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Speaker 1: H m hmmmm mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to all the smoke. Day two in our

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Speaker 2: new building.

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Speaker 3: It's still pretty naked, but we just met with the

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Speaker 3: gonna come alive, trust me, Jack. I was really excited

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Speaker 3: about this one because one, first of all, I have

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Speaker 3: a lot of respect for what he's done to this

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Speaker 3: been outwardly what's the right word, I can use critical?

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Speaker 2: Critical?

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Speaker 3: There you go where we're gonna. We're in the world tidy.

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Speaker 3: I could tell you're already finishing my senses. I've been

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Speaker 3: critical of of sometimes some of his critiques, but you

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Speaker 3: you know me, I'm someone that wants to learn and

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Speaker 3: have conversations about people that I may disagree with or

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Speaker 3: you know, stuff like that. So before I picked my

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Speaker 3: bone with you, mister Bayless, yes, I want to really

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Speaker 3: give you your flowers for what you've been able to do.

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Speaker 3: I really got a chance to kind of study up

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Speaker 3: on you and your journey with your family and just

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Speaker 3: kind of the way you grinded to the absolute top

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Speaker 2: If there is a hall of fame for this.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you will be in it one day, but

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Speaker 3: really just what you've meant and the inspiration you've been

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Speaker 3: to a lot of people. You know, you gave Jack

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Speaker 3: his first opportunity, and we'll talk about that in a

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Speaker 3: little bit, but really just wanted to let you know,

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Speaker 3: still in the game, but off TV.

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Speaker 2: That we really appreciated everything you've done in this space.

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Speaker 4: Honored by everything you just said. Much respect for you

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Speaker 4: and the man to your right. I've been on TV

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Speaker 4: with both of you, and I'm looking forward to being

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Speaker 4: in your space. Yeah, the view and I hand flowers

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Speaker 4: back to both of you, because you have blazed a

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Speaker 4: new trail and I'm in awe of it. And when

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Speaker 4: both have wisdom and edge that you brought from many

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Speaker 4: many years of playing on the edge, and you brought

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Speaker 4: it together here. It's a great pairing and you broke through,

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Speaker 4: both of you, and you're on the rise and rising

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Speaker 4: and you haven't seen the top yet. And you should

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Speaker 4: both be congratulated because as players, you both had to

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Speaker 4: fight your way up. That man went, where'd you go? Australia,

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Speaker 4: Dominican where else? Venezuela right just to get to the league,

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Speaker 4: and you did your G league time and then you

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Speaker 4: both broke through in the league in different ways in

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Speaker 4: different places, and then you recreated here and this is

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Speaker 4: in the league, no question. So congratulations, thanks you and

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Speaker 4: fire away.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to let's get to the ship now. So

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Speaker 3: obviously again, you know, you guys changed the dynamic with

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Speaker 3: Debate TV. But I felt like, kind of like the

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Speaker 3: last three years and where I kind of was outwardly,

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Speaker 3: you know, critiquing as you would critique, was I kind

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Speaker 3: poor play, shitty team to personal attacks and two people

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Speaker 3: in particular, I felt kind of it got personal at times.

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Speaker 3: Was with Russell Westbrook and Lebron James. From your experience

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Speaker 3: what at one point I felt like there was a

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Speaker 3: and it was more personal attacks. Can you kind of

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Speaker 3: you looked at it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we got to go one at a time, different

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Speaker 4: situations and circumstances for both of those players. Do who

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Speaker 4: want to start with Lebron?

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Speaker 2: Whoever you would like to?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I say what I see and I still believe

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Speaker 4: to this moment, Lebron has been the most overprotected superstar

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Speaker 4: many flowers when it's time to throw flowers. I have

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Speaker 4: but I've said to this day, to this moment, he's

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Speaker 4: still the best passer in basketball on a nightly basis.

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Speaker 4: As I always say, I watch every dribble of every game.

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Speaker 4: He will take my breath away twice a game with

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Speaker 4: that's that's a gift. He's a generational passer of the basketball,

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Speaker 4: and I've said a thousand times sometimes to that man.

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Speaker 4: He is easily the greatest driver of the basketball I've

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Speaker 4: we give him now to sixty issue and obviously an

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Speaker 4: explosive athlete with the highest IQ in basketball. It's somewhere

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Speaker 4: that's just me, and I know that's pretty subjective. I

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Speaker 4: frame all this with the positivity, and obviously what he's

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Speaker 4: but in this day and age, it's close. We know

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Speaker 4: all the racial social justice what he just did with Kamala,

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Speaker 4: but highest marks. Okay, So now we take this man

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Speaker 4: and let's start with this. By his standards, he's a

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Speaker 4: poor three point shooter, and by his standards, he's a

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Speaker 4: pathetic free throw shooter. At seventy four percent for his career,

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Speaker 4: Jordan was eighty four percent Magic Bird, they're ninety ish

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Speaker 4: out moments for Lebron in his career. And remember on TV,

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Speaker 4: I was often thrown up against Shannon Sharp, who loves

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Speaker 4: I mean it got a little scary for me. Sometimes scared,

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Speaker 4: all right, But he's just proclaiming Lebron better than Jordan. Well,

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Speaker 4: I'm the biggest Jordan fan.

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Speaker 2: In his I'm with you, I'm with you, I'm I'm withky.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Like I get goosebumps talking about Michael Jeffery Jordan

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Speaker 4: because I got to know him. I was there in

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Speaker 4: Chicago in ninety eight for the Last Dance Season. Listen,

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Speaker 4: this man is. He's in another universe to me from

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Speaker 4: Lebron Bleeping James. So if you're gonna compare them, I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna say Jordan never had any epic fails and anything

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Speaker 4: But Boston and Larry Bird would say, I just saw

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Speaker 4: that's the framework of what I'm doing again. Do I

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Speaker 4: don't because I'm afraid if I were around him very much.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a really good guy, a really nice guy,

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Speaker 4: sometimes nice to a fault. Because I was around Jordan

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Speaker 3: Can you give us your reason behind the Westbrook situation?

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Speaker 4: So this runs deep for me, and there is some

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Speaker 4: personal here. I will admit I was a Kevin Durant

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Speaker 4: going to be revolutionary. He looks like he's seven feet

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Speaker 4: you know, like it's just it's gimmes where nobody can

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Speaker 4: touch it because he's shooting it up so high that

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Speaker 4: What what are you six eighthesay? So you can go

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Speaker 4: if he goes up correctly, you got no shots. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because it's over you. And he's too damn good at

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Speaker 4: what he does, and he works hard at it, and

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Speaker 4: he shoots a billion shots. He's just one of those guys.

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Speaker 4: He just loves to be in the gym. He's a

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Speaker 4: the air, like stop it, it's way too soon. You're overreacting.

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Speaker 4: Then we had Bill cellphone coach at Kansas obviously, and

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Speaker 4: it's just Jay and Bill. And Bill says, could I

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Speaker 4: take a left turn here on paraphrase and I said it,

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Speaker 4: but he said, I just wanted you to tell Skip

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Speaker 4: he's right about Kevin Durant because we can't deal with him.

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Speaker 4: Kansas couldn't deal with Kevin Durant. Okay, so he winds

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? You have three Hall of Famers

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's like you got to deal with We had to

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Speaker 4: deal with it. Okay, So right away what happens is

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Speaker 4: little brother starts taking more shots than big brother. Russ

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Speaker 4: starts taking more shots, and UCLA got your CLA guy.

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Speaker 4: But I didn't see Russ coming at UCLA. Stayed for

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Speaker 4: but I couldn't see it. Coming. I didn't see this coming, right,

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Speaker 4: because go back and look at what is happening, Like

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Speaker 4: six or seven points just coming off the bench. I

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Speaker 4: could he didn't even catch my eye. Right, It's Kevin

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Speaker 4: Love and Collison and you know, like it is a

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Speaker 4: good team. Okay, So night after night I'm watching my

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Speaker 4: Oklahoma City Thunder and Russell Westbrook is taking more shots.

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Speaker 4: I just go back and show you the numbers. He's

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Speaker 4: taken more shots than Kevin Durant. I know Kevin's the

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Speaker 4: Russ for taking more shots. This is now I'm on

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Speaker 4: first take. And Kevin didn't lie because it was bad

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Speaker 4: for their unity, for their their their camaraderie, for their chemistry, because.

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Speaker 2: Right, okay, it was bad for the team.

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Speaker 5: Okay, if Russ and Katie on the team, Katie should

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Speaker 5: be taking more shots. That ain't no shot at Russ

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Speaker 5: is just so.

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Speaker 4: Kat When when evening before a game, he calls over

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Speaker 4: he says, I got something for it, and he blasts me,

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Speaker 4: and they put it in the Oklahoma and then I

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Speaker 4: myself because Kevin said Skip doesn't no ship about basketball,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, I do. I actually do. And

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Speaker 5: I'm I think I'm Russ's biggest fan. I talk about

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Speaker 5: That stuff you do be saying just for your for

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you have a photographic memory? You just fucking

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Speaker 4: I take what I do like crazy, Seriously, I'm obsessed

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean as great as Wimby is, And

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Speaker 4: Well obviously, well I mean, and yet you know I'm

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Speaker 4: Sure he does. I mean they're just loaded, They're like

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Speaker 5: Well, right, what I will say about that is if

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Speaker 2: He's a great leader of men, all right.

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Speaker 3: Because for me, You're gonna take some heat for that shit,

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Speaker 5: That's fine because because he had great coaches up under him.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't learn how to be approciate that I want

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Speaker 5: He brings He makes everybody buy into a championship idea,

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Speaker 4: To be you afraid of him.

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Speaker 5: was trying to He was trying to make me a

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00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 5: mature man, right, being in games and mad because I

433
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 5: didn't get the ball or something like that, and arguing

434
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 5: with my teammate that wasn't that wasn't the winning way

435
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 5: in San Antonio. So he was trying to raise me

436
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 5: as a man. I didn't understand that at the time.

437
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 5: I thought he was just being just picking on me.

438
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 4: But you fired back at him enough times he finally

439
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 4: said that's enough.

440
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: I had enough.

441
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well, actually, you know, he didn't give me

442
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 5: my big contract ifter.

443
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: Won the championship. That was his way of saying, I'm

444
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: in control. You know what I'm saying.

445
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 5: So things like that that'll bother you with pop. But

446
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 5: as a leader, I don't think you're gonna find a

447
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 5: better leader.

448
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

449
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: R C.

450
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 4: Buford. You played around and under him as the GM

451
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: of that team. Yep, I'm gonna remind everybody.

452
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: R C.

453
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 4: Buford did not play basketball. He was a walk on

454
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 4: college football player at Oklahoma State, and he talked Larry

455
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 4: Brown at Kansas into letting him be a Gopher on

456
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 4: their basketball staff. I don't even know how that started,

457
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 4: but it did, and that led to one thing after another,

458
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 4: and he winds up in San Antonio and you can

459
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 4: make a case he was the greatest builder of a

460
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 4: dynasty we've ever seen. Because it's pretty easy to take

461
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 4: Tim Duncan, but it wasn't easy to take Tony Parker

462
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 4: at the end of the first round. And it was

463
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 4: definitely not easy to steal My Nugenobali at the bottom

464
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 4: of the draft, right, And it was not easy to

465
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 4: go steal Kawhi Leonard from Indiana for George Hill. Remember

466
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: it was basically that was the trade. It was George

467
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 4: Hill and the seventeenth pick, and you get Kawhi. Really,

468
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 4: you got Kawhi Leonard. That's how you build a dynasty.

469
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 4: So was Pop not blessed to have RC Buford?

470
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 2: Right?

471
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: Okay, so it all came together. But ever since Timmy

472
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 4: walked out that door, I'm not seeing a whole lot

473
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: from him. I'm not seeing special where There'll be a

474
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 4: night I'll be watching Wemby and I'll say, you know what,

475
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 4: they got something cooking here, you know, because strategically they

476
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: know how to play defense or whatever. I don't see

477
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 4: any defensive commitment and Wemby is still taking way too

478
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 4: many threes. He's shooting twenty three percent from three and

479
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: he's got a beautiful stroke. But it's just like to say,

480
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 4: work seven and four seven. I don't want him just

481
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 4: standing out there all the time taking eight threes a game.

482
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 4: He took thirteen last night at Utah and made four

483
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: of them.

484
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: Way to go.

