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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And I want to know if, oh, hey, why do

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Speaker 2: you keep sneaking up on.

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Speaker 3: Under the table? I live under the table.

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Speaker 2: Now, I wasn't singing. I was just I was doing poetry.

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Speaker 2: So I don't want you to think you just keep going.

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Speaker 3: I'll just wait.

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Speaker 4: Please don't sneak up on me like this or it's

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Speaker 4: just so embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: You know what, you're not you gloss over the fact

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Speaker 3: that I live under the table.

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Speaker 4: But whatever, She's taken her naps and I'm like, you

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Speaker 4: take naps a lot.

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Speaker 2: So uh, while you're down there and getting in your chair,

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you. Yeah, besides my singing,

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Speaker 2: do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: No, I'll tell you. Crumble Cookies is like some I

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Speaker 3: don't know. It's like a cookie chain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear about it. Underwhelming, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Whatever some people tell me I may find cookies.

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Speaker 4: We talk about this one Crumble like the yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: But it's like me, it's it's it's a chain, and

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Speaker 3: so it's it's not going to be you know, phenomenal anyway,

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Speaker 3: no expectation. They teamed up with Dove and they're soap company. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're making like body wash so you can sell like

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Speaker 3: you have diabetes.

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Speaker 4: I got the ketosis.

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous that you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I was ridiculous, Elizabeth. I was telling you

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Speaker 4: earlier being the son of a ridiculous criminal.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, I'm so excited to hear that for part two.

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Speaker 2: And we did the first half of this story last time.

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Speaker 2: But I have so much more to share with you,

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Speaker 2: So let's dive back into the tale of two men

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Speaker 2: named Pietroca aka Peter the Greek.

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Speaker 4: This This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 4: outrageous capers. Hece and comes.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent ridiculous, Elizabeth. Is the last episode I told you

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Speaker 2: about Pietro Locreca Senior and his son, Pietro Locreca Junior

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Speaker 2: and Pietro look Ata Junior. He wrote a book about

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Speaker 2: his father. It's called Pesos, The Rise and Fall of

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Speaker 2: a Border Family. Now there is a podcast about his

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Speaker 2: outrageously criminal family from Audible. It's called The King of

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Speaker 2: the Peso. And we've covered much of the family story

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Speaker 2: so far, but there is so much more to tell yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is why this is the rare ridiculous crime two

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Speaker 2: parter ah, So you ready to get.

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Speaker 3: Rare always, let's jump back in medium rare.

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Speaker 2: To get to the heart of this tale. I asked

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Speaker 2: Pietro Lo Greca Junior what his bond was like with

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Speaker 2: his dad, just in general, and he told me.

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Speaker 5: And I found out later even more and I can

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Speaker 5: tell that story in the second. But there was an

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Speaker 5: ego behind what he got away with and that we

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Speaker 5: were kind of untouchable, right, So there was a bit

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Speaker 5: of a pride with that, But then came they absolutely

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Speaker 5: hatred for him, the way he treated my mom, the

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Speaker 5: way he treated me, right, So there was no kind

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Speaker 5: of like middle kind of chill family ground. I treated

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Speaker 5: him like he was my boss. I couldn't have any honest,

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Speaker 5: transparent conversations that I have with my daughter to this day.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think my dad apologized once to me.

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Speaker 5: I went off the handle on my daughter for not

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Speaker 5: studying for a test the other day, and I'm sorry

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Speaker 5: it was bs on my part. And I went up

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Speaker 5: Dad was out of line, right. I never heard that

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Speaker 2: Fathers are difficult, and especially you know, being a father,

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Speaker 2: that's difficult. A lot of us who aren't fathers don't

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Speaker 4: You're not a father.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a father, so we don't really know what

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Speaker 2: Just let's be real fingers. So we have so many

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Speaker 2: But that's too much for some dads, even if they

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Speaker 2: Now those are the last episode we talked about what

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Speaker 2: I've told you about Pietro Loreca Junior and what he's

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Speaker 2: told us about Pietro Loca Sor, can you imagine his

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Speaker 3: Very much can very much in like a Mercedes four fifty.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I can see it.

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Speaker 2: This what helped him was he had a very savvy wife,

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Speaker 3: Was she a good hearted woman, love and love with

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Speaker 2: Good time, and man, you better believe it, as one's

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Speaker 5: It, So he navigated, and I'm going to give myself credit,

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Speaker 5: my mom credit for this. He started navigating La Joya

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Speaker 5: and she was when you think of a debutante, you know,

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Speaker 5: Smack dad, picture her.

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Speaker 2: This is a key part of the Pietro Logreca story

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Speaker 5: She was engaged to marry someone else. She was nineteen

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, there's his dad, el hethan the og Pietro

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Speaker 2: and at this point former Tigelow, he's got his high

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Speaker 2: So she goes in. This is obviously before the insurance fire.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad had just opened Porto Fino the store,

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Speaker 5: eighteen slash nineteen years older than her, smoking a cigarette outside.

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Speaker 5: My mom looks at my dad and falls madly in love.

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Speaker 4: That's it, that's all it takes. Elizabeth. One look at

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Speaker 3: Wow for an older man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen and nineteen years older. She's like, oh, give

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Speaker 3: That looks like a man who's gonna burn down a store.

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Speaker 5: And how I tell the story is they get married

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Speaker 5: and that's why there's so much just hatred between my

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Speaker 2: Then a crazy paragraph of just thought like yeah, he's like,

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Speaker 2: She's highly prized in a patriarchal society. She's gonna be protected.

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Speaker 4: They try to marry her to some you know, other

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Speaker 4: He's like, what I mean, Like he invested so much

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Speaker 4: They were both trying to own her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so is he a Pietro Logrecca tells me

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Speaker 2: when when he keeps saying the devaluation, he means the

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Speaker 2: devaluation of the peso in nineteen eighty three, the Mexican

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Speaker 2: So for a good while in the early eighties, this

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Speaker 2: leads to his father pulling the whole family into his crime.

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Speaker 2: As Pietro Legreca told me.

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Speaker 5: So, my dad forced this way into our family. And

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Speaker 5: I call it our family because I know I'm a

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Speaker 2: No, my man, Pietro Junior, he's mad partial to the

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Speaker 4: They're loyal.

