1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: I was a late bloomer. I'm like when you're baking 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: a cupcake, yeah, and you put a truth pick in 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: it to see if it's done. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: I was undone for a long time into my late forties. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 3: When you think about the history of American entertainment, the 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: sitcom really emerges as something uniquely American and lasting. And 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 3: so many iconic sitcoms have become cultural markers for so 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: many generations, from I Love Lucy to All in the Family, 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: to Sanford and Sons, then later Friends and Seinfeld and 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: Modern Family, and these sitcoms continue to capture audiences decades 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: after they went off the air. There may be no 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: more iconic classic American sitcom character than the Fonds. 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to do something for you, Cunningham, I never 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: did for anybody before. I'm going to teach you the 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: secret of being tough. Wow, you don't think I can. 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, fans, That's. 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: The secret played brilliantly by Henry Winkler on Happy Days. 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 3: The Fawns indoors fifty years later, literally fifty years ago 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: this year, Happy Days went on the air. It went 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: eleven seasons, two hundred and fifty five episodes. It is 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: such a part of the American story that Fawns's leather 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: jacket is in the National Museum of American History. I 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: am so thrilled to have on an absolute American treasure today, 25 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: Henry Winkler, Welcome to Off the Cup. 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: I am so happy to be here. I can't tell. 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: You, Oh we do, we do? Okay. I want to 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: talk about happy days. I want to talk about scream. 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: I want to talk about arrested development. I want to 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: talk about Barry. I want to talk about fishing. But 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: first I want to talk about you. You're born in 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: New York City. We've had many guests on who were 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: born in New York City. 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: Something sort of creative, creative about growing up in New 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: York City. 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: What what kind of kid were you? 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: I was outgoing to cover my shyness. I was dyslexic. 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: I used humor to cover my inability to get anything right. 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I was uh constantly in fear of my parents erupting 40 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: into Mount Vesuvius. 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: Okay, I was. 42 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: I was insecure, So I never went out with the 43 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: girl I wanted to. That's it, That's that's that's it. 44 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: Were you? You said you used humor to cover your 45 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: your insecurities. Were you fine? Were you a funny kid? 46 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I made people laugh, but I never 47 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: had a sense of self, so I never could see 48 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: And this is all true. You know. I was that 49 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: bowl of jello before you put it in the refrigerator. 50 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: I was just bouncing all over the place. 51 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were afraid of your parents? Did they 52 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: have a temper? 53 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: They had a temper that was outrageous because I never 54 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: could compute what was going to set them off. I 55 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: would walk out of my bedroom. I was happy to 56 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: greet the day. I then was bombarded, and I don't 57 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: even know why. I went back into my bedroom and 58 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: listened to music in order to come back down to earth. Yeah. 59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: That kind of upbringing can create a sort of trauma 60 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: that creates a person who's kind of constantly in a 61 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: state of fight or flight. 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 63 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: Was that how you experienced the world growing up? 64 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: I always experienced the world as if I was less than. 65 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: Everybody knew more than I did. You know, the executives 66 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: when I got to ABC, I would call everybody sir. 67 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: They were all my superiors, and they were not much 68 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: older than I was. Yeah, and they kept saying, stop 69 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: calling me sir, and I couldn't. 70 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, so did you want to act? 71 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: I know eventually you got there in. 72 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: Schooling from the beginning, from the beginning, you were drawn 73 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: to this. 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: If I've said this a many times, if people were 75 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: born to do something, I was born to try to act. 76 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: Well, you did more than try. 77 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: I mean I was just looking at some of your 78 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 3: very long resume. There's a lot of theater in there. 79 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: I mean, you've just done so much. And we'll get 80 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: into your career. But you go from sort of a 81 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: a not great student to to Emerson College in Boston. 82 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: Right, the one Emerson was the one college that accepted 83 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: me out. 84 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: Of twenty eight Yeah, right right. 85 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: I wrote, Oh my goodness that you had to write 86 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: those essays. Yeah, I thought I was never going to 87 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: get out of my bedroom. 88 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: Well you got in, and Emerson's a great college for drama. 89 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: And I'm from Boston, I know it really well. Did 90 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: you find like you had found your people, you had 91 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: found your place, You'd found kind of who you were there. 92 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I still wasn't whole as a person, so I was 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: just so happy to be there. Yeh. And I love Boston. 94 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: I always think of Boston as a city that is 95 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: small enough to make your own, large enough to learn 96 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: your independence, and delicious Regenas pizza in the North End. 97 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: Yes, totally. Oh that's great. And then you go to 98 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: Yale School of Drama. 99 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 3: That's a big deal for someone who you know didn't 100 00:05:58,880 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: do well in school. 101 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't have to take a math test. 102 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: Okay, yes, you know. 103 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm in the bottom three percent academically in America. So 104 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: all I had to do was two monologues. I did 105 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: a modern and I did a classical. I did Shakespeare. 