485
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 5: But what a lot of what populack Tim Duncan picked

486
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 5: up on, like you said, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

487
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 5: At a lot of stuff like they worked hand in hand,

488
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 5: so you know he's It's definitely everybody knew it wasn't

489
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 5: gonna be the same once Tim walked out that door.

490
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: We all knew that.

491
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 4: You were in that locker room with him. Was he

492
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: not as as powerful a quiet force as there ever was?

493
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: By far? By far?

494
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: He ran He ran there say a whole lot you

495
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: just knew, yep.

496
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 5: And he said that tone that you had, that he

497
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 5: demanded that respect, you know what I mean. And I

498
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 5: think that's why they had so much success, because if

499
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 5: you got that respect at the top, it's gonna trinkle

500
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 5: down and everybody's gonna buy in. I've been to a

501
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 5: lot on his organizations where you never know who the

502
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 5: owner is one and and everybody's not buying in. You

503
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 5: got coaches with their own way of doing things. You

504
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 5: got coaches talking behind each other back that don't happen

505
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 5: in San Antono. Everybody's buying in on the same page.

506
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 5: That's done when you have that much success.

507
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: You said it, I didn't. You said not a great

508
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 4: basketball coach.

509
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: Right, No, he's a great leader though, bringing but he's

510
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: not a great basketball coach's leader because he might he

511
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 5: comes from a military background, in my right or wrong,

512
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 5: I've come from so that alone. Being able to put

513
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: people in the right place and to lead guys in

514
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 5: like that's not easy, as you think.

515
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: He's not ancent That's why he had.

516
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: But that's why you see the coaches that leave from

517
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 5: him or email you dope. All these coaches that leave

518
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 5: him become great coaches on their own because there were

519
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 5: great coaches under him.

520
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He was just leading them

521
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: and putting them in the right positions. It's a good

522
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: quality to have. Absolutely, Yeah, he's a great leader.

523
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 4: Probably who was the strongest coach you played for, the

524
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 4: most powerful force in the locker room? Somebody you really

525
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 4: looked up.

526
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 3: To Bill Jackson really quiet though quietly. But I only

527
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: got a year of him, and I got the end

528
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: the end of his rule.

529
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: Which year was.

530
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: Ten or eleven eleven, where he had cancer and he

531
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 3: was going to step away from the game. But the

532
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 3: aura of his in his presence is strong.

533
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

534
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 3: And I came in the year they had just one

535
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: tune we were going for a three p and that

536
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: you know, hurt myself and towards the end of the playoffs.

537
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 3: But the trust he instilled in you, if you put

538
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: you out there, he trust you. He's not going to

539
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: be a coach. I mean, we know he's not up

540
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: there screaming and doing all kinds of ship. When he

541
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: puts the guys out there, he trusts him and he

542
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: allows you to play the mistakes and make mistakes.

543
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: He wants you to figure it out on the court,

544
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 4: and he's not a time out.

545
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

546
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I really, I really, you know, And I

547
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: got a chance to play for you know, a lot

548
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: of good coaches, but I think Phil is the one

549
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: that jumps to the top as far as because I'm

550
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: really mental too, you know, I love the mental side

551
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, absolutely. When I tore my knee. He

552
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: was calling me after the games like would you see

553
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: out there? And I'm like, what the fuck?

554
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: Who was this again? Is my coachs?

555
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: Give me what I saw with Kobe and Big Drew

556
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: and pas So, yeah, it was interesting.

557
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: Well, because he respected your acumen, you view your knowledge,

558
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: your eyes. Yeah, So did you ever challenge him?

559
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: I didn't need.

560
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: There was there was no need to. All right, the interview,

561
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: I'll just say no, I'll say the reason why I

562
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: never there was. There was never need because the way

563
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: he talked to Cod set the tone. He wasn't going

564
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: for cod ship, and Cod wasn't going for his ship.

565
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: But the fact that he could say that the Cod

566
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: made everyone else just like, well shit, if he's gonna

567
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: say that.

568
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: The cold with the fuck that we had.

569
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: Was king in a book before the before Yeah, but

570
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: in person and way, him and Ronalds used to go

571
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: at each other.

572
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they were talking real ship.

573
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: Ron started talking about Phil's feet one time, how fucked

574
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: up they were, and we lost.

575
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: Well two thousand and seven. What what did you see

576
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: in Steven ad to give him a shot?

577
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 4: Okay, we go way back before that. Okay, first time

578
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: I laid eyes on. Stephen A. Smith was at the

579
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: United Center, the house that Michael built nineteen ninety eight.

580
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: I'm at the Chicago Tribune covering the Bulls. Philly was

581
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: in town. Steve and I was covering Larry Brown's team

582
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: at that point, I think it was covering the sixers

583
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: for the Philadelphia Choir. And he came in the media

584
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 4: room before the game and he was suited and booted,

585
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: coat and tie. Sports writers didn't wear coats and ties,

586
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: and I was impressed because he was trying to send

587
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 4: a message. I'm legit. I take this very seriously. I'm

588
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: here to do a job and I'm dressing appropriately. He

589
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: later told me that Larry Brown was the one who suggested, well,

590
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 4: why don't you do because I'm gonna wear a coat

591
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: and tie, you should wear one too. And Steve and

592
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: I didn't have coats and ties, and Larry, I think,

593
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 4: hooked him up at a mall, at a shop and

594
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: a mall where he had some discount or something so

595
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 4: that Steven A could go buy enough suits to last

596
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: through a road trip. So that impressed me. Then probably

597
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: two thousand, we're here in La now, but there was

598
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 4: a network pre fs one on that same Fox lot

599
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 4: not too far from here called Fox Sports Net, and

600
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 4: Jim Rome had an afternoon show, a TV show called

601
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: The Last Word, and I don't know how this happened,

602
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 4: but faithfully we got paired on a show with Jim

603
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 4: as the wingman. So Jim would sit in the middle,

604
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: Steven over here, I'm over here. He would. Jim would

605
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: throw up a topic and we'd start going at it,

606
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: and right away I just liked him, and we clicked

607
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: and connected off camera because he started to a respect

608
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: me and be trust me in ways that me coming

609
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: from Oklahoma City and him coming from Queens was a

610
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: billion to one shot. But we just clicked and we

611
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: were both We had newspaper hearts, sportswriter hearts, so we'd

612
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: come from the same business, and he respected my ability

613
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: to write, and I definitely respected his bill report. And

614
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, Jim Rowl was saying, it's like

615
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: watching a tennis match where he's just his head's just

616
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: on a swivel, boom boom boom, and Steven A would

617
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: let me go hard at him. And he's got a

618
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: huge ego, bigger than my ego, which I love about

619
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 4: him because that's who he is and what he is

620
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: that makes him Stephen A. Smith. I love that he

621
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: called himself Stephen A.

622
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: Smith.

623
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: That was just a cool name to me because Steve Smith,

624
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: you know, it's not that great. We know some Steve

625
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: Smith and it's okay, but but you're not going to

626
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 4: be quite as big unless you're Steven A Smith.

627
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: Right.

628
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: Smart branding, It was brilliant branding. But I could go

629
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: hard at him in ways that there's no way he's

630
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 4: going to let anybody else go at him on camera

631
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: on air because he knew in the end I still

632
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: had his back, and we can go hard about a

633
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: basketball topic because that was his forte. I'm football, basketball, whatever,

634
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 4: but it's mostly basketball and it would be explosively great

635
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 4: to watch. And we both knew it. And it wasn't

636
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: like it was contrived.

637
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: It was real.

638
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: It was natural. We just naturally disagreed on just about everything.

639
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: So Jim got a contract Snapfoo and left, and they

640
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: wanted us to replace Jim with the show PTI had

641
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: just launched. It was maybe three or four months old

642
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: obviously on ESPN, so they wanted a PTI esque show

643
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: with edge. That's how they proposed us with Edge and

644
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: a producer is still a close friend of mine and

645
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: Steve and A's name, John Johnston, came up with the

646
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: title sports in black and White. This is two thousand

647
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: and two, so we're way ahead of our sort of time.

648
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: And we did a pilot and we did sort of

649
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: PTI ED two. Yeah, just the two of us going

650
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: back and forth with a guest that we brought in

651
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: just for the pilot, Raymond Sini, the boxer. George Green

652
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 4: ran the network, came flying out of the control room

653
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: when we finished and said I could put this on

654
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: the air tonight. Okay, so we're starting to talk to

655
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: John about moving to LA and we're going to launch this.

656
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: This is a long time ago. This is twenty two

657
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: years ago, so this would have changed history and it

658
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: ran up the flagpole to the top. And I'm not

659
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: going to name names, but somebody way upstairs said no

660
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: to Steven A because he was just too edgy for

661
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: them at that point. And I'm like, he's not edgy,

662
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 4: it's just he's a showman. He's people don't take it

663
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: that seriously, that like they're not going to overreact to it,

664
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: that they'll love it, because that's what you want, you

665
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: want this kind of edge. I'm edgier than he is

666
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 4: to all the questions you asked me, because steven A

667
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 4: doesn't take it quite as seriously as I do. But

668
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: we're a great click. Okay, So I'm so we got

669
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 4: left at the altar on that one. So when I

670
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 4: got to ESPN Pizza, we started to overlap he was

671
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: doing quite frankly. We're both based in New York, so

672
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: we would be on each other's shows. And then his

673
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 4: plug got pulled and then they took us up to

674
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: Bristol and rebranded us first take. We had about a

675
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 4: three or four year run where steven A got pushed

676
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: out the back door in Bristol. I mean, they did

677
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: not renew him, and I don't know, you have to

678
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 4: ask him the real backstory. But he came out here

679
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: to Fox Sports Radio and he was here for two years.

680
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 4: And you can ask my wife about this. He would

681
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: call me every day and say can you get me

682
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: back on the Worldwide Leader? And I would beat on

683
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 4: every door in that building. You can ask them all

684
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 4: if I didn't just keep saying, what are we doing?

685
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous. He's gifted. He's a force. We got

686
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: to get him back here, and finally, I think it

687
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: took two years. They imposed their will on him, you know,

688
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: because he was too full of himself, I guess, and

689
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: made him sort of crawl back, if you will, and

690
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: they let him ease back in on New York Radio

691
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: and writing for New York ESPN dot com. I was

692
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: just ashamed of it, but I kept fighting because then

693
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: I was going solo on first take with a rotation

694
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: of guest debaters. We had all kinds of people coming in,

695
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 4: Jamel Hill, Michael Smith and two live stews, and Chris

696
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: Brusard was in the mix, and we had all kinds

697
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 4: of different people coming in. And we had a run

698
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: in the t Bow season, which was twenty eleven, where

699
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: we just were just rating through the roof. But at

700
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: the end of that season, I told Jamie Horowitz, who

701
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: was our showrunner, they would let us have Steven A

702
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: once a week for one segment at the top of

703
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: the second hour, and that was it, because he was

704
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 4: still being punished or whatever. And I said, just get

705
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 4: me him. The rotation's fine, and our ratings were great,

706
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: but I need him daily where I could wake up

707
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: thinking I got him, because that's where you don't lose

708
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: any sleep because I got a new you know, a

709
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: new opponent so to speak. The next day, I wonder

710
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: how he's going to be. I wonder what this is

711
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: going to be. We got a whole new dynamic tomorrow,

712
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: wonder how that's going to work. I wanted to be

713
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: able to sleep peacefully because I had my man back.

714
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 4: So to your question, that that's how we fought through

715
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 4: that and finally got him back full time. And the

716
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: rest is his year.

717
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: What year did you guys reconnect and finally back full time?

718
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: Twenty eleven he became at the very end. It was

719
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: like we were. I went to the Super Bowl. It

720
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: was the Brady It was in Indianapolis, the Brady Giant

721
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 4: second Super Bowl. So it was right in that week.

722
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 4: That was the first time he came back on full

723
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: time and we launched, re relaunched.

724
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 5: Even I said this, Who knows why I'd be if

725
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: SKIP didn't put me on first take.

726
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just still I look back at

727
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: that time, you push him out the back door. No, seriously,

728
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 4: like it's it's the dumbest thing ESPN has ever done

729
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: in the history of ESPN. I know some dumb things

730
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: have happened. That was dumb.

731
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: They making up for it. Now they taking care of

732
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: him now.

733
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 4: Okay, well good, he deserves it. He's worth every penny of.

734
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: Money. Right, he'll get it.

