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Speaker 1: we're going to talk cowboys. We're not talking cowboys. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk cowboys, even though we've got Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: from Talking Cowboys. Thanks for a very different show. Thanks
Speaker 1: for filling in. How's it different, you know, different personalities,
Speaker 1: a lot less grumpy. Yes, how different, Bro, It's again,
Speaker 1: different different personalities, different, different folks, happier folks. Maybe, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I was just saying a little bit more hair
Speaker 1: over here. Yeah that's true. Yeah, all right, Well everybody's well.
Speaker 1: Derek's still out. He's he's one that's out. I think
Speaker 1: he's in Las Vegas or something work related. But Rob,
Speaker 1: you just got back from a trip. Dave was last
Speaker 1: week going all over Texas. I was traveling to Amber.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been anywhere this month. I
Speaker 1: know you were chilling. Well, bully for you. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm I'm don't ask me what I do
Speaker 1: during the off season. That's my new like like like
Speaker 1: you make small talk with people and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you do in the off season? It's sust
Speaker 1: it sucks to answer that because you've got an answer,
Speaker 1: but nobody really understands it. So it's just kind of like,
Speaker 1: this must be a really easy time, and you know,
Speaker 1: for it's really not false. It's not And you always
Speaker 1: say the off season ends like right now, so that's
Speaker 1: a comforting thought. We're only like halfway through, but once
Speaker 1: you get the draft time traveling. We've got what OTA's
Speaker 1: coming up next month. People people like to roll their
Speaker 1: eyes at this, but like, starting from the day the
Speaker 1: draft starts, every week after that there is a football
Speaker 1: related activity happening until training camp. Well, and then I
Speaker 1: mean they take June off from but from from early
Speaker 1: May until the end of June, there's dudes out on
Speaker 1: the field doing football stuff at least once a week
Speaker 1: for the for two months, like they're off season is
Speaker 1: basically over for all intents and purposes. Well, Rob, but
Speaker 1: you got a little bit smarter yesterday. That's the way
Speaker 1: I always been. This happens briefly kind of explained where
Speaker 1: you went to Florida and what's going on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: went down to South Florida. Kent Garrison as well interviewed
Speaker 1: a legend former Cowboys head coach Bill Parcels for a
Speaker 1: Deep Blue that we're doing and what August doing. He's
Speaker 1: doing great. He's seventy six years old now, which he
Speaker 1: told me that, and I was It just didn't strike
Speaker 1: me that he's that age because you think about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: he left the Cowboys he was mid sixties, but he's
Speaker 1: fully into retirement. He has thirteen horses. He's training horses
Speaker 1: now raising him. You said it was a training him,
Speaker 1: which my uncle used to do that, and that's not cheap.
Speaker 1: But he's got some money, so you know he's doing it.
Speaker 1: It was a hard out, you said, ten forty five
Speaker 1: he had to go. Was it like golf? He looked
Speaker 1: golf he was, He was dressed. He was golf. He
Speaker 1: dressed for sure. I don't know for sure what he
Speaker 1: was up at. Probably golf. He lives down there and
Speaker 1: enjoys it. Um. We had a good visit. We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna document the O three season, his first year
Speaker 1: in Dallas and how he kind of changed the culture
Speaker 1: and how I think it's still there's still ripple effects
Speaker 1: today for what they do around here, some of some
Speaker 1: of the philosophy and stuff. So he shook things up,
Speaker 1: and he was entertaining, like you said, we always learned something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he was running press conferences here, pretty funny stuff.
Speaker 1: So it'll be good. I do miss those press conferences.
Speaker 1: I'm all more entertaining than the ones we sit through now.
Speaker 1: It's true, well lightly slightly, yeah, And you know when
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips took over. It was from Bill to Wade,
Speaker 1: it was, it was a bunch of it was a change.
Speaker 1: But then when Garrett it's it's been. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of gone one way a little bit. Yeah, look Fellas,
Speaker 1: look Fellas. All right, So the Cowboys, it's been a
Speaker 1: little bit of news here. I guess in the last
Speaker 1: a few weeks. There may be a little bit more
Speaker 1: in the next few days, but coming I would imagine
Speaker 1: it with Cony Ely, Cony Ealy signing Cowboys with signed
Speaker 1: defensive end Cony Ely, what does this mean? This just
Speaker 1: another guy that can come in here and I love
Speaker 1: to hear brought to this opinion on that. He was
Speaker 1: very passionate about the Cowboys not signing this guy or
Speaker 1: why they would sign him. But we went over all
Speaker 1: that already. Well, but I mean, and we talked about this.
Speaker 1: I was on talking. We're just we're kind of just
Speaker 1: double dipping, double dipping. But it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's this is a very reminiscent signing
Speaker 1: of a lot of things the Cowboys have done. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it makes me think of Jonathan Cooper a little bit,
Speaker 1: A highly touted guy his career probably hasn't worked out
Speaker 1: the way he thought it would given his draft stock.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys loved him, they brought him in on a visit,
Speaker 1: and he's available for for a cheap price. He's on
Speaker 1: a one year deal. I think only two hundred grand
Speaker 1: of his contract is guaranteed. So at best, he's a
Speaker 1: guy who could come in and maybe find the form
Speaker 1: that made him a top I think fifty draft pick
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, and really be a big piece
Speaker 1: of your pass rush. And at worst, he's a guy
Speaker 1: that you don't you're not obligated to if if, if
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out. I don't think there's anything that
Speaker 1: keeps them from cutting him if they decide that that's
Speaker 1: the best way forward. So boom boom, a high potential,
Speaker 1: low risk I guess that's what I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: to me. That's he's Demontre Moore's the same him. Well yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: hopefully without hopefully without the bag, hopefully without that. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy maybe this a little different because
Speaker 1: this is a guy they had their eye on four
Speaker 1: years ago, interested in him in the draft, put in
Speaker 1: acclaim for him, I think so last year, last year, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, they obviously like him a lot. Dave said,
Speaker 1: low risk. If he can step in be part of
Speaker 1: a rotation, we'll see. Now. I'm interested to see how
Speaker 1: it works so with Taco because he's got to earn
Speaker 1: the snaps. But he got a lot of snaps after
Speaker 1: Demontre Moore left and seemed to play better. So what
Speaker 1: do you do there? Bottom line is Rod likes as
Speaker 1: many possible ends as as he can. I mean, he
Speaker 1: just wants, he just wants to shuffle guys in and out.
Speaker 1: But at some point, I think you'd like to see
Speaker 1: Taco take the next step. Well, I would hope, and
Speaker 1: I mean, who know, it's it's April, but I would
Speaker 1: hope Cony Eely could work the right side with Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford and Taco could work the left with DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: That's what I would like to see. I think I
Speaker 1: would put Taco at left end. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: turn that guy into a right end. Um three tech
Speaker 1: work defensive tackle in general, but three tech if I
Speaker 1: can for sure, because he talked about he told us
Speaker 1: last year he's playing heavier and maybe end was a possibility. Well,
Speaker 1: and he played some end in twenty sixteen, not so
Speaker 1: much last year. Yeah, Um he could. I he's so
Speaker 1: disruptive at tackle, and I think, I mean there's some
Speaker 1: stuff you got to figure out there. I know this
Speaker 1: is assuming he'll be back, right, I mean it's April.