106 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: I did Launce and the Dog, and all I could 107 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: remember was Launce and the Dog. And then I made 108 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: up the rest, I literally and not even in I 109 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: am pentameter. I just made up Shakespeare what. 110 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: He'd say, Well, that's a skill. Improvisation is a skill. 111 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: So in nineteen seventy three, your agent tells you, yes, 112 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: to go west, to leave New York, go out to California. 113 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: What was that like? 114 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: Frightening? I am short, I do not have or do 115 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: not have, but I did not have blonde hair, and 116 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: my name was Henry and not Chad. So I thought, 117 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, and I you know, I spent most 118 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: of my life talking myself into talking myself out of 119 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: talking myself into so I created a trench in the 120 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: rug in my living room until I got on that 121 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: plane September eighteenth, nineteen seventy three. 122 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: Did you find work immediately? 123 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: I went to my first audition in my first week 124 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Mary Tyler Moore show, which was The Friends of that time. 125 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I want to tell you, by the 126 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: time I got back to my cubicle, which was at 127 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: Stephanie Axelrod's apartment, it was the hallway, the tiny vestibule 128 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: between her one room apartment, a doorway that led to 129 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: the bathroom, and I slept on the couch on the 130 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: couches cushions in that vestibule for two and a half weeks. 131 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. And by the time I got 132 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: back there, Yeah, they called and said, you have the 133 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: part on the Mary Tyler Moore shoe. I was Rhoda's date, Richard. 134 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for inviting me to dinner. 135 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 4: DA set a place for. 136 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: Him at the little Did you tell your parents to watch? 137 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: I did? I did, But my parents, Now, this was 138 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: the standard sentence when I would call I got into 139 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: drama school. I'm not going to take over the family 140 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: lumber business. Oh, this is Clay here. Tell your father. Hey, 141 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm here. You're in Hollywood. I don't think I can 142 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: come home. I got a job. Oh this is Clay here, 143 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: I tell your father. 144 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 145 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: They were just completely supportive people. 146 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: And the German just adds a layer to it as well. 147 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: Does So how do you get the role of Arthur Vonsrelly. 148 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: So that's the second week I'm in California. My agent, 149 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: Joon Scott, said to me, go and try out for 150 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: this new series. And I am under the spell of 151 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: Yale Drama School and we are trained for the theater. 152 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I said. 153 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can go and try out 154 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: for a series. You know, I don't know if I 155 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: can do it. She said, will you just shut up 156 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: and go and meet those people. So I drive my 157 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: little rented green Capri to Paramount Studios. I walk in. 158 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: Everybody sitting there waiting, every actor waiting to go in. 159 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: Mickey Dolenz from The Monkeys, who I watch I have 160 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:26,239 Speaker 1: seen on TV. My turn hair down to my shoulders. 161 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: I walk in and I don't know what happened, but 162 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: I changed my voice and when I changed my voice. 163 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, this fons came out. I had 164 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: six lines. Then I looked at the man who was 165 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: reading the other part with me, and I said, hey, 166 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: don't you look at me like that, threw the script 167 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: up in the air, saunted out of the room. On 168 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: my birthday. At the end of the month, when my 169 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: money ran out, when I had to go back to 170 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: New York, they called and said, would you like to 171 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: do this character on the show. 172 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: So you're coming out of Yale. 173 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: It's not just a series, it's the series in which 174 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: you're playing sort of like a greaser. You know, right, 175 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: This is not the turn you thought you would take 176 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: coming out. 177 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: Of Absolutely not. Now. The character was fun. Yeah, but 178 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,479 Speaker 1: you know, all of the actors at Yale, I thought, 179 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: were you know, we're doing we're doing theater? Yeah, do 180 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: you know? 181 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 182 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: And what I found out was that when the show 183 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: started to get successful, when Phonsie started to become a thing, yeah, 184 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: almost every actor that I went to Yale with showed 185 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: up on the soundstage and said can I meet somebody? 186 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? Suddenly the series was good. 187 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: Enough, right, Oh my goodness. And then it lasted for 188 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: ten wonderful years and Just a few days ago, I 189 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: was on the Emmys with Ron, celebrating fifty years on 190 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: not only our friendship, but of this incredible moment in 191 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: my life. 192 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: So the show initially wasn't going well and Gary Marshall 193 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: decided to sort of retool and he elevated Fonsie to 194 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: a more major character. Did you feel the pressure of 195 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: that decision and sort of like you had to deliver 196 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 3: for this show? 197 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: No, because I'll tell you why. I love that. I 198 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: had a little more to do because I only worked 199 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: one day a week. When it was one camera, it 200 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: like a little movie. Now there were one hundred shows 201 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: on the air. That's it. Now there are like five thousand. Yeah, 202 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: so only one hundred shows. We were number forty eight, 203 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: not good enough for ABC. We were going to be 204 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: taken off the air. Gary said, you know what, We're 205 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: going to do it in front of a live audience, 206 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: three camera. Ron Howard had never been in front of 207 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: a live audience in his life. He had done film 208 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: and television. I was walking by the costume department, a 209 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: little cubicle on sound stage nineteen. I looked in and 210 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: he is bent over, he is sweating bullets. We do 211 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: the show. Ron is like a miracle. You would never 212 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: know that this was his first time. He was magnificent. 