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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh These are some of our favorite segments

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Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment

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Speaker 1: last stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is

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Speaker 1: the Weekly Zeitgeist. Really. First, we're gonna tell our listeners

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Speaker 1: a few of the things we're talking about. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: pick our rewatch movie for the weekend. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about ESPN's plan to do the Last Dance but White.

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Speaker 1: Uh so, the last bad Bad Dancer Bad, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: the last the last awkward two steps, the last Cotton

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Speaker 1: Night Joe Dude. But then that song given to us

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Speaker 1: by Australians, right really yeah Rednecks is like not even American,

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Speaker 1: They're like, I think from It's something like really Sweden, Swedish. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that. I listened to Cotton Eye Joe on

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Speaker 1: my walks. I loved that song. I remember the Jock

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Speaker 1: Jams it was on, and I bought the Jock Jams

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Speaker 1: it was on just to get that song on My

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Speaker 1: quarantine walk playlists are both Cotton Ey Joe and the Macarena.

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Speaker 1: That's actually the whole playlist. Yeah, my son just discovered

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Speaker 1: the macarena and I rediscovered it, and that song still

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Speaker 1: still goes at I hate to just sort of derail this,

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Speaker 1: but aren't the lyrics. If it hadn't been for Cotton

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Speaker 1: Eyed Joe, I'd be married a long time ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's like this whole story behind the story that we

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Speaker 1: just don't know. Cottony Joe stole your girl, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's why he keeps asking where he came from, him

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Speaker 1: where he went because because girls, yeah killed cotton Night.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's based on Hey Joe, which is a

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Speaker 1: song about killing somebody for infidelity. So yeah, but it's

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Speaker 1: kind of the sort of love rednecks because somehow, like

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Speaker 1: Swedes are being racist against rednecks even in their portrayal

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Speaker 1: of their own group, because like the video is, it's

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Speaker 1: like a mix between that Capital one commercials idea of

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Speaker 1: what like a raider barbarian person was and like whatever

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Speaker 1: ship you can pull together like a Swedish fucking thrift

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Speaker 1: store to look like like redneck guy? Oh man, do

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Speaker 1: you think it looks like medieval times? For European people

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Speaker 1: who want to know what being in like Appalachia's it

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Speaker 1: feels like it feels like you could put in cotton

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Speaker 1: eight Joe over that final scene of Midsummer and a

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Speaker 1: lot a lot of ship get on YouTube, put that

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Speaker 1: on TikTok, y'all. Yeah, that's what the TikTok teens. What

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Speaker 1: if something you think is overrated? Okay, this one, I'm

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Speaker 1: excited about motion. I'm done with lotion. We're oiling only

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Speaker 1: only oil. Wait, wait, unpacked, because I take I I

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Speaker 1: think of all the people in the world, I take

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Speaker 1: your skin care advice the most seriously, So please unpack this. Okay. So,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all have been noticing, but there

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Speaker 1: is now body oils, face oils, honey. I'm all about

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Speaker 1: those oils. Oil up every day. There you go. So

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Speaker 1: you could rub that and then just keep the neck

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Speaker 1: with it, expel it from your pores and then just uney. Yes,

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Speaker 1: real oil. But no, I don't know why, Like I

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Speaker 1: just feel like a cream isn't as satisfying. But now

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Speaker 1: that there's body oils, honey, you look like j Lo,

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Speaker 1: Like you really do look like j Lo from like

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Speaker 1: the Jenny from the Block video. Like I'm just like, damn,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking like j Lo. I'm eating like I'm in Tuscany.

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Speaker 1: I live in my best damn core live, so I

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Speaker 1: come on her worst day. I would. I would take that, right,

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Speaker 1: I think we all would. I started using coconut oil

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Speaker 1: because I have to cut my hair so low on

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Speaker 1: my head, my scalp gets really dry. So I started

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Speaker 1: using I got into the oils through coconut oil, and

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Speaker 1: I started that would help keep my scalp moisturized. And

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Speaker 1: then I was like fuck it, Like my my I'm

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Speaker 1: always quite ashy living in this dry climate. And I

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Speaker 1: started using coconut oil here and there. But I don't

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Speaker 1: is that is that good? Is that fine? Coconut oil

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Speaker 1: isn't oil? That's what I'm talking about. You could bring

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Speaker 1: that oil miles head to tell you could oil up

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Speaker 1: the arms, oil the feet, oil the legs. Secondary concern,

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Speaker 1: how do I how much time doing need before I

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Speaker 1: put on clothes so it doesn't look like I had

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Speaker 1: a bag of French fries spilled all over my clothes.