Speaker 1: What's today, April eleventh, So I mean in the deadlines
Speaker 1: in nine days, we haven't heard a lick of news
Speaker 1: about some of the offering David Irving a contract, So
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he'll be here. Um, I would play him
Speaker 1: at tackle. I wonder because I think Millie Collins is
Speaker 1: a better three tech. Uh and David Irving is great
Speaker 1: at upting the pastor too, so I wonder how they'll
Speaker 1: balance that out. But and what are they draft? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Draft draft somebody that could change everything? I think. I
Speaker 1: think when you're you're talking about the end though, you've
Speaker 1: got Cony Eely, Now you've got Taco Amber there. If
Speaker 1: there's a great defensive end sitting there at nineteen, none
Speaker 1: of these two guys, and even with the Marcus on
Speaker 1: a one year deal, nobody's sitting at a defensive vent.
Speaker 1: That's going to prevent you from drafting another one, right,
Speaker 1: I mean one round, first first round? No, we're talking nineteen.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, No, nobody's going to prevent you from
Speaker 1: from taking that spot. No, I mean because the Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is a key part two. I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee that he's going to come back.
Speaker 1: You don't. You die enough guys right now to get
Speaker 1: the job done, and that I feel good about. Is
Speaker 1: it great? Like again bringing this guy in? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: could take reps away from Taco, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you you want to allow that because what if Taco
Speaker 1: goes out, then you want the guy coming up next
Speaker 1: to we prepare us. Well, yeah, it's good. Rod wants
Speaker 1: eight guys and just move them in and now keep
Speaker 1: him fresh. So he wants he's all about quantity. I
Speaker 1: sat next to him yesterday eating lunch, and he's a
Speaker 1: lot closer to a three technique, if not a one
Speaker 1: technique than he is talking about. I thought you're talking
Speaker 1: about Rod For a second. I was like, right, I
Speaker 1: don't think he should play any position? No, no, probably not.
Speaker 1: But Tony Ealy is a big guy. I mean, and
Speaker 1: if he plays in that's great. Remember he was playing
Speaker 1: in a three four scheme and defensive end. So you know,
Speaker 1: to me, three four defensive ends really a tackle and
Speaker 1: right and that maybe that's where they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: play him. But totally, he's gonna have to change some
Speaker 1: things around a little bit to be to be an end.
Speaker 1: But you know what's Taco's biggest problem, strength, you know,
Speaker 1: just and so maybe you're getting a guy that can
Speaker 1: that can play the run a little bit. So it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see. But I think it's a good move.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not. It's probably great for him. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely a good one. I mean, this is as good
Speaker 1: as I think. I believe, this is as good as
Speaker 1: I've felt about the Cowboys pass rush in the time
Speaker 1: that I've covered the team. Just I mean, they got
Speaker 1: they got guys and no, I mean it's not it's
Speaker 1: not like the Von Miller, DeMarcus ware Denver pass rush,
Speaker 1: but it's I think it's got a chance to be
Speaker 1: really good. Especially I assume I know they're going to
Speaker 1: add to it one way or the other, whether that's
Speaker 1: with an edge rusher at nineteen or a d tackle
Speaker 1: in the third or fourth round. They will draft. I
Speaker 1: think they will spend a valuable draft pick on a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman at some point, so you add that guy
Speaker 1: into the mix, And honestly, I think that's important because
Speaker 1: as good as they are primed to be this year,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of certainty for next year. I mean,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus is on a one year deal, Tyrone's coming up
Speaker 1: on the end of his contract. Irving, if he plays here,
Speaker 1: will likely be on a one year deal. Elie's on
Speaker 1: a one year deal. Obviously, that's who we're talking about.
Speaker 1: So you've got a lot of question marks for twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, even with all the bodies
Speaker 1: on the line, I think drafting guys is a great idea.
Speaker 1: Ye seems like this signing too, which is interesting to me. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: a little scary if you judge just straight off your mentions.
Speaker 1: But I felt like, I feel like they seem to
Speaker 1: like the fact that it was a low cost guy
Speaker 1: who's got some upside who they've heard about before, which
Speaker 1: is a little different from the reactions we got early
Speaker 1: in not to be where it's like, oh, you're just
Speaker 1: signing low, low risk, low cost guys. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be a total jerk, but fans get excited if
Speaker 1: they know the name and Elie was a guy that
Speaker 1: they brought in. I mean he was an official visitor.
Speaker 1: He was on the cover of our draft magazine a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I mean, he was a big
Speaker 1: time prospect and he has speaking of which speaking of
Speaker 1: draft magazines or Daniel's plug, yes, and he's I mean
Speaker 1: he has today nine five online. He has tapped into
Speaker 1: that potential at points in his career. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think we said it when we when we knew he
Speaker 1: was coming into visit before we even signed. If the
Speaker 1: Panthers had won Super Bowl fifty, he probably would have
Speaker 1: been the MVP. Like he played out of his mind.
Speaker 1: So there's talent there that he can hopefully tap into.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of whether or not he do it. Here,
Speaker 1: all right, let's shift gears a little bit to the
Speaker 1: wide receiver position. I was going to ask you a question.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about wide receiver. Okay, Well you you went
Speaker 1: to Canada and you did you had a trip over
Speaker 1: there visiting. Uh, what is Crawford's Camp's name? Oh? I
Speaker 1: thought you said, what is his name? It was Tyrone Crawford. No,
Speaker 1: his camp that he does Windsor's finest the Gods. There
Speaker 1: you go, But the point is, here's something I'm curious about.
Speaker 1: You got a chance to talk to Tyren Smith, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he spoke about his injury and how he's feeling right now. Right,
Speaker 1: So how did he look out there? I know he
Speaker 1: wasn't obviously doing on my list to talk about Tyrans. Sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I mean, you got a chance to
Speaker 1: talk to him. He's going to be on the team,
Speaker 1: so we'll jump I mentioned you're trolling the implications around.
Speaker 1: He's going to be on this team for years. He's
Speaker 1: the guy left tackle. I did talk to him a
Speaker 1: little bit. He was doing He's doing great, he says,
Speaker 1: he feels as good as he's felt in a long
Speaker 1: long time his backfield, he said, great, amazing and awesome.
Speaker 1: How believable was that? Was it convincing? Well? Usually I
Speaker 1: believed him, you know, I mean I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was convincing. Um typically, you know, when I'm looking
Speaker 1: up at somebody like that, I say, when you go
Speaker 1: to shake, you got to shake Tyrant Smith's hand, and
Speaker 1: he just develops yours in this bear claw. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: Tyran sounds good. Yeah, whatever you sad better, whatever you say.
Speaker 1: Jerry did second that By the way, though the owner's
Speaker 1: meetings of a couple weeks ago, he said no indication
Speaker 1: from what he's been told he should be fine in
Speaker 1: terms of his health. Had the decision to have surgery
Speaker 1: and there really was no need for it. There no
Speaker 1: need for surgery, which is which is good. So let's
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. I mean, you're not going through
Speaker 1: practices every single day, and I know which your point
Speaker 1: is that, You're like, I'll believe it when I see it.
Speaker 1: When and he's got to go through sixteen games, I
Speaker 1: get it, but I think for right now he's feeling good. Well,
Speaker 1: it's good to hear that. Anyway, he's got to go.
