1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: You are listening to waiting on reparations of production of 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. What's happened? What's happening? Yeah, it's dope. 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Knife in the house. That was a nice little that 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: was a little departure from what we usually do. It's like, yeah, 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, we're happy and we're seeing it in we're colored. 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: Give me yeah, yeah, what's going on the knife? You 7 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: know what it is? You know what it is? Um, 8 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Um? Like like I been swept 9 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: through I don't know, like the tumble tumbleweed, Like they're 10 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: rolling rolling across the country inside of a tumbleweed. Somewhat happen. 11 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: You're still on the road, right, I'm on the road. Yep. 12 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: I made it to New Orleans, got my last show 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: of the tour tonight, and then um, get back to 14 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: my adorable baby. I'm never doing this again. I'm so 15 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: much just dumb. It sounds like you're It sounds like 16 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: you're in a more comfortable place to record to today 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: because last time, last time, it sounded like you were 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: in a prison cap You're trying to be quiet about 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: the guards and ship like, yeah, that was my last 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: transmission before I was never again. We have to fight 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: for reparations. Oh no, they're coming in. Yeah, what's good 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: with you? I'm good. I have some North Carolina shows 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: over the weekend. Um, I had a St. Patty's Day 24 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: show here in Savannah. It was cool. It's cool. It's 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: a nice little weekend of performing and stuff like that. 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: I'm starting to gear back up into it because I 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: just made the announcement yesterday that I'm actually doing like 28 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: a you know, pretty much like a full like five 29 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: six days or something like that in April. So I 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: thought that's what it is. Yeah, I was saying that, 31 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm shoot you out here, out here, Yeah, 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: that's coming up soon. So I gotta start getting mentally 33 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: prepared for that grind. And she's like that, you know, 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: when you when you just go do these little weekend runs, 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: it's not even really like a thing like that, you know. 36 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: So I don't even like a like, I don't even 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: know if I can do that anymore. I mean, granted, 38 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: I've been gone for like nine days now, so this 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: is kind of like like, but I mean you can 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: work out like some sort of thing where you can 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: do that like every few months, you know what I'm saying. 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: That's pretty much what everybody else does anyway. So yeah, 43 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: but I was like, but so we got showed together 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: in Savanna in April or but I'm trying to and 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: like I got a little or something sometimes soon I 46 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm misquoted, but like I was looking 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: at my but see this is what I always do, 48 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I can do little weekends herever there, 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: And then I booked like two whole months of weekends 50 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: on accident my life. We're doing that Savannah show, right, 51 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: that's thet We're doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm 52 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: excited to do that. So what's hilariously that is I'm 53 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: gonna be down there for the the Conference of Georgia 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: County Commissioners that they once a year, the annual conference 55 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: they have her County Inmstrs of Georgia today have it 56 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: everything in Savannah? Is that what was going on last 57 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: time that we didn't appreciate the last time I planted 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: show in Savannah, I was down here from this conference, 59 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: is the mayor of Bathan's gonna pop in on us 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: night popping? He might pop in, yes he might. Um, 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: you got some new commissioners on board might have them 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: roll up that's they can see the whole show bang, 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: then they can see him. No joke, like this is 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: a real time job. Vii is, This is not a hobby. 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: So we gotta So we got a dope show for 66 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: you today. We're gonna be talking with streamer and activists 67 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Mika Gadson. I even feel weird describing her as just 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: that she does like I almost want to call historian too, 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: like she knows about She's got all the receipts um 70 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: environmental justice like like can like intersections in her work 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: are just fascinating. So yeah, we got a lot um 72 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: a lot of love for me because came on. But 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: we'll talk to her in a little bit. Again. Before 74 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: we get into that, we got to talk about our 75 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: least favorite but most discussed subject just because he's in 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: the news. But we gotta gota we might have to 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: talk about Kanye West. Oh god, really, I mean, you 78 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: know when somebody came up to me the other day, 79 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: like someone who is like a genuine fan of the podcast, 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: and they were like, Kanya does a lot of stuff 81 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: that makes you guys have to talk about her. But 82 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: all right, so what's going on Kanye is just he's 83 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: divorced with with Kim Kardashian, YadA YadA, beef in with 84 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: a bunch of people. Because of the situation, he's pretty 85 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: much stocking her like online and public lea and ship. 86 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: But so some comedians have waited on this. Trevor Noah waited, 87 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: d L. Hughley has waited, and pretty much all of 88 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 1: them saying of him, saying pretty much reasonable things like, hey, 89 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: this is stalking. If this dude wasn't a millionaire, billionaire, 90 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: musical genius whatever y'all call them, cops would probably be involved, 91 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: This could lead to abuse whatever whatever you know. Making 92 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: commentary on that won't leave her alone, blah blah blah, 93 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: beefing with her her new boyfriend, Pete Davison, their exchange 94 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: of text messages. It's all really messy. It's all very 95 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: Jury Springer's funny, right. But in response to D. L. Hughley, 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: so he says, this is all one sentence to it's 97 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't break. So okay, let we start again. 98 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: We go stop letting practicing drug addicts be used by 99 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: leftists to Willie Lynch our future. Black people with our 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: own opinion are not allowed to speak in public. I 101 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: am the glitch d L. God does not like you, 102 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: You have no favor. Your family hates you. I would 103 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: hate to be related to someone who used to be famous. 104 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Now you're just known as a broke pond. At least 105 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Oprah got billions quote allegedly, come on, leftist, y'all gotta 106 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: do better than d L. This. Yeah, bring the real smoke, baby, 107 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: show your real face. Charmonne with Charlemagne the guy. Just 108 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: don't hit the same way, do he? Who you're going 109 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: to send? Now? God is with us? You send d 110 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: L against us. You've lost. No brilliant Hebrews will bow 111 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: to y'all no more. Only dumbass, drug addicted house niggers. 112 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Don't play with me, don't play with God. Anybody related 113 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: to d L called Chris like a bunch of Kanye 114 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: rambling stuff. But the thing that stuck out to me 115 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: was his use of the term leftists. And I noticed 116 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: because I'm punching myself in the face. I don't know 117 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: if you can hear that. I just wanted to transcribe, 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: since this is an audio show, that I am myself 119 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: in the face right now. Okay, come on, please, all 120 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: of the expected preachers are obviously all out there now here, 121 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: all of them are coming out and they're like, yes, Scott, 122 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: tell those leftists, tell those that the like I would, 123 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: I would dare him to like like define what I mean. 124 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: That's that's that's applying too much rationality to it, I think, 125 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: because like for me, it's not even necessarily paying attention 126 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: to Kanye, but looking at the right wings reaction to 127 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: him in this situation. And now, like I mean, obviously 128 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: Kanye he wore the MAGA hat, who visited with Trump, 129 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: he did all that stuff. But really, if you think 130 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: about this situation, it's like they're finding solidarity solidarity with 131 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: this dude at this particular moment on the basis that 132 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: he's harassing his wife, you know what I mean, Like, 133 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: that's that is that's the leftist attack. The leftist attack is, hey, 134 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: don't like harass your wife and threatened to like kill 135 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: people online, which is why he got he got a 136 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: