1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to an airwave media podcast. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: Washington is unique. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: The opportunity for students is amazing. I wanted to be 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: around that level of excellence. I have a passion for service. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Learn more and apply at WASSOM dot Education. That's WAUSM 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: dot Education. 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome to the very first episode of Who 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: Did What Now? With me? Your host Katie Charlwood, lover 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: of cheese and reader of books. Oh wow, you're thinking 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: that was very smooth for your very first goal, wasn't it? 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: Because this is the third time I've recorded it, so 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: the first time the recording didn't actually take. The second time, 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: turns out I actually got a major fact wrong because 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: all the articles I was looking at regarding one of 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: the topics completely ignored another part of it. So everything 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: I said, but a certain part of it, was wrong. 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: This is a history podcast, which is not your history class. 18 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: If you're under the age of eighteen, I would suggest 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: not listening because there's probably gonna be some profanity. Listener 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: discretion is absolutely advised. So I thought, what would be 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: a really good idea for the very first episode? 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: What could I do? There'd be a nice, light. 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 2: Easy entry in this well, I thought why not talk 24 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: about the nineteen seventy Miss World pageant. But before we 25 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: get into that, I should probably tell you a little 26 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: bit about me. I own a comic book store. I 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: think I'm the only woman in Ireland that currently owns 28 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: a comic book store. I could be wrong, but I'm 29 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: most in the middle of a pandemic, so very soon 30 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: I could be wrong depending on how this goes. Small 31 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: business owner, but I am also jack of all trades, 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: master of one. Maybe I'm technically a social scientist. I 33 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: have a degree in social science, so I'm mainly focused 34 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: on history, sociology, and a little bit of psychology. So 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: that's kind of where I'm my main sort of focus 36 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 2: of topics were. And I've come to learn about myself 37 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: that I am a boring person with an interesting past, and. 38 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I love history. I love history. 39 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: I found we're either taught ancient history and we're usually 40 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: told it as in fact date date, event, date, event, 41 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: and there is no real flavor to it. And then 42 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: even with modern history, which I found is from like 43 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: eighteen seventy to nineteen seventy, it's a lot of dates, 44 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: repetition and regurgitation, and it's not fun history is not boring. 45 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of it's depressing, but it's not boring. 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: There's really interesting stuff that happened throughout history. And yes, 47 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: I did create this podcast just so I could talk 48 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: about stuff I like. It's mainly so I can talk 49 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: about I think they're technically called grape bricks because I'm 50 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: gonna talk about greape bricks. Greape bricks are my jam 51 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: but I've been calling them wine blocks for years, but 52 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: they are my favorite thing in all of history. 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: It's just human ingenuity at its best. 54 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: I love it so much, and we will cover it 55 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: at some point, just not today, because today we're gonna 56 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: cover the most digestible thing to talk about, a beauty 57 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: pageant and a feminist uprising and racial equality because those 58 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: those are not those are not divisive subjects at all. 59 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: Good choice, Kery, good choice. 60 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: So I guess we should probably just jump into it now. 61 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: So here's the thing about beauty pageants. 62 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: I love beauty pageants. I love them. 63 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: I love them. 64 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: I love pageants in general. I think they're really fascinating. 65 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: I love movies about pageants and TV shows like It's 66 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: the only reason I watched Insatiable, which was not good 67 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: I felt like it had key elements which could have 68 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 2: been great if utilized correctly, but he was the delivery 69 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: was bad, just bad. I actually do some pro bono 70 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: work for a small Irish pageant, which is not a 71 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: beauty pageant. It's it does get compared to the Lovely 72 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: Girls competition from Father Ted quite a bit, but it's 73 00:04:58,800 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: not that either. 74 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: It's it's its own thing. 75 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: I think when something is its own thing, it's very 76 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: difficult to compare it. 77 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: To anything else. And we were get annoyed by that. 78 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: But anyway, so we're talking about. 79 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 2: The nineteen seventeen Miss World contest where it was disrupted 80 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: by feminism. Well, let's go back in time away. So 81 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: the Miss World contest actually started in nineteen fifty one. 82 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: It is the longest running beauty pageant in the world, 83 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: and it's one of the top four Miss Universe, which 84 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: died a year after Miss Earth, which is it has 85 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: more environmental concerns, it deals with that, and there's another 86 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: one whose name I don't remember, and then Miss World. 