1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. Prime Minister Benjamin net 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Yahoo is one of the most formidable and insightful leaders 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: of our time. In his new book BB My Story, 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: he tells the story of his family, his path to leadership, 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: and his unceasing commitment to defending Israel and securing its future. 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Born in nineteen forty nine, in the wake of the 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Holocaust and at the dawn of Israel's independence, he was 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: raised in a family with a prominent Zionist history, and 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: he and his two brothers understood that the Jewish state 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: was a hard one yet still precarious gift. He served 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: as Prime Minister of Israel from nineteen ninety six to 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine and again from two thousand and nine 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: to two twenty one. From nineteen sixty seven to nineteen 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: seventy two, he served in the Elite Special Forces unit 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: of the Israeli Defense Forces. A graduate of MIT, he 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: was appointed as Israel's ambassador nations from nineteen eighty four 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty eight, then elected to the Israeli Parliament 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: as a member of the Likud party in nineteen eighty eight, 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: and earlier this month, Israel's President Isaac Herzog invited him 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: to form Israel's next government, paving the way for him 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: to become Prime Minister of Israel again for a record 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: sixth time, which will extend his record as Israel's longest 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: serving leader and someone who has transformed his nation. I'm 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: especially delighted to have BB today because I think we 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: first met about nineteen eighty four and a lunch with 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: Jack Kemp in the House restaurant, and I have watched 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: his career with amazement and admiration ever since. So I 28 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: am really pleased to welcome my guests. Prime Minister Benjamin 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: that Yahoob. I want to thank you for joining me 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: a news world, But I have to say, as busy 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: as you are now forming a new government, can you 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: take just a minute to tell us. I know this 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: is not in the book, because it happened since the book, 34 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: but how you pulled this off once again? You have 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: bounced back, and I don't know anybody who's had a 36 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: greater capacity than you have for somehow continuing to win. Well, 37 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: that's both a technical question and a philosophical question. I 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: think the real answers that. As I say in my book, 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm guided by a mission and the mission is to 40 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: protect the future of Israel, to ensure its prosperity, it's security, 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: and its permanence. And I think the voters understand that ultimately, 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: you know, political power is meaningless by itself if it's 43 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: not connected to purpose. And at least an Israel, the 44 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: voters believed that I have such a purpose, and I do, 45 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: and I think that's what decides it. How did they 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: do it technically? Oh God, you really want to know 47 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: this first chapter of the next book. But I'll tell 48 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: you what I did. Remember the trained speeches that American 49 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: presidents gave a whistle stops. Well, I didn't do it 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: at whistle stops. I took a truck like a rock 51 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: band truck, you know, And I went around to dozens 52 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: and dozens of locations in Israel, and instead of giving 53 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: talks in a closed hall, I went into a neighborhood 54 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: and a thousand and two thousand, three thousand people would come, 55 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: and I talked to them and tell them why they 56 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: should come out and vote, because our main problem is 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: they're more right of center voters in Israel than left 58 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: of center, but the left of center voters typically come 59 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: out to vote more than the right of center. A 60 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: lot of the COULD voters stayed home typically in the 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: last thirty forty years. That's what happened. I said, I 62 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: got to break this. So I went on this neighborhood 63 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: whistle stop and I had these mask gatherings in which 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: I spoke to them and urged them to each go 65 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: to some the COUD voters whom they're a relative, a friend, 66 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: a neighbor who would stay home, and tell them, don't 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: stay home this time. Let's get out of this parallel 68 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: of repeated elections every year. Come out and vote and 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: decide to vote this time, and of work. That's it. 70 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: That's my next chapter. That's great. I love the term 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: neighborhood whistle stuff that captured. Look, you know, I mean 72 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: part of what I think has been consistent in your 73 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: whole life and that you talk about in your book 74 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: is the influence that your family had and that you 75 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: learn from the very beginning from your father, which I 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: must say, as a fellow historian, I have the greatest 77 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: respect for and the work he did with the Encyclopedia Hebraica. 78 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: Share with us how your early life sort of shaped 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: what became your entire life. Well, I grew up in 80 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: a family that had a very prominent Zionis sister, and 81 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: my grandfather was a great rabbi but also a great 82 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: orator for the Jewish state well before the Jewish state 83 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: was established, and he saw as the founder of modern Israel. 84 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: Really Theodore Hurtzel saw in the beginning of the twentieth century. 