booted from the Grammys. He was supposed to perform and 137 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: they booted him because of he like he's making like 138 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: threats to d L and Trevor like I've got I 139 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: have enough money to get you hurt. I know where 140 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: you live like ship like that. Right, So they they 141 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: kicked them off the Grammys and that is now the 142 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: right wings they're canceling Kanye. Yeah, just just a further 143 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: demonstrate that this canceling woke, cancel culture ship that they're 144 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: talking about. It's like, really, it's rooted in are you 145 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: trying to be a decent person or not? Because if 146 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: you're trying to be a decent person, then that's well 147 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: that's bad, that's cancel culture. This really is reminiscent to me. 148 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: I was learning yesterday that UM Josh Holly um LAEF 149 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: senator from Missouri. Is that correct? Um, it's endorsed herschel 150 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: Walker for Georgia Senate. UM. If you're not familiar, former 151 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: UM Georgia football player, very famous, UM some have some problems, 152 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: might have like beat the ship out of several women, 153 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: including his ex wife allegedly, and so, UM, so Holly's 154 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: out here talking about how this like democratic candidate for UM. 155 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: Actually let me, I think Nicki Haley came down to 156 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: Georgia to campaign and raise some money with herschel Walker. 157 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: That is Nicki Halleys. She was governor of South Carolina, 158 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: CUM she was UM. I think Ambassador to the U 159 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: n But I mean before that, okay, I don't Oh yeah, 160 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: I ain't even pressed. So Josh Holly, what did he 161 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: do besides accused the Supreme Court nominee of supporting pedophilia. Yeah, 162 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: Josh Holly, They're like, look, man, the Republicans are now 163 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: in this new thing where the same way that Putin 164 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,479 Speaker 1: is thrown around Nazi to justify or now the Republicans 165 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: are just like blanketly calling everybody a pedophile, like just everything, 166 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: everybody for everything? Oh, is it like a Q and 167 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: on kind of thing, Like, well, not really see what 168 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: they're saying. So she had ah there was a case 169 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: or something that she was hearing where someone was making 170 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: an argument against like a mandatory sentencing for people who 171 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: I guess indulge in child pornography. And the person who 172 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: was arguing this was making the case that not everybody 173 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: who's involved in it is involved in it for that reason, 174 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: like there's like a bunch of factors that go in. 175 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: So they were explaining this this reasoning to her for 176 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: the sentencing, and she was hearing their reasoning and was 177 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: asking them questions. So they've like sniffed out the questions 178 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: that she was asking to say that this is what 179 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: she was supporting, that she has a history of doing. 180 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: It's really ugly stuff, Like really it's like pretty much 181 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: demagoguery as close to it as you can get. But 182 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: it's a bad ship. But that that that seems to 183 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: be their new tactics. Just like at every level from 184 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: online Twitter discourse to now even politicians are just like, oh, 185 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: we don't want this person to be nominated. Let's just 186 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: float out there uncircumstanced, circumstance, circumstantiator accusations. But I'm sorry 187 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: what we're saying about a drop. So there's a Democrat 188 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: running for something in Missouri I forgot about. But he's 189 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: got some he's got some like the Salt allegations against him, 190 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: and he's like, if you if you beat your if 191 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: you put your hands on a woman, you should be 192 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: in handcuffs, not the Senate or you know whatever. Meanwhile, 193 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: he's endorsed herschel Walker though, who like long history of 194 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: allegations of being shifted out of women. And so it's 195 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: like literally like they go they're like go to like 196 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: the bargain bin. Black people just like, oh, what do 197 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: you have? What do you have black Oh you don't 198 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: have Oh we're fresh out of uggar everestus. Oh we 199 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: ain't got no top knives. Uh. Well, I can't leave 200 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: empty handed because we look at real we look in 201 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: real sparks. If I don't, if I don't come home 202 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: with something, um. But actually I would say that, like, 203 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: can we go back and talk about how we talked 204 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: about the Hebrew? Yeah? I mean what does that? Even 205 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: the whole the whole thing is not sensible? Like what 206 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't you know what does this talking about? Well? 207 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: I learned recently. So when I was at south By Southwest, 208 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: I encountered a group of like street preachers that were 209 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: these black dudes with like big old beards, wearing like 210 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: punk rocks, like studded jackets with like um stars of 211 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: David on it, who were claiming to be of the 212 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Temple of the Israelites and um, talking about how they're 213 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: like like black people are the real Jews. Did anybody 214 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: body photography altogether? I hope no I photographed them. I 215 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: was like, what the fucking my witnessing right now? I 216 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: don't do not know what's going on, and like for 217 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: higher office, that picture is gonna come up with you 218 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: with them, like frank down, Like, what am I witnessing 219 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: right now? How I know that? Um no? So I 220 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: mean that that I was I was been learning about 221 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: how like in the A d O L like I 222 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: don't call you know, I don't know if you call 223 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: it a movement or like circles kind of hope happy 224 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: as like spiritual black people that are like, um, you 225 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: know kind of yeah, anyway, we'll get into a halt. 226 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: We need to do a whole episode in a DUS 227 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: But anyway, but I didn't I didn't know. Apparently this 228 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: is really a thing where um like sounds kind of 229 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: like people think that black people are the real Jews 230 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: and like the real children of Gotten the way that 231 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: Juts are something like I don't know, well, I mean, 232 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, Ethiopian Jews or Black I'm not you know, 233 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm not too familiar with the history in terms of 234 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: like who was first or who wasn't. But back to 235 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: this Kanye thing, it definitely sounds like he is trying 236 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: to perfect like a merger of Hotep sentiment, you know, 237 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 1: sentiment with like full on modern day right wing that 238 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: shittery and it's just, you know, it's curious curious because 239 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: like now if you're you know, you know, when you're 240 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: getting some discourse with these fan groups and stuff like that, 241 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: and you know if you're like, oh man, I didn't 242 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: like track number three on Beyonce's last album, and then 243 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: you find yourself like taking it from all sides and 244 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: ship like that. Well, this Kanye discourse just like you know, 245 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: like creeping through some comments sections and ship like that, 246 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: a little little line between like some of these Kanye 247 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: fans and like a full on magal lunatic is starting 248 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: to get raise it at this point, raise it bizarre. 249 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm not an elected politician, so if you were, if 250 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: you if um, I came back to you of ten 251 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: years ago and it's in a little time uh time machine. 252 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: I was like a time caps hope that's not right, 253 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: um spaceship still wrong of time machine and told you 254 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: any years now Kanye West is going to I believe 255 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: he is um uh last by uh um it's leftist, 256 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: and that he's threatening to murder d l Hughley and 257 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: um also slid slavery is fine. You know what a reason? 