735
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 5: Good friend, What do you have to say about people

736
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: feel like first take debate and hot take format was

737
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: bad for sports media.

738
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 4: I don't have any respect for that. As stephen A

739
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: would say, they can all kick rocks. Okay, so I

740
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: know we spawned a million imitators, but I already explained

741
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 4: to you what we had. You want to talk about

742
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: rare chemistry. I can't make it up, coach it. I

743
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: can't teach it. I can say thank you God for it.

744
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 4: And that's all I can say, thank you God because

745
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: we connected and they all tried and failed whatever. Because

746
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 4: if you don't know how to do it, or you

747
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: don't have any rapport with your debate partner, it will

748
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: flop miserably and it'll be hard to watch, and it

749
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: will be contrived and tricked up, and you have to

750
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: have natural disagreement or it won't work. Because I'm not

751
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 4: sure stephen A really really disagreed with a lot of

752
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: what I said. He just it just pissed him off

753
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 4: that I would saying, you know, we're just it would

754
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: just as he would say, you get on my last nerve,

755
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 4: you know, and I would get on his last nerve

756
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: and we'd be off to the races. He as opposed

757
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: to Shannon. It was very different than Shannon our chemistry

758
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: because stephen A would always say you go first, you

759
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 4: go first, because he wants to do this.

760
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: He would be character back.

761
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 4: And listen to me because he knows I'm going to

762
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: prep harder than him. I got the photograph memory. So

763
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: he's like, just spew, just go ahead and just just

764
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 4: regurgitate all over the table, you know, just vomit everywhere,

765
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 4: throw all your stuff out. And he would sit back,

766
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 4: classically greatest gift of gab I ever experienced, arms folded

767
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: and say wait a second, did you just say so

768
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: and so and so and so? And I'd say, yeah,

769
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: I did what of it?

770
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: And oh we go?

771
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: But he would pick a little like part C of

772
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 4: my ABC argument and jump all over it. And the

773
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: control room is saying, what the hell are they doing?

774
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: Because we've left the topic way behind and we're going

775
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: way over here and magic is happening. Okay, I can't.

776
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: I can't teach your coach.

777
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: That you were able to catch lightning in a bottle twice?

778
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: The magic ew and Shannon had How did how did

779
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: that partnership beautiful come apart or come together?

780
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: On Undisputed? I needed a new partner, and faithfully and fortunately,

781
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: near the end of my run with steven A, there

782
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: was a week in which steven I had to go

783
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: do something somewhere. He was always gallivant and all around

784
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 4: the country doing whatever he did, being steven A Smith.

785
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: And we tried Shannon Sharp, I think for three days,

786
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: and I really liked him in a very different way

787
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: than I loved steven A. But I liked our click

788
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 4: and it was a whole different dynamic because he's out

789
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: a year mold. Obviously he's in the Hall of Fame.

790
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 4: So now we had ex player. We didn't have journalist journalists.

791
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 4: We have X player journalist. We both are fitness obsessed,

792
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 4: so we had that in common, and he right away

793
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: respected me because I'm like a workout addict. I just

794
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: like it. I'm sorry, I apologize for it, but I'm crazed,

795
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: but I just do it because I like it. And

796
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 4: so to see, and he used to say to me,

797
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: we're way more alike than people think, and I believe

798
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: that's true. I'm coming out here because Jamie Horowitz, do

799
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: you guys know? Okay, So Jamie's here and they're struggling

800
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: and they're going to try to relaunch this FS one

801
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: and Jamie's point to me was, I just need you

802
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: to come here or we're not gonna make it. And

803
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: he had given me a start. Remember when we first

804
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 4: went up to Bristol, when it was still kind of

805
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: cold pizza ish. We had four segments a show, but

806
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 4: it was still that show they tried to launch in

807
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 4: New York in two thousand and four, which was a

808
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 4: bad idea, but it was the idea of kind of

809
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 4: a GMA Good Morning America of sports, where it's loosely

810
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: based on sports, but we'll have these four debate segments

811
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: to spice it up and bring back the sports fans.

812
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 4: And what we found and when we got to Bristol

813
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: was the only thing that rated, and the whole show

814
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: where we'd have four spikes of show, because that's all

815
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: anybody cared about was the debate. They didn't care about

816
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 4: the pat segments and the ballpark food segments. And the

817
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 4: cigar segments and all those segments. Nobody cared about that.

818
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 4: Jamie was the one who took over a year before

819
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 4: steven A joined full time. And Jamie said, how with

820
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 4: all this, I'm gonna blow out what's left to cole

821
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: Pizza and we're gonna go all debate for two It's

822
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: a two hour show, obviously there, We're gonna go all

823
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 4: debate for two full hours. And a lot of people

824
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: in the hallways stopped me and said, this is career

825
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 4: suicide for you and for Jamie. It'll never work. And

826
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: the rest is history. So Jamie then came round about

827
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: he went to the Today Show, then he wound up here.

828
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: So I felt like he gave me that show. He

829
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: blew it out and sort of rebuilt it around me

830
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 4: in the two hours of full time debate. So it

831
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: was up to us to select should we do a

832
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: rotation like we did in the beginning. We thought about it,

833
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 4: and I pushed hard for Shannon because he works hard,

834
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 4: he prepares hard, and he shows up for work on

835
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: time and love to compete with me. Well, I can't

836
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: make that up. Maybe it's not as many magical is

837
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 4: the steven A kind of chemistry. But from day one

838
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: it flew and it took off. And to your point,

839
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: I appreciate that I got blessed twice because we took off.

840
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

841
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know the numbers at the time

842
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: would First Take and undisputed, But I would say from

843
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: just a fan perspective, you guys were right there, if

844
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: not above.

845
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't know the numbers.

846
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: But the chemistry you and Shannon had kind of overshadowed

847
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: whatever stephen A was doing on ESPN.

848
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: I'll remind you when I left, First Take was still

849
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: on ESPN two, which has maybe a fifth of the

850
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: eyeballs that regular ESPN has, And as soon as we

851
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 4: launched here took a month, they moved from it. They

852
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 4: moved the show up to the big eyeballs to protect

853
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: it because we were going to catch it and pass it.

854
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: Absolutely obviously great chemistry and Shannon had a great run.

855
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: Any regrets on how that partnership ended. Yeah, for the show,

856
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: and then he regrets on how the relationship ended.

857
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: And what did you think about the character, the Uncle

858
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: Shay Shake character.

859
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 5: He didn't come on, He didn't come on the show

860
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 5: doing that with the black and mind the do raging,

861
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 5: hennisy and all that.

862
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: Stuff when he first started it.

863
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't come on with that at first when

864
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 5: he first got on the show. So when all that

865
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 5: came about, what you think about that.

866
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 4: Too, Okay, it's better for you guys to respond to

867
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: that than me. But I was still very close with

868
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 4: steven A at that point. He did not love.

869
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: It, no, yeah, okay, and I defer to you nobody did.

870
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: But you know what you talk about branding, you talk

871
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: about stephen A. Smith to be uncle was big for

872
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 4: Uncle Shannon, and out of that which which he I

873
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: think it went away.

874
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

875
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: I don't remember him doing it much over the last

876
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: couple of years. I don't think he ever did it.

877
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 4: But whatever unk stayed, Shaya stayed, so it ended up

878
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: being positive for him. It made me pretty uncomfortable from

879
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: my seat. But look, yeah, you ask about regret, I

880
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: just have one huge regret. We weren't nearly as close

881
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 4: as steven A and I were close, but I just

882
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 4: wanted us to finish together on time. Because over the

883
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 4: last year or so, I would watch what you guys

884
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 4: have done here, I would watch what happens to me

885
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: on Twitter now X. I would watch what happens to

886
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: my videos and I'd say, the audience is starting to

887
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: erode on lenear what they call linear TV shows. It's here.

888
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 4: You guys were ahead of that curve and then right

889
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 4: on time on that curve, and now I want to

890
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 4: chase you guys. You know I want to do this

891
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: because I saw it for about a year. But I

892
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: wanted Shannon and I because I saw his podcast was

893
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 4: starting to take hold when he was at Fox. I

894
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 4: wanted us to finish together. And I don't know, as

895
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 4: God is my witness, I'm not exactly sure what happened upstairs,

896
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 4: but it fell all apart and he got pushed out

897
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 4: and I was blindsided and dumbfounded by that, and I

898
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: don't like it to this day. And I'm not a

899
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: regrets type. I don't look back and say, oh, if only,

900
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 4: But that was one where it was just wrong. I

901
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: didn't That's not how I envisioned because our contracts were concurrent,

902
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: so I knew when mine was up, I wanted to

903
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: go my separate way, but I wanted us to end

904
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 4: the way it should have ended, because man, we had

905
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: seven really good years. We had on just pure ratings.

906
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 4: We had about five through the roof years, and that

907
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: matters to me. You guys like like you guys, I

908
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: don't know if you ever have any spats or anything,

909
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 4: or you disagree on things or whatever, but your link

910
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 4: for life.

911
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: Now their respect doesn't change though respect.

912
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: But you're linked for life because you've been in this

913
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 4: foxhole together and you've had all kinds of guests on

914
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 4: here and yet calmly here it's big and you will

915
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 4: look back. I don't God only knows where it's going

916
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 4: to take all of us in the next twenty years.

917
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 4: But twenty years, if God is good and you're still moving,

918
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 4: you'll look back if you're not doing this anymore, and

919
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: you'll have a deep connection and a deep connection. Okay,

920
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 4: That's how I feel about steven A and Shannon. We

921
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: went to I don't want to say war. We went

922
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: to battle together every day. And listen, Shannon, you're showed

923
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: up for work man. He he came. He's extremely competitive

924
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: and I am crazy competitive, and so we went at

925
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: it in different authentic ways than steven A and I

926
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 4: did because steven A he takes it seriously. But their

927
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 4: showmanship involved with steven A, that is fun to watch

928
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: with Shannon, and I trust me, it got seriously you

929
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 4: sat out there.

930
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: I've watched you prepare for a show Skip and my boy, say,

931
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 5: you right there. It is intense watching skill prepared for

932
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 5: a show, Like it's just as intense to get ready

933
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 5: for a basketball game.

934
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: Bro, it's the super intense.

935
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 4: Well that's my basketball?

936
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: Was it? Thank you? Did it ever?

937
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 3: Because, like I said, sometimes you got into some heated

938
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: debates with did it ever feel personal? Did you ever

939
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: knalk away from the desk and like, damn that hurt

940
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: a little bit? Or no?

941
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have say.

942
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 4: I told him from day one. Yeah, I prep hard,

943
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 4: I'm intense, I'm over intense, But as soon as that

944
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 4: little red light goes off, I let it go. Man,

945
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 4: and I never take it home. And if if you do,

946
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 4: you tell me about it and let's sort it out.

947
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 4: And we had some sit down so we would sort

948
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 4: things out. But he knew early on I always had

949
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: his back and that there's no need to do like

950
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 4: I was say on first take, my slogan was no

951
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 4: punch is pulled, but none thrown. You can't get to

952
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 4: the point where you want to throw. Come on, you

953
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: you know, like then nobody wants to watch that, but

954
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 4: they like genuine heat, and Shannon and I produced genuine heat,

955
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: and I truly love him for that. Like those are

956
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 4: magical moments to me where I look back. We got

957
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: into one time about Tom Brady. I didn't even know

958
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 4: where it went. It just flew off the handle. And

959
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 4: we did have to have a sit down after that one,

960
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 4: and we hugged, you know, like it's it's okay. But

961
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 4: I think back on yes, because I remember that one

962
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: because because now we're getting to punch is thrown right,

963
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: like okay, And by the way, if he threw one

964
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: punch at me, that'd be the end of me. Yeah, okay.

965
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 4: So I'm still not sure how it went there because

966
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 4: this stuff is so unscripted. You you're in the middle

967
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 4: of it, like there's there's kind of a quasi plan,

968
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 4: you know, we kind of know what the top the

969
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: topical question is, but then it just goes off over here.

970
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: You guys just riff off each other. I don't know,

971
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 4: you can't half the stuff that's happened so far in

972
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 4: the show. You couldn't have planned, right, because we're just

973
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 4: vibing off each other and with Shannon. I'm vibing and

974
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: it's going here, and you asked me, is it personal

975
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 4: between you and lebron or Westbrook? After a while, I'm thinking,

976
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: is it personal between Shannon and Brady? Because he just

977
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 4: hated Tom Brady to me and it got vitriolic, you

978
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 4: know where it started to get nasty angry on the air,

979
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 4: and I'm saying and I like, I don't know Bray,

980
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: I never met him before, but he's really good, you know,

981
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: like he was, he was really good at what he did.

