1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: We are back with a brand new, never reported account 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: of the alleged assassination of Congressman Nick Beget and Hail Bogs, 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: an account we uncovered in part because of your help 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: from my Heart Media. This is Missing in Alaska, the 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: story of two congressmen who vanished in nineteen seventy two 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: and my quest to figure out what happened to them. 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm your host, John Wallzac. At the end of episode six, 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: I gave you an important task. Help me figure out 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: the identity of a tipster who forwarded mysterious letters to 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: the FBI. In these letters apparently contained important information about 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: the alleged bombing of the missing plane. I learned about 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: them via Freedom of Information Act request I filed with 13 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: the FBI, but I got back from the f I 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: was minimal and heavily redacted. The names of everyone involved. 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: The two people who exchanged the letters and the tipster 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: who forwarded their correspondence were blacked out for some reason, 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: though the FBI did not blackout the tipsters work, address, 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: phone number, or facts. So I gave that information to you, 19 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: and I asked you to help me identify the tipster. 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: One astute listener quickly realized that I made a small mistake. 21 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: I gave you the wrong number. My bad. I was 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: off by a single digit. The FBI gave me a 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: poor quality copy of the facts, and I mistook an 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: eight for a six. Anyway, the listener, who doesn't want 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: to be named, dug up CD rom phone directories from 26 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: the nineties. She booted up an old computer, black screen, 27 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: green letters and numbers, the type my parents had when 28 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: I was a kid. She punched in the number and Wola. 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: She figured out where the tipster worked, the First Amendment 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: Center at Vanderbilt University. Several other listen nurs later figured 31 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: this out too, but she was the first with that clue. 32 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: I made an educated guest about the tipster's identity. I 33 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: guess that the tipster was, in fact John segin Thaller, 34 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: a journalist and political activist who founded the First Amendment Center. Unfortunately, 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: segen Faller died. I tried to reach his son and 36 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: his secretary, but no luck, no response. So I turned 37 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: once more to my favorite research tool archives. Segen Thaller 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: was important, so I figured, hey, maybe his papers are 39 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: preserved and they are lucky for me. A Vanderbilt archivist 40 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: named Zack Johnson had just finished processing them. Zach told 41 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: me he would dig around to see what he could find. 42 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: Two weeks later he emailed me. Amazingly, Zack found the letter, 43 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: the blacked out letter the FBI gave me, except he 44 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: found the original, confirming that John segin Thaller was the tipster, 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: the person I asked you to help me find. Zach 46 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: sent me a PDF of the letter. Here. It is January. 47 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Mr Tommy Boggs, fifty North Street, Northwest, Washington, d C. 48 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: To zero zero three seven. Dear Tommy, I apologize for 49 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: the delay in getting this information to you. Dolores fell 50 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: and injured her shoulder, and I've been out of the 51 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: office since we talked. Enclosed is the correspondence. The two 52 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: people involved are William Scott Day, the author of the letters. 53 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: He is a serial killer who, as I mentioned to you, 54 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: murdered my brother's mother in law several years ago. Lyle Jackson, 55 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: the recipient of the letters, a photojournalist who until recently 56 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: worked for our center. While did a television story on 57 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: day after he was captured, and since then they have 58 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: exchanged occasional letters. Lyle, knowing of my interest in Day, 59 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: shared these letters on the day before I phoned you. 60 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: The Hoover angle sounds far fetched to me. A convict 61 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: conning a convict. On the other hand, however, the insurance 62 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: motive obviously could have some basis in fact. At any rate, 63 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: I will keep you informed if there are any subsequent letters. 