Speaker 1: He's got and I'm such a huge tyrant Smith family.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to go through sixteen games. He's got
Speaker 1: to go through like five practices in Oxnard. Where he does.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we get out there, if if the
Speaker 1: narrative all offseason is that he feels as good as
Speaker 1: he hasn't forever, and we get out there and on
Speaker 1: day four he's on a vet day, I'm just like, ah, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Um? So That's what I'm curious to know.
Speaker 1: I want to know when we when they really start
Speaker 1: playing football, even in just a practice setting, how's that
Speaker 1: going to hold up? And not that they're concerned, but
Speaker 1: they are clearly taking steps to improve their depth there. Now,
Speaker 1: we don't know how that's all going to shake out
Speaker 1: in terms of that. Sound like, wow, Collins wants to play.
Speaker 1: They might have improved their depth there. Well, they don't
Speaker 1: know that. They've taken steps to try to. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: least they brought in a guy who's played in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, started in the Super Bowl, Cameron Fleming, So
Speaker 1: we'll see. They're obviously they looked at tyrant situation and
Speaker 1: said we've got to upgrade the backup spot. Yeah, Jazz
Speaker 1: Green is still on this football team. I think I
Speaker 1: think they did better than getting a Byron Bell. I
Speaker 1: think from what they did two years ago, I think
Speaker 1: Fleming and Martin are Marcus Smartin are better. But you're right.
Speaker 1: I think it's all stems on Tyrn Smith and then
Speaker 1: what happens there with Lionel Collins. I think Lyle's got
Speaker 1: a chance to move inside, but I don't think he
Speaker 1: is going to move in there. I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are thinking about that. I think just like they're thinking
Speaker 1: about Zach Martin playing tackle one day if he needs to.
Speaker 1: I think if you move a guy to write tackle
Speaker 1: and he does well in his first year, I think
Speaker 1: they'd be foolish to move him inside. We're gonna it's
Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating because on this very set yesterday brought
Speaker 1: us said in his gut he thinks that Lyle's gonna move,
Speaker 1: and I agree, I agree wholeheartedly with you. The point
Speaker 1: I was trying to make Rob is they've only done
Speaker 1: something about their depth. If they don't try to make
Speaker 1: guys move, I'm like, you only have you only have
Speaker 1: three good tackles if one of them is not playing
Speaker 1: guard otherwise, then you just have two good tackles again,
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens. Yeah, and so yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've said it in as many
Speaker 1: ways as I can by now that I hate that idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what they decide to do. And
Speaker 1: then obviously the draft plays into that as well. If
Speaker 1: they draft an offensive tackle high, then that gives them
Speaker 1: a little bit of freedom to play around if they
Speaker 1: want to. But same with guard. Yeah, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: exactly what we talked about. With David Irving. You know,
Speaker 1: let's see if they get an end or tackle, it
Speaker 1: might decide where he plays. I think if they get
Speaker 1: a guard or a tackle an offense here, that might
Speaker 1: decide where Lyle plays. That's that's the advantage of a
Speaker 1: position flex. But it's not really good for the player.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this on Talking Cowboys. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys have two player. What do we say about Byron Jones?
Speaker 1: You know, versatility great? Do you still at this point
Speaker 1: three years in, where does he play? That's I think
Speaker 1: with Lyle you saw enough progress. I thought he played
Speaker 1: his best football down the stretch, even when he kind
Speaker 1: of dealing with a back injury. He might have been
Speaker 1: the best player on the team down the last month
Speaker 1: of the season. In all honesty, all the top guys
Speaker 1: that he faced, all the reps, he got what you invested.
Speaker 1: To me, he's he's such a piece of what you're
Speaker 1: trying to do going forward. I wouldn't move him back,
Speaker 1: but again, it's that whole best five thing, So we'll
Speaker 1: just see how it shakes out. I hate the best. Well,
Speaker 1: hey man, that's just my opinion right now. Don't don't
Speaker 1: mutter it. Say I hate the best five thing. I
Speaker 1: hate it. I did too, because because Lyell Collins is
Speaker 1: a good right tackle. Yeah, but he's not necessarily a
Speaker 1: good as good at guard. I mean, who's to say
Speaker 1: that just because he's the best five. This isn't basketball
Speaker 1: where they all kind of can do the same things,
Speaker 1: which just the best five players play. It's it's different.
Speaker 1: I understand the logic, but I agree with you guys,
Speaker 1: because I think you could argue Chaz Green, if he
Speaker 1: hadn't started at guard, he might have been a better
Speaker 1: tackle when needed to play late in the season because
Speaker 1: he had spent those reps at tackle in training camp
Speaker 1: and not trying to play another position. They tried to
Speaker 1: do that best five thing with him and then moved
Speaker 1: him back to tackle, and when he did was time
Speaker 1: to play, obviously he struggled. Yeah, all right, I agree
Speaker 1: with Let me just add real quick to throw it
Speaker 1: in to that, but real quick if that was the case,
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be feeling devastated. I would obviously
Speaker 1: rather um Lyle Collins have played tackle, But him playing
Speaker 1: a guard, he still did a good job there, and
Speaker 1: he I think he's good enough of a player to
Speaker 1: overcome that and be great at guard too. So I
Speaker 1: don't worst thing in the world. I don't disagree with you,
Speaker 1: but it's just like why why I get it? But
Speaker 1: worst case, I mean, it's still not a worst case
Speaker 1: hashtag best five. I'm gonna reserve. I'm gonna reserve getting
Speaker 1: too angry about it until we see what happens in
Speaker 1: the draft. But I don't I have another theory about
Speaker 1: this that that could be what the Cowboys are thinking. Here,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. Here, we'll be back and we
Speaker 1: can discuss the offensive tackle and then maybe we'll get
Speaker 1: to the wide receiver place, maybe talk about as well.
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Speaker 1: Back to the break, All right, back there on the break.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips sitting in, Thank you for joining us. Derek
Speaker 1: is sitting out, Thanks for having again again. He's a
Speaker 1: busy man. We do the show one more than half
Speaker 1: of the shows we've done. Well. I'm curious about it.
Speaker 1: I don't really don't know why. But when he comes
Speaker 1: back and he starts to to bring out the total
Speaker 1: of you know, episode fourteen, right, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be caught up? I mean, yes, he will.
Speaker 1: It's in the back of his head. All right, real quick,
Speaker 1: let's continue talking about offensive tackle guard Layelle Collins situation.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible the Cowboys are looking at
Speaker 1: this like maybe maybe they do draft a tackle and thinking,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll move Lyle in. That's that'll get our
Speaker 1: best five on the field. But the tyrant injury. You
Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen again. Maybe next year
Speaker 1: is going to be just as bad as last year.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's gonna be worse. Maybe it's better to have
Speaker 1: more tackles there. So Lyle we think of him as
Speaker 1: a tackle long term, but right now we're trying to
Speaker 1: figure this out. We have a chance to get an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle sitting in nineteen. Maybe they go that route. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and Mike McGlinchey was a visitor and arguably the best
Speaker 1: tackle in the draft. They brought him in. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine why they would do that. I mean,
Speaker 1: you want you want your options as wide open as possible.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, I mean Notre Dame's I mean, oh line,
Speaker 1: you my god, Zach Martin, Ronnie Stanley, this kid, Quentin Nelson. Yeah, Anyway,
Speaker 1: the only reason I could think that they would consider
Speaker 1: drafting that guy is to move Lyle to guard and
Speaker 1: have Mike McGlinchey or who Connor Williams whoever be your
Speaker 1: swing tackle behind Cam Fleming. That would be my guest.
