1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: What's up? 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky back with you. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 3: Buck? 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: What is going on? Man? 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: DJ? You know what it is. 7 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: I mean, whenever we get to the final four, we 8 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 3: get into the Super Bowl, it is always a time 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 3: to reflect and review on how these teams were built, 10 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: what decisions they made that maybe we can pull from 11 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 3: to establish blueprints for others to follow the build championship teams. 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: And so today is a great day to look at 13 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 3: the Kancity Chiefs. To look at the San Francisco forty 14 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: nine is to see the moves that they made to 15 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: put them in a position to potentially hoist the Lombardi 16 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 3: Trophy at the end of Super Bowl fifty eight. 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: They no doubt. I always enjoy this when we get 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: a chance to look at it, and you know, I 19 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: feel like we do the Chiefs every year. Oh yeah, 20 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: because they're in the Super Bowl almost. 21 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: Every steking year. It's so crazy. 22 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: So they've done a phenomenal job and different iterations, different 23 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: versions of those teams, and we can kind of jump 24 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: right in and start right there with this Chiefs team. 25 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for the Let's start with the draft. 26 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: So these are the starters in the AFC Championship game 27 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: that were drafted by the Chiefs. Okay, we'll go back 28 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: to the to the the veteran, which would be Travis Kelcey. 29 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: He was, man, my eyes are really bad here. He 30 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: was a third round pick in twenty thirteen. Then you 31 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: end up having twenty sixteen. You've got Chris Jones' second 32 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: round pick. Patrick Mahomes in seventeen was obviously the first 33 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: round pick. You've got Ali Gretti, who ended up filling 34 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: in and starting. He was in twenty nineteen, he was 35 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: a seventh round pick. You get to twenty twenty. Legerius 36 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Snead was a fourth. Mike Dana Dt he earned defensive end, 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: was a fifth. You've got twenty two. You get to 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: or sorry, twenty one. You get to Nick Bolton and 39 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey, both second round picks. What a second round. 40 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: Then Trey Smith, you know, was an unbelievable sixth round 41 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: pick because you know, teams were worried about him medically. 42 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: And then twenty two, how about this draft with all 43 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: the picks in the Tyreek Hill trade, Trent McDuffie and 44 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: George Carloftis those were their first round picks. They come 45 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: back with Leo Chanal linebacker, and the third they get 46 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: Pacheco and the seventh that was a heck of a draft. 47 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: And then twenty three this last year rookies, you've got 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: Rashid Rice, who's really taken off. So what stands out 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 1: to you about how they've drafted and what they've done 50 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: that is a lot of homegrown players that are starting 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: for them. 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of homegrown players and DJ. The first 53 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: thing that I will say is we've talked about this 54 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: as old school scouts. You want to nail your first, second, 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: and third round picks. Those guys are the guys that 56 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: really formed the nucleus. 57 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: So I go back and I look at Travis Kelce. 58 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: Chris Jones, Pat Mahomes, Bolton Creed, Humphrey McDuffie, Carl Loftis, Chanal, 59 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: and Rashie Rice all fall into that category. 60 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: Right. 61 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: So what that tells me over the last few years, 62 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 3: they haven't really done a lot of missing up top. Yeah, 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: their handful of number names that aren't including that they 64 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: were drafted in the first, second or third round. But 65 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: for the most part, they're nucleus is exactly where their 66 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: nucleus should be from the top of the draft. So 67 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: they spend their time doing their homework, making sure that 68 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: a man keep the main thing the main thing. At 69 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: a time when some guys get cute and creative and 70 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: trying to spend a lot of their time on the 71 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 3: lower round picks, they've really been nailing the top picks 72 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: and that's one of the reasons why they're nucleus and 73 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 3: their foundation is really in place. 74 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at it, and to me, the second round, man, 75 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: is there anything better than the second round? I love 76 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: the second round because I feel obviously they're cheap, you know, 77 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: compared to what you pay for a first round pick, 78 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: so the cost savings is nice. You don't get the 79 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: fifth year, you only get the four years on the contract. 