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Speaker 1: we'll join us. We'll talk about the NFL tabling the
Speaker 1: Sky Judge. Man. I was excited just to hear Joe
Speaker 1: Bucks say, and let's go to this sky Judge have
Speaker 1: a business card that says, I'm sorry, what do you
Speaker 1: do for a living? Sky Judge? Albert Breer will join us.
Speaker 1: I think what they're going to do is the replay
Speaker 1: official is going to have his job expanded a little
Speaker 1: bit and he will be the quote unquote Sky Judge.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that. Also, Jadeveon Clowney is still
Speaker 1: out there on the outside looking in. The Browns gave
Speaker 1: him a big offer. Titans are also on play and
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks, So we'll talk to him about some
Speaker 1: of the movers and shakers here with the NFL eight
Speaker 1: seven seven three D P show email address DP at
Speaker 1: dan Patrick dot com. Baseball players say no paycuts. Max
Speaker 1: Scherzer came out and pretty demons demonstratively said no, we're
Speaker 1: not going to do it here. Once again, it feels
Speaker 1: like the owners want to have this disruption with the
Speaker 1: players because you have the haves and the have nots,
Speaker 1: and this is going to create an uncomfortable discourse for
Speaker 1: everybody in baseball. You know, the owners might just look
Speaker 1: at this and say, hey, we're not going to pay
Speaker 1: you all that money because we're not going to get
Speaker 1: our money back, or we're going to open the books here.
Speaker 1: This is about negotiations, and it seems fruitless to talk
Speaker 1: about it every single day. Other than what I have said,
Speaker 1: it feels like every day is everybody needs to shut up,
Speaker 1: keep things in house, and try to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Because if you're going to do this, where you're going
Speaker 1: to ask the paying audience, your fans, to say, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you guys just sign They're probably not going
Speaker 1: to side with the players here, and that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that the players are guilty, you know. I think that
Speaker 1: they're asking for something and they want to know exactly
Speaker 1: what are the owners making here. Why don't you open
Speaker 1: your books? Why don't you let us see what you
Speaker 1: have and then understand what is at stake for you?
Speaker 1: We know what our salaries are. You print our salaries
Speaker 1: their public knowledge. But Max Scherzer is among eight players
Speaker 1: on Baseball's executive subcommittee, which means he's probably a mouthpiece
Speaker 1: for Scott Boris, his agent, and which I understand Scott
Speaker 1: Boris is trying to get the most for his clients
Speaker 1: because his clients make the most money. But Scherzer said
Speaker 1: that after discussing the latest developments with the rest of
Speaker 1: the players, there's no need to engage with MLB in
Speaker 1: any further compancy reductions. We have previously negotiated a pay
Speaker 1: cut in the version of a pro rated salary. No
Speaker 1: justification to accept a second pay cut based upon current
Speaker 1: information the union has received. All right, this doesn't matter
Speaker 1: to us on a day to day basis certainly doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to us right now. We don't care about this.
Speaker 1: Once the season starts, all you want to do is
Speaker 1: have baseball. Nobody's feeling bad for a billionaire, and you're
Speaker 1: probably not feeling bad for Max Scherzer or some of
Speaker 1: these other guys who make more than twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. But we can understand what they're giving up
Speaker 1: to come back, and the players are the ones taking
Speaker 1: the risk to come back, not these owners. So I
Speaker 1: see both sides, and I hate to go right down
Speaker 1: the middle on this, but I've been involved in these things,
Speaker 1: covering negotiations before, I've covered lockouts, I've covered strikes. I
Speaker 1: know how this works. You put out information you want
Speaker 1: put out, and on it disseminated, and then you hopefully
Speaker 1: get public sentiment on your side. And that it feels
Speaker 1: like the owner's Major League Baseball. They've leaked every possible
Speaker 1: document possibly, that's every possible document possibly, and now you
Speaker 1: have the players saying, well, wait a minute, now, we
Speaker 1: got to strike back here, and you know, it's just uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: It's a bad look for baseball. You got the NBA
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out inside in house NHL inside
Speaker 1: in house, Major League Baseball. Open the windows, open the doors, everybody,
Speaker 1: come on in. See what we got here. It's a
Speaker 1: bad look, and they got to get this under one
Speaker 1: roof here. Figure it out what makes the most sense,
Speaker 1: because we as fans don't want to hear anything about this.
Speaker 1: We don't. I couldn't care less. I want them to
Speaker 1: play baseball. Figure it out. If you don't make your
Speaker 1: money now, make it up later. If you're an owner,
Speaker 1: make it up later. If you're a player, make it
Speaker 1: up later. But we don't want to hear about it.
Speaker 1: Just play. Figure it out. Get back. There's other things
Speaker 1: to worry about. I did see this. There is a
Speaker 1: sixty seven page draft of Major League Baseball's proposed twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Operational Manual that was sent to teams on Friday,
Speaker 1: and of course it was leaked. The guidelines, first reported
Speaker 1: by The Athletic were a subject to negotiations with the
Speaker 1: Players Association. Teams are going to have fifty players each
Speaker 1: under the plan, and the number of active for each
Speaker 1: game is still being negotiated, so you have a pool
Speaker 1: of fifty players. Spitting is prohibited, along with water jugs
Speaker 1: and the use of saunas, steam rooms, pools, cryotherapy chambers,
Speaker 1: Hitting indoor cages is discouraged. Batting gloves encouraged. Batting practice
Speaker 1: pitchers wear masks. Protocols, including testing for team staff. Seating
Speaker 1: in the empty stands near the dugouts would be used
Speaker 1: to maintain distance to diagrams in the manual. The next
Speaker 1: day's starting pitcher can't sit in the dugout. Everybody must
Speaker 1: keep their distance during the Star Spangled Banner and God
Speaker 1: Bless America. Fielders are encouraged to retreat several steps away
Speaker 1: from the base runner between pitches first and third base.
