1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Healthcare coverage from Farm Bureau Health Plans is like an 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: extra set of pads when you need them the most. 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: They've been protecting Tennessee and since nineteen forty seven, that's 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: seventy five years from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Indiana. 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: Mike Keith amy Wells, Rhett Bryant. Last day at the combine, 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: last day, best day, last day, best day. We took 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: yesterday off of an OTP, but going to do one today. 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: In the first segment of the program, NFL Draft analyst 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: Todd McShay from ESPN joined to talk about some prospects 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: and Rhett, you were kind enough to sit in for 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: me as I had to go to Lucas Oil Stadium 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: at the point that we taped this to tell him 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: why Mike I was on NFL network. He's a big deal. 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: I was more than glad to fill in just because 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: of that. For you. Here's my thing. I wore a 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: fancy sport coat. Hang on, hang on, you did wear 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: a fancy sport I did, and I was on the 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: NFL network, very fancy. It's the big thing. We're very 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: excited for you. Thank you great publicity for the old fireball, 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: like Mike Keith does that stuff. But we also schedule 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: these well in advance. Rke like to get some of 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: the big name analysts like a Todd McShay. There are 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: multiple hoops through which you must jump. True, and yet 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: Mike Keith has a big time conflict with our big 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: time guy. I mean, really, we'll only given him the 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: business about We only did thirty two other interviews, but 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's the big one. But they asked me 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: to represent the Titans on NFL Network. Don't you think 30 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: the people would have wanted me to do that? The 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: OT people want content. Well they're going to get a 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: podcast right now without me. Htt Brian Ay wells Todd 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: McShay on the US, Amy was and Rhet Brian here 34 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: so excited to be joined by Todd mchae and Rhett. Wow. 35 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: We have I mean Draft Royalty here while we have 36 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: him here. What do you say we play a little game? Huh? 37 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: I would like that very much. No, it's a good game. 38 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: I think it's it's a game you will be excel at. 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: Just just fine, you can do it in your sleep. 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: We have a list of names here, guys that we 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: are excited to see at the Combine, and we love 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: it if we threw out these names, you could just 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about these guys, what you've seen, 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: what you like, that kind of stuft it. So we 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: will start with Grant Calcata. Calcata started at Oklahoma. He's 46 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: a tight end. He had concussions and some medical issues 47 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: and he was going to retire from football at one point, 48 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: but we want to back at SMU. Really good football player, 49 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: can catch the ball, tough. Rest of I thought he 50 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: was gonna be like a third round pick, you know, 51 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: before the injuries, but he revitalized his career at SMU. 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: He had a really good week at the Senior Bowl. 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: I'm hoping he gets drafted in the fifth round range. 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: You know, it'll be somewhere on Day three. And obviously 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: the medical part is the biggest concern for him. Let's 56 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: stay with the tight ends. I'm gonna skip one. Who 57 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 1: got a wide receiver mixed in there. Cold Turner from Nevada. 58 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Interesting prospect. Yeah, he's got some length, he can get 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: down the field. He obviously had the Carson Strong throwing 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: to him. And Nevada and those two. I got a 61 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: text actually from my old tight end coach at Richmond 62 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: who was coaching in the game against them, and he's like, 63 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: he's like the receiver. He just wrote the receiver and 64 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: the quarterback. There the real deal. I was like, yeah, 65 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: I know him coaching, but but but Turner is he's 66 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: a guy can get down the field. And that's what 67 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: Carson Strong's best attribute as his ability to to throw 68 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: the ball like in the bucket deep throws, and he 69 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: was on the receiving end of a lot of those. 70 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: What about Jake Ferguson from Wisconsin. I like him more 71 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: I watched him, the more I like him. He's not 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: the biggest guy, and he's not like Ben flexibility great 73 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: at an athlete in that regard, but he's quick and 74 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: he's he's sudden. And the thing about him that is 75 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: elite and stands out his best trade his ball skills. 76 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean, outside of maybe Jeremy Ruckert from Ohio State, 77 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: I would say he's the best pass catcher in terms 78 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: of ball skills that contested catches, tracking the deep ball, 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: all those things. He's outstanding. And you read our mind 80 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: because Jeremy RUCKERD of Ohio State was the next place 81 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: I was going. Yeah, start with the balls. He had 82 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: one drop this last year. I watched five tapes from 83 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: the year before and didn't see him drop a pass. 84 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: Now he's you're not getting an explosive guy. He's gonna 85 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: run pretty well, but he's not very sudden and it's 86 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: not a lot of separation out of his breaks. But 87 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: he can be an inline blocker. He's tough, he's physical, 88 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: he can you can move him around and have him 89 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: move block as well. He's your classic possession probably backup 90 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: but reliable, good player for you in the league. And 91 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: I think best case for him would be late but 92 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: more likely early fourth. Let's switch it up in positions 93 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: a little bit and go to Alec Lynstrom from Boston College. Yeah, 94 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. He's the second best offensive lineman from BC 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: this year behind Zion Johnson, who's going to be a 96 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: late first but probably more likely early second rounder. But 97 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: Lyndstrom is he's your typical you know, he's a tough guy, 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: he's kind of in his blood. He's physical. Actually, he's 99 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: a third. There's three offensive lineman because your head coach, 100 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: he's got he's got a son in there too. He's 101 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: not at the combine. I was surprise, but yeah, so 102 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: they've got three offensive lineman BC. But but Lyndstrom is 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: one of them in just a real strong ball or guy. 104 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: Got a little bit of athletic limitations, but he's a 105 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: good player. Staying with centers and guards. Dylan Parham from 106 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: Memphis is interesting to me. Fifty one starts three different 107 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: positions on the offensive line. What about Dylan Parham. I 108 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: like Dylan param He's rising, he really is, and he 109 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: had a really good week at the