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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, Need a soft repeat? Damn straight.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan hansis coming to you from City

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Speaker 1: Field with Heroes in Bunkers, Mark Sessler, Chris Wesling, Greg Roseal.

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Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hey da? What would a soft

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Speaker 1: reboot me? Marxist? Um? Well, I mean personally, it would

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Speaker 1: be I got cleaning up my act from an esthetic perspective,

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Speaker 1: buying some new clothes. I've been wearing the same shirt,

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Speaker 1: you know, same two or three shirts every day on repeat,

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Speaker 1: often not putting them into the wash, just kind of

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Speaker 1: cleaning up some personal habits for me. M. I think

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Speaker 1: it could be like you bring the show back next week,

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Speaker 1: except um, it's hosted by like M j Acosta, A D. D.

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Speaker 1: Colleen and Lindsay Rhodes. That's a soft you back. That's

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Speaker 1: that's pretty hard reboot. Okay. I guess they didn't understand

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Speaker 1: um could happen. They hold the intellectual property of the program.

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Speaker 1: They can do with it as they please, so would

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Speaker 1: never never get two comfortable as what I would say.

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Speaker 1: You know, but as things stand right now seem okay,

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Speaker 1: we seem to be delivering on what what they need

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll continue to do that and stay employed

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Speaker 1: during this really unpredictable time and human history. But you

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Speaker 1: never know. There was a TV show called Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL and then they just one day, they think they

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Speaker 1: changed the name, they changed the vibe, they changed the host,

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Speaker 1: but it was sort of the still the same show,

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Speaker 1: and uh, now here we are, like five years later,

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Speaker 1: we're back. Is Gregg has planted a very probably um

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Speaker 1: If anyone is listening to this, a person in power

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Speaker 1: a very appealing UM scenario and idea into their head,

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Speaker 1: sweep these four guys out and you know, replace them

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Speaker 1: with more marketable individuals with a great thing in life

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Speaker 1: is we do have some control over our destinies. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins didn't want anything to do with Ryan Tannehill

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Speaker 1: the Titans. I used to think that I had control

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Speaker 1: married and then had kids. Now I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I have control of it anymore. But you handed it away.

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Speaker 1: I think about sometimes you gave it away, you had it,

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Speaker 1: you gave it away. You have a modicum Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I feel like the control is a mirage.

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Speaker 1: You just gotta give give give up the control over

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Speaker 1: to the world. Let it, let it do what it

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Speaker 1: will with you. Give it to God, is what Greg's saying.

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Speaker 1: Ademic is gonna come. You don't have control over. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: You're only gonna have so much control, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, we have control of what we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: on today's show, and that is something to be happy about.

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Speaker 1: And the Arizona Cardinals will be a topic because we

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Speaker 1: spun the wheel and it landed on the football club

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Speaker 1: at a Glendale. So we're gonna have the great Darren

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Speaker 1: Urban on. He's been a long time beat reporter for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and we're going to discuss everything around that

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Speaker 1: team as it enters the season at a time of

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Speaker 1: optimism for the Cardinals and their fan base. But before that,

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Speaker 1: Peterson caught the ball, which is rare because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: camp Chancellor. By the way, him like a little winter

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Speaker 1: snow on a sunlit move with TV that you think, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I remember like it was yesterday, Ron Wolfley, the longtime

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Speaker 1: All right, More Cardinals stop coming up in a bit,

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Speaker 1: but let's start with the news. Yes, the uh Rooney

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Speaker 1: The the rule about the assistance can't be blocked for

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Speaker 1: Payton's wishes were to unleash Tastom Hill without anyone seen

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Speaker 1: Glazer mailbag or whatever it was whatever, Mark, But between

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Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback in the future. Nick Underhill, Saints beat

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Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl, and they got the offense

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Speaker 1: to do it, but they need either Alvin Smith or

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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory who's still suspended, to show up and make

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Speaker 1: an impact, which is counting, which is a little risky

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Speaker 1: to count on that, but they just don't have many

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Speaker 1: other options as as a pass rusher because this funny

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Speaker 1: anual thing for the Cowboys, they're always counting on a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher to not be suspended. Soft and Randy Gregory.

