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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Shad Milman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network,

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Speaker 1: and we do have an action packed show because NBA

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Speaker 1: Playoffs coming up next week, NHL Playoffs starting very soon,

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Speaker 1: we at Action Network cover it all. So in a

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Speaker 1: few minutes. Matt Moore Raheem Palmer, the hosts of our

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Speaker 1: very own Action Network podcast, also hosts, analysts, commentators of

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Speaker 1: our NBA bet stream that we've been running all season

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Speaker 1: long with our friends at Yahoo and the n b

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Speaker 1: A and regular writers and analysts on Action network dot com.

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Speaker 1: They are joining the podcast. We're gonna talk all things NBA.

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Speaker 1: What is up with the Knicks, what is up with

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Speaker 1: the Lakers? What are we gonna do with the East?

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Speaker 1: What's happening with the Utah Jazz in the West? Are

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Speaker 1: the Warriors Lakers really going to be the best rated

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Speaker 1: game for the entire playoffs, even if it happens the

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Speaker 1: first weekend of the playoffs. Plus, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: NHL Playoffs with our Action Network senior NHL fan. I

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Speaker 1: call him that because he cares about hockey more than

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Speaker 1: he probably cares about anything else in the world. Mr

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Speaker 1: Michael Leeboff. You might remember him as the co host

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Speaker 1: of The Twenty Dollar Hockey Show, which was the cheapest

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Speaker 1: studio show ever produced about betting on hockey. But first,

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Speaker 1: my bff, my companion, Simon Hunter, well chat looking at you, man.

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Speaker 1: That was a good opening. Body. That was a solid

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Speaker 1: three minutes, no breath, You just were flying through that

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Speaker 1: whole thing. I was flying by the seat of my

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Speaker 1: pants and thinking about how excited I am regarding this show.

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be amazing because the NBA and the

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Speaker 1: NHL coming down to the ends of their season, and look,

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Speaker 1: it's been a weird freaking year. Even if we feel

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Speaker 1: like in this universe we are coming out of COVID,

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Speaker 1: we're all getting vaccinated, we're all starting to see people again,

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Speaker 1: we're all being more social, these two sports started under

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Speaker 1: a cloud of uncertainty, right. We did not know what

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Speaker 1: was going to happen. They did not have fans in

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Speaker 1: the stands, We did not have the vaccine yet, we

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Speaker 1: didn't know how seasons we're going to progress, if seasons

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Speaker 1: were going to progress. The fact that we're getting the

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Speaker 1: playoffs in a time that is resembling something a little

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Speaker 1: bit more normal I think it's fantastic and we should

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Speaker 1: all be enthusiastic about it. Um. But simon, before we

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Speaker 1: get there, one of the things that you've done brilliantly

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Speaker 1: on this show, in now your third season on this show,

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Speaker 1: is you have been so completely transparent about what you're betting,

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Speaker 1: how much you're betting, why you're making decisions, and also

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Speaker 1: you are in it only for the people who are listening.

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Speaker 1: You'd do not make money off of the picks that

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Speaker 1: you give people. Until two or three months ago, you

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Speaker 1: weren't even a full time employee of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: You weren't getting paid for the information you were sharing.

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Speaker 1: So you were doing it out of the goodness of

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Speaker 1: your heart, trying to make people smarter, and through that

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Speaker 1: people got to know you. You were so authentic in

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Speaker 1: the way you describe what's going on in your head

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Speaker 1: about insecurities. And this past couple of months, we've talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about your heartbreak, about your breakup. You brought

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Speaker 1: it up on the show, and now a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are asking what's happening, how are you doing? It's

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Speaker 1: time to share with the people. Yeah, there is nothing

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Speaker 1: five other guys. I mean, this is this is perfect.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I could open up my heart right

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Speaker 1: now and just show you my soul, this is exactly

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Speaker 1: the sign is referring to. It was the fact that

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Speaker 1: we have Rory Leland from The Volume Network producer h

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Speaker 1: Matt Show Action Network producer plus for Heeman Matt Moore

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Speaker 1: waiting in the wings. We're all in the zoom here

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Speaker 1: so everyone can see each other. But this is the

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Speaker 1: all close and there's no reason to not be vulnerable

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Speaker 1: at any time of any day. I believe that sincerely,

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Speaker 1: So uh share with us what's happening. And this is exactly,

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Speaker 1: This is exactly why when I started here I used

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Speaker 1: These are all the reasons. Um yeah man. Basically, I

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Speaker 1: this week. So who knows, Chad, Maybe this is the

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Speaker 1: all right. So number one, as we've just as we

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Speaker 1: dirt er my dirner has been murdered. Um. Number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, I love that you felt like you were

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Speaker 1: frozen Saaly mini cheesecakes. They used to come like four

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Speaker 1: those cheesecakes, Simon, you gotta eat those cheesecakes. You gotta

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Speaker 1: you gotta feel the fields. You gotta get back out there.

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Speaker 1: forward during the next football season, No, dude, um uh no, uh.