213 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: We became unbelievable acting partners. And then the Faunds started 214 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: to grow. The show grew, and we went from the 215 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: bottom ABC at the bottom because there were only three networks, yeah, 216 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: to number one. 217 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: So in the height of Fonzie Mania, I mean, what 218 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: was that like for you? 219 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: Now? This is my thought. I think there is a component, 220 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: an emotional component to being dyslexic. So because I had 221 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: no sense of self still, no matter who I was playing, 222 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: no matter what the reaction was to the fawns, Henry 223 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: is still in there. Yeah, okay. I never believed what 224 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: people were saying the adulation, never believed they really felt 225 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: this way. Wow, couldn't be right. Yeah, I'm not any smarter. 226 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: You don't know how to add. I can't read. And 227 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: then I met Stacy and we had you know, I 228 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: got Jed was a gift with the marriage or this 229 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: little four year old boy came into my life, right, 230 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: and that kept you grounded also. 231 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: So how did you. 232 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: Crawl out of that seemingly crippling insecurity. How did you 233 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: get to a place where you believed it you believed 234 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: you were good enough. 235 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. The truth of the matter is age. 236 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: I was a late bloomer. I'm like when you're baking 237 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: a cupcake and you put a truth pick in it 238 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: to see if it's done. Yeah, I was undone for 239 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: a long time into my late forties. 240 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: That such a great way of putting it. 241 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: And about ten years ago I met a psychiatrist. I 242 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: was just getting so discombobulated it and I started seeing her. 243 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: And if I were to give this woman a gift, 244 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: it would have to be the size of a skyscraper. Yeah. 245 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: Life changing. 246 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: Right, Oh my goodness. 247 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: I know, I know, And I want to talk to 248 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: you about mental health because it's something we both care 249 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: a lot about. 250 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: So tell me about tell me about jumping the shark. 251 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So now, I was a water ski instructor in 252 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: summer camp before I ever got to Hollywood. We lived 253 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: on a lake above our means in Mayo, pac New York, 254 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: a wonderful little town out about an hour outside of 255 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: the city. I didn't know until way later that my 256 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: father couldn't afford it, but he showed the world. We 257 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: added it was nice. I had a great time. 258 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: Huh. 259 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: Okay. So my father said, tell Gary Marshall E Vordski. 260 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: I said, I'm not going to tell him. I waterski. 261 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: Tell guy Marshall, you Vordski. About a hundred times. I 262 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: finally said, Gary, my father, he wants you to know 263 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: I water ski. I called my father. I said, okay, 264 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: I did it. Check the next thing I know, I'm 265 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: on water skis jumping a shark. There's a guy John 266 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: him at Michigan State. He's watching Happy Days with his 267 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: roommate and they go, well, that is crazy that he's 268 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: on water skis. That's jumping the shark, which became the phrase, yeah, 269 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: now here's the thing. Every time they showed me jumping 270 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: the shark. There were newspapers at that time people actually read, 271 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: and there was a picture of me on water skis. 272 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: And I had good legs at that time, so I didn't. 273 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: Care, like this is great. 274 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: Hello, And we were still number one for like five 275 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: years later, right, So it caught on, but never touched 276 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: Happy Days. 277 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: That's so fascinating. So in the moments, this wasn't something 278 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: you had to internalize. 279 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: And didn't care. It's and here it is as ye 280 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: I am the only actor. I think maybe in the 281 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: world who has jumped the shark twice, once on Happy 282 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: Days and once on arrested development. 283 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 2: You got to lead into it, I. 284 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: Think I hold the record. Yeah. 285 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: Okay, so Happy Days ends, and you've talked about the 286 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: psychic pain. 287 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 2: True of what that was like. Talk about the end 288 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: of Happy Days and what happens for you next. 289 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: So I had a plan, my plan A. I had 290 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: no plan B. 291 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 292 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: So now I'm in my office, I'm at the top 293 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: of the mountain. Yeah, and I'm thinking, Okay, I'm going 294 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: to be typecasting. H I'm just gonna I mean, the 295 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: Fawns is so big in a hundred countries. I'm going 296 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: from mountaintop to mountaintop, right. Not true. I could not 297 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: get hired. I also was completely frozen. I didn't know 298 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: what do I do next? Could it be as powerful 299 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: as the fawns. I don't want to do some something 300 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: just to do it. Yeah, And I wasn't being asked. 