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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September twenty second, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: Episode number twenty six. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. Nick, It's time twenty six, which getting Hamlin
Speaker 1: my boy shout out to the bras. Arkansas is the Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I thought you're about to say, RQQ, No Arkansas. He
Speaker 1: played at Arkansas. He was a really good player. Why
Speaker 1: would you because he said r I heard the rye
Speaker 1: am I not allowed to say you're allowed? Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I don't you just don't. You shouldn't like run into
Speaker 1: a crowd of Omega's and just say RQQ. I never
Speaker 1: had a good idea. Would never do that, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what a start to the show.
Speaker 1: Ken Hamlin maybe the last Pro Bowl safety no Roy
Speaker 1: Williams would made it well, no, I think he was
Speaker 1: like two thousand and seven, right, Oh my gosh, which
Speaker 1: is not long since they've had a Pro Bowl Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl safe before. I before I made my snaffoo about
Speaker 1: Derek s Fratt, I was gonna say, like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: fitting because he was one of the last Cowboys dbs
Speaker 1: to have like a really good season in terms of interceptions.
Speaker 1: Because Trayvon Dix has two after two weeks, I think
Speaker 1: he had seven and oh seven right or maybe eight
Speaker 1: that it hasn't happened in a long time. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the last time they had a safety that was
Speaker 1: that good. Yeah, spent a minute dB period, good point,
Speaker 1: which I looked this up. I looked this up yesterday,
Speaker 1: so it's on my mind. Last decade, they had a
Speaker 1: good season. In twenty fourteen, they had eighteen interceptions as
Speaker 1: a team, fifteen and twenty thirteen decent. Every other year
Speaker 1: the last decade has been awful. But the guys who
Speaker 1: were doing all the intercepting in thirteen and fourteen were
Speaker 1: linebackers like Bruce Carter had five, Shawly have four. So
Speaker 1: to see them off to such a great start and
Speaker 1: it's DB's doing all of it, very impressive. And the
Speaker 1: very namemaking plays. Yeah, these aren't deflected balls that go
Speaker 1: up in the air. And you get it, which is great,
Speaker 1: Johnny on the spot, you love that. But this guy's
Speaker 1: going to make the play, you know. And and and
Speaker 1: that one interception against and I guess Tampa that wasn't deflected,
Speaker 1: That wasn't deflected. But I mean that one of them
Speaker 1: was a was a hail Mary. So that one counts
Speaker 1: because no count because they caught the ball. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it, I get it. But there are so many
Speaker 1: cornerbacks that have played for this team over the last deck.
Speaker 1: I said this on a show like Monday, like the
Speaker 1: Tampa the Fournette bobbled screen dropped. No way, No nobody
Speaker 1: that's played for this team of the last ten years
Speaker 1: is making that play. I don't care what you say.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to derail us a little bit because
Speaker 1: I already This actually brings up an interesting point because
Speaker 1: I heard somebody talking about this the other day and
Speaker 1: they were they were making the point, actually was on Twitter.
Speaker 1: They were making the point. You know, it would have
Speaker 1: been nice if you still had Byron Jones around here.
Speaker 1: And my thought was, even looking back in retrospect, I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys did the right thing in that instance
Speaker 1: to make him the highest paid cornerback, which they did
Speaker 1: at the time, made him the highest paid cornerback in
Speaker 1: the history of the league. And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many interceptions he's gotten since he's been there,
Speaker 1: but the number of interceptions probably isn't high enough to
Speaker 1: justify that amount of money. It would have been nice
Speaker 1: to have him if you could have gotten him for
Speaker 1: a good price. But I actually think the Cowboys still
Speaker 1: made the right decision there. What you guys think they
Speaker 1: didn't because they're paying thirteen million a year for a
Speaker 1: guy that's like a afterthought spot player, sub package guy.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith's who I'm talking about. What does that have
Speaker 1: to do with thee They could have spent the money
Speaker 1: on Byron. They didn't have to be, but you still
Speaker 1: got to pay more, and you you were gonna have
Speaker 1: a ton more though, right, I mean Byron's on an
Speaker 1: eighty million dollar deal. Jalon's on a sixty nine million
Speaker 1: dollar deal. I mean you can make that work. Now
Speaker 1: you're going back a couple of years like well, like
Speaker 1: I mean, they paid Jalen before that season and let
Speaker 1: Byron go after it was over. Yeah, I mean and
Speaker 1: Hindsights twenty twenty. I liked the Jaalen deal when it happened.
Speaker 1: I get it, but they right now I'd rather have
Speaker 1: Byron Jones and Treyvon Diggs than what they have right now. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: but I think when you factor in all the things
Speaker 1: right well, I mean you factor in DAK too. I mean,
Speaker 1: they could have done the DAK deal. I think they
Speaker 1: could have done it. They just they finally, they just
Speaker 1: waited for deadlines and then they got it done. They said,
Speaker 1: deadlines make deals. Well, which deadline are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the Dak's deadline or are you
Speaker 1: talking about other players deadlines? Because if they would have
Speaker 1: gotten that deal done, then they could have franchised Byron
Speaker 1: Jones and he could have had the year he was
Speaker 1: gonna have and then we you know, you make this
Speaker 1: decision in the offseason. So I agree deadlines make deals,
Speaker 1: but I think that you know, it's it's other players stuff.