85 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: He saw that without a Jewish state, the Jewish people 86 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: were doomed. They were doomed, certainly in Europe, they would 87 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: be annihilated. They could see that very clearly, and my 88 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: grandfather worked for My father worked for it. He came 89 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: to the United States on the eve of the Second 90 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: World War and argued for American support for the establishment 91 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: of a Jewish state. He actually pioneered the platform. He 92 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: didn't get very far because Roosevelt at the time was 93 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: adamantly opposed to a Jewish state because he thought it 94 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: would upset Britain, who hurried favor with the Arabs. And 95 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: my father had to break that band that he had 96 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: on Zionism. So he did something quite extraordinary at the time. 97 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: He went to the Republicans and he went to Senator 98 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: Taft and he said, you know, you really should support 99 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: a Jewish state, it will be the greatest ally in 100 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: the Middle East, and Taft was convinced, and in the 101 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: Republican Platform of nineteen forty four, the Republican Party adopted 102 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: a platform supported a Jewish state, and Roosevelt was outraged, 103 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: but sure enough, as my father had predicted, within three months, 104 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: the Democratic National Convention also adopted a similar platform. So 105 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: my father, in a twist of history, was in many 106 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: ways the progenitor of America's bipartisan support for a Jewish state. 107 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: Most people don't know that. And then he stayed around 108 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: after the war, he met with General Eisenhower and described 109 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: this extraordinary conversation that my father had with EISENHARO, who 110 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: just come back victorious from the war. He still didn't 111 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: run for president. He was the chief of the army. 112 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: And he meets him in nineteen forty seven and he said, General, 113 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: you really have to support a Jewish state. Will be 114 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: the strongest country in the Middle East, will have the 115 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: strongest army, and will block Soviet aggression and expansionism into 116 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: the Middle East. And Eisenhar said to him, how would 117 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: you do that. You're only six seventy thousand, that's all 118 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: we were at the time, How could you possibly do that? 119 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: And he said, General, you've just seen in two world 120 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: wars how we Jews fight for others. Can you imagine 121 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: how powerful will be when we fight for ourselves? And 122 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: I thought I was convinced. So he called the entire 123 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: General staff of the United States to hear this young man, 124 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: who was in his thirties, to hear him out. Because 125 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: my father spoke of America's interest. He said, Israel would 126 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: be a bulwark of American and Western interests in the 127 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: Middle East. And he was a great visionary. He could 128 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: see the future as few people could. He had this 129 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: remarkable capacity of insight, as a great a storian that 130 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: he was. Then he left Israel was founded, he left it, 131 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: and I grew up in Jerusalem. My father was a scholar. 132 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: He was the editor in chief of our equivalent of 133 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: Encyclopedia Britannica. And I grew up in this very intellectual 134 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: home in Jerusalem with my two brothers, my older brother 135 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Jonathan Joni and my younger brother Edo, and we were 136 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: infused with this great miracle that had happened. The Jewish 137 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: people had come back from death from the ashes of 138 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: the Holocaust. We grew up we thought a normal life. 139 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: It was anything but normal, because just three years earlier, 140 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: a million and a half Jewish babies were murdered by 141 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: the Nazis. And here we were growing up in Jerusalem, 142 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: in a normal country, with a normal state, with a 143 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: normal army and so on. But it was anything but normal. 144 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: It was miraculous. I was infused with that, and that 145 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: informed my entire life. But now, when you're eight years old, 146 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: your parents take you to America, right, and I gather 147 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a culture shock. Not 148 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: a little bit, it was a huge culture shot. First 149 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: of all, I spoke not a word of English. I 150 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: remember I was in public school one sixty six in Manhattan. Okay, 151 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't know a word of English. They played this 152 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: strange game of American baseball, which I never understood. I 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: like football over time, American football, even though I played soccer. 154 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: There is a World Cup now, so we're glued to it. 155 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: And by the way we're talking now is one of 156 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: the star games is being played, so you can understand 157 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: how much which I value. I didn't know a word 158 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: of English. They put me next to a little girl 159 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: called Judy PS one sixty six and her job was 160 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: to teach me a few words of English every day. 161 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: So I remember she had a big picture book and 162 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: there was a picture of a dog. This is spot. 163 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: Spot is a dog. C spot run, Run, Spot Run. 164 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: That's how I learned English. I learned how to write 165 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: it and speak it at the age of eight. But 166 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: I caught on fairly quickly with the help of my mother, who, 167 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: even though she had been born in what is now 168 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: Israel in nineteen twelve, she had been raised in Minnesota, 169 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: believe it or not, So she taught me how to 170 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: pronounce English properly. So I owe my English to my 171 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: dear mother and to my dear Judy, whom I've never met. 172 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: I hope I find her. That's wild. Maybe one of 173 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: her friends will hear this and track her down. Now, 174 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: when you go back home, you and your brothers join 175 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: an elite special forces outfit for the Israeli Defense Forces. 