think the answer

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was because these people who I tell you right now,

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>whoever they are, they're underpaid. They do such a great job,

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>take a four weeks of nonsense and putting it together

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 1>into that video package that you have to sit through

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>on every pay per view telling you what the storyline is.

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 1>That's why, because you know, Dave noted, what was the

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>recap of Forbidden Door on a W last night? There

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't one. There was no recap of anything that happened

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>on Forbidden Door. They just moved on to the next show.

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't pay close attention, you'll miss things. Dude,

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I miss things on every show because I get feedback

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.879
<v Speaker 1>from people saying, Dude, you miss this, You miss that.

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>You didn't even notice this, You didn't even notice that. Yeah,

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of stuff going on, and if you

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>pay very very close attention, there is very very deep,

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>intricate storytelling in a w But if you don't pay attention,

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:48.879
<v Speaker 1>you don't notice it, and you just watch these w

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>W a video pactually go man, they're way better. But Brian,

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>that's I mean, it depends on what eyes you're watching,

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>you're wrestling with, and what you want to take out

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>of it. For those people that look at wrestling like

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>they look at their music, is an escape. When a

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>top forties song comes on, or a sitcom that does

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 1>not have a linear storyline through it and just kind

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>of bounces around, and that doesn't bother people, you know,

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 1>as long as I know this person and this makes

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>me entertained, like that's they've been doing this now for

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 1>in Vince Junior's world, for forty years of training their audience.

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of people don't care about this long,

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>intricate psychological storyline with callbacks to this and and to

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>this match and that match, and you gotta remember what

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>happened in this match, and that's what makes this extra special.

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>They're not watching for that if they've been watching for

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>a far more simplistic reason, or that's just not what

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>they they want out of their sports entertainment. So, you know,

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a happier medium sometimes between a W

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>and w w E, but it's very difficult to get

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that on the national stage, and I don't think we

0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>are going to get one for a long long time.

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, bring up Honor included in that. I mean,

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>we'll see, but it's either w E style wrestling for

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the most part, or what a W gives you. And again,

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's like when people are arguing online, it's like

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you're arguing apples and oranges. It's both fruit, but you're

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.879
<v Speaker 1>throwing these things at each other and they're completely different. First,

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>it's according to an interview he did with a Fight Vote,

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Alan Angels turned down the per appearance deal, So I

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>guess he's just a totally free agent. Is that what

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Stuke Grayson did as well? Is that with some of

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 1>the debate over the money or whatever it was going

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 1>to be. But I mean, again, twenty four years old,

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>wrestling is an amazing business where sometimes you start off.

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.879
<v Speaker 1>If you got the right look, the right things break

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>right for you, you get huge potential. Other people like

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Eddie Kinkson takes them a long time, but persistence is key.

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of places out there to work streaming wise,

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 1>keep your name out there. I'm sure it'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a moment Observer Live in the show. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Albert is here Wrestling Observer Live mixumbur BV also Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Observer dot Com. Surse It says only disappointment from Blood

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<v Speaker 1>Guts was no one was set on fire. Now, before

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<v Speaker 1>you just go, well what an idiot this guy? As

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<v Speaker 1>he does say he thought Jericho throwing fireballs was leading

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<v Speaker 1>to a payoff. Well, that could still happen down the line.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you safely do that payoff. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the payoff is not someone getting lit on fire,

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<v Speaker 1>but just the Wizard gets a fireball in his face

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<v Speaker 1>from somebody whoever that ends up being in the end.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you if you want to hear more about

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<v Speaker 1>n x T two point oh, which sadly I was

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<v Speaker 1>unable to recap as I was traveling yesterday, if you

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<v Speaker 1>would like to hear more well, and of course a

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<v Speaker 1>w blood guts. It'll be the brunt of Viti show tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>We spend night eighty minutes recapping both shows, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>tonight only the show is delayed thirty minutes. It'll be

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<v Speaker 1>nine Pacific twelve thirty Stern, what's so funny? Why do

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<v Speaker 1>you always have to laugh at everything? Because this has

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<v Speaker 1>not been ironed out with Vinny yet and you're still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to ban handle. I told Jared and old Vinny

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<v Speaker 1>it's done. Did he watch the next day? Yeah? I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know what he thought about the dream sequence

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<v Speaker 1>of Wendy ch oh Bro. We'll talk about all that tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Annial two Dimes being killed allegedly possibly, we don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I think you are maybe uh due a

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<v Speaker 1>year from now. This guy better come out at that

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<v Speaker 1>lake and pull a fish out of his trunks. You

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<v Speaker 1>ever see Creep Show? Do you ever see the movie

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<v Speaker 1>Creep Show? Remember when they killed Ted Dance and they

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<v Speaker 1>bury him in the water, and then at the end

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<v Speaker 1>he comes back to haunt the guy and he's got

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<v Speaker 1>all the the the ivy or whatever it is all

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<v Speaker 1>over him, all the swamp stuff all over him. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how he needs to come back right out of the

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<v Speaker 1>river with a dead fish that he's going to give

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<v Speaker 1>to Tony D'Angelo if Italians were known to historically do so.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we gotta go. Dude's Jimminy Christmas. Shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Mike proutro out of there. Thank everybody, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>for listening. We'll talk to you all again. Wrestling Observer Alive.

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