64 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: Best regards, John Seagan Thaller. So Segan Thaller first sent 65 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: the letters to Tommy Boggs hail Son, not the FBI. 66 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: Then either Segan Thaller, Boggs, or both. But I think 67 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: Segan Thaller gave the FBI copies of the letters exchanged 68 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: between William Scott Day, the serial killer and Lyle Jackson, 69 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: the journalist. Yes, this new account of the alleged assassination 70 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: comes from newly uncovered letters written by a serial killer. 71 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Day was in prison for multiple murders. 72 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: He stabbed, strangled, smashed in heads and slit throats. Violent guy. 73 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: He escaped prison multiple times and killed people in Tennessee, Texas, 74 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: and Arizona. Because of the Arizona mur Day ended up 75 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: for a while in a cell next to Jerry Paisley, 76 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: of all people. And that brings me to the second 77 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: PDF that Zach the Vanderbilt archivists. Sent Zach also found 78 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: copies of the letters Day sent Jackson. I'm about to 79 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: read them to you, but first let me note that 80 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: while I am reading most of the contents of the letters, 81 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sharing them in their entirety. There are personal details, 82 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: mainly about Jackson the journalist, that are not pertinent to 83 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: this story, so I'm leaving them out. Otherwise, here you go, September, 84 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: dear lyle it's good to hear from you. Reset your 85 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: calendar to November seven. That's when my sentence sing will 86 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: take place. My lawyer wants more time to prepare for 87 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: my sentence saying November God, I'm never going to get 88 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: out of here. My sentencing hearing will take place on September. 89 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: My family will be here and friends too, but actual 90 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: sentence saying won't be till November seven. Your life sounds 91 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: exciting New Mexico one day, l A the next, I 92 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: have a fantastic story for you. My neighbor is a 93 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: small time mafia dude. He killed a big time Arian 94 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: brotherhood dude and there's a contract out on him by 95 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: the A B. Guido. My neighbor is fifty four years old. 96 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: And looking for a way out. He's talking to the 97 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: FEDS about the plane that was carrying US Congressman Hail 98 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: bogs that went down in nineteen seventy two. Cokey Roberts 99 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: his Hail Boggs, his daughter. Boggs was chairman of the 100 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: House Ways and Means Committee and wanted to cut the 101 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: budget of the FBI. Guido claims he placed the bomb 102 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: on the plane on the orders of his boss, who 103 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: was doing a favor for Hoover. That's the sticky part 104 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: for the FEDS. They believe a bomb was on the plane, 105 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: but don't want to believe Hoover had it done. If 106 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 1: and when this breaks, it will be national news. Guido 107 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: and the FEDS are dickering this thing out. It's pretty wild. 108 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: Guido told me the EDS would accept the story and 109 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: him if he'll drop the Hoover part. He's thinking it over. 110 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: He wants to go to federal prison instead of state prison. 111 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: It's a pretty incredible story, and I don't know how 112 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: much to believe, but I don't put anything past Hoover. 113 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: Remember you heard it here first, smile. I've been listening 114 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: to how the West was Lost by Ken Burns on 115 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: the local PBS station. It's outstanding. Well, my friend, I'll go. 116 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: I'll keep you posted, Take care, peace, be a good 117 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: human right when you can as always. Scott, October two, 118 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: dear Lyle, thanks for writing. It's always good to hear 119 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: from you. Before getting into the Guido story, let me 120 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: catch you up on my never ending saga. My sentencing 121 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: hearing has been reset for November six and seven, and 122 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: actual sentencing for the November. I won't see my family 123 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: till then. I was very bummed out over the last 124 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: second delay, but I'm over it now. I'll keep you 125 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: pos stood. Now onto Guido. He is a walking and 126 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: talking story. My problem is I don't know how much 127 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: is truth and how much is macho. We have to 128 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: talk through our air events, all very prison like. He 129 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: told me last night that he wasn't at liberty to say, 130 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: but the ship was going to hit the fans soon. 131 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: Here's what I know. Guido took the making of a 132 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: bomb to Alaska in nineteen seventy two. He and Danny 133 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: Zivinich put it together and placed aboard the plane Hail 134 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: Boggs was in. There was also a state congressman on 135 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: the plane. Guido says he got two birds with one stone. 