982
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: I think it drove Shann crazy. He's playing a position

983
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 4: it's not even like a football position, like it's they

984
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 4: protect him. So so all these guys, they're playing football

985
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: and you can really get hurt doing all these other

986
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: things except kicker or punter. But all these guys are

987
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 4: doing this and they're running into each other the way

988
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 4: humans should never run into each other. And here's this

989
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 4: guy called the quarterback and all the rules protect him.

990
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 4: He can slide if he wants to, and nobody can

991
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 4: touch him. And Tom Brady's just standing back there patent football,

992
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 4: just throwing deadly accurate passes and just surgically carving people

993
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 4: up at won him seven Super Bowl. I think he

994
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 4: should have won eight Super Bowls out of the tea.

995
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 4: And he played in Shanon's in the Hall of Fame obviously,

996
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 4: and I think there was some resentment of how can

997
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 4: he be this great because he's not all that athletic

998
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 4: and he can't run a lick, right, He can just

999
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 4: speed read, process poison under fire. He took some shots.

1000
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: He would get hit occasionally, but in the end, it's

1001
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: like Wayne Gretzky and hockey. He's just playing this game

1002
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 4: above everybody else, and it's all finesse, you know, he's

1003
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: he's just operating on a higher plane than all these

1004
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 4: hockey goons down here running into each other. So was Brady, Well,

1005
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 4: I'm defending Brady, and Shannon went crazy, and then at

1006
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 4: some point he's suggesting he's as good as Tom Brady,

1007
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 4: or was as good as Tom Brady. At that point still.

1008
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: Was He did not say that. Huh. He did not say,

1009
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: well he did.

1010
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 5: That's how I interpreted, Oh yeah, I would have been

1011
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 5: mad to put your glasses back on you say some

1012
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 5: shit like that.

1013
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm like Shannon, and I told him on the air,

1014
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 6: I said, this guy's in another echelon from everybody else

1015
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 6: who ever played, there's never been anything like this guy

1016
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 6: what he achieved.

1017
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 4: And Shannon said, I'm in the hall. I said, I

1018
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: got it. And then he's really mad and he takes

1019
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: his class off. Okay, what are we gonna do? Fight?

1020
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 4: Because now you got me? You know, like, I can't

1021
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 4: win that one. But let's just cease and desist and

1022
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: let's go on to the next topic. Because that's what

1023
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: that's as close as we ever got to eruption explosions.

1024
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 5: If you do an our cardio every day, you got

1025
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 5: you got good footwell you can move.

1026
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: Shan hips bad.

1027
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 5: He can't move. He just top heavy. But have you

1028
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 5: ever seen he just topped. He can't move, He just

1029
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 5: top head our cardio.

1030
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: He can move. You can stick and move.

1031
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: Okay, he couldn't catch me. I know he couldn't catch it,

1032
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 4: but that m F is strong.

1033
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: Rip. He's a big, big.

1034
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: Boy and works hard at being a big boy, and

1035
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 4: it's just hard to Okay, I can't compete with that.

1036
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 4: But it's funny. Right before we launched, he's would send

1037
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 4: me videos. He sent me a video of him and

1038
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: spin class. So he's on the bike just just killing it,

1039
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: you know, and just dripping, I mean like dripping wet,

1040
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: and caption is I'm gonna kick your ass like he's

1041
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: telling me, I'm going to kick your ass. And I

1042
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: showed my wife, Ernstine, I said, I do this every day.

1043
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: What really, I'm not I'm not at all intimidated by that.

1044
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: So I laughed when I saw him. You're not gonna

1045
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: get me that way.

1046
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: Get me on TV.

1047
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 4: You got me. You can't give me that one.

1048
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: There you go.

1049
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 4: So I don't know I could. Maybe I could land

1050
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 4: a little jab.

1051
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: Here or something. Don't let Jack get you.

1052
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 5: Let's go back early bringing, early up bringing, Oklahoma City. Yeah,

1053
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 5: I'm my dad owned a ran a barbecue spot. Yep,

1054
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 5: you're a big barbecue guy. The Hickory House.

1055
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: Never ate it after I was forced to all the

1056
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: way through high school, never touched it. After that. I

1057
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 4: had my feel and I can't even look at ribs anymore.

1058
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 4: And I got nothing against them, but I grew up

1059
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 4: on them, seriously grew up on them. I got forced

1060
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: to work in that little hole in the wall barbecue

1061
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: place on the south side of Oakland City, which is

1062
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 4: the wrong side of town. It's tough side every summer,

1063
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 4: every Christmas break, every spring break, no questions asked. I'm

1064
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: working at the restaurant. I hated the restaurant. I have

1065
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 4: a brother two years younger who loved the restaurant, and

1066
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 4: he became a big chef in a restaurant tour in

1067
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 4: Chicago and won the James Beard Award for Best Restaurant

1068
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 4: in America and Best Chef in America Obama. It's his

1069
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 4: favorite restaurant in Chicago called Topolobampo Room. So my brother

1070
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 4: literally ate it up being in the restaurant, and I

1071
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 4: despised it because I was sports obsessed, and nobody in

1072
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 4: my family liked sports, so they couldn't understand why I

1073
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 4: wanted to play football, basketball, baseball. And my father, who

1074
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 4: never liked me and was a hardcore alcoholic, said you're

1075
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 4: going to learn this so you'll have something to do

1076
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 4: with your life. And so I'm forced to do crap

1077
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: I don't like, which is preparation work, cutting up green

1078
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 4: peppers to put in a potato salad, and then every

1079
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 4: lunch and dinner rush I had to clean off the tables.

1080
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: Busboy.

1081
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 4: It's some nasty business when you're cleaning up after people,

1082
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 4: because everybody smoked, so it's just smoking ashes and butts,

1083
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 4: and it's disgusting. And if you do that for a

1084
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 4: two hour lunch and then he says, take your lunch,

1085
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 4: you're not going to be real keen on eating anything,

1086
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 4: trust me, you know, especially barbecue. So after a while,

1087
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: and they did a good job, and they did. It

1088
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 4: would come and go. Sometimes we'd have a little money,

1089
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: and sometimes we'd be busted because that's the restaurant business.

1090
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 4: But that was my life.

1091
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 5: You still talking about your dad being an alcoholic, complicated

1092
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 5: relationship with your mother with any alcoholic, and you talk

1093
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 5: about that a little bit.

1094
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 4: They both had alcohol issues very differently. My father was

1095
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: a functional alcoholic. He could wake up in the morning.

1096
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 4: I saw this every morning. He would march to the

1097
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 4: kitchen and he would pour himself a vodka and orange

1098
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 4: juice and just gulp it. And then when we were

1099
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 4: coming home, if I worked the lunch and dinner, I'd

1100
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 4: have to ride home with him. I had no choice.

1101
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, nobody wore seat belts. I

1102
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: don't know how we made it. But functional alcoholic. He

1103
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 4: would also take always take a big cup, just a

1104
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 4: soft cup, fill it with half Coca Cola, and then

1105
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 4: we'd go to the car and he'd pull the vodka

1106
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 4: from under the seat and Phil, it is a big

1107
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 4: gold and he's drinking this via straw all the way home.

1108
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: And I'm not even thinking. I don't know enough to

1109
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 4: know you're driving drunk. But he seemed to be able

1110
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 4: to function. Mom slowly fell to the bottom of the bottle.

1111
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 4: But she was a fall down drunk where when she

1112
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: got drunk, she got silly, sappy, lovy, crazy, can't function drunk.

1113
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: And so I'm the oldest and I'm dealing with two

1114
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 4: of them. He left when I was sixteen, ran off

1115
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 4: with the woman three doors down who is my mom's

1116
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 4: best friend. They eloped to Tulsa, up the road from

1117
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City, and I was kind of left running the household.

1118
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 4: But it was just tough on me because I was

1119
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: the first coming.

1120
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: Up in it.

1121
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 4: You have to figure it out, you guys know what

1122
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 4: you have to figure it out. You have to figure

1123
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 4: you know, how do you do this? How do you survive?

1124
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 4: How do you do this? Because I got no guidance.

1125
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 4: The other the good part was I had no rules,

1126
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: I had no curfew, I had no guidance. I could

1127
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 4: do anything I wanted. And the weird part was when

1128
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: I turned fourteen, my mother made my father buy me

1129
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 4: a motorcycle. And they weren't expensive. It's a hon to ninety,

1130
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 4: their tiniest, like a sewing machine engine and it'd go

1131
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 4: like forty miles an hour. But she just said, I

1132
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 4: don't want to take him anywhere anymore. He wants to

1133
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 4: go to all these practices and all this stuff. Just kidding,

1134
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 4: even just get him out of my hair, Just give

1135
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 4: him the motorcycle. So I go down on my fourteenth birthday.

1136
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 4: I aced the test, made a hundred on the written test,

1137
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 4: and he takes me right to the Honda shop and

1138
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 4: I'm off to the races. And it's December the fourth

1139
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 4: and it's cold. I got a church league basketball game

1140
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 4: and I literally strapped onto the banana seat my back,

1141
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 4: my basketball bag and it's freezing cold, and I'm going

1142
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 4: to First Christian Church to the gym to play basketball.

1143
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 4: And I was free man. And so that was fun

1144
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 4: where I could do whatever I wanted. But the problem

1145
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: with it is you can't trust anybody at home. That's

1146
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 4: the problem.

1147
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, somewhat similar, I bring my parents were functioning drug addicts,

1148
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: and I saw a lot of abuse and violence and

1149
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 3: times where we had no money, and times we fell

1150
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 3: out we had a little bit of money.

1151
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 4: What your dad do.

1152
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: My dad was a butcher by day and sold drugs

1153
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: by night, and my mom was a stay at home mom.

1154
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 4: That did he do well selling?

1155
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: He did?

1156
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: He did well enough to make ends me. I wouldn't

1157
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: say well, but well enough. But you know my mom

1158
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 3: that was I was born in the eighties. That was

1159
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 3: a cocaine phase and era and a lot of different things.

1160
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: So I just saw a lot at a young age.

1161
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 3: Where were you in I'm the oldest of three. Yeah,

1162
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 3: until three years ago I found out I have two

1163
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: older brothers.

1164
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 5: Everybody in the eighties, everybody was doing nobody.

1165
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 3: But I say all that to say, I mean, I

1166
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: read when I was going through your stuff that you know,

1167
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 3: and I was wondering if that was the reason you're

1168
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 3: tough upbringing? Was that the reason why you chose not

1169
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: to have children? But me, before you answered on the

1170
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 3: flip side, I think I saw a lot. My mom

1171
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 3: was super mom, and my dad and my relationship are

1172
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: great now. My mom passed in those seven and I

1173
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 3: felt like when I lost my mom, I gained the

1174
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: dad and now we're great and he's a great grandpa

1175
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 3: grand key.

1176
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: He did start to keep it. It's in his DNA wrestler.

1177
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: I never fucked with heavy drugs, but I saw that

1178
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 3: to say, like, I saw a lot of not what

1179
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 3: to do for my dad. My dad had Now that

1180
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: we're closer, and he told me his upbringing and I

1181
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: understand he didn't know how to love. Was no examples

1182
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 3: of loving. I wanted to beat the greatest father ever

1183
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 3: because I didn't feel like I had a dad there.

1184
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 3: Although he was there every single day, I just didn't

1185
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: feel like I had that connection with them.

1186
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: What was your reason for choosing not to have children.

1187
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 4: I didn't want to turn into him, and I was

1188
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 4: afraid I would because I got his genetics. And he

1189
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 4: tried rehab twice because he was a veteran of the

1190
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 4: Air Force, so he went to VA Hospital to meet

1191
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 4: with psychiatrists twice, and the first time female psychiatrists asked

1192
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 4: me as the oldest, do you drink alcohol? I was

1193
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 4: thirteen inch maybe no, no, because he had forced me

1194
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 4: to drink alcohol when I was like four five and six.

1195
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 4: When they would throw parties at home for their little clique,

1196
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 4: and their party trick was to get their oldest son

1197
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 4: to come in and they would give them and give

1198
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 4: me hard something bourbon, you know, because it's just bitter.