176 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: And when you're twenty two, as a captain, you're wounded 177 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: while rescuing hostages from a hijacked plane. That must have 178 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: been quite an experience. Well it was. First of all, 179 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: I got shot, so it was quite an experience, which 180 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: I remember. I was shot by friendly fire because this 181 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: was a very close quarter. But it wasn't quite as 182 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: simple as that, because my older brother had been wounded 183 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: a few years earlier, in nineteen sixty seven in the 184 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: Sixth Day War, three hours before the end of the 185 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: warrior was shot, and I had a terrible premonition that 186 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: he would die in battle. And I went to visit 187 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: him in the hospital in North Israel. He had been 188 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: wounded on practically the last battle of the Sixth Day 189 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: War and the gold On Heights, and he lay in bed. 190 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: I remember this in the orthoped accord in the hospital, 191 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: and he was probably the only one around, you know, 192 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: with all these patients who were lost limbs that were amputated, 193 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: and his arm was whole, but his elbow was shattered, 194 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: and he was a disabled veteran, and believing when I 195 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: saw him, I really was happy. He was. You know, 196 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: you can ask how could he be happy, because he 197 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: would never face the hell of war again, He would 198 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: never face death again. So he was now released from 199 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: the army. He went to study in Harvard. He made 200 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: the Dean's list. He would never join the army again. 201 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: He came back after a year at Harvard, having been 202 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: an exceptional student, he said, I can't stay there while 203 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: the war of terror was gathering steam. Here. I have 204 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: to be with my friends, my friends who are joining 205 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: the army in the reserves. I can't have the luxury 206 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: of being in Boston and enjoying life there. So he 207 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: enrolled in the Hebrew University. I then joined the Army 208 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: into the Special Unit, and I was asked to go 209 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: to officer school very early, unheard of almost in the unit, 210 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: very early. And I didn't want to go because I 211 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: would have to sign for two additional years. He said 212 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: to me, you're going to officer school and I said, well, 213 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going. He said, what do you mean you're 214 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: not going. I said, well, I was accepted to Yale University, 215 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: having finished an American high school before. They accepted three 216 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: years in advance. Unheard of. No Ivy League school would 217 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: do that for me. But they said, okay, well we'll 218 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: accept you three years in advance. And I said to 219 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: the commanding officer, I'm going to Yale University. And he said, look, 220 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: you go back on a weekend pass. If you don't 221 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: come back on Sunday, that's the beginning of our weekday. 222 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: And you don't tell me that you're going to officer school. 223 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm throwing you out of the unit. Now, this was 224 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: a fate worse than death. So I didn't know what 225 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: to do. I went to talk over the weekend to 226 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: my older brother, the disabled veteran, and I said, what 227 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: am I going to do? He's gonna throw me out 228 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: of the unit. What should I tell him? And he 229 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: thought for a second, on you, and then he said 230 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: something that changed my life. He said, tell him I'll 231 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: go in your place. And I said, you you're old. 232 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: Mind you? He was all of twenty three, you're married, 233 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: you're a disabled veteran. He's not going to take you. 234 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: And he said, listen, just tell him to pull my file. 235 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: On Sunday, I come back to the commanding officer and 236 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: he says to me, well, have you decided? And I said, yes, 237 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going, but my older brother is willing to 238 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: come in my place. He said, yeah, WUZI. He said 239 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: his name is He only pulled his file. He pulls 240 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: his file. He saw his outstanding cadet and officers school, 241 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: enormous recommendations from his commanding officers, and he said, okay, 242 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: bring him in. And we brought him in and now 243 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: of course, how do you get him through the induction 244 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: medical exam because he can't open his arm completely. Well, 245 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: they figured that out. They brought him to a recent 246 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: immigrant doctor didn't know exactly the word for elbow and 247 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: the word for joint was the same. He examined one knee, 248 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: exam of the other knee. He said he's fine. And 249 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: that's how my brother went into the unit. Now he's 250 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: the officer. And a year later, a few months later, 251 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: actually I went to officer school too. So now we're 252 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: two officers in the same unit. My younger brother joined 253 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: and we are three in a tiny unit, never amounting 254 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: to more than a hundred fighters. This created a natural problem. Well, 255 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: a few years later, a plane is hijacked and brought 256 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: to Anguran Airport right near Tel Aviva, Okay. And this 257 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: plane was hijacked four Arab terrorists, two men, two women. 