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Speaker 1: if I wasn't saying I'm terribly nervous. I do want

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Speaker 1: to bring in Matt Moore and Raheem Like, obviously Matt More,

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Speaker 1: you know he lives a boring single uh life of

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Speaker 1: We've never actually talked about if he's dating anybody or not.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, I continue to love that you frame

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Speaker 1: who's a gambler, that's the winning ticket. Matt Moore, you

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Speaker 1: have something to say here. What I love here is

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Speaker 1: that he's scouting Facebook. He's trying to find an edge

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Speaker 1: stats and numbers to find out, like what the edge

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Speaker 1: let's talk about, uh, finding someone who could be your

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I'm thirty, I gotta get it done.

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Speaker 1: Let me find the person. Thirty isn't even that old.

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Speaker 1: You know many people I'm friends with who had kids

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Speaker 1: into their forties. Raheem, You're you're like barely keeping it

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Speaker 1: I was in a music industry, but there's a period

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Speaker 1: I think Simon's kind of playing this wrong. See. I

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Speaker 1: an accomplishment. To me. Now, I'm not gonna diminish his accomplishment,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just I don't value it as much as

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Speaker 1: we did in the past, because we know, we understand

427
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Speaker 1: usage and he's always had one of the highest in

428
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Speaker 1: the in the league since he left the Rant. Right

429
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Speaker 1: But and Matt Moore I think you take issue with this. Look,

430
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys have high usage rates, and we

431
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Speaker 1: understand what high usage rates are. A lot of guys

432
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Speaker 1: get a lot of volume play. Nobody else's average the

433
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Speaker 1: triple double the way he has, and it came within

434
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Speaker 1: the style of play. I think you could argue that

435
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Speaker 1: as it became something that was more and more part

436
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Speaker 1: of his trademark, there were probably opportunities where he did

437
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Speaker 1: pat his stats a little bit, especially on the rebounds.

438
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Speaker 1: But Matt Moore, you completely disagree with Hume. Look, this

439
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Speaker 1: stuff has to be put in context, which is difficult. Right.

440
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Speaker 1: If you want to have like the right conversation about this,

441
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Speaker 1: I think you have to look at statistical production. The

442
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Speaker 1: NBA is up like we have. It's playing little bit

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Speaker 1: faster than has over the last twenty years. Not as

444
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Speaker 1: fast as the seventies, but pretty fast. Statistical accomplishment is

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Speaker 1: up there, Like, there's a reason why we're seeing four

446
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Speaker 1: of the top like all four of the top offensive

447
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: teams this year have the best offensive ratings in history. Um,

448
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Speaker 1: but here's the big key is that when you talk

449
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Speaker 1: to players like this is a differential that I think

450
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Speaker 1: separates the analysts from the players. I think you have

451
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Speaker 1: to consider both sides of that argument. The players will

452
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Speaker 1: talk a lot about how it's not easy to have

453
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Speaker 1: high usage rates. It's difficult to create that many shots.

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Speaker 1: It takes a lot of effort to grab that many boards,

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Speaker 1: even if you have Steven Adams clearing it. And I

456
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Speaker 1: gotta be real clear on this, like the stuff with

457
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Speaker 1: the rebounds gets it's yes, his teammates would allow him

458
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Speaker 1: to get the board, like Steven Adams with box out guys,

459
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Speaker 1: so he could get the board. The reason is when

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Speaker 1: Russ started a break, their offensive efficiency went out by

461
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Speaker 1: about two points per hundred possessions, which is massive. Like

462
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Speaker 1: they are more effective when Russ had the ball and

463
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Speaker 1: with dreaming up court. Coaches talk about this all the

464
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Speaker 1: time with him, just the fact that he plays so

465
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Speaker 1: hard end to end every night, which is funny because

466
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Speaker 1: he doesn't play the herd on defense, but the coaches

467
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Speaker 1: still love him for it. Um The assists, yes, are

468
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Speaker 1: kind of a rope function of how much he has

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Speaker 1: the ball. Like, Russ isn't a phenomenal passer, he's not Yoki,

470
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Speaker 1: he's not hardened, he's not Lebron, but he is very

471
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Speaker 1: good at understanding how to manipulate a defense and find

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Speaker 1: the guy and get guys and positions to make the

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Speaker 1: shots that they need, and being that kind of heliocentric

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Speaker 1: center of an offense is not easy, and I think

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Speaker 1: the accomplishment is impressive. I think that it is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's obviously historic and he's going to be remembered for it.

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Speaker 1: You have to consider all these things in context, and

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Speaker 1: there are reasons to kind of take those kind of

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Speaker 1: a positions, But I do think at this point Russ

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Speaker 1: is a The other big thing the win rate. When

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Speaker 1: he has a triple double, his teams win at better

482
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Speaker 1: than the six clip. He helps him win games. That

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Speaker 1: to me is like the point of everything. If you're

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Speaker 1: doing something statistical and it doesn't help you win, like

485
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Speaker 1: Jordan Clarkson shooting three thirty three times last night, that's

486
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Speaker 1: one thing. Bo When Russ pulls his triple double action,

487
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Speaker 1: it helps his team win, and that I think is

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Speaker 1: what matters most. I will say that last night I

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Speaker 1: watched that whole game with my younger son, who I'm

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Speaker 1: raising with my beautiful wife, who I love and respect,

491
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Speaker 1: and I hope Simon finds that same kind of happiness

492
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Speaker 1: and partnership with whoever wins the race to be Simon

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Speaker 1: hunters uh wife and person that carries his child. Um uh.