80 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: But like the Chris Joneses, the Kreek Humphries, you know, 81 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: the Nick Boltons of the world, the Rashi Rice is like, 82 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: man it to me, I'm kind of waiting for the 83 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: team that's going to say, you know what, I'm gonna 84 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: trade back every year and I'm going to try and 85 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: have I want every year to have two to three 86 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: second round picks. The batting average is very high. You've 87 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: got a high batting average, it's a low cost. It 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: just seems like, Man, I always feel like second round, 89 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: there's just there's so many good players there every year. 90 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 3: Well, part of the reason there's so many players there 91 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: is we say it all the time, just because the 92 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: Girafte has thirty two picks per round and third two 93 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: picks in the first round, doesn't mean that the first 94 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: round is loaded with thirty two first round rated players. 95 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: And if there is a huge net to cast between 96 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: I would say picks twenty and fifty. If you have 97 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: multiple picks in the second round, it gives you an 98 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: opportunity to get a player that might be a first 99 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 3: round talent that just kind of slid through the cracks 100 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: because everyone grades differently. If you know what's knowing it, 101 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: if you have a clear identity. We've talked about this 102 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: on other podcasts, teams that know who they are. If 103 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: you have a clear identity, know exactly what it's your program, 104 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: you absolutely can clean up in the second round and 105 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: the second and third rounds in particular. 106 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: So I'm going to do a project. I'm going to 107 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: give this to our Buddy Jack, who is the He's 108 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: an animal and research. So just got me thinking, we're 109 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: going to do a study on forties versus twenties. I'd 110 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: be curious to know if we looked at the twenties 111 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: picks twenty one to thirty and the forties picks forty 112 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: one through fifty, what's the difference. 113 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I'm. 114 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: Curious to find I'm curious to see what that looks like. 115 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: Man. 116 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: So it's almost like, hey, let's see what the difference 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: is there, because I feel like a lot of drafts 118 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: were like, man, when you get to pick eighteen twenty two, like, 119 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: I don't really have I have the same grade on 120 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: him as I have on the guy it's my forty eighth, 121 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: fiftieth player. 122 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: So DJ I. 123 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: Can't remember years ago when I was in Carolina, there 124 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: was a study that came out where they found it 125 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: then it really wasn't a huge difference between first rounders 126 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: and second rounds, and so the smart teams would accumulate 127 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: multiple second and third round picks because, as they would say, 128 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: the value between the number one on the board is 129 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: not substantially better than the guy that's. 130 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: Number two, three, or four on the board. 131 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: It is rare that it's a huge jump between the 132 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: top rated player at the position versus a guy that 133 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: ranks second, third, or fourth, and the smart teams would 134 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: realize that, look, it's such a minor difference, we're better 135 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: off taking getting multiple picks, having multiple lottery tickets to 136 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: see if we can hit on two, three, and four, 137 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: as opposed to saying that number one is going to 138 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: be a superstar. 139 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: At the position. 140 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm guessing if we probably look at it, there's 141 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: a difference between the top twelve, top fifteen hit rates. 142 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's a pretty significant difference between that, and 143 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: then we're talking about pick you know, thirty five to fifty. 144 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: But I'm curious if. 145 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: Twenty to twenty five is any different than you know, 146 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: forty to forty. 147 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: Five, that'd be because the bottom of the first round, 148 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: because remember when everyone talks about the bottom of the 149 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: first round. In theory, yes they're first rounders, but grade 150 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: wise and wise, a lot of times they're not graded 151 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: as a first round out no doubt. 152 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: They do not have an undrafted free agent that started 153 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: in the championship game. So that we can skip over 154 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: that process and we can get to the free agents 155 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: So for the Kansas City Chiefs free agent starters in 156 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: the conference championship game, you've got Justin Reid. Three of 157 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: these guys came in the same year. In twenty two. 158 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: You've got Justin Reid. You've got Marquez Valdez Scanling, You've 159 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: got Justin Watson. So two wide receivers and Justin Reid. 160 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: Those are free agents in the twenty two class this 161 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: last year. A bunch of them, Juwan Taylor, Donovan Smith, 162 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: Mike Panell, Drew Trankuell, Mike Edwards. So is there any 163 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: connective tissue when you go through those names and see 164 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: that the success they've had finding starters there in the 165 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: free agent world. 