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Speaker 1: But Mike McCarthy, you know, maybe during his year in

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Speaker 1: the Wilderness said he formed a very strong relationship with

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Speaker 1: with Alden Smith. So it's there's some buy in there

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Speaker 1: with that player, which um, I think is equally risky.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't think of anyone more risky outside

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Speaker 1: of maybe Josh Gordon, Patrick Chung has signed a to

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Speaker 1: your extension with the Patriots. These three million signing bonus

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Speaker 1: is part of the deal. The Pats gain close to

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Speaker 1: a million in cap space. But that's just Greg attempting

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Speaker 1: to bury the lead of something that he thought he

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Speaker 1: got away with it because we forgot to do it

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Speaker 1: on Monday. But the real transaction to talk about is

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Speaker 1: right here and now. Another checking on Gina. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love talking Gino. I don't like this warmed over bit.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's like we we had that.

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Speaker 1: He's always made Greg uncomfortable because he thinks it's a

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Speaker 1: personal shot at him, But it's a way to get

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Speaker 1: your favorite player in the podcast on a semi regular basis.

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Speaker 1: It's not I don't think it's a shot at me.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a shot at at Gino. Plus it's

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Speaker 1: it's succeeding one of my favorite segments of all time.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like a sequel that can't live up

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Speaker 1: to um what was the other one called? Now getting it? Um?

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Speaker 1: Who was our guy? Who was our guy? Mobile? I'm

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Speaker 1: dying here catch it up with Maury Spooring. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: know what, Gino Smith's the winner. We already talked. We

461
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Speaker 1: talked about it on the show. When you want you

462
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Speaker 1: want a winner, you bring Gina Smith back. Rex Ryan

463
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Speaker 1: out here talked about it that way, Rex Ryan talking

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Speaker 1: about Gino Smith. Do you know Smith's entering his eight

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Speaker 1: eight seasons. That's as long as Rex Ryan lasted as

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Speaker 1: a head coach. So one more year here and Gino

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Speaker 1: can outlast is Armasis. You cannot whitewash the fact that

468
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Speaker 1: Gino Smith ran down the sideline and rooted against his

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Speaker 1: own starting quarterback when he was on the same team.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was a young man. That was a

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Speaker 1: long time ago. In a face in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: By minutes after right, we discussed Ryan Fitzpatrick and and

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Speaker 1: what an asked that he is. You're pumping up a

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Speaker 1: guy scampering down the sideline, anti owned team. Okay, Hey, clearly,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson likes him and Pete Carroll like him. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're spigning him because of Rice. Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: likes him. He called the great tails heads or tails

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Speaker 1: last year. I don't know if you remember that short

479
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Speaker 1: list of bullet points, short list of quarterbacks that have

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Speaker 1: made a division around in each the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes Smith spoiler leading the Texans to the playoffs. Rights, Oh,

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Speaker 1: the irony of Brian Fitzpatrick being the man that replaced

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith after Gino opted not to pay a teammate

484
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Speaker 1: three dollars for a plane ticket and blew off some

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Speaker 1: type of speech with children. This is the guy that

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Speaker 1: you support. Well, I'm sure none of us have matured

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Speaker 1: since we were twenty four years old. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure no one can develop as a human. He's just

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Speaker 1: stuck in ember back in argue, I've not, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know where you're coming from with that argument. Alright,

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Speaker 1: good sake, And that was another edition of checking. That's

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. Alright, boys, let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: We spun the wheel. It landed on the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: So the first team and our team by team, look

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Speaker 1: at the National Football League. Our league is the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Here's some a little setup for the Cardinals. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: This is the five ten and one Arizona Cardinals of

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen that was fourth place in the NFC West Division,

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Speaker 1: coached by Cliff Kingsbury in his second year, they were

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Speaker 1: sixteenth in the league in points for a two and

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Speaker 1: a half points a game twenty two point six to

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Speaker 1: be exact. UH, they were twenty thirty two and points against.

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Speaker 1: And they are a team that UH has been to

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Speaker 1: one Super Bowl in their history, a narrow lost the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers in the two thousand eight season. And I

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Speaker 1: want to get into it right there with the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and give the leadership a lot of credit, boys,

508
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Speaker 1: because the move to punt on Josh Rosen and draft

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray with the number one overall pick that took

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Speaker 1: a lot of guts. It also took It was a

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Speaker 1: huge whiff. And Josh Rosen, who knows anymore? Like Rosen

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Speaker 1: is just languishing in Miami like fift on the depth

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Speaker 1: chart at this point. I don't even know what's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen with his career, But that decision, that's singular decision

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Speaker 1: to say, we're not sure we got this right with Rosen,

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Speaker 1: and we love Kyler Murray so much. The fact that

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Speaker 1: we have the number one overall pick, we need to

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Speaker 1: relaunch this whole thing, and we're gonna do it with

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Speaker 1: Murray and Cliff Kingsbury, this coach that had up and

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Speaker 1: down success in college. But as a bright young mind,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of hitch our wagons to this coach

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Speaker 1: and this quarterback. As we look ahead now to twenty

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Speaker 1: after twenty nineteen and the rookie seasons for both those guys,

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Speaker 1: it just feels like they made the absolute right decision

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Speaker 1: and the organization is so much better off for it.