Speaker 1: But if you don't draft to tackle, it makes more
Speaker 1: logical sense to just have Fleming as your swing tackle, Yes,
Speaker 1: because then if something happened to Tyrone and you've got
Speaker 1: Fleming at your right tackle, then what do you do?
Speaker 1: You move Collins back to tackle and have to shuffle
Speaker 1: him out, and then you got to replace guard. I
Speaker 1: think it's you're you're changing out so many pieces at
Speaker 1: that point, it would be smart of them to try
Speaker 1: to draft a guard with one of their I mean
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman with one of their more valuable picks.
Speaker 1: And whether that's a guard or a tackle, I think
Speaker 1: we'll say a lot about what they plan to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could do either, because I think correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Both those guys, Martin Fleming won year deals. Yes,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I had Will Hernandez all mocked a
Speaker 1: G nineteen and you changed it last night. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anything. I don't think you needed to change
Speaker 1: it because I think that's still something they can consider doing. Well, Okay,
Speaker 1: I would do that, would you? Yeah? Well, with the
Speaker 1: Mickey's not here today, because he'll jump right over the
Speaker 1: table at you, but speaking of different personalities, saying shows, huh, why, well,
Speaker 1: because maybe he's not number one. Would you play your
Speaker 1: number one over my first round pick right away? Maybe not?
Speaker 1: So are you wasting a pick and you're one? He
Speaker 1: also thinks you could get a guy in the second
Speaker 1: or Mickey thinks. Mickey thinks that he's forgetting about David Arkin,
Speaker 1: and he's got he's got a point. I Mackey just
Speaker 1: thinks it's a little absurd to need to use a
Speaker 1: first round pick essentially on your entire offensive line. I mean,
Speaker 1: which I can see the point, but again, the draft
Speaker 1: is all about best value, like what like what's there
Speaker 1: for you where you're picking, and how does it make sense?
Speaker 1: And if it's a guard, then just draft the guard.
Speaker 1: I don't think that will be the case, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't kill him for making that pick. I look at
Speaker 1: it from a value standpoint. When you're in the nineteenth
Speaker 1: pick and you can get a guard like that, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get one of the better guards. And I think
Speaker 1: you make that decision before you draft him. About canny
Speaker 1: play or not. That's what you have forty seven scouts
Speaker 1: all over the place that they're sitting there and probably
Speaker 1: living in El Paso for a while. Can this guy
Speaker 1: come right in and play if he can, that he's
Speaker 1: worth the pick. It's not. Those are decisions not to mention.
Speaker 1: I mean I say this all the time. Off guard
Speaker 1: is maybe the only big position of need on this
Speaker 1: team where a first round pick would definitely play one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the snaps. I think it'd be great.
Speaker 1: So maybe I'll change my two cent next time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, maybe it's a receiver. My argument
Speaker 1: has been I'll let just well segue that. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying maybe, yeah, maybe maybe they will. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it's the strength of your football team, and it
Speaker 1: became not the strength of your football team last season.
Speaker 1: Everything's built around Zeke and making sure the table is
Speaker 1: set for Dak Prescott. You gotta make sure it's fixed,
Speaker 1: and if that, you can find a guy who's going
Speaker 1: to step in and dominate for you year one. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: take him. Tyrn Smith missed three games last year that
Speaker 1: just missed the whole game, and then there's two others
Speaker 1: that he missed most of it as well. I think
Speaker 1: Oakland and Seattle. He tried to play a little bit
Speaker 1: and couldn't. Yeah, those five games, the Cowboys gave up
Speaker 1: nineteen sacks in those five games. They gave up thirty
Speaker 1: two overall for the year. Nineteen of them came in
Speaker 1: those five games. And I know Atlanta was the big one,
Speaker 1: but I mean even after that with the Eagles the
Speaker 1: next week, it was four. Yeah, so it was not pretty,
Speaker 1: not pretty. All right, let's go, let's talk about wide receiver.
Speaker 1: There we're there finally, Well what about it? What about it?
Speaker 1: Katie Cannon's a guy that can come in and really
Speaker 1: do some thing strikes the field. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about Brian Brown release. They cut Brian Brown. What
Speaker 1: does that do to shake it up? Now? Lancelin Or
Speaker 1: did a nice job. Bryant talk about Well, there isn't
Speaker 1: any news right now, and then we're getting close to
Speaker 1: the offseason conditioning program, which starts next week April sixteenth,
Speaker 1: on Monday. They better figure this out with Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: They need to figure it out is he on the
Speaker 1: team or not before this thing starts. And that's the
Speaker 1: question I'll ask you, guys, do you think that he
Speaker 1: will be Do you think this thing will be resolved?
Speaker 1: How about that? One way or another. Do you think
Speaker 1: it will be resolved this week and that means he's
Speaker 1: cut or they come out and say Dez is on
Speaker 1: the team, and they're probably gonna come out and say
Speaker 1: it in a way of like, what are you guys
Speaker 1: talking about? He's on the team, he's got a contract.
Speaker 1: I've been out a couple of days. Sorry, Dave, I've
Speaker 1: been out a couple of days. Came back and you
Speaker 1: brought this up, and I hadn't thought about this timeline wise,
Speaker 1: guys coming back in the building, voluntary ball, terry offseason program.
Speaker 1: You don't want guys getting hurt. I've always thought you
Speaker 1: wait till after the draft and you see what you
Speaker 1: do in the draft. But maybe maybe they don't wait
Speaker 1: to have a resolution. And Jerry did say a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago he was trying to meet with him
Speaker 1: in the short you know, short term period of time.
