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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: You know, I get moments during the show or whenever

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Speaker 2: I play where I get to observe people and they

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Speaker 2: get to see people's faces. You know, I can sense

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Speaker 2: when somebody's just having a really deep moment, and that

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Speaker 2: to me is I think one of the reasons I

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Speaker 2: do it is to be able to connect with somebody

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Speaker 3: I'm Lynn Hoffman and this is the Music Saved Me Podcast,

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Speaker 3: the podcast that explores the healing power of music.

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 3: Our guests are def Leppard drummer Rick Allen and his

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Speaker 3: wife Lauren Monroe. They are actively supporting those in need

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Speaker 3: with their amazing charity, the Raven Drum Foundation, and they

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Speaker 3: certainly know firsthand about how music heals. Music Saved Me

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Speaker 3: is a proud supporter of Musicians on Call who introduced

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Speaker 3: us to Rick and Lauren. So glad they did. Rick

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Speaker 3: and Lauren, Welcome to Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 1: Hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling like we must have crossed paths at some

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Speaker 3: point in time, but time has just goes so fast

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Speaker 3: in Boston.

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Speaker 4: And think er, maybe you and Rick have met in

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Speaker 4: an interview.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking like, maybe once I worked at VH one

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Speaker 3: for a few years.

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Speaker 1: Could have been there.

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Speaker 3: I did some work at A and E and then,

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Speaker 3: But I'm feeling like it had something to do with

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Speaker 3: with fantasy camp.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, could I've been in Vegas for Vegas?

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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think I think the only fantasy camp I did

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Speaker 2: a fantasy camp, but I think it was me Phil,

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Speaker 2: I think Sab. Yeah, I think that was Vegas and

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Speaker 2: that that was an interesting experience. I've never done that

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Speaker 2: before and we ended up really enjoying.

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Speaker 1: It, and the campers did too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: For sure reminds me of kind of why we're here

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Speaker 3: together too, because although that was a fantasy camper se,

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Speaker 3: it really did change people's lives. I think getting up

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Speaker 3: close and personal like that and having that one on

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Speaker 3: one connection with somebody.

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Speaker 1: But in any case, I digress.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to take up too much more of

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Speaker 3: your time, but I wanted to thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for being on the podcast Music Save Me, and thank

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Speaker 3: you to our friends at Musicians on Call for connecting us,

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Speaker 3: and I wanted to start off our time together by

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Speaker 3: talking about this fantastic organization Musicians on Call. Lauren, I'll

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Speaker 3: start with you, what does musicians on call and their

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Speaker 3: work mean to you?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a really positive way to bring

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Speaker 4: people to a place of awareness and healing while they're

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Speaker 4: in the hospital, to give them hope, to give them encouragement,

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Speaker 4: to give them a sense of belonging. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a really important piece to bring music into that healing environment.

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Speaker 1: That's so true, Rick, how about you?

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine what it feels like for somebody

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Speaker 2: to you know, to be It's like it would be

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Speaker 2: like having your own private concert, you know, and having

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Speaker 2: how incredible is that? I just think the work that

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Speaker 3: Very special. And Lauren, you've talked about music sort of

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Speaker 3: superpowers of music. Would you elaborate a little more on

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Speaker 3: that for us, Well, I think when.

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Speaker 4: You use music as a way to transform, you use

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Speaker 4: it by all the lyrics, the sounds, the silence. We're

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Speaker 4: And we all know that when we go to a concert,

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Speaker 3: I think, do you think, Rick, that music has supernatural

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Speaker 2: It really not a specific exam but Laurde alluded to it.

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Speaker 2: I just mentioned Glenn Miller. Glenn Miller was music. It

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Speaker 1: What is specific?

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Speaker 3: Do you do you think that there's anyone specific thing

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Speaker 1: I think all of it.

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Speaker 2: intention behind the people that made the music, or if

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Speaker 4: I think music across the board is very key to healing,

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Speaker 4: when you're playing with intention, whether it's a sad song

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Speaker 3: And you know, and speaking of going to shows, I'm

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Speaker 3: curious what musicians have influenced your views about music special powers,

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Speaker 3: seeing how that that's how we're sort of speaking of

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Speaker 1: It's it's pretty incredible.

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Speaker 3: It's like they knew something that we didn't and then

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Speaker 1: Rick, What about you?

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Speaker 3: What musicians have influenced your views about music and its

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Speaker 1: The list really.

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Speaker 2: You know, what is it about piano played in a

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Speaker 3: and I'm curious, is music the primary source of your

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Speaker 4: No, Well, I have music as a component, but I

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Speaker 4: it's it's separate from music. But then I do like

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Speaker 4: a lot of music that has harmonies in it because

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Speaker 4: they do that it takes you out of the mind

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Speaker 4: I love harmony.

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Speaker 1: That just got me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, especially like you know, string sections and orchestral

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Speaker 3: harmonies and vocals, they just really do seem to resonate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for me too, I get like truth bumps, you

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Speaker 4: know when I yeah, I do too. Well.

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Speaker 3: Watching you perform Rick with Lauren, It's it's obvious you

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Speaker 3: can see your joy just radiates out to your audience.

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Speaker 3: Can you talk about how meaningful it is in your

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead.

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Speaker 1: You really.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Let's you both.

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Speaker 4: See you in Boston.

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Speaker 1: Let us know if you're coming.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll put you on March. We should have mentioned

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