Senior Bowl. The 110 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: versatility is the biggest thing with him. You know, you 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: can play him, Yeah, you can play him at guard, 112 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: you can play him at tackle. And I just think 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 1: he's tough, he's physical, and he's consistent. Read in keeping 114 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: with the Tennessee theme here. What about Cole Strange out 115 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: of Chattanooga. He's another guy. He's a guard most of 116 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: his career at UT Chattanooga. But he, like like Zion 117 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: Johnson from BC, accepted the offer from the Senior Bowl 118 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: to move in play center, you know, and did a 119 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: really good job. And he's got a little work to do. 120 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: But who wouldn't you know, first week on the job 121 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: and interviewing in front of thirty two GMS and NFL 122 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: head coaches and all that. So that's a tough spot 123 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: to be put in, but he handled it really well. 124 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: He is he moves well, he's strong, he's tough, and 125 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: I just I love part of the evaluation with offensive 126 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: lineman is just the mindset, and he's got the right mindset. 127 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: He's gonna be a good pro and I'll be shocked 128 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: if he if he's available after the third round. Todd McShay, 129 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: let's switch gears. Let's go to wide receivers. YEP. Christian Watson, 130 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: North Dakota State, the Tampa Tornado. One of the best 131 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: nicknames in the Yeah, he's from from North Dakota State, 132 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: but but started out at Tampa. He's a burner. At 133 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he was six three two oh five, 134 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: I want to say, with longer arm, like thirty two 135 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: and a half to thirty three inch arm. Long arms 136 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: every tape, and I know he's FCS, but every tape 137 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: it's like he's not just open deep, he's like five 138 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: seven yards behind the guy, just running by by defenders. 139 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: And he showed it at the Senior Bowl. I thought 140 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: he had one of, if not the best weeks of 141 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: all the wide receivers there, which is it's always important, 142 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: but it's more important for an FCS small school level 143 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: guy to come out and have that kind of week. 144 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we talk about the guys 145 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: at the top this year, you know, Drake London from 146 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: USC and and Jamison Williams's gonna fall a little bit 147 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: from Alabama at the injury. But he's the first round 148 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: of Johan dots and the two Ohio State kids, Chris 149 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Lave Garrett Wilson. I think I'm missing someone else in there, 150 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: but there's there's five or six receivers that will go 151 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: in the first round. He's in that next tier, you know, 152 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of second round guys, but I 153 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be one of the first receivers to 154 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: come off the board after that first tier of six. 155 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: Now you mentioned Johan Dotson from Penn State. Tell me 156 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: a little bit about him. Might have the best all skills. 157 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: We talked about it for tight ends. He might have 158 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: the best ball skills of all the of all the 159 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: wide receivers, and he you know, I think he was 160 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: about one hundred and seventy eight pounds five ten or so. 161 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: He's just not a big guy, but you're you know 162 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: what you're getting. He wasn't a big guy at Penn State, 163 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: and look at the numbers. He had his body control, 164 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: his ability, Like everything he does is so under control. 165 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: He's going full speed and he's got good speed. He's 166 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: like four fours, but everything's just under control. The way 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: he catches the ball, he's already onto the next step 168 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: after the first step, and he does it with ease. 169 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: That's what I love about his game. I think he's 170 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: gonna be a great slot receiver in the league. Todd mcshey, 171 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: a young man that improved his stock at the Senior 172 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: Bowl University of Tennessee wide receiver of Valis Jones. Yes, 173 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: Valis Jones is intriguing to me because he's got the 174 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: kick return aspect to his game. He's he can flat 175 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: out run. He's great with the ball in his hands, 176 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: and he's stronger and tougher than people probably give him 177 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: credit for. Like a lot of his catchers are those 178 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: quick slants. He's got good contact balance, almost like an 179 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: Anquan Bolden, you know, built a little bit like running 180 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: back with that lower body and he'll break that first 181 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: tackle and then it's about the acceleration and you know, 182 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: one cut and go. A lot of his bigger plays 183 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: are just like that quick slant or an underneath route 184 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: where he's just he's getting the ball and he's got 185 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: to get one guy off of him and then goes 186 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: and and and then the kick he had the I 187 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: think it was like a ninety nine yard kick return. 188 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: I watched him in one of the tape. But he's 189 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: a he's a unique athlete. He's still kind of developing 190 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: his route runnering all those things. But but that's the 191 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: beauty in this class. You can get him in the 192 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: third round and he might wind up he's not Deebo Samuel, 193 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: but you can utilize him in somewhat of a similar 194 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: role and get like, you know, a Deebo Samuel light, 195 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: which is still a pretty good player and you know, 196 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: can can provide some impact. I mean, that's what you 197 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: want in this league today. Unique guys in space five 198 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: yard throw What can you get me? And then and 199 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: Vailis is one of those guys I think is gonna 200 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: provide more than than what the draft slot would would indicate. 201 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's switch over to the defensive side of 202 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: the ball now. Jesse Lukida from Penn State one of 203 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: the two can Aliens that are gonna get drafted him. 204 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: He and John Metchi from Alabama. You guys are really 205 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: digging in my brain today. Kaid is a hybrid defensive 206 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: end outside linebacker. I think he kind of fits best 207 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: as a three four outside backer. Has some athletic limitations. 208 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 1: He's not like the most explosive guy. Changing directions is 209 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: not his thing necessarily, but he played. He's just feisty, 210 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: He's got snap in his hands, He's always working hard 211 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: to get off of blocks, and just he's he's a tough, physical, 212 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, Penn State football player that has grinded it 213 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: out there. You know, he kind of gets overlooked because 214 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: they've had so much talent, you know, on the defensive 215 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: side of the last few years. But he's just been 216 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: a really reliable, good player. Just up by sixty five 217 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: from Nashville at Western Kentucky is an edge pass rusher. 