301 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: So all of that together, I thought my life is over. 302 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: And I sat in my office at Paramount and my lawyer, 303 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: Skip Brittenham the Third said I'm going to start a 304 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: product company for you, and I said, I can't do that. 305 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: I know nothing about business. I know nothing about producing, 306 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: and he said, you'll learn. You know, you produce what 307 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: you like. Yeah, you produce what you want to see. 308 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: So the first show that came in was about this 309 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: guy who fixed everything, and mcgiver was the first show 310 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: that my partner and I are sold to ABC. And 311 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: then you realize there are things you can do, yeah, 312 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: and the things you can't do, there are other people 313 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: who can do them. 314 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: Right. 315 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: I know that this is so familiar because I know 316 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: in my business, especially for women, we have to confront 317 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: this idea that one day, likely before we are ready, 318 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 3: our TV careers will end, will be traded in and 319 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 3: shelved for younger talent, and we have to sort of 320 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: confront this idea. Well, what do I do next when 321 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: that happens to me? I'm so defined by what I do? 322 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 3: And are there other ways to do this? Are there 323 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: other things to do? And how will I reinvent myself? 324 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 3: And add on to that the fact that you're in 325 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 3: public going through this. 326 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: You just said the operative word, the courage to reinventah. 327 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: And when you don't know what to do, you don't 328 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: do anything. You just let it percolate because your ambition 329 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: is there, your want is there, and so you being 330 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: smart with your ambition, it will come to you. I'm 331 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: not kidding. I'm telling you it is the way the 332 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: world works. But you cannot be frightened. I'll say I 333 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: had a problem in two thousand and three. I had 334 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: just finished doing a Broadway play with John Ritter. Came 335 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: back to LA. Couldn't get hired. What do I do? 336 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: Somebody said, write books for children about your dyslexia. I said, 337 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: I can't do that either. I'm very good at talking 338 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: my way out of any suggestion. Yeah, he said, I'll 339 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: introduce you to my friend we broke Hank Zipster by 340 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: will I made Esther Newberg my agent take it because 341 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: I don't do children's books. Yeah, and all of a 342 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: sudden I have a new profession, right or Our fortieth 343 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: children's book is coming out in October. 344 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 345 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes creativity and new chapters come out of not like 346 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: a desperation, but but a. 347 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: Necessity that's a necessity to reinvent. 348 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: Necessity is the invention or invention is the necessity of 349 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: your life? Yeah, yeah, or one of those combinations of words. 350 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really scary, though, it's scary to confront, especially 351 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 3: when you've done something for a long time and you 352 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: love doing it. You can't think of anything else that 353 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: you could do, or that it will work, or what 354 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: will people think about it. But when you walk up 355 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: to that precipice, I think it's important to lean in. 356 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my, you have said it. That is exactly it. 357 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: You jump and you fly, and because you are smart 358 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: and because you actually know what you know. Yeah, and 359 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: because you are very verbal and clear, all of a 360 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: sudden you sprout wings. Yeah. 361 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: Well that's great. That's really encouraging and great advice. 362 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: So you you only you just said in the last 363 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: ten years, can you ask. 364 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: You a question? Yeah? 365 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: Of course. 366 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so we're talking about professional Yeah, but you're a mom, yeah, okay, 367 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: when you were thinking about being a mom when you 368 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: were pregnant? Yeah, did the thoughts go through your hand? 369 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: What do I do? Do I know how to do this? 370 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: All of a sudden I'm responsible? Yeah? 371 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: Of course. 372 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: Did that ever hit you? 373 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 2: Of course? 374 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: It is exactly the same journey. And now you can't 375 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: even imagine your life without And. 376 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: I can't imagine. 377 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I would not have guessed that I would 378 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: have been so good at being a mom so quickly. 379 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: You just said it again. Yeah, yeah, I would not 380 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: have guests. You don't know what you can do. Yeah, 381 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: until you put one foot in front of the other 382 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: and just try. 383 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 2: Yes, it's really it's really good advice. It's really good advice. 384 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: You said that you only just started getting mental health 385 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: help years ago. 386 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: Yes, right, I tried before that. 387 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: Okay, tell me. I went to see guy and what 388 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: what did you seek help for? 389 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: But it's a confusion of I'm supposed to be this, 390 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: this is happening, this stopped happening. I don't know what 391 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: to do. I'm getting all for shimmelt. I better talk 392 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: to somebody. Yeah. So I talked to this guy for 393 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: about a year. 394 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: How old are you? 395 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: I was. This was let's say, ten years before I 396 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: found the doctor of my dreams. 397 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And all of a sudden, the. 398 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: Guy says, after a year, he said, let me ask you, 399 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: would you read a script? And I went check? Please, 400 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you. That was so lovely of you, 401 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: and I hope you live in health. And I left 402 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: and they were so inappropriate whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I 403 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: wasn't sure it was in a appropriate but I felt 404 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: that this something wrong here. Yes, So now I go 405 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: ten years trying to figure it out, trying to work 406 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: my way through it, and then I meet this wonderful 407 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: doctor who doesn't say a word. I sit down in 408 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: the chair. Hi, how are you. 409 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 2: Nice to see him? 410 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: Have any kids? And she says, how will that help? You? 411 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: Never ask another question? I think. I think nine years 412 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: in I found out she doesn't like peanut butter. 