Speaker 1: Coaches are not to approach base runners or umpires, and
Speaker 1: players should not socialize with opponents. I can't wait for
Speaker 1: that first argument at home plate where the manager is
Speaker 1: about six or seven feet away from the umpire guy,
Speaker 1: and then the umpires pointing back at him, and you're
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're saying. They certainly look mad
Speaker 1: at each other. Managers and coaches have to wear a
Speaker 1: mask while in the dugouts. Entire traveling party, including players,
Speaker 1: must wear personal protective equipment while on buses in flights.
Speaker 1: Restaurants off limits on the road, including ones in the
Speaker 1: hotels as our hotel fitness center. Get ready for some baseball.
Speaker 1: I got I have no idea what it's gonna look like,
Speaker 1: but now I'm really interested to seeing. And then you
Speaker 1: got guys saying, hey, I'm gonna spit. Um, you can't
Speaker 1: stop me from spitting. Okay, there's far more important things
Speaker 1: to worry about than you not being able to spit. Well,
Speaker 1: who's the Colorado Rocky that no, no, no, Charlie black Yeah,
Speaker 1: Charlie Blackman. He says he's gonna spit. Hey, Charlie, shut up.
Speaker 1: Just go ahead and spit. You don't have to tell
Speaker 1: us you're gonna spit. Just worry about the other things
Speaker 1: you don't get to spit. Oh my god, Hey, I'm spitting. Okay,
Speaker 1: designated spitter. Just just get baseball back. Spit on your
Speaker 1: uniform if you will. No, I mean, come on, spit
Speaker 1: at home if you want to. We worry about the
Speaker 1: dumbest damn things here. Just come back and play baseball.
Speaker 1: That's it. You have to tell me that I'm sitting
Speaker 1: all right, you're probably adjusting your cup two. Good for you.
Speaker 1: What else are you doing? Come back and play baseball.
Speaker 1: That would be enough. Mclevit. You got a pull question
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, we got a few options. By way,
Speaker 1: baseball players are gross and have always been gross, and
Speaker 1: that sport has more disgusting things going on. But uh okay,
Speaker 1: um NBA question. There's a story yesterday that the NBA
Speaker 1: is going to work to let families come to Orlando
Speaker 1: for the Bubble Tournament or whatever it is. If you're
Speaker 1: an NBA player, do you want your family there if
Speaker 1: for say a two months season, Well you're gonna get
Speaker 1: guys who have different reasons for that. But um, I
Speaker 1: was gonna go from the competitive so you can focus
Speaker 1: on the game. I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 1: I just there's just the more you add, the more chances,
Speaker 1: and then let's reduce the number of chances of something
Speaker 1: that could go wrong. You got one shot here, just
Speaker 1: make it work. And not everybody's going to be there
Speaker 1: two months. So if you have some of these Marquis guys,
Speaker 1: if Lebron James wants to bring his immediate family there,
Speaker 1: he's probably going to be there for the long haul.
Speaker 1: Or if it's the Greek freak and I think he's
Speaker 1: got a newborn baby, you want to do that. Now,
Speaker 1: I would not want a newborn baby in that environment there,
Speaker 1: But you know, it's going to be up to the individuals.
Speaker 1: But no, I would not want my family there unless
Speaker 1: I thought I'm in there for the long haul of
Speaker 1: two months. That's one thing. But some of these guys
Speaker 1: are not going to be there more than a month, yeah, poem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if I'm Lebron's family, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to the presidential suite at the resort in Orlando.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's fantastic. It might be two thousand square feet,
Speaker 1: but I've seen Lebron's house on social media it's like
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand square Yeah. Yeah, ton. But even if the
Speaker 1: family's safety was guaranteed, which there's no way of doing that.
Speaker 1: But just hypothetically, some of the players may not want
Speaker 1: They're probably there anywhere. Yeah, you want to explain why.
Speaker 1: Explaining why because you just don't want to deal with
Speaker 1: the family for a couple of months. It's not so
Speaker 1: much a you know, distraction or anything. And I don't
Speaker 1: think it's it would be a one hundred percent because
Speaker 1: of worrying about the safety of the family. Sometimes there's
Speaker 1: extracurricular reasons why you might want a two month to
Speaker 1: break from the family and I'll just leave it there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, did okay? Your family might want you to
Speaker 1: go to Orlando and not go with sure, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: would be like to make a four month you go
Speaker 1: by yourself, Toddy, if you're not playing. Yeah, I've heard
Speaker 1: it describe that the entire resort areas are all going
Speaker 1: to be open to them. It does sound kind of
Speaker 1: like heaven, you know, to bring your family down. I
Speaker 1: haven't been to Disney World with my kids, but I
Speaker 1: heard it that it's pretty spectacular what they're being offered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's everybody is there and nobody you know, there's
Speaker 1: nobody from outside parties involved in it. But I just
Speaker 1: want to read. If I'm the NBA, I want to
Speaker 1: reduce the number of people that I need. That's that's it.
Speaker 1: You want to get the season done with that. That's
Speaker 1: the most important part. Players get paid, owners make money,
Speaker 1: and you get a championship here. You don't need to
Speaker 1: appease everybody in this situation. And if you can ensure safety, great.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can, but if we can, great.
Speaker 1: You can have everybody down there, but all it takes
Speaker 1: you got one moment here, one team, one player, one star,
Speaker 1: and then it crumbles. Yeah, Poling, let's scale it down.
Speaker 1: You bring seven players and one coach. Let's just have
Speaker 1: the bench nice and clean space everybody out. You get
Speaker 1: two subs, bring a guard, bring a big and let's go.