218 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: Diane jelov Malone. I think he's underrated. You know, boy 219 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: A Mafe is getting a lot of love out of 220 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: Minnesota's an edge rusher. They're kind of similar players. He 221 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: had that big week at the Senior Bowl. Malone's a 222 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: little bit more fluid, I think, and he's a better 223 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: He's a better football player at this point. I can 224 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: say that and it's not even a knocked up Mofee 225 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: wasn't even a full time starter early this year. He 226 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: came out and off the bench against Colorado, had two 227 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: sacks in that game and just like kind of had 228 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: the breakout moment and from that point on he's been rising. 229 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: You've always seen with Mafe the physical tools, but Deangel 230 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: has just been a really good play Like he can 231 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: drop into coverage, quick first step, really quick with his hands, 232 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: efficient pass rusher. I think he's he's a little narrow 233 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: framed and I get it, but he can add some bulk. 234 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a really good player, and 235 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: I'll be surprised. I mean, worst case, he goes in 236 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: the third round, but I think he's gonna be a 237 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: second round pick prospect coming out of Montana State. Troy Anderson, Yeah, 238 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: he's first of all, just put him in on special 239 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: teams right away and there's there's your initial contribution. Like, 240 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: like I can guarantee you he's going to be a 241 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: great special teams player. I can just see you because 242 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: he can run. Yeah, he's not like I don't think 243 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: he's the best like change of direction, lateral agility athlete 244 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: in this draft, but but he can run, he can hit, 245 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: really good tackler, plays his tail off like him. He 246 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: and Chad Moomo were the two guys that really stood 247 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: out to me at the Senior Bowl moments from Wyoming 248 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: that you know, you'll get all these guys from Georgia 249 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: and Alabama and you know, and now there's this like 250 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: Montana State and Wyoming guys that are kind of running 251 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: the show at linebacker. It's cool. There's a guy that's 252 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: a sixth year man from Nebraska, Joejoe Doman. Yeah, a 253 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: couple of ACL's back to back, but has been an 254 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: okay player. What about Joejoe Doman plays everything. He's he's 255 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: slot corner, overhang safety, linebacker. He just he can do 256 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of everything and he's always around the ball. 257 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: Really instinctive player. He had an interception where he had 258 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: to like he was he was in coverage in chase 259 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: coverage from behind. The receiver breaks off a route and 260 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: he not only stops on the dime, gets back around, 261 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: but he cuts off the receiver two handed catch, two 262 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: toes in, you know, would have been an NFL catch. 263 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: He was an awesome play. It was kind of the 264 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: highlight of his career. But Dorman can do a little 265 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: bit of everything. It's great to be able to do everything, 266 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: but what can you really do if if you're stuck 267 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: on an island against a really good tight end or receiver, 268 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, Like, so I want to see his speed 269 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: numbers and then and then what's the medical you know, 270 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: because he has had some injuries. But but I think Doman, 271 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: like if everything checks out and he works out well, 272 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: I think he's probably a third round pick. Tell me 273 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: about Damian Pierce out of Florida. Hard runner efficient just 274 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: if there's three yards to get, he's gonna get you 275 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,119 Speaker 1: at least three, maybe four. He loves the game, passionate, 276 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: plays hard, he catches the ball okay, But they didn't 277 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: give him a lot of reps at Florida. You know, 278 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: this running back class is interesting. It's it's certainly not great. 279 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: There's no first rounder. Breeze Hall from Iowa State is 280 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: probably the first guy off the board, and he has 281 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: some holes in his game, I'd like him, but he 282 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: was just a you know, a load carrier at Iowa State. 283 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: You've got Isaiah Spiller from Texas A and m Is 284 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: in that second third round range, James Cook from Georgia's 285 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: second third round range. Kiran Williams from Notre Dame is 286 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: going to be a third rounder. And those guys all 287 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: have some versatility, you know, catch the ball, can work 288 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: in the slot and all that. But Pearce is just 289 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: a pounder. I mean, you take him in the probably 290 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: the I would say fourth. My guess is fourth round 291 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: as just your number two back and come in short 292 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: yardage and just grind it out for you. Todd McShay, ESPN. 293 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: One last one. You've aced the exam so far. This 294 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: guy I think could be a physical, violent runner because 295 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: he used to be a linebacker. Abram Smith from Baylor, 296 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: really interesting kid. Never heard of him. I wanted you 297 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: to stump me on the last one. No Smith, he 298 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: he was a linebacker. Yeah, he was a linebacker and 299 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: really didn't want to make the transition to running back, 300 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: but he did. He did his final year and he 301 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: was just a workhorse for him, and he runs hard. 302 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: He runs like a linebacker with the football, but he 303 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: also can catch a little bit. He's good in pass protection. 304 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: He's only going to get better with more reps. But 305 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: I liked him this year. They leaned on him too, 306 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: like David Wrenn, and wanted to change everything about that program. 307 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: Really the last you know, couple coaches there. But the 308 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: point is they wanted to be a physical, run, running 309 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: football team, and he was the guy. Todd McShay, thank 310 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: you so much for taking some time with us. This 311 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: has been fantastic, all right, So it was better withoutfre 312 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: Nice job, Brett, Thank you, sir. Appreciate that well played. 313 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: Rhett was a great a great partner to do that interview. Okay, 314 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: so Rrett's not involved in the next one though, because 315 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: we had a chance to talk with some folks who 316 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: are involved with our division rivals. First of all, Mark 317 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: vandermir the voice of the Houston Texans. What a bizarre 318 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: set of circumstances they have been under for a long time, 319 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: and Rhett, it just kind of continues and it looks 320 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: like it's going to be that way for at least 321 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: a couple more weeks. I mean, it starts with the 322 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: quarterback into Shaun Watson, and then you look at the 323 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: organizational things. They've had a head coaching change in Lovey Smith. 