166 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: Okay, So what we've talked about is we've talked about 167 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: when we build into teams, it's kind of around the 168 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: p's right, it's kind of form. It's a pass You've 169 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: got to have a quarterback, you got to have playmakers 170 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: that typically tends to be the wide receivers. You've got 171 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: to have pass protection and so those are the offensive tackles, 172 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: you know, and then you've got to have pass rushers. 173 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: So when I'm looking at the Chiefs, their past catchers 174 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: have come in free agency right mvs. Justin Watson. Those 175 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: guys qualify. Both of their edge protectors were acquired in 176 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: free agency, Jwan Taylor, Donovan Smith. Really outside of that 177 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: DJ they've gone to the draft and found the other 178 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: positions that they needed. A lot of times we always 179 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: talk about the teams that are drafting developed teams. They 180 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: draft for the core of their team, but then they 181 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: go to free agency to kind of get plugged the holes. 182 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: The kan City Chiefs plugged the holes in free agency 183 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: based on what they were not able to get done 184 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: in the draft. To me, it's just a very solid 185 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: and effective team building strategy. It's not tilted heavily in 186 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: one direction. We will utilize every vehicle to put ourselves 187 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: in a position to fill the championship caliber team. 188 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting when you look at, you know, 189 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: both the tackles, both the offensive tackles who have come 190 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: under criticism because they haven't played great this year, but 191 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: they've they're good enough that they're in the Super Bowl 192 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: with them there, and it's interesting to me that they 193 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: have taken their resources and put them in the interior 194 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: of the offensive line. When you think about you know, 195 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey being on being a second round pick. You 196 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: think about Joe Toney getting the big money coming over 197 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: in free agency, and then obviously they're gonna end up. 198 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna up paying their interior guys because 199 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: that's where you know, that's where their elite level talent is. 200 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: So Tray Smith being the other guard who's going to 201 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: get huge money. Hey, I think they. I think that, 202 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: and I think most quarterbacks now would would probably say 203 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: that that. You know, man, just give me an elite interior. 204 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: I get away Holmes can get away from the edge 205 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: edge rush. 206 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: So we talk about building a fortress in front of 207 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: the quarterback. 208 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: For years, it was the edges and those guys like 209 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: keep them away out stepping in the pocket. But we 210 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: found that if you have penetration, and you are a quarterback, man, 211 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: if you have penetration right up the gut, it. 212 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: Is to do anything. 213 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: You can't step into your throws like the guys in 214 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: your lap. It is more difficul Maybe can't see the 215 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: chiefs have kind of figured out something. Look they're zigging 216 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: when others are zagging. Let's make sure that we're great 217 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: on the interior. We'll find a way to get it 218 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: done with maybe lesser on the edges, but we're really 219 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: good upfront that it won't even matter because Pat Mahomes 220 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: can get the ball out of his hands before those 221 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 3: guys on the edge. 222 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: Can you home, no doubt. 223 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: On the trade front, you've got to kidarious Tony you know, 224 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: helped last year. I mean Gottlie, he was good in 225 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: the postseason last year. Mikole Hardman comes back this year 226 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: from the Jets, and then Neil Ferrell defensive end. So 227 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that they've got a ton of impact 228 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: this year off of those trade guys. 229 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: No, but let me ask you something because this Brett 230 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 3: each Andy Reid. You know those guys well you work 231 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: for Andy, you know, veach or whatever. Before we even 232 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 3: talk about it, like where is their relationship in that connection, 233 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: how does that impact the way the Chiefs have been 234 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: able to build their team. 235 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: They're very, very close and have known each other for 236 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: a very long time. They have a great working relationship. 237 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: And the thing about Andy is Andy can Andy if 238 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: you just tell Andy, hey, this guy can only do 239 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: with this thing. You know, he's just a speed vertical receiver. 