413 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah right, yes, I've learned not to ask my therapist 414 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 3: questions either. 415 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. 416 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: But it's so, this is interesting because I ask you 417 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: this and you don't say I had depression. You don't 418 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 3: say I had anxiety, you don't say you talk about 419 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 3: real normal stuff. I was confused. I didn't know who 420 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 3: I was, you know, meant to be. I think people 421 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: think of when they think of getting help for mental health, 422 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: they have to have some diagnosable illness or disorder for. 423 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: That to be helpful, and in fact, it can be. 424 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 3: Helpful because you're you're confused, you're struggling, you just need 425 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 3: someone to talk to. 426 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: A tune up. If you start as a tune up, 427 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, as you peel away the layers 428 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: here it is once again, it is are you brave 429 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: enough to admit yeah, oh I'm not exactly who I 430 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: think I am. Yes, all I thought I had that 431 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: button down. I don't totally. 432 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: If you're brave enough, it is like I don't know, 433 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 4: it's like flying among the clouds when you're released from 434 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 4: your own craziness. 435 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and when things are given words right, I 436 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: went in. I don't really know what was wrong with me. 437 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 3: I just had a total nervous breakdown. And when you 438 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: know a doctor says, well, this is anxiety. You have 439 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: very severe anxiety. And what you're doing is called catastrophizing, 440 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: or what you're doing is called transference, and there's terminology 441 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 3: for the things. 442 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 2: It just feels so reassuring that you're not crazy. This 443 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: is a thing. 444 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: People know what this is, and you're not alone, and. 445 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: You're not alone. Exactly right, exactly right. 446 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 3: And in addition to like dealing with my anxiety, I 447 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 3: also just found it was such a relief for someone 448 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 3: to tell me take the pressure off yourself. Don't you 449 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 3: don't have to be like a perfect mom, be a 450 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: good enough mom, because if you're perfect, your son won't 451 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: know what it's like to be imperfect and of course 452 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: he is imperfect. 453 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 2: We all are. 454 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: How old is he now? 455 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 3: He's nine nine? Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's a great age. 456 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: And he's great. And you know, part of my going 457 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: to therapy was so I didn't pass on my anxiety 458 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: to him, and so I'm doing the work right so 459 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: that he doesn't. 460 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: You know what, We can never be perfect as parents. Never. 461 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: My son, my youngest son, Max, he directed his first movie, 462 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: and I went and died into you know, it was 463 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: helpful if I did press with him. Yeah, And all 464 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he says, I think, you know, to 465 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: a major magazine. He said, my problem is my parents 466 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: loved me too much. I said, Max, Okay, let's stop 467 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: right there. 468 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 4: Let me tell you this, Okay, just so you know, 469 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 4: if I did it over again, I would do it 470 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 4: exactly the same. 471 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: Way, because I was not going to be like my parents. 472 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: So sorry, right, Yes, if I have to apologize for 473 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: loving you too much, I will do it. I will 474 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: do that. But I don't know how to be any different. 475 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: Really. 476 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 3: Let's talk fishing. Yeah, we have this in common. We 477 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 3: love we love fishing. 478 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: Yes, and wait about what kind of fishing do you love? Well? 479 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 3: I fly fish, but I also spinfish, so I do 480 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: I do deep sea, I do river and stream. I 481 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: fish in Alaska the salmon beautiful confluence. Yeah, that's like 482 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: uh going up on the KENI in the Russian River 483 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: confluence to yank salmon out and then I skin it 484 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: right on the river bank and I cook it over 485 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: a fire. 486 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: I mean it feels so primal. I gotta tell you, 487 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: as a woman. 488 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: I have never felt so strong as when I'm out 489 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere with nothing but a fishing rod, 490 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 3: right and a sack of salmon. Row is what I 491 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 3: was using as bait and just yanking these fish out 492 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: and cooking them myself. I mean, it was awesome. It's 493 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 3: an It's a very empowering feeling. 494 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: I hear it, it sounds it. I have to say, 495 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: I could not do that. I could not go by myself. 496 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: Oh no, I couldn't. 497 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: There's that part of it. 498 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 3: And then there's the sort of zen relaxing, Yeah, hard 499 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 3: of fishing. 500 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just it's just you and the nature. 501 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, fish, Yeah, explain what drew you to fishing. 502 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm lucky. Skip Brittenham the third once again said 503 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: we're taking I'm taking you and Stacy down the Smith 504 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: River in Montana. Huh okay. We go in boats down 505 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: the river. There's a bunch of people in different boats 506 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: and they set up camp. Then they go further after 507 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: lunch and they set up camp and we go sleep 508 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: out on the stars. 