324 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: It's still a franchise in disarray. It just keeps getting weirder. 325 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: But it was good to have a chance to talk 326 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: with Mark vandermir Paul about it and we did just 327 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: at on the ot Keap who sent it by far 328 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: Bureau Health. Mark, is this offseason calmer for the Houston Texans? 329 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: Then was twenty twenty one off season? My football blood 330 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: pressure has gone down considerably. Medical checkups are good for me, 331 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: and that's what it's all about here, Mike. Really, now 332 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: it is a lot calmer. I think we've stabilized. You know, 333 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: we've been through a lot here as an organization. Obviously 334 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: with everything going on with the quarterback last year, everything 335 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: going on with David Culley being hired, Nick kas Sarrio, 336 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: it was just we were thrown into upheaval in so 337 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: many different ways. And Cully was magnificent for us in 338 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: so many different ways because he calmed everybody down. But 339 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: obviously it didn't go well in the field at times. 340 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: It did. You know, we had a nice win in Nashville. 341 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: Sorry to remind you, but I don't need to. There 342 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: were some moments, There's no doubt. I think the team 343 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: played a little bit better as the season went along, 344 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: particularly Davis Mills. But we need to go to the 345 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: next level, whatever that level was going to be needed 346 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: to take a step forward, and certainly Lovey Smith is 347 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: that for us. Love He's been in the game a 348 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: long time. Obviously, he's been through a lot of big games, 349 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: and I think that he's the right man for the 350 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: job right now for the Houston Texans. In terms of 351 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback situation, While there is a little more of 352 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: a path to clarity, it's not there yet. What are 353 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: the rumblings, what are the conversations surrounding Deshaun Watson, and 354 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: then also what to do after he is no longer 355 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: a part of the Houston Texans. Well, I believe they 356 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: go about their business thinking Davis Mills is the quarterback 357 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two and see where it goes from there. 358 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: Because what we saw of Davis Mills was kind of 359 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: a rocky start, but you saw flashes and then he 360 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: really protected the ball well once he got back into 361 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: the lineup after they replaced Tyrod Taylor with him, and 362 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: he had some really good games and some really good 363 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: call too. He had some moments where he made a 364 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: decision at the line that ended up being a big throw, 365 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: a game changing throw or a series changing throw, And 366 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things you want to see 367 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: out of your rookie quarterback. Are they progressing? Are they growing? 368 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: Is the arrow going up? And you don't know how 369 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: high that arrow is going to go, because look it 370 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: might stop here, but you hope it goes all the way. 371 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: And I think they really like him as far as 372 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: Watson goes, though they don't The Texans don't talk about Watson. 373 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: I mean they get asked. Nick As Sarrio being asked 374 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: about him here at the Combine, Lovey Smith as well. 375 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: Every time they do a major public press conference with 376 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: national media, in particular because the local guys have had 377 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: their shots, they get asked. But the whole thing is 378 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: you're waiting for a resolution to occur. You're waiting for 379 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: maybe the legal investigation to be over with. Obviously, the 380 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: lawsuits to be settled in some sort of way. They're 381 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: tried out or settled, So there's so many loose ends 382 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: that need to be tied up before you can move 383 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: Watson I just don't know when it's gonna be Personally. 384 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: I thought during the season, I said, well, there's no 385 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: guarantee that this happens by the draft because the legal 386 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: calendar doesn't give a hoot about the NFL calendar. You know, 387 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: as much as we'd like it to en a pure 388 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: football context, I realized the allegations are so much more 389 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: serious than that. But what we're looking at here is 390 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: football wise, you'd love to get it done. You just 391 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: can't until those legal things are taken care of. Yeah, 392 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: they're not doing that for the NFL purposes. Yeah, for 393 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: any It's a great point. The point is two, if 394 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: the Watson thing goes as it seems like it's gonna go, 395 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: and then he does not come back to the Texans 396 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: and you've lost this top five talent and quarterback. If 397 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: Davis Mills works out as this steal at number three, 398 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: isn't that the best possible scenario that could come that 399 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: you would find this guy down the line who doesn't 400 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: cost you much money for three more years. Yeah, And 401 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: it's it's unfair to both to compare Mills to Watson. 402 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: But I get your question and your point here, Mike, 403 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: because he's drafted in round three. If he stayed in school, 404 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: he's probably a first rounder as long as he played 405 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: that much better in his last year there, as opposed 406 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: to the previous season twenty twenty, which was a COVID 407 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: shortened campaign. He started a half dozen games at Stanford 408 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and Nick as Sarrio and company say, 409 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: let's invest here a draft choice in Davis Mills, and 410 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: we'll do his senior year as a rookie in the NFL, 411 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: or however you want to interpret that. So he gets 412 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: NFL experience, playing time, just goes through a few of 413 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: the battles, and now he's ready to be your starter 414 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two. I think it's terrific for them 415 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: in the context of where they're at, and let's just 416 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: see where he goes. Look, they have some other rookies too. 417 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: Roy Lopez did well on the d line, Nico Collins 418 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: looked pretty good as a receiver at times. Brevin Jordan 419 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: had some moments at tight end. Nickissarri had five draft 420 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: choices last year, only five, and they all did something. 421 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: So now he's got more. We have a first and 422 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: second round pick for only the second time in the 423 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: last five years, right, and the first time, and it's amazing. 