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Speaker 1: You know that's your own personal preference, because that is

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Speaker 1: a mood transparent. We call that nude minutes. When Cameron

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Speaker 1: is Bosito came on Matchbute, she was like, I do

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Speaker 1: do my body oil routine or what, and then I

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Speaker 1: have my nude minutes and then I put on my clothes. Ah,

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Speaker 1: and that helps any kind of staining or damage from

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Speaker 1: the oils. Yes, that's all I need to know, because

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Speaker 1: like my jeans would never know. But there are other times.

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Speaker 1: My regular moisturizer has been making me break out lately too.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why, but well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: my myth might help that. Okay, what's the myth? Seamless? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I didn't even plan that. So the myth

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Speaker 1: is you don't need sunscreen if you don't go outside,

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Speaker 1: so during quarantine, you don't need to be doing sunscreen.

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Speaker 1: That is wrong, honey. The sun is getting us through

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Speaker 1: the windows and it is making it's making all our

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Speaker 1: skin look like shit. I mean, I was like, why

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Speaker 1: not wearing makeup, and it's because I wasn't doing sunscreen

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Speaker 1: and all these damn windows in this sunny con though

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Speaker 1: we're fucking up my skin, and so none of you

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Speaker 1: are safe. None of you are safe. Okay, sunscreen every day,

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Speaker 1: even if you're in quarantine and you're staying in your

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Speaker 1: damn house. You got a sunscreen up because the sun

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Speaker 1: is getting us. What's the way? So what do you

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Speaker 1: mean just from not having protection when you say I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine how your skin would ever look like quote

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Speaker 1: unquote shit, But what do you mean by that? Like,

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Speaker 1: what were you noticing that you're like something? Okay? I

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Speaker 1: was starting to get discoloration, meaning like dark spots, and

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Speaker 1: then Ben was like, hey, you look tan, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's not tan, it's just like darkness. Like my face

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Speaker 1: was starting to get sort of discoloration and my skin

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Speaker 1: tone was getting on even and then I noticed, you know,

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Speaker 1: bless his little Jewish heart, he started getting red neck.

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Speaker 1: He started getting sun from just being in the house.

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Speaker 1: So we all need to be wearing sunscreen, is what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Just because you're not going outside, you need

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Speaker 1: sunscreen everybody. You hear me and Jamie, if you're having

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Speaker 1: some issues, it might be because of the sun. The sun.

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Speaker 1: The sun is still public enemy number one, still public

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Speaker 1: enemy radiation. That it giveth and it taketh. I was

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Speaker 1: under telling you, like my skin has been on a

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Speaker 1: wild journey since quarantine started. There have been weeks that

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Speaker 1: drinking this much water before, and then this week was

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Speaker 1: just a plummet for reasons unclear to me. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: the song. I'm telling you. If you spend any time

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Speaker 1: He's out to get us. Helios. I'm telling you, well,

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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat

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Speaker 1: by the brilliant and hilarious Jason Pargeon a K. David Wong. Jason,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Gotta ask you a question. Has

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Speaker 1: been the weirdest year of your lives? Mm hmm, not

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Speaker 1: the worst, the weirdest. It's been the weirdest year of mine,

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Speaker 1: But I realize I have led a less weird life

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Speaker 1: than some people. I'm trying to think it's definitely up there.

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Speaker 1: It's top three because it's not just the pandemic. It's

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Speaker 1: that the pandemic had to come with Donald Trump as

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Speaker 1: president in an election year like I don't know. Two

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Speaker 1: weeks after the US military announced that aliens were harassing

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Speaker 1: their fighter jets, and well, just we all just blew

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Speaker 1: that's it's pretty well. It's also I did have to

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Speaker 1: to that, that strange weather phenomenon follows you around the country.

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't shocked. I'm not gonna blame it all

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Speaker 1: part of the country where spontaneous inland hurricanes form. No, No,

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Speaker 1: I have moved since then. The freak weather event that

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Speaker 1: So this was twice in the last decade that the

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Speaker 1: right as Jason Pargeon was about to do something important

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Speaker 1: on the internet. Yes, yeah, I I feel like I

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Speaker 1: Like I still think of like how I thought, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like getting out of college, like this whole idea of like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: with a history degree, I think. But it's yeah, this

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Speaker 1: on paper, like as you say, when you tick the boxes,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we let it. We just let that

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Speaker 1: shocking how many gigantic stories have just completely flown under

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Speaker 1: the radar, even in the past couple of weeks, where

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Speaker 1: it's just like, yep, that's bad, that's scary, but I

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Speaker 1: just don't have the headspace for it at this time.