136 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: Guido married the widow of the state congressman within a 137 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: year of the crash. The insurance policy paid off about 138 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: the time they married. He says she knew nothing about 139 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: the hit. I asked how he met her, and he 140 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: refuses to say. When the pipeline started. In seventy three, 141 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: he and some friends started a coke pipeline from Tucson 142 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: to Alaska. Guido bought a bar and sold coke along 143 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: with booze. He also bought a house in Alaska and Tusson. 144 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: This is where the motive gets murky. There was a 145 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: big insurance policy on the state congressman. Plus he was 146 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: very law in order, and some people wanted to run 147 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: their own man against him, or to fill his seat 148 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: in case of his demise. Guido is tight lipped when 149 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: it comes to his marriage or the motive for killing 150 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: the state congressman. He is very emphatic about Hoover wanting 151 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: Bog's taken out. He said the order came from Pete Lacavoli, 152 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: who was the head mafia guy in Tucson at the time. 153 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: Didn't Hoover die in nineteen seventy two, I can't remember 154 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: Guido has no reason to bullshit me. I'm an old 155 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: head and stories don't impress me. He is consistent in 156 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: telling me the story. He doesn't get his facts screwed up, 157 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: so I believe him. On the hill Bogg's part, his 158 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: marriage to the widow and the big insurance policy leaves 159 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: me wondering. The people who wanted to run their candidate 160 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: did and one. Guido stayed in Alaska till the pipeline 161 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: was almost finished. He got into a shooting war with 162 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: the Cross Brothers out of Vegas over territory for coke sales. 163 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: That's when it got too hot for him and his 164 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: marriage was over. By then, he came back to Hussan 165 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: and began blowing up businesses who wouldn't take their vending machines. 166 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: I know that is true because my investigator in the 167 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: Public Defender's office was a cop back then and says 168 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: he remembers the places being hit. A bar called Pj's, 169 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: a place called Paulo's Prime Rib and several beauty shops. 170 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: It was called the Dynamite Wars. The Banano family was 171 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: running Tucson by then. Guido is at court this morning, 172 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: so I can't ask him about Dateline NBC. Yet wouldn't 173 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: it be a scoop on ABC and Coke Roberts if 174 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: NBC broke the story? After all, Cokey was hail boss 175 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: daughter smile. Guido and me talk very clandestinely through the 176 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: air vents. We're not supposed to do that. We're neighbors, 177 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: so if we talk quietly we can get away with it. 178 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: By the way, Guido is being tried for a seventeen 179 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: year old murder. The guy he killed lost eighteen hundred 180 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: pounds of coke in an airplane crash, so Guido shot 181 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: him three times in the head. Nice guy, huh. Guido 182 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: is back and I told him about Dateline NBC and 183 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: he wants to talk it over with his investigator, who 184 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: has his own agenda, like writing a book. I'll let 185 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: you know what he decides as soon as possible. Until then, 186 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: take care, peace, be a good human, Be cool as always. Scott, 187 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: October three, dear lyle Guido passes on the Dateline NBC project. 188 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: He has so many irons in the fire it's mind boggling. 189 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: He is being investigated for murder in Alaska and elsewhere. 190 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: He says the FEDS want him to be low profile 191 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: and quiet about the bombing of Hail Boggs's plane in 192 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: exchange for letting him serve his time in another state 193 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: where the Arian Brotherhood doesn't want to kill him. Lyle, 194 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: the guy is involved up to his ass in crime, 195 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: but he also bullshits too. He says the FEDS want 196 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: to keep the Hoover connection quiet. Personally, I think he's 197 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: making deals with them on more stuff than just the 198 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: Bog's situation. He is fifty four, in bad health and 199 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: looking for a safe place to serve his time. He 200 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: has a hundred and sixteen years to serve right now, 201 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: so no big scoop here. I believe the Box situation 202 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: can't be kept quiet. Have your friend from Dateline NBC 203 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: called the U S attorney in Tucson and confront him 204 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: on the plane bombing. Who knows it might work. I'll 205 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: go now, take care, be a good human, Scott. Maybe 206 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: your friend can break the story. Guido's real name is 207 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: Jerome Max Paisley. October Dear Lyle, how goes the war? 208 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Hope You're winning? Guido is pressing me about when someone 209 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: from NBC will contact him or his investigator. He is 210 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: one of those immediate gratification kind of people. He's collecting 211 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: newspaper articles from here in Alaska to show the producer. 212 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: He's biting at the bit to tell his story, and 213 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: even his lawyer and investigator are behind him. He's hoping 214 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: if he goes national it will help him out of 215 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: this state's prison system, where his life is worth about 216 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: two cents. He already has a hundred and sixteen years 217 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: to do and the state is trying to give him 218 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: another twenty five to life. He's fifty four, so he's 219 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: never getting out. It's a matter of where he does 220 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: the time. I'll keep this brief. I've been writing you 221 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: a lot lately. Right if you get the chance, take 222 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: care peace. I get sentenced November. My lawyer is cautiously optimistic. 223 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm scared to hope, so I'm looking for the worst. 224 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: Be a good human later, Scott October, Dear Lyle, it's 225 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: good to hear from you. Guido is no longer my neighbor. 226 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: Damn it. They moved him to the pod next door. Nevertheless, 227 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: I can still get the facts to him. Your friend 228 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: at Dateline acts like a bomb would be right in 229 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: front of his face. The balls in Guido's court now, 230 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. Guido showed me news clippings 231 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: of some of his exploits, so he's not just telling 232 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: jail house stories. He's for real. We'll see if this 233 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: pans out or not. I turned forty four on Saturday 234 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: and feel damn lucky. My heart feels twenty one, but 235 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: my body cracks, pops and creeks every time I move. 236 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: I've given up on pop music. I only listened to 237 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: the oldiest station now, much like Al Bundy. Well, that 238 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: covers my end. I'll keep you posted on Guido. I 239 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: don't think he's lying. Take care, peace, be a good 240 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: human Zen is my motto now as always. Scott, October 241 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: thirty one, dear lyle, Happy Halloween. I heard from Guido today, 242 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: so I thought i'd update you. His investigator, Bob Annenberg, 243 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: is in touch with Chris. Chris asked for more info 244 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: and Guido complied. It occurred to me that Chris depends 245 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: on Nexus too much. If it was already news old news, 246 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be new news, duh. Guido wouldn't have a 247 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: story if it was common knowledge. This has been a 248 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: secret for a long time. Guido is now using it 249 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: to get out of the Arizona prison system. After all, 250 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: he is snitching on other people. We'll see where it goes. 251 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: I'll keep you posted. My aggravation slash mitigation hearing begins 252 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: next Monday. That's where the prosecutor presents to the judge 253 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: reasons why I should be killed, and my side presents 254 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: reasons why I shouldn't. My family is going to be 255 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: here from the fourth through the eight and I'm really 256 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: excited about seeing them. My sister has a sixteen week 257 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: old newborn I'll get to see. I'm a sucker for babies. 258 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: I'll keep you posted on Guido and my legal woes. 259 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: I already know my November sentencing day is going to 260 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: be postponed. Man, living with this type of uncertainty is 261 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: killing me. Literally, Take care, peace, Be a good human 262 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: as always, Scott, and that's it. I don't have any 263 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: more letters. Neither does Lyle Jackson, the journalist who confirmed 264 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: to me that he did correspond with Day for about 265 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: a year. After that, he said he stopped. The letters 266 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: got too creepy and manipulative. He tossed them in the trash. 