424 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: It's because of the Watson deal and you know Osweiler 425 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: deal with a second rounder involved, and obviously the Laramie 426 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: Tounseil thing. So now you finally have a full slate 427 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: in the draft without making a deal for Watson. And 428 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: if you do make a deal, well, maybe get a 429 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: whole lot more picks. We'll see what happens there. You 430 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: go in terms of positions of need before we get 431 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: to the draft, we've got free agency. Are there some 432 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: spots that the Texans could be able to maybe bolster 433 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: increase a little bit through free agency? They have to. 434 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: They have to because last year they signed it felt 435 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: like seventy players. It was over fifty players that were 436 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: new on the offseason roster, all right, so on the 437 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: ninety yet over fifty, okay, And that does happen from 438 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: time to time with clubs, but this was a lot 439 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: because you knew that based on what they were losing, 440 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys would end up playing, and 441 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: they did. So I go to the OTA's and it 442 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: feels like, as a play by play guy, you know 443 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: how it feels when you go to a joint practice, Mike, 444 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: and you're looking at the other team's roster. You're really 445 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: getting to know that team for a preseason game, and 446 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: you have that little advantage the week up. That's what 447 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: the OTAs felt like to me. I don't know who 448 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: these guys are, you know there. I mean, I've heard 449 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: of them and I've seen them around. But Comu Gruge 450 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: Hill comes in and players like that who ended up 451 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: contributing for us. So that was cool. But yet over 452 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: thirty new players on the fifty three man roster when 453 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: it was all said and done, so they're gonna lose 454 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: some of these guys because they were all one or 455 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: two year contracts. So it was just let's see what 456 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: we got. Maybe we resigned some, maybe we don't. We 457 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: just go for a whole new harvest next year, meaning 458 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: this offseason. And that's where we're at right now. Amy, 459 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: what's the priority at three in your opinion or what 460 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: are the priorities at three? I honestly, I hate to 461 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: go cliche, but I think his best player available for them, 462 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: because I don't know how they really feel about the 463 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: old line. And Laramie got an injury and he got 464 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: a thumb injury, but it ended up not playing again, 465 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know if the thumb was the biggest 466 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: part of that, so I'm not sure if I think 467 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: it was a mutual thing if anything. So I'm not 468 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: sure what his status is moving forward. But he's on 469 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: the team right now, so it'd be great to have 470 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: him back. But what if they move him. I mean, 471 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: there have been some rumors from outside the building about 472 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: that kind of thing taking place. Who knows, big contract, 473 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: obviously a terrific player. You'd love to have him. But 474 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: I bring him up because Titus Howard was playing left 475 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: tackle toward the end of the year, did a nice job, 476 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: and that's kind of where Brian Gaine thought he would 477 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: go when he drafted him back in twenty nineteen. So 478 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: you'd love to see if Titus Howard could do something 479 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: at left or right tackle. They played him a lot 480 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: at guard early on in the season. Actually for the 481 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: bulk of the season didn't go as well as you 482 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: wanted it too. I'm not a big evaluator of the 483 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: offensive line. I just know what I read and hear 484 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: and things like that, and I pick up because you know, 485 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the ball most of the truth. But 486 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: I think that as far as that. I'm giving you 487 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: a long answer here, but maybe Old Line because they're attractive, 488 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: Old linement up high, right. I don't know if they 489 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: go for Hamilton's. I don't know if he's there. You know, 490 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: I think Hutchinson's gone. I don't see him passing through Detroit, 491 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, without getting selected. You know, we're joking this 492 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: morning that Campbell's gonna trade from two to one just 493 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: to make sure he can get him. Yeah, I mean, 494 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, because once he sits down with him, 495 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna say, oh, this is our guy. We gotta 496 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: have him. So I think it's the best possible player 497 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: they can get. I would say a trade down has 498 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: a coin flip shot. I would say it's fifty fifty 499 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: that he could trade down. But then at that point 500 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: you wonder who's gonna trade up and for who at 501 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: that point, right, because nobody's trading up for a quarterback, 502 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: we think, we think, but you know this is still 503 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: relatively early, right, it's from here we are at the 504 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: com well listen, I mean we were sitting here when 505 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, all of us were, when Kyler Murray got measured, 506 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: and when he measured five ten. Suddenly here in the room. 507 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: He went into the first round a lot and then 508 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: eventually went to the number one pick over all, but 509 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: he was being talked about as a first round pick 510 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: because people thought he might measure five eight. I go 511 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: back to the twenty fourteen draft. Okay, here we are 512 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: at the combine, and you've got Manzelle, You've got Teddy Bridgewater, 513 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolow, and Blake Bortles right, and Bortles 514 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: ends up third overall. Now, no one at the combine. 515 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't think called that, No way, no way. If anything, somebody, 516 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna reach for Manzell at that point because he 517 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: was still a hot commodity at that point, even in 518 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: the first round that year. Oh, Manzille's dropping, he dropped. 