1199
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's foul. It's like castor oil taste

1200
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 4: to me. So I would sip it and spit it

1201
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 4: out and they would all laugh. It didn't bother me

1202
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 4: at all, but it actually saved me because I'm thinking,

1203
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: I don't what do you want that for? You put

1204
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: that in your mouth. That's disgusting. So she said to

1205
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 4: me that day, you're doubly predisposed. You've got double alcohol

1206
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 4: genes in you, alcoholic jeens, so you better be careful,

1207
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 4: you better not start. So you say, why do you

1208
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 4: do an hour of cardio? Because I've channeled all that today.

1209
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 4: Whatever that obsession, compulsory behavior, obsessive, compulsive, it all goes

1210
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 4: into this. So at least it's a positive addiction. Or

1211
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 4: I'm probably I could go right down your dad's path

1212
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 4: to my mom's path.

1213
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: How instrumental.

1214
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 3: As someone myself again, and we all probably had our

1215
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 3: own versions of childhood trauma. At my age of forty four, Now,

1216
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, seek counseling, and my fiance is very instrumental

1217
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 3: on me kind of unpacking my childhood and learning how

1218
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 3: to not be a man because I feel like I've

1219
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: been a man for a long time.

1220
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: Just deal with shit different.

1221
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you don't mind me asking how you know

1222
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 3: obviously instrumental.

1223
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: Has your wife been in that process for you?

1224
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 3: And do you seek outside help to kind of deal

1225
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: with some of the older shit or what is your

1226
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: way of kind of dealing with it?

1227
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 4: Sometimes she says maybe you should, maybe you should. I don't.

1228
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm good with it so that I've

1229
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: worked through it. I have to point this out and

1230
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 4: you guys can laugh at me if you want, But

1231
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 4: my saving grace in my life, what centered me and

1232
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 4: saved me, was a black woman named Katie Bell Henderson.

1233
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 4: And the reason I hate to bring it up is

1234
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 4: because you guys probably dismiss it as, oh, it's like

1235
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 4: the help or it's plantation mentality. Trust me, wasn't. She

1236
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 4: worked for my grandmother, who was not a wealthy woman,

1237
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 4: but she traveled for her work. So Katie Bell ran

1238
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 4: her household for by day because she wasn't there a lot.

1239
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 4: So because my home life was such a wreck. I

1240
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 4: got left at my grandmother's a whole lot more than

1241
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: I wanted to get left at my grandmother's And because

1242
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 4: of that. Katie Bell Henderson a black woman born in

1243
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 4: near Birmingham, Alabama, but raised on the South side of Chicago.

1244
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 4: So she was Chicago tough. She she wasn't deep South.

1245
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 4: She was she was more Chicago and you know Chicago,

1246
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 4: both of you do, okay. So she saw what was happening,

1247
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 4: and she was she was my mother, you know, she

1248
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 4: just took over and like five six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

1249
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 4: all in there in my formative form year right in there,

1250
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 4: it's Katie Bell taking over my life. She's my role model,

1251
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 4: she's my guidance counselor. And she was hard on me.

1252
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 4: She was not afraid. It wasn't like she's playing like

1253
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 4: the old black lady, you know, like that's that's not

1254
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 4: how it was. She would treat me by the shoulders

1255
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 4: and shake me. She taught me the word hypocrite when

1256
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 4: I was seven years old, which I did not know.

1257
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 4: She said, you're being a hypocrite. Shake me.

1258
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 5: No.

1259
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 4: She would tell me the evils of alcohol. You can't

1260
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: start just look look, look what scorn was all.

1261
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: Through my family.

1262
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 4: I'm from extended family. Don't start just don't don't. And

1263
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 4: she taught me right and wrong, and I have good

1264
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 4: right and wrong in me. I have decent character. And

1265
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 4: it all came from that woman. I'm telling you, as

1266
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 4: God is my witness, I would not be the same.

1267
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 4: I would not be stable without what she brought into

1268
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 4: my life when it really mattered, and it also helped me.

1269
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 4: She had a granddaughter named Audrey who would come every

1270
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 4: summer and stay with her for three months of the

1271
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 4: summer from Chicago. So I got left over there. And

1272
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 4: so now I'm six seven and eight and I'm making

1273
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 4: up games in the backyard with Audrey, my age from

1274
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 4: the South side of Chicago. You want to talk about education,

1275
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 4: because Oklahoma City was still segregated, but it's not deep South.

1276
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like like wrong band, you know, like

1277
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 4: it's that's not the sort of the mood of the city.

1278
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 4: And so for me, even though it was segregated, I

1279
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 4: got to interact with this black girl from from Chicago.

1280
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 4: This is gold Man because I'm getting it, I'm feeling it.

1281
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 4: And the main thing Katie Bill taught me was we're

1282
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 4: all the same. We're pieces of God, every one of us.

1283
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 4: You're that callor you're that color, I'm this colle okay,

1284
01:07:51,960 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 4: pieces of God. And if he was okay, yeah, okay, okay,

1285
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 4: it's okay, yeah.

1286
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 2: All right.

1287
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 4: So the final piece to my puzzle was my wife, Earnsteine,

1288
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 4: sitting across from us. Five years ago. She had a

1289
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 4: what do you call him? A shaman mystic uh okay,

1290
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 4: named Joseph, a black man from New Orleans living in

1291
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 4: New York City that she had connected with, and he

1292
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 4: really enlightened her over the phone. He could see things

1293
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 4: in her life that that she was blown away by.

1294
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 4: So she said, just try it. I said, I don't

1295
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 4: buy it. I'm not I'm not there. She said, just

1296
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 4: just open your mind up a little bit. This isn't

1297
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 4: like therapy. Just just see what he has to say

1298
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 4: about your life and times. Maybe he'll give you just

1299
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 4: a tidbit that that will really open you up somehow.

1300
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 4: So I get on with Joseph. I don't know, it's

1301
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 4: kind of awkward. How do we start?

1302
01:08:58,439 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 2: What do we do?

1303
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 4: He said, as well, tell me what you want to

1304
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 4: know from me? I said, really nothing. So we're just

1305
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 4: going back and forth and it's not it's not cool.

1306
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, Joseph says, and there's no

1307
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 4: way he could know any of this. He says, somebody

1308
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 4: wants to join us, and I'm like, stop, you know

1309
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 4: somebody wants to join us. And he said, yeah, it's

1310
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 4: a woman. And my first flash is it's my mom.

1311
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 4: If you're buying into this what we're doing, and I don't.

1312
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 4: I don't want to communicate with my mom.

1313
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 2: I'm good.

1314
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 4: I put that dressed into bed. God bless her, you know,

1315
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 4: like I made peace with that. I don't need to

1316
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 4: redo all that. And he says, it's a black woman.

1317
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 4: And I'm like what, because I you know, we lost

1318
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 4: Katy Bill when I was in college, so it's been

1319
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: a long time, you know since I really thought. I mean,

1320
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 4: she's in my heart, but I don't think about her

1321
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 4: on a daily basis. I said, Katie Bill. He says, yeah,

1322
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 4: Katie Bell. And she wants you to know how proud

1323
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 4: she is of you. That's the God's truth. She wants

1324
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 4: you to know how proud she is of you. Well,

1325
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 4: I just I got tears in my eyes because of

1326
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 4: all the things that have ever happened in my whole life.

1327
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 4: Nothing from my father, my mother, even from Ernestine, my wife,

1328
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 4: nothing could mean as much as me being told whether

1329
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 4: you buy this or not, but but it rang true

1330
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 4: at the moment, she wants you to know how proud

1331
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 4: she is of you. And I don't think Joseph could

1332
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 4: have had any idea because my wife barely knows about

1333
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 4: Katie Bell and all the details of it, so it's

1334
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 4: not like she could prep him tee him up for this.

1335
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 2: That was the spirits, Yeah, it was.

1336
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 4: It was spiritual. It came from somewhere else, so that

1337
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 4: when you say, do I need therapy? I got Katie

1338
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 4: Bell in my heart. And you can laugh if you want,

1339
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 4: but that's the God's truth.

1340
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing, h I mean, obviously that was

1341
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 3: very personal. I appreciate you opening up and sharing that

1342
01:10:59,479 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 3: with us.

1343
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 5: After college, you quickly became a star journalist Dallas Morning

1344
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 5: News columnists the twenty six years old.

1345
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: What are your best memories of covering the game as

1346
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 2: a younger man.

1347
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 4: I had so many good ones. I've been so blessed. Well,

1348
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 4: you and I share something, mister Jackson, A misguided love

1349
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 4: for the Dallas Cowboys.

1350
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's not misgott it.

1351
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 5: You know, you know it's very misguid It's not misguided.

1352
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: We want a championship more recent than y'all. But we've

1353
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: been there enough. We sniffed it. Y'all been there, but

1354
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: y'all lost. Y'all have we kind of losses?

1355
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 5: Now? Are we doing that again? Yeah, we want a

1356
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 5: championship more recent than y'all. Fact of fiction, facts, but

1357
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 5: y'all still suck. But go ahead, skip. It's not about

1358
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 5: I don't like the facts though. They don't like the

1359
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 5: facts though.

1360
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm being interviewed here, Thank you, thank you. It

1361
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 4: was like a god thing. I wind up as the

1362
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 4: lead columnists of the Dallas Morning News right on time

1363
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 4: for what was actually the beginning of the end of

1364
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 4: the Landry Dynasty, and I got to live inside it.

1365
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 4: I got to know Roger Staubat really well. And those

1366
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 4: teams had huge star power, Tony dor Set, Charlie Waters

1367
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 4: and Cliff Harris. I don't know, if it goes back

1368
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 4: a little before your time, you're kind of being molded

1369
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 4: as a cowboy, die hard. I went to my first

1370
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 4: game when I was ten. My uncle in Dallas took

1371
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 4: me to the Old Cotton Bowlt to see the Cowboys

1372
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 4: play a team that was my favorite team at the

1373
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 4: time because it was the only team we could get

1374
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 4: on television in Oklahoma City was the then Saint Louis Cardinals.

1375
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 4: They were a high flying, offensive juggernaut, and so I

1376
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 4: wanted to see them play this Cowboy expansion team. And

1377
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 4: of course I sit in my seat and within five

1378
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 4: minutes I'm looking down at those stars. They had them

1379
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 4: on the helmet and on the shoulder pads, and I'm saying, love,

1380
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 4: I want me some of that, right, And then you're

1381
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 4: just you're lost.

1382
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: You who's the first player you fell in love?

1383
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 5: First Cowboy player that you attached the Cowboys today you

1384
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 5: fell in love with?

1385
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 2: Mine? Was Bill Bates?

1386
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 4: Really, Yes, I'm interesting. I knew him.

1387
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: He was an animal.

1388
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 4: Well, he's just crazy.

1389
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 2: Flying down the field. Yeah, that was my guy. Bill

1390
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: Bates is my guy.

1391
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 4: Okay, Well Starbach was my guy just because listen, I

1392
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 4: know he's before most of the times of the people

1393
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 4: who are watching our show right now, But Roger Stabach

1394
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 4: was it. He was beyond Aikman, beyond Don Meredith. He

1395
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 4: was the ultimate competitor. And speaking of basketball, later after

1396
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 4: he retired back in my twenties. I played with and

1397
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 4: against him a lot of basketball, and he was completely

1398
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 4: psycho as a basketball really like like crazy, competitive, was

1399
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 4: like scary crazy.

1400
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: Like a good crazy. I don't know, he wasn't good,

1401
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: he was just.

1402
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 4: I had a friend. You won't know this guy named

1403
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 4: pat too May. He's a great rid played for the

1404
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 4: Cowboys as a defensive end. He was really good. It's

1405
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 4: before your time, but he was. He was a good

1406
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 4: basketball player and he's six six. So we used to

1407
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 4: play Roger two on two with a guy from his work.

1408
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 4: He just easing into his real estate career at that point,

1409
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 4: and one day we just beat the hell out of

1410
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 4: him because Patick comes set picks for me and Roger

1411
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 4: couldn't get to the pick because he's a mountain of

1412
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 4: a man, and I would just get off the pick

1413
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 4: and make shots. And it was driving Roger crazy. So

1414
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,839
Speaker 4: he rescheduled another game against us and brought Cliff Harris.

1415
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 4: Do you remember Cliff Harris. It's again before your time,

1416
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 4: but he was Bill Bates before Bill Bates, and he

1417
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 4: was certifiably crazy. They called him Crash because he had

1418
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 4: no scruples, you know, like he didn't care about his body.

