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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and all come with stuff.

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Speaker 1: I never told you a protection of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And today listen.

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Speaker 1: I have just come back from Disney World and Universal

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Speaker 1: and I am recovering. I have to go on a

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Speaker 1: surprise work trip next week, and this has been.

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Speaker 2: On my mind for a while.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of things going on, but

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Speaker 1: I have been wanting to talk about this. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about kind of the vitriol against

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Speaker 1: single women, childless women who go to Disney World.

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Speaker 2: It is a bit dated.

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Speaker 1: I think this conversation is ongoing, but this particular post

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Speaker 1: is a bit dated.

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Speaker 2: But I bet a lot of you.

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Speaker 1: Will remember it also with this, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about this little at the end. But you know, every

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Speaker 1: time we have a conversation like this, it's always worth

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Speaker 1: acknowledging people who want to have kids and can't have

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Speaker 1: kids for whatever reason. It's also worth acknowledging that Disney

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Speaker 1: World is expensive. It is extremely expensive. And we calculated

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Speaker 1: how many rides you would ride without a fast pass.

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Speaker 1: It was like four or five. Oh no, And it's

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Speaker 1: for the price of admission. That that's bonkers. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's totally accurate, but that's what we calculated

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Speaker 1: on this particular trip, so to put that out there

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Speaker 1: also a content warning for language which will be believed,

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Speaker 1: but it's pretty offensive. So just a note. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: Samantha and I, You and I have talked about this previously,

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Speaker 1: kind of just how angry people get about people enjoying themselves,

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Speaker 1: especially if they're childless people at places like this, And

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, there was a post on

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Speaker 1: Facebook that went viral that kind of really spoke to

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Speaker 1: this vitriol, and I'm going to read it.

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Speaker 2: So here we go.

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Speaker 1: It pisses me off to no end when I see

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Speaker 1: childless couples without children at Disney World.

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Speaker 2: Also, a lot of this is an all cast. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, Disney World is a family amusement park, three exclamation points.

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Speaker 1: Yet these immature millennials throw away their money on useless crap.

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Speaker 1: They have no idea the joy and happiness it is

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Speaker 1: to mothers who buy their babies cheats and toys. Some

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Speaker 1: and some very slutty shorts was buying on Mickey Pretzel

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Speaker 1: and Aiden my son wanted one, but the line was

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Speaker 1: very long, so I said later and it broke his

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Speaker 1: take that pretzel from that tramp, like thanks, she made

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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, because I'm like, you know, this is this

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Speaker 3: might be too strong, but let's just be honest, like

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Speaker 3: saying that it's her fault that you said no is

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Speaker 3: an odd reaction, not that it was the last pretzel,

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Speaker 3: which still wouldn't give you any right, right, but that

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Speaker 3: you just didn't want to stand in line, right.

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Speaker 1: And here we've talked about this before. I have kind

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Speaker 1: callously count how many arguments I hear in Disney Magic

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Speaker 2: That's where most of them happen.

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Speaker 1: But we have talked about before about the pressure that's

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Speaker 2: As I said, it is so.

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Speaker 1: Expensive, and I feel like that becomes a pressure where

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Speaker 2: Which kids are kids?

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Speaker 1: And maybe are tired of the heat, or don't want

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Speaker 2: Everybody like, that's just what it is.

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Speaker 1: And this year when I went, the number one argument

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Speaker 1: that's not the best way to have a good time.

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Speaker 3: We never got souvenirs. I think we ended up sharing

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Speaker 1: Me, honestly, because I've told this story before. I asked

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Speaker 1: We're only coming this one time, maybe, But we were

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Speaker 2: Rides and we can eat the food and you know,

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Speaker 1: Then when I read this comment, which I do remember

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Speaker 3: And there's so much like sexist commentary here on top

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Speaker 3: Like we might have been like, oh, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: Like every other corner. I don't know what is happening

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Speaker 3: Also, I have friends who went all of their childhood

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Speaker 1: do it per person, so you know, I'm with friends

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Speaker 1: who I have someone Marissa, thank you who helped me out.

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Speaker 1: But I can't imagine, like you you'd have to a

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Speaker 1: Like because we were all adults, like we all chipped in.

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Speaker 1: Being there, right, and definitely make it like a very

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you had a fun time any and

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I had a real I had a blast,

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