519 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: It was surprising, Yes, it was surprising at the time. 520 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: And Bridgewater he's dropping because there was a time when 521 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: Bridgewater was thought like toward the end of his last 522 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: college year that he was gonna be the number one 523 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: pick in the draft because the Texans were getting the 524 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: number one pick. Now, I was really tuned into that 525 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: side of things, because obviously the Texans were looking for 526 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: a quarterback at that point, and I thought, who are 527 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: they going to get? But they didn't get any of 528 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: those guys. With a new coaching staff, usually there comes 529 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: a culture shift of some sort, right, there is a 530 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: new identity that seems to form. Levey Smith has been 531 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: within the Houston Texans organization. Do you expect to see 532 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: that big culture shift, especially when it comes to assembling 533 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: the personnel that will become the twenty two Texans team. 534 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: That's a great question. And I'm eager to see how 535 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: Lovey Smith and Nikossario work together and selecting players because 536 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: as a GM, Cassario has got to select who he 537 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: thinks is right for the team, but who he thinks 538 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: is right for the team has to fit into what 539 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: love You wants to do. And Pet Hamilton as the 540 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, I'm curious about the offense because Tim Kelly 541 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: was still running that Bill O'Brien Patriot thing, which was 542 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: really good if you're Tom Brady, and if you're not, 543 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a whole lot more difficult to run. 544 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick told me that's the most complicated offense he's 545 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: ever run, right, and he's run every offense in the 546 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: league twice right, And he's played for four NBA team, 547 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: it's been reintroduced to it twice, so he said it 548 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: was very complicated. Mills could handle it mentally, but the 549 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: processing time, I mean, it's we're talking about hundreds of 550 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: a second in order to make things happen in an offense. 551 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if they simplified a little bit. I 552 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: think that'll be cool. But I think that having Lovey 553 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: there for a year, knowing the building and the people 554 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: and just the general surroundings does help. But let me 555 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: tell you, it's so different. He's the defensive coordinator. Now 556 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: he's the head coach. Completely different vibe in the building. 557 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: Everybody's really responding to it. David Cully was incredibly positive, 558 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: and I think he was exactly what we needed in 559 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: so many ways following the Bill O'Brien era, but having 560 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: no David Culley anymore, having Lovey Smith in there, guy 561 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: who's been through it all, I think it's wonderful, you know. 562 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: And I loved working with Cully. I absolutely love the 563 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: man and I would have run through a wall for him. 564 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: But I love having Lovey because, like I said, you know, 565 00:27:54,520 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: there's no substitute for all that experience from Houston and 566 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: Mark Vandermere. We go to Jacksonville and ESPN's Mike Dorocco, 567 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: who has covered the team for quite some time in Jacksonville, 568 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: rays of sunshine, and unlike Houston, where the clouds are 569 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: still over them, they feel like the sky has cleared 570 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: in jags Land and they're ready to move forward with 571 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson. That's sunny Florida sun I guess that's sunny 572 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: Florida signe. Funny Florida signe. Well played by you? Yeah, 573 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: thank you. I like the analogy, and I was trying 574 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: to run with it. But yes, it feels like there 575 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: is a breath of fresh air kind of coursing through 576 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: the Jags organization and it was exciting to hear about it. 577 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: And the thing about the positivity that it seems to 578 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: be increasing in the sunny Florida sunshine. There the sunny 579 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: Florida sunshine, and the report came out. Shod Khan has 580 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: put on hold the search for an executive vice president 581 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: in this because the first three plus weeks that he's 582 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: had with new head coach Doug Peterson have been so 583 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: productive and so good he didn't want to do anything 584 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: to stimy that and so that tells you things are 585 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: looking better for them, and it's going to be very 586 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: interesting in these next few weeks to see what they 587 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: do to protect their investment in Trevor Lawrence and everything 588 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: else they're building there in Jacksonville. Let's hear more about 589 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars from Mike Dorocco this interview we taped 590 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: here at the Combine with Mike on the Okeefer. Mike, 591 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: when you heard Doug Peterson's name mentioned as a possibility 592 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: to be Jacksonville's coach, did it immediately make sense to you? Yeah? Absolutely, 593 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: because his name as well as Jim Caldwell's name were 594 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: the first two that came up. And I thought, after 595 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: what this franchise has just been through, they need a 596 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: little bit of stability. They need a guy that knows 597 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: what he's doing. They need a guy that's had some 598 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: success in the league, and they need a guy that's 599 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: knows how to win and knows what it is to 600 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: work and coach in the NFL. So I thought either 601 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: one of those two guys would be a home run 602 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: higher for the Jags, and obviously with Doug Peterson, to 603 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: get a guy who not only won a super Bowl, 604 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: but won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles as a 605 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: starting quarterback. And I've seen Nick Foles play the last 606 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: several years, and that might be the biggest notch on 607 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: his resume is winning that Super Bowl with Nick Foles. 608 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: In talking to people kind of around the Jags organization, 609 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: they've said that there's definitely a culture shift that has 610 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: come with Doug Peterson. What have you noticed in whatever 611 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: interactions or dealings you've had with him in a difference 612 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: maybe in his style or the way that things might 613 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: be operating. I think the biggest difference you find is 614 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: not from the front facing people, but the people sorted 615 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, the equipment staff, guys, the support staff people. 616 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they're smiling now, they're happy. They feel the 617 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: energy in the building. You know, it had gotten to 618 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: a point where people didn't almost want to go to work. 619 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: It's when things are as bad as they are and 620 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: there was a feeling. Oh yeah, absolutely, Urban Meyer. Absolutely, 621 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: it's a sense of us versus you. There was a 622 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: sense of division between the football side and the non 623 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: football side, and that's gone away, and people are happy 624 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: to go to work. You can kind of tell there's 625 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: some enthusiasm. There's hope, you know. I think there was 626 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: hope when Urban got hired, but slowly sort of dissipated. 627 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: And then after they open up the season against the 628 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 1: Texans and look totally unprepared, it sort of just went 629 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: out the window. And now there's more hope again and 630 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: again people look back and go, Doug Peterson won a 631 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, so he knows what it takes. And I 632 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: think people are starting to feed off of that. You know, 633 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: you talk about hope, and the hope for the Jacksonville 634 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: Jags right now is Trevor Lawrence. His development in year 635 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: one was a little little up and down. Will say 636 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: it was a little chaotic, absolutely, But what do they 637 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: do in year two? Do you almost have to start 638 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: over from ground zero and build back up with a 639 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: guy like that or is there still some sort of 640 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: a foundation that can be built upon, especially with someone 641 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: like Doug Peterson who's good at doing that. Yeah, And 642 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: I think we have to first answer your question. Yeah, 643 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: I mean I think there is a foundation there absolutely. 