WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Will Dez Affect The Draft? 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:15.920 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.120 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.840 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:27.160 Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:31.520 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:37.680 wa with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.040 Derek Eagleton. Hello, and welcome to the Break. This is 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.000 exactly what the Break always looks like. This is the crew, 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.120 this is the new crew. We're we're gonna break some 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.160 news here. Rob Phillips, I'm just kidding. Rob Phillips and Bergarcia, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.160 Dave Helman. I'm Nick Eatman. This is this week's version 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.800 of the Break here in the Evening News or Cowboys Podcast, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.960 a little bit of both, even though that way it's 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.600 not even new. It currently all right, I'm trying to 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.440 figure out academy sports and outdoors the studio. This is 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.960 kind of still a little bit new for us. But 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.920 we're going to talk cowboys. We're not talking cowboys. We're 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.279 going to talk cowboys, even though we've got Rob Phillips 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.920 from Talking Cowboys. Thanks for a very different show. Thanks 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.840 for filling in. How's it different, you know, different personalities, 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:27.479 a lot less grumpy. Yes, how different, Bro, It's again, 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:32.759 different different personalities, different, different folks, happier folks. Maybe, Okay, 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.560 maybe I was just saying a little bit more hair 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.000 over here. Yeah that's true. Yeah, all right, Well everybody's well. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.920 Derek's still out. He's he's one that's out. I think 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.680 he's in Las Vegas or something work related. But Rob, 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.280 you just got back from a trip. Dave was last 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.920 week going all over Texas. I was traveling to Amber. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.160 I don't know if you've been anywhere this month. I 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.520 know you were chilling. Well, bully for you. I was 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.720 gonna say, I'm I'm don't ask me what I do 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.720 during the off season. That's my new like like like 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.720 you make small talk with people and they're like, well, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.480 what do you do in the off season? It's sust 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.480 it sucks to answer that because you've got an answer, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.280 but nobody really understands it. So it's just kind of like, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.640 this must be a really easy time, and you know, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.200 for it's really not false. It's not And you always 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.560 say the off season ends like right now, so that's 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.040 a comforting thought. We're only like halfway through, but once 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:32.280 you get the draft time traveling. We've got what OTA's 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.720 coming up next month. People people like to roll their 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.720 eyes at this, but like, starting from the day the 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.880 draft starts, every week after that there is a football 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.760 related activity happening until training camp. Well, and then I 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.880 mean they take June off from but from from early 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.840 May until the end of June, there's dudes out on 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.280 the field doing football stuff at least once a week 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.800 for the for two months, like they're off season is 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.959 basically over for all intents and purposes. Well, Rob, but 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.560 you got a little bit smarter yesterday. That's the way 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.600 I always been. This happens briefly kind of explained where 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.680 you went to Florida and what's going on there. Yeah, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.880 went down to South Florida. Kent Garrison as well interviewed 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.480 a legend former Cowboys head coach Bill Parcels for a 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.839 Deep Blue that we're doing and what August doing. He's 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.560 doing great. He's seventy six years old now, which he 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.280 told me that, and I was It just didn't strike 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.880 me that he's that age because you think about it. Okay, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.320 he left the Cowboys he was mid sixties, but he's 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:39.360 fully into retirement. He has thirteen horses. He's training horses 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.720 now raising him. You said it was a training him, 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.520 which my uncle used to do that, and that's not cheap. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.440 But he's got some money, so you know he's doing it. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.720 It was a hard out, you said, ten forty five 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.640 he had to go. Was it like golf? He looked 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.560 golf he was, He was dressed. He was golf. He 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.520 dressed for sure. I don't know for sure what he 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.360 was up at. Probably golf. He lives down there and 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.360 enjoys it. Um. We had a good visit. We're gonna 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.119 we're gonna document the O three season, his first year 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.960 in Dallas and how he kind of changed the culture 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.680 and how I think it's still there's still ripple effects 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.640 today for what they do around here, some of some 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.200 of the philosophy and stuff. So he shook things up, 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.360 and he was entertaining, like you said, we always learned something. Yeah, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.400 when he was running press conferences here, pretty funny stuff. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.480 So it'll be good. I do miss those press conferences. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.920 I'm all more entertaining than the ones we sit through now. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.240 It's true, well lightly slightly, yeah, And you know when 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.440 Wade Phillips took over. It was from Bill to Wade, 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.839 it was, it was a bunch of it was a change. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.320 But then when Garrett it's it's been. It's just kind 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.120 of gone one way a little bit. Yeah, look Fellas, 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.200 look Fellas. All right, So the Cowboys, it's been a 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.159 little bit of news here. I guess in the last 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.960 a few weeks. There may be a little bit more 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.480 in the next few days, but coming I would imagine 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.400 it with Cony Ely, Cony Ealy signing Cowboys with signed 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.080 defensive end Cony Ely, what does this mean? This just 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.600 another guy that can come in here and I love 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.599 to hear brought to this opinion on that. He was 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.920 very passionate about the Cowboys not signing this guy or 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.680 why they would sign him. But we went over all 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.520 that already. Well, but I mean, and we talked about this. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.800 I was on talking. We're just we're kind of just 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.680 double dipping, double dipping. But it's a little bit of both. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.520 I think it's it's this is a very reminiscent signing 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.719 of a lot of things the Cowboys have done. Honestly, 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.480 it makes me think of Jonathan Cooper a little bit, 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.280 A highly touted guy his career probably hasn't worked out 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.640 the way he thought it would given his draft stock. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.080 The Cowboys loved him, they brought him in on a visit, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.480 and he's available for for a cheap price. He's on 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.200 a one year deal. I think only two hundred grand 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:46.599 of his contract is guaranteed. So at best, he's a 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.200 guy who could come in and maybe find the form 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.719 that made him a top I think fifty draft pick 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.480 or whatever it was, and really be a big piece 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.960 of your pass rush. And at worst, he's a guy 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.560 that you don't you're not obligated to if if, if 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.880 it doesn't work out. I don't think there's anything that 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.000 keeps them from cutting him if they decide that that's 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.359 the best way forward. So boom boom, a high potential, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.159 low risk I guess that's what I'm trying to say 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:18.599 to me. That's he's Demontre Moore's the same him. Well yeah, okay, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.680 hopefully without hopefully without the bag, hopefully without that. And 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.800 this is a guy maybe this a little different because 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:25.839 this is a guy they had their eye on four 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.440 years ago, interested in him in the draft, put in 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.720 acclaim for him, I think so last year, last year, Yeah, yeah, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.080 so you know, they obviously like him a lot. Dave said, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.919 low risk. If he can step in be part of 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.880 a rotation, we'll see. Now. I'm interested to see how 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.080 it works so with Taco because he's got to earn 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.520 the snaps. But he got a lot of snaps after 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.440 Demontre Moore left and seemed to play better. So what 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.360 do you do there? Bottom line is Rod likes as 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.000 many possible ends as as he can. I mean, he 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.200 just wants, he just wants to shuffle guys in and out. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.000 But at some point, I think you'd like to see 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.599 Taco take the next step. Well, I would hope, and 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.120 I mean, who know, it's it's April, but I would 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.600 hope Cony Eely could work the right side with Tyrone 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.720 Crawford and Taco could work the left with DeMarcus Lawrence. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.840 That's what I would like to see. I think I 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.960 would put Taco at left end. I'm not trying to 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:19.000 turn that guy into a right end. Um three tech 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.440 work defensive tackle in general, but three tech if I 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.560 can for sure, because he talked about he told us 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.280 last year he's playing heavier and maybe end was a possibility. Well, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.040 and he played some end in twenty sixteen, not so 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.640 much last year. Yeah, Um he could. I he's so 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.600 disruptive at tackle, and I think, I mean there's some 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.200 stuff you got to figure out there. I know this 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.520 is assuming he'll be back, right, I mean it's April. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.760 What's today, April eleventh, So I mean in the deadlines 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.840 in nine days, we haven't heard a lick of news 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.960 about some of the offering David Irving a contract, So 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.560 I'm assuming he'll be here. Um, I would play him 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.080 at tackle. I wonder because I think Millie Collins is 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.480 a better three tech. Uh and David Irving is great 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.800 at upting the pastor too, so I wonder how they'll 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.320 balance that out. But and what are they draft? Yeah? 