258 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: What would you think? Would you? Um call for help? 259 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked me that because you know, I 260 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: think we're gonna have to do an episode someday of 261 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: like criticizing hip hop from the left, you know what 262 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: I mean. But I I wouldn't if you told me that. 263 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised personally, you know, not, not like 264 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: I have any sort of like one up on anybody 265 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: on knowledge or anything like that. But when I started 266 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: becoming just in my own mind, when I started becoming 267 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: more politically aware, like around you know, like post nine eleven, 268 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: two thousand three ish, two thousand two ish, that sort 269 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: of errors, when I started having my own political weight 270 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: ging and developing my own political world view and ship 271 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: like that. Being that was around the time when I 272 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: first started like getting into wrapped and being a rapper, 273 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: and then I was noticing, wait a minute, there's a 274 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: lot of right wing ship in this hip hop day 275 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: right now. It's kind of just going around undetected that 276 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: we're not even like paying attention to because of you know, 277 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: I don't know why, like for for some reason, we've 278 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: got like this blind spot that it's like, yo, if 279 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Kid Rock was saying this, we would all clearly see 280 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: what it is, you know what I mean. So there 281 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: were just aspects of in particular Kanye West personality as 282 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: a public figure and as an m C. Just to 283 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: be honest with you, where I was like, Oh, this 284 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: beat is dope, but this got something I don't know 285 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: if I really I don't know if I'm working with 286 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: this dude like that, you know. I mean that's just 287 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: me personally. So as time goes on, it's like one 288 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: way you could interpret it is be like, oh he's 289 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: a diva, or oh he's an asshole or a damn 290 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Kanye is a real jerk, you know what I'm saying. 291 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: But if you're like one of those people who looks 292 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: at things through a political lens, it's like I think 293 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: it was this thing was the right winger, you know 294 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I mean like ten years ago 295 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: is when like my Beautiful, Dark Twisted Fantasy dropped and 296 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: even then he was like I had a reputation as 297 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: an asshole, even had that song Are you remind me 298 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: of it? When he said that this one's an asshole, 299 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: you know, like and like there's that moment of redemption, 300 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, maybe Kanye is okay. Like I remember, 301 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: like you're like, I'm ship, Like I love Kanye a 302 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: getting all right, Yeah, maybe you have to go back 303 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: farther than that butt. When people tell you who they are, 304 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: believe them. And we have kept this intro going way 305 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 1: too motherfucking log, so you wanted to real quickly there 306 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: was some uhmies want to shout it out before me 307 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: moving to oh, yes, you're right, you're right, you're right, yes, 308 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: before you forget abou yo, I smoked my ball before 309 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: we started my memory or short term memories going all right, yeah, No, 310 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention, you know, because we're in 311 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: this uh current news cycle where everybody is talking about 312 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine and the situation there is definitely terrible and you know, 313 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: people are dying, the Russians are bombing cities, uh indiscriminately 314 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: killing kids and stuff like that. But I just want 315 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: to take it as the resident African on this show, 316 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: just to remind people that there are currently like wild 317 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: coup's going on in Africa and refuge and refugee crisis 318 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: is of their own. Um. I think Burkina Faso just 319 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: had a military takeover. There was a failed one in 320 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: Guinea Basu, so I mean, you know what I mean, 321 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: there's other there's other places where there's tensions on the 322 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: rise and stuff like that. So it's not even like 323 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: I understand, it's like I am not surprised that white 324 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: Western media is focusing on their white Western ship, you 325 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But for people who aren't like 326 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: tunnel visions into that, you know what I'm saying, maybe 327 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: you should, you know, go and and and read about 328 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: some of the other things that are going on over 329 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: the world because this Ukraine ship, as bad as it is, 330 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: it is going to take up twenty four hour news 331 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: coverage at least for like the next year and a 332 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: half maybe two years, so you guys probably won't be 333 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: hearing about much else. And I appreciate you framing it 334 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: that way because we either see like leftists making fun 335 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: of like libs about like how you don't care about 336 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: war when it's when it's brown people, and like libs 337 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: being like not, you know not now, like you know 338 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: why you gotta distract from like those issues those issues 339 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: are about too, But we're focused on Ukraine right now, 340 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: like rather than people just having a genuine dialogue about this, 341 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: instead of folks that have a more robust antipe war 342 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: stands where they are pretension you know, paying attention to 343 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: conflicts internet, like genuinely international, not general international, more like 344 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: a more broad of international conflicts. Can comment on that, 345 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: not just when the war is on white people, right, Um, 346 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: maybe read up on this, Maybe find out about this 347 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: rather than like poking fun at folks for not having known, 348 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: because it's not I don't think it's just like the 349 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: regular average person's fault that they don't know about this. 350 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: It's the meaning and then tell you on top of that, 351 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: on top of that, on top of that with like 352 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: some of these leftists who say ship like that, it's 353 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: like nigga, I don't never hear you talking about ship 354 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: that's going on until so, you know what I mean. 355 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: It's like this opportunity to kind of be your point, 356 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: but also why you have be like that, Like just 357 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: the point, the point is valid. I'm not hating on 358 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: the point, but it's just like you gotta you yourself, 359 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: have to be consistent, you know what I mean. So 360 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: if I'm watching your ship, if I'm listening to you 361 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: and you're somebody that I listened to on the regular, 362 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: and you weren't talking about fucking Brakino Fasso, you know 363 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: what I mean? Two months ago when the ship went down. 364 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: Then don't be like, why are you talking about Ukraine? 365 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: Their stuff going on, and you know I don't don't 366 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: do that now, like yeah, everybody shows some humility, like 367 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 1: I just you know, I just found out about this. 368 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: I want to raise some awareness about it. Oh thank 369 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: you French kidding me about that, rather than just like 370 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: being so stubborn about like I'm right, you're wrong. I'm 371 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: right about this thing. I found out about two weeks 372 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: ago about it. Today, I'll find links down the line. 373 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: But there there are you know, there's there's YouTube channels 374 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: that cover African news and African politics and African occurrences, 375 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: tons of them. I mean there's fifty four fifty six 376 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: countries in Africa, so you know what I'm saying, Like, 377 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: there's there's people who are covering these things that you 378 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: can find if you look for it. I'm just saying again, 379 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: I am not surprised that these things don't get covered 380 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: by people who don't have an you know, feel that 381 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have an interest in it. I do. And 382 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm just just spreading that out there for people who 383 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: also think that they might that there's a lot, there's 384 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot of problems in the world, so many problems 385 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: in the world, so many Well, let's take a break 386 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: in and get into this interview with me. Guy, let's 387 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: do it, all right, We'll be right back after the job. Alright, alright, alright, 388 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: So today we are here with Mika Gaston. I don't 389 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: even know you wear so many hats, like like you 390 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: are Charleston. To me, I'm like, oh you mean you 391 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: mean Mika City, you know, like her queendom. I will 392 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: let you intro yourself for all our listeners this week, 393 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: are no problem and thank you first and foremost. Talking 394 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: about wearing many hats. Uh, you do it all yourself. 395 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm Mika Gadston. I'm based here in Charleston, 396 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: South Carolina. Um. I am the daughter of Jim Crow 397 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: refugees so are relocated to Charleston probably about eight years 398 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: or so ago. Um. But uh yeah, I'm a I'm 399 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: an activist, I'm an organizer, I'm a gad fly. Um. 400 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: I pissed people off. I interrogate power and all that, 401 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: and and I create and I'm a Twitch streamer and podcasters. 