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Speaker 1: Even if it was, let's face it, embarrassing the way

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Speaker 1: it played out initially, it was the right decision and

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't be embarrassed. Like more teams need to own

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Speaker 1: up to their mistakes sooner, Steve kay might work an

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Speaker 1: extra seven years in the NFL because if they remind

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Speaker 1: me so much though the Browns last year, not not

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Speaker 1: the total hype of the team and how deep they are,

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Speaker 1: but just Baker and Kyler, because Kyler is that hope.

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Speaker 1: I know when you did your pain rankings, the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: got ding because they haven't been in a consistent place

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Speaker 1: for one long But if there is some mythical Cardinals

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Speaker 1: fan who's been a fan this whole time, going back

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Speaker 1: fifty six years, they're they're they're they're the worst. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they're they have the most pain or not,

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Speaker 1: but they're the worst NFL. They've been the worst in

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Speaker 1: terms of results NFL organization that there's ever been. I'd

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Speaker 1: say one very hopeful note going forward is that that

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Speaker 1: switched to Tailer Murray and Steve Kin being willing to say,

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Speaker 1: all right, whether we got Rosen right or not, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna work with what Cliff Kingsbury wants. The teams where

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Speaker 1: the GM and the coach are not listening to each other,

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Speaker 1: and you could have had a power a classic NFL

548
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Speaker 1: power struggle that would have held the team back for years.

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Speaker 1: Didn't happen, and so Kin lives on, and it shows

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Speaker 1: the Cliff Kingsbury as a voice and a lot of power.

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Speaker 1: It's also shows how quickly you can reverse your fortunes

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And you can fall from great heights

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Speaker 1: so quickly, but you can also rebuild in a year.

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Speaker 1: You are not damned to be in the cellar forever,

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Speaker 1: unless you're the Browns or the Lions. Alright, sorry, just

556
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Speaker 1: remember the Ohio. They fit in the basement pretty well. Alright,

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Speaker 1: let's stay let's stay on topic, boys, and now we've

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Speaker 1: set the table let's bring in a guest, all right,

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Speaker 1: Like we said for this segment, we're gonna bring in

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Speaker 1: somebody from the outside, somebody that gets it, someone who's

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Speaker 1: in it. And Darren Urban of the Cardinals website is

562
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: as plugged in as anyone. This is his twenty first

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Speaker 1: season covering the ProTeam in Arizona. So now we welcome

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Speaker 1: him to the Around the NFL podcast. What's up there?

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Speaker 1: And welcome to the show. How are you guys doing

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Speaker 1: We're doing well, We're doing well. What's what's life like

567
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Speaker 1: on the Arizona Cardinals beat? You know, how how competitive

568
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Speaker 1: is it? Uh? Do you love doing it? To give us?

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Speaker 1: Give us like your feelings on working this beat better

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Speaker 1: after twenty one years, It's gonna say, um No, it's

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Speaker 1: always been something I've very much enjoyed. I've been lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to kind of work a couple of different sides

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Speaker 1: of it. Clearly, i was in a newspaper for a

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Speaker 1: number of years, the East Valley Tribune before coming over

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Speaker 1: to the team website, and I've been fortunate enough where

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Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways. You know, obviously

577
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Speaker 1: working for a team is different than working for a newspaper.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like, Uh, they've really given me a

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Speaker 1: lot of freedom to do a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: that I would have done anyways. And uh, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that I work alongside in the league

582
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Speaker 1: that worked for other teams that kind of like Razor

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Speaker 1: eyebrows sometimes with some of the stuff I'm able to write,

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Speaker 1: which quite frankly makes me happy because I feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing a pretty decent job here, so

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously I love it. I've been here, you know,

587
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Speaker 1: doing this, covering this team for twenty one years, and

588
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't plan on changing anytime soon, Darren. When I

589
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Speaker 1: look at the Cardinals this offseason, great offseason so far.