509 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 510 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: Five days. Now, I don't catch you much. I catch 511 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: like one or two fish in five days, but no 512 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: pun intended. I'm hooked. Since eighty six eighty eight, Stacy 513 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: and I have gone fly fishing at least once. 514 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: A year, always Montana. Do you go other places? 515 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: No? Now we go Idaho. 516 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: The snake, the snake the best. 517 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: What a great fishery. 518 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 2: It's so good. 519 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: Oh. Now, since you brought it up, of course, it 520 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: will be my pleasure to show you. 521 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: Please do my last fish, please do. 522 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: Oh. Here I am with some of the cast of 523 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. When I went to the Emmys. I 524 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: like to take selfies with famous people. 525 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: Just like the rest of us. 526 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: I really do. Okay, can you see that? Oh? 527 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, gor Yeah. 528 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: I give them a kiss. Yeah, I sign a laminated 529 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: picture of the fawns put it in its mouth. I'm 530 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: hanging in uh in nests all over the West, amazing. Yes, 531 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't show you pictures of my wife's fish because 532 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: they're bigger. 533 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: It's a good rule to live by. I do, thank you, 534 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: thank you. 535 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 3: I love fishing so much and it's a hobby I 536 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: enjoy with my husband. He mostly fly fishes, I mostly spinfish, 537 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 3: but we both do both. And right now he's out 538 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 3: doing I think the false albal core run out on 539 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: Long Island soon. So I mean, do we do it all? 540 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: Is it something that you've passed on to your kids? 541 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: I to Wednesday. I In a few days, I am 542 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: taking our thirteen year old grandson to Idaho for the 543 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: first time. Love that he is so excited. Stacy and 544 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: I are going to take him for two days to 545 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: see what it's like, to see if he enjoys it. 546 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 3: That's so great and it's so important to pass this 547 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 3: on to younger generations. 548 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: Yes, the sport. Yeah, because we got to. We got 549 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: to keep it alive. 550 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 3: It's such a it's such a great pastime. Okay, I 551 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: want to go back to your career for a second. Yeah, 552 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 3: do you ever regret turning down the role of Danny Zuko? 553 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: No? Now, my joke is this, I've said it a 554 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: million times. I said, no, I've done the funds. I 555 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. I went home. I 556 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: had a seven up. John Travolta said, yes, he went 557 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: home and bought a plane. 558 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 3: Yeah right, it worked out for him. 559 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. 560 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, very similar roles. Who would blame 561 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: you for not wanting? 562 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: But here's the other thing that I learned. Yeah, you 563 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: don't beat the system. Uh huh, you don't really, no 564 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: matter what it is in this life, beat the system. 565 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: So I should have just shut up up and done 566 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: it and had a good time. The other thing is 567 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: I don't sing, so they would have hired the same 568 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: woman who sang for somebody in the movies to sing 569 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. 570 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: Right, well it worked out for everybody. 571 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: I think I did. 572 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 2: Tell me how Scream came to you? 573 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: Okay? So I met Wes Craven, bless his soul, wonderful, 574 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: like an English professor. He wore tweed. We went to 575 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: have sushi together several times, and he said, hey, I'm 576 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: making a brand new movie. It's called Scream. There's a 577 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: small part. You want to be in it. So of 578 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: course I want to be in it. So I go 579 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: up to Santa Rosa, and we shoot scream. 580 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: So you don't have to audition. 581 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,439 Speaker 1: He gives you the role, He gives me the role, 582 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: the principal. 583 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a great time. 584 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have tubes up and down, my body filled 585 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: with a blood. When when ghost Face stabs me and 586 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: it comes shooting out of me and I'm no, and 587 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: I fall down and he stands over me and he said, 588 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: do you think it might be a little more excruciating? 589 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: I said, I don't know. He said, do you think 590 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 1: you would scream a little louder? I said, I can 591 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: do that. I get cleaned up, I get refilled with blood. 592 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: Blow. 593 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: Now I'm screaming like a maniac. Now two and a 594 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: half hours, they shoot my eyeball with the reflection yeah 595 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: ghost Face. Yes, okay, Now the film is over and 596 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: they say, I'm so sorry. They studio, we can't put 597 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: your name on the film. We can't put you on 598 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: the poster. Why because you were the fawns and you're 599 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,959 Speaker 1: going to knock the balance of the horror off. Oh. 600 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 3: Interesting, So you were sort of a surprise when people 601 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 3: watched it the first time. 602 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know it. 603 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, my name isn't there, but hey, I 604 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: did the movie. It was fun. Now they test the 605 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: movie mm hmm. They show it to an audience so 606 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: the audience can write down on little cards too long, here, 607 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: didn't like this, cut this love that? Give it to 608 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: the director. First test screening, my character walks on the screen. 609 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: I get applause. 610 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 2: Ah yeah. 611 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: Same people come to me now and they say, would 612 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: you do press for the movie? 