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Speaker 1: What other poll questions do you have? Mclob I do
Speaker 1: want to get into the Baker Mayfield topic yet? Or
Speaker 1: save that one? You're gonna save that. Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of contract talk with Baker Mayfield. Okay, I have a
Speaker 1: question for you if the Spurs, if they expand the
Speaker 1: playoff field to twelve teams in each conference. Oh sorry,
Speaker 1: they say twenty four deep like NHL, those twenty four
Speaker 1: teams count as playoff teams. Well, what they're going to
Speaker 1: do this is the proposal twenty teams eight in the East,
Speaker 1: twelve from the West. Because the twelve has some competitive
Speaker 1: slots there where somebody might be able to Portland, New
Speaker 1: Orleans might be able to get into the eight spots.
Speaker 1: They want to be fair to them and the San
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs, So it would be a play in to
Speaker 1: get into the field of sixteen. Is that however? I
Speaker 1: believe so. But there's going to be twenty, but it's
Speaker 1: not balanced from It's not ten and ten from the
Speaker 1: East and West. It would be eight because I think
Speaker 1: those spots are all secure in the East, whereas the
Speaker 1: West there's still some opportunity there to move up and
Speaker 1: get into the postseason. So I guess you know, people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, with this playoff streak for the San
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs continue, don't we have other things to worry about?
Speaker 1: Then that doesn't count. So we're going to put an
Speaker 1: asterisk by the San Antonio Spurs playoff streak? Is that
Speaker 1: what we're saying? Mclovin, Yeah, so things to worry about
Speaker 1: we're gonna get yay. They we didn't put an asterisk
Speaker 1: by winning a title in nineteen ninety nine in a
Speaker 1: strike shortened season, but we're gonna put an asterisk by
Speaker 1: their playoff run. What'd be amazing if they had their
Speaker 1: playoffs cheek broken and won the NBA title. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were the title, but they didn't make the playoffs. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this would be astra squorthy because in the
Speaker 1: in the normal format, they would have not made the
Speaker 1: playoffs if the season ended. They're pretty far out of it,
Speaker 1: you know, they're like six games out. I don't care
Speaker 1: is this an asterisk or not. It is this expanded
Speaker 1: playoffs just to get three more games of Zion Williamson
Speaker 1: on national TV, because that's what it feels like. Can
Speaker 1: we get three more games out of Zion on national team?
Speaker 1: Well they want more than three, but who knows. You
Speaker 1: would like to have him in the mix. You certainly would, ye.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Why are the Blazers not good this year?
Speaker 1: They were really good last year. I can't remember what
Speaker 1: the heck happened to them. I don't think that they
Speaker 1: were healthy, Yeah, I'm sure, Like I don't remember who
Speaker 1: was injured, who was hot. I don't remember anything we
Speaker 1: were We used to talk about NBA all the time,
Speaker 1: and these teams are just going to pick up and
Speaker 1: be the same teams. Well, you kind of forget who
Speaker 1: was good and was somebody really good. Right before this happened,
Speaker 1: you know, Utah Bugdanovich is out with he had a
Speaker 1: risk surgery. He's had an unbelievable year. He's already out
Speaker 1: for the year. You know, ain't coming back for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So Utah, which I loved, was a dark coach to
Speaker 1: start the year, and then all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: like and then I got the Rudy Gobert situation here
Speaker 1: to his teammates like him, how's that gonna be when
Speaker 1: they all come back together. Who's gonna want to hang
Speaker 1: out with a Rudy Gobert when we all come back? Yes?
Speaker 1: MC love, And you're pretty sure Durant won't come back?
Speaker 1: Is there anything Eddie updates? And Klay Thompson too. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine it, you know, Klay Thompson, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: him coming back. Durant. I guess there's the possibility, But
Speaker 1: if you can't guarantee that Kyrie's coming back, then I
Speaker 1: don't want Kevin Durant coming back. If we're making a
Speaker 1: run in the East, If I have Durant and Kyrie
Speaker 1: and they're healthy, Okay, I at least understand it. But
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't want to push He's had ample time.
Speaker 1: If you think about this, how many months that he's
Speaker 1: been out, which had been twelve months, maybe longer than that,
Speaker 1: or has it been quite twelve months. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember when Durant got got hurt, so it was last
Speaker 1: June when he blew it out. They say nine to twelve.
Speaker 1: I believe for an Achilles, But I just I got
Speaker 1: to look at this big picture here. If I'm the
Speaker 1: NETS and I just don't want to bring Durant back,
Speaker 1: I know they can tell me, hey, doctor's cleared one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. You're pushing him back. Yeah. See, Not to
Speaker 1: get too far down the line, but I wonder if
Speaker 1: players are wondering about next season, and there's there's no
Speaker 1: real guarantees for how that's going to play out either.
Speaker 1: We could be in a very similar situation next year
Speaker 1: at this time, So they, as a player might be
Speaker 1: you know, they might want to get in some games
Speaker 1: and get in some time and play and compete, and
Speaker 1: you know, if they have a chance for a ring,
Speaker 1: actually be a part, you know, a participant in that,
Speaker 1: rather than all of a sudden, two seasons are gone
Speaker 1: and they're still waiting, well, I think that you're going
Speaker 1: to look at delayed start and maybe it's backed up
Speaker 1: to Christmas with the NBA. But also now it hasn't
Speaker 1: come out publicly, but I'm waiting to hear the players
Speaker 1: and the owners talk about, well, if we don't start
Speaker 1: until December, what does that mean for salaries? Here just
Speaker 1: throwing it out there because people say it's not about money,
Speaker 1: and it's always about money. We'll take a break, we'll
Speaker 1: talk to Albert Breer, the Monday Morning quarterback. I was
Speaker 1: hoping for my Sky Judge. We're not getting a Sky Judge.