87 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: So Miss World has created nineteen fifty one and is 88 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: part of the Festival of Britain by Eric Morley, who's 89 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: part of the He runs the Meca Leisure Group, and 90 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: he did it because he was like, I want to 91 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 2: get people into. 92 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: My dance halls, because that's what he did. 93 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: In the fifties. We didn't have nightclubs. You had dance 94 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: halts and that's where you went, and everybody in your 95 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 2: had to dance. 96 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: And I would like that. 97 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: I would love to have had to learn to dance 98 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: to go do dancing instead of just like weirdly shimmying 99 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: from side to side like we did in the two 100 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: and the late two thousands. 101 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: Just like what did you do? 102 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: Oh, I just swayed from side to side to whatever 103 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: song was playing, did a little bit of herography, just 104 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: like swinging my hair about. But anyway, it was initially 105 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: part of it was it was created to promote the 106 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: bikini because it was there had That's the reason the 107 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: swimsuit part is actually a major part of it. It 108 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: took me a long time to figure out why the 109 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: swimsuit was relevant and to think if I had just 110 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: looked it up, I wear it now and I'm still 111 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: not keen on it. I'm not keen on it, but 112 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: it's fine. So and it was all about promoting swimwear 113 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: in the bikini, which i'd just been invented or at 114 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: least had been discovered by white people. So the very 115 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: first year, you know, the winner was actually crowned in 116 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: a bikini, which I don't think has happened since, and 117 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: it caused such a scene at the time that bikinis 118 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: were actually banned then. So the whole point it was existed. 119 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: Bikinis within banned for years. So the media dub it 120 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: Miss World because all these contestants, these beautiful women from 121 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: all these different countries were involved. And the following year, 122 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: when he heard Eric Morley heard that Miss Universe was 123 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: being created, he then registered Miss World and it's been 124 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: called that ever since. So the Miss World contest is 125 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: absolutely no stranger to controversy. 126 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: But the one I want. 127 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: To talk about is the nineteen seventy Miss World contest. 128 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: The nineteen seventy Miss World pageant was. 129 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: A wild ride. The funny thing is about it, even 130 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: though this event. 131 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: Was fifty years ago, it just shows you that how 132 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: much and how little has actually changed since then. And 133 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: it's a really interesting point in time because it's where 134 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: all these major events in history were overlapping. So you've 135 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: got the So it's the era of apartheid in South Africa, 136 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: and you've got the women's liberation movement not only in 137 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: the UK but all over the world. And then of 138 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: course you've got a civil rights movement in the US, 139 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: and all of these come crashing together in this moment. 140 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: And what I found really interesting is one of the 141 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: main points of why why the nineteen seventy Miss World 142 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: was so important, And it's a point. It's actually a 143 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: major turning point in history, and it's very rarely mentioned. 144 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: I didn't even know anything about it until I watched 145 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: a movie Misbehavior. 146 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: With Kiaren Knightley. I'm terrible. 147 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: I cannot watch Bend It like Beckham because every time 148 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: I watch Bend It like Beckham, I really want to 149 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: start playing football. 150 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: It just makes me want to exercise. Every time I watch. 151 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: That movie, I probably should watch that movie. I'd probably 152 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: get more done. So from about nineteen fifty nine, the 153 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: Miss World contest was actually televised and it was probably 154 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: one of the most watched events on live TV by 155 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy. So in nineteen seventy you had twenty million 156 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: people in the UK watching, and there was like one 157 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: hundred million worldwide, and population wise, that's a fair amount, 158 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: and that's watching it live. But right here, right now, 159 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: November twentieth, nineteen seventy. The reason I remember the debate 160 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: is because it's my birthday. So, oh my god, I 161 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: totally forgot Miss Universe. Miss Universe actually Eggs was owned 162 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: by Donald Trump, which I vaguely remember reading about before. 163 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's just anyway. 164 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: Miss World was controversial from the get go. I mean 165 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: before the contest even started. There was a huge uproar 166 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: because for the first time, South Africa had sent two contestants, one. 167 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Black, one white. 168 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: The organizers were effectively shamed into sending Pearl Johnson, a 169 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: black women women of color at the last minute because 170 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: South Africa had already provided a white contestant, Jillian Jessop. 171 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: So South Africa had. 172 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: Consistently sent white contestants the entire time, and so Jillian 173 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: Jessup was Miss South Africa and Peeril Pearl Johnson was 174 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: Miss Africa South. 