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Speaker 1: The question that is foremost in my mind is when

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Speaker 1: they say that, I say Simmons is primarily going to

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Speaker 1: be a linebacker. They paid Jordan's Hicks a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: I think you reported that Devandre Campbell was the number

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Speaker 1: one target in free agency this year, um and then

595
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Speaker 1: advanced Joseph's background. We've sort of lost some confidence in

596
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Speaker 1: the last few years about what he can do for

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Speaker 1: a defense. I know he made his name as a

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Speaker 1: defensive backs coach with the Bengals. Why should we be

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Speaker 1: confident or is there anything you here behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: or see from Vance Joseph that makes you confident that

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have a great plan for Isaiah Simmons that

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Speaker 1: makes sense for everyone. Well, I mean, I I start

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Speaker 1: with the idea, guys that you know, you don't draft

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Speaker 1: a guy like Isaiah Simmons unless you've had many, many,

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Speaker 1: many conversations beforehand of if this guy is on the board,

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Speaker 1: what are we gonna do with him and how are

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Speaker 1: we best going to deploy him so that he's going

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Speaker 1: to be the kind of player, uh that everybody expects

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Speaker 1: him to be so um in that regard, I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to have a good plan in place. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt, just like most of these rookies that

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Speaker 1: he's not going to get a chance to be on

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Speaker 1: the field for a while, uh and be within the

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Speaker 1: defense in a practice setting, you know, until training camp. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that I think some of the

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Speaker 1: things that Vance Joseph went through last year with what

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Speaker 1: didn't work with this defense, I don't think that was

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Speaker 1: all on him. I think there was personnel that desperately

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Speaker 1: needed to be changed up and overhauled. Their injuries, uh,

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Speaker 1: that they dealt with. And I know that sounds a

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Speaker 1: little bit like excuse making, but I was making this

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Speaker 1: point on our own podcast this week. You know, when

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Speaker 1: you people want to talk about where this defense is

624
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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson talking about how this is great team that

625
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Speaker 1: he's on and everything. If we would have talked about

626
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: the defense the Cardinals would have had on May one

627
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Speaker 1: last year, that defense didn't exist by the time we

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Speaker 1: got to September one. I mean, Patrick Peterson had gotten suspended,

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Speaker 1: Robert Alford got hurt, they had a couple of defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman h have issues and get cut. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: looked dramatically different by the time they got on the field.

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Speaker 1: I think right now with what Vance Joseph has to

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Speaker 1: work with, I like what it looks like and I

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Speaker 1: think that would help him get Isaiah Simmons into the

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00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: right places. Now what it looks like when they actually

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Speaker 1: start playing games, that could be a whole different ball game.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. The trade is obviously the big story, the

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Speaker 1: huge story leading into um the offseason. Kicking off the

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Speaker 1: offseason for the Cardinals, was this something that was in

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Speaker 1: the offing as some of that was close to the

641
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: team that this that the Cardinals were going to be

642
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: aggressive looking for a number one guy for Kyler Murray.

643
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Speaker 1: And was Hopkins a name that you had heard out there?

644
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Speaker 1: And how surprising was it when it all went down.

645
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, the Hopkins part of it, I was stunned.

646
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: On I had heard some rumblings that they were going

647
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: to be able to deal David Johnson, which was a

648
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: little surprising to me given his contract situation, UM and

649
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: then there wasn't a lot of specifics, but I so

650
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Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised they were able to find a trade

651
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: partner for David Johnson because I had heard that possibility.

652
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Speaker 1: But in terms of getting DeAndre Hopkins, I mean I

653
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: was completely on that thought process that they might spend

654
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: the number eight pick on a number and receiver um

655
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: to to go with fits to go with Christian Kirk.

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00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: I know. The day that the Hopkins trade dropped, I

657
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: mean I was, I was as surprised as most everybody. Um,

658
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: I didn't think the Texans would want to deal him.

659
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: I know, it's since then even DeAndre has talked about that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He had heard that they had been trying to deal

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00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: him for about a year, which I still don't understand.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's another team. I'll let Texans dot Com

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Speaker 1: worry about that. I mean, I just I feel like

664
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Speaker 1: that did kind of come out of left field, and

665
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: for them to land a number one receiver that way

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00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: and in the process moving David Johnson's deal, I mean,

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00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: I think that's set up this entire offseason in a

668
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: good way for the Cardinals because then that opened up

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Speaker 1: what they could do in the draft. It gave him

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00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: a little more flexibility and free agency. I just it

671
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: just changed the whole ballgame. Darren we Uh, you know,

672
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: we got one season's worth of Cliff Kingsbury, and I

673
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: feel like the biggest story attached to him was his

674
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: high octane living scenario during the draft. Um that turned

675
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: some heads. But when you look at this coach and

676
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: I I look at their schedule last year and they

677
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Speaker 1: If I looked at one area they could improve, it

678
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Speaker 1: might have been maybe the two minute offense. They lost

679
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: a series of games very close. At the end, they

680
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: lost to the Ravens and Steelers three to seventeen. Uh,

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00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: that's one area you could point to with Kling's Cliff

682
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: with Cliff where maybe there's a girl a little bit

683
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: of a curve there. What when you look at him?

