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Speaker 1: You're listening to official Jets podcast, Eric Hallen here in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine, we are taping with Tom Pellis Serro,

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Speaker 1: NFL Network insider. Of course, free agency around the corner,

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Speaker 1: even though prospects are talking adjacent to us right now

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Speaker 1: for the draft a couple months away. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about the Jets landscape here in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four offseason compared to what they faced last year?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously, at this time a year ago,

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Speaker 2: we're still talking about is the Aaron Rodgers trade going

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Speaker 2: to get done? And how's that entire thing going to

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Speaker 2: play out? And that went all the way up until

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Speaker 2: what the Monday of Draft week, Tuesday and Draft weeks,

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Speaker 2: so there's a long, long process that went into it.

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Speaker 2: So I think that the you know, the biggest change

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Speaker 2: probably in the landscape is just you have a little

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Speaker 2: bit more certainty about the most important position. But also

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Speaker 2: you got a chance to watch your team last year

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Speaker 2: and probably found out a few things that to give

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and the best chance to succeed in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, you need to update. You know, everyone's gonna

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Speaker 2: point at the offensive line. That's certainly a big part

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Speaker 2: of it. I know they would have liked to draft

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Speaker 2: an offensive lineman last year up high, but they had

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Speaker 2: to include that pickswap to go and get Rogers, and

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Speaker 2: so that was that impacted it. This is a really

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Speaker 2: good offensive tackle draft from what our draft expert Dane

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Speaker 2: to Jeremiah, who's watched one hundred percent more tape than

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Speaker 2: I have, continues to tell me here. So you know,

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Speaker 2: you got to fortify that position. I think you also

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Speaker 2: look at the wide receiver group and say that, you know,

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Speaker 2: he gave money to Allan Lazard last year. He's a

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Speaker 2: you know, Rogers guy. I mean, Lazar was a healthy

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Speaker 2: scratch at various points in the season. So you know,

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Speaker 2: you're trying to figure that out. They probably need to

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Speaker 2: add one more wide receiver. It's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 2: of talk about DeVante Adams the Raiders, certainly. I know

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Speaker 2: Tom Telesco said the other day. My understanding has been

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Speaker 2: they are not predisposed to trade him. Everybody, almost everybody

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Speaker 2: NFL is available at a certain price. But what it

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Speaker 2: would take to go and get DeVante Adams coming off

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Speaker 2: in his career, with really one year left on his

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Speaker 2: contract at a number that you could stomach. You know,

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Speaker 2: there is a limit on that. I'm not sitting there

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Speaker 2: as much as the Jets. You have to be all

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Speaker 2: in when you have Aaron Rodgers. I'm not trading a

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Speaker 2: first round pick to compel the Raiders to trade DeVante Adams.

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Speaker 2: So I think that they will look at heavily at that.

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Speaker 2: In free agency, the prices are going to be high,

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Speaker 2: as they always are on those top guys. But I

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Speaker 2: think those two spots are probably you know, at the

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Speaker 2: In addition to the backup quarterback, which is obviously a

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Speaker 1: Place you just touched upon Adams. Do you anticipate the

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Speaker 1: Vikings fielding offers for Justin Jefferson as well.

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Speaker 2: No, that would totally shock me, you know, Quasia Dolfo Mensa.

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Speaker 2: One of the first comments he made after becoming the

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Speaker 2: a team that doesn't have just and Jefferson. So he

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Speaker 2: kind of you know he made that really close, and listen,

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Speaker 2: they made a strong run at Justin Jefferson getting a

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Speaker 2: the highest paid receiver in the NFL, but the structure

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Speaker 2: wasn't exactly what Jefferson wanted. It wasn't the perfect offer.

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Speaker 2: Now the salary CAP's gone up, it's gotten that much

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Speaker 2: more expensive. Now he's not coming off his best year.