267 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: Jackson said he has no memory of discussing the bombing 268 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: allegations with Day. Day died in two thousand and six. Okay, 269 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: so a ton to digest here first and foremost, via 270 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: William Scott Day, a serial killer, we now have the 271 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: third known recorded account of Paisley's bombing claim. The other 272 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: two are the transcript of the jail house interview Paisley 273 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: did with investigators in November and the report prepared by 274 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: private investigator Robert Annenberg in August. All three accounts share similarities, 275 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: but there are also major discrepancies between what Paisley told 276 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: investigators and what he told Day, a fellow prisoner. In 277 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: every account, Paisley said that he transported a suitcase to 278 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: Alaska and that the missing congressman's plane was bombed. He 279 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: also repeatedly cited the large life insurance payout Peggy Beggett's 280 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: received after Nick Beggett disappeared. But like I said, there 281 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: are major discrepancies. First, it's important to state the obvious. 282 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: Two accounts were recorded by professional investigators. The third was 283 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: recorded by a fellow prisoner, William Scott Day, who spoke 284 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: to Paisley through an air vent. While Day's letters contain 285 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: details he couldn't possibly have known without speaking to Paisley. 286 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: They also contain minor errors that seemed to be his fault, 287 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: not Paisley's. For example, Dave repeatedly refers to Nick Beggett 288 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: as quote a state congressman. Obviously Beggatte was a US congressman. 289 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: My best guess is that Paisley used the phrase Alaska 290 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: congressman and Dave misinterpreted it. Now that said, onto the discrepancies, 291 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: we have A the suitcase. B Paisley's role see Peggy 292 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: Beggatt's role and d which mob boss was behind the 293 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: bombing A the suitcase. In the first two accounts, Paisley 294 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: claimed that he did not know what was in the 295 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: suitcase he transported to Anchorage in nineteen seventy two until later. 296 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: In the third account, he obviously knew early on that 297 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: it contained explosives. B. Paisley's role. In the first two accounts, 298 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: Paisley said that all he did was fly the suitcase 299 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: to Anchorage. In the third account, he stated that he 300 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: helped piece together a bomb and that he and Danny 301 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: z Ivanitch put it on the congressman's plane See Peggy 302 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: Beggatt's role. In the first two accounts, Paisley said Peggy 303 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: visited Tucson around August nineteen seventy two and knew about 304 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: the plot. In the third, he said she had no 305 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: knowledge of the plot and d which mob boss was 306 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: behind the bombing. In the first two accounts, Paisley implicated 307 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Joe Bonano. In the third, he said Pete Lacavoli ordered 308 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: the hit. So why the discrepancies? Which version is true? 309 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: Or again, is the entire story falls? Was everything? Paisley said, 310 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: a lie. My best guess is that the truth lies 311 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle, but that the third account, the 312 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: unfiltered account shared with a fellow prisoner, not law enforcement, 313 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: is closer to the truth. In the third account, Paisley 314 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: knew the suitcase contained explosives. That makes more sense to 315 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: me than his previous oh shucks, guys, I didn't know 316 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: what was in it statements and notice. In the third account, 317 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: Paisley was very specific, more nuanced, and saying he transported 318 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: the making of a bomb to Alaska, not already to 319 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: go bomb. That makes more sense to me. In the 320 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: third account, William Scott Day wrote that Paisley and Danny 321 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: Zivinich put the bomb together and quote placed aboard the plane. 322 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: Hail Boggs was in Paisley helping to finalize the bomb. 323 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: I can see Paisley helping to put it on the 324 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: missing plane. No, to my knowledge, he was in Arizona, 325 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: not Alaska when the plane disappeared. My best guess is 326 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: that Day misheard part of what Paisley said, but it's 327 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: just as likely that Day heard Paisley correctly and Paisley lied. 328 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: Most importantly, in the third account, Paisley claimed that mob 329 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: boss Pete Lacavoli senor not Joe Bonano, ordered the hit. 330 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: That lines up with what I speculated in episode eleven 331 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: tail end, And let me be clear, we finalized the 332 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: script for episode eleven, which was supposed to be our 333 