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Speaker 1: What's what does he bring to the Cardinals that's special

685
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: that maybe your average fan wouldn't know about him. One

686
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Speaker 1: of the things I love about Cliff Kingsbury which I

687
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily expecting, you know, when I when he first

688
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: got hired, I did, you know, the natural big story

689
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Speaker 1: about who is Cliff Kingsbury and everything. Talking to a

690
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: lot of people, and and they said a lot of

691
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: the things that that I saw close, which was his

692
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: his ego isn't what you would think it might be

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Speaker 1: given some people seeing his persona. And I think that

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00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: played out on the field. I mean, this was a

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00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: team that went into training camp and the regular season thinking, Okay,

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00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna run you know, the four wide, quick passing

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00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: all the time, all this stuff, not use a lot

698
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: of tight ends, and that just wasn't working. Um. They

699
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: made the effort to get a running back that fit

700
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: better in the offense with Kenyan Drake. Uh, he started

701
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: morphings so that he used the tight end more often. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They ran the ball a little I think a little

703
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: bit more than a lot of us expected. Um, and

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Speaker 1: I think you could see as the season went on,

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Speaker 1: that he was willing to change if that was necessary.

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Speaker 1: And I think all of us have seen uh situations

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00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: where there are coaches that don't think that way. They

708
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: all talk that way, they all say they're gonna, you know,

709
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: make their offense or make their game plan work for

710
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: their personnel, but there's so many coaches that don't actually

711
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Speaker 1: do it. I think Click Kingsbury is a guy that

712
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: is willing to swallow his ego. A lot of players

713
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: talked about when they went to him, hey what about this?

714
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: What about this? And he would not only listen to him,

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Speaker 1: but if he didn't have the answer, he would say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know. Let me look into

717
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: that and I'll get back you. And he would do that.

718
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of players appreciate that, and I

719
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: think the fact that he's willing to be that flexible,

720
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Speaker 1: I think means a lot going forward. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray's relationship, like how he gets

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Speaker 1: the best out of Kyler. I mean that basically is

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals and that's why they hired him. And I

724
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Speaker 1: guess I wonder you've seen Darren so many quarterbacks come

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Speaker 1: through Arizona when you I mean John Skelton and John

726
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Navar and you've seen some You've seen some some bad ones,

727
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: Kevin Cobb, you've seen some good ones, like hanging out

728
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Speaker 1: with the Combine Settler. Yeah, that's right. You saw what

729
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: great one in Kurt Warner. You've never seen one kind

730
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Speaker 1: of come in like this as as a number one

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Speaker 1: overall draft pick. I guess I'm curious. You're someone that's

732
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: there every single day, you're in the locker room, You're

733
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Speaker 1: you're a practice Like, how did you how do you

734
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Speaker 1: think he handled that that first year of being the guy,

735
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Speaker 1: and like, what what are the reactions of of I

736
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: guess the rest of the organization and his teammates around

737
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Speaker 1: him to how he handled You know, obviously, when Kyler

738
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: was drafted, there was so many questions about it, the

739
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Speaker 1: team spending a first round pick on a quarterback two

740
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Speaker 1: years in a in a row. Josh Rosen was there

741
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: all the way up until the traff It was a

742
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: very there was a lot of tension, quite frankly, in

743
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: the air with a lot of that stuff. And I

744
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: had some questions over Kyler Murray and I had seen

745
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: him in college, but I had the same I wondered

746
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: the same things a lot of people did, and then

747
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: once I saw him throwing, even on air in those

748
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: first few practices, I'm like, Okay, I I guess I

749
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: can see what they see. And I think as the

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00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: season went on, in a lot of ways, what Kyler

751
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: did mirrored what Cliff did in terms of a learning curve.

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00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at those first four or

753
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: five six games, Kyler Murray did things that you're like, Okay,

754
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to do that. You you

755
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: need to realize, especially after those first few games, guess what,

756
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: You're not going to get the corner on some of

757
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: these linemen you think you are because they they weigh

758
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: a hundred more pounds than you or whatever it is,

759
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: but they can still chase you down. He had to

760
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: learn some of that stuff. There were so many sacks

761
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: earlier in the year that Kyler Murray just shouldn't have

762
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: been taking because he thought he could run around forever

763
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: until he did something, and that doesn't work on this level.