Speaker 1: But it feels like maybe we're just saying to the
Speaker 1: replay official, hey, we're going to give you more responsibilities
Speaker 1: that basically calling him the adjunct Sky Judge and Jerry
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Speaker 1: senior NFL reporter, the Monday morning quarterback, who joins us.
Speaker 1: And by the looks of your room, there you love
Speaker 1: you self. Some Ohio State bunk eyes there. It's just
Speaker 1: by accident that Paulie wore his Michigan T shirt today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that. Are you a Michigan guy, PAULI, I
Speaker 1: couldn't have gotten the Michigan if you doubled my gpa. No,
Speaker 1: I went to Southern. I got an even better story.
Speaker 1: I come from a long line of Michigan people, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't go get in, so I went to the arrival.
Speaker 1: Yeah that, but where did you grow up? Are you
Speaker 1: from Michigan? Now, I'm from Massachusetts. My dad's from Detroit, though,
Speaker 1: and so my dad's side of the family is almost
Speaker 1: entirely from Michigan. Everybody went to Michigan or Michigan State,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was the black sheep. I went to
Speaker 1: the other big town school. Yeah. But people call this rivalry,
Speaker 1: and I'm from Ohio, and I say, it's not a rivalry,
Speaker 1: as Michigan's not on the same level and so Ohio
Speaker 1: State we Yeah, what do you think of that? It's
Speaker 1: not I mean, it's to me over the last seventeen
Speaker 1: eighteen year. I mean, it's like when I was in
Speaker 1: school there, Dan, it was the tail end of the
Speaker 1: Lloyd Card John Cooper thing, and it's amazing what's happened.
Speaker 1: And I think it. Honestly, I think because it matters
Speaker 1: more to people in Ohio. That's why things have gone
Speaker 1: the way they've gone. But I mean, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: from what Trustle has done, the fact that they've been
Speaker 1: more dominant since after Trust a lot so unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but why does it matter more to Ohio State fans
Speaker 1: than it does Michigan fans. I don't know. You're probably
Speaker 1: as good to answer to that as I am, right,
Speaker 1: because you're from there. I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's just more. I just think it's more ingrained
Speaker 1: in the culture in Ohio. And I think the other
Speaker 1: thing is, I mean when I went to school to
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I don't know if it's still the same
Speaker 1: way there, but I think ninety five percent of the
Speaker 1: people that I went to school with were from Ohio
Speaker 1: and Michigan. A lot of the people didn't grow up
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, a lot of the people that, um,
Speaker 1: they go to Michigan or from New York or from California,
Speaker 1: And so I think it's a little less ingrained than
Speaker 1: the people who went to Michigan than it is the
Speaker 1: people went to Ohio State. Yeah, but I think when
Speaker 1: you're with everybody loves a winner. Therefore it's more important
Speaker 1: to Ohio fans because they're on the winning side of this,
Speaker 1: whereas Michigan fans not as excited, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: downplaying this, and uh maybe maybe that's why it means more.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know though, because Dan they
Speaker 1: ran off John Cooper because he couldn't beat Michigan, Like
Speaker 1: John Cooper was fine otherwise, and they ran him off
Speaker 1: simply because he couldn't beat Michigan. So, but everything's good now.
Speaker 1: I don't think aybody would in Ohio was downplaying the
Speaker 1: rivalry when when it wasn't going well for them, Well,
Speaker 1: the fact that it is going well that you know
Speaker 1: that they're not everything. You know, they're fine with their
Speaker 1: coach because whoever their coach is, because they know that
Speaker 1: Michigan's coaches Jim Harball, and they always feel like they
Speaker 1: have the upper hand there. Do you see a scenario
Speaker 1: where Harball eventually leaves Michigan for another coaching John I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he certainly wants to another track of the NFL.
Speaker 1: I do think that he has some unfinished business there.
Speaker 1: I honestly think it's sort of bothered him, Um, you
Speaker 1: know the way that he like his brother. Finally his
Speaker 1: brother got to the mountaintop against him, And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I've always felt like there was that that
Speaker 1: little piece of unfinished business. So I don't know how
Speaker 1: long he's gonna stay at Michigan. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people felt like, you know, he'd probably be at
Speaker 1: Michigan for four or five years then go back because
Speaker 1: he's been sort of a short term or the other
Speaker 1: places he's been, so he's already sort of lasted longer
Speaker 1: than some people thought he'd last at Michigan. I think
Speaker 1: he'll eventually be back in the NFL. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Why do you think Ohio State fans won Jim Harball
Speaker 1: to stay as head coach at Michigan. I mean, right now,
Speaker 1: I'd say yes. I mean, Ryan Day's out recruiting him,
Speaker 1: out coaching him, He's beating him on the field. I
Speaker 1: like the fact that not just Urban Meyer beat Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaugh this way, the fact that Ryan Days beating him
Speaker 1: this way too and has all the momentum. I know this.
Speaker 1: There's just seems to be a lot of unlocked potential
Speaker 1: left in that Michigan program, and it's super interesting to me.