402 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: So that's me. But only she out here in these streets. 403 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: She out here on these um she out here on 404 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: these streams. Oh you can tell who's who's the real 405 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: wrapper around here, real bars. Yeah. So, UM, we had 406 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: the pleasure recently kind of speaking about the intersections between 407 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: some of the projects we're working on. I spoke a 408 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: little bit about my work with Lennontown here in Athens, 409 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: and there's a somewhat overlapping UM project that you are 410 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: working on in Charleston called the Friends with Patson Creek. Correct. Correct, 411 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: you can talk to us a little bit about that. Yeah, absolutely, Well, 412 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, UM, I'll talk to you about this. I think. 413 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: I think, just like so many other towns, not just 414 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: specifically Southern cities, UM, Charleston has this long, the storied 415 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: history UM of taking taking land, UM, taking agency or 416 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: attempting to remove agency. UM. And they do it through 417 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: a myriad of ways. You know, all oppression is linked, 418 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: but specifically in Charleston. I mean, if they didn't create 419 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: the pattern for Hayless, dump into your backyard and then 420 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: take your land and then you know, enter you into 421 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: a cycle of poverty for generations, I don't know who. 422 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they want to earn that distinction, 423 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: but Charleston has perfected this what my friend calls my 424 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: my brother in this struggle, Cyrus Buffon calls a pattern 425 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: of taking and um, yeah, the friends of Gas and Creek. 426 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: What we're trying to do is we leverage the archive, 427 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: uh and trying to highlight this pattern. But now more recently, 428 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: since we've partnered with you know, the South Caroline Environmental 429 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: Law Law a law group scalp UM, we we're now 430 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: taking it to the courts and so, um, we're taking 431 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: on one of the biggest developers here in Charleston that 432 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: it's actually just another outgrowth of previous effort to take land, 433 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: to take home ownership, to take the ability to build 434 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: equity from black Charlestonians. And so we're currently engaged in 435 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: this fight where we're taking them up. And you know, 436 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: they are a formidable foe, but we are mighty and 437 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: we are persistent, and uh, I'm encouraged by our fight, 438 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: and we want to we want to, we want to 439 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: we want to explain to people this pattern. And I 440 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: think also really quickly for talking back, we want to 441 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: show black folks that environmental justice issues or environmental injustice 442 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: is a black liberation issue. And and that's one thing 443 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: that we're all we're poised to do as well in 444 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: this fight. Um. So just for our listeners, say, when 445 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: you say that Charleston has like a long history of again, 446 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: could you give like an example so those who don't know, Yeah, 447 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: so uh in the late nineteen thirties, specifically, I'm gonna 448 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: keep you over here with friends of gas and Creek 449 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: because what's done here on the peninsula. If you look 450 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: at a map of all staid, it's not just the 451 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: tourism district or the tourism tourism region that resembles a 452 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: thumb um, but that the thumb is the peninsula. But 453 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: that's where we're gonna stay, I think for the majority 454 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: of this of this conversation. And so back in the 455 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, there was a tornado that ripped through Charleston Um, 456 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: the affluent area, as well as Um, an area of 457 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: of Charleston called Gads and Green also informally called back 458 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: the Green Um. If you know anything about Charleston, you'll 459 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: learn about the Gala Gichi language and and so that 460 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: probably was where that name emerged from Back to Green 461 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: so Um as the tornadoes ripped through Back to Green 462 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: Um the affluent side of Charleston was allowed to rebuild 463 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: and to you know, um, you know, rebuild that the 464 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: tourism and buildings, instructures and in residences. Whereas the black neighborhood, 465 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: and this was a black neighborhood that actually held the 466 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: most upwardly mobile, economically independent black people. These were teachers, 467 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: these were fishermen, These were people who um, you know, 468 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: sold livestock. Um. They lived off of a creek called 469 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: the Gadsden Creek right up against back the green or 470 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: gads In Green. And so as this this tornado comes through, 471 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: it's disaster capitalism one on one. This was the time 472 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: where the previous mayors always eyed this part of Charleston 473 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: because you know, they wanted to create I guess they 474 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: wanted to they wanted to create more real estate, but 475 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 1: they also wanted to have more taxable land. Um. And 476 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: so they started to um. Instead of black folk allowing 477 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: them to rebuild their homes, they literally said no, we're 478 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: going to build a housing project, um, and you're not 479 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: going and they called it a slum. It was a 480 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: slum clearance. All those words that we know are very 481 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: problematical phrases rather that are very problematic um uh and 482 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: so you know, after this community over forty families, not 483 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: forty people, forty families mobilized and organized to not only 484 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: raise the money through th years, um you know, carnivals. Uh, 485 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: they also wrote this, this this amazing letter to the 486 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: mayor at that time, Mayor Lockwood, saying hey, no, no, 487 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: we're we're we got this. We're gonna raise money, We're gonna, 488 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: we're gonna pull ourselves up our boot traps all just 489 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: to get like a one paragraph response from the mayor saying, nah, 490 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna build this housing project and that. 491 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: So they took black folks ability to rebuild their homes. 492 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: But also what they did they started to dump that 493 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: thumb I told you about, Well the thumb wasn't as 494 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: fat as it is now. So what they started to 495 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: do specifically on this area, and they did it in 496 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: other areas as well. They started to dump and and 497 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: fill in the marshaland the tidal creek area. This is 498 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: a creek again that folks were baptized in that they 499 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: earned a living from or shoot, they just fed their 500 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: families from it. If you wanted to have crab or shrimp, 501 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: you would just throw out whatever bait out the window. Literally, 502 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: we've heard this from you know, the great the grand 503 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: kids or whatever relatives of folks who remember the memories 504 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: of sitting out a line to to to crab ab Um. 505 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: So people lived off this creek and they had they 506 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: earned a living off this creek. So they began the 507 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: city began to dump into the Marshaland area, and um, 508 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: that caused all kinds of problems as you would imagine, 509 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: and from else to rodents um and also flooding, and 510 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: that's what we're contending with now. So um. You know, 511 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: when you talk about taking, they didn't just take land. 512 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: They took natural resources from black folk over time. It's 513 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: interesting that it kind of comes in at both sides 514 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: for both kind of addressing this side in which like 515 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: weather disasters and natural phenomena, you know, what happens from 516 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: those impact black people. You know, it was very reminiscent 517 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: to me. I'm in New Orleans right now, and so 518 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: it's making me think of females response after the Hurricane Katrina, 519 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: right um. And so then sort of forecasting forward to 520 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: like what this can mean for our environmental justice struggle 521 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: going forward if we don't get climate change under control. 522 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: We already got the we got the seats for what 523 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: they do when this happened to our communities on the 524 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: other side, like like h form of like racial terrorism, 525 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: people don't think about when you mess with somebody's natural 526 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: resources and like the land and the waters from which 527 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: they draw life. And so you got that time too 528 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: linked in with this like narrative running throughout all of 529 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: our histories, um as black people of just like theft 530 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: and then some more theft and look, oh you know, 531 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm just doing a little bit more of that. Let 532 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: me just have that and have that. You're using that? 533 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: Oh you are, you're using it? No, no, no, you're 534 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: not using that. I'm gonna have that, thank you. Um So, 535 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: what so what does this mean for you all today? 