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Speaker 2: They're honest, they're caring, they're smart, they're like savvy, they're

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Speaker 2: That's true on both sides because He also liked his

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Speaker 5: I got to meet three of my aunts, lovely women.

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Speaker 5: Still to this day, they they would curse him for

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Speaker 5: to meet my aunt's lovely people obviously, like good Italian

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Speaker 4: That amazing seven hour meal. Now he's not done because I.

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Speaker 5: Was almost forest fed on it. Right. So everything you

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Speaker 5: She understood that this predicament was because of him, that

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Speaker 5: But also knew the only person that can get her

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Speaker 5: Everyone wanted their money laundered. So when a reporter wants

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Speaker 3: Which I would have just been all jumped, because that's

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Speaker 2: So his father at this point, he's costplaying as Tony

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Speaker 3: At a time too, when it was very little, they

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Speaker 4: And even also the options just like what where breast

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Speaker 3: See. No, this is the benefit of being in with like.

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Speaker 2: There are times in my life when I've known some

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Speaker 4: I won't even lie.

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Speaker 3: But then also this like to have the access so

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Speaker 4: No, I don't even I don't mean that part. I

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Speaker 3: This notion of I want something that's completely not criminally

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Speaker 4: He just fits right in.

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Speaker 3: But you do you get those favors.

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Speaker 2: So, Elizabeth, we've talked about narcos. We've mentioned a few

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Speaker 2: So then he selects his nephews to run the Tijuana Porter,

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Speaker 3: Oh God.

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Speaker 5: He could call in favors to anyone he wanted. If

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh wow.

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Speaker 3: It's taking them down, not killing them, taking them down.

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Speaker 2: Well, well right, Elizabeth, I got one for you. It's

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Speaker 2: He ends up getting on TV as part of a

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Speaker 2: Man on the Street prank four wait for it, David

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Speaker 2: Letterman's show what right There outside the Man's Chinese Theater.

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Speaker 2: One of the world's most wanted outlaws, one of the

439
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 2: most prolific drug dealers in cartel underbosses, winds up on

440
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: Letterman what Yes, And he doesn't get recognized, It doesn't

441
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 2: lead to his capture, just some stupid human tricks or whatever.

442
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 4: And then yeah, so anyway back.

443
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 3: To Jimmy Kimmel, like saying he doesn't know his daughter's names,

444
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 3: but what his daughter's names are, where countries are located.

445
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 2: Exactly when his wife's birthday is. Those are horrendous. They

446
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 2: make all men look bad. I hate them every time

447
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,719
Speaker 2: I watch them, Like God, were the worst, just because like,

448
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 2: what's your daughter's teacher's name? I don't know, what's your

449
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: son's girlfriend's name?

450
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 4: I don't know.

451
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 3: I don't know the names of schools.

452
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 4: One is your wife. I don't know.

453
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: But they also it's not just the men. They have

454
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: the ones where they hold up maps and they're like.

455
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 4: What oh, yeah, yeah, our general education is terrible. Who yeah,

456
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 4: it's just so anyway, back to.

457
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 2: Greca Junior and his dealings with the Aureano brothers and

458
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: Felix Calardo and the Mexican cocaine cowboys.

459
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 5: So what happened with that is my dad had concluded

460
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 5: his foreign exchange right and he threw three irons at

461
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 5: the coals. Ones was trying to get a concession for

462
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 5: a sports book, one was the real estate development project.

463
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 5: The other one was doing tax scams with the head

464
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 5: of the Mexican Irs, which that was the most looking

465
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 5: for him at the time. But that crosses over with

466
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 5: the Adanos, right, you have to understand the Adayano relationship.

467
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 5: Bighamien freediks Adiano met his wife at my dad's foreign exchange.

468
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 5: She was one of the tellers. She was robbed at

469
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 5: gorgeous ends up getting married to her. Then during the

470
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 5: foreign exchange days he lauded money for After the foreign

471
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 5: exchange days, the Ariano cartel came to my father and

472
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 5: specifically his former teller, his wife and said, so, we

473
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 5: have a big tax situation and we hear that you

474
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 5: have a friend at the highest levels. Can you fix it?

475
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 5: And my dad reluctantly said, look, I'll ask, but if

476
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 5: they say no, please, it's them saying no, not me

477
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 5: saying no. Because he didn't want any problems. Well, he

478
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 5: ended up going to the head of the Mexican irs.

479
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 5: They talked and for a price tag about seven and

480
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 5: a half million dollars, Aos no longer had taxishes. So

481
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 5: he had developed a very strong relationship. I'm not going

482
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 5: to say friendship, but it was a mutual relationship with

483
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 5: Gadiano's that they respected each other a lot.

484
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, you saved me seven million dollars. I'm gonna respect

485
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 4: you too.

486
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

487
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's like a friendship. I

488
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: think he's right to make draw a lot. Is it

489
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: just like, oh man, he's good people, he's good for me.

490
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

491
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: It's like if you got like a favorite gas station.

492
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: Right, That's what I think this is. So what do

493
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,239
Speaker 2: you even do with all this information? Your father has

494
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: a mutual respect with some of the most infamous drug

495
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: smugglers of all time, like they like him. People responsible

496
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: for countless deaths, degraded live he can't even put the

497
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: stilp in framing of a human mind.

498
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but for his father, these are the best times.

499
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: This is the good life, right, and he brings his

500
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: family further and further into this criminal life.

501
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

502
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 4: So, as Petr the Greca tells me.

503
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 5: So with the power my dad had from the money exchange,

504
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 5: the horn exchange days, my uncle came to him and says, hey, Pat,

505
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 5: can you help me get alone because my dad, my grandfather,

506
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 5: his father won't help me and my dad's life. Let

507
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 5: me call my iMX and see if we can pull

508
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 5: something off. With one call, my dad was able to

509
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 5: secure thirty million dollars round for my uncle. Well, they

510
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 5: started working on the shopping center and the development project,

511
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 5: and my uncle was spending all the money on the fund,

512
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 5: the horses, the women, the drugs, the parties, everything. So

513
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 5: the construction was not getting completed and my father basically

514
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 5: in his way because he was very I mean when

515
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 5: he was mean, he was me and basically told me

516
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 5: uncle he was being stupid dumb ass.