613 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 2: Now suddenly the fons doesn't matter, It. 614 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: Doesn't matter anymore. I go, of course I will. So 615 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: you never know. You just keep moving f one foot 616 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: in front of the other. And now I have signed 617 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: six billion screen posters. 618 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 2: It was a great role. It was a great role, 619 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 2: and you were so good at it. It was great. 620 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 2: You go on to. 621 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 3: Huge, huge shows when you say yes to something like 622 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 3: Arrested Development or Barry, do you know they're going to 623 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 3: be huge? 624 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: You never know. What you know is my tummy is saying, yes, 625 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: you should do this. So I get out of the 626 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: car on Fox lot. Now remember also I am still 627 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: you drive onto major movie studios in Hollywood. That date 628 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: goes up. Good morning, mister Winkler. Oh my god. Yeah, 629 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: you never get over it. I've getting I have a 630 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: parking space, first day on arrested development. I get out 631 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: of the car and there is fifteen year old Michael 632 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: Sarah with his mom from Canada. Honest to God, I 633 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: shake his hand and I say to him, Wow, I 634 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: am going to see you for a long time. You 635 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: felt this aura off this little shy guy, and then 636 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: of course he is the most wonderful. Okay. Now I'm 637 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: in the living room with the Bluth family. They're all 638 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm their lawyer who knows nothing about 639 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: the law. But sitting in front of me is a 640 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: stack of pastry. I open my attached case and as 641 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm talking, I just pull the napkin that the pastry 642 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: is sitting on a little closer to the edge of 643 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: the coffee table and allow them to fall into my briefcase. 644 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: No one told me to do this. I just thought, 645 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: I don't make a lot of money. I'm going to 646 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: be hungry. This makes sense for him, It makes sense 647 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: from that moment I stayed five years. 648 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 2: Wow, and what about Barry, what did you think when 649 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 2: you were pitched? Barry? 650 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm driving down Ventura Boulevard in the valley in California, 651 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: in La I get a phone call in the car 652 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: HBO HBO. Bill Hayter watched him for seven years. Yeah, 653 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: they want you to come in and audition for a show. 654 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: It's you're on a short list. I said, is Dustin 655 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: Hoffman on that list? Because if he is, I'm not 656 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: going in because he's an Academy Award winner. Okay, they 657 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: said no. I said, okay, my son, my son, Max 658 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,240 Speaker 1: the Youngest, is a director. He's here at our house. 659 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: When I get the script, he is now directing me. 660 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: He's yelling at me very strict stop improvising. I said, 661 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: but I've done that all my life. He said, not 662 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: this time. Respect the writer. I said, Okay. I go 663 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: in and I auditioned for Bill aleck Berg. His partner 664 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: is not there. I make Bill Hayter, I make Bill 665 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: Hayter laugh. I then get called back alick Berg is there. 666 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: I make alick Berg smile because he doesn't give much away. Yeah, 667 00:41:54,520 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: there's no laugh. Yeah, there's a smile. I wait and 668 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: they call and say you want to play this part. 669 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: I said, yes, I do, Yeah, yees I do. And 670 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 1: it is one of the greatest theatrical experiences of my life. 671 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 672 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I got the Fonds at twenty seven. I got 673 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: Barry at seventy two. 674 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing book ends, Oh my god, amazing. Okay, I 675 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 2: want to do a lightning round. This is going to 676 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 2: be fun. 677 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: Okay, well, let me just tell you it's going to 678 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: be more fun because this is fund. 679 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 2: I'm so glad. I'm so glad we did this, me too. 680 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: Okay, can we tell people just for a moment. Yes, 681 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: I followed you on Twitter okay originally, and I always 682 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,240 Speaker 1: thought you were so smart, and I would answer you yeah. 683 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:04,359 Speaker 1: And then we went from that to DM whatever that means. Yeah, yeah, right, 684 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: you know with the other the private thing. 685 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 686 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: And then we talked there and then you said, oh 687 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm having a sun right you son? Yeah? And I said, oh, 688 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: I'll send him like a book a row. 689 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. 690 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: And then and here we are. 691 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 3: I know, today, nine years later, oh almost ten years later, 692 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 3: my god. 693 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 694 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: Okay, now, thank you a little diversion, Well. 695 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 2: Thank you for that. 696 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: I digress. 697 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 2: This is a this moment is a is a highlight. 698 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,959 Speaker 2: Let me tell you thank you me too. Okay. Here's 699 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 2: the lightning room. Yeah, you can only fish one more time. 700 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 2: Where do you go? 701 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: I would go to Argentina. Oh, I would go down 702 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the Topeka Reo, down at the 703 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: bottom of the Patagonia. Yes, the fish are so big. 704 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: I only went once in my life. I could have 705 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: ridden it back to La. 706 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one. That's a good one. 707 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 1: Okay, I could have saddled that shrout up. 708 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay. You can only bring one person fishing. 709 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 1: Who is it, well, you mean other than my family? Yeah, 710 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: who would I bring? Brandy Carlisle. Brandy Carlisle is a 711 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: major fisher person. 712 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 2: Stop it. 713 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: I I die for her, me too. I must hug her. 714 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: I've seen her twice in a concert. I have to 715 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: hug her before I leave the venue. I wrangle my 716 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: way backstage, give her a hug, and I can go home. Yeah. 717 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 2: I did not know she fished. Oh major, that's amazing. 