Speaker 1: The idea that, like you know, that that another coach
Speaker 1: could come in here and after the Urban Harbaugh thing,
Speaker 1: take Ohio State to another level. And now Jim Harball
Speaker 1: has got to catch up to him. It'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see where it goes. All right, Albert Bure joining
Speaker 1: a senior NFL reporter MMQB. Now let's talk about your
Speaker 1: day job here. I was all excited about sky Judge,
Speaker 1: I really was. And now it's being tabled. Why is
Speaker 1: it being tabled? And is the replay official getting some
Speaker 1: more responsibilities? Well, it's not really being I mean, it's
Speaker 1: being tabled, but it's being tabled in the way that
Speaker 1: it was written by the coach's subcommittee, and in particular
Speaker 1: that the Ravens coach John Harbaugh and the Chargers coach
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn, and the difference between what they wanted to
Speaker 1: do and what's going to be going in in an
Speaker 1: experimental basis is really about who the sky judge himself is,
Speaker 1: and the coaches really wanted it to be a more
Speaker 1: experienced guy, so either a retired head referee or a
Speaker 1: more experienced member of the crew, with younger guys becoming
Speaker 1: the eighth member. Of the crew. They really wanted an
Speaker 1: experience hand up there's somebody that everybody could trust being
Speaker 1: in charge of monitoring the broadcast and being in charge
Speaker 1: of having that view up top, you know. And really
Speaker 1: the league wasn't ready to take that step. And so
Speaker 1: Walt Anderson, who has become very involved over the last
Speaker 1: four or five months. He was an on field official
Speaker 1: until the end of the season. He's moved into a
Speaker 1: senior role in the NFL office now, you know, he
Speaker 1: sort of suggested, hey, listen, the replay officials we have
Speaker 1: are good. Will change out a few of them and
Speaker 1: we'll get some good guys in here, and then let's
Speaker 1: give this a shot in the preseason, and if it
Speaker 1: works in the preseason, let's try it in the regular season.
Speaker 1: And if it works in the regular season, we're can
Speaker 1: expand on it in twenty twenty one. And so there's
Speaker 1: been a two year process for guys like John Harbaugh
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid and Anthony Lynn and all these guys
Speaker 1: really just want to give the officials a resource. And
Speaker 1: the idea was to give him a high end resource
Speaker 1: by giving him an experienced official up top. This is
Speaker 1: sort of a compromise or the replay official, the existing
Speaker 1: replay official, we'll have expanded. Dude, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw the comments Dean Blandino made on the show
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago where he said, when he
Speaker 1: was in charge of the officials, there was a break
Speaker 1: glass in case of emergency where New York would contact
Speaker 1: the official on the field and say, guys, huddle up. Because,
Speaker 1: as Dean said, you know, we were worried about something extreme,
Speaker 1: historically bad or controversial here. We contacted the NFL. The
Speaker 1: NFL said, we have no comment, and then I talked
Speaker 1: to a source who said, that's the way Dean did things,
Speaker 1: not the way we do things. Now, what do you
Speaker 1: make of that. Well, Dean was very close with a
Speaker 1: lot of the coaches, and he had that trust with
Speaker 1: the coaches. Dan, and that's one thing that came up.
Speaker 1: I think that's been lost the last couple of years
Speaker 1: was a lot of the respect between the coaches in
Speaker 1: the league office was built by Dean Blandino, and so
Speaker 1: when Dean went into TV, I do think a little
Speaker 1: bit of that it was lost, which is where some
Speaker 1: of the issues have come in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I can also say that like the sky judge. It
Speaker 1: with certain crews has actually already existed. And so I'll
Speaker 1: give you a great example. Everybody remembers the Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: hit on Mason Rudolph last year. Right, So if you
Speaker 1: guys go back and watch that broadcast, go pull it
Speaker 1: up on game pass or whatever. Watch when they cut
Speaker 1: to commercial after Mason Rudolph goes down, there's no flag
Speaker 1: on the field. When they come back from commercial, there
Speaker 1: is a flag on the field. It took about thirty
Speaker 1: five to forty seconds for the flag to go on
Speaker 1: the field. Well what happened there? Well, John Harbaugh went
Speaker 1: over to the head referee, is We'll wait a second,
Speaker 1: where'd that flag come from? And the head officials said
Speaker 1: to him, the guy up in the booth told me
Speaker 1: to drop it because the hit was egregious. And Harbaugh
Speaker 1: said to the head official, oh, you mean like a
Speaker 1: sky judge. So they've actually been sort of using some
Speaker 1: of these things in spots over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I think the way what the coaches really wanted was
Speaker 1: to formalize that make sure everybody had the benefit of it.