Speaker 1: They could have maybe done that had they gotten that
Speaker 1: DAK deal out of the way, but they didn't. It
Speaker 1: is what it is. Do they do they you know,
Speaker 1: do they miss them? Sure? But you know, I mean
Speaker 1: is what it is. I just think it's kind of
Speaker 1: hypocritical when you look at how many people out there
Speaker 1: say Tank Lawrence doesn't earn his money because he doesn't
Speaker 1: have gaudie sack statistics, But then they turn around and
Speaker 1: they say, hey, give me Byron Jones and making the
Speaker 1: highest paid cornerback but he doesn't get interceptions. I just
Speaker 1: think it's it's one or the other. Like I think
Speaker 1: Byron is a good cornerback, I don't think Byron is
Speaker 1: a great corner I think those things are both wrong though,
Speaker 1: Like tanks sack numbers don't fully show how good of
Speaker 1: a player he is, and Byron's interception numbers don't either.
Speaker 1: Coverage is important great, I get that. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you don't. You're not falling in that category because the
Speaker 1: reason I say that because the person who was saying it,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm pretty sure I remember were you
Speaker 1: saying that Tank wasn't earning his money. But I just
Speaker 1: wonder right now, if they would have done that deal
Speaker 1: and they would have paid Byron he became the highest
Speaker 1: paid cornerback in the NFL history at this point, how
Speaker 1: many fans would be like he ain't earning that money. Oh,
Speaker 1: probably all of them unless well. But the other thing
Speaker 1: that you have to remember too, And to be fair
Speaker 1: to Zavian Howard, he was getting picked before Byron ever
Speaker 1: got there was he set a career high last year
Speaker 1: with ten and I have to assume at least some
Speaker 1: of that is in part to people like you don't
Speaker 1: have somewhere to throw. It's either this Byron's blanketing this guy,
Speaker 1: so I have to throw it Howard, and that could
Speaker 1: have worked here as well. Trayvon Diggs clearly has ball
Speaker 1: skills that Byron doesn't have. So you're taking You're either
Speaker 1: risking it being incomplete or getting picked off. Either way.
Speaker 1: I must take the incompletion if I'm the quarterback, but
Speaker 1: going that's either way, it's gonna be good for your
Speaker 1: past too, and it's totally fair to say it. Like
Speaker 1: I said Hindsight's twenty twenty, I liked the Jail and
Speaker 1: Smith deal when it happened, But sitting here right now,
Speaker 1: I would you could. We would be sitting here talking
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys having one of the two or three
Speaker 1: best corner tandems in the league if they had Byron
Speaker 1: and Diggs right now, I don't think they would have
Speaker 1: drafted Diggs if they did, because, um, they had Gallimore
Speaker 1: rated as a higher player on the board, and you know,
Speaker 1: but that they might need it, you know, I had
Speaker 1: more of a need for for Diggs. We've seen that
Speaker 1: now here they have even though they have higher guys
Speaker 1: on the board. You know what they what they feel
Speaker 1: about the cornerback position, and so I'm not sure they
Speaker 1: would have taken Diggs. That's a good point. You know,
Speaker 1: you never know, you don't. I do know that. Well.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say next year, look forward to a cornerback.
Speaker 1: But I mean they drafted, they got the second and
Speaker 1: third round, I know, and they gotta play him though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we do. Actually, that's one thing I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you guys about. We'll get into that a
Speaker 1: little bit later in the show of what's happening with
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph. Where is he right now in his and
Speaker 1: I know he's on IR but where is he in
Speaker 1: his timeline on coming back and what he expect to
Speaker 1: happen when that happens. Let's talk though, now about some
Speaker 1: jeffs on you on the okay, some injuries and and
Speaker 1: COVID updates. Let's start with the COVID update. Rain to Gregory,
Speaker 1: he missed last week's game. He was on the COVID list.
Speaker 1: What's the expectation for him? Is he coming off that list?
Speaker 1: Is he already off that list? And is he expected
Speaker 1: to play this week? The expectation, according to Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: is that well, and Mike McCarthy for that matter, is
Speaker 1: that he'll be here, Oh today, Today's Wednesday. I'm way
Speaker 1: off so I have. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's here right now, but they said he should be
Speaker 1: here today, and the expectation he will play Monday night, okay,
Speaker 1: which great, which they definitely need because the next guys
Speaker 1: you're talking about, well, let's let's go down this list. Here.
Speaker 1: We got a few guys that are injured. You got
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, they got hurt during the game. You got
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins, you got Donovan Wilson who missed last week's game.
Speaker 1: You got Dorrin's Armstrong. Talk to me about where those
Speaker 1: guys are and what the expectations are for them this week.
Speaker 1: I think Cooper has the best chance to play of
Speaker 1: the three those four. Um Wilson was another one. I
Speaker 1: don Wilson. Yeah, I think I think Donovan Wilson. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't Actually, I don't know about Donovan Wilson. Grons
Speaker 1: make me uneasy. Yeah, it's something I mean, well, well,
Speaker 1: not touching that, but just please don't think about what
Speaker 1: goes Jesus Christ, think about what goes into running, Like
Speaker 1: those muscles are I'm done with you. I'm done with that.
Speaker 1: That's like eating one on one right out there. Uh.
Speaker 1: You need those muscles to move your legs. It's important.
Speaker 1: And and covering ground is Yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about the same one. Won Um Amari, I'm pretty sure, Amari.