240 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: He's not going to be able to run the route 241 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: tree you're not going to want him working in the 242 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: middle of the field. Andy is not only a great 243 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: play call or play designer and creative, but Andy knows 244 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: how to show your strengths and hide your weaknesses and 245 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: not put you in a place where you're going to 246 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: look bad. He gets the best out of people. So 247 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: I think that just kind of you're not going to 248 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: be in a situation once you've paid the quarterback and 249 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: you're picking you know, thirty first or thirty second every 250 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: year in the draft, You're gonna have to there's gonna 251 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: have to be some imperfect players. They're gonna have to 252 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: play key roles for you. And I think that communication 253 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: and understanding of the honesty of like, hey, Andy, this 254 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: guy is not complete, but he can do this one 255 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: thing really well. And and he's like, I can work with that, 256 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: I'll feature that, I'll I'll hide the weaknesses. And that's 257 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: a huge, huge thingeen those two guys. 258 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's genius in that, like being able to kind 259 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: of like minimize a player's strengths, I mean a player's 260 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: weaknesses while finding a way to insinuate his strengths. There's 261 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 3: something to that that's called coaching and We've talked about it, 262 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: and we'll continue to talk about it. Like the alignment 263 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: between the guy who's in charge of talent acquisition and 264 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: the guy who's responsible for developing the talent. Those guys 265 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 3: have to be in locks up. And what you're seeing 266 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: is Veach and Andy Reid are very connected, and because 267 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: of their connectivity they ever have a lot of success. 268 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: I give you the underrated ingredient that people don't talk 269 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: about when they talk about these Kansas City Chiefs. You 270 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: can look at Andy gets the credit, Mahomes gets the credit, 271 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: Beach gets the credit. I can just tell you that 272 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: the secret sauce for this Kansas City Chiefs team is energy. 273 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: Watch them watch any Andy Reid team. Andy said this. 274 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: You know, our buddy John Gordon wrote a book on it, 275 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, on the energy bus and how you don't 276 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: want energy vampires. Andy used to say, as well, you 277 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: know what, I remember being in the building back in 278 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: like eleven and twelve, and he was like, look, everybody 279 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: we bring in here either brings energy or takes energy. 280 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: Like they either bring energy or they suck energy. And 281 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: you watch the Chiefs play. Just think about it through 282 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: that lens. Watch the energy that Isaiah Pacheco runs with 283 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: in placement. Watch Patrick or watch Patrick mahomes in the 284 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: juice that he brings when he's micd up, listen to 285 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: what he's saying. Look at Kelsey's gonna be the you know, 286 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest tight end history. But look at the 287 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: energy and the passion he brings to that group. Like 288 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: Chris Jones, people don't realize is big energy, like high 289 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: high energy. I mean, they've got dudes that that there, 290 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: that is an energetic bunch man. And I think that's 291 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: like something that we talk about talent, We talked about 292 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: quarterback that that is a secret sauce there for that team. 293 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: That is funny, you know, going all the way back 294 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: to my time with Green Bay and Andy Reid was 295 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: the tied end. His coach first, but he would kind 296 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: of coach. You know, I was on the scout team, 297 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: but it was always about, hey man, I need juice. 298 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: I need need juice. He gotta give him a look, 299 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: need juice. Need you guys run around? Need you buzzing around? 300 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: You're flying, h don't walk in between the things. Like 301 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: he was always big on that part of it. And 302 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: there's something to it. Whether you fake it till you 303 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: make or whatever. But I need that enthusiasm because it 304 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: is infectious. And when your best players bring that, man, 305 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: the rest of the team is forced to kind of 306 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: come with that. I think the unique thing about Andy 307 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: not only did you say Andy can deal with like 308 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: an imperfect player, he can deal with different personalities. You 309 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: can bring him different personalities and he can get them 310 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: to kind of be themselves while fitting in to the team. 311 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: I think that also is an underrated piece. They're not 312 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: all robots that come into Kansas City. He finds a 313 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: way to take guys that have different personalities and kind 314 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: of fit them into the puzzle without them disrupting the 315 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: entire puzzle. 