175 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: So Miss South Africa and in. 176 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: Miss Africa South actually became really good friends after this, 177 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: but it was still a big controversy at the time. Okay, 178 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: apartheid for those who don't know, apartheid was an official 179 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: policy by the South African government from and it ran 180 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: from nineteen forty eight to nineteen ninety four, and it 181 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: was a policy of racial segregation in white supremacy. So 182 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: most people have heldly heard about Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandela 183 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: was a political activist. The South African government would call 184 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: him a terrorist at the time, and he was imprisoned 185 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 2: and Nelson Mandela went on to become the very first 186 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: black president of South Africa. I learned who Nelson Mandela 187 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: was because he met with the Spice Girls. The women's 188 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: liberation movement was sort of gaining speed all over the world. 189 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: It had the BBC, as you know, the BBC, the BBC, 190 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: the British Broadcasting Company whatever. 191 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: So the BBC van are. 192 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: All outside and ABBC van gets bombed. Nobody's injured, nobody's 193 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: nobody's dead, nobody's hurt. It was basically the Women's Love 194 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: movement trying to stop the televising of the event. They 195 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: had an idea that something was going to happen, the 196 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: contestants didn't. Contestants were completely oblivious. It was very much 197 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: hidden from them. The Miss Sweden that year she even 198 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: said that no one had any idea nineteen seventy, women 199 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: were still expected to be the homemaker. 200 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't too long before. 201 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: That that women got the right to vote. Because remember 202 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: when women originally got the right to vote, it was 203 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: some women. 204 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: And you had to be rich, you had. 205 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: To be married, you had to like own land. 206 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: You would be a woman, you'd be married. 207 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: You know, rich white women. Rich white women were able 208 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: to vote. That was the That was the initial initial step. 209 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: And then you needed your husband's permission to open a 210 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: bank account. You know, you couldn't get medical procedures done 211 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: without your husband. I mean, this was still a time 212 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: where if you got married, you were expected to quit 213 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: your job, go home and become a housewife. It was 214 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: very much that nuclear family sort of situation. 215 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: You had to be this. 216 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: But they were also against another thing they were against 217 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: was this. I heard this idealization of beaury and that 218 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: a woman's worth is related to how she looks. What 219 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: you say this was. 220 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's certainly not a problem now, for fuck's sake. 221 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: So back to the night and Hant. November twentieth, nineteen seventy, 222 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: hundreds of women's liberation protesters had infiltrated the Royal Albert Hall. 223 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: You're thinking, how did they get in? 224 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: Did they dig their way in allow the great escape? 225 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: Did they crawl in through some air ducts or whatever 226 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: the hell they had back in the back in the day. No, no, no, 227 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: they bought tickets. And this is the part that the 228 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy Miss World contest is known for. Like if 229 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: it is known for anything, it's known for this. Bob Hope, 230 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: aged comedian Bob Hope was on stage. He was back 231 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: even after quote unquote an incident with one of the 232 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: one of the contestants many years earlier. So Bob Hope, 233 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: we don't know who he has Google, I'm I can't 234 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: be arked. So he is on stage being a sexist act. 235 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: I mean, he's so used to saying whatever in his 236 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: circle and getting away with it because you know, misogyny, 237 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: misogyny was just part of the parcel. 238 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: You know, that was just how things were. 239 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: And if she's making generally demeaning comments about the contestants, 240 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: about their looks, and you know, that sort of smarmy, 241 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: a little bit dirty kind of joke, and he's gone 242 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: around doing his fucking shit and whoop, probably for the 243 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: first time in his life flower bomb, like baking flower 244 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: not not like bouquets. They weren't like throwing dandelions at 245 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, ha ha, you're gonna piss the bed tonight, Bob. 246 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: No, it was. It was like flour, baking flour. And 247 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: they had those those rattles, the football rattles. Might keep 248 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: doing the movement. I'm doing the spinning movement with my hand, 249 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: the clicking clack, so it's a clacking. 250 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: Spinner and it makes a lot of noise, and Bob 251 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: freaks out because he thinks that, you know, it's it's 252 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: it's a spark. He thinks it's like a firecracker sound, 253 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: so he thinks it's a bomb bomb, and you know, 254 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: he just so he freaks out and runs off stage. 