517
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: What does it mean to be a stupid dumbass in

518
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: this context? Great question?

519
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: I think I have an idea.

520
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you're sticking with me. Pietro Legreca, he

521
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: qualifies it.

522
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 5: When my uncle started spending their money, my dad got

523
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 5: a call from the Ironic Cartown and said, hey, your

524
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 5: brother in law, Yeah, what are you going to do

525
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 5: about it? And so my dad stepped in started fixing

526
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 5: everything right and was heading down the right path right

527
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 5: until my uncle booted him out of the project again.

528
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 5: And then the Ideanos called my dad and said, hey,

529
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 5: what's happening with your brother in law. He's not in

530
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 5: line anymore. It's like I can't do anything more for

531
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 5: you for him, I have to remove my software. So

532
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 5: when people asked me did my dad put the hit

533
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 5: on my uncle? I say no, he didn't, but he

534
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 5: didn't do him any favors with that phone, right.

535
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow, calling it h's to the Ariano's on your

536
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: brother because like, what's going on?

537
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: Well, because he's putting everybody at risk, you know.

538
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: And this is the uncle that Pietro Lagrecor Junior likes

539
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: a lot. Remember, he's the fun one, he's the one

540
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: he played polo with, but he's also too much fun.

541
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: Now he's putting the family more at risk than the

542
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: dad they're.

543
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: Not giving him thirty million, is walking around money they want.

544
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: He's basically they it's an investment. It's an investment their

545
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: money for them.

546
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 4: And want they want it and more coming back to them.

547
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: But is you know, but as the dad senior like,

548
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: he's got to protect the rest of the family because

549
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: if you cross the cartel, as they.

550
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 4: Would know, blow up the whole house.

551
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 3: But he didn't literally put a hit out, so we

552
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: can't call that a one percent.

553
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: We avoid the one percent there. Now, since you haven't

554
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: had any dealings with the Mexican cartel bosses like I have,

555
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: let me tell you this is not what you want

556
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: to have happen. You want as much distance between you

557
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: and anyone in a drug cartel, especially someone who's mad

558
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: that their money is being wasted.

559
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: I I know that, Yeah, something you.

560
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 4: Need to get close to know that. I think you're

561
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: just smart figure out. Yeah. So, as Pietro Logreca tells me.

562
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 5: And to be very candid, one of the things we

563
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: did before we even wrote the book, we sent an

564
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: investigative reporter into Mexico to interview the Ideano cartel and

565
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 5: the president's families and the Adiano Cartel's response was unbelievable. Instead,

566
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 5: Pietro Logreca was the most honorable criminal we ever worked with?

567
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: Was that journalist Sean Penn.

568
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: That's awesome.

569
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: Now this raised the question for me because I'm over here, like,

570
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: but was he though? Was he the most honorable criminal

571
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: you ever worked with? The reason for that is because

572
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: later on in our interview, Pietro Logreca Junior tells me

573
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: how Pietro Lureca Senior told him if he didn't get

574
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: his mind right and do what his father ordered him

575
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: to do, he would have his son killed and buried

576
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: in a nameless place in the Mexican desert.

577
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: Son. Remember, he's doing all this for his family. Yeah,

578
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: so honor and then until he's like, you're not doing

579
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 4: what I wanted. I know, a nameless place in the

580
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: Mexican desert with your name on it.

581
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: Now, in that mindset cease in. You cannot power clive

582
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: and operate within that mindset that.

583
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 4: You can get away with anything.

584
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: Anyone killed at any time, and life is really worthless

585
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: in that of course. Yeah.

586
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I was like, is your dad really

587
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: an honorable criminal?

588
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 6: Yeah?

589
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 4: It sounds more like a megalomania, I got bond villain.

590
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: That sounds like to me.

591
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

592
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: But Pietro Greca, he said, I.

593
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 5: Think you're You're onto the right words here, right, because

594
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: I find out that my dad took a spill, and

595
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 5: this was you have to understand. I revoked my dad's

596
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 5: power attorney of the properties my mom gifted to me

597
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 5: in Mexico that he was managing for me, because again

598
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 5: he was ruthless. Right, I'm not going to go up

599
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: against the man. I didn't have the ponies too yet

600
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 5: until I did, right, and when I revoked my dad's

601
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 5: power of attorney, took control of what was rightfully in mind,

602
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 5: we went up. We were at war with each other, okay,

603
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 5: and I knew every one of his moves, so I

604
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 5: anticipated everything.

605
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: This man wants to go at war with his father

606
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: while he's in a diminished state. Basically his father like,

607
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: he gets older, he falls, he gets injured, he hurts

608
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: his neck, he's in the hospital, and his son's like,

609
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: I'm taking power of attorney Dad.

610
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, the man's not dead yet, he can get you.

611
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: I you know it's he mentioned you mentioned that he

612
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: said earlier about how complicated it is every relationship of

613
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: a parent is complicated.

614
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: We can all say that, yes, but then you.

615
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: Know this guy, My goodness, you've got this this dad

616
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: who will kill? Have you killed? But it's your dad

617
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: and you're tired. It's your name, and it's not even

618
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: like well it's he's like, he's my dad, and I

619
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: just have gone no contact. I just consider him the

620
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: sperm donor No. He you have business dealings, everything, you're.

621
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: All tied together, and he's not saying I'm gonna I'm

622
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: gonna murk you.

623
00:29:59,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

624
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, can we get back to the when your father

625
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: threatened like I had to ask him this something. Can

626
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: we get back to when your father threatened to injury

627
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: in the most gangster cartel way possible. He was like

628
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: skipping past it, like he was like, oh yeah, this happened.

629
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: Like so much of this stuff has occurred to him.

630
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: He doesn't even sometimes won't pause on something that's crazy

631
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: to me the listener.

632
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: But do you mean I think I in no way

633
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: is this of the magnitude. But you know, we every

634
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: single person has stuff that you think is normal in

635
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: your family growing up, and then you mention it to

636
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 3: someone else, someone else, and they look at you and

637
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: just shock.

638
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 4: It gave me that face and you're like, oh, my.