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: last episode, before we got copies of the third account 334 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: Day's letters. In episode eleven, I cited several pieces of 335 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: information to support my speculation that Paisley subbed in Joe 336 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: Bonano for Pete laka Oli. In the first two accounts, 337 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: one all of the mob connected men in the Peggy 338 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: Paisley wedding photos the red Dot photos were primarily tied 339 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: to the lick of OLiS, not the bananas, and Paisley 340 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: and Peggy honeymoons in Mexico with two of Pete look 341 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: of Oli seniors kids, Pete Jr. And Cathy. Two. The 342 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: Conti KI, where Paisley claimed Peggy met with mob boss 343 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: Joe Bonano, was actually owned in part at least by 344 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: the lick of OLiS, not the Bananas. And three at 345 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: least one FBI informant witnessed Paisley with Pete lick of 346 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: Oli Sr. Only twenty seven days before the congressman disappeared, 347 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: around the same time Paisley said he flew the suitcase 348 00:21:37,680 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: to Anchorage. Now there's one final discrepancy to examine, and 349 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: that's Peggy Beggett's alleged role in the plot. In this case, 350 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: I tend to believe the first two accounts, and I 351 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: know that seems extremely unfair. But here's why. Something in 352 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: the third account Day's letters strikes me as odd. Here 353 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: two quotes. Quote Guido is tight lipped when it comes 354 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: to his marriage or the motive for killing the state 355 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: congressman end quote, and quote I asked how he met her, 356 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: and he refuses to say end quote. The official story 357 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: is that Paisley and Peggy met at the holiday in 358 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: an Anchorage in late nineteen If true, Why wouldn't Paisley 359 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: just tell that today? Why would he refuse to say 360 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: how he met Peggy? Why would he be quote tight 361 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: lipped about their marriage because usually there's nothing to hide 362 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: about meeting someone at a holiday inn, and he was 363 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: spilling all the other details. On the other hand, if 364 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: Paisley made up the entire thing, well still, why would 365 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: he refuse to say how he met Peggy? If everything 366 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: was a lie? If he wanted to tell Day the 367 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: most colorful story flip it around, wouldn't he just tell 368 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: Day what he told investigators that Peggy met with a 369 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 1: mob boss at the Contiki. I think Paisley regretted dragging 370 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: Peggy into the story at all, because after the first 371 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: two accounts, he never again claimed that she had any 372 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: role in the alleged bomb plot. It is possible that 373 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: Peggy had no knowledge of or incomplete knowledge of the 374 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: alleged plot. It is possible she was manipulated and used. 375 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. Next, I need to address Paisley's allegations 376 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: about j Edgar Hoover. Paisley told Day that Hoover wanted 377 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: hail Bog's dead, but Hoover died in May nineteen seventy two, 378 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: five months before Boggs disappeared, something even William Scott Day 379 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: noted in his letters to me and John Seagan Dollar 380 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: this part sounds off. What makes sense to me is 381 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: that Paisley was entirely sure why the congressman's plane was bombed. 382 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: If his story is true, either version of it. His 383 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: role was at the least to transport a suitcase to 384 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: anchorage and at the most to help build a bomb. 385 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: But I doubt mob leaders would have looped him in 386 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: on their inner thinking their exact motives. Paisley wasn't omnipotent 387 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: if the story is true, It's not like he would 388 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: know every single detail. He wasn't the mastermind. He didn't 389 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: claim to be the mastermind. But obviously if he transported 390 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: a suitcase to anchorage, if he knew the missing plane 391 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: was bombed, of course he would have wondered why, which 392 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: could explain the Hoover angle speculation. Or again, maybe it's 393 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: all bs. Despite flaws, I still think the third account 394 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: via William Scott Day is closer to the truth than 395 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: the first two accounts. And doesn't that make sense to you? 396 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Tube This was Jerry Paisley speaking with a fellow prisoner 397 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: through an air vent, not to investigators with a tape 398 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: recorder rolling. We don't even know whether or not Paisley 399 