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Speaker 1: I was watching the game, watched the whole game, and

495
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Speaker 1: of course I get a text late in the fourth quarter,

496
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Speaker 1: and I looked down and start responding. And that's when

497
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Speaker 1: Russ gets his final rebound needed for the triple double.

498
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Speaker 1: And you've never seen a child go after a parent

499
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Speaker 1: for being on their phone more than this one went

500
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Speaker 1: after me because I am always on him for being

501
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Speaker 1: on his phone. Up might come up, and and that's

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna get, Simon. When you finally do find

503
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Speaker 1: a wife and raise children, they will come after you.

504
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Speaker 1: Do we need to worry? Does the NBA need to

505
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Speaker 1: worry that it's very possible the Lakers and Warriors meet

506
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Speaker 1: in a play in matchup and that ends up being

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Speaker 1: the highest rated, most intense playoff moment of the entire

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Speaker 1: NBA playoffs. Matt More, I'll start with you. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be the highest rated because you've got Steph

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Speaker 1: and Lebron in a one game playoff Like that's just

511
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Speaker 1: absurd in terms of what it brings. I don't know

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be the most intense, because I think

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Speaker 1: a game seven if you sometimes the series surprise us,

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Speaker 1: and especially like I look, I'll tell you this, there's

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Speaker 1: a very good possibility that it does. It winds up

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Speaker 1: being like what if the Warriors beat Lebron, he falls

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Speaker 1: into the one eight versus the Jazz, a very good

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Speaker 1: team that I would expect him to beat by that

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Speaker 1: series goes seven, the number one team versus Lebron trying

520
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Speaker 1: to go back to back. Or let's say that there's

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Speaker 1: a very good ability that the Lakers move up to

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Speaker 1: six this week depending on what happens, that would be

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Speaker 1: a Lakers Flippers first round. That would be an absolute monster.

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Speaker 1: I will say this though, whatever it is, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to be Lebron. If Lebron falls out of the

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Speaker 1: playoff play in, if he loses twice in the playing tournament,

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Speaker 1: then the ratings are gonna be a pretty big disaster.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's bad for the league. I think

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Speaker 1: they need to rebuild an audience belt around the other

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Speaker 1: stars that they have, because eventually Lebron is not gonna

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Speaker 1: be around, and you need to build teams up, franchises up.

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Speaker 1: But if they want the big hit, the big serotonin

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Speaker 1: hit of the ratings. It's gonna have to be around

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Speaker 1: Lebron the Lakers. Steph Curry is, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest stars on Earth and you have Lebroad who

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Speaker 1: is arguably to go. That would be That's the matchup

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Speaker 1: everybody wants to see. But I think it's not guaranteed

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Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. I mean, the Blazers have the Jazz, Suns,

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Speaker 1: and Nuggets and they could realistically lose all three of

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Speaker 1: those games and they just have a one and a

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Speaker 1: half game lead over the Lakers. I think that will

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Speaker 1: be the highest you know, ratis series, but I think

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Speaker 1: I mean game. But I think the series everybody wants

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Speaker 1: to see his Lakers versus Nets, and I think that

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Speaker 1: will be the most intense series and you know that

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Speaker 1: will have high ratings. And if that doesn't happen, I

547
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Speaker 1: think that's going to be the letdown because everybody, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the NBA um Man always talks about it all

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Speaker 1: the time. You bet, the narrative and a lot of

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Speaker 1: by coming into this year, we assume that it was

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Speaker 1: gonna be Lakers Nets. So if that happens, everybody's tuning

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Speaker 1: in so I don't even know if Steph Curry and

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Speaker 1: Lebron can match that. Dad, I cannot take this West

554
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: Coast talk anymore. Can we please talk about some musicast teams?

555
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Speaker 1: How how do the Sixers and Knicks if that doesn't happen,

556
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be a huge ratings? I mean to one

557
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Speaker 1: of the top five, top four markets. I know Lebron

558
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: obviously he's the king, but I feel like that would

559
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: that would pull some eyeballs and I feel like you'd

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Speaker 1: be really competitive. Like they're both two teams where you

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Speaker 1: have a lot of star power. Obviously with the Sixers

562
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Speaker 1: and the Knicks, they just always draw people. That's just

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Speaker 1: how the Knicks are. So I feel like that's a

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Speaker 1: sneaky one that could get really big rades because, like

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Speaker 1: we always talked about, it's not a ten pm start,

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Speaker 1: this will started like seven thirties, seven o'clock. I always

567
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Speaker 1: feel like that helps. That is a really good that Simon,

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Speaker 1: you just made an excellent point and not at all

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Speaker 1: the Homer point because you love the Sixers. Here's my

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Speaker 1: last question, because I do want to get to leave

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Speaker 1: off and talk about the NHL. If right now, Raheem,

572
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: you go first, if you're making one value bet on

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Speaker 1: uh NBA futures, who is your value bet right now?