258 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: They're going to blow up the plane unless this will 259 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: releases three hundred terrors, jailed in Israeli jails and flown 260 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: to an Arab country of their choice. Well, nobody had 261 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: ever rescued a hijack plane before, never happened before. We 262 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: went to a hangar right next to this hijack plane, 263 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: and we practiced using Baretta pistols because we always use 264 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: Kalashnikov assault rifles or Oozie submachinees. We couldn't hide them 265 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: in our boots because that was the plan, and anyway 266 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: their firepower would kill the passengers. And now everything's ready 267 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: to go. Moscheta on the defense Minister gets us dressed 268 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: as mechanics. We're going to fix the plane and prepare 269 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: it for takeoff, and everything's ready to go. Now my 270 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: older brother only comes in and he says, Bibe, I'm 271 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: going too. I said, you're not going. You know, we're 272 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: only sixteen fighters and close quarters. We can't do that. 273 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: He said, I'll go instead of you. I said, you 274 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: can't go instead of me. These are my men. You 275 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: can't go. He said, so we'll both go, And I said, 276 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: you understand what you're saying. I mean, think of mother 277 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: and father. Think of what would happen if something happened 278 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: to one of us, to both of us. And then 279 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: he said to me this extraordinary sentence. He said, bb 280 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: my life is my own and my death is my own. 281 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: And so, in sharp disagreement, we went to the unit commander. 282 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: He decided for me obviously because these were my soldiers. 283 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: The only was left behind with much Dayan and Shimun Paris, 284 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: who was the transport minister at the time. We went 285 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: to the plane dressed as mechanics, took our positions, ready 286 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: to hear the whistle that would be the signal for 287 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: us to go on the plane. We stormed the plane, 288 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: killed two of the men and captured two of the women. 289 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: I grabbed one of them by the hair was a wig. 290 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: I grabbed her by a real hair, and I wanted 291 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: to know where the charges were that they planted in 292 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: the plane, because they blow up the entire plane. And 293 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: one of my fellow fighters comes with his baretta pistol 294 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: and he says, baby, let me take care of her, 295 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: and he slaps her on the face, releases a bullet 296 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: that goes through her and through me and hit my arm. 297 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm taking off the plane. This whole thing took 298 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: two minutes, and except for one woman who was right 299 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: next to me. She was shot and killed, a young woman. 300 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm lying now on the tarmac. Metta gave me some 301 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: morphine to ease the pain. And I'm lying on the 302 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: tarmac and I see my brother Joni rushing from Afar, rushing, 303 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: and this terrible look of distress on his face, and 304 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: he gets closer and closer, and as he stands over me, 305 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: he sees this red splatter of blood on my white sleeve, 306 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: and this huge grin spreads over his face and he 307 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: says to me, babe, you see I told you shouldn't go. 308 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: And that was it. So that's one of the stories 309 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: that I tell. There so many others. But we had 310 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: a very adventurous time. Obviously, you then do go to 311 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: MIT and end up with a master's degree in management? 312 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: Was that helpful to you very much? So? This was 313 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: my practical mothers, he said. I actually studied architecture for 314 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: my first degree, and she said, if you're going to 315 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: be an architect, you may as well know how to 316 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: run your business. So I went to the business school, 317 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: to Slow School in mt. The way it helped me 318 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: was not merely that you got the fundamentals of computers 319 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: or physics or engineering in a very good school, but 320 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: much more so that it got me into the Boston 321 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: consulting room, which is where I met this eccentric genius 322 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: Bruce Anderson, who was a real genius. It must have 323 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: been in his late seventies. And he calls me on 324 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: the first day and he says, look, I know you'll 325 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: go back to your country, so learn everything you can 326 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: here because one day it will help your country. I'm 327 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, Okay, I don't know a thing 328 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: about business. I just got into this elite consulting roup, 329 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: but I don't know anything about it. And And I think 330 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: this guy is completely bonkers. But he wasn't bonkers. It 331 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: was absolutely right because it was there that I learned 332 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: the fundamentals of competitive advantage and of capitalism, and that 333 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: made a tremendous impression on me. America taught me what 334 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: free markets can do, what free enterprise can do, what 335 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: individual initiative can do, and what business from can do, 336 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: and so down the line, it