536 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: With regards to demands You're continuing to raise your local 537 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: government in other ways, you're elevating this issue, you know, 538 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: not unlike so many people. Uh probably not unlike some 539 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: of the work you're you're involved with, Mariah um uh 540 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: and not unlike the homies in New Orleans. Shout out 541 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: to Pichon Battle and scrape. Request is just two people 542 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: who I've worked are done some projects centering some of 543 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: their work over the last couple of years. UM. You 544 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: know what it means is that we have to again 545 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: educate folks on the history. Let folks know that you 546 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: know those memories that your grandma, your auntie, your uncle's 547 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: kind of told you about, those those you know, these 548 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: are real people. So like reanimating some of those figures 549 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: from the past so that people can make a connection 550 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: to it. And we've done that. I think we've done 551 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: that well, not just alone but with other partners that 552 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: we've collaborated with. UM. So we've told the story by 553 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: leveraging the public archive again something I had learned from 554 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: my my brother and this cyrus buffum um. And and 555 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: so once we we told the story, and then we 556 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: we go up against the powers that be. We make this, um, 557 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: we make this amazing case. And y'all get this, get this. 558 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: This was What really gets me is that we've got engineers, 559 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: We've got um we've got scientists, we've got people who 560 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: run the local aquarium, we've got all types of educators. Uh, 561 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: I mean it runs the gamut. And not to say 562 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: the credentials mean everything, but we've got all these credential 563 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: folks saying, hey, don't feel this creek anymore, because that's 564 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: what we're fighting currently. We're fighting the feeling of the 565 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: remaining four acres of of of title Wetlands is still 566 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: an operational title creek there that they have yet to 567 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: fill to build luxury condominiums and whatnot. And so, um, 568 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: we we made this compelling case. Public outcry has been 569 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: on our side. The majority of people who who gave 570 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: public comment at hearings, Um, they've been on our side. 571 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: And not only that, the kicker was our mayor took 572 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: his took his raggedy self over to Amsterdam because you know, 573 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: the Dutch know how to live with water, right, that's 574 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: that's you know. I've been over their shout out and 575 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: it was great. Um, So they went over there for 576 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: this thing called the Dutch Dialogues, came back and continued 577 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: this Dutch Dialogues like series here where they performed caring, 578 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: they performed listening to what the Dutch said. The Dutch 579 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: on top of all of our friends who are experts 580 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: and engineers. The Dutch said, yeah, don't feel the creek. 581 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: Revitalize it, um, restores title functions so it can drain 582 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: that flooding that was caused by you know, decades and 583 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: deck age of filling and dumping um. But nonetheless you 584 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: know the interests, the powers that be, the mayor um 585 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: and who is a developer who was into commercial real 586 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: estate before he took office, and he took over for 587 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: Mayor Riley, who a lot of people like to put 588 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: up on high esteem after mother Manu. But Mayor Riley 589 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: was an ambitious developer. For forty years, forty years we 590 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: had run mayor forty hyper tenure, like on another level, 591 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: for forty years we had one mayor who was a 592 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: real estate developer in that seat. And he is literally 593 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: if you look at since his data, he literally had 594 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: flipped the black population, which was in the majority when 595 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: he took office in late nineteen seventies. He flipped the population. 596 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: And while I'm bringing that up in this conversations because 597 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: we're trying to we're trying to tell people that this 598 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: was part of the plan the whole time. And some 599 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: of the actors, some of the last names and bad 600 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: actors now well literally their fathers were a part of 601 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: the original plans in the seventies to fill in developed 602 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: this area and to expel black people, black family, black history, 603 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: black culture, and to bring in you know, more more tourists, 604 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: more white folks, more affluent white folks, et cetera. So 605 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: right now, even though we've we've made our compelling case, um, 606 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: they're not listening. So we're gonna take you to the courts. 607 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: And that's where we're at right now. We're taking one 608 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: of the chief developer West Edge to court in June. Um. Yeah, 609 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: And so currently, uh, we are you know, we're going 610 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: through a lot of things, depositions and and things like that. 611 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: So like, what what do you think it is that 612 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: y'all need? Because, like you said that, you've been working 613 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: at this for a while, So what is it that 614 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: you think you need at this moment that would like 615 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: push it over the top because of public outcry is 616 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: at a high pit and you guys are doing all 617 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: this stuff and you know what I mean, you're they're 618 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: still resisting. Like what do you think could push you 619 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: all over the top? Yeah, Like, first of all, even 620 00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: being go ahead, all right, I was listening to moments 621 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: talked about when we met a couple of weeks ago, 622 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: Like okay, what we're the tactics of like the Lennontown project, 623 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: and like we told you about them, and it sounded 624 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: pretty much like what y'all did. It's like, well, y'all 625 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: must be up against some like especially evil people. If 626 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 1: like y'all have done, it sounds like even higher degrees 627 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: and we did with letting down and they still trying 628 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: to resist y'all. But yeah, what what was it was? 629 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: He I'm interested in here as well? What's your analysis 630 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: of Yeah? Yeah, the yeah, well you know, um get 631 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: that's like a heart I think I had an answer 632 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: that I'm like, but no, I think being here is helpful. 633 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: Like seriously, one thing about Charleston they lose is public 634 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: like national exposure. They little they might they'll deal with 635 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,959 Speaker 1: a couple of us tree huggers, you know. Um, But 636 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: when it becomes a story um in New York Times, 637 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: because we've seen the tourism industry, or rather I call 638 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: it the Antebellum industrial complex, we've seen them respond to 639 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: perhaps you know, some stories that I've been involved with 640 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: in the New York Times or other stories in the 641 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: Washington Post about about some of the things that they 642 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: do here. The um. So I think more exposure always helps. Um. 643 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: I think more we we love ideas, the call we 644 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: have with you Mariah. UM was so just so important 645 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: because we were doing a lot of the things that 646 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: you were suggesting, Which is not to say that, oh yeah, 647 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: we did that, No, it was it was validation, so 648 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: being in community with other folks and learning new things 649 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: because you also put us up on games, so we 650 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: learned new things. But also it was validation to hear 651 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: that Okay, yeah, leveraging the archive, that's a good step. UM. 652 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: Getting the elders involved, UM. Shout out to Mr John. 653 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: We were just over there yesterday, UM holding space with 654 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: him and walking the creek and talking to him about 655 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: upcoming legal action and how he's gonna participate. And so 656 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: like having these partnerships with people who've been a part 657 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: of that community, even if they moved away, UM bringing 658 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: them back in. And our recent UM a recent part 659 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: ner CAJUM, which is uh, it's like a Christian a 660 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: Christian justice ministry activist group. Well, they rolled deep, six 661 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: thousand strong. We're having a huge rally on April four, UM, 662 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: and we're we're holding the mayor's feet to the fire. 663 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: And even though he won't come and participate in this 664 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: action that we've asked him to come and participate in 665 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: pledge that he won't fill the creek. The the optics 666 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: of having you know, hundreds of hundreds, if not a thousand, 667 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: people show up and n advocate for this, this area, 668 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: this neighborhood is going to help put us a little 669 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: bit over the top. But I think more exposure and 670 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: more collaboration with other like minded groups, especially in the South. 