574
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Speaker 1: I've been saying it all year. I like the lost

575
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Speaker 1: Leston Los Angeles Clippers to win the NB Game title.

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Speaker 1: I think they have two wings and Kawhi Leonard and

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Speaker 1: Paul George, who can't you know, defend. They could score.

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Speaker 1: They have they have, They have the best office in

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Speaker 1: the league, the number one three point shooting team in

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Speaker 1: the league. I think Ty Roundel was just a huge

581
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Speaker 1: upgrade over Doc Rivers. I've never really been a huge

582
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Speaker 1: fan over of Doc Rivers, even though he's improved this

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Speaker 1: Sixers roster. But I think they got rid of their

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Speaker 1: biggest liabilities and Lou Williams and Montrez Harrold, who couldn't defend,

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Speaker 1: and we knew they couldn't defend, and we knew that

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Speaker 1: they would get picked on in the playoffs. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: as high on the Clippers last year because of those

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Speaker 1: two guys, and it got rid of them. They got

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Speaker 1: rid of Doc. I love this Clippers team. I think

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Speaker 1: if they're healthy, they're gonna win the championship. Clippers currently

591
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Speaker 1: plus five fifty to win it all. I did bet

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Speaker 1: on the Lakers last week when they dipped to four fifty. Uh, Matt,

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Speaker 1: Matt Moore, what do you have to say for yourself

594
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Speaker 1: on this? So I've got a bunch of final matchups

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Speaker 1: positions on Nets, Clippers and Nets Lakers. Um I did

596
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Speaker 1: put in a small position on Bucks to win the

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Speaker 1: East last week. Uh, my biggest one right now, right now,

598
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Speaker 1: you can get Pacific to beat the Atlantic Division versus

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Speaker 1: Division in the finals. So that's Lakers or Clippers or

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Speaker 1: Sons to beat either Sixers or Nets in the finals

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Speaker 1: plus two forty. That to me is great value. The

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00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: Nets are a great team, they're they're title favorites. I

603
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Speaker 1: think that there's a number of ways that they can

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Speaker 1: get toppled. I can see the Bucks getting beating the Nets,

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Speaker 1: and then the Sixers beating the Bucks. There's a bunch

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00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: of outs to that. Meanwhile, if you just don't believe

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00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: in the Jazz, if you're just like I do not

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00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: believe in Utah, which is a pretty defensible position. If

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00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: you're at our playoff primer on Action Network, then you're

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00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: in good spot there with Pacific to beat the Atlantic

611
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: at plus two forty. So that to me is the

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Speaker 1: best value on the That is really interesting. M I

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Speaker 1: like that. I like both those bets. I like Raheem

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Speaker 1: Clippers plus five fifty, I like Pacific. Uh winning the

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00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: NBA title of plus two forty um really really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Can I just ask real quick, why why are people

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Speaker 1: sleeping on the number one seed in the East. I

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Speaker 1: don't get the Sixers lost to Kauai Kai had a

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Speaker 1: magical run and then last year was with the bubble,

620
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: like like no one's talking about that. He is if

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Speaker 1: they're really a truly contender. So I'm looking at a

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Speaker 1: Sixers team that has a bunch of superstars and they're

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Speaker 1: going against the next team that they seem like all

624
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: three guys can't stand this court at the same time,

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Speaker 1: and a Bucks team that they choked every year? Is

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Speaker 1: am I crazy? Thinking? There's just so much value on

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Speaker 1: the Sixers, who again they're the one seed right now

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Speaker 1: and people are not talking about them. Is if they

629
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: can win it all this year? So Sixers, I think

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Speaker 1: the big thing with them, I think plus three to

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Speaker 1: win the East, there's probably value one. There's a couple

632
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: of things you gotta keep in mind. Uh. I did

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Speaker 1: this whole thing on what to look for in playoff

634
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Speaker 1: teams are gonna succeed in the playoffs versus the regular season.

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00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: Two things. If we're gonna simple it down, it's this,

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Speaker 1: you want to have to be able to play defense

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Speaker 1: a lot of different ways, and you want to have

638
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: guys that can hit jump shots off the dribble because

639
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: of the way the teams will scheme you. The Sixers

640
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: are light on guys that can hit jump shots off

641
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: the dribble, like and Be the is a he's a

642
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Comba breaker like he will bend those matchups. But there

643
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: are solves for and Be the involved doubling. And then

644
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: you're relying on like Zacoby Simmons. So you're talking about

645
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: Seth Curry, no Kenny Green, no Shake Milton a little bit,

646
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: but that's a lot to ask for. And defensively, and

647
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: beat is one of the most impactful defensive players in

648
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: the league, but he has to drop and pick and

649
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: roll coverage. You can't play him at the level he's

650
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: just too big. And so that if you can't change

651
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: those those schemes, that gets you in real trouble versus

652
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: different teams, especially a team like Brooklyn. That's why I

653
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: think that there's reason to doubt them, and then you

654
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: get into like a potential matchup versus any of the

655
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: West teams, and that becomes even even trickier. But I

656
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: do think here's the big thing. You're still gonna be

657
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: able to get a good value on them at different stages,

658
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: Like you will still get them as a dog in

659
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: an Eastern Conference finals matchup, you will still get them

660
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: as a dog in a finals matchup, Like you'll be

661
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: able to get good prices on them the whole way.