639
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: Grandmother used to play a game with me called bonesy Wonesy,

640
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: and I don't know if it exists other places. You

641
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: make fists and you punch each other's fists and you

642
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: go harder and harder until someone can't take it anymore.

643
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we as teenage boys used to do like.

644
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: An eight year old.

645
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 4: We didn't do that rings Oh god, she's cheating very thin.

646
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, bonesy wones And I loved it, and I would

647
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: just try and keep going as long as I could.

648
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: Are you just in the glutton for punishing?

649
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: I think so? But I thought that was like, yeah,

650
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: that's just what grandmother.

651
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: They don't put you in your place.

652
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: You're five years old, punch it at your grandma's and yeah,

653
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: it's not normals. We found out. I found out that's

654
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: not a classic grandma game. Well that's my version of like, yeah,

655
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: then my dad said he was going to have you

656
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: killed and put into the desert, Like yeah, don't get it.

657
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: I get it, Petron well as I asked.

658
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: Him, because I was like, you know, like, my dad's

659
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: never technically threatened to kill me, so I want to

660
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: know what's it like, right?

661
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: And he told me I.

662
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: Have a recording of it, and I could even send

663
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 5: that to you if you want it.

664
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: I wanted it, Elizabeth. He sent me the recording.

665
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 5: You're kidding and it does in Spanish. He says, if

666
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 5: you cross the border, I will put you in your tomb.

667
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: Elizabeth. He did. He sent me the recording. You want

668
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: to hear it?

669
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: Yes, produce?

670
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: Can we play.

671
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 6: Wonder you're not seeing? If they're going? Said? No, what's tonight?

672
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 6: They're going too say worse? Say so you think you

673
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 6: let me? Stops won and the less say cruises. I

674
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 6: always said that's tools.

675
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: So there it is, right, So I you know Pietro

676
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: the rerecord, he wasn't done, and I asked him a

677
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: little bit more.

678
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: He told me.

679
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: And so at that point, every little tiny bit of

680
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 5: love I may have had for him gone. And then

681
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: when he goes to continuing care, he contracts pneumonia and

682
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 5: I got a call and say he's not going to

683
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 5: make it. So I went to sit by his betside

684
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: and I said, Dad, I hope you can forgive me

685
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 5: for what I've done to you, and I forgive you

686
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 5: for what you've done to me, But to be perfectly candid,

687
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 5: I never forgave.

688
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't believe it heavy though, right, Wow, Yeah,

689
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: this is where the rubber really meets the road, where

690
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: the ridiculous meets the real. He and he Pietro Lagrec

691
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: had told me.

692
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 5: I may have gone through the motions of it because

693
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 5: maybe I need to make the appearance of it. But

694
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 5: in reflecting to that moment, I didn't. And I still

695
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 5: hold resentment and I still haven't let go of it,

696
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 5: and it's part of my process, I guess. But I'm

697
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 5: still holding onto a lot of things that he did

698
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 5: to me. Then I had to fight everything he did wrong.

699
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 5: When I took over my properties and pay tax bills.

700
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 5: He didn't paid to a quarter million dollars worth right

701
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 5: like I had to. And financially, look, I'll be straight

702
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: with you. I'm strapped right now because of the lawsuit,

703
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 5: because of everything that's gone on and all this shit

704
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 5: my dad put me in. Yeah it's not I have

705
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 5: a nice property in Mexico, but it's leveraged to the

706
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 5: hill because oh contract my dad put together, so you know,

707
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 5: and then you just try to get through it. So

708
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 5: hopefully now I can. I can look in the rearview

709
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 5: mirror and hopefully my dad's not in it.

710
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, right that image, hopefully my dad's note. I

711
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: love that, so poetic.

712
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: Now, Luckily for him and for his family, his life

713
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: in La Joya was made more tolerable and fun due

714
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: to the presence of his uncle, the one who was

715
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: wasting the cartoon's money, who was his mother's brother's son

716
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: of his mother's father obviously, so his grandfather's boy.

717
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 5: Now, my uncle and I got really close, right, But

718
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 5: then I found out that my uncle was a party animal.

719
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: He had one mission in life and it was women, drugs, fun, wine, Paulo,

720
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: you name it.

721
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

722
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: So, Elizabeth, this uncle, who nearly put the family at risk,

723
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: was also his savings grace. Nothing is ever easy for

724
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: this kid. I think it's fair to say, you know

725
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: what that's like, shout out Uncle Frank when you have

726
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: an uncle steps Yes, he had an Uncle Frank of

727
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: his own, a man who was there for him and

728
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: when he really needed a man to step up. Plus,

729
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: like a Uncle Frank, he was fun. But unlike Uncle

730
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: Frankie was a little too much fun with cartel's money.

731
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: So there's a line. Uncle Frank is not crossed. I

732
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 4: think he was like, know the line right, stay in

733
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 4: your lane. Fun uncle, anyway, Pietro or he tells me.

734
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 5: The dude was the most fun guy I ever hung

735
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 5: out with my entire life. So I played golf with

736
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 5: my uncle. I played tennis with my uncle, and it

737
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 5: was kind of at my age. It was a little

738
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 5: bit of a vacation. But at the same time knew

739
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 5: there was like darkness looming over right, and you could

740
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 5: feel the tension. We would have called when my grandfather

741
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 5: after we bribed the right people, he was put in

742
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 5: the warden's office instead of a jail celle, so that

743
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 5: warden's office became his office for his work. There was

744
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: a treadmill there, we had food delivered to him, so

745
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: he was he was fully functioning, right, But at the

746
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 5: same time, we couldn't see him, but we had phone

747
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 5: calls with him, probably once a week. And that's when

748
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 5: it got very real because I got to hear those

749
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 5: phone calls.

750
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: Now, the thing about his grandfather and the phone call,

751
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: so he's like basically trying to he's now looking out

752
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: for his uncle, his mother and trying to protect everyone

753
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: from his father and contact his grandfather who's really been

754
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: the only true protector.

755
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 4: In his life. Right.