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Speaker 1: Like we'll get back to aliens harassing the military. It's

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Speaker 1: so funny because I spent the entire nineties like watching

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Speaker 1: the X Files, and the entire premise was that aliens

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Speaker 1: are out there, but that the government is like desperately

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Speaker 1: Department of Defense, like yeah, just letting everybody know there's

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Speaker 1: some sort of Uh, I don't know, interdimensional beings or

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Speaker 1: something that's harassing or fight are aircraft if you know

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Speaker 1: something about it, if you know what planet they're from,

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Speaker 1: let us know. And yeah, the public is like oh yeah, right, sure,

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Speaker 1: Like this is what you've been waiting on your whole life. Yeah, demanding,

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Speaker 1: like the Area fifty one files, it's like, no, here

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Speaker 1: they are where, Yeah they're they're like that video of

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Speaker 1: that tic tac. That's all you need to be like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, we're someone either they're real or

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Speaker 1: somebody knows way too much and we're stupid as fun

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Speaker 1: and we're way behind. Jason. Have you read the debunking

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Speaker 1: to be a very specific answer for a very specific

424
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: like area because and I mean I'm sure even business

425
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: to business like it has to do with like which

426
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: small businesses are prioritizing worker safety and which aren't, and like,

427
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: how can you get them to honestly communicate that with you?

428
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: And like what you like? Oh you said, are like

429
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: are you in a hot spot where there's a good

430
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: chance that people have it? But even if you look

431
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: it up and I say, okay, Nashville has I don't

432
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: know how many thousand cases, but if the if I

433
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: then find out that eight episode of those are in

434
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: nursing homes or in some town you look on the

435
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: map and it's got an outbreak, but you find out

436
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: that apt break was entirely in a meat packing plan.

437
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: So okay, if I'm out in the suburbs and I'm

438
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: going to uh Mastercuts or whatever the haircutting chain is

439
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: golled to get my haircut, does that you know? And

440
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: it's funny because we look back on people in old

441
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: timey days when they didn't know anything about disease and

442
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: they thought that like bad humors in the blood cause sickness.

443
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: But we're finding out right now. Yeah, when it comes

444
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: down down to like how germs are transmitted, we still

445
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: don't know anything the average person, I mean, like the

446
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: the common everyday knowledge in terms of how people shocked

447
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: to find out how long you have to wash your

448
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: hands to actually get the germs off them. You know,

449
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: that's something that feels like we should have all learned

450
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: in kindergarten. But it's like, oh no, if you're actually

451
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: trying to kill germs, you've got to wash for a

452
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: really long time. And if you you know, rewind by

453
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: a year and just watch people washing their hands and

454
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: say a men's restroom, and what percentage actually we're disinfecting

455
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: their hands, I'm going to guess us right around zero. Yeah,

456
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: it's like and also we have the terrible example of

457
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: films that are in media or just like just let

458
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: me splash a little water on my hand and then

459
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: it's just technically the technicality of getting them wet. He's washing.

460
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people to like, if

461
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: you're not really like aware of all of the risks

462
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: and things, you'd be like, well, you just have to

463
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: nonerally just wash your hands, you know when you go

464
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: to the bathroom or something like that. It's like when

465
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: I walk through a store, like, why am I gonna

466
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: wash my aunt? No, Like there's not Peter Pooh, there's

467
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: what like where people I've like I've even found myself.

468
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: You when Jackie when she came on and we were

469
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: talking about her opening the my third eye to the

470
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: length of hand washing, you just sort of like how limited,

471
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, like what the risks were that were real

472
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: to me? And it just takes a second for you

473
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: to like open yourself and be like, oh, yeah, that

474
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: is a vulnerability. And I wonder if that's just the

475
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: thing too. We talk about people just sort of rejecting

476
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: this feeling that they could be at risk, and that's

477
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: how they sort of reassert their feeling of like virility

478
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: or feeling alive is by being out there with no mask.

479
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen there's been some signs at least popping

480
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: up in Massachusetts. I haven't seen them near where I live,

481
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: but signs in the front of businesses that say do

482
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: not wear gloves while you're in here. Um those two yeah.