Speaker 1: So maybe this is the week they're gonna meet. I
Speaker 1: think we know that. I think that we have figured
Speaker 1: out here that they are going to meet this week
Speaker 1: and they're probably going to meet on Friday of this
Speaker 1: week to talk about it. Maybe that means something's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Then maybe it doesn't, but I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: surprised they haven't met earlier. But from what we're hearing,
Speaker 1: it sounds like they're going to talk on Friday, and
Speaker 1: I hope so, honestly, because for the life of me,
Speaker 1: I can't figure out why this is why this has
Speaker 1: gone on this long. Because yeah, like the logical conclusion
Speaker 1: is to think, well, they'll wait till after the draft,
Speaker 1: see what happens in the draft. But they don't want
Speaker 1: a guy that they plan on cutting to blow his
Speaker 1: knee out during voluntary workouts which start Monday, which, assuming
Speaker 1: he wants to come, I don't know, but you can't
Speaker 1: open yourself up to that risk. But if that was
Speaker 1: in your mind all along, why why did you wait
Speaker 1: till now? Like, I don't really get it. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why they've been talking about potentially sitting down with
Speaker 1: this guy since January and it's it'll be April thirteenth
Speaker 1: on Friday, and that's oh, Friday thirteenth. Oh is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: My goodness, goodness, gracious, Jerry did say a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago in Florida, Jason's involved. Huh, Jason's he probably
Speaker 1: the machette guy. Halloween. Halloween man, oh the uh there's
Speaker 1: a lot of cuts. God my god, all right show
Speaker 1: Jerry said Timelines had had conflicted so so far in
Speaker 1: this offseason. I I agree. I mean it's been well, guys,
Speaker 1: get you call them, you pick up the phone, you
Speaker 1: get your phone, you open it up. Okay. I know,
Speaker 1: I know Dez went to Australia an iPhone, and I
Speaker 1: know the front office went on vacant. Like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I don't believe that there wasn't
Speaker 1: a day in February or March where Dez could drive
Speaker 1: up here from South Lake, okay and sit down for
Speaker 1: twenty minute. I think we kind of know what what
Speaker 1: they were doing by I mean, they probably have a
Speaker 1: price tag. They would like Dez to play four yeah
Speaker 1: and say and you do it right there in March thirteenth,
Speaker 1: when Alan Robinson's getting fourteen million a year and everyone's
Speaker 1: getting all this this big money, and then you cut them,
Speaker 1: Dez is gonna get a contract if you wait, you wait,
Speaker 1: you wait a little bit. Maybe the money's dried up
Speaker 1: a little bit and it's to the point where, okay,
Speaker 1: now will you play for this? Which I still think
Speaker 1: the ends there would be. No, that's just you look
Speaker 1: at this roster and it's Dave's talked about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's there are so many receivers here and there's only
Speaker 1: so many passes they're going to go around, especially when
Speaker 1: you're a run first offense. I don't know how it
Speaker 1: all shakes out at this point, assuming does is on
Speaker 1: the team, still like they've got to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I know they say competition, but you signed Allen Hearns
Speaker 1: to play for you next year, right and play some
Speaker 1: play some meaningful snaps, I would think. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know how it makes sense with Dez on the team, honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how you spread. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got you've got two receivers that work only in
Speaker 1: the slot. You've got Terrence Williams and Alan Hearns. I
Speaker 1: would hope you're at least going to give Noah Brown
Speaker 1: a chance to compete to keep his job at training camp,
Speaker 1: and then they are taking a hard look at receivers
Speaker 1: in the draft. No, they're going to draft, that's the
Speaker 1: other part of it. Yeah, and so again, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you make the numbers make sense. With Dez
Speaker 1: on the team, not just from a financial aspect, but
Speaker 1: how you make the offense go. I mean, I wrote
Speaker 1: a column about this last week. There's so much writing
Speaker 1: on the wall, there's so much smoke, and I don't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable saying for sure what's going to happen. But
Speaker 1: they sure want people to believe they're going to do
Speaker 1: something with Dez. I mean that that is what every
Speaker 1: indication points toward, is that he's not going to be
Speaker 1: on this team, you know what, That's what it looks like.
Speaker 1: I don't think at this point they should do anything
Speaker 1: before the draft as far as taking action, but obviously
Speaker 1: you should meet with him and figure out where each
Speaker 1: person stands in or is that how he's saying what
Speaker 1: their stands is right there and you know, saying what
Speaker 1: does is willing to do or not? If that's the case,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: maybe this was a good strategy to wait. And I
Speaker 1: think playing mind games, you're you're letting this you know
Speaker 1: it is scary, but you know, we know he's a
Speaker 1: very emotional guy and this actually hurts him a lot.
Speaker 1: Hearing all the negative comments on social media and all
Speaker 1: that from the media. But if they do that, you
Speaker 1: think Daz would become a little more rational when it
Speaker 1: comes to that meeting. And if they were wanting to
Speaker 1: ask him for a pay cut, wouldn't he accept We've
Speaker 1: talked about that on our show. If if you come
Speaker 1: to him in a respectful way, say this is what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do, there's nothing you think he would
Speaker 1: he would agree to that because he wants to be here.
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to play for any other
Speaker 1: football Yeah, He's never wanted to play for any other
Speaker 1: There's nothing respectful about letting this drag out until April
Speaker 1: thirteenth and now have supposedly Let's say they talk Friday
Speaker 1: and this is the first time they've talked. There's nothing
Speaker 1: respectful about that. Well, comes down as to business, there's
Speaker 1: a way. I think there's a way you can handle
Speaker 1: it in a business like fashion without I mean, I
Speaker 1: agree with you about the business, but the business has
Speaker 1: not changed, Like his contract hasn't changed. All that stuff
Speaker 1: that we knew has been sitting there and they you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like. That's why I think something's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I really do think he will probably be released at
Speaker 1: this point because I can't imagine how you would sit
Speaker 1: down and talk and now you look at this contract
Speaker 1: and go, oh, we can do that. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the same as it's always been. That's kind of my point.
Speaker 1: This is the Romo thing to me, like all over again,
Speaker 1: different types of circumstances, but and I don't know what
Speaker 1: the end result is going to be. And Tony ultimately
Speaker 1: was let go. He asked for his release. But I
Speaker 1: think it was a year ago today. Did it happened
Speaker 1: just about this one this week? Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: And it was the same type thing. It dragged on
Speaker 1: and Jerry talked about how we have great communication, but
Speaker 1: there wasn't a resolution, and I you know, that has
Speaker 1: lasted a long time here as it dragged on, what happened?
Speaker 1: What was Tony doing? He was working a deal for CBS,
Speaker 1: he was he already could do his next move and
Speaker 1: all that he was right, you know, and by that
Speaker 1: time he had a plan, he was cut. He was
Speaker 1: doing this and he had dad was on the team.
Speaker 1: And at this point, when it comes to wide receiver,
Speaker 1: who is better than this right now? I mean, yeah
Speaker 1: he's not. He didn't do great, but we all agree
Speaker 1: that he is the best player. They got a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, I would agree with yea from
Speaker 1: the time you don't have it back a wide receiver
Speaker 1: that comes in and whiles everyone and everyone's excited about
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know they have to get that guy.
Speaker 1: First look at Alan Hearns and you say, two years
Speaker 1: ago he had that type of season that potentially a
Speaker 1: thousand yard guy, but he's had injuries and does it's
Speaker 1: had injuries, and so maybe that's they're looking at their
Speaker 1: numbers and saying, hey, we you know, competition, depth, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Here's the other thing too, is
Speaker 1: you mentioned it Dez isn't He's not gonna get Sammy
Speaker 1: Watkins money if he is released, Like he's not just
Speaker 1: gonna pace the market. But he's the type of much
Speaker 1: like Tyrn Matthew back at the height of free agency,
Speaker 1: he's the type of free agent where when he hits
Speaker 1: the open market, eight to twelve front offices are gonna
Speaker 1: perk up and be like, like, we could make the
Speaker 1: money for this guy, right, yeah, like we can offer
Speaker 1: this guy a competitive deal, like somebody will want him,
Speaker 1: Like he will not be if he is released. I'll
Speaker 1: be shocked if he's unemployed for more than like five days,
Speaker 1: and unless the money is just outrageous for one particular team.
Speaker 1: But I guarantee, if you're not on the Cowboys schedule,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's interested. Now, what if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are thinking that, sorry, what if you know how Jerry
Speaker 1: said that they do have the money for it to
Speaker 1: pay for it as long as that person is being
Speaker 1: productive and you know, balancing of and making it worth
Speaker 1: the money. What if they're thinking that he can be
Speaker 1: that guy this year, I mean, and he and just
Speaker 1: take the risk for it. If they think he can
Speaker 1: be that guy and that it goes back to sitting
Speaker 1: on the bus with Jerry at the combine and he
Speaker 1: said he said something like that like, well, we can
Speaker 1: make this work if we want to. We need to
Speaker 1: talk with with Dez. And somebody asked me the question
Speaker 1: was like, well, if you think he's a number one receiver,
Speaker 1: why do you have to have a conversation at all?