671 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: People really do not give the South enough credit for organizing. 672 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: The blueprint is here. We know this, we know this historically, 673 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: and so UM just continue to build partnerships across the 674 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: Southeast has been really important. Yeah, and then two things 675 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to like go back and just highlight. One. 676 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: Mayor had to go across the ocean to find the 677 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: white people that live amongst Water in order to get 678 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: their confirmation that like you, like you should live amongst Water, 679 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: despite the fact that there was a rich and vibrant 680 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: community of black people probably right on the street from him. 681 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: I was doing it. It It was like, yeah, look, we're 682 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: out here doing it. It's like, I don't know, I 683 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: gotta find I gotta find the whitest white people. I 684 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: have to consult with the whites first. It's not real. 685 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: It's not real unless you have white man telling you, 686 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, with a with a nice you know, with 687 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: a funky accident, no shade, but like you know what 688 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not it's not real unless you do that. 689 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: And to your point, yo, like like Charleston is the 690 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: cradle of slavery. Charleston is the cradle of slavery. My 691 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: last name is tied so directly to one of the 692 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: biggest uh, you know, traffickers of Africans and slave Africans 693 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: Gadsden right, um. And so I'm bringing that up because 694 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 1: the African people that they stole came from certain coastal 695 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: regions where they had the best like I guess, they 696 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: were engineers. They were. They were these brilliant scientific minds 697 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: that also worked with the water and and also taught 698 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: white folks here how to how to irrigate, how to 699 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: create these rice fields, you know, more more land and 700 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: soil was moved to create these these rice plantations then 701 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: were moved for the pyramids in Egypt, and so to 702 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: just imagine the brilliance. And then when you when you 703 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: learn more, y'all, when you learn more about the Gala 704 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: Gichi traditions of living with water, surviving hurricanes, preparing and 705 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: rebuilding communities after hurricanes and things like that. You know, 706 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you tap those resources because there are there 707 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: are so many black oystermen, black fishermen, crabbers, you know, 708 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: all types of folks who live off the water. You you, 709 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: you know, this is not a lofty thing, is to 710 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: see a black man with the boat in Charleston, you know, 711 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: because that's that's how people live and and and enjoy nature. Um. 712 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: And so yeah, he went all around the world, and 713 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: I I I when you could just went down the 714 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: highway and and really and just really tap some like. 715 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: And that's the thing about Charleston. They will not they 716 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: will not look to black people for that brilliance, you know, 717 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: they will not look and seek that out. The gyms 718 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: are brilliance among us here. They rather go across the 719 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: globe um to get that white European validation. And that 720 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: that just shows you their priorities and how skewed they are. 721 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: So it's hard enough that you guys are dealing with 722 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: the city and everything like that. But how is like 723 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: the effects of climate change effecting something the fight that 724 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: you guys are. I don't know if I'm gonna be 725 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: here like in five years. Seriously the look Okay, so 726 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: this is my story. Jersey girl born and raised. But 727 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: my dad semi retired when I was in tenth grade. 728 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: So I actually finished high school down here, but I 729 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: was pune out because Charleston was just too regressive. I 730 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: wanted to be near culture and I and went to 731 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: I went to undergrad in the New York metro area. Um, 732 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying that because I remember being here. Flooding was 733 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: the thing. We're below sea level. Charleston has been below 734 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: sea level. That's not a secret. Flooding was a thing, 735 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: but it wasn't this thing. When I came back around 736 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: to see us, I didn't know about sunny day flooding that. 737 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: You know, the water just it's just it's just, you know, 738 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: the table is full, like literally below us. And a 739 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: lot of people like to talk about and shout out 740 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: to my My homie also part of the fo g 741 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 1: C click amaring Um from Pratt. She and her her 742 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: her comrades at Pratt up in Brooklyn. They actually did 743 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot of district a lot of research for us 744 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: regarding tips. And I'm bringing head up because they've also 745 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: been telling me about Hey, yeah, you're worried about the 746 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: storm surge and other sea level rise, but you're not 747 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: worried about the sea level rise that's like beneath our 748 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: feet and so rainy Dave flooding is one of like 749 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: a byproduct of some of that that there's water, uh 750 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: that we don't even we don't even know how to 751 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: deal with that's coming up. So when it's brilliant and 752 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: beautiful days like today, we went we were out in 753 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: back to Green yesterday there were puddles all over the place. 754 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't any rain at least in the last for 755 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: eight hours. So so what is that. So so you 756 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: have that and you have um, you know, when it 757 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: when it rains even for literally twenty minutes and not 758 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: nothing torrential, just regular everyday drizzle, it can literally shut 759 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: down the main thoroughfares for students and families to get 760 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: to school and work. And so lots of kids have 761 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: stayed home in this specific area. And that's pretty much 762 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: consistent around the peninsula. They've been filling in the marshaland 763 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: of tidal creeks all around the peninsula for so long 764 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: that it's it's just exacerbated this issue. And now the 765 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: tail of two cities. Back the Green, you'll go on 766 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: a rainy day, you'll see sandbags on everyone's front stoop. 767 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: But over on like south of broad Street, where the 768 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: more affluent, affluent area is, you actually have people hiking 769 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: up their houses. They're jacking up their houses because they 770 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: know that sea level rise is imminent. It's coming. Yeah, 771 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: so you know when you come here, you'll see two 772 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: different approaches. And you know, black people can't lift the 773 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 1: projects up. You know, we didn't do that. But um 774 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: also again shows you the priorities of the city as well. Yeah, 775 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: I think we've talked about it before. Is the kind 776 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: of one of the issues that you know, kind of 777 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: gets overlooked when people are talking about climate change is 778 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: how it's gonna affect poor people and marginalized communities quicker 779 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: than it's gonna think those that don't have to live 780 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: like that. Yet, one thing I wanted to circle back 781 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: to the second man once talks back to was um 782 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: public education around this history um as I I mean, 783 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: I feel like it's something we did well, but also 784 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: with engaging like newer generations GENC and folks like that, 785 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm working with like elders and art community to think 786 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: about how we can reach them. I mean, we have 787 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: like technologies that they never even seen, like they might 788 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: have heard of TikTok or something like very foreign to them, 789 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: and so kind of engaged in like like a like 790 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: a almost like an ideological tunnel around like we're trying 791 00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: to open. That's one of the demands a Balend Town project. 