764
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Speaker 1: And I think his his learning curve I think was

765
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: impressive from game one to Game sixteen, and and I

766
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: do think once I got to the end of the year.

767
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: I see a guy who can be a franchise quarterback

768
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: who could throw it from the pocket, you know, can

769
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: can use his legs. Are there things he needs to learn? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: You know. I was listening to a radio interview this

771
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: week with both Kurt Warner and Carson Palmerer talking about Kyler,

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Speaker 1: and one of the things they mentioned was the fact

773
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Speaker 1: that he still needs to take the throws that are there.

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Speaker 1: You know, once in a while, there's gonna be a

775
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: nine yard curl route that's right there early in the play.

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Speaker 1: Just take it. You don't need to make it be

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00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: bigger than it is. And I do think there are

778
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: some plays like that that he will get better at.

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Speaker 1: But like you said, Greg, I mean, I think Cliff

780
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: and Kyler that marriage is only going to get better.

781
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: And you know, Cliff not being in the office and

782
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: hanging out at home by himself, that just gives him

783
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: that much more time to sit and think about what

784
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: he wants Murray, and I do think that that have

785
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: an impact at some point. Do you say having no

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Speaker 1: kids is a sneaky advantage for Cliff Kingsberry in a

787
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: pandemic for humans in general? Right? All right, Darren Irvan

788
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: and as we know, franchises that wander through the desert

789
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: literally in Arizona looking for a quarterback, fans suffer for decades,

790
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: but so to do beat writers. So we're very happy

791
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: that Darren has young Kyler Murray to make his job

792
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Speaker 1: more exciting going forward. And thank you for joining us

793
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: today and giving us that perspective and the best of

794
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: luck and stay healthy. Mrran, happy to talk to you guys.

795
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: Thank there. There he goes Darren Urban. You could check

796
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: him out on Twitter and also the Arizona Cardinals team site.

797
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: His Twitter handle is at cards Chatter, so check that out. Uh.

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00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: We hung out at a waffle house with Ryan Linley

799
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: at the combine. I don't know why that would be

800
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Speaker 1: secret of Mark. Well, you know it was become holding

801
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: onto it like a state secret. Well, a lot of

802
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: stuff happened, I don't I think some of it should

803
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Speaker 1: be some time the morning was it? Well, it was

804
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Speaker 1: it was before and after the sun rose. Greg, that's true.

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00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: That's true. Um, alright, So great conversation there um with

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Speaker 1: Darren and that would that is kind of my big

807
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: question as we kind of spin forward here, um with

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, is is he the guy is he Is

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00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: he special enough to rise this team to the top

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Speaker 1: of the NFC West, which, as we know, is a

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00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: very competitive division. I mean, you look at where they're

812
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: at right now. They're coming off last place finish last year.

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Speaker 1: But we saw Murray get better and he even won

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Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year. UM. But the Rams are

815
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: a team in transition. The Seahawks, UM always are gonna

816
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Speaker 1: be in the mix. The Niners, of course, are coming

817
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: off a Super Bowl UM visit. So where did the

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00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals shake out in this division? And does Murray have

819
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Speaker 1: to be an m v P level guy for them

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00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: to be a major presence in You know, I saw

821
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Speaker 1: some talk about Kyler Murray as an m VP candidate

822
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: there you know, the odds are out there, and he

823
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: was like six, their seventh on the list, and I

824
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: saw some chatter like, oh that maybe of all those

825
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: that's the best value, and I thought, like, I love

826
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, and that seems crazy to be crazy to me.

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Speaker 1: It's like Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. I think that

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Speaker 1: people thinking that everyone's gonna be an m v P

829
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: or close to it in their second year in the league,

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Speaker 1: and it's like Kyler Murray could be better, be a

831
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback, and this team could still be pretty lousy,

832
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: Like if we had if we had time, you know,

833
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: with Darren It's like I would have asked, what are

834
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: the Cardinals see I guess in their offensive line, in

835
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: their secondary, in their defensive line that we don't see

836
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: because they didn't really touch those positions. And and I

837
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Speaker 1: think it's the toughest division in football and in even

838
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: if Kyler Murray plays really well, I guess I think

839
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Speaker 1: they're still the most likely team to be in last

840
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: Could they be better? Could they sneak out nine or ten?

841
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: Went Sure, But it feels like man Kyler Murray would

842
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: have to be like insanely good to be an m

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00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: V peak in. I mean, they seemed to be talked

844
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: about as they remind me a little bit, um the

845
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: Bucks stole this mantle, But of the hype surrounding maybe

846
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: the Niners two years ago or the Browns a year ago,

847
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: where we haven't seen it, and um, you're assuming a

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00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: lot is gonna happen in a hurry for a team

849
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: that really won five games last year and had holes.