Speaker 1: And again this isn't coaches versus officials. The main thing
Speaker 1: for these coaches, was the officials the benefit that every
Speaker 1: single one of us sitting at home with the cable
Speaker 1: subscription has, which is eight, ten, twelve different angles of
Speaker 1: crystal clear HD to see everything from. I think these
Speaker 1: coaches really thought it was crazy that the guys in
Speaker 1: the field weren't getting the benefit that tens of millions
Speaker 1: of people have sitting on their couches every day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the people who are in charge to make these calls
Speaker 1: have the worst view. We have the best view, So
Speaker 1: why not take advantage of that to help them. I
Speaker 1: still don't understand the Saints Ram's call non call, the
Speaker 1: fact that there were two fouls including helmet to helmet,
Speaker 1: were not called. That's where I thought, and Dean Blandino
Speaker 1: was not in the home office in New York to
Speaker 1: be able to, hey, guys, huddle up, because I think
Speaker 1: they did huddle up and they still missed it. So
Speaker 1: how do you prevent that when we get to the
Speaker 1: postseason when you have all star crews? Well, and I
Speaker 1: think and one thing that actually was brought up to me,
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, and maybe you're aware of this
Speaker 1: because you've been on a Super Bowl podcast. Did you
Speaker 1: know that there are extra officials on the sideline during
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl that have headsets on and they're communicating
Speaker 1: with the head referees. Like I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1: Like over the last couple of days of making phone
Speaker 1: calls on this, I sort of learned that. And really
Speaker 1: it's like you said, Dan, they're trying to give more
Speaker 1: resources to these guys, and so you know, the idea
Speaker 1: is the head referee still in charge of the game,
Speaker 1: but there's a guy up top, and that guy has
Speaker 1: access to the broadcast. That guy's also watching from the boost,
Speaker 1: so he has that bandage point and so he's going
Speaker 1: to be able to communicate with the head referee. The
Speaker 1: head referee doesn't have to do anything like this guy
Speaker 1: doesn't have The guy up top doesn't have the authority
Speaker 1: to stop the game. He can't throw a flag, he
Speaker 1: can't do any of that. But within the first fifteen
Speaker 1: seconds of the playclock, he can buzz down. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: ask you, like in that Saints Rams game, it didn't
Speaker 1: take fifteen seconds for all of us to know it
Speaker 1: was the wrong call, right, So in that case, in
Speaker 1: that case, the guy up top would have called down
Speaker 1: to the head referee, where said dropped the flag. The
Speaker 1: ref would have drop the flag because he trust the
Speaker 1: guy up top, and we would have had a penalty,
Speaker 1: the Saints would have had a first down, and they'd
Speaker 1: be going to the super Bowl. And so it's just
Speaker 1: it's giving them that resource where it's not about getting
Speaker 1: every every single judgment call right. It's about getting the
Speaker 1: black and white white ones that we know are wrong corrected.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that this is an efficient
Speaker 1: way to do it. It may take a year or
Speaker 1: two for them to work out the kinks and get
Speaker 1: the right people up top, but it's really really important
Speaker 1: to these coaches that they at least start that process
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. The chide kick where do we stand
Speaker 1: with them? So they there have been some unintended consequences
Speaker 1: that have come up here, and I think what's interesting
Speaker 1: about it. What's most interesting about it's me, Dan, is
Speaker 1: that this is a rule that they haven't even put
Speaker 1: in yet and they're already having to fix it. So
Speaker 1: that makes me a little skeptical about where we're going, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you look at it like they like
Speaker 1: they so we could we didn't have we didn't have
Speaker 1: to have this whole rule for a day before everybody
Speaker 1: could realize that there were issue is with it. So
Speaker 1: when they tied up, you know, there was the thought, okay, like,
Speaker 1: if you have Sady took kick the lead, sascore a touchdown,
Speaker 1: I go up by four points whatever I'm kicking off,
Speaker 1: and there are six seconds left in the game, Well,
Speaker 1: if I'm that team, rather than kicking it to the
Speaker 1: other team, wouldn't I just snap the ball into fourth
Speaker 1: and fifteen, tell my quarterback to run around for three
Speaker 1: seconds and throw it to the moon, Like it would
Speaker 1: make sense to do that, right, And so they've taken
Speaker 1: care of that by making it and untimed down. But
Speaker 1: I think the fact that we're already troubleshooting the thing
Speaker 1: before it even goes in at least makes me skeptical
Speaker 1: about how this thing's gonna work less. And I understand
Speaker 1: it's a safety it's even a health and safety measure
Speaker 1: that they feel like they've got to take the kickoff
Speaker 1: and the on site kicks out of the game. And
Speaker 1: that's all fine. I understand that part of it, and
Speaker 1: I understand that it's a fun thing for everybody to
Speaker 1: talk about, but it does make me a little bit
Speaker 1: kind of I guess just skeptical over the whole thing
Speaker 1: that they're already having to troubleshoot it before it even
Speaker 1: goes in in three years. Do we have kickoffs in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think we do, but I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna look different. I honestly like if I were the league,
Speaker 1: I would have taken the XFL idea and I would
Speaker 1: have just implemented in the preseason and see how it works.
Speaker 1: I mean, look like I can tell you most coaches
Speaker 1: I've talked to are really protective of that phase of
Speaker 1: the game, that really believed that it should remain in
Speaker 1: the game, that it's a part of the game, and
Speaker 1: that you be bastardizing the game by taking it out
Speaker 1: of it. And so I know a lot of the
Speaker 1: special teams coaches have done a lot of hard work
Speaker 1: to try to preserve the kickoff as best they can.
Speaker 1: It's hard to do it, but you know, I think
Speaker 1: the XFL found an effective way to sort of attack this,
Speaker 1: and I mean, to me, it was inventive, it was fun.
Speaker 1: It didn't totally take the idea of the kickoff away.
Speaker 1: You still have kickoff or turn touchdowns. So I know
Speaker 1: that that's one they've discussed. I'm surprised they didn't at
Speaker 1: least maybe look at the idea of implementing it for
Speaker 1: the preseason. I'd expect it'll get more discussion in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. I don't understand that you want to take
Speaker 1: away the onside kick because you don't want another collision
Speaker 1: or collisions, But then you're going to have the mar
Speaker 1: Key players who were going to come back out on
Speaker 1: the field for a fourth and fifteen. I would rather
Speaker 1: have the on side kickoff team than backup linebackers than
Speaker 1: I would I got Patrick Mahomes back there for a
Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen with the Marquee players on the wide,
Speaker 1: you know, on the offense and then the defense. You
Speaker 1: know it's a pass. I don't know you're asking for
Speaker 1: contact there as well. I mean, is it a past
Speaker 1: interference down to that's the other thing, right Dan, Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean fourth and fifteen? Or do you have a
Speaker 1: better shot of converting that by just throwing it up
Speaker 1: to Julio Jones and hoping somebody yanks on his jersey?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like there are certain things
Speaker 1: like that that could come into play. Two. I actually
Speaker 1: talked to one coach and This may be a little
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory ish, but there are some coaches that feel
Speaker 1: like the NFL has, you know, actively look to try
Speaker 1: to take the middle class out of the league. And
Speaker 1: who's the middle class. Well, the middle class is guys
Speaker 1: like Matt Slater on the Patriots who are making three
Speaker 1: four million dollars a year and who are playing what
Speaker 1: like probably six or eight plays a game. And so
Speaker 1: you know, there are there are I think there is
Speaker 1: a feeling that there maybe are there are some ulterior
Speaker 1: motives here on the part of the owners. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much truth there is to that, but certainly
Speaker 1: I think that there are coaches that really feel like
Speaker 1: the kickoff is. They've done a lot of work to
Speaker 1: try to keep the kickoff as is, and they really
Speaker 1: should try not to bastardize it too much. I'll leave
Speaker 1: you with this, Jadeveon Clowney still on the outside looking
Speaker 1: in with maybe Tennessee, maybe back to Seattle. The Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns offered a great deal, which I was surprised. You
Speaker 1: have Miles Garrett, You're gonna have to pay him. But
Speaker 1: where does Jadeveon Clowney fit with either of these three teams? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I always thought that his best option was to go
Speaker 1: back to Seattle, just because I thought that was the
Speaker 1: best chance for him to have a great year. You know,
Speaker 1: he's one of these guys that's sort of caught up
Speaker 1: in the fact that he can't take a physical. There
Speaker 1: is some instability in his knee. I know, teams that
Speaker 1: were interested really wanting to have their own doctors get
Speaker 1: their hands on him. Obviously that's not possible given the circumstances,
Speaker 1: you know, and then there are questions about his personality.