662
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: Right now, I don't think it is where the best

663
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: value is actually gonna be found on them, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, Um, the problem. I'm a Sixers fan, so

665
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I would love them to, you know,

666
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: go to the NBA Its and win. But the biggest

667
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: issue with the Sixers is they don't have a guy

668
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: who can break down the defense and get his own

669
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: shot at a star level like Tobias is pretty inconsistent.

670
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: You need, uh, you know, Kyrie, Irvin, Kevin Durant, James

671
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: Harden Brooklyn happens to have three of those guys, Like

672
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: we don't have anybody. Um, Also, we're just third teeth

673
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: and three point shooting. So I think you know, some

674
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: of the other teams like the the Nets, in the

675
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: in the Bucks, they're gonna outscore us from three. And

676
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: then also I just I think it's one of the things.

677
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: One of the issues with MB is that he can't

678
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: stop a double team. So we we did the bed

679
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: cast the other day where you know, they're playing a

680
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: New New Orleans Pelicans team, and they zoned up and

681
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: they couldn't get the ball to n B. And when

682
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: they got the ball to n B, he can't pass

683
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: it around. They had all these turnovers and there's no Zion,

684
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: there's no Ingram. But that was a game. So I

685
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: think teams are gonna be watching that tape and they're

686
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna see that if you double NB, he's not gonna

687
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: be able to get the ball out and no one

688
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: else is gonna be able to create their own shot.

689
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: So that's the issue with the Sixers. But the one

690
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: thing I will say is that with the Sixers having

691
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Speaker 1: the number one seed, I like to bet on the

692
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: cumulative effect of series. So I give an example the

693
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen Warriors. They had to play the

694
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder and they went to seven games before

695
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: playing the cast, while the Calves beat up on a

696
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: Raptors team. So with the Bucks in the in the

697
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: in the Nets, they're playing in the second round of

698
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They have to play the Sixers after that,

699
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: while the Sixers are gonna have a weaker opponent. Now

700
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you some stats. I wrote this article

701
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: last year on how team perform after seven games series.

702
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: Teams that win games seven of a series in the

703
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: following series there thirty two and forty seven straight up

704
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: in game one of the following series that Teams that

705
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: win games seven are thirty three and forty six straight

706
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: up in the following series altogether. So if Nets play

707
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: to play the Books and that's the seven game series

708
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: and they have to go through the Sixers next, So

709
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I think that's where to value in the Sixers last.

710
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: Is that that cumulation effect that those are both incredible answers.

711
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: And what I love is that in the middle of it, Raheem,

712
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: talking about his favorite team, the Sixers, just took a

713
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: deep sigh when he talked about what their fatal flaw

714
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: could be. It sounded like Simon does when he's talking

715
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: about heartbreak. Matt Moore, Raheem Palmer, NBA experts extraordinariy for

716
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Action Network, host of the Action Network NBA podcast, which

717
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: is truly outstanding, and it's I gotta say. I've said

718
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: this to you guys before. It is not easy to

719
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: do a weekly podcast betting about the NBA, but you

720
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: guys take such a wide lens approach to the narrative

721
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 1: of the NBA, especially with the m v P voting,

722
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: and you guys are so smart about it. So well

723
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: done on that. Well done on the coverage, well done

724
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: on the bed cast, well done, and everything well done

725
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Thank you for joining, Thank you for

726
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: getting Simon through the initial stages of his heartache. Thanks guys,

727
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: hanging there, hanging there all right. Next up on the podcast,

728
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Speaker 1: we are talking NHL because guess what, it's not just

729
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: NBA playoffs, it's NHL playoffs. No one loves the NHL more.

730
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: No one is more connected to the NHL. No one

731
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: loves the Islanders more. I would promote his own Islanders podcast,

732
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: even though it's not part of the Action Network family,

733
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: because he's currently dressed in his Islanders hat and his

734
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: Islanders jersey. Shamanad High School's very own the Pride of

735
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: Long Island. Michael Libaff. I just don't know how you

736
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: guys do it with the NBA talk. I was just

737
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: in like the green room listening to that, and it's

738
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: just this this NBA culture of just like talking about

739
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over again instead of like

740
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: the real drama. It's like we have in the NHL

741
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: where we didn't even decide when the playoffs are going

742
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: to start until late last night. So I mean we

743
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: got to follow, get them to follow a real league,

744
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: one that has all their ducks in a row, like

745
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: like the NHL. This is drama. It's like the the

746
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: NBA slogan was like, we know drama. They don't know.