316 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: That's the time. Yeh. 317 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: Think about the previous teams with Tyreek Hill and how 318 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: much energy he brought, juice he brought. Think about Deshaun Jackson, 319 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, think about Shady McCoy, you know Donavan McNabb, 320 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: like you go through. Yeah, yeah, a lot of Andy's 321 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: always had energy dudes, man. 322 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of different guys. 323 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: They're passionate about it, and he didn't mind their personality 324 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: kind of showing through in their play. 325 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. He lets you be yourself. Yeah, that's unique, man. 326 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: It's unique to find someone who is able to do 327 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: that but still have a discipline and detailed team. 328 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: To me, that's the trick. 329 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: He has a discipline and detailed team that still is 330 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: allowed to come and be themselves and do their thing. 331 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, go back to too being there, man. I know 332 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: it was a little rocky at times, but they had 333 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: some success there as well. All right, let's take a break, 334 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: we'll come back. We will jump into the forty nine 335 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: ers and how they were built right after this. All right, buck, 336 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: let's jump right in. I'm going to go through the 337 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: draftable guys here again. These are guys that started for 338 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: them in the NFC Championship game and homegrown players again 339 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: like the Chiefs, a bunch of them. Let's go all 340 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: the way back to twenty fifteen. Eric Armstead was a one, 341 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: George Kittle was in seventeen, is a fifth round pick. 342 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: Fred Warner third round pick he was in eighteen and nineteen. 343 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: Nick Bosa one, Deebo Samuel two, Drake Greenlaw five, twenty twenty. 344 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: Ayuk was a one. You've got mckivitz was a five 345 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: twenty one. You got three starters. You've got Aaron Banks 346 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: a guard as a two. Ambry Thomas is a three. 347 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: Is a corner leonor another corner slash safety. He could 348 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: he could play anywhere. He was a fifth, Sorry I 349 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: should say just a corner there. I saw, I saw 350 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: s but that was a five my bet. And then 351 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: you have brock Pertes seven and twenty two mister irrelevant. 352 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: And then this last year JayR. Brown who's had to 353 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: fill in for Hufunga. He was a third round pick. 354 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: So the thing, just real quick, and I'll kick it 355 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: over to you, is the foundation was built and they 356 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: were able to re sign you know, Armstead, Kittle, Warner, Bosa, 357 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: Deebo green Law like that's that's that was the foundation 358 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: for these guys, and they've been key and kind of 359 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: taken this new group of all these new players forward. 360 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: But they have a nucleus there that's been there for 361 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: a minute. 362 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, nucleus has been there for a minute. 363 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: When you go back and you talk about guys and 364 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: drafted in twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, that's a 365 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 3: lifetime in the National Football League, especially when you talk 366 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 3: about a career playing span is about four years. 367 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: If that they've done. 368 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 3: A really good job of being able to draft, develop, 369 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: and resign their own players when I look for common nominators. Look, 370 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 3: there was a time where all of their guys up 371 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 3: front were first round picks. They were drafted like. They 372 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: didn't mind committing big money, big draft capital to fill 373 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 3: in those gaps because they were a line of scrimmage team. 374 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: And they've continued to do that. 375 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 3: I think what would be interesting when we get to 376 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: the other vehicles of team building, That to me, is 377 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 3: where they've really crushed it. Free agency and the trade market. 378 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: In those areas, I believe they've come up with plenty 379 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: of gold. 380 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: All right, So let me just to put a bow 381 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: on the draft stuff. I talked about those foundational guys. 382 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: I'll say one, two, three, four, five, six, the most 383 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: veteran draft picks of theirs, the six guys, so they've 384 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: been there now. I would say this is the culture. 385 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: This is the culture established here starting with Armstead, Kittle, Warner, Bosa, Deebo, Greenlaw, 386 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: all those dudes, physical, physical, physical players, regardless of position. 387 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: And that is where the identity of this team was 388 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: formed right there. 