helped me refashion Israel's 337 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: economy to a free market one. So I have to 338 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: credit my mother, I have to credit mit, but could 339 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: at Bruce Anderson. I remember watching you in that period 340 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: when you were a minister and you were fundamentally reshaping 341 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: the Israeli economy towards a high technology, capital investment, competitive, 342 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: really international juggernaut of enormous impact. And I always thought 343 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: that you were sort of in the same tradition as 344 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: Reagan and Thatcher. I didn't realize all the MIT relationship 345 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: and the Boston Group relationship, but you clearly really understood 346 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: the potential of a competitive market and an investment in 347 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: cutting edge technology, and it revolutionized Israel. It did. I 348 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: can tell you that when I became Prime Minister or financements. 349 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: You have to remember the exact numbers, but our GDP 350 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: per capita trailed just about every country in Europe and 351 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: Western Europe. It was seventeen thousand dollars per capita. Today 352 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: it's fifty four thousand dollars. We passed Japan, France, Britain, 353 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: believe it or not, Germany too. That's the power of 354 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: welding together high technology, which has produced constantly in the army, 355 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: especially in the intelligence services, and free markets. Technology by 356 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: itself does not produce wealth. Free markets do. But if 357 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: you have a combination of free markets and technology, you 358 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: have a tremendous engine of growth. And that's really what 359 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: happened in Israel. We turned it from a semisocialist state 360 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: to free market economy. But I had to do that 361 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: because we went through a very severe economic crisis and 362 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: this one. Bill Clinton had it right. You know, never 363 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: let a good crisis go to waste. So I affected 364 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: eighty sum reforms, free market reforms which cost me politically 365 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: enormously but ultimately change the country. And you have a 366 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: system where as I understand it, where you have one 367 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: particular military unit, this extraordinarily high tech, and the graduates 368 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: of that unit are among the most successful entrepreneurs in 369 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, and they make a lot of things. 370 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at yourself, you know, a 371 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: good chunk of it is produced in Israel. A good 372 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: chunk of the software is produced in Israel. There are 373 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: medicines that are produced in Israel. There is recycling of waters. 374 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: There's precision agriculture. You know what that is. You put 375 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: a drone in the sky, you put sensors on the ground, 376 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: and then you know that you don't have to irrigate 377 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: the entire field just to irrigate the ones that are parts. 378 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: You get productivity gainst things. It's endless, it's everywhere, and yes, 379 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: this unit is a very good one. Israel to survive 380 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: needs a very strong army. But in addition to a 381 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: strong army, and it has to have a very large 382 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: brain a very large intelligence brain, and we take the 383 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: very smart people in the army and then they go 384 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: out and they become entrepreneurs or knowledge workers and so on. 385 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: So a lot of the stuff you use ways in 386 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: your car, whatever that's made in Israel, you know it 387 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: was brought by Google. And it goes on and on 388 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: and on and on. So Israel became a fountain of innovation. 389 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: And that's what free markets do. Free markets revolutionized as weel. 390 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of the fact that I led the charge. 391 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: But I can tell you that I described conversation I 392 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: had when I became Finance Minister. After I became Prime Minister, 393 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: I lost the first election, then went back into politics 394 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: and as a finance minister, and that's when I really 395 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: did all these reforms in the midst of one of 396 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: the worst economic crisis we had in Israel's history. And 397 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: I remember my son was a little boy at the time. 398 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: He said, Daddy, look at the skyline of Tel Aviv. 399 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: It's nothing. And look at New York. I mean, look 400 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: how many high rises they have there. And I said, relax, 401 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: my boy, your father will be finance minister and you'll 402 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: see how that change as well. If you come to 403 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: Tel Aviv today. I don't know when the last time 404 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: that you were in Israel nude, but it's a forest 405 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: of ice cream. It's just change. It's the power of 406 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: free markets. It's very power now. Tragically, in the middle 407 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: of your successful education. If I remember correctly, your brother 408 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: Yanna is the soldier killed and the rescue operation at Entebbi. Yeah, 409 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: four years after the airline hijacking rescue that I described 410 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: before I left the army, he stayed in the army. 411 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: I left the Army to go to mt and to 412 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: the Boston Consulting Group and so on. He stayed and 413 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: he became the commander of this unit, and he led 414 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: it to what Drew Middleton, the respected military analyst of 415 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: the New York Times at the time, described as an 416 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: operation without precedent in military history, and it's probably the 417 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: most spectacular rescue of modern times. He led his men 418 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: into the heart of Africa because the terrorists would no 419 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: longer land hijack planes in Israel after what we did 420 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: to them, So they figured out, we'll land them in 421 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: the middle of Africa with at Idiom means Uganda, this dictator, 422 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: and that's it. Asrael would have to capitulate while they 423 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: were wrong, and he only landed with his forces in 424 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: the dark of night, and this air fielding and Tebi 425 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: Uganda stormed the old terminal where the terrorists kept the hostages. 