Speaker 1: He really wore out his welcome in Houston. That's another
Speaker 1: reason why if a team is going to sign him
Speaker 1: to a big deal, they'd want him to come in
Speaker 1: and talk to them. And so those have been issues.
Speaker 1: I think his financial expectations were certainly an issue. He
Speaker 1: saw guys like Frank Clark and DeMarcus Lawrence Gott and
Speaker 1: you know, he just shot too high early on. So
Speaker 1: I think his best bet right now is to find
Speaker 1: a place where he can go on a one year
Speaker 1: deal and go to a place where you know, the
Speaker 1: scheme's familiar. Cleveland scheme, they run a Seattle type of scheme.
Speaker 1: Scheme would be familiar there. Seattle of course, if they'd
Speaker 1: have him back, if he could work away to do
Speaker 1: a one year deal there, even if it was for
Speaker 1: less money, I think it'd be smart because he poised
Speaker 1: to have a big year there. And then of course
Speaker 1: the other one to keep an eye as the Tennessee
Speaker 1: Titans because of his relationship with Mike Rabele. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is Cleveland's got thirty seven million dollars to spend here, right,
Speaker 1: is that? Why didn't they spend it earlier? I mean,
Speaker 1: remember who's running the team there too, Dan, I mean,
Speaker 1: I like, come hell or high water. They're going all
Speaker 1: in on the analytics model. You can see it in
Speaker 1: the people that they've hired. You can see it in
Speaker 1: the kind of the way they've set that organization up.
Speaker 1: Paul Deepidesk has a lot of power in that organization
Speaker 1: and the way analytics work. In every sport, right, you
Speaker 1: put values on people and you don't really straight from
Speaker 1: that too much. And so even if you have money
Speaker 1: to spend, if the value is not there, you're not
Speaker 1: going to spend the money. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: think that Browns will eventually wind up spending But you
Speaker 1: look at the positions they spend on. I mean they
Speaker 1: go and get a tackle tackles a premium position, so
Speaker 1: they spent on on a Jack conklin Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I think really a lot of this boils down to
Speaker 1: know how their models are working and where they're being
Speaker 1: kind of guided to spend m you know again, like
Speaker 1: if you're if you're working on in that sort of setup,
Speaker 1: generally you're going to let value drive you. And if
Speaker 1: you don't think the value is there, even if you
Speaker 1: do have the money to spend, you're not going to overspend.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, Dak Prescott, Yeah, everybody seems to be,
Speaker 1: you know, sitting on the edge of their seats waiting
Speaker 1: for Dak Prescott too. What are the options here? July fifteenth,
Speaker 1: I mean to me, July fifteenth is you know, really
Speaker 1: the date that I think we've all had our eye
Speaker 1: on the whole time. And deadlines, spur action and if
Speaker 1: you want to look at the Cowboys history, they've generally
Speaker 1: taken care of all of these guys, you know, Zack Martin,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith's, DeMarcus Laurens, Zeke, Elliott, Amari Cooper. They take
Speaker 1: care of their own guys. There are very few guys
Speaker 1: that they have not that they've wanted to keep that
Speaker 1: they have not been able to lock up long term.