792 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: They wanted a black history museum built, and we got 793 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: the you know, the space for it carved out. We're 794 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: working out you know, the funding, etcetera. But really like 795 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: the contents of it are like of a lot of 796 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 1: debate because like they want to have some photos of 797 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: their like grandparents or something like. But what if we 798 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: had like a virtual reality like simulation or you could 799 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: walk through and see the neighborhood, so like things like that. 800 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, like, for you, what have you found 801 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: to be a success or struggles as you have encountered 802 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: with regards to educating people in the history. Yeah, that's 803 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: that's why I'm on twitch, right. So one thing about me, 804 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,359 Speaker 1: um is I'm on Twitch. I'm I'm probably I'm trying 805 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: to think. Um, I'm probably one of the older members 806 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 1: of Friends of Gas and Creek in forty one and so. UM. 807 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: But one thing about me, I know that the work 808 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: has to remain nimble and dynamic, and so it's it's 809 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of technology. UM, I've embraced it. I've 810 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: I've gone back to the school and whatnot, and I've 811 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: just literally just you know, taught myself to do everything 812 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: from podcasting to creating digital content across different mediums and 813 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: UM and do that. I've learned a love of sharing 814 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: that information. I've seen a really favorable response. Take take 815 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: for instance, UM, Black History Month that just passed. UM, 816 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: I didn't want to just do the regular not no shade, 817 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: but I didn't want to just do if you know 818 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 1: about Charleston's history, you know a lot about den MARVC, 819 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: which I did pay tribute to him. I wanted to 820 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: pay tribute to two women, UM, like Mary Moultrie who 821 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: led that famous hospital workers strike with corrector Scott King. Um. 822 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: You know, after MLK was assassinated. This was one of 823 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: probably arguably one of the more more significant moments in 824 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: civil rights history. Is not paying this such, but it 825 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: was so tremendous in terms of you know, you organizing 826 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: hospital workers that were predominantly black and women. Um, but 827 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: when I when I started to create content around Mary Moultrie, 828 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: everyone knows her story. But when I created TikTok's or 829 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 1: or reels, when I tell people that, hey, we had 830 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: this public art space or this this entertainment hall called 831 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,760 Speaker 1: the King Street Palace or the County Hall where MLK 832 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: talk spoke at and even farra Con and Salt and 833 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: Pepper and Biggie Small notorious b I g I was 834 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: it was written as bigg Small as the paper. But 835 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: but you know, like, look, black, blackhood, black culture used 836 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: to be a people because they've done so much to 837 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 1: erase our contributions. So to your to your point, there 838 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: is a museum being built and it does have some 839 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: controversy there because it they're trying to put all of 840 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: Charles's black history inside of this museum. And it's not 841 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 1: doesn't sound similar to what you just mentioned. It's not 842 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: from the people by the people. It's it's from it's 843 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: from the same developers who want to say, hey, we 844 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: did this thing and now shut up black people. You know, 845 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: we gave you this. And so it's more so as 846 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 1: trying to the predecess the mayors that that preceded the 847 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: current one. But but to that point, that's why it's 848 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: important to create these digital spaces where um, like a TikTok. 849 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,479 Speaker 1: I went to to the Disabled Museum in Chicago back 850 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: in November and they had the virtual reality headsets and 851 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: they put us right there at the March on Washington, Uh, 852 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, March on Washington with MLK, and like, what 853 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: would it feel like for my mom to sit there 854 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,479 Speaker 1: and put that on or my dad to put those 855 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, put that on? An experience that we can 856 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: do that here with our history and culture. So it's 857 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: something that we're talking about. I think that's something that 858 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm more so passionate about because I'm in this text 859 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: space to trying to make this information more accessible. Um 860 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: and so I I love the question because it just 861 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: it it gives you endless possibilities of what we could do, 862 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: how organizing could look like, what it could look like. Definitely, definitely. Well, 863 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean one thing I definitely struggle with. It's funny 864 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: my older colleagues. I'm the youngest person on the commission, 865 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: and so there was like, how do you how are 866 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,439 Speaker 1: you always getting these young folks to apply for these 867 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: boards and authorities and like showing up to speak and 868 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: they're like kind of mad about it. They don't like it. 869 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: And then the elders of my community are like, well 870 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: I didn't hear about that. I'm like, dang, like I 871 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: only you know, posted about that on Instagram or whatever, 872 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,240 Speaker 1: like I also need to be mindful of like, uh, 873 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 1: multigenerational ways of of informing all of you know, the public, 874 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: because you know, our movements have to be multigenerational. Um. 875 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think I appreciate the ways 876 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,239 Speaker 1: that you bring in new media's um because the young 877 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 1: folks are going to be the ones to care of 878 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: the struggle forward after all of us sitting here are gone, 879 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: you know. So that's so I appreciate you for that. 880 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take some notes something like but but but 881 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: I guess let me answer you a question at bit 882 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: more directly, like so i'm creating this content, I'm talking 883 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: to the elders, right, so I'm not And I'm like, 884 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: oh no, this woman and she used to live here 885 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: and she gave me a little tidbit. And so listening 886 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: to our older generations has been paramount timp to my 887 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: success as an organizer and of course to our collective, 888 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: the friends of Gas and Creek. So um yeah, finding 889 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: ways to integrate you know what they have to say 890 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: has been a challenge, but a good challenge, one of 891 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 1: those good challenges, those good problems where you know you're 892 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: always finding better solutions every every month or so. Yeah, 893 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: you got any more? Did you have? I mean, did 894 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 1: you have something? I mean, I'm enjoy listening to y'all 895 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,839 Speaker 1: talk of what else, what else working on? How else 896 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 1: you're working on? To other people to know about I Honestly, 897 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: I just need people to get on this twitch like 898 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: I I want people to not be intimidated by it. 899 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 1: They don't have to subscribe, they don't have to even 900 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: create an account. Push is just a website, as as 901 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: my friends always say, um, and I want to just 902 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: it's a morning show. So every morning Monday through Friday, 903 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: at eight am, I live stream for at least two hours, 904 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: sometimes I go as long as four. Sometimes in the 905 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: evening I do a double day where I come back 906 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: in our livestream City Council from home and we watched together, 907 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: and we prep people days in advance to submit comment 908 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: from home. Now that we have all these tools where 909 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: you know, participating in government should be and is more accessible. 910 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: So I have people submit their written or weight online 911 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: on the phone, but they can tune in and watch twitch. 912 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,759 Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to use twitches a way to 913 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,759 Speaker 1: really get into people's homes. And uh, it's a it's 914 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: a morning, it's a local morning show, and it's city 915 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: like Charleston that's doing everything in its power to displace 916 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: or to replace local voices with aggregated, you know, or 917 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: syndicated voices. Um, I my mind is a little spicy 918 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: now cussing the morning and me in the South. I'm 919 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,840 Speaker 1: a northern girl and so I know that don't always 920 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:24,799 Speaker 1: culturally fit. Oh my god, spicy and like so so yeah, 921 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: maybe the kiddos can't hear it in the car during 922 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: the car pool in the morning, but if people give 923 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: it a shot, they hang it long enough and they 924 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: see how dogged I am at like excavating. I mean, 925 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 1: I I just went through the mayor's received last week 926 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: and it was just conflicts of interests and people really 927 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 1: responded to, Oh, I didn't know his dad own this 928 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: company and I didn't know Mayor Riley created this this 929 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,240 Speaker 1: foundation that's really just a development company. Through the city 930 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 1: using city money. I didn't know that that they created. 