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Speaker 1: Paulatino back on Giants dot Com. On the Giants Huddle,

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Speaker 1: we are joined by NFL Networks Brian Boldinger. As always,

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Speaker 1: you can kick the Giants Huddle on Giants dot Com

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Speaker 1: and all your favorite podcast platforms everywhere. Brian, it's great

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Speaker 1: last few years that you've been out here to camp,

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Speaker 1: I've always been a big fan of Mark Lewinsky, going

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Speaker 1: He knows what it looks like. Um, you know, John

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing about Wink is when you look at

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