483
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: I had my weekly family update call. In across Massachusetts

484
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: at least there are signs that say don't wear gloves

485
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: in here. Wear your masks, but don't wear gloves because

486
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: like your gloves will just bring in the germs from

487
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: the place you just were. There's no point in wearing

488
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: them and like you're not changing them every time, Like yeah,

489
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: they're like just sanitize your hands before coming in and

490
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: after you leave. That's way like more helpful to yourself

491
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: and other people than wearing gloves from store to store

492
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: to store, because then you're just spreading germs, right, It's

493
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: almost like you guys have to deal with the germs.

494
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm just keeping them off my hands. But like I

495
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: don't get these hand condoms that I fucked the town

496
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 1: with and I never change them. It turns out gloves

497
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: in the store is uh selfish approach, or at least

498
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: that's the tech Massachusetts is taking. Well, it makes sense

499
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: because I see like unless you see people. I've seen

500
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: people who clearly discarding their gloves, like medical professionals, like

501
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: with the right technique and discarding them when they eve

502
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: a store or whatever or about to enter. But then,

503
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: like you're saying, too, there are a lot of people

504
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: who are like the one pair of gloves gang, just

505
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: like I don't want to wash my hands because I

506
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: wear these gloves and it's like them realistically, I don't

507
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: have access to that many gloves, so I don't So

508
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, just sanitize your hands. I'm fine enough

509
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: knowing that the hand washing is is sufficient that I

510
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: don't have to wear a glove in anywhere as long

511
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: as I'm not touching my face or anything. Afterwards, I

512
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: guess something that didn't occur to me until Jack brought

513
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: up like the way we see handwashing and pop culture.

514
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm now thinking about all of the funny germophobe characters

515
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: like Monk and what was the Jack Nicholson movie where

516
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: he plays as it gets Yeah, and now I wonder

517
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: if I went back and watched them. I'm not even

518
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: sure that Jack Nicholson was washing his hands long enough

519
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: in the scene that was making fun of how much

520
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: he washes his hands and the same thing like an oracle. Yeah. Well, no,

521
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying that even he wasn't doing it enough. I'm

522
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: saying that even looking back, like like with Monk, and

523
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: they would have like some hilarious thing where he would

524
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: pull out his handkerchief before he would touch something dirty

525
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to get his hands her. It's

526
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: like that's not sanitary that handkerchief can carry you want

527
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: to start nitpicking his Yeah, but these were held up

528
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: as like you're an unmanly weirdo who needs medication because

529
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson, thank god, took medicine at the end of

530
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: the movie that cured him of his hand washing obsession.

531
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Where now you have to want to look back. It's like, okay,

532
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: even that comical exaggeration of what you know sanitation is

533
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: was actually not no, they actually he didn't go twenty seconds.

534
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the medication he took was love the

535
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: love of a good woman in Helena. But I need

536
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: to see that movie. I've never seen it. I really

537
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: used to love that movie. I haven't seen it. But

538
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: my mom has a cookie that was sent to her

539
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: as a promotion because she votes in the Golden Globes

540
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: and all the time they get these like interesting gifts

541
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: to be like, please vote for our film and as

542
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: good as it gets, had like laser printed like stills

543
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: from the film put onto like frosting onto cookies, like

544
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: this was the early wave of printed cookies. And my

545
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: mom got such a kick out of that ship. She

546
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: fucking kept that ship in the refrigerator for fucking years.

547
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm I would almost be willing to wager that if

548
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I go to her home right now, that that cookie

549
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: may still be in the refrigerator because I asked to

550
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: get rid of it. She's like, no, but it's Jack Nicholson,

551
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: and it's like it's so interesting it's on this cookie.

552
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's old trash, but saluted immigrant mom for

553
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: never wasting anything, especially if it looks like it was expensive.

554
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: Is underrated, underrated. Honestly, I think maybe we're all learning

555
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: how much we underrated live music. I I'm discovering this myself,

556
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Like I took it for granted. You know that I'd

557
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: be on tour for weeks at a time, I could

558
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: technically see live music every night and usually decided I

559
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: need to take a break, I need a nap, I

560
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: need to go talk to people. I need to catch

561
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: up on work. I need to you know, like, after

562
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: after two nights with one band on tour, you're kind

563
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, I get it right, no matter how

564
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: much you like that band, And now I'd give anything

565
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: to to be an allowed room going what over a beer?