426 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: The terrorists killed the Ugandan troops who were helping them, 427 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: destroyed the mid aircraft that could give chase to the 428 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: planes going back to Israel with the freed hostages. But 429 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: there was only one military casualty and it was him. 430 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: And that was a moment that when my younger brother 431 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: Edo told me. I was studying it an MIT at 432 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: the time and he told me this, I have to 433 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: say that it was like dying. But it was actually 434 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: not the worst moment of my life because I traveled 435 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: seven hours to Ithaca, New York, to Cornell University, where 436 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: my father was teaching at the time, and I had 437 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: to tell my parents, and I could tell you that 438 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: that was a moment of sheer agony. There's nothing else 439 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: that I can compared to just sheer agony. But I 440 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: drew a lot of strength from the courage of my parents, 441 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: their dignity, their remarkable strength. And this event changed my 442 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: life and steered it to its present course because I 443 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: found a way to overcome in consolable grief, devoting myself 444 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: to the cause that my brother died in fighting international terrorism, 445 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: and went on to recruit many leading voices in the 446 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: Western world to a new approach at fighting terrorism. And 447 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: the approach basically said, you don't just fight the terrorists, 448 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: you fight the terrorist states that make their grizzly deeds possible. 449 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: And that took a few years, but it changed the 450 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: attitudes of the West or terrorism. That thrust me into 451 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: public diplomacy, but ultimately into diplomacy itself, and from there 452 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: to politics. Both your own history and the history of 453 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: visual had been dramatically different if you had never gotten 454 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: into politics. What led you to decide for public office? 455 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: I got a phone call for somebody who we both 456 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: know much Arrants, the Lake Mucherans. He attended a conference 457 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: that I did in memory of my brother. I set 458 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: up this institute to fight terrorism, and I organized an 459 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: international conference to which I invited Scoop Jackson and George 460 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: Bush Senior and many others, the noted writer Paul Johnson 461 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: from Britain, and many many others from Europe and from 462 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: the United States to adopt this new policy on terrorism. 463 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: Aarons had been to this conference and he was appointed 464 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: ambassador of Israel to Washington, and he was so impressed 465 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: with the conference that he said, I want to meet 466 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: the guy who organized that conference. So he called me 467 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: up and he said, I'm going to Washington. I want 468 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: you to be by deputy in Israel's embassy in Washington, DC. 469 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: And I knew Aarons, I respected him, and I thought, 470 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: well that makes sense, so I told him why not, 471 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: And that's how I got to Washington. I became the 472 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: deputy ambassador, and then became the ambassador at a young 473 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: age at thirty three to the U N and then 474 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: made my way back to Israel after that. But I 475 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: suppose all of that would not have happened had my 476 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: brother Jonnie not told me that he would go in 477 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: my place, and probably would not have happened had he 478 00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: not fallen in Tebbet. That shifted my life completely. I 479 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: have this conversation and a chance to educate the many 480 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: people who listen to our podcast without asking you for 481 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: your advice and your analysis of the way in which 482 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: we've totally mishandled Iran and how you see that playing 483 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: it out. I mean, it's sort of the central question 484 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: of survival. I think in the region. I don't think 485 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: only in the region. It's certainly a question of survival 486 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: for Israel, because Iran openly says death to Israel, but 487 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: they also say enchant death to the United States. They 488 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: call us the small Satan, they call you the big Satan, 489 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: because they see us, by the way, correctly, as a 490 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: bastion of Western civilization, exactly as my father that told 491 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: eisenh Our decades earlier, and without Israel, the Middle East 492 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: would collapse completely and the overrun by radical Islamic forces, 493 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: and in this case by Iran. I've devoted a good 494 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: chunk of my life and my five stints as Prime 495 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: Minister to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Because if 496 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: you are has nuclear weapons and coincidentally the ballistic missiles 497 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: to deliver them, they would deliver them. Not only to Israel. 