255 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: So the protesters pissed off. You know, they're unhappy about 256 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: the objectification of women, and they wanted to send a 257 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: clear message about the fucking misogyny. So flower haw and 258 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: stink bombs away. I read this consistently two ways. The 259 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: first is that they had planned to cause a commotion 260 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: during the swimsuit parade, and in another states that they 261 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: never wanted to embarrass or upset the women taking part. 262 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: They were always planning to, you know, go for the 263 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: entertainment section. There's controversy number two, controversy number three, come 264 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: in your way, Miss Wheden. Marjorie Crystal Johansen was tipped 265 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: to one but ended up being like the fourth of 266 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: She didn't even know that the protesters were there until 267 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: after the pageant. But she also said that nobody from 268 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: the Women's Liberation Movement actually thought to contact the women involved, 269 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: although who's to say they didn't, because if they did try, 270 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: the organizers of the event were very good, quite clearly 271 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: cutting you know, the interior group of girls off from 272 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: the rest of the scenario. 273 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: Smithswedin said that, you know, in Sweden that they. 274 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: Were a bit more they were already going about the rights, 275 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: were a bit more equal, they were going forward, you know, 276 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: they felt like they were a bit more advanced. She 277 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: doesn't understand why they didn't just come talk to her. 278 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: I mean, she could just be blown smoke out of ours. 279 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: We don't know. 280 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: And she said that, you know, they wanted the same things, 281 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: but they were just going about it differently. But then 282 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: another interview with her says that they didn't care about 283 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: what the girls wanted or the contestants wanted. They were 284 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: just wanted to make their opinion and it didn't matter, 285 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: which is where I made the mistake before. So anyway, 286 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: Miss World had been running for nineteen years, and in 287 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: those nineteen years, there had never been a black winner. 288 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: Like initially when I recorded this, I had record or 289 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: did that, I had stated that the winner had always 290 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 2: been white, and that was incorrect. That was that was 291 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: incorrect because Ritafaria was the first Indian winner, and I 292 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: think she was in I think that was nineteen sixty five. 293 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: I think it was in the sixties. I think it 294 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: was sixty five. I'll have to double check, and there 295 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: was an Egyptian winner. Here's what I'm gonna say. 296 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: I went back and I had a little look. 297 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: I went back and I had a little look at 298 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: all the contestants and who had won all the winners, 299 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: because there's photo lists of you know, all the winners 300 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: of Miss World. 301 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: And I went through them all. 302 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: And when I noticed about that those first at least 303 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: those first nineteen years, is that every single winner, even 304 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: the ones that were not European looking, it was still 305 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: very much a eurocentrised version of beauty. If you've ever 306 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: seen a carry on film. What I noticed was in 307 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: this a lot of the women looked like the exotic 308 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: beauties in a carry on film. 309 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: It's it's Coco bananas. 310 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: They're just carry on films are are there are very 311 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: much a moment in time. They are a time capsule 312 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: of the opinions and events of the era, and they 313 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: tend to be there's there's brown face and blackface and 314 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: misogyny and and you know it's it's it's not good anyway, 315 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: carry on Screaming, which has the least amount of that, 316 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: surprisingly is it's actually it's actually the best carry on film. 317 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: I will fight anybody who says otherwise. 318 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: Jim Dale is a delight. 319 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: Jim Dale you may know as the narrator from Pushing Daisies, 320 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: or he did the American narration of the of the 321 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: hy Potter audiobooks fun fact. Oh goodness, I hope he's 322 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: still alive. Is he still? If Corona kills Jim Dale, 323 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: I'm coming for you, bitches. Anyway, back to the story 324 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: in hand, I went in a big segue there. 325 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: So yeah. 326 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: So Rareafaria, as far as I can tell, well, she 327 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: lives in Dublin. How she's a doctor and she lives 328 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: in Dublin and Miss World was never the end goal 329 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: for a lot of women. Miss World was a stepping stone. 330 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: You'll find this a lot with a lot of beauty pageants. 331 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: Is that a lot of people do not see that 332 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: as an end goal. They see it as a stepping 333 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: stone towards the end goal. A lot of people have 334 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: used it to progress their careers, whether they were models, actresses, 335 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: I mean did Preanka Chopra was was as Miss World, 336 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: Michelle Yo was in Miss World. Ah, there's loads of Peoplesanna, 337 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 2: Rosanna Dawson. Rosanna Dawson was Christoperg's daughter. 338 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: Rosanna was a was. 339 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: One Miss World one year and people were like, she 340 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: only won it because it Christo Burgh's daughter. It's like 341 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: nobody likes the song lady and read that much. It's fine. So, 342 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: like I said, everyone was very everyone was light skinned. 343 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: I'll say that there was no black winner. 344 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: Until that night, like I do not want to. 345 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: So when I initially recorded this, I said that every 346 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: winner up until and those nineteen years had been white, 347 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: and that was that was erasure. That was my own 348 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: fault for not looking up and which is why I've 349 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: re recorded this for the third fucking time, because I 350 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: did consider just going oh when I said this, I 351 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: meant this, or I found out this and had little 352 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: addendum on it. But these people deserve more than this. 353 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: So that night, November twentieth, nineteen seventy, for the first 354 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: time in history, a black woman was crowned Miss World. 