566
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: You know? Um? But yeah, I think I just didn't

567
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: understand how much that was a part of my social life,

568
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: is getting together, and how how good it is for

569
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: our mental health too to see um people gather and

570
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: um share an experience like that, and and and also

571
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: my own mental health. Just being able to vent about

572
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: what I'm piste off about every night is valuable. So yeah,

573
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean I I kind of reckon and everyone do

574
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: it once, right, like being a punk band and yell

575
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: about the ship that pisses you off. Um, because because

576
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: my names are appreciating it right now, Yeah, I'm sure

577
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sure like a lot of you know, what

578
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: your fans get out of it is similar to what

579
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: what you get out of it, and I'm sure they're

580
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: they're missing that too. It's wild to see people comment

581
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: and and and really just yeah, to see how much

582
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: people miss it and be like, oh, yeah, this is

583
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: the thing that we could. I could go to any

584
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: shitty bar at any time and go see a band

585
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, right, Like, there's so many bands in Baltimore.

586
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: It's a great music scene. And the fact that I

587
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: was like, nah, I'm good at the time, I'm like, man, like,

588
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: I really hope that I don't take it for granted.

589
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: In the same way in the future, I'm just dying

590
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: to go to the Echo and see one of l

591
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: A's three thousand psychs surf rock bands. Playing shot. I mean,

592
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean that really flippingly because like when I when

593
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: I was in a band, I'm like, why is everyone

594
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: playing the same fucking psych surfrock ship? But I really

595
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: want to Like now, I'm like, fuck you, bro, like

596
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: to send I'll go to Yeah. I love that super

597
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: effect you put on your with all your petals on

598
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: that guitar. I love it. Bro, just keep doing that.

599
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: But just got to the point where I was watching

600
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: YouTube videos of my band playing and like sending it

601
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: to my like, dude, remember this show, Dude, do you

602
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: need someone to talk to? That's very heavy. I had

603
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: a very vivid I had a very vivid fantasy yesterday.

604
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm just like making an excuse for leaving somewhere early,

605
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: which I do all the time, but just being like, yeah, sorry,

606
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: I've got like a thing tomorrow. So like it's been

607
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: great seeing everybody, but I get to get the funk

608
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: out of here. I'm like, man, I'm rusty. I'm rusty.

609
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna that is one of my tough skills.

610
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what about on the phone these days? That's well,

611
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: I gotta go because I don't feel like talking anymore.

612
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: My dog is on fire. I can't be I'm the opposite.

613
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, where you gotta go, where you gotta go?

614
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: Right now? You shut up. That's honestly, that's the most

615
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: aggressive move you can pull on a group. Zoom calls,

616
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: go where are you going? What are you about to do?

617
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: We know you're not going anywhere, So dude, you just

618
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: cried about I got broken up with fool. You're not

619
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: going nowhere. Dude, hang out on the call with the homies.

620
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: These are people you just met on that call. Yeah,

621
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I just zoom bomb calls and they're like, dude, I

622
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: told you to password protect this. And finally, Stephen, what

623
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: does a myth? What's something people think is true? You

624
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: know to be false? Uh? I was thinking my my

625
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: favorite one and not a lot of people think it's true, hopefully,

626
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: But the one from a few years ago about Finland

627
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: not being real? Whoa what? There was a there was

628
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: a guy who he heard from his parents like when

629
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: he was a kid, like they that you know, Finland

630
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: wasn't real, And he went on Reddit about it and

631
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: it just had some very like loose evidence and he

632
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: did it as a joke. He thought, Hey, look at

633
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: this funny ship my parents told me, and uh, but

634
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: then some people were like, hey, that adds up. And

635
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: then some like Finnish people are like, I exist, And

636
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: that's a great place for a conspiracy theory to end.

637
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: It's just people screaming that they exist exist, like not

638
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: just that the country isn't there, but like the land

639
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: mass is not there either. Australia is a big target

640
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: for this sort of conspiracy theory with the flat earthers.

641
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: I believe, Um, well, why I feel like things like

642
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: that are born out of like some kind of weird

643
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: white supremacist ideology too, So why erase like a Scandinavian

644
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: like Nordic country, Like what's the point? Too good to

645
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: be true? Man? Too good? You don't even you don't

646
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: even get my mind around a place like Finline, Oh

647
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: my god, oh we should. Yeah, well, I feel like

648
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: that's like only a matter of time that just like

649
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: any country that has like decent infrastructure and values its

650
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: citizens lives, they're like that play is actually doesn't exist.