498 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: They can do that already without ballistic missiles if they 499 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: had their bomb, but they could deliver them to any 500 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: city in the United States. The threat of Iran is 501 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: the threat to Western civilization. It's not the same thing 502 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: that if Holland has nuclear weapons or they Atola's abnuclear weapons. 503 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: All nuclear proliferation is bad, but some of it is catastrophic. 504 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: And to have the Aetolas, who have a distorted worldview 505 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: and a distorted goal of overcoming the infidels, to have 506 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: them armed with the weapons of mass death with change 507 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: history in a series of moves that I can describe 508 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: obviously in detail in my book, except one how we puffered. 509 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: I sent the Mussa to the heart of Tehran to 510 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: take the secret atomic archive that Iran had been hiding 511 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: in a dilapidated warehouse in the heart of Tehran. Our agents. 512 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: Did you see the movie Argo, By the way, this 513 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: is Argo on supersteroids. They had thousands of Iranian security 514 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: personnel and police chasing after our guys within Tehran. They 515 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: made it out. They brought half a ton of material 516 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: into his role, which proved that Iran was lying through 517 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: its teeth when it said it never sought to develop 518 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. It was there, black and white. You could 519 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: see it in CDs, you could see it in files, 520 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: you can see it in videos. I mean, the whole 521 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: thing was exposed. And this helped, I think, in galvanizing 522 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: the United States and President Trump to pull out of 523 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: that horrible Iran. Deeal I definitely think that Iran is 524 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: the great danger not only to us, but also to 525 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: our Arab neighbors, to the entire world, to the United States, 526 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: to everyone. You should not sign this bad deal with 527 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: Iran that would pave its way with gold with hundreds 528 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: of billions of dollars, to export its terrorism and to 529 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: complete its nuclear arsenal, which will be aimed at both 530 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: of us, which was your sense of the Abraham Accords. 531 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: The Abraham Accords grew out of two things, really, the 532 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: rise of Iranian power and the threat it posed to 533 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: the Arab world and to the entirement least, and the 534 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: rise of Israeli power. But I had long believed that 535 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: even though my father's generation had worked to re establish 536 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: the Jewish state in our ancient homeland, the Land of Israel, 537 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: it was left to my generation to assure its permanence. 538 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: And the only way you could assure its permanence was 539 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: to assure that Israel was strong. Because history doesn't really 540 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: favor the moral in countries. If you're immoral, unjust, cruel, 541 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: dictatorial murderers, and you have superior weapons and money and 542 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: the will to use them, you'll overcome free societies. It 543 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: almost happened in World War Two, and in order to 544 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: prevent that, Israel has to be strong. To be strong, 545 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: it needed a strong army. To have a strong army, 546 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, to have F thirty five submarines, tanks, drones, 547 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: cyber and so on, that costs money. To have money, 548 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: you need a free economy. So that's what led me 549 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: to revolutionize Israel's economy. And that also enabled us to 550 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: get a very very strong army and a superb intelligence, 551 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: which led to diplomatic power because now the Arab countries 552 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: around US began to look at Israel differently, not as 553 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: their sworn enemy, but as their indispensable ally encountering Iran's 554 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: threat to them. And so that came to a head 555 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, in an event that I described in 556 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: great detail in my book, my decision to go to 557 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: a joint session of Congress and speak out against the 558 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: proposed Iran deal. Now you know it wasn't an easy thing, Nude, 559 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: You don't go challenging an American president, President Obama, whom 560 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: I respected and by the way, who I worked out. 561 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: Then after the deal, I worked out a support package 562 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: for Israel's security, which I am grateful for. But I 563 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: couldn't agree with him. I had to disagree with him 564 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: on the Iran nuclear deal because I thought my country's 565 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: existence was being jeopardized. So in the middle of the 566 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: speech in Congress, my delegation received calls from Golf States 567 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: and they said, we can't believe what your Prime minister 568 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: is doing is challenging the American president. And that led 569 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: to secret meetings in twenty fifteen with Golf leaders that 570 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: laid the foundation for the Abraham Accords. They wanted to 571 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: partake both of Visual's strong stance against Iran and also 572 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: of our technology, a civilian technology which you know, changes 573 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: live for everyone. We needed an American administration, the administration 574 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: President Trump to complete the deal. It took me a 575 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: few years to persuade President Trump and his staff that 576 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: we have four peace agreements that we could make with 577 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: the Arab States, and when they were convinced, we did 578 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: just that. So the Abraham Accords, the stark Abraham Accords 579 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: with the United Arab Emirates, with Bahrain, with Sudan, and 580 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 1: with Morocco took place. Because of this gradual series of 581 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: contacts with the Arab States over a few years, in 582 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: which they understood that it's in their interest to make 583 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: this alliance with Israel. And also something else I told them, Listen, 584 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't persuade the American administrations. I tried to persuade 585 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: previous administrations too, but they were gungo. We have to 586 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: make peace with the Palestinians. You're never going to get 587 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: peace with the Arab world unless you first solve the 588 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: Palestinian problem. And I said, that's going to be a problem, 589 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: because the Palestinians don't want peace. They want a peace 590 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: without Israel. They don't want to stay next to Israel. 