1419
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 4: So Roger brought Cliff Harris to guard me, which is

1420
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 4: hitting a NAT with a sledgehammer, right, And that's what happened,

1421
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 4: you know. It was sledgehammer on NAT. But that was

1422
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 4: Roger because he's not going to lose to the sports writer,

1423
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 4: the sports car. He's just not going to do it.

1424
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 4: He's gonna take me. Cliff's gonna take me out, Okay,

1425
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 4: So he he was. I was in awe of him,

1426
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 4: but I had the blessing of just getting to know

1427
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 4: him in those teams. So even before that, I was

1428
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 4: at the La Times out here right out of college,

1429
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 4: and I was in the middle of stuff right and

1430
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 4: left that The Steve Garvey Dodgers were huge at that

1431
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 4: point with Ron Say and David Lopes, and they didn't

1432
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 4: like Steve Garvey and they didn't like his wife. So

1433
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 4: I got that they came to me and wanted me

1434
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 4: to write the story. So I was always in the

1435
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 4: middle of something like Controversy found me a lot in

1436
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 4: my writing career, and I don't know why, but I

1437
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 4: didn't run from it.

1438
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,560
Speaker 2: Attack m favorite team to cover, most favorite team to

1439
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 2: cover of.

1440
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 4: All time, Yes, ninety eight Bulls. I mean last dance.

1441
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 4: I'm dancing, man, I'm there. Michael liked me, and he

1442
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 4: didn't like many in the media. But I don't know why.

1443
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 4: I think he liked me because I was my own

1444
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 4: guy and I didn't care what anybody thought. And he

1445
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 4: got a kick out of me, and and he opened

1446
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 4: to me and would call me if I left him

1447
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 4: a message, he'd call me back. And listen that championship

1448
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 4: run with that team, watching that stuff unfold because they

1449
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 4: went against Reggie's Pacers, and it was a battle of

1450
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:26,520
Speaker 4: royal man. It was seven games with controversy just spilling

1451
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 4: right and left because Phil would get into it with

1452
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,799
Speaker 4: the referees and and it got that Reggie and company.

1453
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 4: They forced it all the way to game seven. Chris

1454
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 4: Mallen was on that team and the Davis's and yeah

1455
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 4: they were they were legit now and Reggie was obviously

1456
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 4: a legit shooter. Score and they got it to game

1457
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 4: seven and then Michael said it no, not in my house.

1458
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 4: So that was the end of that. But that's my

1459
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 4: favorite team by far.

1460
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,480
Speaker 5: Which player was your best interview?

1461
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 4: You know, I've been thinking about this because the World

1462
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 4: Series just ended. Reggie Jackson, do you know do you

1463
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 4: do you have a field.

1464
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 3: I just got to to pat you off. I just

1465
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 3: got a chance to play in his celebrity softball game.

1466
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 3: It was the last game in the coliseum.

1467
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: Wow at the baseball game he played? Yeah, yeah, did.

1468
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: You incredible his energy or the passion he still speaks

1469
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 3: with like he was really cool game.

1470
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 2: So let's go golf.

1471
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, really you should take him up.

1472
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 2: Definitely, Definitely, he's done in county now really?

1473
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 4: Wow? Yep, okay, so name he was coming off a

1474
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 4: game six at Yankee Stadium in which he had hit

1475
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 4: three straight runs on three straight pitches. Never see anything

1476
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 4: like that. They're in Fort Lauderdale for spring training. The

1477
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 4: LA Times assigned me to do a big sit down

1478
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 4: if I could get him to sit down. And I'm

1479
01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 4: a nobody kid reporter on twenty four four probably and

1480
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 4: I caught him as he was entering on a Sunday

1481
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 4: morning before an afternoon game in Fort Lauderdown. You know

1482
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 4: what it was in Baltimore? I mean it was Baltimore's

1483
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 4: in Miami because the baltim the Oriels were in Miami,

1484
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 4: so it was at their ballpark, the old Municipal State

1485
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 4: in Miami. Anyway, I caught him, introduced myself, and he

1486
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 4: couldn't have been nicer than me. And I don't know why,

1487
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 4: because he was big. He was because baseball was way

1488
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 4: bigger than it is now. So he was NFL, NBA stature.

1489
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 4: He was lift off. You know, he was the biggest

1490
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 4: name in sports because he was always into it with

1491
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 4: Billy Martin. And he said, let's do this, and he

1492
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 4: sat down in his locker and I just caught him.

1493
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 4: You know how, we're all in moods, and I caught

1494
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 4: him in a good mood, and he just gushed to

1495
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 4: me and that man is brilliant about sports life, what's

1496
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 4: really happening. And I was just mesmerized, but I got law.

1497
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,799
Speaker 4: I was just taking notes and I would get lost

1498
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 4: in what he was saying because it was so pure

1499
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 4: to me and it was so enlightening. And then I

1500
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 4: would see him occasionally because I was in in Dallas

1501
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 4: and he would come to play the Rangers at Arlington

1502
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 4: Stadium and he would always remember my name, and so

1503
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 4: he's my that's my guy. We had him on Undisputed

1504
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 4: at least one time, and I'm in all of his presence,

1505
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 4: just his all. You can feel it, right, you want

1506
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 4: to talk about a powerful human being God to watch

1507
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 4: him swing and unleash.

1508
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 5: The game we played in I think a Rod asked

1509
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 5: me a question of what he went through when he

1510
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 5: was playing. That went viral and broke down, really really

1511
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 5: broke down and broke it what he went through as

1512
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 5: a player.

1513
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, we played at some charity softball game in Alabama

1514
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,919
Speaker 3: at the first ballpark what was it called Dammit Banham

1515
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 3: in Birmingham, Yeah, Burmah.

1516
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 4: I watched it.

1517
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1518
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 3: You had a quote saying I made some money on TV.

1519
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 3: Now it's time to make my mark. You've obviously transitioned

1520
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 3: off a very successful linear journalistic career. Yep, you're transferring

1521
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: over into this new form of sports media. I guess

1522
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 3: it is. It's the new wave. What do you expect?

1523
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 3: How you liking it? And have you kind of found

1524
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 3: your footing yet?

1525
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 4: I am more excited than I've ever been because I'm

1526
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 4: challenged like I've never been. You guys know this landscape

1527
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 4: way better than I do. And I'm serious, I'm like

1528
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 4: chasing you guys now. But I needed this. I wanted this.

1529
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 4: I know I can do it. We're taking baby steps.

1530
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 4: We're developing three other shows than my current podcast, which

1531
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 4: is Solo Podcasts, never even had a guest on it.

1532
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 4: But but we've got three in the works and we're

1533
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 4: expanding and we're excited. So it's a brave, new world

1534
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 4: and frontier again. I'm learning from you guys. I'm watching

1535
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 4: closely how you do it. It's been educational to see

1536
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 4: what scope you have here and how your crew operates,

1537
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 4: and how this show operates. I'm learning and I'm starting fresh,

1538
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 4: and I like it that I'm against all odds because

1539
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 4: that's when I'm at my best.

1540
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 2: I like that.

1541
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 3: Where do you think you know? I always feel like

1542
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 3: you know in this space, there's been a huge shift.

1543
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 3: Athletes voices are more present than ever. Where do you

1544
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 3: feel the ESPNS and Fox kind of sit in this

1545
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 3: new era where I always feel like they'll be there,

1546
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 3: but if they're not, necessarily you have to be there

1547
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 3: now to be heard or be seen. Where do you

1548
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 3: kind of feel like traditional or I hate to say

1549
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,799
Speaker 3: old school, but almost old school ish media sits compared

1550
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: to this new wave of digital media.

1551
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 4: I think you answered your question as you asked it,

1552
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 4: because you guys' voices are much more powerful, your platforms

1553
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 4: are more powerful and than they used to be. And

1554
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 4: it's everywhere because of digital so your voices can resonate

1555
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 4: and echo louder than they they used to. And it's

1556
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 4: a beautiful thing to watch. But is there still room

1557
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 4: for people who didn't play, who also have a different

1558
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: perspective on it? Sure there is, so do I think

1559
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 4: studio shows will go completely away? I hope not. I'm

1560
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 4: knocking on would from our friends in the business. But

1561
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 4: this is the new way, and this is where you

1562
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 4: have to go if you're going to survive in this business.

1563
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

1564
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 3: Just the other night we saw a huge meltdown by

1565
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 3: Dylan's Yankees in the fifth inning they gave the Dodgers

1566
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 3: six outset inning, and yeah, and gave them the World Series.

1567
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: Just thoughts on that series. I really thought Yankees had

1568
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 3: a sloppy season. I feel like, very talented, but I

1569
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 3: think they're you know, they're sloppiness up to But I

1570
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 3: really felt like there's a lot of great baseball in

1571
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 3: this actual World Series the world.

1572
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 4: Yes, I haven't gotten over the fifth inning of what

1573
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 4: became a close out game that I did not see

1574
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 4: coming because it's five to nothing. Judge has found his stroke.

1575
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 4: He's escaped his slump. It looked like he was back.

1576
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 4: It looked like they were back. Stanton was back, Soto

1577
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 4: was back, and it felt like they were taking charge.

1578
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 4: And so I couldn't wait for We're taking the front.

1579
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 4: But what was going to be tonight a Friday night

1580
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 4: game six? Because it was going to get really interesting,

1581
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 4: especially if somehow the Yankees could maintain the momentum and

1582
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 4: get it to a game seven, then we could talk

1583
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 4: all time classic. And it's five to nothing, and it

1584
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 4: felt like fifty to nothing to me because Garrett Cale

1585
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 4: looked invincible to me. He looked untouchable to me, and

1586
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,480
Speaker 4: he was so poised and so in command and control

1587
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 4: that I'm saying he might just go nine and just

1588
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 4: shut them out and do something that we hadn't seen

1589
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 4: since the days of my all time favorite baseball player

1590
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 4: Bob Gibson and my old Saint Louis Cardinals, who would

1591
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 4: just shut you out in two hours and two minutes

1592
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 4: and you'd beat the next game.

1593
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1594
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 4: It's what we used to call a can of corn

1595
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 4: fly ball. It's as routine as it gets to Aaron Judge,

1596
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 4: and he just muffs it because he took his eye

1597
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 4: off it for a split second. But it's something little

1598
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 4: kids don't do when they're seven or eight years old.

1599
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 4: It's just you just can't do that at that moment.

1600
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 4: But that now the floodgates still haven't opened yet. Then

1601
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 4: it's a pretty routine ground ball to Volpie and it's

1602
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 4: a pretty routine force out at third, and he just

1603
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 4: he gets a little too fine with it, just dirt balls,

1604
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 4: and it's it's like a ten foot throw. It felt like,

1605
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 4: you know, okay, but you're still you're still okay, and

1606
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 4: it's ground ball to first, and Garrett Cole just loses

1607
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 4: his mind for a second and he doesn't cover first.

1608
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 4: And now the floodgates have opened because you've done the

1609
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 4: three things in one inning that I didn't think you

1610
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 4: were capable of doing one thing in one inning, and

1611
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 4: you've tripled it. You've gone triple jeopardy to the point

1612
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 4: that you could just see the body language of the

1613
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 4: Dodgers like, we're gonna give us this seriously, And the

1614
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 4: floodgates open into the Yankees credit. They fought back and

1615
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 4: took the lead again, but you just knew what was coming.

1616
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 4: That was coming, okay.

1617
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 3: After every ear they made, I was telling Dylan, the

1618
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 3: baseball guys don't like this, Dylan, the baseball gods don't.

1619
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 2: They just don't. Baseball godsill like hot topic.

1620
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 3: Obviously, coming off what from the outside looking in was

1621
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 3: a very successful season for the WNBA, with the growth

1622
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 3: of the game and the young stars coming in the game.

1623
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,759
Speaker 3: But when you look at the numbers, the league lost

1624
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 3: over forty million dollars. Do you see light at the

1625
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 3: end of the tunnel, and you, obviously because you were around,

1626
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 3: do you see any similarities to where the w is

1627
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 3: at this point and where the NBA was in their

1628
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 3: twenty seventh or twenty eighth year.