Speaker 1: Like why do you keep talking about how you need
Speaker 1: to have this talk if nothing has to change? So
Speaker 1: I don't buy that at all. So, like I just
Speaker 1: it's you're saying they've they've prepared for life without him, Yes,
Speaker 1: if they so choose to take that step. Sure, two
Speaker 1: receivers they're looking at receivers are theoretically they're prepared for
Speaker 1: life with him, like they could carry money, they could
Speaker 1: make it work. But like, why is there so much
Speaker 1: smoke to the contrary. If they're okay with that, like
Speaker 1: everywhere and that's all we're talking about, we're talking about
Speaker 1: then potentially releasing him right now, that's how Like, that's
Speaker 1: just how the insane amount of speculation and anonymous information
Speaker 1: that's come out about how they might want to do that,
Speaker 1: it's just for it to amount to nothing would surprise me.
Speaker 1: At this point. I keep thinking of the movie A
Speaker 1: Few Good Men. If Santiago wasn't in danger, why did
Speaker 1: it need to be transferred off the base? Great movie,
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite ever. Hey, maybe maybe there's some you
Speaker 1: know what, maybe there's some truth to what Jerry said
Speaker 1: to us at the ribbon cutting grand opening of The
Speaker 1: Star a couple of weeks ago. Did you hear what
Speaker 1: he said? My memories part? He said, um, not running
Speaker 1: over the art, right, he said? He was joking. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's a hint of truth, he said, I told Dez
Speaker 1: to stay away from the building because I just want
Speaker 1: this to stay in the news. Oh, let's just keep
Speaker 1: the headlines going. Let's keep the cowboys on here age
Speaker 1: he buried its second segment, Wow, point, we did guard talking, Hey,
Speaker 1: drawing ourselves. There's probably some validity to that. In all honesty,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it has It has been a talking
Speaker 1: point from December until today, with without much in the
Speaker 1: way of developing as a story. I mean, Dez talked
Speaker 1: in February before the combine, so like Dez talked two
Speaker 1: months ago, and that's really been the only development in
Speaker 1: this story since. And it's still just has this crazy
Speaker 1: shelf life because people want to know, and we do too.
Speaker 1: We're sorry it can't be of more help. You're the
Speaker 1: one who has the power to make the decision. Are
Speaker 1: you in a rush? You can make the decision whenever
Speaker 1: you want. I wouldn't be in a rush. But again, like,
Speaker 1: I get the point, but I'm just saying, if I'm
Speaker 1: looking at another perspective of it, I don't see the
Speaker 1: point we talked about at the start of the segment.
Speaker 1: You probably want to have it resolved before he shows
Speaker 1: up for workouts if he decides to so if you
Speaker 1: can't wait until the draft, then I don't see the
Speaker 1: point in dragging it out. Yeah, I would have. You're right,
Speaker 1: they don't have to rush, and there is a business
Speaker 1: aspect to this, But I would have think that you
Speaker 1: could have at least had a conversation with the guy
Speaker 1: by this. And now I don't disagree. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to make sense of it. Good luck sense side of
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Speaker 1: wide receiver in this draft? I mean not in this draft.
Speaker 1: They got ten picks, they get everybody but a deep
Speaker 1: snapper in this draft. But first two days you think,
Speaker 1: you think that they're there. Friday, we're gonna see a
Speaker 1: wide receiver here, I do. Yeah, m with or without Dez, yes,
Speaker 1: one way or the other. Which it's so weird because
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense for them to do that if
Speaker 1: that is on the team. But I just try to
Speaker 1: read the tea leave. Let's think about it. If is
Speaker 1: on the team twenty eighteen, is he on the team
Speaker 1: in nineteen? For sure? Do you know he's on the
Speaker 1: team in nine? Probably not? Terrence Williams probably not. Then
Speaker 1: got to get a receiver Cole Beasley contract year? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I got Switzer right right, But I mean you're talking
Speaker 1: about a guy. I think you don't get a receiver
Speaker 1: regardless of who you have. I agree, And that's why
Speaker 1: you know you get Hearn's on what a two year deal? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not convinced it will be nineteen, but
Speaker 1: I think by the end of Friday, I think they'll
Speaker 1: have added a receiver. That's my guess. Let's say it
Speaker 1: is nineteen, Ridley, is that is that the one guy
Speaker 1: that makes the most sense. I know you love DJ Moore.
Speaker 1: I love DJ Moore, and I try not to push
Speaker 1: that on other people because I don't want to push
Speaker 1: him in the wrong direction. I want to try to
Speaker 1: make people sound smart. But they brought DJ More in
Speaker 1: on a visit, sure, that's and that is we know
Speaker 1: that is the tell all indicator of who they want
Speaker 1: to draft in the first round. I feel confidence saying
Speaker 1: they're not going to get him at fifty. So if
Speaker 1: they brought him in on a visit, that to me,
Speaker 1: that says they're at least toying with the idea of
Speaker 1: drafting him nineteenth. Overall, they at least want to cover
Speaker 1: their bases real quick. Rub If if they go to nineteen,
Speaker 1: if they trade nineteen back to like let's say twenty six,
Speaker 1: pick up a third or maybe a late second in
Speaker 1: that process and get DJ More, are you gonna be
Speaker 1: is I do? I would try to do a backflip.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Cartwell, I was gonna say cartwill
Speaker 1: backfl I had some money going on that, I'll Joe.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that's realistic because there's a couple teams like that's kind
Speaker 1: of his range is twenty two to twenty six. I
Speaker 1: know the Carolina Panthers picking at twenty four love him.
Speaker 1: They brought him in for a thirty visit earlier this week.
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those things where people will
Speaker 1: be like, oh, nineteen is too rich for DJ Morries,
Speaker 1: shut up and pick him because he's gonna go twenty three.
Speaker 1: Like is the difference between nineteen and twenty three that
Speaker 1: vast um? But no, if they if they can trade
Speaker 1: back and get him, that would be awesome. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not banking on it to happen, but I'd be excited.
Speaker 1: Who would be Rob? Who would be your receiver of
Speaker 1: choice here? Nineteen or fifty? Or man? What about my
Speaker 1: man right here on the cover? Man the age. I
Speaker 1: don't know where he fits with the Does he play
Speaker 1: inside or outside? But I don't know where where he
Speaker 1: fits at at and T Stadium, and that's in the
Speaker 1: end zone because every time he plays there it gets Arkansas.
Speaker 1: He's scoring two or three touchdowns a game. To me, yes,
Speaker 1: bring him. I don't. I don't know if he can
Speaker 1: play outside in this league consistently, And O'Brien has questions
Speaker 1: about that. I trust Brian, trust Dave two, but trust
Speaker 1: Bryan No, I trust both. But he's just a smart
Speaker 1: player who gets open, finds the way he runs routes correctly.