Speaker 1: The key here, though, Dan's going to be the length
Speaker 1: of the deal just by sitting on his hands, Okay,
Speaker 1: just by doing nothing. Dak Prescott either gets thirty one
Speaker 1: million dollars this year and becomes a free agent at
Speaker 1: twenty seven, seventy million over the next two, free agent
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, or one hundred and twenty million over
Speaker 1: the next three, and a free agent at twenty nine,
Speaker 1: and so he doesn't do anything. I have to do
Speaker 1: anything to exercise one of those three options. And so
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have to convince him they're putting something in
Speaker 1: front of him that is good enough to walk away
Speaker 1: from those three options. They haven't done that yet. And
Speaker 1: I still think the key to this deal is going
Speaker 1: to be how long it is. Dak Prescott would like
Speaker 1: a shorter deal that'll allow him to go back to
Speaker 1: the table in three or four years and capitalize on
Speaker 1: all the new TV money, the gambling money coming into
Speaker 1: the league. The Cowboys would like to sign him to
Speaker 1: a longer deal of five or a six year deal,
Speaker 1: like they did with Smith, with Elliott, with Lawrence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's amazing that Dak Prescott is making more money
Speaker 1: by not doing anything, by just just sitting Like his
Speaker 1: value keeps going up because you know, DeShawn Watson what
Speaker 1: he's going to get paid. They're waiting for all of this, right,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like, I mean, that's that's where
Speaker 1: you're playing with fire if you're the Cowboys, right Dan,
Speaker 1: I mean, the big one sitting out there's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: You know, if you like, like you could sit here
Speaker 1: and say, well, god, you know, forty million a year
Speaker 1: seems like a lot for Dak Prescott, and then Pat
Speaker 1: Mahomes goes and signs a deal at forty one or
Speaker 1: forty two, like then what you know what Like then
Speaker 1: then that's just where the market is. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have said it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's tough, tough to swallow the idea of Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: at forty million dollars a year. Well, I mean, we
Speaker 1: can go down the list of guys who were the
Speaker 1: highest paid players in the league over the last four
Speaker 1: or five years was Derek Carr. The best player in
Speaker 1: the league was Jimmy Garoppolo. The best player in the
Speaker 1: league was Matt Ryan. The best player in the league
Speaker 1: was Kirk Cousins, the best player in the league at
Speaker 1: one point or another. All of those guys were the
Speaker 1: highest paid player in football. It's just the way you
Speaker 1: paid quarterbacks. And so he's the next one at the table,
Speaker 1: so he's going to be the highest paid guy. And again,
Speaker 1: I think it would behoove the Cowboys to try and
Speaker 1: take care of this as soon as they can so
Speaker 1: they don't wind up having to pay attacks because they
Speaker 1: waited until after Patrick Mahomes deal is done. Thank you
Speaker 1: for spending time, Albert, great stuff. Yeah, Dan, Thank you
Speaker 1: all right, Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter for the Mightday
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Speaker 1: Patrick Show had somebody who sent me an email about
Speaker 1: the Ohio State Michigan rivalry. Its name is a Jared Carrow.
Speaker 1: Love the Show as someone who lived in Michigan from birth.
Speaker 1: Albert Breer is right on the rivalry with Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Ohio State doesn't mean as much to Michigan as it
Speaker 1: does to Ohio State. When I lived in Michigan, our
Speaker 1: main rivalry was Notre Dame. We got up more for
Speaker 1: that game than we did Ohio State. If you look
Speaker 1: at it, Michigan has three rivalries, big rivalries, Michigan State,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame in Ohio State, whereas Ohio State only has Michigan.
Speaker 1: Ohio State's tried to bring USC and others in for
Speaker 1: that rivalry, but it's never the same. It's newer and
Speaker 1: not much of a rivalry. So Ohio State really has
Speaker 1: only one game to get up four, while Michigan has three.
Speaker 1: Do they get up for those three though they're supposed to.
Speaker 1: I like the Notre Dame Michigan rivalry, but having been
Speaker 1: I've only watched the Ohio State Michigan rivalry from Ohio
Speaker 1: State being in Columbus, so I haven't seen in Michigan
Speaker 1: Michigan Notre Dame. I think the Danettes a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago went to that and that was a pretty
Speaker 1: exciting moment. I think with that game in ann Arbor. Yeah, Poem,
Speaker 1: I've been to a Michigan home game against Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I've been to Ohio State homegame against Michigan, and the
Speaker 1: Michigan seemed like a good time, a party, and it's
Speaker 1: a big game. Obviously, the one hundred and five thousand
Speaker 1: when you took me to see Ohio State Michigan in Columbus,
Speaker 1: and the entire tone of the town we were there
Speaker 1: for two nights, felt like there was business going on
Speaker 1: that weekend. It was very serious. They didn't seem to
Speaker 1: be having a good time. It was like, we're here
Speaker 1: to beat Michigan today and then after the game we'll celebrate.
Speaker 1: It had a very serious tone. But Ohio State fans
Speaker 1: understand that every game that they play is big because
Speaker 1: there's a national title at stake. Ohio State is you know,
Speaker 1: against Michigan is big because if that's your rivalry, you
Speaker 1: want to make sure you don't lose to them because
Speaker 1: any loss is going to hurt you playing for a
Speaker 1: national title. Michigan Michigan, if they lose to Ohio State,
Speaker 1: they're not playing for a national title. That might mean
Speaker 1: they're playing in the Outbat Bowl instead. Of the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1: But you know, Michigan is not on par with Wisconsin
Speaker 1: right now. Michigan State has taken a step back here.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think Ohio State looks at
Speaker 1: Michigan as a true rivalry the way it used to
Speaker 1: be down when I was growing up, Michigan beat Ohio
Speaker 1: State and that you know, when they had quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: I didn't think were great, but they ended up beating
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Back then, it was Boschem Beckler and he
Speaker 1: got the best of what he has. But it's changed
Speaker 1: considerably because urban Meyer brought the sec to Columbus. He
Speaker 1: brought athletes to Columbus. It wasn't this physical, We're going
Speaker 1: to dominate you. Urban Meyer brought that Florida feel to
Speaker 1: Ohio State and you had true it feels like there's
Speaker 1: a big difference. And you watch the athletes for Ohio
Speaker 1: State in Michigan, like the recruiting, big difference there. Then
Speaker 1: you see that when you're on the field. McLevin, what's
Speaker 1: the poll question you're going with? Okay, well, actually I
Speaker 1: put up for the first hour. If you're an NBA player,
Speaker 1: do you want your family there? Said? No, we have
Speaker 1: a couple more for a variety of reasons. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: we're focusing on competitiveness, of course, and a few months
Speaker 1: into quarantine, so maybe this side of the glass was voting. No, Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. We have a
Speaker 1: couple of more interesting options that give them. We have
Speaker 1: a Baker Mayfield and a scandalous athlete Poole. We'll hear
Speaker 1: from Baker Mayfield coming up next down. Also former Mets
Speaker 1: general manager Steve Phillips, he works for MLB Network on
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