1629
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 4: I'm trying to step back from it and comprehend what

1630
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:35,879
Speaker 4: just happened to this league. I wasn't a big Caitlin

1631
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 4: Clark fan when she was at Iowa, though I got

1632
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 4: into it a little more in the final four, and

1633
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 4: certainly the final game, I found myself captivated watching her,

1634
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:49,799
Speaker 4: and I don't obviously she brought a lot more white

1635
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 4: people back to watch the game, but it seemed to

1636
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 4: all swirl around her whatever new popularity like. I'm not

1637
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 4: sure she saved it, but but she changed the game,

1638
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 4: and I still can't quite explain why, because I thought

1639
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 4: she was just a three point shooter and I didn't

1640
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 4: see this at Iowa. But but she's a lebron Asque

1641
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 4: passer of the basketball. Yes, okay, so I didn't see

1642
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 4: that coming. And she led the league by far and assists.

1643
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 4: But she shattered, I mean, like obliterated the all time

1644
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,640
Speaker 4: turnover record and it wasn't She did it by like

1645
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 4: seventy five turnovers. Because she will try anything at any moment,

1646
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 4: thread the needle where there's seventeen hands in between and

1647
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 4: you're not going to get the basketball through, and she

1648
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 4: tries to get it through. But every once in a while,

1649
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 4: she'll throw some lead pass like Wes Unseld used to.

1650
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 4: You know, Kevin loves good ad. But she'll throw some

1651
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 4: lead passes just it's a touchdown, you know, where she'll

1652
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 4: hit somebody right in the hands for a lamp. You say, pooh,

1653
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 4: that's that's lebron ask. She has an effortless distance stroke

1654
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 4: the logo where was she jump shoots and a lot

1655
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 4: of the women before it weren't jumped their set shooters.

1656
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 4: They're like feet on the floor shooters. But she can

1657
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 4: actually leave her feet and hold the post and flick

1658
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 4: a wrist and get it that. As you guys know,

1659
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 4: it's a long easy man. It's not that easy to

1660
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 4: get the ball to the basket. And she'll make an

1661
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 4: occasional logo shot where I'll say, huh, that is obviously

1662
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 4: Steph like. Yet she's not a very good consistent three

1663
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 4: point shooter because her percentage was like thirty three percent.

1664
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 4: It was way down the list of three point shooters.

1665
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 4: Plus she's high volume, low make. And yet she completely

1666
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 4: changed the way that team plays basketball. And I got

1667
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 4: addicted to watching that team, not just because of her,

1668
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 4: because all of them, because it worked. Now they've fired

1669
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 4: their coach because they are going to bring in a

1670
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 4: better coach. They think they get the Connecticut coach.

1671
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 2: I guess.

1672
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 4: So my answer to all that, it's a great question.

1673
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 4: But all I know is I started watching because I

1674
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 4: was mesmerized by how great she was and how bad

1675
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 4: she was all at the same time, and it was

1676
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 4: captivating to my eyes. I don't know, so she became it.

1677
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 4: She's not very strong. She needs to get a lot stronger,

1678
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 4: and they're taking the ball away from her. But help

1679
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 4: me out. Would you watch her?

1680
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1681
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm really I enjoyed the W as a whole,

1682
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 3: and and we're working on kind of a little bit

1683
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 3: of a passion piece, kind of comparing where the W

1684
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 3: is now compared to the NBA was then, you know,

1685
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 3: and almost comparing, not because we still you have to

1686
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 3: see what these women are going to do, but kind

1687
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 3: of how Magic and Bird brought some life to the game.

1688
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 3: Caitlin and Angel brought some game life to the game.

1689
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 3: How there's a Juju and mj were coming down the

1690
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 3: pipeline with new breath, frash air in the game. There's

1691
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 3: you know, there's a gainful of similarities to where they

1692
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 3: are and in their respective times. Yeah, quick hitters, man,

1693
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 3: this has been amazing. First thing to come to mind.

1694
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 3: Let us know your this is gonna get spicy. Top

1695
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,959
Speaker 3: ten in NBA players of all time.

1696
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 4: Of all time, all the time, she warned me. And

1697
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 4: I would have brought my list in my man Tyler's

1698
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 4: over here, maybe he could help me. Yeah, okay, so

1699
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 4: I think we all can agree on the number one

1700
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 4: name on that list, Jeffrey, Yes, thank you, Jeffrey. And

1701
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 4: I've got Magic too, And now I wish I had

1702
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 4: my list. I think I had Shack three kream four,

1703
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 4: Duncan five, Okay, Bill Russell, Kobe seventh, Larry eighth, and

1704
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 4: lebron Is ninth. Okay in Wilts, thank.

1705
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 2: You, Tyler.

1706
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 3: Any Larry Bird stories can you give us one? I'm

1707
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 3: a huge fan of Larry Bird.

1708
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 4: Two quick ones. So I'm at the Final Four, nineteen

1709
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 4: seventy nine, Salt Lake City. Gil Brandt then the Cowboys

1710
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:59,799
Speaker 4: GM would always run a hospitality suite for the college

1711
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 4: basketball coaches under the auspices of he's trying to find

1712
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 4: the next Steven Jackson who can be a tight end

1713
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 4: for him that can sort of transfer height speed over

1714
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 4: into football.

1715
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 2: Allegedly.

1716
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 4: I think he just wanted to be a powerbroker. But

1717
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 4: he would have all the best coaches come through the

1718
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 4: suite because they weren't all participating in the Final Four.

1719
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 4: So on Sunday, ahead of the Monday night game, which

1720
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 4: is going to be Bird Magic Indiana State Michigan State,

1721
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 4: I'm in the hospitality suite and Gil pulls me aside

1722
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,879
Speaker 4: and he said, listen, I've talked to all the best coaches,

1723
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 4: Dean Smith, the Bobby Knights. They don't believe Larry Bird

1724
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 4: can play at the next level. I said, seriously, because

1725
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 4: I hadn't been able to see I saw him in

1726
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 4: the semi final, but it wasn't enough. I think they

1727
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 4: played de Paul Mark acguire, who I got to know

1728
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 4: in Dallas, and he said, yeah, the quote I keep

1729
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 4: hearing is Larry Bird is too slow footed to make

1730
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 4: it in the NBA. So I wrote a piece for

1731
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 4: Monday Warnings, Dallas Morning News newspaper, in which I said

1732
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 4: that there are coaches here who don't believe Larry Bird

1733
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 4: can play. I didn't say it, but I said there

1734
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 4: are those here, because I don't think he was making

1735
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,839
Speaker 4: that up or exaggerating that they lose obviously to Magic

1736
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 4: and Gregory Kelser, who was that were just too good

1737
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 4: for what Larry had in the nited state. And uh,

1738
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 4: that was real, like really really wrong because he could

1739
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 4: really really play for a thousand other reasons than slow

1740
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 4: feed because anticipating steals, he got his hands on a

1741
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 4: lot of basketballs defensively where slow feet didn't really come

1742
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 4: into play. And obviously he's shooting him back behind his

1743
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 4: head and it's like Kevin Durant, you just he's six

1744
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 4: y nine. You're not gonna be able to bother that

1745
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 4: shot a whole lot, and he was just deadly, especially

1746
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 4: when it mattered the most, and a great passer. So

1747
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 4: I'm in Dallas at Reunion Arena. I don't know if

1748
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 4: you ever played at old reunions, probably before your time,

1749
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 4: but he came for to play and was at a

1750
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 4: shoot around, and I just went up to him and

1751
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 4: apologized to him, and said he didn't care who I

1752
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 4: was or what I was, but I just apologized to him.

1753
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 4: So then we fast forward to the eighty six All

1754
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 4: Star Games played in Dallas, and it's the one in

1755
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 4: which he's in the three point contest where he shoots

1756
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 4: the last one and puts his finger up in the

1757
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 4: air while it's in the air, I got you, okay,

1758
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 4: And I'm told from a Mavericks insider who was in

1759
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 4: the locker room. I remember, this is nineteen eighty six.

1760
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 4: There's only one human who could get away with this.

1761
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 4: But do you know this story about what he said

1762
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,879
Speaker 4: to his opponents?

1763
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 2: I heard a little bit before it, okay.

1764
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 4: So he walks into the locker room and it's only

1765
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 4: how many guys are in the three point eight and

1766
01:33:55,120 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 4: all the rest of them are not white, And Larry

1767
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 4: Bird says to them, this is what I was told,

1768
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 4: which one of you?

1769
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: And you knows huh no, oh, word word theliest word

1770
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 1: in the history of the human language, abolished, is going

1771
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: is going to finish second?

1772
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 4: Which one of you is going to finish seconds? They say, Okay,

1773
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 4: there's only one human and this is nineteen eighty six.

1774
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 4: Who could get away with that?

1775
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 2: To me?

1776
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 4: And it's that guy, That's what I was doing. But

1777
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 4: it's that guy. And they already knew what he was

1778
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,759
Speaker 4: because he's winning championships and m vps. So I assume

1779
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 4: I think it's Craig Hodges was the best of his opponents,

1780
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 4: and they're probably just.

1781
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 2: Like, damn you. Okay, fuck you too?

1782
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 3: Ye?

1783
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to Bird's created. He used to get white,

1784
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 5: I mean get mad when white guy's gardener. They said

1785
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 5: that was the insult. Nobody can Okay.

1786
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 2: Eight mile race, you broun tyreek Hill and Mookie Betts.

1787
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 2: Who wins? Who are the.

1788
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 5: You bron bron you braun tyreek Hill and Mookie Betts hate.

1789
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a question my race. I'm going

1790
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 2: with you.

1791
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 4: I think I might beat him by a mile.

1792
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to skip.

1793
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, when have any of those humans the

1794
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:32,560
Speaker 4: three miles. Okay, it's what I do every day. It

1795
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 4: wouldn't be fair. And it says nothing about me athletically whatsoever,

1796
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 4: except I'm in really good shape. Yeah yeah, but athletically

1797
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 4: it says zero. But they would have no chance. And

1798
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 4: if any of them, I would like to do it,

1799
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 4: if any of the if they're listening watching, now, let's go,

1800
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 4: I'll be there and bring your wallet hardly.

1801
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:00,600
Speaker 3: And Skip what makes Skip Bayless happy?

1802
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 4: My wife does make me very happy, yes, I must admit.

1803
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 4: And my dog Hazel makes me very happy as she

1804
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 4: knows Maltese. As she ate now eight then she's ate.

1805
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 4: But those two keep me right. That they keep me upright.

1806
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 4: They they make me very happy. Tonight is date night

1807
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 4: and I'm looking forward to it. And I can say

1808
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 4: this about my wife, God's truth. Not once in my

1809
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 4: life with her, and we started in five, we got

1810
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:41,679
Speaker 4: married in sixteen, but so five we're almost twenty years together.

1811
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 4: There's never been one moment with her I've been bored,

1812
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 4: not one moment. I do play golf, but I don't

1813
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 4: play cards with the guys on Wednesday night. I don't

1814
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 4: go out with the guys on Friday night, I just

1815
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 4: want to be with her. I'm obsessed with what I

1816
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 4: do and it makes me very happy. Because it's Saturday.

1817
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 4: Is fine, but I only look forward to the time

1818
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 4: with her because every second I have not doing this

1819
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 4: thing this microphone is dedicated to her and too Hazel,

1820
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 4: and so she does make me very happy, whether she

1821
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 4: believes it or not, and half the time she doesn't.

1822
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 2: Again for day night, No Oaklhoma.

1823
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 4: City's at Portland watching. We're going to watch the come on.

1824
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 2: Top three Jordan's to wear. Oh god, you like the ones? Yeah,

1825
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:42,719
Speaker 2: you'll be a big one guy.

1826
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 4: You know what my top three?

1827
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 5: We used to compare shoes when I was working with Well.

1828
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 5: I used to check his drip every day less.

1829
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 4: I do like the Concords the elevens both high and lows,

1830
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 4: and so they would probably be high and low would

1831
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 4: be my second two because they're away beyond all the

1832
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 4: others that I.

1833
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 3: Had quickly explain their relationship, like, well, between you and

1834
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 3: Lil Wayne and then you guys seem like you guys

1835
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 3: are really good friends.

1836
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he loves Skipp. That's my boy.