756
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: So this is where the life of the ridiculous criminal

757
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: and ridiculous crime really really gets real, especially when it's

758
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: your criminally ridiculous father who's in charge of your life

759
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: and the only one is locked up in a Mexican jail,

760
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: right and you want to talk with your grandfather on

761
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: the phone, but again behind bars, and because your dad

762
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: messed up so bad, and Pietro Junior he could hear

763
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: it in his grandfather's voice when the family patriarch was

764
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: in prison, and it's like just painting him, right, because

765
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: he said.

766
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: That was super tough, because ultimately I was the last

767
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 5: person on the call, and I was the last person

768
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 5: on the call because he wanted to hear my joy

769
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 5: and my spirit, what I was doing with his son,

770
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 5: with my uncle, what we were doing playing golf tennis.

771
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 5: He just wanted to know that his son and his

772
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 5: grandson they're okay. They were at least trying to make

773
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 5: the best out of it. And those phone calls I'll

774
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 5: never forget that. I mean, I remember how scary they

775
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: were because he'd asked, when is this going to happen?

776
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: When am I going to get released. What's going on too?

777
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 5: How are you Petito? How are you for Landito? Are

778
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 5: you guys doing okay? So yeah, I know those those

779
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 5: tychnamics were weird, Yeah, weird.

780
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah right, it's understatement.

781
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you seel like it's framing of things, Like it's like,

782
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can relatively wait these things. Yeah,

783
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: he's got so many crazinesses and a child telling yourself

784
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: the story of like what's happening. So then also there's

785
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: his dad was still influencing his life at this point.

786
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: We're kind of skipping around in time because he like

787
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 2: bounces around a little bit when he was telling me things.

788
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 4: So when they were on the.

789
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: Lamb, when his dad was still in his life and

790
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: his grandfather was in prison at this point, yeah, they were.

791
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: They were staying you know, they're saying in the best hotels.

792
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: They're leading a very good life so to speak. Right,

793
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: But that was enough because the family is so worried

794
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: about the real patriarch. So, as Pietro Greca tells me.

795
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: If he got enough pressure from my mom and grandma,

796
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 5: we weren't going to stay at a motel six. We

797
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 5: were going to stay at a nicer place. But then

798
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 5: a couple times he got super freaked out and thought

799
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 5: people were tailing us and would make like three right turns,

800
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: three left turns, and that says, screwed, we're going in

801
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: this motel and staying the night. We'd stay the night

802
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 5: in a random hotel because he thought we needed to

803
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 5: find security somewhere like that. And I said, oh, this

804
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 5: is so weird. We're actually probably better off at more

805
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 5: expensive hotels than at the cheaper ones. I mean, but

806
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 5: he was, he was all over the place. He was

807
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 5: so paranoid.

808
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 4: Poor kid.

809
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, the father supposed to be your

810
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: like source of safety.

811
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 4: Sure, he's the exact opposite. And also he's causing him

812
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: to question even what safety is exactly. No, it's just

813
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 4: kind of crazy to me. But Elizabeth, have you seen

814
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 4: Good Fellows? Do you remember the scene when Henry Hill

815
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 4: aka Ray Liota is staring up at the helicopters in

816
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: the sky and he's driving the car towards the end

817
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: of the movie. Pietro he used that, right, he told

818
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: as an example so I can understand what his life

819
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: was like.

820
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 5: Do you remember the scene of Goodfellas when the helicopter

821
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 5: is kind of chasing the guy. Yeah, and he's always

822
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 5: like freaking out the whole time. That's how my dad

823
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 5: was acting, right, because I think I saw that movie

824
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 5: after that, I'm like, man, that's exactly how sketchy my

825
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 5: dad was, so totally I saw the movie and I

826
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 5: had exactly what he's just the flashbacks, like, that's exactly

827
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 5: how he felt. So that was kind of the dynamic, right,

828
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: and not until and that was glad that you know.

829
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 5: That was six months, right, No, I'm sorry, it was

830
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 5: three and a half months. It was just over the

831
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 5: summer because by my freshman year, I was playing football,

832
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 5: I was back at school. Everything was cool.

833
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: So it see, it goes a little quick.

834
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: He's on the lamb for basically the summer between junior

835
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: high and high school time for a young boy, very

836
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: much so. So I rarely get to ask this question,

837
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: but Elizabeth, I got to ask the question I always

838
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: want to ask, Yeah, which is this what's it like

839
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: when the FBI comes up and asked to talk to

840
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: you about your family?

841
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 3: That's a great question.

842
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 5: By that time, I was working with my grandfather is

843
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 5: about twenty two to twenty three, and I was running

844
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 5: learning how to run the customs house business, which had

845
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 5: three hundred employees. And so when he dies, I take

846
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 5: over because my uncle has to deal with he has

847
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 5: with the Ideano cartel, right and the project he has

848
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 5: to do. So I'm running three hundred person organization doing

849
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 5: a kick ass job of it. And to this day,

850
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 5: very bummed out that we don't have that business. Very

851
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 5: bummed out because I walked down on it there, and

852
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 5: I walked down on it, all right, And I walked

853
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: down on it because the FBI showed up and they

854
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 5: asked me. Well, they showed up and asked me. They said,

855
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: are you Fernando Gucerris. I'm like, no, that's my uncle.

856
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 5: And then I asked, question, is it important? And they

857
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: respond with it's a matter of life or.

858
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 4: Death, a matter of life and death. The FBI has

859
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: come to you and says it's a matter of life

860
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 4: and death. You just know your life is about to change.

861
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 3: So he did, They're not messing around.

862
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it, all right. So what do

863
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: you do when the FBI? You can't lie to when

864
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 4: we cover that, do not lie to the FBI. It's

865
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: a balany. But you also don't have to say everything

866
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: you know, so you can lie by whole mission. That

867
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: is the one area you can still lie.

868
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: So he doesn't tell the FBI everything he knows, but

869
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: he then has to now tell his family what the

870
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: FBI has told him. Oh yeah, but I don't know

871
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: why he does this. He does it on the phone.