355 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: Fun fat Unless you look up specifically this incident, it's 356 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: actually difficult to find the first black woman to be 357 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: crowned in Miss World. I looked it up and like 358 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 2: even they have like a little list of their first 359 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: African winner, the first American, the first African American winner, 360 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: the first Indian womer, the first East Asian winner. They 361 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: have that, but nowhere, nowhere in. 362 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: Their list is. 363 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: Miss Grenada Jennifer Hosten. If I've pronounced her name wrong, 364 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. One thing I have learned. I used 365 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: to be so bad for this when I was younger, 366 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: but never mock someone for being unable to pronounce something, 367 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: because it means they learned it by reading it and 368 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: not hearing it. 369 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: And that's the difference. 370 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: Not only did Jennifer Hosten win Miss World, but Miss 371 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: Africa South Pearl jan was first runner up, so she 372 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: was second place and this was unprecedented, like having two 373 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: black women at the top of this in general white 374 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: dominated you know pageant. 375 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: Where European looks were the bomb. 376 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 2: It was just bananas was it was coco pop. So 377 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 2: a little history about the winner, The first black winner 378 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: of Miss World, Jennifer Houston So. She was born in 379 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: Grenada in nineteen forty seven. She studied in London, worked 380 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 2: for the BBC Caribbean Radio service and then went on 381 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: to be a flight attendant probably would have been called 382 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: an air hostess back in the day, but now flight attendant. 383 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: After winning Miss World, she went on the USO Tour 384 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: with Bob Hope and after getting married, she moved to Canada. 385 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 2: Earned a master's degree in Arts and Political science WOO 386 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: and Internet relations cheer for political sciences, international relations and 387 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: from Carlton University, Ottawa. 388 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: She has two kids, a son and a daughter. 389 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: She goes on to become a Canadian diplomat and. 390 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: As far as I know now, but did Jennifer stop there? 391 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: No, No, she becomes a diplomat and then what hah? 392 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: And then she gets a master's in counseling and currently 393 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: as far as I know, is working as a therapist 394 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: and she's. 395 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: Got five grandkids. She has in all, and she published. 396 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: A memoir which I have ordered, but it still hasn't 397 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: delivered yet because of the pandemic. But I didn't want 398 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 2: to wait too long before recording my first episode because clearly, 399 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: clearly I. 400 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: Needed the practice. 401 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: Pearl Johnson, who came second, her life didn't really change 402 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: much well because of dun Dandan apartheid. She was back 403 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: living in a township, back in segregated South Africa, and 404 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: she lost her machinist job and everyone thought she was 405 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: rich because you know, she came second in this world, 406 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: so it didn't really help her. But she did get 407 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: her dream eventually, because when because at the age of 408 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: fifty eight, she got her dream job and she became 409 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: a singer. 410 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: Again. 411 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: We're gonna go back to the night in question. I 412 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: just wanted to take a minute to tell you about 413 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: the top two winners. They're sort of discounted and not 414 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: really mentioned enough in history, and I think it's far 415 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: too easy to focus on the issues of the contest 416 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: instead of the women involved, because there are still people. 417 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: And I think it's too easy to ignore the people 418 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: who get involved because a lot of people use it 419 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 2: as a steppingstone. But no, I'm not gonna go into 420 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: rant it right now. 421 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: Anyhow. 422 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: So Miss Sweden was you know, she was tipped to win. 423 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: She was a favorite. 424 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: She was she was blonde, she was blue eyed, she 425 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: was the beautiful. 426 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: She had legs for dys This is why I shouldn't 427 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: do acts anyway. So Grenada's first Miss Africa South the second, 428 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: and the audience members go wild, the good, the good, stiff, 429 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: upper up British public. 430 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: What do they do for? 431 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: They stomp outside and they congregate in the street and 432 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: they start chanting. 433 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: Sweet done, Sweet done, Sweet done. 434 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: I don't know why I made them sound German. I 435 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: mean maybe they were just Abba fans. 436 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: It was Aba around. Yet it doesn't matter. I'm keeping 437 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: it in. 438 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: So next thing, you know, it's all chaos in the media, 439 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: So the BBC, in the newspapers are always even complaints 440 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: and accusations about the results, and there's racism from both sides. 