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: was aware that Day wrote everything down. Now that said, 400 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: the fact that there are discrepancies between the three accounts 401 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: that can't be explained away as transcription errors immediately and 402 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: understandably calls into question Paisley's integrity. But no surprise here. 403 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: It's not shocking at all to learn that Paisley was 404 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: a liar. The question, obviously, is how much of what 405 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: Paisley said in this particular case is true, how much 406 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: is false? Is it all false? Is it all true 407 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: or at least one version of it? Does the answer 408 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: lie somewhere in the middle. Something else we get from 409 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: the third account a reason why, whether or not he 410 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: told the truth, Paisley spoke at all, a motive. Day 411 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: wrote that Paisley wanted to transfer to a federal prison, 412 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: that he wanted to get out of the Arizona prison system, 413 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: but that never happened. Paisley remained incarcerated in Arizona until 414 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: he died in Nevertheless, we have, for the first time 415 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: a reason why Paisley either snitched or told a fairy tale. Finally, 416 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: we know Paisley spoke with three Arizona and Alaska investigators 417 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: plus one journalist. But did Paisley speak directly with the FBI. 418 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: Did the FBI interview Paisley? The answer here is still unclear. 419 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: Tom Davis, the Arizona investigator who knew Paisley for decades, 420 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: observed his wedding to Peggy Baggage and helped interview him 421 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: in is certain Paisley did speak with the FBI, and 422 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: Paisley himself said he was speaking with quote, the Feds. 423 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: But in the FBI documents I obtained, there's no proof 424 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: that the bureau interviewed Paisley directly. That said, the FBI 425 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: also excluded copies of William Scott Day's letters, which I 426 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: only obtained thanks to a diligent archivists. If the FBI 427 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: did interview Paisley, then the bureau has yet another account 428 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: of the alleged assassination, a fourth account. Now, obviously I 429 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: don't have the power to compel the FBI to reveal anything, 430 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: but Congress does. So if you're a lawmaker, or you 431 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: work on Capitol Hill or in national media, do something. 432 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: If you work in Alaska media and a shout out 433 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: again to the Anchorage Daily News, which still hasn't reported 434 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: this story. Do something. If you want us to search 435 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: port edges again with better equipment, do something. We need 436 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: your help this week. 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That's tips 447 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: t I P S at I heeart media dot com. 448 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: An important note, none of the people Jerry Paisley claimed 449 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: took part in or had knowledge of the alleged bombing, 450 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: Joe Binano, Pete Lakavoli, Joey A. Tarola, Danny Zivanich, Geene Fowler, 451 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: Larry Fowler, or Peggy Baggage were ever charged with or 452 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: convicted of any crimes tied to any of Paisley's allegations. 453 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: Peggy Baggat and Danny Zavinich declined multiple requests for an 454 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: on the record interview. Gene Fowler was unavailable for an interview. 455 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Joe Binano, Pete Lakavoli, Joe Iya Tarrola, and Larry Fowler 456 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: are dead. Finally, I want to clarify something about which 457 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: there has been a good deal of confusion. In one 458 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: of our bonus episodes, The Last Ham, I interviewed Joe Tatum, 459 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: the only person alive who heard the mysterious radio transmission 460 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: the day the Congressman disappeared, the transmission in which a 461 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: man claimed to be the missing planes pilot. Twice during 462 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: the course of this show, I stated that the Air 463 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: Force believed the transmission to be a hoax. But still 464 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: we've heard from a flood of people who want to 465 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: know what I think. To be clear, I agree with 466 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: the Air Force. I think the transmission was a hoax. 467 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: Like the Air Force, I do believe that the HAM 468 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: operators heard a transmission, but the transmission itself was likely fake. 469 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: Ben Bowen is our executive producer. Paul Decan is our 470 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: supervising producer. Chris Brown is our assistant producer. Seth Nicholas 471 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: Johnson is our producer. Sam T. Garden is our research assistant, 472 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: and I'm your host and executive producer, John Wallzac. 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