Speaker 1: He's explosive, deceptively explosive. He can return kicks for you.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's gonna end up going to aim
Speaker 1: like New England, and he's gonna have a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: ring because I just think he's I just think he's
Speaker 1: he's a guy who's gonna wind up play right here.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play ten years in the league and be
Speaker 1: really really productive for somebody that play right there. And
Speaker 1: I remember this game and they're one of his six
Speaker 1: touchdowns that game against Arkansas. But it was a really
Speaker 1: great play because he's trying to figure out where to
Speaker 1: get open. He's the play breaks down, the guy rolls
Speaker 1: out and he just finds a crease. That to me,
Speaker 1: is a guy that knows how to yes even when
Speaker 1: you you want to run. Chris Browse, now this play,
Speaker 1: we could just stop this because this is gonna right
Speaker 1: there right yeah, I mean, this is this is what
Speaker 1: you're drafted right there. I mean, just and see people
Speaker 1: say he's not fast. That's what I don't understand. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of I'll say this, he looks he looks
Speaker 1: far more electric on the field than he does when
Speaker 1: he's running, like the forty. Which that's that's what you want.
Speaker 1: I think you have. I think you have to say
Speaker 1: the same thing for this other guy on our our
Speaker 1: magazine here James Washington, which I know you don't really
Speaker 1: love him as a as a receiver, but he is
Speaker 1: a guy that will kind of run by people. Is here.
Speaker 1: Here we go, cure the tape. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think it's the twenty eight that kind of
Speaker 1: looks like he's a he's a big running back, but
Speaker 1: he can he can fly, he can get down the field. Here. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'll say all three of these guys, I'm sure can
Speaker 1: we fire up some Courtland Sutton tape while we're at it,
Speaker 1: Because that's the three guys on the cover of our magazine.
Speaker 1: I feel boom, yeah, there we go. I feel similarly
Speaker 1: about all these guys. I mean, they're very different receivers.
Speaker 1: I'm down to draft any of them in the second round.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to use pick nineteen on them. No,
Speaker 1: we I'm talking cowboys. When you filled in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. You think there's smoke with Alabama visit
Speaker 1: Jess and Garrett the staff going down there. I think
Speaker 1: it's more, you know, I've done it before. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of draftable prospects. You're kind of you know, two
Speaker 1: birds with one stone kind of a thing, or nineteen whatever.
Speaker 1: How many guys are gonn get drafted. I think if you,
Speaker 1: if you are drafting receiver at nineteen, Ridley, ready made
Speaker 1: route running, can just step in and play for you.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he has the ceiling of DJ
Speaker 1: more necessarily um, but all guy. Yeah, but we saw
Speaker 1: him here last week, and I get it. It's ironic
Speaker 1: coming from me. I'm five five or whatever, but he's
Speaker 1: he's he looked he's need to put some meat on
Speaker 1: those bones. Really yeah, Calvin Ridley, But I mean it,
Speaker 1: there's and that's the cool thing about this receiver classes.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe two Ridley and more. Maybe Sutton goes late
Speaker 1: in the first Yeah, Kirk's the second round picking thing.
Speaker 1: I think. I honestly, I think all three of these guys, Kirk, Washington,
Speaker 1: and Sutton or second round picks, with the exception. Maybe
Speaker 1: somebody falls in love with Sutton's upside because he's six
Speaker 1: three and drafts him in the first um, but none
Speaker 1: of them get to fifty. I don't think so that's
Speaker 1: and that's the thing is, so you got to take
Speaker 1: that into account. But the top of the top of
Speaker 1: the board with Ridley and Moore is not super stack.
Speaker 1: But it goes like ten deep and you ask ten
Speaker 1: different people who follow the draft, none of them agree.
Speaker 1: I'm Michael Gallup is a guy that comes to mind,
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller, Jamon Moore from Missouri that there's like ten
Speaker 1: guys that you know, people feel differently about depending on
Speaker 1: who you ask. So even if these three guys are
Speaker 1: gone by fifty, there will be a guy there at fifty,
Speaker 1: There will be a guy there at eighty one. Like,
Speaker 1: they can definitely add to this position in any of
Speaker 1: those three rounds. Amber, Do they need a receiver in
Speaker 1: the first two picks nineteen or fifty? You know what?
Speaker 1: I'm yeah? What, Amber? No, I don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: a receiver definitely not on nineteen Maybe second round, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can discuss it depending on who's still available, but
Speaker 1: as far as nineteen, no way, regardless of whether Dez
Speaker 1: is on the team or not, I would not go
Speaker 1: for it. What do you want a gie? In a
Speaker 1: fantasy world, I would want them to trade up and
Speaker 1: get a safety. Sound like me, Yeah, yeah, Derwin Jay,
Speaker 1: But I doubt that's going to have nineteen. They're picking nineteen.
Speaker 1: What do you want? Well, everything's pointing towards linebacker right now.
Speaker 1: Give me. I'm not that. I mean, they did need
Speaker 1: a linebacker, I wouldn't be upset at it, but I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the perfect way to put it. I would not
Speaker 1: be upset about them drafting a linebacker, but I would
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, okay, but they need it. It's badly,
Speaker 1: I know that, and that's that's I wouldn't be mad
Speaker 1: about it, but I wouldn't be excited either. I Okay,
Speaker 1: the two studs are going to be off the board.
Speaker 1: You're sitting at nineteen. They need a linebacker. You get
Speaker 1: the choice. Do you take the guy from the powerhouse
Speaker 1: of all powerhouses that bring out players every year in
Speaker 1: Alabama or take Boise State, who the Cowboys just seem
Speaker 1: to love taking players from. And you can there's other
Speaker 1: differences between those two players as well. Most of the
Speaker 1: Boys guys that they've spent I mean, when they draft
Speaker 1: the Boyse guy. It's worked out. I mean, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: Tyrone hasn't worked out contract, but yeah, he the third
Speaker 1: round pick in twenty twelve and he's still a starter here.
Speaker 1: So yeah. So I worked out great with Skeandrick was
Speaker 1: a great pick in the fifth round and looking real
Speaker 1: good with DeMarcus yep Um. I mean I would rather
Speaker 1: have Kellen Moore has been really quarterback room. I would
Speaker 1: rather have Rashaan Evans, but I'm not I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh Is. He's fine, He's I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe in the last
Speaker 1: maybe eight years, between the guys that they've drafted offensively
Speaker 1: versus the ones defensively, all the offensive players have made
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl in the last time. You're gonna make me, dude,
Speaker 1: math Like, first, did you say first seven? Yeah? With
Speaker 1: their first round pick, I think not one defensive player.
Speaker 1: I think Tyring. Yeah, I forgot the one that they
Speaker 1: picked the highest round. Yeah. Well, and then Byron Jones, Moclayborne.
Speaker 1: I think the there's the discri Yeah, it's five, verse
Speaker 1: two and well three. Now, yeah, you know you're right
Speaker 1: that if they've had way more luck with their offense,
Speaker 1: and that's been I mean, if they can start hitting
Speaker 1: on these defensive draft picks the way they have on
Speaker 1: the offensive side, they might really have some. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: they haven't taken Obama guy, just because the McClay way
Speaker 1: has been big programs, and there is no bigger program
Speaker 1: than Alabama. I hate to say it, it just hasn't
Speaker 1: worked out that way. Maybe this is the year. Yeah, maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll I mean there's three dudes from the same that's
Speaker 1: and that goes back to my point about Okay, I
Speaker 1: get it, Jason Garrett and Nick Saban or friends. Tuscaloosa
Speaker 1: is on the way back from Orlando. I guess I
Speaker 1: don't even know if the geography makes sense, but there's
Speaker 1: three dudes from the same school that fit right into
Speaker 1: that range at nineteen, like right where they're going to
Speaker 1: be picking Ridley, Deron Payne and Mashaun Evans. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: just knock them all out, sin that to go get
Speaker 1: the head coach to sign off on them. I guess. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just say that that's what you hear they drafted
Speaker 1: pick to pick is in he's from Alabama. Who do
Speaker 1: you want it to be, and they're all available. Let's
Speaker 1: say those three guys just Alabama, I said, receiver who
Speaker 1: you say weighs one hundred pounds one hundred and eighty five.