441 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: So daily shit Rag the Sun said that Miss Granada's 442 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: victory was a conspiracy by black members of the judging panel. 443 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: All right, So the Prime Minister of Grenada was on 444 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: the judging panel and so people were thinking, oh, it 445 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: was probably round because he was on it. They even 446 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: touched on that and in the movie, in the movie 447 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: Misbehavior with Miss Cornetty. But there was loads of judges, 448 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: so a lot of the judges were from other participating countries. 449 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: Oh, there was more than. 450 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: One black judge here, ago the black person one. Oh, 451 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: the whites. 452 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: Are being oppressed here. 453 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: So the main issue was like a lot of people 454 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: didn't understand the voting system. So Grenada got two first 455 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: Plaze votes and Sweden got four first Plaze votes and this. 456 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: Is out of nine people. 457 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: But Miss the point system is probably closer to like 458 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: proportional representation than it is a first past the post system. 459 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: So hosting Miss Grenada got more second, third, fourth, and 460 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: fifth markings than all the other finalists, so. 461 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: All in all, she had more points at the end 462 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: than the other finalists had. 463 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 2: So due to this controversy, Julia Morley, Eric Martley's wife, 464 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: had to resign from her position at in a Miss World. 465 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 2: People just couldn't understand the voting system and they thought 466 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: it was rigged and whatever. Her voting husband, Eric had 467 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: to physically show the voting cards and explain the voting 468 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: system to show that it hadn't been some nefarious scheme. 469 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: Because he showed up with the receipts, Julia was able 470 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: to skip back into her job. 471 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: Again like nothing had happened. Hooray for nipotism. 472 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: Like I said, for a lot of these women, it's 473 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: not just Miss World. I mean for some it is 474 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: this is the pinnacle of their career. This is what 475 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: they want. This is a goal they want to achieve completely. 476 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: And for others it's a stepping stone to other things. 477 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: Miss Granada Jennifer Holsten. 478 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: Said that Miss Africa South Pearl Johnson said to her, 479 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: winning the contest was about more than just representing their countries. 480 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: It was about breaking. 481 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: The barriers of Eurocentric. 482 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: Beauty standards and norms. 483 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 2: Like I said, even even the women who were not white, 484 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: the women of color that they did have, were still 485 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: very much what the European standard of exotic. I hate 486 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: that term, Like the only thing that should be exotic 487 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: is your fruit. Okay, people are not exotic fruit is 488 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: But that's the man from del Monte says, fucking no, 489 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: I don't ever been a Native American winner of Miss World. 490 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: Actually I'm gonna have to look it up. But here's 491 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: the thing. Black is beautiful brown is beautiful, white or beautiful. 492 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: I mean, we're kind of we're kind of peachy beige. 493 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: But I say that as the human equivalent of man is. 494 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: And I don't want to see any other colors because 495 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: it's just been dismissive and racist and I'm not I'm 496 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: not here for any of that bullshit. So I was 497 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: looking through articles about Miss World and like the first 498 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: ABC whinner the first day when I or so on 499 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: and so forth, but there was no mention of Jennifer 500 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: Houstin at all. And for the record, the reason I'm 501 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: saying black so much is because I kept saying women 502 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: of color throughout when I when the first and second 503 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: time I recorded this, I kept saying women of color, 504 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: and so I completely erased other winners like a fucking dick. 505 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: And there's the thing. 506 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 2: The women's liberation movement, the women's liberation disruption of the 507 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: event basically overshadowed what was, you know, the first black 508 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: women to win Miss World. I mean, in fairness, they 509 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: had no idea it was going to. 510 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: Be such a historic event. I mean, if your feminism 511 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: isn't intersectional, it isn't feminism, and you can fuck right off, 512 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: thank you very much. I mean. 513 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: So here's the thing I was trying to look up 514 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 2: saying if there was ever a Native American Miss World, 515 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: and as far as I can tell, there wasn't. 516 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: If there was, just tweet me let me know. So 517 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: there's no. 518 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: Transgender, no openly gay, no queer women. This is who wow. See, 519 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 2: this is why Miss World really needs to get with 520 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: the times. Oh my god, I forgot to mention right, 521 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: So the bikini was banned. It's like a lot of 522 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: countries with religious reasons and traditions. They basically said they 523 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: weren't going to send any women to it in the 524 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: future because of the bikini situation, which is probably why 525 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: the second year of Miss World had like the least 526 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: amount of people. But the Pope even was like, mmmm, 527 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,479 Speaker 2: none of this stuff, so he was outspoken against it, 528 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: so that got taken away. So basically, when you got 529 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 2: crowned is Miss World, you would wear a swimsuit, so 530 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: they would wear like modest swimwear, and then in nineteen 531 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: seventy six, it was when you got in nineteen seventy six, 532 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: they were like evening gowns, which is why now everyone 533 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: gets crowned in an evening gown. 534 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: So at one point bikinis. 