651
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the funk you're talking about.

652
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: Must be fake. Alright, guys, let's take a quick break

653
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. And we're back, and we're

654
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: gonna bring in super producer on A Hosnier, who also

655
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: watched the Last Dance and was very uh, it was

656
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: fun to watch the Last Dance with you on a

657
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: over text. Yeah, No, I just really enjoyed your observations.

658
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: You you really like got into the Sea aries and like,

659
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: we're surprised by things that I had taken for granted.

660
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: They are very interesting characters that just get kind of

661
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: glossed over in this. I think Rodman being like, he

662
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: doesn't get glossed over, but I mean he's probably like

663
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: you leave the documentary, I think most people thinking he's

664
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: probably more interesting than Michael Jordan's. I agree with that.

665
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Dennis head. I was going to make

666
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: a video of to the like the Leave Brittany Alone

667
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: as the Leave Dennis Alone because they're so hard on

668
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: him and it always you know, Actually, on the ethnically

669
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: Ambiguous episode that Drop today, we talk a lot about

670
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: how because these are black men, they are always held

671
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: to a higher standard of how they are supposed to act,

672
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: and no matter what they do, it overshadows the fact

673
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: that they actually are these incredibly gifted athletes like Rodman

674
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: came in and he delivered in every game, regardless of

675
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: where he was or who he was partying with. But like,

676
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: no one can look past that because it's like, well,

677
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot Yeah, there's just always a

678
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: higher standard when you're a person of color that you

679
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: have to meet in order to get that sort of respect. Well,

680
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: I think he also had a whole bunch of toxic

681
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: masculinity going against him as well, like a lot of

682
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: the other ways. He's like there were many levels at

683
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: which people were finding ways to like fault him when

684
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, I think if you if he if Dennis

685
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: Rodman were like a rookie this or you know, a

686
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: year ago or something, and we're starting to see this

687
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: evolution like, man's cool. This guy's an interesting guy. He's

688
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: a cool guys. Hit someone with a chair was so

689
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: was what a treat he had to do that wrestling

690
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: start to say he had to. That's a great he

691
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: had to. That's essential work. But there's like coded language

692
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: that in sports. It even comes up in this in

693
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: that episode or in this last episode that was on

694
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: where when it's a white player, there's all this like

695
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: why so scrappy, he's a he's a gym rat. He's

696
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: like he's Steve Hark's like, well, yeah, it's hard. You

697
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: can tell he worked for everything he ever did. You

698
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: did not hear that apply to Dennis Robin. Dennis Robins

699
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: like or any of the like Scottie Pittms like, grew

700
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: up in the hood, escape getting shot, used his natural

701
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: basketball gifts to escape the hood. Like. There's none of

702
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: the talk of how hard Dennis Robin worked, because I'm

703
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: telling you he worked out more than anybody else on

704
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: that court, probably any two of them put together. But

705
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: with the little white guy, it's always, well, you know,

706
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: he he earned everything. You know, he's a scrappy, scrappy

707
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: Jim rat, you know, going up to those those brothers,

708
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, because who knows what kind of eugenic stuff

709
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: was going on back in period. It's like, what the

710
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: fund are you trying to imply? It all goes back

711
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: to like man dingo other eyes, like the horsepower on

712
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: these men kind of. But yeah, it is frustrating to hear.

713
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: You get the same thing in football when there's a

714
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: black quarterback and it's like, well, will he will be

715
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: more of a Warren Moon or a Michael Vick. It's like, well,

716
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: why Kenny Joe Montana. It's like the in don't even

717
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: know if they notice themselves doing it. But this documentary

718
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: didn't like to talk a lot about because again, this

719
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: the stuff happened during the I mean the l A.

