WEBVTT - 12. Prison Vent 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:05.200 We are back with a brand new, never reported account 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.880 of the alleged assassination of Congressman Nick Beget and Hail Bogs, 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.280 an account we uncovered in part because of your help 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.000 from my Heart Media. This is Missing in Alaska, the 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:23.960 story of two congressmen who vanished in nineteen seventy two 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:26.760 and my quest to figure out what happened to them. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:38.520 I'm your host, John Wallzac. At the end of episode six, 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.800 I gave you an important task. Help me figure out 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.000 the identity of a tipster who forwarded mysterious letters to 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:51.000 the FBI. In these letters apparently contained important information about 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.280 the alleged bombing of the missing plane. I learned about 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.320 them via Freedom of Information Act request I filed with 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.160 the FBI, but I got back from the f I 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.960 was minimal and heavily redacted. The names of everyone involved. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.959 The two people who exchanged the letters and the tipster 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.959 who forwarded their correspondence were blacked out for some reason, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.880 though the FBI did not blackout the tipsters work, address, 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.080 phone number, or facts. So I gave that information to you, 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.720 and I asked you to help me identify the tipster. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.760 One astute listener quickly realized that I made a small mistake. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.160 I gave you the wrong number. My bad. I was 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.280 off by a single digit. The FBI gave me a 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.240 poor quality copy of the facts, and I mistook an 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.880 eight for a six. Anyway, the listener, who doesn't want 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.760 to be named, dug up CD rom phone directories from 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.280 the nineties. She booted up an old computer, black screen, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.160 green letters and numbers, the type my parents had when 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.640 I was a kid. She punched in the number and Wola. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.520 She figured out where the tipster worked, the First Amendment 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.800 Center at Vanderbilt University. Several other listen nurs later figured 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.240 this out too, but she was the first with that clue. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.000 I made an educated guest about the tipster's identity. I 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.560 guess that the tipster was, in fact John segin Thaller, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:16.680 a journalist and political activist who founded the First Amendment Center. Unfortunately, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:21.120 segen Faller died. I tried to reach his son and 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.600 his secretary, but no luck, no response. So I turned 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:30.320 once more to my favorite research tool archives. Segen Thaller 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.560 was important, so I figured, hey, maybe his papers are 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:38.480 preserved and they are lucky for me. A Vanderbilt archivist 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.600 named Zack Johnson had just finished processing them. Zach told 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.079 me he would dig around to see what he could find. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:50.680 Two weeks later he emailed me. Amazingly, Zack found the letter, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.680 the blacked out letter the FBI gave me, except he 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:59.040 found the original, confirming that John segin Thaller was the tipster, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.359 the person I asked you to help me find. Zach 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:11.119 sent me a PDF of the letter. Here. It is January. 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:16.560 Mr Tommy Boggs, fifty North Street, Northwest, Washington, d C. 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:21.760 To zero zero three seven. Dear Tommy, I apologize for 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.880 the delay in getting this information to you. Dolores fell 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.000 and injured her shoulder, and I've been out of the 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:31.200 office since we talked. Enclosed is the correspondence. The two 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.320 people involved are William Scott Day, the author of the letters. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.920 He is a serial killer who, as I mentioned to you, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.280 murdered my brother's mother in law several years ago. Lyle Jackson, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.080 the recipient of the letters, a photojournalist who until recently 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.320 worked for our center. While did a television story on 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.360 day after he was captured, and since then they have 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:56.800 exchanged occasional letters. Lyle, knowing of my interest in Day, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.200 shared these letters on the day before I phoned you. 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.960 The Hoover angle sounds far fetched to me. A convict 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.760 conning a convict. On the other hand, however, the insurance 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.560 motive obviously could have some basis in fact. At any rate, 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.320 I will keep you informed if there are any subsequent letters. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:19.279 Best regards, John Seagan Thaller. So Segan Thaller first sent 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.440 the letters to Tommy Boggs hail Son, not the FBI. 