Speaker 1: If you remember, he kind of scared everybody in the
Speaker 1: Tampa game after his second touchdown, he fell on the
Speaker 1: ball and hurt his ribs. And I think he took
Speaker 1: a shot right to a spot that was already sore
Speaker 1: when that happened. Um, so I think so maybe he
Speaker 1: went into week two with bruise ribs. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know he was already out. I mean he would if
Speaker 1: you remember, Like, he scared the crap out of everybody
Speaker 1: because he was down for a minute. So I think
Speaker 1: that was already something he was dealing with and I'm
Speaker 1: saying that because Bruise Ribbs going out and playing the game,
Speaker 1: going into the game with bruised Ribs, that's pretty I
Speaker 1: mean you people want to talk about him like that
Speaker 1: is a tough person that can that can go and
Speaker 1: play a football game with Bruce Ribbs. One of the
Speaker 1: biggest misconceptions I wish I could educate people on one
Speaker 1: is that not every player in the league like views
Speaker 1: football as passionately as fans do. Like for some guys,
Speaker 1: it's just a job. The other one is that just
Speaker 1: because you're not on the injury report doesn't mean you're
Speaker 1: not dealing with a lot of stuff. Like you know,
Speaker 1: people just like, oh, well, he's healthy, because because he's
Speaker 1: not enlisted as limited or anything. No, nobody's healthy even
Speaker 1: and it's only week It's only week three, and I
Speaker 1: promise you everybody on this team is already dealing with something.
Speaker 1: Both those things apply to Maria Cooper, It's true. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I as soon as I said that, I kind of
Speaker 1: like I regretted the timing because I really I don't
Speaker 1: question a Mari's passionate no, no, But what you're saying
Speaker 1: that that fans shouldn't either or media members shouldn't either.
Speaker 1: It's just because the guy walks off the field and
Speaker 1: he's quiet. Now that doesn't mean that he doesn't care
Speaker 1: like he's just he's got a different demeanor than other people. Well,
Speaker 1: and not only that, but somebody who might piss and
Speaker 1: yell and scream and just be the most passionate person
Speaker 1: in the world might not watch as much tape as
Speaker 1: a Mary Cooper does, just like, yeah, whatever, it's Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. So, just in general,
Speaker 1: these are all people with different attitudes about their jobs
Speaker 1: the same way that you are, and that's I think
Speaker 1: that gets lost a lot. I think the most concerning
Speaker 1: one in there is Doreen's Armstrong. I've sounds like he's
Speaker 1: got a high ankle sprain. Those those typically Now, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be ruled out or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I think that one's going to be
Speaker 1: the toughest one to come back. And then let's don't
Speaker 1: let's don't overlook Carlos Watkins because the dropping like flies
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. I mean, you don't have you already
Speaker 1: don't have Um Gallimore and Christin Hill. You don't have
Speaker 1: those two guys. So you know, I mean who you
Speaker 1: have Osa, you have Bohannah Urban Urban, I mean Hamilton
Speaker 1: from the practice squad. Put Mica at three tech. Let's go, Hey,
Speaker 1: he might be playing against him, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't. I don't know what's what's
Speaker 1: going on there, like like Basham. You know you signed
Speaker 1: Basham for for reasons like this, and then you know,
Speaker 1: but and I think that they're okay playing him. There's
Speaker 1: like they're okay playing you know, Bradley and I if
Speaker 1: they have to. But I mean, they're gonna try to
Speaker 1: be as dynamic as possible. So, um, I would imagine
Speaker 1: they're not going to rule out those guys. They're definitely
Speaker 1: not going to rule out door it's Armstrong because until
Speaker 1: they have to, because they don't want people thinking that
Speaker 1: Michael is going to rush the passer. Yeah, the only
Speaker 1: probably will. Yeah, I don't know. I'm hopeful that they
Speaker 1: can get these defensive get all these defensive linemen back,
Speaker 1: because I do think what we saw with with Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: if you've got the right grouping of guys on the
Speaker 1: rest of that defensive line, you can do some really
Speaker 1: interesting things. I heard Michael Irvin this morning. He was
Speaker 1: on the fan and he was talking about he was
Speaker 1: talking about the Giants back end. I guess it was
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, seven somewhere in there when they
Speaker 1: had all those defensive linemen and what they do is
Speaker 1: on passing downs, they just put them all out there
Speaker 1: and they literally had basically defensive ends playing all four
Speaker 1: defensive line positions on those passing downs, and they were
Speaker 1: bringing it and it was and that was how they
Speaker 1: won that Super Bowl. In my opinion, that was all
Speaker 1: about their v defensive front putting pressure on every team
Speaker 1: they played, and that's how it got him to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And you're seeing you have some ability maybe
Speaker 1: to do that with Micah Yeah, and line him up
Speaker 1: and now have those other guys out there too, they
Speaker 1: can get all the guys. I don't want Michael playing
Speaker 1: defensive end. I want him rushing at times when no
Speaker 1: one knows he's going to do it, because I think
Speaker 1: he can. He can rush from all different areas and
Speaker 1: be creative with that. But he needs to play more
Speaker 1: snaps in my opinion, and so getting him a defensive end,
Speaker 1: he's not going to play as many snaps. He's gonna
Speaker 1: if you play him a linebacker, he'll probably be in
Speaker 1: the fifty sixty range, and ten or twelve of those
Speaker 1: could be spot rushes at the at the ten or
Speaker 1: twelve moments you really need to and and he's it's
Speaker 1: one of those guys like, well they know he's Russian.
Speaker 1: Good luck. Okay, they knew, they knew Lawrence Taylor was Russian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, good luck. But but they don't know exactly where.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's where you can be really dynamic.