872
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 5: So I get on the phone. I call my uncle,

873
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: my unk, you got to show up. And one thing

874
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 5: I did know from movies and things that I had

875
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 5: seen in my life before that if the FBI shows

876
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 5: up and says it's a matter of life or death,

877
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 5: they're warning you that you're going to get killed, all right,

878
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: It's basically. And so that day I walked out of

879
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 5: that building, tears in my eyes, knowing I was never

880
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 5: going to come back and probably never going to see

881
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: my uncle again. And so I walk out, and I

882
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 5: go back to school, go to j C, go to USD,

883
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 5: get my undergrad graduate degree. That all happens, right, But

884
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 5: there was one more day I saw my uncle alive,

885
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 5: and it was at a concert for the Gypsy Kings.

886
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 5: We saw each other, we hugged, we were sitting next

887
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 5: to each other. And then next time was I saw

888
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 5: him on TV with the sheet dripped over his head,

889
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 5: curly hair and blood on the news.

890
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: So there you go. There is our one percentage. O. Man,

891
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: he did Actually the uncle met a gruesome man.

892
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 6: Yeah.

893
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: Oh god, but Elizabeth, you'll never expect this. Yeah, this

894
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 4: is where Sylvester Stallone enters the picture. Oh no, no,

895
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 4: it's not the right reaction to live still, it's not.

896
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 3: Oh no.

897
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: July fourth, nineteen ninety four, and it was after a

898
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 5: celebrity polo match and I got that's when I got

899
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 5: to play with Sylvester Stallone and William Devay, and so

900
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 5: I left that. I went to party with my friends.

901
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 5: He went to another party. On his way back, he

902
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 5: had his massive cornery so because his driver told him

903
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 5: on the drive there. So that was that was That's

904
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: when I knew the family was kind of done, to

905
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: be honest with you, Once we lost my grams, everything

906
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 5: was going to go sideways, and it did.

907
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 4: So yeah.

908
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: So now he's lost his uncle and his grandfather and

909
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: he's stuck with just his father.

910
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: And Sylvester Stillone and Sylvester Stallone.

911
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: Sit, take a little break, and after these messages, I

912
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: will conclude this wild and crazy story.

913
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 3: I love it.

914
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 4: All right, Elizabeth, We're back hello. Now.

915
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: As the sign that your man Kendrick held up in

916
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: the music video for his track Squabble Up Up, it says,

917
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: and I quote Jesus saves gangsters too. But is that true?

918
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: K do Is it true Elizabeth? Because what about gangsters

919
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: like Pietro?

920
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure, I haven't asked you to really invest yourself

921
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 4: in this life.

922
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: You have to want to be safe.

923
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: Let me correct the fact that I haven't asked you

924
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: to really invest in this life yet in this episode.

925
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: So to put you there, let me ask you a question.

926
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: Can you imagine being a kid and having a bodyguard

927
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: who is a former Special Forces soldier?

928
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: I think it'd be pretty cool.

929
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 4: I thought you'd like that.

930
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: So Pietr the gretly Junior told me about how he

931
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 2: had one of these US Special Forces as his personal

932
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: bodyguard because since his dad was in business with heavy

933
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: duty Mexican cartels, that's what you.

934
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 3: Do and it must feel comforting, but at the same

935
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: time to know that you have to have one in general, because.

936
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: The threats against you are such that every day somebody

937
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: might want to kill you just to get back at

938
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: your dad. So it was funny for him how he

939
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: humanized his former bodyguard. He did it the way a

940
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: kid would do it. He was like, he was telling

941
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: me about this one bodyguard who'd loved to like pop

942
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: up out of hiding spots, like he was still in

943
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: the bush, and like, so oh, here's Patroll mcgreca to

944
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: say it.

945
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 5: One of the special forces guy that took care of

946
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 5: us really kind of wanted to happen all right, Like

947
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 5: he was looking, he was hoping something would go down right,

948
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 5: But he would hide in weird ass places, like he

949
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 5: would hide in the trees and then come down right

950
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 5: and they're like, hey, mister le greca, how are you?

951
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: What the But I'll never forget the story with our

952
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 5: maid was always told to take coffee out to the

953
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 5: guys taking care of the house, right, and Gon went

954
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 5: out to go take coffee.

955
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: But Elizabeth, rather than have Petre Lecgreca tell you this story, Elizabeth,

956
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: I'd like you to close your eyes. I'd like you

957
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: to picture it. Elizabeth. It's a work day and you

958
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: are working as a maid for one of Mexico's most

959
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 2: powerful money launderers, for the cartels. But you never see

960
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: the crime side of things. Only the family and the

961
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: former military officers hired to protect the family. Today, you're

962
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 2: doing a kindness in bringing a pot of fresh hot

963
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: coffee out to the security. You cross the back patio,

964
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: walking across Spanish tile.

965
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: But there's one of the.

966
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: Security, former US Special Forces, who always loves to surprise you. However,

967
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: you know this, so you're on guard, walking carefully, tentively

968
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: with the fresh hot pot of coffee, although you do

969
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 2: hum a bit of a tune to yourself. When you

970
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: get to the area where there's a circular glass table.

971
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: You look around, expecting him to pop out, but the

972
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: expected security is not there, not waiting for you.

973
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 4: He's gone.

974
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: Perhaps the family called him away. Perhaps there's a business,

975
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: urgent business. You look around again. Oh well, you decide

976
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: to set down the pot of fresh hot coffee, and

977
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: that's when you hear it. The US Special Forces guy

978
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: pops up out of a trash can, one of those

979
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 2: big green ones for yard way. You were more than startled,

980
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: You were absolutely scared of the soldier popping up into view.

981
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: You dropped the pot of fresh coffee. You run back

982
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: into the house. You don't get paid nearly enough for

983
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: these sort of high jinks and this near heart attacks

984
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 2: like that.

985
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: So there you go, Elizabeth, what.

986
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: Is wrong with this man?

987
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 5: You know?

988
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: Right, he's just so boring exact leaping off the roof,

989
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: coming out of a great So I got to admit,

990
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: Pietr the Greca is right, that is kind of fun

991
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: to imagine, like not for you, not for Porkinsula, but

992
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: for the rest of us. Comedy gold now as Petr

993
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: the Greca told.

994
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 5: It, and that story lives in my mind forever because

995
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 5: she never went out to give him coffee up for

996
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 5: a kid because she was so freaked out. But some

997
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 5: of them more crazy man like crazy crazy, looking for

998
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 5: a fight, trigger happy, all that stuff for real, right,

999
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 5: So I would say these guys are also really good guys.