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.039 Then either Segan Thaller, Boggs, or both. But I think 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.840 Segan Thaller gave the FBI copies of the letters exchanged 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.920 between William Scott Day, the serial killer and Lyle Jackson, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:39.320 the journalist. Yes, this new account of the alleged assassination 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:43.120 comes from newly uncovered letters written by a serial killer. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.280 Here's the deal. Day was in prison for multiple murders. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:52.440 He stabbed, strangled, smashed in heads and slit throats. Violent guy. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.240 He escaped prison multiple times and killed people in Tennessee, Texas, 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:01.400 and Arizona. Because of the Arizona mur Day ended up 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.040 for a while in a cell next to Jerry Paisley, 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.120 of all people. And that brings me to the second 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.920 PDF that Zach the Vanderbilt archivists. Sent Zach also found 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.440 copies of the letters Day sent Jackson. I'm about to 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.240 read them to you, but first let me note that 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.159 while I am reading most of the contents of the letters, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.200 I'm not sharing them in their entirety. There are personal details, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.440 mainly about Jackson the journalist, that are not pertinent to 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:36.400 this story, so I'm leaving them out. Otherwise, here you go, September, 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.680 dear lyle it's good to hear from you. Reset your 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.880 calendar to November seven. That's when my sentence sing will 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.080 take place. My lawyer wants more time to prepare for 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.880 my sentence saying November God, I'm never going to get 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.320 out of here. My sentencing hearing will take place on September. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.440 My family will be here and friends too, but actual 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:04.080 sentence saying won't be till November seven. Your life sounds 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:08.159 exciting New Mexico one day, l A the next, I 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.440 have a fantastic story for you. My neighbor is a 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.760 small time mafia dude. He killed a big time Arian 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.960 brotherhood dude and there's a contract out on him by 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:22.160 the A B. Guido. My neighbor is fifty four years old. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.040 And looking for a way out. He's talking to the 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.000 FEDS about the plane that was carrying US Congressman Hail 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.760 bogs that went down in nineteen seventy two. Cokey Roberts 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.400 his Hail Boggs, his daughter. Boggs was chairman of the 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.760 House Ways and Means Committee and wanted to cut the 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.159 budget of the FBI. Guido claims he placed the bomb 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.560 on the plane on the orders of his boss, who 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.920 was doing a favor for Hoover. That's the sticky part 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.640 for the FEDS. They believe a bomb was on the plane, 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.760 but don't want to believe Hoover had it done. If 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.239 and when this breaks, it will be national news. Guido 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.600 and the FEDS are dickering this thing out. It's pretty wild. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.640 Guido told me the EDS would accept the story and 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.120 him if he'll drop the Hoover part. He's thinking it over. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.480 He wants to go to federal prison instead of state prison. 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.720 It's a pretty incredible story, and I don't know how 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.480 much to believe, but I don't put anything past Hoover. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:19.000 Remember you heard it here first, smile. I've been listening 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.320 to how the West was Lost by Ken Burns on 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:26.080 the local PBS station. It's outstanding. Well, my friend, I'll go. 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.120 I'll keep you posted, Take care, peace, be a good 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:36.040 human right when you can as always. Scott, October two, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.680 dear Lyle, thanks for writing. It's always good to hear 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.080 from you. Before getting into the Guido story, let me 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.280 catch you up on my never ending saga. My sentencing 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.360 hearing has been reset for November six and seven, and 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.480 actual sentencing for the November. I won't see my family 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.120 till then. I was very bummed out over the last 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.760 second delay, but I'm over it now. I'll keep you 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.360 pos stood. Now onto Guido. He is a walking and 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.520 talking story. My problem is I don't know how much 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.480 is truth and how much is macho. We have to 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.640 talk through our air events, all very prison like. He 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.520 told me last night that he wasn't at liberty to say, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.640 but the ship was going to hit the fans soon. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.920 Here's what I know. Guido took the making of a 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.360 bomb to Alaska in nineteen seventy two. He and Danny 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.360 Zivinich put it together and placed aboard the plane Hail 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.280 Boggs was in. There was also a state congressman on 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.559 the plane. Guido says he got two birds with one stone. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.400 Guido married the widow of the state congressman within a 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.240 year of the crash. The insurance policy paid off about 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.720 the time they married. He says she knew nothing about 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.920 the hit. I asked how he met her, and he 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.400 refuses to say. When the pipeline started. In seventy three, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.880 he and some friends started a coke pipeline from Tucson 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.640 to Alaska. Guido bought a bar and sold coke along 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.840 with booze. He also bought a house in Alaska and Tusson. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.960 This is where the motive gets murky. There was a 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.160 big insurance policy on the state congressman. Plus he was 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.640 very law in order, and some people wanted to run 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.959 their own man against him, or to fill his seat 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.080 in case of his demise. Guido is tight lipped when 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.400 it comes to his marriage or the motive for killing 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.800 the state congressman. He is very emphatic about Hoover wanting 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.280 Bog's taken out. He said the order came from Pete Lacavoli, 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.880 who was the head mafia guy in Tucson at the time. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.240 Didn't Hoover die in nineteen seventy two, I can't remember 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.560 Guido has no reason to bullshit me. I'm an old 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.120 head and stories don't impress me. He is consistent in 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.199 telling me the story. He doesn't get his facts screwed up, 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.280 so I believe him. On the hill Bogg's part, his 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.319 marriage to the widow and the big insurance policy leaves 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.120 me wondering. The people who wanted to run their candidate 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.720 did and one. Guido stayed in Alaska till the pipeline 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.360 was almost finished. He got into a shooting war with 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.480 the Cross Brothers out of Vegas over territory for coke sales. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.600 That's when it got too hot for him and his 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.400 marriage was over. By then, he came back to Hussan 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.559 and began blowing up businesses who wouldn't take their vending machines. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.520 I know that is true because my investigator in the 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.400 Public Defender's office was a cop back then and says 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.679 he remembers the places being hit. A bar called Pj's, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.120 a place called Paulo's Prime Rib and several beauty shops. 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.360 It was called the Dynamite Wars. The Banano family was 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.520 running Tucson by then. Guido is at court this morning, 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.079 so I can't ask him about Dateline NBC. Yet wouldn't 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.679 it be a scoop on ABC and Coke Roberts if 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.280 NBC broke the story? After all, Cokey was hail boss 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.800 daughter smile. Guido and me talk very clandestinely through the 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.319 air vents. We're not supposed to do that. We're neighbors, 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.040 so if we talk quietly we can get away with it. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.280 By the way, Guido is being tried for a seventeen 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.560 year old murder. The guy he killed lost eighteen hundred 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.840 pounds of coke in an airplane crash, so Guido shot 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.640 him three times in the head. Nice guy, huh. Guido 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.680 is back and I told him about Dateline NBC and 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.200 he wants to talk it over with his investigator, who 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.200 has his own agenda, like writing a book. I'll let 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.240 you know what he decides as soon as possible. Until then, 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:13.840 take care, peace, be a good human, Be cool as always. Scott, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:20.760 October three, dear lyle Guido passes on the Dateline NBC project. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.000 He has so many irons in the fire it's mind boggling. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.959 He is being investigated for murder in Alaska and elsewhere. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.679 He says the FEDS want him to be low profile 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.760 and quiet about the bombing of Hail Boggs's plane in 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.600 exchange for letting him serve his time in another state 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.959 where the Arian Brotherhood doesn't want to kill him. Lyle, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.520 the guy is involved up to his ass in crime, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.000 but he also bullshits too. He says the FEDS want 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.520 to keep the Hoover connection quiet. Personally, I think he's 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.640 making deals with them on more stuff than just the 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.440 Bog's situation. He is fifty four, in bad health and 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.040 looking for a safe place to serve his time. He 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.400 has a hundred and sixteen years to serve right now, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.360 so no big scoop here. I believe the Box situation 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.920 can't be kept quiet. Have your friend from Dateline NBC 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.679 called the U S attorney in Tucson and confront him 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.920 on the plane bombing. Who knows it might work. I'll 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:19.040 go now, take care, be a good human, Scott. Maybe 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.080 your friend can break the story. Guido's real name is 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:31.000 Jerome Max Paisley. October Dear Lyle, how goes the war? 