Speaker 1: They didn't had that luxury last week, though. They had
Speaker 1: to just run him out there. Music to my ears. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope you're right. Yeah. I mean these coordinators, this
Speaker 1: is the probably the most creative group of coordinators that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have had together in a long time. Good
Speaker 1: and bad? What good and bad? What do you mean
Speaker 1: talking about Fossil? Yeah, well he's creative. But sometimes you're
Speaker 1: like to stop, you're not creative. I mean they he's
Speaker 1: a special chief's coach. I don't always throw that in
Speaker 1: the corner you're talking about. I'm talking about offense, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is creative, he's creat Fossil is creative. We've seen
Speaker 1: creative plays. And I said this earlier on the radio,
Speaker 1: and I'll say it again here. Sometimes you're gonna see
Speaker 1: things like this that are gonna lead to a domino
Speaker 1: effect later on. And if ceedee Lamb gets a fifty
Speaker 1: two yard punt return in next week's game because they
Speaker 1: kind of backed off thinking, well, cowboys are gonna chow
Speaker 1: some pressure here, and so they did like a safe mode,
Speaker 1: which means no one's down there to recover the punt
Speaker 1: and he goes. You know, all that is set up
Speaker 1: by showing aggressiveness early on. That's why you run fake
Speaker 1: punts early in the season to see you know, okay,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna run another one in the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. And guess what, Nobody ever returned to punt
Speaker 1: on this because everyone is so afraid of a fake punt.
Speaker 1: So there's reasons for it. But that was a bad call.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not justice. I'm just saying it was
Speaker 1: a bad timing. But there's reasons why they throw stuff
Speaker 1: out there. They want to get it out there on
Speaker 1: tape so they could maybe, you know, play off of
Speaker 1: it later. All right, we're gonna take our first break
Speaker 1: when we come back We're gonna be joined by Bucky
Speaker 1: Brooks of NFL Network. He's going to break down the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia offense versus the Dallas defense. Will that we come back.
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Speaker 1: It is the second segment of The Break, Live from
Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star and we're here.
Speaker 1: It's time to bring in our buddy, Bucky Brooks NFL Network.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit of about the Philadelphia offense. What's up, Bucky?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Good? Good, Let's start where we typically start.
Speaker 1: Tell me what is the thing that that that if
Speaker 1: you're a defense playing Philadelphia, you want to force them
Speaker 1: to do because that's the area where they're they're most uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: in the area they're they're released efficient. You want to
Speaker 1: make the Philadelphia Eagles forced Jail and her to throw
Speaker 1: from the pocket. They're running collegiate style offense that is
Speaker 1: very similar to the one that he ran at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: A lot of quick screens, a lot of bubble screens,
Speaker 1: a lot of RPOs and quarterback design runs. You want
Speaker 1: to take Jayla hursts out of his comfort zone and
Speaker 1: make him play traditional quarterback. If you can make him
Speaker 1: play traditional quarterback, then the game chips into your favor
Speaker 1: and you can begin to dictate the terms. But if
Speaker 1: you allow Jayala Hurts to play the way that he's
Speaker 1: very comfortable, he's still very dangerous as a playmaker. What's
Speaker 1: the best way to do that. I think one you
Speaker 1: got to make a concerted effort that you treat him
Speaker 1: almost like a running back in the pocket. You're forced
Speaker 1: to play eleven on eleven football, so you have to
Speaker 1: assign someone to him at all times. I know that
Speaker 1: that that sounds kind of like defending option football, but
Speaker 1: when the quarterback runs, it makes him an eleven on
Speaker 1: eleven game, And so you have to treat him as
Speaker 1: a runner. And then when you treat him as a runner,
Speaker 1: you also have to pressure him in a way where
Speaker 1: he has to stay in the pocket, meaning bring the
Speaker 1: pressure off the edges, particularly from the defensive left or
Speaker 1: the offensive right. If you go and look at his
Speaker 1: heat map where he likes to throw, most of his
Speaker 1: passes are thrown to the right side of the field
Speaker 1: on offense, so the defensive left. So what you want
Speaker 1: to do is bring pressure from that way and if
Speaker 1: he escapes, make him roll to the left so it's
Speaker 1: away from his strong side. You have to make a
Speaker 1: concerted effort to make him uncomfortable. It's almost like playing basketball.
Speaker 1: You gotta shay and sit heavy on his right hand
Speaker 1: to make him go left. We ask you all the
Speaker 1: time about where's Waldo? Who's the player that you kind
Speaker 1: of have to focus on, you know, and try to exploit.
Speaker 1: But what's the opposite of that, like's the what's the
Speaker 1: term for? Like who's the best player? And to answer
Speaker 1: that for the Eagles, like on offense, who is their
Speaker 1: best player? Who's their best weapon? Their best weapon is
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But out of that, I would think it
Speaker 1: would have to be one. It would have to be
Speaker 1: one to wide receivers. I think you have to begin
Speaker 1: to look at Devanta Smith just as the guy that
Speaker 1: he may have a comfort level with. He did hit
Speaker 1: Quez Watkins with a few big balls I think a
Speaker 1: ninety yard or last week. But you gotta take away
Speaker 1: those playmakers. But I'm gonna be honest with you, is
Speaker 1: really a team that does playmaking by committee? I don't
Speaker 1: know if they have an a level talent at the
Speaker 1: skill positions, and so you have to concentrate really on
Speaker 1: a If we kill the head of the snake, the
Speaker 1: body will die. So if you take care of hurts,
Speaker 1: the rest of the stuff will kind of take care
Speaker 1: of itself. I definitely I want to get back to
Speaker 1: Devanta Smith at some point. But I'm curious, Bucky, and
Speaker 1: I've followed this guy's story just because I try to
Speaker 1: pay attention to the division. I know he started last year,
Speaker 1: but I do not know a lot about his game.