1000
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: Were they though, Well, you think, who's going to take

1001
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: this gig?

1002
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 2: Yes, yea, you you're working for a dirty money launderer,

1003
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: you know it. And you're just like, I don't care,

1004
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: I don't mind getting shot for this. I'm getting paid,

1005
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, You're like, anyway, I'm sure they are good

1006
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: guys in a certain sense.

1007
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to like morally judge them exactly, but

1008
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 4: that is side those same good guys are also how

1009
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: the FBI comes back into this story.

1010
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 5: One of them introduced my dad to the FBI because

1011
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 5: he had used to work with the FBI, and the

1012
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 5: FBI wanted to do a sting operation at my dad's

1013
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 5: foreign exchange. So when I tell you my dad was

1014
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 5: in the good graces that the FBI and he was,

1015
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 5: he was, and it's because he always wanted to be

1016
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 5: pro American. Again back to when I started the story

1017
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 5: the tanks rolling in, right, he was still very prideful

1018
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 5: that America saved his.

1019
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: Country too, Elizabeth, did you notice that not only did

1020
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: like the security he hired eventually snitch him out to

1021
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: the FBI and connect him, did you also notice how

1022
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 2: he made snitching to the FBI, or at least cooperating

1023
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: with the FBI, into a heroic and patriotic effort, Like, oh,

1024
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: he loved it with the tanks and all that he's

1025
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: snitching on cartel people doing it Like I'm sorry whatever.

1026
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 3: I thought it was kind of funny.

1027
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: Like Jayeger Hoover would definitely approve of this junior g man.

1028
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: But I was I tease, all right, I digress. It

1029
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: was just like all right, I mean, eat your dad.

1030
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: We all understand he's morally conflicted, but it's not like, Oh,

1031
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: the FBI.

1032
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 4: Thought he was a hero.

1033
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: Right anyway, this last is the last thing that Pietro

1034
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: that Goreca Junior told me about his mother, his grandmother

1035
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: and the consistent touchdoones in his wild young life.

1036
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: And I was really.

1037
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: Surprised by how he was able to make a bucket

1038
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: of Kentucky fried chicken into one of the most loving

1039
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: things I've heard in a long minute, which also just

1040
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: goes to show you never really know the value of

1041
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 2: a bucket of fried.

1042
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 4: Chicken, right, I mean, it's so true, is it me?

1043
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 4: It's true?

1044
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 2: Right?

1045
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1046
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: Hey, God bless fried chicken.

1047
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: Fried chicken is a loveling.

1048
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 3: It's the best.

1049
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: It's me right in the field. Anyway, Pietro Loreca hit it.

1050
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 5: There was a moment I went to Tijuana to go

1051
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 5: get my share of my inheritance from my grandma because

1052
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 5: she was diving it up. But since my mom was dying,

1053
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 5: I was getting it, not her. So it was a

1054
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 5: tough day. My grandma and mom weren't talking. My grandma

1055
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 5: didn't really realize that my mom was dying dying. She

1056
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 5: thought she was sick. And so when I talked to

1057
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 5: my grandma and she was handing me over the property

1058
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 5: because she was fearful my dad more than anything. Right,

1059
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 5: And I come back and my mom basically has a

1060
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 5: thing of Kentucky fried chicken waiting for me, but she

1061
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 5: hear cancer had spread to her brain, so she wasn't

1062
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 5: really too clear, right, and she was just prideful that

1063
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 5: she was feeding me because that's what she did. That

1064
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 5: was her love lang which she would make me food.

1065
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 5: So for her, putting just at that point the chicken

1066
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 5: on the plate and giving it to me was her

1067
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 5: way of being a mom before she died.

1068
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1069
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 4: Right, but it's kind of sad. It was really beautiful,

1070
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: thank you.

1071
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: Right.

1072
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, this is the exact moment when his father decides

1073
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: to go full Pietro and he ruins this moment between

1074
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: mother and son.

1075
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 5: And for some odd reason, my dad loses it on me, right,

1076
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 5: and my mom has a moment of clarity and absolutely

1077
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 5: goes off on my dad, tells him how much she

1078
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 5: hated him, what an evil person he was, that he

1079
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 5: caused her cancer, all of it. She unleashed on it

1080
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 5: and let it all out on the table. And I

1081
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 5: think it was her way of just saying, I gotta

1082
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 5: let it out before I die, and she did because

1083
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 5: two days later I thought that was like a moment

1084
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 5: of clarity for her and maybe she was coming back,

1085
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 5: but it was the moment of clarity she needed to

1086
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: give her a peace before she died.

1087
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: Two days before she dies, she did. She just that's

1088
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: the bucket of chicken moment and that's when she goes.

1089
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: Off of Yeah, good for her.

1090
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they can call it terminal lucidity.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the experience.

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Speaker 4: So back to Petro Logreca.

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Speaker 5: And that's what he had to live with and he

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00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 5: couldn't handle it broke him. From that point on, he

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00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 5: thought that his wife and his and his son to

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Speaker 5: a certain extent, loved him, and in that moment he

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00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 5: knew that our love for him was all BS and

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Speaker 5: that we were just playing kind of a shell game.

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Speaker 5: And so that moment, that was his reckoning and it

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Speaker 5: was my mom's way to go to heaven wherever without

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Speaker 5: that honor conscious loved. I was cheering behind her. I

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Speaker 5: was like, yes, I was so happy she had that opportunity,

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Speaker 5: as happy as as happy as a son could be,

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Speaker 5: as happy as a son could be. I mean that

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Speaker 5: was everything for me.

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Speaker 2: You do have to love when a long suffering woman

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Speaker 2: gets to have her moment like that and speak her heart,

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Speaker 2: her mind and just say what's in her soul?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's a it's he he needed that, he

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Speaker 3: needed to be brought low by that because like it's

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Speaker 3: just like when he was taking people down without killing

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Speaker 3: them like pain, like and in that that you know.