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Speaker 1: But I think West mentioned it before. When you look

851
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: at what they've added. Um, I'm not sure that a

852
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: team um grew as much as as the Cardinals did

853
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: this offseason. And they see they're not that far away

854
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: from having what Cliff Kingsbury would imagine his offense to

855
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: be the way that Kyle Shanahan got there in a

856
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: couple of years with the Niners. And they did get

857
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: Josh Jones a tackle at the number seventy two pick.

858
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: And you know some people have you know, these tackles

859
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: were rated all over the map, but PFF had him

860
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: as their fourteen rated guy overall in the draft. And

861
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: he is a massive dude. And if he works out,

862
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: all that line is they a top ten pick of

863
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: offensive line is a dart throw. Once you get into

864
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: that range, it feels like, you know, you're just praying

865
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: that you're going to get a French And they did

866
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: not address it. I mean they write they and also

867
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: you have to pack in DeAndre Hopkins as part of

868
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: their off season hall and affected their draft situation absolutely.

869
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: But I guess I look at their off season, I

870
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: think other than Hopkins, which was the move of the

871
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: off season, and that can't be understated, I I guess

872
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't see what they add and they added a

873
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: draft class. Sure, and it looks promising, but a lot

874
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: of Steve Kimes draft classes that look promising. I guess

875
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't put a ton of stock into that. And

876
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: in basically Hopkins and it's County and Murray to get better,

877
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: which is a reasonable, you know expectation. Well, he this

878
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: offense finished seventh and waited d v o A, which

879
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: slants the stats advanced stats towards the end of the season.

880
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: If you did better in December, you're gonna finish higher

881
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: and wait to d v o A. So a top

882
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: ten offense down the stretch. Once Christian Kirk got healthy,

883
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray went most of the year with one of

884
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: the worst wide receiver corps in the NFL. He went

885
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: most of the year with a bad offensive line. They

886
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: get Marcus Gilbert back at right tackle. Um, like Mark said,

887
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: they bring in Josh Jones. Um. I want to know,

888
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: is that wait to dv O A. Is that a

889
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: small sample size effect? Is that Cliff Kingsbury smoking mirrors effect?

890
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: How much of that is real? How much of that

891
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: is gains that will carry over to next year? And

892
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a big question. But when you watch

893
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray play. There are weeks where you say, who

894
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: spends it like this guy, Like his accuracy and release,

895
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: especially intermediate and deep balls, is really impressive. I think

896
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: if you made a hit like the ten best throws

897
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray season, it would stack up with most

898
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: any quarterback in the league. And I think Cliff Cliff

899
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: It's only a year, but they were. They were second

900
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: in rushing d v O d v O A for

901
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: the year with Kenyan Drake, with you know, with David

902
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: the former you know, David Johnson essentially with with Chase Edmonds. Like,

903
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: I do think that there should be excitement in Kyler

904
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: is such a threat in the running game that like

905
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: maybe Cliff is gonna be like Kyle Sanahan light or

906
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: Kyle Sanahan when it comes to the running game, and

907
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: that makes everything like a lot easier. It's more about

908
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: the defense. I guess that I'm I'm not quite buying

909
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna bring up Jason Zumwold. I asked him

910
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: because he is a you know, friend of the show

911
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: and a big Cardinals fan, what his number one concern was.

912
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: And there's a lot to be optimistic for uh Dan's

913
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: longtime friend, and you know, I mean he's he's a

914
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: bit of a stake bit Cardinals fan, the way that

915
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: some of us are with certain franchises. He mentioned, like

916
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: Mark bringing up Jason like he is Robert de Niro

917
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: and the media listeners. Now, to me, he's at least

918
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: christ for walking based on his walking with Giants bits.

919
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: So he is a bit of a celebrity to me.

920
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: And he's written real television shows, which um is an

921
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: easy to do. He is a talent. And he mentioned,

922
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: and this is a bit of a deep dive, he

923
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't like a Q Shipley being shipped out at center

924
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: and has some questions about whether Mason cole can can

925
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: step in. But I think the offensive line is your question.