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Speaker 2: He's still put up ridiculous numbers in the number of

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Speaker 2: impact what his market value is. But I don't really

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Speaker 2: anticipate the Vikings doing anything other than trying to sign

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Speaker 2: that things have not really ramped up on that fray yet,

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Speaker 2: people could say whatever they want about Kirk Cousins, who,

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Speaker 2: by the way, last time he was a free agent,

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Speaker 2: got offered more money by the Jets than he did

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Speaker 2: by the Vikings and ended up choosing Minnesota. But Cousins

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Speaker 2: pumps to Paul to Jefferson. Yeah, he gets a ton

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Speaker 2: get it. Those who have a good relationship, they're different dudes,

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Speaker 2: but they're both generally like positive types of individuals. They're

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Speaker 2: got designs. I mean, he's talked to me about it

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Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell told me he challenged Jefferson is like, the

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Speaker 2: you do it again and again and again. Well, if

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Speaker 2: again and again and again. Kirk's done that. If it's

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Speaker 2: it's Sam Darnold and we're drafting JJ McCarthy. Do I

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Speaker 2: he's such a good I shouldn't say kid, he's in

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Speaker 2: He's a good young man that I like. I'm a

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Speaker 1: Oh, I got so many connections here though. And nobody

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Speaker 1: knows the Vikings better than you. But you mentioned Cousins before,

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Speaker 1: and the Jets pursuit of him back in the day, I.

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Speaker 2: Want to say they offered him like three years for

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Speaker 1: That happened and he chose the Green and White, then

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers would not be a Jet, but Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: I mean there's so many different I mean, think of

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Speaker 2: the Vikings might just go with Keenum again on a

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Speaker 2: why you know they have conversations here with other gms.

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Speaker 1: What is this going to look like for Joe Douglas

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Speaker 2: There's always a number of offensive linemen, and nothing against

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Speaker 2: Why because there aren't good enough ones. So then when

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Speaker 2: All which is to say it's such a priority and

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Speaker 2: they need to keep airon upright, I would think that

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Speaker 1: We mentioned justin Jefferson, we talked about Devonte Adams T.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the franchise tag obviously is a

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Speaker 2: when they went to that number, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: linebacker tag is actually a great tool. The wide receiver

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Speaker 2: I mean go back to I hate I feel like

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Speaker 1: Bit more Kelvin Ridley is an interesting name to watch otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so uh before I.

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Speaker 1: Get you an immaculate grid here, Yeah, I'm terrible at this.

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Speaker 1: But Bryce Huff, Joe Douglas told reporters yesterday here at

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Speaker 1: With that being said, discussions continue. What kind of market's

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Speaker 2: For It's gonna be a great market for him, because

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Speaker 2: I thought maybe Bryce Huff was getting traded just because

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Speaker 2: it's exactly? I think it's going to be a really

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Speaker 1: All right, So Tom Pelisero, you're up on the immaculate

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Speaker 1: grid wide receiver category, offensive line category, and then a question.

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Speaker 1: You can go anywhere you want and you can address

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Speaker 2: So I'm top yeah, top choices. Yeah, okay, so I'm

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Speaker 2: just writing who will be a wide receiver? They can

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Speaker 2: sign an offensive lineman or then and then a mystery candidate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's think on this first, Hey, to put you

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Speaker 2: on the spot, No you no, you have to go.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm in my head. I'm just thinking, who

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Speaker 1: Go tenth overall selection in the draft could go up too,

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Speaker 1: But I can do free agents too, Oh yeah, of

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Speaker 1: course raids? Yes, yeah, okay, all the time.

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Speaker 2: I know, but now I'm thinking through my head what

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Speaker 2: oh man, this is good. I just mean, it's a

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Speaker 2: lot of moving parts. Okay, let's I'm gonna start out

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Speaker 2: by giving him a backup quarterback. Like that backup quarterback

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Speaker 2: is going to be let's call it just because names

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Speaker 2: in my head case Keenum, case kem all right, case Keenum.

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Speaker 2: He's still in the contract with the Texans. But let's

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Speaker 2: in that, I'll go with Fuaga, all right. It's the

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Speaker 2: of sense. He's saw him the Senior Bowl. He's a

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Speaker 2: big dude, all right, and wide receiver. I don't know this.

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, I don't know this. All right,

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Speaker 2: We'll go Kevin Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley sign and Dated Wall all right, you gotta

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Speaker 1: go here. Andrew Howards waiting for twenty nine, waiting for you.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's great stuff. We'll see in Orlando.

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