591 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: They want to stay instead of Israel. So if we 592 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: wait for them, we'll wait another quarter of a century. 593 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: That's the last time we had a peace treaty was 594 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: a quarter of a century earlier. You'll wait another half century. 595 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: And I had to go around the Palestinian veto to 596 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: the Arab world, and in fact, once we got over that, 597 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, the skies the limit. One of my goals 598 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: obviously is to continue to block Iran's quest for nuclear weapons. 599 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: But the other thing is to expand the circle of 600 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: peace beyond our dreams, finish the Arab Israeli conflict, then 601 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: circle back to the Palestinians, and maybe they'll finally agree 602 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: to the idea of a Jewish state, because that's why 603 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: they don't make peace with us. They don't want a 604 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: Jewish state in their midst We may remember the one 605 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 1: I was speaker, I offered off the bill to move 606 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and we finally, 607 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: with President Trump, got it done. I remember my first ques, 608 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: my first piece to a joint session of Congress was 609 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: with you, by the way, you're in my book. I 610 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: mentioned that because you were speaker at the time, and 611 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: I remember that very well. It's the same theory, which 612 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: is they have to accept the fact of Israel in 613 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: order to ever get to an agreement. The fact and 614 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: the right of Israel they might have accepted as a fact, 615 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: but it has to be a fitter complete. It has 616 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: to be something that they cannot break, that they meet 617 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: an iron wall, that you have to disabuse them of 618 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: the idea that they could ever overcome Israel. And secondly, 619 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: that the Jewish people have a right to have their 620 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: state in their ancestral homeland. So the Arab world is 621 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: gradually and actually rapidly moving to that acceptance, whereas the 622 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: Palestinians will probably be the last to know, and once 623 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: you shift the equation, they're not going to be the 624 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 1: first in order to get the others. You get the others, 625 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: and they'll be the last. If they wake up earlier, 626 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: I'll be very happy. I doubt that that will happen. 627 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: I want you to know how much I personally appreciate 628 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: right in the middle of your creating a new government. 629 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: I know you've done it often enough, it's probably not 630 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: quite as big a challenge as the first time, but 631 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: still I know how busy you are and how complex 632 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: the politics of Israel are, so the fact that you 633 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: would take this amount of time to chat with us. 634 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: But I really want to thank you for joining me, 635 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: and I want you to know that your new book 636 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: BB My Story is going to be right there on 637 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: our show page, and I encourage everybody to get a 638 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: copy of it. And it's a great honor to have 639 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: you on. You are a truly heroic figure of extraordinary 640 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: impact on the world. I want to thank you for 641 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: joining me in news world. Well, I want to thank 642 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: you and you for everything you did over the years 643 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: to support Israel, to support our incredible alliance, and also 644 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: to tell you that I'm very, very ratified by the 645 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: reaction that the book is receiving from the American public. 646 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: I just received a note that it's number one on 647 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: Amazon on Heads of State, presidents, whatever biographies. I don't 648 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: know these guys pretty much either, and it's receiving five stars, 649 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: so that's good. I'm glad people like it, you know, 650 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: and I'm very grateful also to the previous government. It 651 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: didn't last long, but it gave me a year to 652 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: write my book. You know that it's impossible possible to 653 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: write a book from you're an office, so it was 654 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: a welcome despite But I'm back in going into the 655 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: messy bog of politics now that I've written it, so 656 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: please read it. I'll be happy to receive your comments. 657 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: And again I want to thank you for everything you've 658 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: done for Isille and for our alliance over the years. 659 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. My guest Benjamin net Nyahu. You 660 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: can get a link to buy his new book, BB 661 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: My Story on our show page at newtsworld dot com. 662 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: News World is produced by Gingwish three sixty and iHeartMedia. 663 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: Our executive producer is Garnsey Sloan. Our producer is Rebecca 664 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: Howe and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for 665 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: the show was created by Steve Penley. 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