1837
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 4: You know that he loved our show. This is pri

1838
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:21,560
Speaker 4: Stephen a and I think you helped get him to

1839
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 4: My wife helped book this, but somehow she connected with

1840
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 4: his people. And because he was playing a concert in

1841
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 4: Westchester County and outside of New York City, it was

1842
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 4: a fairly handy to hour bus ride. He was on

1843
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 4: his tour bus to come to Bristol, and he wanted

1844
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 4: to come to Bristol and be on first take. And

1845
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 4: he came to the pre show meeting which started at

1846
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 4: seven thirty in the morning. I don't think he went

1847
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 4: to bed, no, right, nope, but they literally pulled their

1848
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 4: tour bus right up to the door and we start

1849
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 4: talking across the table about Steph Curry. And it was

1850
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 4: before the Steph Blake draft. And everybody at ESPN loved

1851
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 4: Blake Griffin and I didn't because I'm an Oklahoma fan

1852
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 4: by birth, and so I'd watched Blake for two full

1853
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 4: years at Oklahoma and he could make a shot from

1854
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 4: like a foot away, seriously, but he was, as you know,

1855
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 4: extremely explosively athletic at whatever six ' ten, could jump

1856
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 4: you know, to the next county as an explosive dunker.

1857
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 4: But I don't know, I just didn't. I didn't love him.

1858
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:38,480
Speaker 4: He reinvented himself as a three point shooter and extended

1859
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 4: his career shooting threes. But I was in awe of

1860
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 4: little Steph at Davidson because I said, this is revolutionary,

1861
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 4: and I kept saying his handle is way better than people.

1862
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 4: He can play point guard because he's not a flashy passer,

1863
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 4: but he's a really good passer with a great handle,

1864
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 4: So forget just about the shooting. He can run the

1865
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 4: basket all team. So Wayne is agreeing with me, and

1866
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 4: no one had agreed with me at ESPN, and we

1867
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 4: clicked over Steph at Davidson because it's before the draft,

1868
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 4: and we agreed we would both take Steph number one

1869
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 4: in the draft above Blake And when do you go

1870
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 4: seven in the draft? Like, come on?

1871
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 2: Really?

1872
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 4: Okay? So that started it, and then he took me

1873
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 4: after the show out to the tour bus where he

1874
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 4: has a recording studio. It's like a bathroom size studio

1875
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 4: on the bus.

1876
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 2: Did you did you get a contact?

1877
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't do that.

1878
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1879
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I'm pretty susceptible to contact. And I

1880
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 4: was feeling real good.

1881
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 2: We could we could re enact that feelings.

1882
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:57,719
Speaker 4: I'm sure I should try that sometimes maybe that would

1883
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 4: would sort of calm me down. But the point is

1884
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 4: then we just clicked. I don't know, but it's pure

1885
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 4: sports you want to talk about, coming from opposite ends

1886
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,719
Speaker 4: of the earth. So it was that when he moved

1887
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,679
Speaker 4: out here four years ago, my wife and I would

1888
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 4: go visit him. I don't know, every couple of months.

1889
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 4: We'd drive out to hidden hills out in the valley.

1890
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 4: And I know people won't believe this, but we would

1891
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 4: sit and talk, the three of us. He would include

1892
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 4: her because he does love her and has like a

1893
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 4: big sister, and we would just talk about not about

1894
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 4: sports because she's not the biggest sports fan. We would

1895
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 4: just talk life stuff, show stuff, I don't know, music stuff,

1896
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 4: behind the scenes stuff, a little sports. She says that

1897
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 4: it would work its way in, but but we would

1898
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 4: talk for four straight hours with no bathroom breaks, no food,

1899
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:53,679
Speaker 4: and no drink but occasional puffs, you know, right, yeah, okay,

1900
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 4: so but that's but we would sit outside because Ernestine

1901
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 4: doesn't deal great with the smoke. We just sit out

1902
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 4: on the back. Poorchold. You just talk, okay, So that's

1903
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,480
Speaker 4: how it, that's how it happens.

1904
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 2: And whatever. People don't know wherever Wayne is.

1905
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 5: He's in the studio nominally from like eight in the

1906
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 5: evening to like nine in the morning. Normally, whatever he

1907
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 5: is basketball sports is on every TV. There's no TV,

1908
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 5: no shows, and sports on every whatever game is on ESPN,

1909
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 5: Like that's all he watched all night long.

1910
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 2: That's that's why he knows so much about sports.

1911
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 4: He is obsessed and also brilliant, like deep brilliant. My

1912
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 4: favorite communication with him is text because we kind of

1913
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 4: play can you top this when we're going back and forth,

1914
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,600
Speaker 4: and I would look at the text chains and I

1915
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 4: would say this, this, this could be a book. He

1916
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 4: knows what he's talking about. And it's like deep passionate

1917
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 4: deep passion of what makes somebody tick tick, you know,

1918
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,640
Speaker 4: like what's really happening with so and so so.

1919
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 3: He didn't see it a lot covered Mike Tyson in

1920
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 3: his prime. Yeah, thoughts on the upcoming fight with him

1921
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 3: and Paul at Jerry's World where Jerry, Okay, you're welcome.

1922
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 2: I'll be there.

1923
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:10,719
Speaker 5: No, I know, I told you he was coming because

1924
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 5: any otherwise you can come down there, you eed the

1925
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 5: j Macney I can come. I called it, like Jerry,

1926
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 5: I'm bringing some party niners fans from Kelly.

1927
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 2: They cool.

1928
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Speaker 5: He was like, yeah, they're cool because it's a boxing match.

1929
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Speaker 5: But if it was a game, y'all couldn't come in.

1930
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Speaker 3: Okay, cool, exactly, skip the call in too.

1931
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Speaker 4: The closer we get, the more fascinated I get by it,

1932
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 4: because at first I scoffed like everybody else did, and

1933
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 4: then I start to think, that guy, there's some special guys,

1934
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 4: you know, who are just special, special whatever they're made of. Obviously,

1935
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 4: Mike didn't take care of himself when it was time

1936
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 4: to take care of or he could have done whatever

1937
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 4: he wanted to do. But when he was right, he

1938
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,719
Speaker 4: was the baddest on the planet and arguably the baddest

1939
01:43:54,760 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 4: who ever walked, ever walked. And whatever that quality is

1940
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 4: is still percolating inside there. Yes, and he looks like

1941
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 4: he's in pretty good shape, because I'm in really good shape.

1942
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 4: And so I look at it and I say, he's

1943
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:21,400
Speaker 4: fifty eight. Okay, okay. So at first I thought, there's

1944
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 4: no way he can beat this kid, because this kid's

1945
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 4: pretty athletic in his decent behind he does. Then I

1946
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 4: start watching it. I don't know what Jake's doing, but

1947
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 4: but he looked like he put on a little weight

1948
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 4: to me, just to just paunchy, excess weight that he

1949
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,479
Speaker 4: does not need. And I start thinking, is Jake really

1950
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 4: taking this as seriously as you better take that? I

1951
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 4: hope he is. Or I know they're wearing big old

1952
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 4: pillowcase gloves, you know, like pillows. But still Mike could

1953
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:55,640
Speaker 4: hurt him. If if Mike goes like Haywire screwy, you know,

1954
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 4: like where he calls upon that thing that's it's locked

1955
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 4: deep down side, then he could do some damage.

1956
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:07,720
Speaker 5: But that's why I feel scared for Jake, because the

1957
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 5: best boxes are the ones that can inflict pain but

1958
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 5: also mentally in control. The best one was Floyd Terrence

1959
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 5: carp for those type of guys. So Mike is more

1960
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 5: peace than he's ever been. That's what's scary. That he's

1961
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 5: going He's not showing up to the fight. I want

1962
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 5: to eat your kids. He showed up with how Jake did.

1963
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,679
Speaker 5: That's what's scary. So if you think Mike not showing

1964
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 5: up going crazy, it's more frightened than the calm Mike.

1965
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 2: You better think that. It's another thing you need to

1966
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 2: look at it. Bout boxing.

1967
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 3: Roy told us he wasn't. Mike was supposed to. They

1968
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 3: were supposed kind of supposed to.

1969
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 2: Chill. I saw Mike, he had movement, his powers is

1970
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 2: still there.

1971
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 4: No, he can't help. At first I thought Mike wasn't

1972
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 4: taking this very seriously. And then Jake started to insult

1973
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,600
Speaker 4: in like personal shot, insulting. And after a while you

1974
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,799
Speaker 4: could see Mike's eyes and and they're going crazy eyes

1975
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 4: like like good crazy.

1976
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 5: Like Mike had time to get his health right, like

1977
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 5: you want to play Jay, Okay, give me some time

1978
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 5: to get my health right.

1979
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to come knock your ass out. Shall

1980
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 2: see what should see? If you could see one guest

1981
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 2: on All the Smoke, who would it be? But you

1982
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 2: have to help us get your answer on the show?

1983
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:16,799
Speaker 4: Donald Trump?

1984
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,840
Speaker 2: Oh nice? I like that. Nice. I would definitely sit

1985
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 2: down with Nice.

1986
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:23,680
Speaker 4: I can't help, but yes, yeah.

1987
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 2: That's that's a good one. I like that. A lot

1988
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:27,760
Speaker 2: of people want to see that. I would like. Well,

1989
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 2: Skip Man, thank you very much.

1990
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 3: And before we get at it, I just want to think,

1991
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 3: Like I said, I've always had a lot of respect

1992
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,839
Speaker 3: and been a big fan and and in this process

1993
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 3: of finding out.

1994
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 2: We were going to get a chance to interview.

1995
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,839
Speaker 3: I got to dig deep and and do my research

1996
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 3: and kind of find out what you're about and who

1997
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 3: you're about, and and and hear you out, and it

1998
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 3: just made me.

1999
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 2: More of a fan of what you do.

2000
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:47,640
Speaker 3: It was honored to get a chance to work with

2001
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 3: you early on and definitely looking forward to seeing what

2002
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 3: you do in this next step. As hard as you work,

2003
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:54,560
Speaker 3: I know you'll be successful.

2004
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 2: Man.

2005
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 3: So we just really want to on behalf of both

2006
01:46:56,439 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 3: of us extend our you know, our biggest gratity.

2007
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:03,520
Speaker 5: And appreciation for opening that door. You know it undisputed

2008
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 5: for us too. That was big, but both thanks appreciate that.

2009
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 4: All that means a lot. I love both of you.

2010
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 4: She knows this, My wife knows this because of how

2011
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:20,559
Speaker 4: you fought, because you're both your own men, and you

2012
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 4: believe so passionately and deeply in what was down inside

2013
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 4: of you that you fought back and you have true

2014
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 4: edge to both of you why this is exactly working now.

2015
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 4: I have deep edge in me because by nature, if

2016
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:42,520
Speaker 4: you know me at heart, I'm a fighter, I'm a competitor,

2017
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 4: and I have kindred spirit to what you're achieving on

2018
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 4: this show. So God bless both.

2019
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2020
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 3: I remember reading you stop fighting high school though, that's

2021
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 3: when you give it up, skip you the scrap I

2022
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:54,600
Speaker 3: was reading that.

2023
01:47:56,680 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 2: I read about you the fift broken nose and two

2024
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 2: black guys still went to school the next day.

2025
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 4: Took one shot yea from Jamie Staley in fifth grade.

2026
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,799
Speaker 4: I took one and my nose was flatten.

2027
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 2: I did remember his name.

2028
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:14,680
Speaker 3: He wrote about that's how I do about it. I

2029
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 3: read that pieces like I love that gifts like in

2030
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 3: high school.

2031
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, but it was a sucker punch.

2032
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

2033
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:26,680
Speaker 3: Before we get out of here, we're gonna hey, thank you.

2034
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 2: We've launched the fight side of our company.

2035
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,640
Speaker 3: So we got some all the smoke, fight some all

2036
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 3: the smoke, a shirt there looking over and then we're,

2037
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 3: you know, most proud of you know, we've we've teamed

2038
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 3: up with Simon and Schuster to do our first ever podcast,

2039
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 3: first podcast ever, Soldier boy can't.

2040
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 2: Say that you ain't off the table books.

2041
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 3: So again, in honor of just your greatness and and

2042
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 3: taking the time with us, we want to make sure

2043
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 3: we get all this to you and thank you for

2044
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 3: being on.

2045
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 2: The show today.

2046
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 3: Ship thank you, yeah, give it up, Skip, thank you.

2047
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 2: Hey man, now where can you catch this episode? Yeah? Man,

2048
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 2: that's a rap.

2049
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 3: Amazing at a great time today, sitting down with with Skip.

2050
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 3: But you can catch this on all the Smoke Productions

2051
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 3: YouTube and the DraftKings Network.

2052
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week. See y'all next week. M h.

2053
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Speaker 4: Mm hmmmm mm hmm.