747
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you know the first thing about drama,

748
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: I really don't. I did not even know they had

749
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: settled on the date for the NHL playoffs, which is

750
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: why I have been vague about when the NFL playoffs

751
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: are starting. Yeah. Yeah, last night they made the big announcement.

752
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: They should have. They should have made like a TV special.

753
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: That's what the NBA would have done, right, Like, they

754
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: would have got an hour long special announced when the

755
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: playoffs start. And but yeah, they snuck it in there

756
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: after uh, actually right after the Islanders and Bruins played.

757
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm actually very relieved because my my adoring wife is

758
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: a Bruins fan, and U like, we're in a we're

759
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: in a really great stage of our relationship right now, um,

760
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: And so she, her and I don't have to battle

761
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs, which is a

762
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: huge relief for me, Um, especially like I said, like,

763
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: it's just the relationship couldn't be going better at the moment.

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Speaker 1: So I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled about all this. Why do

765
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: you think it's going so well? We were in a

766
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: good like synergy right now. We were just at a wedding,

767
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: like celebrating more people in love, a couple of old friends.

768
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: And now we're just you know, we're just riding that

769
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: wave and it won't get halted by a brutal first

770
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: round playoff series between the Islanders and Bruins. For the record,

771
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: a nobody loves love more than me. I've said it before,

772
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. Huge fan of love. Number two.

773
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Leeboff did not know that we spent the first twenty

774
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: minutes of this podcast talking about Simon wallowing in his

775
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: heartache and being on the lookout for love. So the

776
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: fact that you're bringing up the fact that you and

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00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: your wife, your beautiful wife who is a nurse and

778
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: gives of herself, especially during the time of COVID, are

779
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: in such a good place. It is the measure of

780
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: a man if he can find true love. Simon, I'm

781
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: learning a lot from there. This is the first time

782
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: I bet you, dude, you are the strangest person. I

783
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: love it. You are like cracking me up. Man. I

784
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: could watch you just do stand up and just rank.

785
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: You should just go up there and just talk about

786
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: whatever is going on and the Islanders or whatever. Man,

787
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: you should just start putting YouTube bigs up because I

788
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: watch it. I just love your vibe, your energy, everything

789
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: about it. Man. I mean the fact that we're just

790
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: sitting here talking hockey. I don't even care. I'll talk

791
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: whatever Leaveoff wants to talk. You want to talk for

792
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: Mere League, bro, I love hockey. Look from Mere League.

793
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: I am here to talk to this guy because your

794
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: personality is truly amazing and it's a gift to this

795
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: Action Network. Thank you, Simon. That that is something that

796
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: I wish you had told Chad and my other bosses

797
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 1: before the review cycler and whatnot. I would have would

798
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: have got a nice bump or something. You got promoted

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00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: and you got a bump. What are you fucking talking about?

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Speaker 1: Bigger one? Bigger one like it would have been on

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00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: the board or something swimming in cash right now Danish croner.

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00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: But I don't know what else to say. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to explore your personality and maybe we

804
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: can find you a person like like my beautiful Emily.

805
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god. The more you talk, the more I

806
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: fall in love. Man, you are your truly poetry emotion.

807
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: Let's talk hockey a right, Chad. We want to get

808
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: to know or should we be taking these big dogs?

809
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: Is this a crazy year for hockey with all this

810
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: interdivisional playing the playoffs? Like, are you thinking big dogs

811
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: this year? Like it's going to take the cup this season? Well,

812
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: it's funny you say that, actually, so usually, yeah, the

813
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: NHL is much more kind to underdogs than um other sports.

814
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: But this year I think it was like sixty two

815
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: point seven percent of favorites of one and that's the

816
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: first time it's been over sixty since two thousand thirteen

817
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: or so, which was another lockout, short and year with

818
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: a very uh divisionally focused schedule, so there might be

819
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: something there. But yeah, so it's been a true horror

820
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: for me betting the NHL this season. But I mean

821
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: it's even when even when I do well, it's still

822
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: a true horror because like there's just nothing. The worst

823
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: part of your day is definitely watching the game you

824
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: bet on in the NHL. I don't know if other

825
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: sports are like that. I mean, I guess the NFL,

826
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: because like that, that is just a terrible sport to watch.

827
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: You know, you're just sitting there and watching this two

828
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: minutes of action in a four hour window, um, while

829
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: you're hungover. I just I don't understand it at all.

830
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: But it's different kind of horror, right, Like this is

831
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: much more like deep existential horror, whereas the NFL is

832
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: much more just like just boring, boring horror. I guess. Um. So, yeah,

833
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: it's been it's been tough, But I mean the thing

834
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: is now these teams, the way the brackets are set

835
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: up by each team is gonna be playing their own

836
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: little mini tournament within their division. Uh, And there's very

837
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: few mismatches in the first round, and in a sport

838
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: like the NHL where upsets do happen with with quite regularity,

839
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: like in UH in the playoffs, like we saw the

840
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: Blue Jackets beat the Lightning and they swept the Lightning

841
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: two years ago. UH as a one as an eight

842
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: over the one and the Lightning were the best regular

843
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: season team since um the like UH nine, the basically

844
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: like original six expanded, I believe or something like that,

845
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: in like some something like thirty years, they were the

846
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: best the best regular season team. UM, I just don't

847
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: really see many. I don't think they're gonna be huge underdogs.