389 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, physicality and toughness. They don't blink on that. When 390 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: you talk to coaches that have been there. They believe 391 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: in playing the game a certain way that has kind 392 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 3: of been established. Kyle Shanahan, what's a tough, physical team, 393 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: and they've gotten it, and the. 394 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: Players that they bring in fit. 395 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: That's so hass off to them in terms of just 396 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: making sure that the players that you bring in really 397 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: really fit the identity of the coach and the team. 398 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Yep, no doubt. You mentioned the other avenues here. No 399 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: undrafted free agent starters, which is kind of interesting for 400 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: either of these teams not having an undrafted free agent start. 401 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: It usually have one or two of those. But you 402 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: mentioned it free agency or waivers. You've got used check 403 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: that was in seventeen. You've got Jake Brendle the center, 404 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: in twenty You've got how about this one with Shavarious 405 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: Ward and twenty two and to Sean Gibson in that 406 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: same class, so you get a corner in a safety. 407 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: And then this last year they spent they spent big 408 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: money on Hargrave, which I would say is courtesy of 409 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: brock Perty being the starting quarterback, using that savings to 410 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: go spend some cash on Hargrave. And then John Feliciano 411 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: as well, So those two guys just came in the 412 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: last offseason, and if we let's hit on those guys 413 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: first and then we'll get to the trades because the 414 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: trades is kind of a sexy, sexy group here. 415 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, a very sexy group when it comes to the 416 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: trademarket DJ. 417 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: I will say this, in free agency, we talked about 418 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: plugging holes, but not only plugging holes, but if you 419 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: can in free agency you want to get some stars, 420 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: if you want to get some guys that can kind 421 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: of change the equation for your team. I go back 422 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: and I look at the players that are playing for 423 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: the Niners that have star power. Chadurius Ward has kind 424 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: of turned into a star player on the island. Javon Hargrave, 425 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: we know he's a star player at the point of attack. Cayle, 426 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 3: you check stars in his role as a fullback that 427 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 3: can do multiple things along the front. Those guys have 428 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 3: all hit and we talked about if this was we're 429 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: building the ultimate cupcake, right, the cake part of it 430 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: should be through the draft, but the icing and the 431 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: sprinkles that can come in other areas, and I think 432 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: they've added icing to the cake. But being able to 433 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: be really good and really effective identifying free agents that 434 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: fit what they need and being able to put them 435 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 3: in a situation to elevate the team and push the 436 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 3: team over the top. 437 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: And I would add that again from the identity when 438 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: you bring in a used check and a hard grave 439 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: and then ward, those guys all coming from good organizations 440 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: that have an identity themselves physical physical players. So they've 441 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: they've they've been able to tap into their kind of 442 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: their core of who they are. But let's get to 443 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: the trades here. There's not many of them, but they 444 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: are and they are a big time. Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, 445 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: and then most recently Chase Young. So those are the 446 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: guys they traded for. And you could say they've are 447 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: traded for the best left tackle, the best running back 448 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL. 449 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 3: You absolutely can and it kind of fits the p's 450 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 3: right as protector, playmaker, ass rusher. They got them all. 451 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 3: They identified a need. They are unafraid of making deals 452 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 3: to upgrade talent at marquee positions. Trem Williams best tackle 453 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: in football. They got him. Man, They took their game 454 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: up and remember he was coming off a troubled time 455 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 3: in Washington where he and the coach and couldn't get along, 456 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 3: couldn't get a new contract. 457 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: They plucked him, and look, where would you do it? 458 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 3: You think about the Carolina Panthers basically are off Christian 459 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: McCaffrey coming off a couple of injuries and those things. 460 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: People worried about his durability. He's been terrific for them, 461 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: so they made some gambles on the trademarkt and Chase 462 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 3: Young Chase Young. 463 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: I got a chance to see him immediately after the trade. 464 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: They came to Jacksonville. 465 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: He played, gave them some juice, did a little some 466 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: continue to fortify what they like up front because they 467 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 3: like to have premier talent at the line of scrimmage. 