Speaker 1: I think I would want Evans, even though I just
Speaker 1: said it wouldn't excite me. He represents the biggest need. Yes, prediction,
Speaker 1: Pain another good movie possible? Hey, And honestly, I think
Speaker 1: that would be great too, because I mean, David Irving's
Speaker 1: on a one year deal, Malee Collins is there. But
Speaker 1: I mean, depending on how you want to use those guys,
Speaker 1: Pain can play one technique. I also think he'd be
Speaker 1: a pretty monstrous three technique, so pretty good tight end.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. Amber you got a vote, get
Speaker 1: your linebacker if needed. It wears ninety four. No, he
Speaker 1: can't have that here all right now? Why not? How
Speaker 1: do you say? Yeah, Layton vendor Is he does popular vote. Um,
Speaker 1: what I've seen as far as linebacker, two of our
Speaker 1: two cents were him, Oh yeah, but we can. I
Speaker 1: kind of like to change our mind. Obviously you say
Speaker 1: change it from I mean that Friday, I'll work on that.
Speaker 1: I'll get that. I don't wonder if it'll be our
Speaker 1: biggest story. But we might do that on Friday. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know who my number one pick will be there.
Speaker 1: I mean I had pain. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: need Have you changed who did you pick for the
Speaker 1: long draft that you guys did the two cents one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did to Ron Payne. I don't know if I'll
Speaker 1: if I'll change it. I mean, I still like like him.
Speaker 1: He was one of the guys they visited. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ride this Rashaun Evans train until I have a reason
Speaker 1: to think otherwise. I just like. I mean, the signs
Speaker 1: point toward linebacker right now. I mean, that's again a
Speaker 1: lot of smoke. That's just kind of It's just kind
Speaker 1: of how I feel right now. I mean, with ten
Speaker 1: draft picks, I think I think I would I would
Speaker 1: like to move This would be one year where I
Speaker 1: would like to move up. I'm not a big fan
Speaker 1: of it all the time, but I think there's just
Speaker 1: seems to be big drop offs between thirteen and fourteen
Speaker 1: and nineteen. I don't know if they're gonna move up
Speaker 1: at nineteen, but I'll bet you any money that they
Speaker 1: don't make ten picks. They just it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I could see it less than ten. Yeah, like seven
Speaker 1: will be a twelve. Yeah. I hate to sound like
Speaker 1: Cowboys brass at the pre draft press conference every year,
Speaker 1: was like, well, we could do anything, but really the
Speaker 1: options you could I could see one of three ways.
Speaker 1: Really no, you kit Yeah, I know they don't tell
Speaker 1: you anything, and they shouldn't tell anything, but they make
Speaker 1: it sound like they're saying like something really really meaningful.
Speaker 1: In a way, nineteen is kind of no man's land
Speaker 1: because how many first round picks do you have. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you don't have nineteen, right, so okay, maybe you
Speaker 1: trade down, or maybe you see a guy you really
Speaker 1: want you trade up. Or and Jerry spoke to this,
Speaker 1: if a bunch of quarterbacks get taken and they always
Speaker 1: get drafted higher than they should, maybe a guy false
Speaker 1: to you, maybe you get lucky. You know, I think, say, David,
Speaker 1: I know you've said this a bunch of times. Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's the key for the Cowboys. Lamar Jackson from Louisville.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that needs to be in the top eighteen.
Speaker 1: He is. Well, there's actually I put out a tweet
Speaker 1: about this the other day. There's a handful of guys
Speaker 1: that could really be big for the Cowboys, And we
Speaker 1: talked about in the first segment, we talked about Mike
Speaker 1: McGlinchey as a pick. What about trade bait and Mike
Speaker 1: McGlinchey might be the best tackle in the draft. Connor
Speaker 1: Williams is probably right there behind him. If if somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, New England just let their right tackle go
Speaker 1: to New York for sixty million dollars, if somebody decides
Speaker 1: they need to get the best tackle in the draft,
Speaker 1: that could be huge. Mike McGlinchey, Colton Miller, Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: those are all names I've got my eye on. Um
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I mean, and then obviously the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But how weird would that be if New England at
Speaker 1: thirty one jumps to Night there. That's right, That's right,
Speaker 1: I was thinking them at thirty. Let's say somebody in
Speaker 1: that range of the thirties thirty thirty one trades with
Speaker 1: you to nineteen now, just like they did what twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen with Travis Frederick, Yeah, nineteen to like thirty thirty one.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about a bunch of different players, different
Speaker 1: scenarios that don't don't seem such a good idea at
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, which but I'm just saying, if they
Speaker 1: moved to thirty, we moved just back to thirty thirty one,
Speaker 1: just something in that range right there, it opens up
Speaker 1: to camp for everybody even well, and that goes back
Speaker 1: to you know, the Cowboys. They got hosed in that
Speaker 1: trade when they jumped back to get Travis Frederick because
Speaker 1: they didn't want to make the pick. They just wanted
Speaker 1: to get out of there, so they took less than
Speaker 1: it was worth. What would be great is if let's
Speaker 1: just say, Mike McGlinchey, the best tackle on the board
Speaker 1: is there for you at nineteen and somebody else is
Speaker 1: dying for it. You know, let's say New England really
Speaker 1: wants to get up there and get that guy. Well,
Speaker 1: you can overcharge them because of what they need. That
Speaker 1: they need a right tackle and so you're in control
Speaker 1: of that. That they want a quarterback, that's or that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the type of stuff that you're hoping for. Ironic
Speaker 1: part of that is that is that they didn't they
Speaker 1: didn't get what they should have in that trade. However,
Speaker 1: their pick other than maybe Emmett Smith at seventeen overall
Speaker 1: their pick, and they might have the most value ever
Speaker 1: of any first round pick. The Cowboys have taken and
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick at thirty two, and they got killed for
Speaker 1: that deal because they didn't get what it was worth.
Speaker 1: But you can't find, yeah, I mean, you won't really
Speaker 1: find another pick in the first round that has probably
Speaker 1: as much value. And that includes you know, Michael Irvin
Speaker 1: and Zach Martin and Troy Aikman. I mean three all pros. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I'm all sorrow at thirty one overall, not too shabby, ye,
Speaker 1: A guy that wasn't really on anybody's radar. No, that's
Speaker 1: I mean that was my first draft. But every other
Speaker 1: draft we've done, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, like we've had
Speaker 1: we've had like a list in our head, and we
Speaker 1: weren't surprised that I was not ready for that at all. Yeah, Frederick,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way we start to this
Speaker 1: draft coverage, h like Christmas time. There's no way that
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna be picked at nineteen that's gonna be off
Speaker 1: the radar. That would yeah, this Dane and Brian. If
Speaker 1: it happens, I don't want to be around those all right.
Speaker 1: Next week, who knows where we'll be and who's gonna
Speaker 1: be on the set, but it'll be fun. So for
Speaker 1: Rob amber Dave, I'm Nichol. See you next time on
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