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Speaker 1: On the Bobby Bones Show. Now heard I think I

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Speaker 1: saw in your Instagram you're opening for Sam Hunt this

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Speaker 1: past weekend. Yeah, what's the difference for you as far

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Speaker 1: you're like the main support act or if it's your show. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's so much easier to open these days. There's it's

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Speaker 1: just a different feel, even if it's two thousand people

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Speaker 1: whatever were less than that sometimes for me, but it's

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Speaker 1: there there for you. So it's just a different a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a different mindset. But there's also like

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Speaker 1: no pressure. I don't get nervous. It's the shorter set.

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Speaker 1: It's usually forty five minutes, so that's like by the

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Speaker 1: time I'm kind of bored, it's like all right, it's

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Speaker 1: been cool at US I toured with We toured with

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Speaker 1: him on the fifteen and a thirty tour and Marin

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Speaker 1: And the next night I went and we did Summer

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Speaker 1: and Thomas this last week Kins, so that was really cool. Um,

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Speaker 1: But it's just a little bit of a different mindset.

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Speaker 1: But there's also less pressure and I don't get very

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Speaker 1: place where you can absolutely go headline your own shows

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Speaker 1: and you have a ton of songs and people are

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Speaker 1: artist and like you said, play. I was talking to

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Speaker 1: Dan and shakes it open for Kenny right now, and

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Speaker 1: they're like, it's awesome. Yeah, like we we could go out.

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Speaker 1: We have to, you know, take all our equipment, go

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Speaker 1: out and just have fun. Yeah, it's it's a different

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Speaker 1: It's nice to switch it up, like switch your days

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Speaker 1: done at like eight thirty and you don't have anything

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Speaker 1: else to do, like all right, I'll just like watch

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Speaker 1: So uh, I think everybody enjoys the change of pace.

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Speaker 1: When do you get tired? Meaning in a year, is

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Speaker 1: there a season and you start to go because for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, we start in January doing the radio show,

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Speaker 1: I start to get fatigued for the first time. Is

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Speaker 1: there a touring fatigue? And when does it usually hit?

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Speaker 1: So I'll preface the answer by saying, we basically took

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Speaker 1: Even if it's like I'm leaving at nine o'clock at

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Speaker 1: write for people like Jordan Davis and Marin and Lady A,

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Speaker 1: He is Ryan Hard. Ryan could have talked to you, buddy,