926
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: And you know they they if you look at there,

927
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: and I don't have the d v O A scenario here,

928
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: but they were the twenty nine ranked offense um from

929
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: the twenty in the red zone from twenty to goal

930
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: line that they were. They got into those situations and

931
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: they couldn't score sometimes and a lot of times it

932
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: was because teams knew you just dropped seven defensive backs

933
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: on this four wide receiver set and you let the

934
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: rent the rest of the guys chase after Kyler Murray

935
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: and he made some bad decisions. That's one area they

936
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: need to improve because if you watch that Cleveland win

937
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: and then they went and beat the Seahawks next week,

938
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: if that's what it's being weighted on, it felt like

939
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: they started to awake and become what you think they

940
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: could become late in the year. Yeah. I think red

941
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: zone is where you separate the real stars at quarterback

942
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: from guys like Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff who moved

943
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: the sticks from the twenties, But can you bring the

944
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: ball into the end zone. I think the red zone

945
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: is where the spectacular quarterbacks do the work. Put them

946
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: in a body bag. Wess Um all right over under

947
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: Chris Westling Arizona Cardinals eight and a half wins. I'm

948
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: going under Um. I just think that's a big jump.

949
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: That's a huge jump. I could see them win in

950
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: eight games. I don't see them as a playoff team.

951
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: I do think. Looking on the bright side, the one

952
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: thing I like about this team compared to last year

953
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: is they have much more depth on both sides of

954
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: the ball. Great offseason for come, I don't know, I

955
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: don't see it. I'm going under because, uh, to me,

956
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: the defensive line might be of the worst in football,

957
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: not deep at all, the cornerback situation Patrick Peterson did

958
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: not look like Patrick Peterson a year ago. And behind

959
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: them it's one of the worst situations in football. No

960
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: depth at all. And and Mark mentioned the line. So

961
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: those are three pretty pretty key areas that I was like,

962
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: they like those that those positions because they didn't touch them.

963
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: But h I go under. I think this division's brutal.

964
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: If they won seven games, I feel like that'd be

965
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: a great accomplishment. It's a it's a rough division for

966
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: everyone though. Um, I would go nine and seven because

967
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: again I mentioned to Darren that they lost five games

968
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: last year by like a score or something, and I

969
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: think that we saw who they were down the stretch. Uh,

970
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: they did their line. Defensive line is not great, but

971
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: they added two defensive tackles. Um, they're getting some guys healthy.

972
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean in general, listening to some of their guys

973
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: talk like they feel like there is, to West's point,

974
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: more depth on defense and they can't get much worse

975
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: than they were last year. I'll go I'll take the

976
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: over and Greg you you you talked about the m

977
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: v P odds and and Murray showing up. I think

978
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: that definitely, like you alluded to, is a direct correlation

979
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: to what happened with Lamar Jackson and what he did

980
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: in year two. And I guess i'd be smart, I'd

981
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: feel confident betting that Kyler Murray is gonna be one

982
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in the NFC UM after his

983
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: second full season. I think he's he feels like a

984
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: can't miss guy if he stays healthy, and they did

985
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: a great job and getting him a true number one receiver.

986
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: There just seems like a real chance to me that

987
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna blow up this year. And that's

988
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: fun to root for. Jason Zummaltz, my buddy, I'd like

989
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: to see it so I could see if Murray is

990
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: a transcendent guy, and I think he could be. This

991
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: team could win ten games, and certainly with an extra

992
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: playoff spot, you are going to the playoffs. So how

993
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: about the playoffs cards? I'll take right there. Um, all right,

994
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: that wraps up our Arizona Cardinals deep dive, and we'll

995
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: be doing this every Wednesday ish, maybe every Wednesday, maybe

996
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: not every Wednesday, but we'll be doing it a whole

997
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: bunch of times. We'll and we'll spind the wheel again

998
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: at the end of Monday show to find out who

999
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: Team Too will be. And again, anybody that thought and

1000
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: Ricky jump in a second year, anybody who thought that, uh,

1001
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: this was not organic, that we picked the Cardinals to

1002
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: start with, that that couldn't be further from the truth.

1003
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: Mark just guessed it would the Cardinals, right, Why would

1004
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: you launch it that way? Yeah, well we did, and

1005
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel good about it. I think

1006
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: we did a nice job. But it so we'll keep

1007
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: moving on with our team by team series. Uh. That

1008
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: wraps up the Wednesday edition of The Around the NFL podcast.

1009
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: A reminder Friday, our next time, Our next time talking

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Speaker 1: to us about that. We've we've done some internal deep

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Speaker 1: together or her house. Listen. We have all sorts of

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Speaker 1: listeners to this fine show. All right, stand hands a

1025
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Speaker 1: signing off for a quiet storm. The mailman, the old

1026
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: Boss Ricky Hollywood behind the door of her spacious West

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Speaker 1: Hollywood apartment with a pool in the center. Good for you.

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