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.640 Hope You're winning? Guido is pressing me about when someone 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.240 from NBC will contact him or his investigator. He is 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.720 one of those immediate gratification kind of people. He's collecting 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.800 newspaper articles from here in Alaska to show the producer. 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.720 He's biting at the bit to tell his story, and 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.360 even his lawyer and investigator are behind him. He's hoping 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.720 if he goes national it will help him out of 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.520 this state's prison system, where his life is worth about 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.600 two cents. He already has a hundred and sixteen years 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.640 to do and the state is trying to give him 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.160 another twenty five to life. He's fifty four, so he's 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.840 never getting out. It's a matter of where he does 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.760 the time. I'll keep this brief. I've been writing you 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.720 a lot lately. Right if you get the chance, take 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:20.040 care peace. I get sentenced November. My lawyer is cautiously optimistic. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.880 I'm scared to hope, so I'm looking for the worst. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:31.760 Be a good human later, Scott October, Dear Lyle, it's 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.760 good to hear from you. Guido is no longer my neighbor. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.599 Damn it. They moved him to the pod next door. Nevertheless, 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.040 I can still get the facts to him. Your friend 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.000 at Dateline acts like a bomb would be right in 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.800 front of his face. The balls in Guido's court now, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.360 so we'll see what happens. Guido showed me news clippings 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.920 of some of his exploits, so he's not just telling 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.920 jail house stories. He's for real. We'll see if this 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.960 pans out or not. I turned forty four on Saturday 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.240 and feel damn lucky. My heart feels twenty one, but 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.400 my body cracks, pops and creeks every time I move. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.400 I've given up on pop music. I only listened to 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.880 the oldiest station now, much like Al Bundy. Well, that 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.880 covers my end. I'll keep you posted on Guido. I 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.679 don't think he's lying. Take care, peace, be a good 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:24.880 human Zen is my motto now as always. Scott, October 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:30.360 thirty one, dear lyle, Happy Halloween. I heard from Guido today, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.200 so I thought i'd update you. His investigator, Bob Annenberg, 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.200 is in touch with Chris. Chris asked for more info 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.480 and Guido complied. It occurred to me that Chris depends 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.200 on Nexus too much. If it was already news old news, 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.600 it wouldn't be new news, duh. Guido wouldn't have a 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.400 story if it was common knowledge. This has been a 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.400 secret for a long time. Guido is now using it 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.280 to get out of the Arizona prison system. After all, 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.840 he is snitching on other people. We'll see where it goes. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:04.440 I'll keep you posted. My aggravation slash mitigation hearing begins 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.840 next Monday. That's where the prosecutor presents to the judge 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.920 reasons why I should be killed, and my side presents 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.720 reasons why I shouldn't. My family is going to be 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.160 here from the fourth through the eight and I'm really 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.520 excited about seeing them. My sister has a sixteen week 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.520 old newborn I'll get to see. I'm a sucker for babies. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.000 I'll keep you posted on Guido and my legal woes. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.560 I already know my November sentencing day is going to 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.240 be postponed. Man, living with this type of uncertainty is 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.560 killing me. Literally, Take care, peace, Be a good human 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:45.400 as always, Scott, and that's it. I don't have any 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:49.920 more letters. Neither does Lyle Jackson, the journalist who confirmed 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.160 to me that he did correspond with Day for about 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.640 a year. After that, he said he stopped. The letters 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.960 got too creepy and manipulative. He tossed them in the trash. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.720 Jackson said he has no memory of discussing the bombing 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:31.760 allegations with Day. Day died in two thousand and six. Okay, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.760 so a ton to digest here first and foremost, via 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.000 William Scott Day, a serial killer, we now have the 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.560 third known recorded account of Paisley's bombing claim. The other 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.520 two are the transcript of the jail house interview Paisley 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:50.280 did with investigators in November and the report prepared by 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:56.560 private investigator Robert Annenberg in August. All three accounts share similarities, 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.200 but there are also major discrepancies between what Paisley told 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.280 investigators and what he told Day, a fellow prisoner. In 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.639 every account, Paisley said that he transported a suitcase to 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.639 Alaska and that the missing congressman's plane was bombed. He 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.680 also repeatedly cited the large life insurance payout Peggy Beggett's 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:20.040 received after Nick Beggett disappeared. But like I said, there 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.719 are major discrepancies. First, it's important to state the obvious. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.240 Two accounts were recorded by professional investigators. The third was 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.960 recorded by a fellow prisoner, William Scott Day, who spoke 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.200 to Paisley through an air vent. While Day's letters contain 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:40.000 details he couldn't possibly have known without speaking to Paisley. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.439 They also contain minor errors that seemed to be his fault, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:48.320 not Paisley's. For example, Dave repeatedly refers to Nick Beggett 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:54.000 as quote a state congressman. Obviously Beggatte was a US congressman. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.720 My best guess is that Paisley used the phrase Alaska 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:03.440 congressman and Dave misinterpreted it. Now that said, onto the discrepancies, 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:08.840 we have A the suitcase. B Paisley's role see Peggy 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.720 Beggatt's role and d which mob boss was behind the 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:17.520 bombing A the suitcase. In the first two accounts, Paisley 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.439 claimed that he did not know what was in the 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.439 suitcase he transported to Anchorage in nineteen seventy two until later. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.359 In the third account, he obviously knew early on that 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:32.800 it contained explosives. B. Paisley's role. In the first two accounts, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.600 Paisley said that all he did was fly the suitcase 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.000 to Anchorage. In the third account, he stated that he 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.800 helped piece together a bomb and that he and Danny 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.800 z Ivanitch put it on the congressman's plane See Peggy 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.639 Beggatt's role. In the first two accounts, Paisley said Peggy 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.600 visited Tucson around August nineteen seventy two and knew about 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.600 the plot. In the third, he said she had no 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.919 knowledge of the plot and d which mob boss was 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.719 behind the bombing. In the first two accounts, Paisley implicated 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.800 Joe Bonano. In the third, he said Pete Lacavoli ordered 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:16.760 the hit. So why the discrepancies? Which version is true? 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:22.000 Or again, is the entire story falls? Was everything? Paisley said, 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.720 a lie. My best guess is that the truth lies 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.480 somewhere in the middle, but that the third account, the 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.240 unfiltered account shared with a fellow prisoner, not law enforcement, 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.280 is closer to the truth. In the third account, Paisley 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:40.159 knew the suitcase contained explosives. That makes more sense to 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.879 me than his previous oh shucks, guys, I didn't know 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:47.000 what was in it statements and notice. In the third account, 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:51.320 Paisley was very specific, more nuanced, and saying he transported 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.480 the making of a bomb to Alaska, not already to 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.600 go bomb. That makes more sense to me. In the 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.960 third account, William Scott Day wrote that Paisley and Danny 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.800 Zivinich put the bomb together and quote placed aboard the plane. 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.200 Hail Boggs was in Paisley helping to finalize the bomb. 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.879 I can see Paisley helping to put it on the 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.560 missing plane. No, to my knowledge, he was in Arizona, 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.639 not Alaska when the plane disappeared. My best guess is 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.920 that Day misheard part of what Paisley said, but it's 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.399 just as likely that Day heard Paisley correctly and Paisley lied. 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.880 Most importantly, in the third account, Paisley claimed that mob 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.920 boss Pete Lacavoli senor not Joe Bonano, ordered the hit. 