535 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: Were allowed back in I think, but then in twenty 536 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: thirteen because it was in Balle, they had to wear 537 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: they had to wear like a really modest swimsuit with 538 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: a traditional srong because you know, for you know, out 539 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: of respect. But apart from that, it's like, I think 540 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: the very first winner is like the only one ever 541 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: to be ever to be crowned in a bikini. So yeah, 542 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: basically late seventies, early eighties, Julia Morley comes up with 543 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 2: the idea of beauty with a purpose, so it adds 544 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: sort of bits about intelligence and personality, so it wasn't 545 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: just look at the pretty girl and a pretty little 546 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: swimicit and it's like, but if you ever seen those 547 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: some of the questions where they asked them really complicated 548 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: politic questions and they have to respond in what is 549 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 2: probably the most placid answers they can possibly give while 550 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: still sounding intelligent but not too intelligent. Here's the thing, 551 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: it's not really broadcast anywhere that much anymore. It's it 552 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: used to be on the BBC, but they stopped because 553 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: they were like, eh, it's it's sort of it was 554 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: out of fashion. BBC quick broadcasting it then I think 555 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: Sky had it for a bit and then Channel five 556 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: and after that, I don't know. I don't care. So 557 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: Miss World organization it basically it's it's raised about over 558 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty million pounds for charities, and it's. 559 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: A private company. 560 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: It's franchised in like one hundred countries. So so I mean, 561 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: if it can afford to raise and give away two 562 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million pounds for I mean one, that's 563 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 2: a tax right off. In two it is a drop 564 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: in the ocean to what they must be making. You know, 565 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 2: like that's too much. Think about how much they have 566 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: to be making an order to have that. But in general, 567 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 2: but that's that's how much we know because, like I mean, Inverness, 568 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 2: they could give more, but because it's a private company, 569 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: we can't really officially get the numbers of what their 570 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 2: chargeable contributions are. More controversy with Miss World gonna I'm 571 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: gonna go about this very bit. Nineteen seventy three, the winner, 572 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 2: Marjorie Wallace, was stripped of her title because she failed 573 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 2: to fulfill. 574 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: The basic requirements of the job. 575 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: So they got the one of the runners up to 576 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: take her place, but didn't give her the title. Effectively, 577 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: Marjorie was engaged to a racing car driver but ended up, 578 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: you know, spending some quality time with Welsh crooner Tom Jones. 579 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 2: I mean, who wouldn't who doesn't love the Welsh, who 580 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 2: doesn't love the Welsh? And then her fiance ends up 581 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: dying and she stripped of the title. I mean, it 582 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: was just bad luck for her all round. There was 583 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: a winner, I think it was in the sixties, the 584 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 2: winner of Miss World had her title. 585 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: She was dethroned. 586 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 2: Her title was stripped from her because they discovered she 587 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 2: had an eighteen month old child and was unmarried. Although 588 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the rules at the time for being 589 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 2: in this world were that you had to be unmarried. 590 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, effectively, there was like a morality clause in this. 591 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: So Marjorie before she had done it, and then this 592 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: winner whose name I count remember, it's. 593 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: Gonna bug me so much, she had it. 594 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 2: So yeah. Nineteen seventy six, countries started to boycott the 595 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: pageant because South Africa kept sending, kept sending like two contestants, 596 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, Miss South Africa, Miss Africa South, one black. 597 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 1: One white. 598 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 2: So South Africa competed for the very life time in 599 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,959 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven, and it didn't come back until after 600 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 2: apartheid disintegrated in nineteen eighty one. Gabriella Broom miss Germany. 601 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 2: She won but actually had to resign one day after winning. 602 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: My boffriend does not agree with me, meaning or doesn't 603 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 2: she said. Her boyfriend disapproved of it at the time, 604 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 2: but turns out she was Actually she posed nude because 605 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 2: apparently being in a bikini is fine. 606 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: You know, but seeing a nipple is not fine. 607 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: For some reason, she posed naked for a magazine and 608 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: as such she quit instead of having it blasted all 609 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: over the papers. And two thousand and two, so basically, 610 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: in two thousand and two it was supposed to be 611 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: held in Nigeria. But there was a woman Amina lal I. 612 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: Hope I've said that right. She was. She was basically 613 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: waiting to be stoned for adultery, for having a child 614 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: outside of wedlock. At so Catherine Storland of Norway and 615 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 2: other contestants just decided they were like, no, I'm not 616 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 2: being involved in this, so I mean a la Wal 617 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: She was, I'm so sorry I have probably butchered her name. 618 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: She said that. 619 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: Instead of boycotting they could use their power and influence 620 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 2: to shed light and show what was happening in help 621 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: her cause. And in the end, that's that's basically what happened. 