848
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: I think like the Predators will be UH and the

849
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: Blues will probably the two biggest underdogs on the on

850
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: the slate, I guess in the first round, I think

851
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: the Predators. That the series line is out for the

852
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: Predators and Hurricane series and Nashville's plus one ninety to

853
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: win the series. Well, I would assume St. Louis, whether

854
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: they play Vegas or Colorado, will be in kind of

855
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: a little a little shorter than that, but like in

856
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: that kind of range. So like you shouldn't expect any

857
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: huge numbers out there. UM. That being said, I do

858
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: think like if you if you look towards if you're

859
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: if you're just looking for an NHL team to root for,

860
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: um and you want to get like emotionally invested with

861
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: a future bet before the playoffs. There are some decent

862
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: prices out there. Uh And I'll start with like the

863
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: Winnipeg Jets, because I actually think the Islanders are a

864
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: decent price and I don't want to start off both

865
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: like my Homer bias. But the Jets are have been terrible,

866
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: which is this is this is how I want to

867
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: sell the Jets. They've been really really bad for the

868
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: last month. But they've been going through a lot of

869
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: injury issues and uh, they were they've been in the

870
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: playoffs basically like they haven't had much to play for

871
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: for the last month. Uh So a lot of I

872
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are gonna be backing off them,

873
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: and they'll be playing the Edmonton Hiler is most likely

874
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: in the first round, and Connor McDavid obviously is and

875
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: maybe the best NHL player we've ever seen, but he

876
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: the outside of him and Leon Drivet Sidle like that

877
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: team is is pretty much mediocre. So if Winnipeg does

878
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: catch Edmonton in that first round, they can upset them,

879
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: and they have the best goalie arguably the best goalie

880
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: in the league, maybe outside of Vasilevsky on on the Lightning.

881
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: So in the NHL, it's like all about getting a

882
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: hot goalie in the playoffs. And Connor Hella Buck who's

883
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: a goalie for the Jets, probably has the best chance

884
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: of of carrying a team, willing a team through a

885
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: series upset like that. I love that. This, this is

886
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: what's said about um, what's been going on in the

887
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: past fourteen months. I talked to Leeboff several times a week.

888
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: I talked to Simon several times a week. And I

889
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: can't believe Simon has never met Leeboff and gotten to

890
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: experience what you gathered from the first three minutes of Leeboff.

891
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Of Leeboff talking is what we have all known on

892
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Action Network for years. Uh. And so I'm glad you

893
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: wreck and as that it speaks your ability to uh

894
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: understand human nature. Simon, Um, we should talk a little

895
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: bit about leadoff your sort of best value bet for

896
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup. If it's all about goaltending, if it's

897
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: going to be about value, if hockey is about misery

898
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: and betting underdogs, is there a lengthier value play right now? Yeah? So,

899
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: like I said, like, it's either the Jets, but I

900
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: do I do think that the Islanders there twenty to

901
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: one right now. For most of the less like three months,

902
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: they've been in between like twelve to sixteen to one.

903
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: But like the Jets, they've they've had a little bit

904
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: of a dip right before the playoffs, and a lot

905
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: of that has to do with an injury to to

906
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: one of their best players and also the fact that

907
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: they've been been in the playoff picture pretty much like

908
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: cemented in a playoff spot for a long time now.

909
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: Because they were for the first like thirty eight games

910
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: of the season, they were one of the best five

911
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: on five teams in the league. Uh. I think they

912
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: were fourth in expected goals at five on five. They

913
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: were second in high danger chance share. So that just

914
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: shows you that, like they're the team that's dictating tempo

915
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: on the ice at five and five and they were

916
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: third in in five and five gold differential. Uh. And

917
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: then andrews Lee, their captain, got hurt and they had

918
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: to kind of patch things together. They made a couple

919
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: moves at the trade deadline, and their form just dipped

920
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. As a team, like they're very uh,

921
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: detail oriented team under Barry Trots, who's an incredible coach,

922
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: and he you know that it takes a little while

923
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: to learn their system, so when you when you integrate

924
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: a new player into it, it does, uh take a

925
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: little bit like things kind of get thrown off a bit.

926
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: And it seems like Kyle palm Mary, who was their

927
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: big trade deadline acquisition, is really starting to get his

928
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: feet under him in the system. And the other thing

929
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: is like they have one of the best defenses and

930
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: one of the most reliable goaltenders in the league and

931
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: Simeon varlam Off and they have a good back up

932
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: another Russian, Ilias Sirokin. So it's like this they are

933
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: built to be a good playoff team. But their dip

934
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: and the fact that they're playing the Penguins in the

935
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: first round of the Penguins UH took six of the

936
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: eight games they played in the in the regular season

937
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: against the Islanders, UH is kind I think that to

938
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: put people off, and and let's make that first of all,

939
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: that series price is going to be probably longer than

940
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: it should be. I think at anything like one forty

941
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: one thirty five, I would I would still bet the

942
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: Islanders and one is I think just a good price.