Speaker 1: So imagine my surprise when the Eagles give Jordan Malata
Speaker 1: this huge extension before the season starts. How good is
Speaker 1: this dude? And I mean, like, is this a deal
Speaker 1: that's more about projection or is he already like a
Speaker 1: dominant left tackle. It's a little bit of both, but
Speaker 1: he is really good. He's a guy who's a rugby
Speaker 1: player who has outstanding athleticism at the position, quickly picked
Speaker 1: up the position so much so that they moved Dillard,
Speaker 1: I mean out of the lineup in their conversations about
Speaker 1: maybe he's on the trade line. So he obviously has
Speaker 1: to be very very solid in what he's been doing
Speaker 1: and how he's playing and how they see him playing
Speaker 1: down the line that they didn't just slide in their
Speaker 1: first round pick. I will say he is kind of
Speaker 1: the new school athlete that is playing on the edges.
Speaker 1: He is a dancing bear who's nimble enough to kind
Speaker 1: of shadow box with some of those speed rushers, but
Speaker 1: also can anchor against the power players. He's a really
Speaker 1: good player in his best days are ahead. I don't
Speaker 1: love that, all right, So these two stats caught my attention.
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on what wins this
Speaker 1: weekend or Monday night. Dallas right now leads the league
Speaker 1: with six takeaways. Philly, on the other hand, leads the
Speaker 1: league with z year old turnovers through two games, which
Speaker 1: one wins out on Monday Night. It's all about creating pressure.
Speaker 1: I would say that the Cowboys have shown a propensity
Speaker 1: to be able to turn the ball over. They did
Speaker 1: it with Tom Brady, they did it with Justin Herber
Speaker 1: and those guys. I think the Cowboys' ability to kind
Speaker 1: of get after it will continue to force turnovers. If
Speaker 1: you can quicken the clock for the quarterback, that's when
Speaker 1: the bad things happen. And also, the Cowboys have made
Speaker 1: a concerted effort to generate turnovers. When you watched in practice,
Speaker 1: everything was about taking the ball away. Those practice efforts
Speaker 1: that have translated into success in games, and now it's
Speaker 1: a feeding frenzy because once the players believe that all
Speaker 1: the things they've done in practice shows up and producers results.
Speaker 1: Now they really ratted it up in game days. So
Speaker 1: they're gonna go after the ball. All right, Bucky fill
Speaker 1: in the blank. Dan Quinn comes over to you and says,
Speaker 1: all right, Bucky, you're gonna run this defense this week.
Speaker 1: You're gonna put Micah Parsons where off off the edge.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Michael Parsons do what he does really well,
Speaker 1: because it is about putting the best of eleven on
Speaker 1: the field. Look, I know there's a guy that we
Speaker 1: haven't I mean, we criticize a ton, but Jala Smith
Speaker 1: is actually playing pretty well. So if I can keep
Speaker 1: Jaal Smith on the field and Michael Parsons and LV,
Speaker 1: I want to keep all those guys on the field,
Speaker 1: and if I can do it in a very creative way,
Speaker 1: whether that's a three three five lineup or doing different
Speaker 1: things two four fives, I'm going to do that because
Speaker 1: the one thing that we saw Michael Parsons is really
Speaker 1: explosive and he is a handful. If you don't have
Speaker 1: a right tackle that can deal with this combination of speed,
Speaker 1: strength and power. If you can find an explosive athlete
Speaker 1: that can disrupt the passing game, you gotta put him
Speaker 1: on the field and let him do what he does
Speaker 1: really well. Michael Parsons, to me, was always a guy
Speaker 1: that was an outstanding blisser. But now that he can
Speaker 1: do it from an upright position off the edge, I
Speaker 1: gotta let him do it because he is a dominant player.
Speaker 1: He's a difference makeup the line of scrimmins. Would you
Speaker 1: do you think they would have done it if Balaga
Speaker 1: was out there? Like, do you want to see him
Speaker 1: against a veteran or a talent more talented tackle? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think he would have will Brian Belogging too? Like?
Speaker 1: I think that's a I think it's an issue. The
Speaker 1: issue that you have with dealing with Michael Parsons. You're
Speaker 1: talking about sixty one, So when sixty three two hundred
Speaker 1: forty six pounds, we can talk about the four three
Speaker 1: eight forty, but really it's the ten times his get
Speaker 1: off is exceptional, and when someone can get off the
Speaker 1: ball like that, it puts immediate pressure on the Deefer tackle.
Speaker 1: Then he's not a finished product because if he develops
Speaker 1: an inside maneuver or a counter maneuver, it is going
Speaker 1: to be a problem. And so now that he is
Speaker 1: kind of I guess, waking up a lot of eyes
Speaker 1: around the league, He's going to get some attention that
Speaker 1: should allow other guys to get open, either in one
Speaker 1: on one matchups or if you bring an additional rusher.
Speaker 1: So I think you have to leave him there for
Speaker 1: the time being until the markets Lawrence comes back, just
Speaker 1: because he has been so effective and so dominant. So
Speaker 1: I mentioned DeVante Smith, I am curious. I haven't had
Speaker 1: a ton of time to watch the Eagles in more
Speaker 1: than just passing, but he looked like the Heisman winner
Speaker 1: week one and San Francisco took him out of the
Speaker 1: game in week two almost completely. So was it something
Speaker 1: they were doing he just have I mean, could he
Speaker 1: not get separation? Were they pressing him? Did they just
Speaker 1: not have time to throw? What was the issue there?
Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of fact is. I think
Speaker 1: it's a combination of like where the reeds were and
Speaker 1: sometimes coverage wins They didn't do anything out of the
Speaker 1: ordinary to take him out of the game. He's not
Speaker 1: a guy who commands a double team or double coverage
Speaker 1: at this point. I think they just did a good
Speaker 1: job of being mindful of where he was. And you know,
Speaker 1: the way the Eagles played, they just couldn't get into
Speaker 1: a rhythm to quarterback, could not get into a rhythm,
Speaker 1: and so it just prevented Debout Smith from getting the ball.