718 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 3: I'm such a fan. Okay, the three of us have 719 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 3: to go mus go fishing, of course. 720 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay. Favorite sitcom of all time besides Happy. 721 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: Days that I did, or that I watched, that you watched, 722 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: that I watched, Okay, that I watched, I would have 723 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: to say All in the Family Classic Hard I mean 724 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: so everything, yeah, so everything. 725 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 3: That leads perfectly into this next one, which is a 726 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 3: cruel question. This is a cruel question. 727 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna cry. 728 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 2: No, Okay, it's going to be hard. Okay, Okay. 729 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 3: You are making a show you can choose or a 730 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 3: movie you can choose. One director? Is it the late 731 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 3: Gary Marshall, Ron Howard or Rob Reiner? 732 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: Oh? I would have to say. I was directed by 733 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: Ron in Night Shift. 734 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 2: Yes. 735 00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: He it was his dream to become this mega director 736 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: in the world. 737 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 738 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: Gary Marshall was just an out and out genius. Yeah. 739 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean the word was invented or written for him. Yeah. Yeah, 740 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: I have no answer for that question. 741 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:21,919 Speaker 2: I told you it was hard. 742 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 743 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:23,359 Speaker 2: I believe Rob. 744 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: Rob is a wonderful fellow. I would have a meal 745 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: with him. 746 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 747 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 3: Okay, this is a bit of a quiz. What did 748 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 3: Grahama Nusts bomb Paul Phonsie? 749 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: Oh that's such a good question. Would you tell me? 750 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,439 Speaker 1: Because I don't have the slightest idea skippy? There you go, 751 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,439 Speaker 1: like the peanut butter? 752 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,359 Speaker 2: Which presidential candidate did Phonzie endorse in nineteen fifty six? 753 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 1: Ike, you got it? 754 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,399 Speaker 2: What is a garage apartment sometimes referred to today. 755 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: Above the garage. I have no idea what it's referred to. 756 00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 2: Phonsie flat. 757 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 1: It's a thought, no kidding, yep. 758 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,240 Speaker 3: That sometimes if you like go on Zillo sometimes and 759 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 3: you're reading about like a house description. Sometimes it'll even 760 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,439 Speaker 3: say with a Fonsie flat on top. 761 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I had no idea. 762 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 2: That's real. 763 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Gives me a whole new sense of self. 764 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 2: You're a legend. 765 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: You're like am I'm an apartment. 766 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 3: Okay, this is not going to be as hard as 767 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 3: I thought it was, thank god, because of something you 768 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 3: just said. 769 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,399 Speaker 2: Okay, what line is this from? Pimp? Is an ugly word? 770 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 2: We can call ourselves love brokers. 771 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I. 772 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 2: Was gonna surprise you with that, but you just mentioned 773 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 2: night shows. 774 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: I got no But you know what, what a wonderful 775 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: film and it still holds up. 776 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 2: And I tell you something, I watched it last night. 777 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 2: Oh you did so funny. 778 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: Michael Keaton was the last person that we auditioned out 779 00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: of every young man in Hollywood. Wow, And within thirty 780 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: seconds we were at the end of the list. We 781 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: had no idea what else to do? Yeah, within thirty seconds, 782 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: Ron looked at me. I looked at him and went, 783 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 1: we found him. 784 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,240 Speaker 2: Oh, totally, no one else, I mean, no one else. 785 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: Amazing. 786 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 2: Such a great movie. It's a great movie. 787 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,359 Speaker 1: You know what else. I love the movie. I love 788 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: as here comes the boom. Okay, Kevin James. Yes, you 789 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 1: could probably even watch it with your nine. 790 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 2: Year old Yeah, okay, it is romantic. 791 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: It is funny, and you cheer at the end. 792 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, then I will, I will okay. 793 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 3: Last question, and this is very important to me personally. Yes, 794 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,240 Speaker 3: when is iced coffee season? 795 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: Oh, I would say about ten o'clock any day of 796 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: the year. 797 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 2: That's the correct answer. It's thank you, every thank you, 798 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,720 Speaker 2: the correct answer. 799 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, you've past. 800 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 2: Wow, well, thank you so much. This was such a joy. 801 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 3: You have to thank you for And I've enjoyed our 802 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 3: friendship over these past ten years. 803 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 2: And you now have to you have to take me fishing. 804 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 1: You know what, it is true and will okay, you'll 805 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: do it. What months is your birthday? 806 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 2: February February twenty. 807 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: Third, twenty third. 808 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:28,320 Speaker 2: Yep, Wow, I'm a pisces. Yes, you are a fish. Yeah, 809 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 2: so we got to do it. 810 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,920 Speaker 3: Okay, Thanks Henry. Next week on off the Cup. It's 811 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 3: comedian Larry Wilmore. 812 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 5: So when the nightly show like I'm on Billboards and 813 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 5: taxi cabs are going by, it was way too much. 814 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 5: Let's see, I'll be honest with you, it was. I 815 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 5: was a good God, no wonder people turn into monsters 816 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 5: who nobody should have this much attention. That's what I 817 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 5: was thinking at the time. 818 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 3: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as 819 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 3: part of the Recent Choice network. 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