468 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: He's done that. 469 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: People who look at the sack products and say no, 470 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: I will say this. He's a different player for the 471 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 3: Niners than he was at the end of his commander's tenure. 472 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 3: It'd be interest to see if he comes back. But 473 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: they're not afraid of taking big swings at players that 474 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 3: can really help them and fill a huge void at 475 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 3: the mark spot. 476 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 477 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: I think they're you know, in terms of taking on 478 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: the salaries too. With with Trent and with McCaffrey, like 479 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: you could say, Okay, there's some risk there with both 480 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: those with both those guys who have you know, Trent 481 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: Williams is not super young Christian McCaffrey playing that position 482 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: and haven't been beat up a little bit, you know, 483 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: you could say, Okay, there's some risk there with those guys. 484 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: Trent Williams had an injury as well. So they aren't afraid. 485 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: They don't play scared. With how they played the game, 486 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: how they coach the game, I don't think from personnel standpoint, 487 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't think they were scared. Look, Trey Lance thing 488 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: was a big swing. It didn't work out, but they 489 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: acknowledged it. They traded him, they moved on. But I 490 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think you'll see them shy away 491 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: from the next big opportunity that presents themselves. 492 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: They're not scared, not in us getting to do that. 493 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: You've got to have an owner who isn't afraid, who 494 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 3: understands all of that. In the past, I've heard Year 495 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: York talk about without Brod Perdy's deal, they wouldn't have 496 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 3: been able to get a Javon Hargrad and those things, 497 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: And he talked about the collective salaries of the quarterback 498 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: room being at a reasonable number where they're okay with that. 499 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: It's okay that we had to do all the stuff 500 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: that we had to do with Trey Lance to get 501 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: them didn't work out, but we still got our franchise quarterback. 502 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: And when you're talking about the most important position in 503 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 3: football and you have to throw all the darts, you 504 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 3: throw all the darts until you find one, and if 505 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: you hit on one, no one cares about all the 506 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: stuff that you spent to get one. So no one 507 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: really gets on them about what it cost them to 508 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 3: get Trey Lance, because brock pretty was in the fole. 509 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 3: Do whatever you got to do to get a quarterback, 510 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: and once you get that, it works out. And so 511 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: then is being able to do that. But in doing that, 512 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: it allowed them to really upgrade the rest of the 513 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 3: roster because they have a quarterback, a young quarterback on 514 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: a cheap I mean a cheap ricky deal that even 515 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 3: beyond cheap that we talk about in terms of first 516 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: round quarterback, a cheap he nuts deal that brought pritties on. 517 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 3: That's allowed them to really go and upgrade the roster 518 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 3: in other ways. 519 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: Man, I also would say, and kind of wrapping this 520 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: up and closing this out, what a benefit when you 521 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: have alignment and the connection we talked about Brett Veach 522 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: and having that alignment connection with Andy Reid. Then you 523 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: go back to Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch in a 524 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: relationship that goes way beyond when they started working together. 525 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: They see the game the same way. It makes scouting easier. 526 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: You can go out and find guys that fit and 527 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: there's no adjustment needed. So that's a great example to 528 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: the rest of the league. Man, everyone wants to fire 529 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: everybody after the first little bit of adversity. There is 530 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: a great reward in this league if you have continuity, 531 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: and I think there's a pretty good example of that 532 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: here with these two teams. 533 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: Buck. 534 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, the continuity, the synergies, everything being in lockstep. And 535 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that you don't disagree, but it means 536 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 3: from a philosophical standpoint, there's a way that the team 537 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: must be constructed, and you guys believe in that and 538 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 3: that shared philosophy to shared belief it is critical to 539 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: being able to be successful over. 540 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: Over time, no doubt. All Right, Well that was it 541 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: today again. That was a little bit of a quick 542 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: one as we went into how those teams were built. 543 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: We will have a little bit more of a Super 544 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: Bowl preview coming up later in the week, so be 545 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: on the lookout for that and we will see you 546 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: next time right here on. 547 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 2: Move the sticks.