Speaker 1: But he's a very talented player. The thing is, I
Speaker 1: would say the good thing is Digs played against him
Speaker 1: for years at Alabama, so he kind of knows who
Speaker 1: he is. So I don't think there's any mystery to
Speaker 1: what DeVonta Smith is going to do. And I think
Speaker 1: when you have that kind of intel, you share it,
Speaker 1: because it's not just playing against him in games, it's
Speaker 1: seeing them every day in practice and knowing what gives
Speaker 1: him problems. Add the line of scrimmage and catch or
Speaker 1: trail techniques, all of those things, and so I would
Speaker 1: think that the book would be out there on Devonsta Smith.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect the Cowboys to necessarily have a ton
Speaker 1: of problems dealing with him and how they want to
Speaker 1: match up with him. Statistically, Cowboys defense has done pretty
Speaker 1: well stopping the run in their first two games. I
Speaker 1: personally believe a lot of that was about the fact
Speaker 1: that they played two teams that weren't really committed to
Speaker 1: running the ball, like Philadelphia runs the ball. If have
Speaker 1: you seen anything from Dallas in the first two weeks
Speaker 1: set gives you confidence or makes you question their ability
Speaker 1: to stop the run. Now going up against a team
Speaker 1: that's all predicated on running the ball, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the stats are misleading for the Eagles because Jenna Hurst
Speaker 1: prizes a lot of that. Some of them down scramble,
Speaker 1: some of those on read option plays. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: that old school a We're gonna line up in three
Speaker 1: yards in the cloud of dust you all night. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been really solid stopping the run, and part
Speaker 1: of the reason they've been able to do it is
Speaker 1: because they've been able to win on early downs that
Speaker 1: they can dictate the terms, put the team the opponent
Speaker 1: and longer the situations and make them pass to the
Speaker 1: teeth of the defense. The other part of it is
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense is their best defense, and so in
Speaker 1: the last game, I want to say the charges only
Speaker 1: had sixty two offensive plays. Part of that is because
Speaker 1: of the slow down pace that the Cowboys offense operated.
Speaker 1: And so if they're working in concert where the offense
Speaker 1: is kind of slowing the game down and the defense
Speaker 1: doesn't have to play a ton of snaps, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to stop the run because they're fresher. The
Speaker 1: problem comes when you can't get off the field or
Speaker 1: the offense isn't able to dictate the terms. Then it
Speaker 1: becomes a straight up game for the defense. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if the Cowboys are built to play a
Speaker 1: straight up game on def and steal. All Right, we'll
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us, Buck, We'll be back tomorrow. We'll
Speaker 1: have you talk a little bit about the Philadelphia defense
Speaker 1: versus the Cowboys offense. We're gonna take our final break
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Speaker 1: more about this Dallas defense. I got some questions for
Speaker 1: these guys. We'll do that me come back. This is
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Speaker 1: I want to zoom in a little bit in this
Speaker 1: final segment on the Dallas defense. Let's start first with
Speaker 1: Calvin Joseph. We mentioned him a little earlier in the show.
Speaker 1: He's currently on ir My question first is where is
Speaker 1: he in his timeline on being able to come back
Speaker 1: at this point, I think he's eligible to come back.
Speaker 1: He can't be yet next week after this game. I
Speaker 1: paused at the wrong time and open the door for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say, after this game, okay, But it also was
Speaker 1: thinking in my head that's why I stopped. I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I had a conversation on the field last before the game,
Speaker 1: asked some questions about that rule because it's kind of
Speaker 1: up in the air, and I guess to clarify, you
Speaker 1: can start the twenty one day window whenever you want
Speaker 1: to start it, whenever they can decide at any point,
Speaker 1: like let's say the law is what six to eight weeks,
Speaker 1: they can decide when to start that twenty one day window.
Speaker 1: He can start coming back to practice, not off the
Speaker 1: roster yet until they decide they want to, but he's
Speaker 1: got twenty one days to do it. So they can
Speaker 1: start the twenty one day window with Kelvin Joseph after
Speaker 1: this game. Now he may only need one day to
Speaker 1: come off the roster. He made it need a week.
Speaker 1: He could come back after this after this game three,
Speaker 1: they also have twenty one weeks two days to be
Speaker 1: able to decide. Okay, now we're ready to bring it back,
Speaker 1: So don't have to come back for six weeks. If
Speaker 1: they didn't know, he didn't have to be he can't
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, but he has to be off for
Speaker 1: three and it's it'll be three and then you know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys in that that boat too. No,
Speaker 1: there's there's four or five guys that they could theoretically
Speaker 1: get back after this game. Um, Josh Ball, Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: I know Sean mckun theoretically, yes, but I just I
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be ready. Yeah, you know, I saw
Speaker 1: Gallimore though, you know, working out and running and doing
Speaker 1: some things, and you know it doesn't have any brace
Speaker 1: on the elbow or anything like that. Right now, this is
Speaker 1: is kind of conditioning with him the guy to get
Speaker 1: that strength. I mean that's what's defense. I mean, you
Speaker 1: got to have it. You've got to have that push yet.