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.400 That lines up with what I speculated in episode eleven 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.080 tail end, And let me be clear, we finalized the 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.760 script for episode eleven, which was supposed to be our 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:47.080 last episode, before we got copies of the third account 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:51.320 Day's letters. In episode eleven, I cited several pieces of 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.880 information to support my speculation that Paisley subbed in Joe 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.919 Bonano for Pete laka Oli. In the first two accounts, 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.399 one all of the mob connected men in the Peggy 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.240 Paisley wedding photos the red Dot photos were primarily tied 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.520 to the lick of OLiS, not the bananas, and Paisley 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.280 and Peggy honeymoons in Mexico with two of Pete look 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.760 of Oli seniors kids, Pete Jr. And Cathy. Two. The 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:19.080 Conti KI, where Paisley claimed Peggy met with mob boss 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.440 Joe Bonano, was actually owned in part at least by 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:27.160 the lick of OLiS, not the Bananas. And three at 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.560 least one FBI informant witnessed Paisley with Pete lick of 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.520 Oli Sr. Only twenty seven days before the congressman disappeared, 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.600 around the same time Paisley said he flew the suitcase 0:21:37.680 --> 0:22:05.879 to Anchorage. Now there's one final discrepancy to examine, and 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.280 that's Peggy Beggett's alleged role in the plot. In this case, 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.840 I tend to believe the first two accounts, and I 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:16.159 know that seems extremely unfair. But here's why. Something in 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.920 the third account Day's letters strikes me as odd. Here 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.400 two quotes. Quote Guido is tight lipped when it comes 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.680 to his marriage or the motive for killing the state 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:30.280 congressman end quote, and quote I asked how he met her, 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:34.359 and he refuses to say end quote. The official story 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:36.399 is that Paisley and Peggy met at the holiday in 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:41.240 an Anchorage in late nineteen If true, Why wouldn't Paisley 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.200 just tell that today? Why would he refuse to say 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.440 how he met Peggy? Why would he be quote tight 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.480 lipped about their marriage because usually there's nothing to hide 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.000 about meeting someone at a holiday inn, and he was 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.639 spilling all the other details. On the other hand, if 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:01.520 Paisley made up the entire thing, well still, why would 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.640 he refuse to say how he met Peggy? If everything 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.800 was a lie? If he wanted to tell Day the 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.520 most colorful story flip it around, wouldn't he just tell 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.359 Day what he told investigators that Peggy met with a 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.959 mob boss at the Contiki. I think Paisley regretted dragging 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.040 Peggy into the story at all, because after the first 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.880 two accounts, he never again claimed that she had any 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.439 role in the alleged bomb plot. It is possible that 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.760 Peggy had no knowledge of or incomplete knowledge of the 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:33.720 alleged plot. It is possible she was manipulated and used. 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:38.440 I don't know. Next, I need to address Paisley's allegations 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:42.280 about j Edgar Hoover. Paisley told Day that Hoover wanted 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:46.240 hail Bog's dead, but Hoover died in May nineteen seventy two, 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:51.200 five months before Boggs disappeared, something even William Scott Day 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.040 noted in his letters to me and John Seagan Dollar 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:59.000 this part sounds off. What makes sense to me is 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:03.040 that Paisley was entirely sure why the congressman's plane was bombed. 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:06.600 If his story is true, either version of it. His 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.639 role was at the least to transport a suitcase to 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.840 anchorage and at the most to help build a bomb. 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:15.600 But I doubt mob leaders would have looped him in 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:20.080 on their inner thinking their exact motives. Paisley wasn't omnipotent 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.880 if the story is true, It's not like he would 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:26.600 know every single detail. He wasn't the mastermind. He didn't 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:31.080 claim to be the mastermind. But obviously if he transported 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:34.000 a suitcase to anchorage, if he knew the missing plane 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:37.320 was bombed, of course he would have wondered why, which 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:42.120 could explain the Hoover angle speculation. Or again, maybe it's 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:46.439 all bs. Despite flaws, I still think the third account 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:49.640 via William Scott Day is closer to the truth than 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.840 the first two accounts. And doesn't that make sense to you? 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:56.240 Tube This was Jerry Paisley speaking with a fellow prisoner 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.240 through an air vent, not to investigators with a tape 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.360 recorder rolling. We don't even know whether or not Paisley 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:06.200 was aware that Day wrote everything down. Now that said, 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.480 the fact that there are discrepancies between the three accounts 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.639