931 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: They have nine districts on the Peninsula alone where they're 932 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,880 Speaker 1: siphoning off money from public education just to subsidize the 933 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: development projects. So like, that's what I like to do 934 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: and what I love about Twitches. It's not so, it's 935 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 1: not TikTok, it's not Instagram, and that you can have 936 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: a long form it's long form content where you can 937 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: have an extended conversation about some of these things played 938 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 1: in Charleston. And also we celebrate, we have fun, I 939 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: use sound effects. It's not meet the Press, it's it's 940 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 1: really dynamic and lively and you know, come check out 941 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,439 Speaker 1: a girl with frizzy hair, embraces, you know, talk shit 942 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 1: that that things. Yeah, that'll wake up. So okay, So 943 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 1: where can uh what? What? What's the Where can they 944 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 1: find the show? Where can they find you? And what 945 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 1: you're doing? Sure? On Instagram you can find me at 946 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: Charleston Activist Network. UM. On Twitter, it is just me 947 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,120 Speaker 1: Mika Gatz and I'm more active on that UM. But 948 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:49,319 Speaker 1: twitch twitches, twitch t w I t w A. I'm 949 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: all like now now I'm like tw twitch t w 950 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 1: I t C h dot tv forward slash Mika gads 951 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: than m I K A g A D S D 952 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 1: E N. So Yeah, Twitch dot tv forward slash Mika 953 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: Gazon is where you can buy me and I really 954 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,759 Speaker 1: the more the merrier, even if you don't even if 955 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: you're just a lurker as I call him, Even if 956 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 1: you're just a lurker and you don't want to participate 957 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: in the chat, come and check it out and watch 958 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,879 Speaker 1: for a couple of hours if you can. Yeah, it's 959 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: one of these days we're gonna have to hop on 960 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: that stream over. Please do It's fun. It's fun. We 961 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: keep it, We keep it really lively for sure. But 962 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much Mika for coming and joining us. 963 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,239 Speaker 1: Um we'll see you on Twitch, yes, and um we'll 964 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 1: see you out here when one of these things. Yeah, 965 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: y'all invite wh I do interviews, y'all invited to come 966 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:43,319 Speaker 1: on over definitely. Alright, y'all, that was Mika Gazon. That 967 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: was a really dope conversation. We're definitely gonna go on 968 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,480 Speaker 1: that Twitch stream and talk to where we want for 969 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, I want to break into the Twitter. 970 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: I want to get into all that streaming shot. I 971 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,800 Speaker 1: want to I want to do. There's so much I 972 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: want to do. Ya Like, I want to make like 973 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,319 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel ship, like I want to be able 974 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: to just like I want to just like drop like 975 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: week update wraps on people and stuff like I want 976 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: to do all that ship. Well, I'll tell you what. 977 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: Remember last time when I was like, yo, we're for 978 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: real winning on reparations. My Venmo is Mariah Parkerto. We 979 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: had one one send me fifty dollars. I'll remember your name, homie, 980 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: But I appreciate you. All I'm saying is if you're 981 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,759 Speaker 1: trying to, like we're trying to, you know, like make this, 982 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, expand our media empire. You can fund that 983 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: by sending Max some money on Dope knife at Dope 984 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: knighte on Venmo. Go to the band camp, buy some ship. 985 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,520 Speaker 1: You know what. We're even gonna make a waiting on 986 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 1: Reparations band camp and have like exclusive audio and and 987 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 1: merge and some other things. You gotta straighten all that out. 988 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,400 Speaker 1: But all that ship is un the work, um, but 989 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Word out, um you feel like crap. Well. 990 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I had a new single 991 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: come out yesterday. Oh good, you did well I mean 992 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: it's coming out. It's coming out Wednesday, but you know 993 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,319 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, um, so yeah, I would love to 994 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,720 Speaker 1: play all my new tunes called Necessity and top Bell Ringers. 995 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,960 Speaker 1: So you can go download the single today or preorder 996 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: the album. But yeah, all those people pep this um 997 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,800 Speaker 1: and the song goes out to all my MESSI mishies 998 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,240 Speaker 1: that I don't want to say, turn their lives around, 999 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: but also like keep it keeping one hundred like in 1000 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 1: their passion and professional pursuits. It never made me come 1001 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,000 Speaker 1: and this affected to oh my god, I never love 1002 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 1: you your room, making your mad parnastory. The saying limps 1003 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,360 Speaker 1: fine to do. What I'm trying to say is a 1004 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,360 Speaker 1: kind of hey do but lots of hbstacles when you 1005 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,839 Speaker 1: ain't out your pockets fools. He just got me two 1006 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: hundred dollars and buy foods. We could try to make 1007 00:54:54,840 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 1: it work. Pictures. That's October twoteen statement safe that I'm 1008 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,440 Speaker 1: dropping in the sea of working at the university, curves 1009 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: that I'm taking personally like ex gott a new girl, 1010 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: but he's still pouncing on the sneak because that coach 1011 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,279 Speaker 1: is juicy is a cord of pounder with cheese without 1012 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: the while and pretty worked listening. I'm the pous is 1013 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 1: full of police from a tappy cat naps in the kitchen, 1014 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,480 Speaker 1: Cabby nitties swearing to catching mousters while he snaps. Have 1015 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: been the cop with the boys because even though got burke, 1016 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: ever since I lost the power to be what power 1017 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: to clean, but power to pay the power, pay the 1018 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: then it's in the hospital, pay the internet, the water, 1019 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,839 Speaker 1: building up the offices, and pay for kitten chousing out 1020 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 1: the little nigga hostage like he's sending into what Cosby did, 1021 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,800 Speaker 1: but not off the his I just adopted him because 1022 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,400 Speaker 1: I needed a friend, needed somebody to be with the 1023 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,080 Speaker 1: seeded body heating the bed. Oh yeah, and my cat's 1024 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:53,399 Speaker 1: named Egg love you you know, made on never love 1025 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,760 Speaker 1: you from your man. Mad's a hardy cut stand straight 1026 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,319 Speaker 1: the saying it was fine to do what I'm trying 1027 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: to say. The card and I hate you all obstacles 1028 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 1: when you ain't got your pockets, fools. He just taught 1029 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 1: me to under dollars and body food. We could him 1030 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: when you work. Picture that's November three years ago. I'm 1031 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: bet on the next Canada patio because my ears, a 1032 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: cold chising with the canny slits and passing canadabis. So 1033 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,800 Speaker 1: to be clear, I didn't hit it. I'm not a 1034 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,360 Speaker 1: fan of it. No, I'm just chilling with this chatty folks, 1035 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 1: because the antidope to being sad and ship stashing in 1036 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 1: yourself into a mannequin. Open up some sugar, Daddy your 1037 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: candidate with daddy and bumpy bucks, and make your pain stock. 1038 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,239 Speaker 1: He is the game. Hey, what didn ain't where you're from? Oh? 1039 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: Cool bars, closed cars, home, just regard clothes, moan the 1040 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: scars don't show when to morrow comes, give him not 1041 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,360 Speaker 1: parcel talk, give up your part. Tell low calls sometimes, 1042 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,279 Speaker 1: and when he calls, he thinks you're close on him 1043 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: and pretty much falsome to adopt you like he's a 1044 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,239 Speaker 1: foster kid because of pottery, because you hate your body 1045 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,600 Speaker 1: because you're closet it and cant finding yourself what you 1046 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: think that you're finding? Love him? You never made me 1047 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,320 Speaker 1: come just to shoot you and oh never loved you 1048 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,719 Speaker 1: when you're your fans are part of costance dream the 1049 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,879 Speaker 1: same And I'm trying to say some kind of hate. Hey, hey, 1050 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,799 Speaker 1: this is dope knife, little Frank, and you have been 1051 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 1: listening to Waiting on Reparations. See you this week, Pierce. 1052 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, 1053 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,520 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.