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.200 Draft draft somebody that could change everything? I think. I 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.320 think when you're you're talking about the end though, you've 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:14.880 got Cony Eely, Now you've got Taco Amber there. If 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.720 there's a great defensive end sitting there at nineteen, none 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.200 of these two guys, and even with the Marcus on 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.400 a one year deal, nobody's sitting at a defensive vent. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.160 That's going to prevent you from drafting another one, right, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.440 I mean one round, first first round? No, we're talking nineteen. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.840 I mean, yeah, No, nobody's going to prevent you from 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:38.120 from taking that spot. No, I mean because the Marcus 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.560 Lawrence is a key part two. I mean, he's not 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.480 it's not a guarantee that he's going to come back. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.920 You don't. You die enough guys right now to get 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.800 the job done, and that I feel good about. Is 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.440 it great? Like again bringing this guy in? Yeah, he 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.560 could take reps away from Taco, But at the same time, 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.680 you you want to allow that because what if Taco 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.480 goes out, then you want the guy coming up next 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.680 to we prepare us. Well, yeah, it's good. Rod wants 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.880 eight guys and just move them in and now keep 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.880 him fresh. So he wants he's all about quantity. I 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.960 sat next to him yesterday eating lunch, and he's a 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.440 lot closer to a three technique, if not a one 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.360 technique than he is talking about. I thought you're talking 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.319 about Rod For a second. I was like, right, I 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:24.079 don't think he should play any position? No, no, probably not. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.679 But Tony Ealy is a big guy. I mean, and 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.760 if he plays in that's great. Remember he was playing 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.679 in a three four scheme and defensive end. So you know, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.640 to me, three four defensive ends really a tackle and 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.240 right and that maybe that's where they're gonna they're gonna 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.400 play him. But totally, he's gonna have to change some 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.439 things around a little bit to be to be an end. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.480 But you know what's Taco's biggest problem, strength, you know, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.760 just and so maybe you're getting a guy that can 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.000 that can play the run a little bit. So it'll 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.960 be interesting to see. But I think it's a good move. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.800 I mean, he's not. It's probably great for him. It's 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.480 absolutely a good one. I mean, this is as good 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.400 as I think. I believe, this is as good as 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.840 I've felt about the Cowboys pass rush in the time 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.720 that I've covered the team. Just I mean, they got 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.520 they got guys and no, I mean it's not it's 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.760 not like the Von Miller, DeMarcus ware Denver pass rush, 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.880 but it's I think it's got a chance to be 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.000 really good. Especially I assume I know they're going to 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:18.800 add to it one way or the other, whether that's 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.560 with an edge rusher at nineteen or a d tackle 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.240 in the third or fourth round. They will draft. I 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.720 think they will spend a valuable draft pick on a 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.720 defensive lineman at some point, so you add that guy 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.880 into the mix, And honestly, I think that's important because 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.080 as good as they are primed to be this year, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.319 there's not a lot of certainty for next year. I mean, 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.160 DeMarcus is on a one year deal, Tyrone's coming up 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.640 on the end of his contract. Irving, if he plays here, 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.800 will likely be on a one year deal. Elie's on 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.920 a one year deal. Obviously, that's who we're talking about. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.840 So you've got a lot of question marks for twenty nineteen. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.800 So I think, you know, even with all the bodies 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.400 on the line, I think drafting guys is a great idea. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.920 Ye seems like this signing too, which is interesting to me. Yeah, well, 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.640 a little scary if you judge just straight off your mentions. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.520 But I felt like, I feel like they seem to 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.559 like the fact that it was a low cost guy 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.400 who's got some upside who they've heard about before, which 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.160 is a little different from the reactions we got early 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.440 in not to be where it's like, oh, you're just 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.280 signing low, low risk, low cost guys. I'm not trying 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.400 to be a total jerk, but fans get excited if 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.320 they know the name and Elie was a guy that 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.520 they brought in. I mean he was an official visitor. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.800 He was on the cover of our draft magazine a 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.280 couple of years ago. I mean, he was a big 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.440 time prospect and he has speaking of which speaking of 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.640 draft magazines or Daniel's plug, yes, and he's I mean 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.800 he has today nine five online. He has tapped into 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.800 that potential at points in his career. I mean, I 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.760 think we said it when we when we knew he 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.440 was coming into visit before we even signed. If the 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.000 Panthers had won Super Bowl fifty, he probably would have 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.959 been the MVP. Like he played out of his mind. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.439 So there's talent there that he can hopefully tap into. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.480 It's just a matter of whether or not he do it. Here, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.840 all right, let's shift gears a little bit to the 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.120 wide receiver position. I was going to ask you a question. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.600 It wasn't about wide receiver. Okay, Well you you went 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.480 to Canada and you did you had a trip over 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.960 there visiting. Uh, what is Crawford's Camp's name? Oh? I 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.360 thought you said, what is his name? It was Tyrone Crawford. No, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.800 his camp that he does Windsor's finest the Gods. There 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.600 you go, But the point is, here's something I'm curious about. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.480 You got a chance to talk to Tyren Smith, and yeah, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.839 he spoke about his injury and how he's feeling right now. Right, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.560 So how did he look out there? I know he 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:45.360 wasn't obviously doing on my list to talk about Tyrans. Sorry, sorry, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.480 I'm just saying. I mean, you got a chance to 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.240 talk to him. He's going to be on the team, 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:56.719 so we'll jump I mentioned you're trolling the implications around. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:59.280 He's going to be on this team for years. He's 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.800 the guy left tackle. I did talk to him a 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.880 little bit. He was doing He's doing great, he says, 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.360 he feels as good as he's felt in a long 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.560 long time his backfield, he said, great, amazing and awesome. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:15.920 How believable was that? Was it convincing? Well? Usually I 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.160 believed him, you know, I mean I think it was. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.480 It was convincing. Um typically, you know, when I'm looking 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.560 up at somebody like that, I say, when you go 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.200 to shake, you got to shake Tyrant Smith's hand, and 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.440 he just develops yours in this bear claw. Yeah, yes, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.520 Tyran sounds good. Yeah, whatever you sad better, whatever you say. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.640 Jerry did second that By the way, though the owner's 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.199 meetings of a couple weeks ago, he said no indication 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.880 from what he's been told he should be fine in 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.400 terms of his health. Had the decision to have surgery 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.400 and there really was no need for it. There no 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.199 need for surgery, which is which is good. So let's 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.880 let's see what happens. I mean, you're not going through 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.960 practices every single day, and I know which your point 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.000 is that, You're like, I'll believe it when I see it. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.800 When and he's got to go through sixteen games, I 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.760 get it, but I think for right now he's feeling good. Well, 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.520 it's good to hear that. Anyway, he's got to go. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.840 He's got and I'm such a huge tyrant Smith family. 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:07.960 He doesn't have to go through sixteen games. He's got 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.760 to go through like five practices in Oxnard. Where he does. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.120 I mean, if we get out there, if if the 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.640 narrative all offseason is that he feels as good as 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:18.760 he hasn't forever, and we get out there and on 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.080 day four he's on a vet day, I'm just like, ah, well, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.600 what's going on? Um? So That's what I'm curious to know. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.600 I want to know when we when they really start 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.440 playing football, even in just a practice setting, how's that 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.760 going to hold up? And not that they're concerned, but 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.120 they are clearly taking steps to improve their depth there. Now, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.000 we don't know how that's all going to shake out 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.720 in terms of that. Sound like, wow, Collins wants to play. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.120 They might have improved their depth there. Well, they don't 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.600 know that. They've taken steps to try to. Yeah, at 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.200 least they brought in a guy who's played in the 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.080 Super Bowl, started in the Super Bowl, Cameron Fleming, So 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.120 we'll see. They're obviously they looked at tyrant situation and 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.320 said we've got to upgrade the backup spot. Yeah, Jazz 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.440 Green is still on this football team. I think I 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.800 think they did better than getting a Byron Bell. I 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.920 think from what they did two years ago, I think 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:11.360 Fleming and Martin are Marcus Smartin are better. But you're right. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.240 I think it's all stems on Tyrn Smith and then 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.600 what happens there with Lionel Collins. I think Lyle's got 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.400 a chance to move inside, but I don't think he 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.800 is going to move in there. I think the Cowboys 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.080 are thinking about that. I think just like they're thinking 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.080 about Zach Martin playing tackle one day if he needs to. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.600 I think if you move a guy to write tackle 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.040 and he does well in his first year, I think 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.760 they'd be foolish to move him inside. We're gonna it's 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.000 gonna be fascinating because on this very set yesterday brought 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.840 us said in his gut he thinks that Lyle's gonna move, 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.800 and I agree, I agree wholeheartedly with you. The point 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.280 I was trying to make Rob is they've only done 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.320 something about their depth. If they don't try to make 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.960 guys move, I'm like, you only have you only have 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.000 three good tackles if one of them is not playing 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.560 guard otherwise, then you just have two good tackles again, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.000 and we'll see what happens. Yeah, and so yeah, I don't. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.760 I mean, I think I've said it in as many 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.000 ways as I can by now that I hate that idea. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.040 I mean, we'll see what they decide to do. And 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.720 then obviously the draft plays into that as well. If 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.080 they draft an offensive tackle high, then that gives them 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:16.640 a little bit of freedom to play around if they 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.160 want to. But same with guard. Yeah, yeah, that's that's 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.480 exactly what we talked about. With David Irving. You know, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.280 let's see if they get an end or tackle, it 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.320 might decide where he plays. I think if they get 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.800 a guard or a tackle an offense here, that might 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.880 decide where Lyle plays. That's that's the advantage of a 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.360 position flex. But it's not really good for the player. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.400 We've talked about this on Talking Cowboys. I'm sure you 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.840 guys have two player. What do we say about Byron Jones? 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.880 You know, versatility great? Do you still at this point 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.840 three years in, where does he play? That's I think 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.160 with Lyle you saw enough progress. I thought he played 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.160 his best football down the stretch, even when he kind 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.640 of dealing with a back injury. He might have been 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.840 the best player on the team down the last month 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.720 of the season. In all honesty, all the top guys 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.880 that he faced, all the reps, he got what you invested. 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.640 To me, he's he's such a piece of what you're 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.000 trying to do going forward. I wouldn't move him back, 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.480 but again, it's that whole best five thing, So we'll 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.600 just see how it shakes out. I hate the best. Well, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.400 hey man, that's just my opinion right now. Don't don't 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.359 mutter it. Say I hate the best five thing. I 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:25.960 hate it. I did too, because because Lyell Collins is 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.879 a good right tackle. Yeah, but he's not necessarily a 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.400 good as good at guard. I mean, who's to say 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.880 that just because he's the best five. This isn't basketball 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.160 where they all kind of can do the same things, 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:42.000 which just the best five players play. It's it's different. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.120 I understand the logic, but I agree with you guys, 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.000 because I think you could argue Chaz Green, if he 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.920 hadn't started at guard, he might have been a better 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.399 tackle when needed to play late in the season because 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.080 he had spent those reps at tackle in training camp 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.560 and not trying to play another position. They tried to 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.440 do that best five thing with him and then moved 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.360 him back to tackle, and when he did was time 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.359 to play, obviously he struggled. Yeah, all right, I agree 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.440 with Let me just add real quick to throw it 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.880 in to that, but real quick if that was the case, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.520 I mean, I wouldn't be feeling devastated. I would obviously 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.920 rather um Lyle Collins have played tackle, But him playing 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.000 a guard, he still did a good job there, and 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.000 he I think he's good enough of a player to 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.840 overcome that and be great at guard too. So I 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.240 don't worst thing in the world. I don't disagree with you, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.159 but it's just like why why I get it? But 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.680 worst case, I mean, it's still not a worst case 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.240 hashtag best five. I'm gonna reserve. I'm gonna reserve getting 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.119 too angry about it until we see what happens in 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:45.000 the draft. But I don't I have another theory about 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.960 this that that could be what the Cowboys are thinking. Here, 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.960 we'll take a break. Here, we'll be back and we 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.080 can discuss the offensive tackle and then maybe we'll get 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.040 to the wide receiver place, maybe talk about as well. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:56.760 Be right back on the break. 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