622 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: I mean, she was she got some there were some 623 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: great human rights lawyers involved, and effectively she gets off. 624 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: So like literally just like country after country started boycott 625 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: and they were like. 626 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: Oh, not doing this. 627 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: The last sort of controversy I can find is Miss 628 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 2: World twenty fifteen. Anastacial Lund who was Miss World Canada 629 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: couldn't get a travel visa for China and missed the deadline, 630 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: so she was declared a persona no grata by the 631 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 2: Chinese embassy in Ottawa because she openly criticized China's. 632 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: Human rights violations. 633 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: So she actually ended up being able to play, so 634 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: she was allowed to compete in Miss World twenty sixteen 635 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: because they were like, ah, maybe not so that's Miss World. 636 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: So finally, the women's liberation movement, like there was rumblings 637 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 2: about it, it wasn't huge, but then when this went together. 638 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 2: So but because of this, because then you know, the 639 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 2: flour bombs, the stink bombs, the water pistols, the click 640 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 2: of the clackers and all the stuff. They had going 641 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 2: on at the time they ended up. You know, it 642 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 2: actually brought publicity to the cause that they just didn't 643 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 2: have before. So the Women's Liberation March in nineteen seventy 644 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: one was much bigger than they ever thought it was 645 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 2: going to be because people were so aware and they 646 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,720 Speaker 2: were still you know, they were still you know, hopped 647 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 2: up from you know, what they did at Miss World, 648 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 2: because that's a fucking huge thing to do on a 649 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 2: nation international stage, you know what I mean, And so 650 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 2: which really helped, you know, kickstart things for the women's 651 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 2: rights movements. For that what I think what was that 652 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 2: second wave of feminism in the UK. 653 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna lead you with this. 654 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: See, I think this world for what it was at 655 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 2: the time, was fine for what it was in the fifties. 656 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 2: In its inception, it hasn't really grown that much. And 657 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 2: I think it's fine having a purpose, but it needs 658 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 2: to be open. I mean, I think it's insane that 659 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 2: there's no openly gay people in beauty pageants. Why everybody 660 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: has to have flowing locks of voluminous hair, or why 661 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 2: it's very much this cookie cutter style of beauty, like 662 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: even though they're so it's like they're very different, but 663 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 2: there are certain components that are very much the same. 664 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. 665 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 2: Beauty queens should be plus sized, they should be gay, 666 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 2: they should be rainbow haired and beautiful. They're beautiful regardless 667 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 2: of your skin color or your color or Granted, beurty 668 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 2: is in the eye of the beholder, but I really 669 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 2: don't think the beholder has to be men all the 670 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 2: fucking time or what men think is beautiful. 671 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: If your feminism isn't intersectional, then it ain't feminism. 672 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 2: You're just an asshole who's self serving, and I am 673 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 2: dumb with your bullshit. 674 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 675 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 2: No, I've dealt with too many swerves and turfs recently 676 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: for this fucking nonsense. But I would love to see 677 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 2: so I'm gonna leave you on a happy note before 678 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 2: because otherwise I'm gonna get angry. Some of my favorite 679 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 2: stuff to do with pageants are some pageant movies that 680 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 2: are amazing, drop dead gorgeous. Oh, I love it so much. 681 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 2: I love it so much. Anything with Kirsten Dunst in 682 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 2: the two thousands is generally gold. It is perfection and 683 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 2: it is worth watching, and it is a dark comedy. 684 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 2: It is so good. 685 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: It warms my heart. Miscongeniality. 686 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 2: Also, yes, why are all the movies about pagiant? It's 687 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 2: comedies anyway, Dumpling on Netflix. 688 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to watch it. It is so good. 689 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: It is, it is, it is. I cried. 690 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 2: I cried watching it, and like, ah, but so those those. 691 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,919 Speaker 1: You should watch, those don't watch. In sentiuable it's not good. 692 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: I was hoping it was going to be good. 693 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 2: It has so many work, it has so many great actors, 694 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 2: It has so many interesting points that it could have made. 695 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 2: It just feels like it consistently missed the mark and 696 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,720 Speaker 2: then went second start to the writing straight on until morning. 697 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 2: I will not watch toddlers and tiurs. I think it's 698 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 2: creepy to do that to babies. 699 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but no. 700 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm going to go before I go on to 701 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 2: some big angry feminist rant. So adios au 702 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: Revoir and of vas my friends, farewell