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Speaker 2: There are worse things than death. Yeah, it's like the

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Speaker 2: cinematic moment, right, because in this case it's one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent real. And Pietro Junior he gets to fully savor

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Speaker 2: the moment for his mother, so it's like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: just a really nice moment. And as he told me,

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Speaker 2: her legacy inspires him to this day to be the

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Speaker 2: parent he is, to be as loving as president he

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Speaker 2: is with his daughter, which is so obviously the polar

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Speaker 2: opposite of his father.

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Speaker 5: Well, I have one kid. My daughters is ten years old.

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Speaker 5: Her name is Gabriela Mariaca Maria because of her grandma,

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Speaker 5: and she never got to meet her, neither did my wife. Right,

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Speaker 5: But I tell her that her granddad was a bad guy,

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Speaker 5: that I loved him, but I didn't like him. I

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 5: didn't like what he stood for. I didn't like certain

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Speaker 5: things about his life, but that he did provide for

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Speaker 5: me the things that I needed, and that ultimately we

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00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 5: didn't see eye and I. And that's one thing I

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00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 5: tell her this, I'd never want that between you and me.

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00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 5: I want you and I to have open lines of communication.

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00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 5: I want you to be able to tell your dad

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Speaker 5: that you're mad at him and me not fly off

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00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 5: the handle or me be mad at you and not

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00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 5: have to break out a belt or have to hit you.

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Speaker 5: And I don't. I won't touch my daughter like that.

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Speaker 5: That's that's just doesn't happen, right. I gave her a

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00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 5: slap on the booty one time, I cried for a

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Speaker 5: night and never did it again. So I'm very candid

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Speaker 5: with her on who her grandfather was. But I'm also

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00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 5: very candid on who her grandmother was. And if I

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00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 5: could show you a picture right now, they're identical.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that nice?

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Speaker 3: Wow? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: For a final word on who he is, whose father was,

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00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: how his family lived through all this, and how it

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00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: inspired him to become a better man.

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Speaker 4: Pietro Legrecor. He tells me, I don't have a job

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 5: If anything that I want to do in this world

1152
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 5: is to spell that I am very much not my

1153
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 5: father and really tell that story and say, hey, I'm

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00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 5: nothing like this man, like, let's see what happens. Let me,

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00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 5: let's go for it. And we went for it, and

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00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 5: that's how it came about. I don't want to say

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00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 5: like I had a monumental epiphany to do it, but.

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Speaker 4: He did in my opinion, right, I mean you can

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00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 4: hear it. Oh yeah, there's the story of the Pietro

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00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 4: and his mother Maria, the family, the uncle, the grandfather,

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00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 4: the whole bit. Elizabeth, what is our ridiculous takeaway here?

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Speaker 3: I think it's it should always be understood that the

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00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: stories that we tell here are in general of characters

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00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: and so and I've said this before. I think I

1165
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: said it on the air Rage one, that we're capturing

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00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 3: like people's stupidest decisions.

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00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 4: Some of their worst moments, and sometimes they.

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00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: Do these these bad decisions over and over and over

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00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: again and their life. But what we're talking about is

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00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: the character like this like caricature of a person. And

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00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 3: I think it's good for us to remind ourselves but

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00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 3: also know that we always have to understand that there

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00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 3: are far more complex human beings behind the silly stories.

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00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 3: That we tell. And so here I think about had

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Speaker 3: you not interviewed him, and had we just told his

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00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: father's story straight up, how different that would be exactly.

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00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: But it's the same story exactly, And so we had,

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00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: you know. Every now and then we get communications from

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00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: listeners who maybe have a knowledge of our relationship to

1180
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 3: who we're taught, who we have talked about, and they

1181
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: get upset and it's like, I get that, But at

1182
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: the same time, A, this is entertainment. B. We are

1183
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: telling a caricature of that. And I think that we

1184
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: all need to we all understand it, but we need

1185
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: to kind of reaffirm it. And this does it. This

1186
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: interview does it where you see the complexity behind the scenes.

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00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: Every human being is complex, as Walt Whitman said, I

1188
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: contain multitudes totally, And so you know, it's it's a

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00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: good reminder, but then also to have it done so

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00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: beautifully like Pietro Junior an incredible storyteller and a resilient,

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00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: wonderful human being. And I I want him to have

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Speaker 3: all the good things, you know what I mean, And

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00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: he's tasted the good things from ill gotten gains, but

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: he's also tasted the good things from purity of heart

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00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 3: of you know, having that love for his daughter. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I thank you is my takeaway to you for for

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Speaker 3: hooking this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you this amazing. Go check his podcast, Go buy

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Speaker 2: his book. I mean go check it all out. It's

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00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: a fantastic story. He's a great storyteller.

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Speaker 4: And uh, I like that.

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Speaker 2: He reminded me that we use ridiculous as a modifier

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Speaker 2: for crime, but we're telling crime stories.

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00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: Yes, we're not ridiculous people like they're ridiculous crimes. The

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00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: crimes are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so without a side, thank you for asking my

1207
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 4: ridiculous takeaway is Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: All right, what is it?

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this. Do you want to hear a talkback?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay, can you favor us with a talkbag? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I get hey, Elizabeth Zaren, producer Dean Interns. So I

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Speaker 3: do pole sport and dance, but recently suffered a knee

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Speaker 3: But I think y'all might like to know that the

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Speaker 3: first thing I did after hurting myself was getting me

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Speaker 3: to meet me at sloth Shirt still got to represent

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can actually be like a trainer if you'd

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Speaker 2: like to slats to teach the other girls how to

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Speaker 2: lay down better to.

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Speaker 3: Stay stiller exactly, how to how to establish a full

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Speaker 3: cozy zone. I love a good cozy zone.

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Speaker 4: Lord knows it well as always.

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Speaker 2: You can find us online a Ridiculous Crime on the

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Speaker 2: social media's and we have our website, ridiculous Crime dot com.

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Speaker 2: It has been recently I think a nominated for a

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Speaker 2: Golden Globe and a Golden Globe excellent.

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Speaker 4: I'm very excited. I hope we beat Timothy Shallama.

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Speaker 3: Yes with a golden Globe.

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Speaker 4: In the park. Because obviously we love your talkback. So

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Speaker 4: If you do, please start the email dear producer Dee,

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Speaker 4: and thank you for listening. We will catch you next crime.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnette,

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Speaker 2: produced and edited by Mexico's most notorious money tailor, a

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