644 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the last game of the season against the Colts, 645 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: that's what we all expected Trevor Lawrence to look like 646 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 1: all season, and it's no coincidence that it was without 647 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: urban Meyer and all the distraction and dysfunction that that 648 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: finally emerged. And that's kind of the way you have 649 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: to look at Trevor Lawrence's first season on the field, 650 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: with all the stuff that was going on, all the distractions, 651 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: the dysfunction, and the fact that his two of his 652 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: better receivers got hurt and they really didn't have much 653 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: ammunition offensive playmakers around him at all to begin with, 654 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: and they really couldn't afford to lose a bunch of guys. 655 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: And then you have the whole James Robinson benching. Was 656 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: he benched? Was he not bench? Why was he bench? 657 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: Who benched him? I don't know who, you know, irban Meyer, 658 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: asked the running backs coach. So he kind of kind 659 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: of look at all of that together to kind of 660 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: evaluate the way he played in the season, because you 661 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: saw him come up and stand in front of us 662 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: every week, and his leadership was amazing. I mean, other 663 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: guys weren't coming in there and talking to us and 664 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: explaining what was going on and answering for just the 665 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: unbelievable amount of stuff that's going on there. It fell 666 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: to a rookie one twenty two year old rookie and 667 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: he handled it like a fifteen year vet. So from 668 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: that standpoint, it was tastic. But there's no doubt that 669 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: this kid has all the skills and the priority natal 670 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: was just getting enough people around him to help him develop. 671 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: When Trevor Lawrence stepped up and said something about James 672 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: Robinson when he said we need James Robinson, and then 673 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: the Urban Meyer thing went down and Urban Meyer quits 674 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: or fired or whatever it was. He's gone, and Trevor 675 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: Lawrence continued to speak like, this is what we need 676 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: to have happen. Following on your point was that the 677 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: biggest thing he got done in his rookie season was 678 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: the fact that he showed that he was up to 679 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: the leadership sort of status that a franchise quarterback, the 680 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: face of the franchise has to have to be successful 681 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: one without question. Yeah. I mean even when Urban was 682 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: still there, he's talking about we need we can't have 683 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: distraction anymore. These distractions are bad. This has got to stop. 684 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: We can't win games like this. I didn't expect him 685 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: to do that. I didn't either, you know, because here's 686 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: the thing, He's never had that kind of adversity because 687 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: it was always great in high school. You know, maybe 688 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: he had COVID, you know, in college, but he won 689 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: a national championship, be beat Alabama as a freshman. I mean, 690 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: he won a ton of games. You know, he never 691 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: faced any of that. So the first time he faces 692 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: it is as a rookie in the NFL, where generally 693 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: a lot of rookie players are told just shut up 694 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: and show up. Quarterbacks have to be leaders anyway. But 695 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: the fact that he stood up and put the rest 696 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: of the team on his back and said to them, look, 697 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm your guy, follow me will get through this. I 698 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: think that one if there was any doubt in that 699 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: organization that he could be the guy that absolutely erased it. 700 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: So how do you help Trevor Lawrence? What pieces do 701 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: you need to help him continue to build momentum and 702 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: be successful. Well, they've got to fix some spots on 703 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: the offensive line, especially at left tackle. Whether they decided 704 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: to franchise Cam Robinson, which I don't think is going 705 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: to happen, Whether they put in Walker Little who they 706 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: drafted last year in the second round, or they take 707 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: one of the tackles at number one. That's got to 708 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: be a spot that's solidified, and then the next thing 709 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: is you gotta find him some playmakers. I mean, the 710 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: Jaguars lent the league with thirty three drops and those 711 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: are ESPN stats, and I'll be honest with you, I 712 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: think they were way more lenient on drops than I 713 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: would have been, because I would count it during a 714 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: game and I'd have like six, and then I'd look 715 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: at the stats for me espan and be like three, 716 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, they're a little bit less harsh 717 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: than I am. But the bottom line is they need 718 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: playmakers and they don't have it. Marvin Jones a fine 719 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: receiver at this point in his Career's a number three, 720 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: maybe a number two, and that was the guy last year. 721 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: It's a good draft for receivers. There's some good receivers 722 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: available in free agency. So get this kid some playmakers. 723 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: That's the number one thing. Everything that they do this 724 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: offseason and really every offseason going forward, has to be 725 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: with the mindset of what do we do to make 726 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: Trevor better or what do we do to help him 727 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: be successful? Nine takeaways for the defense? Yeah, that's not 728 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: a lot, is it. And there was an extra game 729 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: that's not a lot. So what are they And I'm 730 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: not making fun you know we did, don't worry about it, 731 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: but no, I mean, hey, we've been there before, and 732 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: I know it all swings around, it's all cyclical. But 733 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: what did they do on defense in free agency and 734 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: the draft to sort of bolster that whole thing? Their 735 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: overall defense wasn't awful, No, it was better than it 736 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: was the year before. Right, they did some They did 737 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: some nice things. And we know Mike called, well, we're 738 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: excited about him. He's a Tennessee Sports Hall of Famer. 739 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: He's from Okrage, Tennessee and played at Middle Tennessee State, 740 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: and so he's a guy that we think highly. I 741 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: don't like he's in the division, but that's okay, um, 742 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: But he's got some things to work with. What else 743 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: needs to be added, Mike for Mike called well to 744 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: work with to improve the defense? Well, it's a it's 745 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: a conundrum here with a number one pick two because 746 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: they need to find a complimentary pass rusher to Josh Allen. 