943
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: It's you're you're buying low on a team that has

944
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: shown it is one of the best four or five

945
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: teams in the league for a long time, and this

946
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: in the season, and they have a great coach and

947
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: like it said, great goaltending, good defense, and like those

948
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: of those uh six losses to the Penguins, two of

949
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: them came in overtime, which is a coin flip, so

950
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: that it could have easily been four, four and four

951
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: in that season series. So I just I think you're

952
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: you're getting in at a good time, which which obviously

953
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: we but we all know it's pretty important in betting U.

954
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like the Jets the Islanders, I think

955
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: you can maybe make a like the Lightning are eight

956
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: and a half to one. I think that's a little short,

957
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: but just because they have a tough first round. They

958
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: have to go through Florida, who has been a great surprise,

959
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: and then they have to go through Carolina, who's one

960
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: of the best teams in the league to get through,

961
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: but they get Nikita kutre Off back. He's he was,

962
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: he is one of the best players in the NHL.

963
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: You played all season. But they kind of just like

964
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: let him heal his hip in anticipation of them making

965
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: the playoffs and then he would join the crew. So

966
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: like they're in my mind they're still the best team

967
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: in the NHL, and you're getting them as like the

968
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: fifth favorite right now. So look, if you're if you

969
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: want to shop towards us quote unquote safer pick, it

970
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: would be the Lightning. If you want to take a

971
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: couple of shots, it would be between the Islanders and Jets.

972
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: True story. The last sporting event that I went to

973
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: and probably Leeboff you went to and many of us

974
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: at Action Network went to before everything shut down was

975
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: an Islanders game at Barclay's. Uh literally like the weak

976
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: things shut down. We were in a suite given to

977
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: us by our friends at the NHL. Thank you very much.

978
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: And um, I can't believe we didn't get COVID. Yeah,

979
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: that was that was unfortunate because it was at Barclay Center,

980
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: not Nasal Caliseum, which will be this is it for

981
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: the casseum before the Islanders moved because well, you know

982
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: we I think the call seems like the most romantic

983
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: building at sports. Uh still it's it's very small. Uh,

984
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: there's one concourse. It's uh, it's known. One of its

985
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: most iconic features, if you want to call it that,

986
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: is that it's bathroom lines are about seven people deep

987
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: no matter what, because there's like six bathrooms in the place.

988
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: For long island dead beats like myself, like it's it's

989
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful place. It's like what sports should look,

990
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: smell and sound like. But now they're moving to ubs

991
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: right next to Belmont uh in next season, So it

992
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: is it is a shame. Maybe you know, when they

993
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: when they make it to the Stanley Cup finals, maybe

994
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: we can get you guys in into the barn for

995
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: to experience that. We'll get Simon to drive up. You

996
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: guys can finally meet and maybe Nurse Emily can come

997
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: and she can bring someone that we think Simon can

998
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: fall in love with and it will be happiness made

999
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: in hockey heaven. Known as the Nasau Coliseum. I mean,

1000
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people who fell in

1001
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: love and maybe started a family at NASA Coliseum, Simon,

1002
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: So they wanna be wanna be all that rare. The

1003
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: parking lots are notorious for some some let's say rated

1004
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: our activities. I guess, well, wherever your mind wants to

1005
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: take you. That's exactly what I mean. You're the best

1006
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: love I could. I would you should do a YouTube

1007
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: video if you speaking eloquently about the coliseum, the fact

1008
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: that you love it so much. And again, I'm not

1009
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna say anything about it because how passionate it is

1010
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: to you. I'm heartbroken they're leaving there. I feel your

1011
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: pain through the screen. I'm sad they're leaving you. Have

1012
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: you ever been there? I have, but for a concert,

1013
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: not hockey. What concert did you go to? God? I mean,

1014
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe about to say this. Uh nickelback, Wow,

1015
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: I know I was like thirteen, Well Dimon wants to

1016
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: be a rock star. I can't imagine what that was like.

1017
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: But I always say, like when people say like, oh,

1018
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: I've never been there, I just like, well, have you

1019
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: ever been in like a basement for like a house

1020
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: party that's like sequestered in a basement where the ceiling

1021
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: is kind of falling in? And I'm like, yeah, I

1022
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: was like, well, then you've been there. Leave off the

1023
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: charming Mike, leave off running all of our hockey coverage

1024
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: at Action Network. The on the mend, Ready to fall

1025
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: in love looking for a soul mate, Simon Hunter. Thank

1026
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: you very much both of you for being on the

1027
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Speaker 1: favorite podcast from the Volume podcast Network. Go subscribe to

1028
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Speaker 1: our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com, backslash the Volume,

1029
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1030
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1031
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