Speaker 1: But Ball and mcun specifically, I mean those were sprained
Speaker 1: ankles that happened in mid August, So yeah, those feel
Speaker 1: like guys that could be back sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: That and Kelvin is a groin right yeah, and again
Speaker 1: not to go down that road, but that is a
Speaker 1: position where that I mean there's a lot of running
Speaker 1: in a lot of long strides, So I wonder what
Speaker 1: his so readiness level is going to be when he's
Speaker 1: back health wise. I think the decision the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna have to make is what do we want to
Speaker 1: do with him? And I mean when do we want
Speaker 1: to start putting him in the lineup? And I think
Speaker 1: they've learned from Treyvon Diggs. I mean, he had to
Speaker 1: put him out there, and they've benefited from it now
Speaker 1: and they're benefited. They've benefited from having Terrence Steele go
Speaker 1: out there and play. So at some point they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to decide, hey, let's let's get this guy some
Speaker 1: some work. Anthony Brown's not letting the you know, setting
Speaker 1: the world on fire over there. He's not I mean
Speaker 1: he's it's it's not been great, but I don't think
Speaker 1: it's as bad as people think. You know, he's given
Speaker 1: up some plays, he's been Elvin Joseph's gonna give up
Speaker 1: plays too. We probably thought he should have been like
Speaker 1: he is an average cornerback. Like he's not great, he's
Speaker 1: not horrible. I just think he's averaging. I think people
Speaker 1: expecting every time he makes something, something doesn't go well
Speaker 1: for him. People are like, oh, but I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: who he is. I mean, there's always every team has
Speaker 1: a weak link. The Buccaneers fan base hated somebody on
Speaker 1: that team too, So I get it, and I'll say that,
Speaker 1: like we defend Anthony brown a because we know what
Speaker 1: they want to do. I mean, Kelvin Joseph might take
Speaker 1: his job eventually, but he's not ready right now. He's
Speaker 1: not even on the roster and he hasn't practiced in
Speaker 1: a month. Like what are we doing here? So that's
Speaker 1: number one. Number two is you know how hard that
Speaker 1: position is. Having said that, I had a way easier
Speaker 1: time making peace with his performance against Tampa than I mean,
Speaker 1: the mistackle against Mike Williams is gross. That's not even
Speaker 1: coverage come up and make the tackle. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that sucked, But I still think it you're making do
Speaker 1: with the best of a subpar situation. And I think
Speaker 1: we've said this one hundred times, but the hope is
Speaker 1: that Kelvin Joseph can start getting reps and mix it
Speaker 1: in the lineup and play well enough to maybe not
Speaker 1: completely take his job, but at least have a role.
Speaker 1: But he's just not ready, right. Do you think they'll
Speaker 1: mix him in because that corner is a spot where, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could kind of mix and rotate guys a little bit.
Speaker 1: You think that when he's healthy and comfortable. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: they need him to get reps. Anthony Brown's not playing
Speaker 1: that great, and I mean you draft guys in the
Speaker 1: top fifty for a reason. Yeah, yeah, I get him
Speaker 1: out there. And now the question that I know other
Speaker 1: people have asked is why not you know, Murray's Kennedy
Speaker 1: a guy that they heard about a training camp, they
Speaker 1: heard him making some plays. You know, I think he
Speaker 1: kind of tailed off a little bit. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: just the you know, the the shine on the star
Speaker 1: just kind of faded a little bit. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that he's played poorly, but he's more of a special
Speaker 1: teams guy. That's what they brought him into be. He
Speaker 1: doesn't agree with that. I mean, he thinks he's a player,
Speaker 1: and he definitely has made some plays on defense. At
Speaker 1: this point, I can't sit here and argue not to
Speaker 1: put a guy like that in and he and they
Speaker 1: played him a little bit outside of camp, but he
Speaker 1: was predominantly in the slot. That's I mean, he got
Speaker 1: all that playing time because Jordan was hurt, right, So
Speaker 1: kind of a projection if they wanted to try it, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think it's the worst idea in
Speaker 1: the world, But I'm also just not just gonna bang
Speaker 1: the table, like why isn't this guy playing? Like I'm
Speaker 1: looking at his Pro Football reference right now, he started
Speaker 1: four career games, all right, Just just think about it
Speaker 1: from your level of like, like you know, just comfort
Speaker 1: level of going. All right, the playing of the Eagles
Speaker 1: who they got out there, like Jalen Rager, Javonte Smith
Speaker 1: and Greg Ward. Greg Ward. Okay, so let's say that
Speaker 1: Trayvon's got one of them over here, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you got Jalen Ragor on the other side against Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: against Nashan Right, you know, put him in. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask, what what's the issue with Nashan Right? Like
Speaker 1: what's a third round pick? Like? Is he not a
Speaker 1: guy that that should be getting a little bit of
Speaker 1: opportunity here or is he just not? That's what I
Speaker 1: was asking both of y'all. Heart how comfortable are you
Speaker 1: with that? Who's Anthony Brown? I'm always at that level
Speaker 1: of like five or six or it's just like you know,
Speaker 1: it isn't about Nahan, right. I personally think if you're
Speaker 1: going to work in, if you're gonna give an opportunity
Speaker 1: need to work in Joseph. I don't see why you
Speaker 1: wouldn't give an opportunity to work in right. I mean again,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's there yet, But you if the
Speaker 1: if the overall idea here is based on what you
Speaker 1: saw last year from Diggs, Sometimes throwing rookies in there
Speaker 1: is a good thing. And by the way, you don't
Speaker 1: have to throw him in there full time like you
Speaker 1: did with Diggs. You can kind of work him in
Speaker 1: and get him some opportunities. I think that's not a
Speaker 1: bad idea to do the same thing with Right. I
Speaker 1: feel like I on one hand, I feel like right
Speaker 1: could be like an eight or a less than zero.
Speaker 1: And seriously, no, like you see all this encouraging stuff
Speaker 1: at training camp. He's long. It's hard to get a
Speaker 1: completion on him because he can get these big arms
Speaker 1: up in the air. But then at the same time,
Speaker 1: I mean, think about DeVante Smith's game, like what he does,
Speaker 1: and then you got this six four long stride er dude.