747 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: Because Josh Allen is a good player, but his best 748 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: year came when he had plays Campbell, Unique and Gockway 749 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: with him on the field. So they've got to find 750 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: somebody else to put on the other side. Caleb and Chason, 751 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: who they drafted in the first round two years ago, 752 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: is not it. I think he's got two sacks in 753 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: two years. That's just for the twentieth I think they 754 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: were both against the Titan. It's not good. It's not good. 755 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: So they've got to find a complimentary rusher there. And 756 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: you know, you could do that at one obviously with 757 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: Hutchinson or Thibadeau. And they need to be a little 758 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: bit better at linebacker than they wore. I think the 759 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: secondary you could get by with what they have right now. 760 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 1: I think they're okay at safety, really probably could add 761 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: a corner. But honestly, you know, Damian Wilson, who was 762 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: a free agent or will be a free agent, is 763 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: was their best linebacker last year. Miles Jack had just 764 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: an It wasn't an awful year, but it was not 765 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: a notable year. Like you didn't notice him on the field, 766 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: and that's not good for a guy that the year 767 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: before arguably could have been a Pro Bowler. So they've 768 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: got a fine ways to get him more involved, and 769 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: they've got to get him some help in that linebacker 770 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: because that's probably where they're the weakest on defense. What's 771 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: a trajectory for the Jacksonville Jaguars, Like we are familiar 772 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: with the relationship between the Titans and the Jags, it 773 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: seems that if that's an abusive relationship from the Jaguars, 774 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: it hasn't always know if the Jags are going to 775 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 1: have a bright spot, it's going to come out against 776 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans always. So what is that bright spot? 777 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: What is the reason for optimism for Jags fans? Well, 778 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: you know, the most important thing, as you guys know, 779 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: you got to have the quarterback. And they believe they 780 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: have it, and I think they do as well. I mean, 781 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: you've got the major foundational piece. You've got a coach 782 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: who understands what it's like to a play in the 783 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: league and to be successful and win at a high level. 784 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: And he did something really smart. His quarterbacks coach, his 785 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: passing game coordinator, and the offensive coordinator all former quarterbacks, 786 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: all of them played in college. And he obviously Doug 787 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: Peterson was a long time backup. So he's got the 788 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: support system around Trevor Lawrence. And there are some pieces here, 789 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, Josh Allen, like I mentioned Chat Griff in 790 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: the corner. They feel like they've got a couple of 791 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: young guys at tight end. I'm not so sure I 792 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: agree with that, but you know, James Robson, Travis Etan, 793 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: that's the guy that we don't know what they're going 794 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: to get out of, but that could be a big 795 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: time play or he could be a big time playmaker 796 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: for them. So there's a few pieces here. But I 797 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: think if Jags fans are expecting eight wins in the 798 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: year and then oh they're in the playoffs the year after, 799 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: that's probably a little too optimistic. Even Doug Peterson said, hey, look, 800 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: this is not an overnight fix. They've got to get 801 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: better in a lot of spots. All right, we'll end 802 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: with this. So they have pick one, pick thirty three, 803 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: pick sixty five, and pick seventy, so they get four 804 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: of the top seventy by most estimates right now, fifty 805 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: plus million dollars in cap room. Yes, okay. How aggressive 806 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: are they going to be free agency wise and draft wise? 807 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: Trent Balky the Gems the other day said very aggressive, 808 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: but he also said that last year, and he's a 809 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: value free agent guy, so I don't expect them to 810 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: go after big time, high priced free agents. If they do, 811 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: it'll be one of the wide receivers if they're available. 812 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: Maybe in Allan Robinson. I don't know about Chris Godwin, 813 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: but I don't think there's any way Davante Adams leaves 814 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: Green Bay anyway. But that's beside the point. So they've 815 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: got to be a little bit aggressive at that position 816 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: because if you can fix that spot, you get a 817 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: big time guy in free and so there are two 818 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: guys in free agency, and then you drafted another one 819 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: out of a really good group of receivers. With that 820 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: first pick in the second round, you can get a 821 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: George Pickens or Johan Dotson. I mean, then all of 822 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, you've got some playmakers there for Trevor Lawrence. 823 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: So I think that has to happen for them to 824 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: have successful as all right, that's our last day of 825 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: combine activity. We're gonna head to Nashville. We're gonna have 826 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: another OTP tomorrow, Tuesday, March the eighth, which is very 827 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: exciting because we'll be back. But we still have lots 828 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: of other stuff that we've gathered. Rehet, you covered the 829 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: podiums with the players. Something you really enjoyed. Huh. I 830 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: really enjoyed that because you get a glimpse of being 831 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: able to talk to these young men and you can 832 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: tell the ones who have been polished and trained with 833 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: their public relations folks or their agents in this, but 834 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: some just brutally, blatantly honest and just very raw. You 835 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: just kind of get to see a little bit of 836 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: personality from some of these guys. And there was some 837 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: really good ones in there, and a lot of guys 838 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: that had talked to the Titans. Well, it'll be interested 839 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: to see if they become Titans in the next few weeks. 840 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's entertaining to go from podium to 841 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: podium to talk to these young men. Are you ready 842 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: to go home? One more stop at stake and shake please, 843 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: and then we can go home. All right, We've got 844 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: it all set up for you. I love that. For 845 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: Amy Wells and Brett Bryan, I'm Mike Keith, for our 846 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: friends at Farm Bureau Health Plans. To the OT people, 847 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: we say thank you for listening to the o T 848 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to the big show where the Legends call. 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