720
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: Rodney King Ryot's Like, this was the nineties, This was

721
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: flashpoint for a lot of these issues, and that Michael's

722
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: whole thing was like, no, I'm not I'm just not

723
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: going to be that guy. But I don't know. I

724
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: know that that nobody wants to watch a whole episode

725
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: dedicated to that stuff, but I would we brought that up,

726
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: and I think it would be interesting to see someone

727
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: like Michael with his outsized figure and you know how

728
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: important he is to the culture, to even hear somebody

729
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: wrestle with that of saying like that puts me I

730
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: have a choice to make. If I speak my mind,

731
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: I will most likely completely, like evaporate everything I've accomplished

732
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: from a financial aspect. Professionally. I don't know, maybe my

733
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: game is too good for somebody to bench me, but

734
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: I know there will be problems if I open my

735
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: mouth and it. I would love to hear a very

736
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: honest conversation about that with him magic a lot of

737
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: the people involved, just because I think that's important for

738
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: people to hear, because I think on certain levels, people

739
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: have moments where they're like should I speak out? And

740
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: you start weighing what the risks are, and sometimes you're like,

741
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: that was actually a good call. This person actually didn't

742
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: end up being worthy of my defense. Or you might

743
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: say you might feel deeply guilty about it and say,

744
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, I could have I may have been

745
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: able to do something that would have changed the outcome,

746
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: whether that's for us on our level of maybe I

747
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: could have helped somebody out on a personal level, or

748
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan be like, what could I have done societally?

749
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: I think that's a very very nourishing conversation to witness

750
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: and for people to begin the process because we were

751
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: living in an age of where we're having to figure

752
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: out if it's worth speaking our minds or or rather

753
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: we just want to keep it low and keep you know,

754
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: not have too much turbulence and you know, uh thrive

755
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: that way. It's it's it's interesting. Yeah, I was curious

756
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: as so, Like I mean, I felt like in general,

757
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: the documentary didn't uh didn't give Dennis Rodman a really fair,

758
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I mean, I know it's not

759
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: about him, but it didn't. It seemed to glaze over

760
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: a lot of the Dennis Rodman stuff in a way

761
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: that like it warranted further discussion, And I wonder, I'm like,

762
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: who is the person making the call to not explore

763
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what what you're both talking about? Because

764
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: it fits into the story perfectly, there's space for it.

765
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: There's a space for an entire episode of discussion. But

766
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: is it is it that Michael doesn't want to have

767
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: that discussion? Like at what point in the production were

768
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: they like, oh, this would because it's clear that like

769
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: as a network, ESPN has wanted to have that discussion.

770
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: We saw that in the OJ documentary. But it just

771
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was just curious of like where did

772
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: that stop? Where did they say we're going to go

773
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: up to here and then for whatever reason, we're not

774
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: going to go any further and just make it a

775
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: whatever twenty second segment. Well, I I feel like Jordan's

776
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: from the start has made it very clear that he

777
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: doesn't like discussing the politics of certain things, you know,

778
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: like it's all very like keep it to the basketball.

779
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: Keep it to the game, keep your head in the game. Yeah,

780
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: keep it to the shoe consumers Republicans buy shoes too,

781
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: like he likes to keep it. I mean, and that's

782
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's a problem with the whole situation as well,

783
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: Like he never felt comfortable to step out a line

784
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: either because that's right, that was his reputation powerful. That's

785
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: also the power of white supremacy because you're you're a

786
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: man of color, you are all all. We have our

787
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: examples of how bad ship goes when you want to

788
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: call out white supremacy. So and again, I think these

789
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: are these are such interesting conversation, especially here Michael Jordan's

790
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: talked about it. I think, you know, yeah, maybe that

791
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: maybe we need that Dennis Robin spin off or whatever.

792
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot. But I get to like, yeah,

793
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: but sports are an escape. But I think that's a

794
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: calculated risk they make. Is like when you start getting

795
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: into things about you know, not every everyone wants to

796
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: talk about Michael Jordan and the bulls in that run.

797
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Everyone loves it. Clearly by this, now, does everybody want

798
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: to have a really deep, nuanced conversation about you know,

799
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: the hegemonic power of white supremacy and in sports and

800
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: our culture and what their leaves are greatest heroes and

801
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: their decision making. I see that's where we're like, this

802
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: isn't well man, Maybe we can do that a few

803
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: years down the road. But I think that's probably what

804
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: the risk, or at least what they were calculated. Their

805
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: calculus was even talking about like Scottie Pippen's upbringing and

806
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: almost framing like it's this Charles Dickens story where it's like, wow,

807
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: in one bedroom house with thirteen kids and three of

808
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: them were paralyzed, and it's like okay because they and

809
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: they put that in because it informs his decision later

810
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: to take a tiny contract that is a fraction of

811
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: what he was worth because he was setting the money

812
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: back home. There's a huge there's huge implications there in

813
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: terms of how he had to live his life based

814
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: on where he was from and why the place he

815
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: was from was like that you kind of like it

816
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: just becomes like storybook well inspirational, and you still see

817
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: this in like draft guides, like you know, grew up

818
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: under tough circumstances. You know, father was killed in prison

819
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: when he was thirteen. It's like, okay, let's talk about that,

820
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: because you now want to immediately switch back to the sports.