Speaker 1: The big like, the big problem with those guys is
Speaker 1: changing directions. Guy like that could just put him in
Speaker 1: a blender, just absolutely leave him in the dust because
Speaker 1: he's not trying to beat him long. He can go this,
Speaker 1: that and the other way and put six yards of separation.
Speaker 1: But if you're worried about that, then was it a
Speaker 1: bad pick? Because that means he's never gonna be able
Speaker 1: to do that. And by the way, there are tons
Speaker 1: of NFL receivers that all like that. I think that's
Speaker 1: always going to be a problem for him. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he can't overcome it, but I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's a weird thing too, because for
Speaker 1: better or for worse, I personally am always going to
Speaker 1: associate where he was drafted with what everybody but the
Speaker 1: Cowboys thought about it, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: right now I leaned toward thinking they were more right
Speaker 1: than everybody else was because he looked the part like
Speaker 1: he did. He looked like he belonged. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, just like, are you ready to get out
Speaker 1: there with no until you can put him out there? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And that's where I'm like, just put him out there.
Speaker 1: Let's just see. I think it's to be. And just
Speaker 1: I put both those guys in the same category, both
Speaker 1: right and uh and Kelvin Joseph. I think both of
Speaker 1: them are guys and I saw little bit I saw
Speaker 1: flashes in camp, which makes me eager to see what
Speaker 1: can they be if they get more opportunity. I think
Speaker 1: I've brought this up before and I think about it
Speaker 1: all the time when this comes up, and it's it's
Speaker 1: just the perfect encapsulation. And it's not to say these
Speaker 1: guys can't get better. But leading into the Arizona preseason game,
Speaker 1: everybody was like, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph, what why is this
Speaker 1: bum Anthony Brown still out here? And the Cardinals just
Speaker 1: picked on Joseph all the way down the field of
Speaker 1: the very first possession of the game, and I mean,
Speaker 1: that's going to happen regardless that happened to Digs. I
Speaker 1: get it. But it's easy to say anything's better than this.
Speaker 1: It's really easy to say that it doesn't. It's harder
Speaker 1: for that to be true. So they got to get
Speaker 1: out there at some point. But I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to say this sound like a typical Cowboys coach,
Speaker 1: like give me what I know, Like I feel better
Speaker 1: with what I What I know is that Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: is a little bit better than mediocre. He's capable of
Speaker 1: good games and say what you will about him. He
Speaker 1: knows how to be around the ball, like he's got
Speaker 1: decent Now the problem is, well, next year, year after that,
Speaker 1: like you want to develop these guys. So that's always
Speaker 1: the balance that that any coaching staff and scouting department
Speaker 1: is trying to figure out, right, I get it. It's
Speaker 1: on how you know, how solid the coaching staff feels
Speaker 1: like they're going to be here? You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can sit here all day long and say, let's
Speaker 1: develop these guys for the future. But if you don't
Speaker 1: win right now, how what's your future look like? The
Speaker 1: other thing too is And I mean I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not writing off Nashan, right, but Kelvin Joseph is the
Speaker 1: guy like he was the one that they felt the
Speaker 1: best about. He was their backup plan when they didn't
Speaker 1: get certain or horn whatever. And he's he hasn't practiced,
Speaker 1: he's he's not physically ready. And when that changes, now
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, all right, let's mix this guy in. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can platoon the right cornerback or left? What side
Speaker 1: is Brown usually left? Left corner? Yeah, left cornerback. Let's
Speaker 1: platoon that. Let's do this, that and the other. But
Speaker 1: right now, it's just an ideal circumstance, and I do
Speaker 1: I feel I feel more comfortable with the middle of
Speaker 1: the pack where's Waldoe cornerback than what you might get
Speaker 1: out of right, I feel comfortab Gotta also throw this
Speaker 1: part into is that if if Diggs, if you like
Speaker 1: Diggs traveling with players, that means Anthony Brown's gonna travel.
Speaker 1: And do you feel like Kelvin Joseph is ready for
Speaker 1: that spart too? I mean, because he's traveling, so you know,
Speaker 1: it's one thing to just kind of say this is
Speaker 1: my spot over here, and this is whoever's lines up
Speaker 1: over here. I mean, I think Anthony Brown is probably
Speaker 1: better suited for that to kind of travel around and
Speaker 1: change on the fly, because that's what they're doing with Diggs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is over the next few games. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I think Bucky touched on it there. I don't
Speaker 1: know that you have a particular guy that you look
Speaker 1: at that is, oh, this is the guy we gotta
Speaker 1: put Digs on. So maybe they do a lot less
Speaker 1: traveling over these next three four games, which would create
Speaker 1: the opportunity maybe, like you said, well, you don't have
Speaker 1: to put him in there and make him move around.
Speaker 1: You just kind of put him in there, say you
Speaker 1: to stay right here, you play right here. Let's see
Speaker 1: how they go right famous last words, But this is
Speaker 1: a run of offenses that probably don't scare you as
Speaker 1: much as Tampa or LA, So maybe maybe that gives
Speaker 1: you an opportunity to experiment. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: this is the NFL. I mean, this isn't like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're playing playing West Texas A and M this week.
Speaker 1: Let's get the young guys some time. No, anybody on
Speaker 1: any of these teams can embarrass you if you don't
Speaker 1: put your best effort against them. So that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's gonna be a rap for us today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be back tomorrow. We'll talk about Cowboys offense
Speaker 1: versus the Philadelphia defense while Bucky on we'll talk more
Speaker 1: about that. We'll get you guys ready for this game.
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