821
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: But the whole point of a ten part documentary is

822
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: we're going to go off the court. We're gonna go

823
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and show the real people. And it

824
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: really makes him tick. And you've spent so much of

825
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: it on the practice court and on the bus and

826
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: it's like, man, every decision Scotty had to make, everything

827
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: about his attitude, about the way he talks to authority,

828
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: figures is informed by where he's from. And he's a

829
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: fascinating person because there's all these conflicts because he knows

830
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: he's he's great. Did not want to overshadow. Michael was

831
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: playing with someone who knew that if he felt threatened

832
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: by him for one second, he would just destroy him.

833
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: Scotty had to balance this in a way that Michael didn't,

834
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: you know. And obviously Michael's father was killed as a tragedy,

835
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: but the support, you know, from his family and everything,

836
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: And the same thing with Dennis. Dennis Robbin was almost

837
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: for two years out of high school and just stumbled

838
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: onto a basketball court and now it's like, oh, it's

839
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: all piercings and Kim jong wound and hair dye. It's like, man,

840
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: everything that he did was informed by where he was raised,

841
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: and where he was raised is like that for a reason.

842
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: And you could say, well, but that's too big of

843
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: a subject to get into on a basketball doc. But

844
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's I thought the whole point was

845
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: like talking about what a cultural phenomenon he was and

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Speaker 1: this team was, and how it extended beyond sports and

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00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: extended beyond America. Okay, well can we talk about this

848
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: other stuff too instead of just it's like something that's

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00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned in passing. I feel like we have

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Speaker 1: a very thorough understanding of how Michael Jordan's sees everything,

851
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Speaker 1: Like that's what the documentary gave us, or how Michael

852
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: Jordan's wants people to see everything. Um, but that's that's it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: But I think that's but I think that that's the

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Speaker 1: thing everyone wanted to though, based on everyone tuning in

855
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: week in, week out. Just there was like there was

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Speaker 1: something about that getting into the head of somebody that

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Speaker 1: people you know, most people who were growing up in

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Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties probably had a poster of or

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Speaker 1: some kind of bulls something. Um. Yeah, So I think

860
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: there's just very deep nostalgia for a time when, uh,

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00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: that seemed simpler, and I think I think was was

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00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: probably simpler for a lot of people when our parents

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Speaker 1: had really good jobs in the nineties. Can I just

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Speaker 1: say one thing I really the one thing I really

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Speaker 1: respect about Jordan, and I've texted you guys about this

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00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: over the last few weeks, is what an open crier

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Speaker 1: he is. Um. I love that, considering he's in a

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Speaker 1: sport and and he came from an era that was

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00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: surrounded by toxic masculinity, and to have that much emotion

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Speaker 1: and to be so open about it, like that scene

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Speaker 1: with him lying on the ground balling with the basketball

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Speaker 1: after having won a championship like that and you know,

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00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: crying Jordan's meme all that. You know, he's very open

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Speaker 1: with his emotions, and I think that's kind of amazing

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00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: like that. There's so many layers to him in a

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Speaker 1: way where you're like, Okay, you know, he's this very

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Speaker 1: fierce competitor, but I love I love how much he

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Speaker 1: is just down to Like I was gonna say, ball

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00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: like ball in both ways, but yeah, like you but

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00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, you know, some some poor asshole made the

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Speaker 1: mistake of trying to fucking sun him over crying. I

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Speaker 1: can only imagine what Michael Jordan will respond to some

883
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: people like, hey Mike, you crying, bro? And then yeah,

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00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: he died of a mysterious poisoning about eighteen months later,

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Speaker 1: So I was crying now. I wouldn't be surprised if

886
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 1: we found out the crying meme was actually he was behind.

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you're gonna make fun of me crying.

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Speaker 1: That's all we needed. Now I'm a meme that you

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Speaker 1: will never forget. All right, that's gonna do it. For

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Speaker 1: this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show.

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Speaker 1: If you like the show, uh means the world to Miles.

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Speaker 1: He needs your validation, folks. I hope you're having a

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Speaker 1: great weekend and I will talk to him Monday. By

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Speaker 1: da