1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb. My name is Julie Tuglas, 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: Julie Weird, long overdude for How Stuff Works. Like podcast 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: teams retreat, you know, like a like motivator where we 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: all go out and like living in the woods for 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: a weekend and we trust fall and oh trust Fall 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: is the best man. Yeah, roll around like earthworms getting 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: into each other's personal space. Yes, yeah. And then and 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: then of course, when the when the sun goes down, 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna spread out the hot coals, right, little fire walking, right, 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: we are going to face the the beast within. And 13 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna do a barefoot too, that's the thing, not 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: with shoes on. But we're gonna we're gonna lay out 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: the hot coals and we're gonna just march down that 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: that that that road of hot embers. And then on 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: the other end, we're gonna emerge victorious and full of 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: energy and life four third degree burns whatever comes first, right, yeah, 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: and then I will never fear the xerox machine again 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: or running out of coffee. I'll come out on the 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: other end, a better person. All of this will Yeah, 22 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: that's the plan, so that you know. Of course, we 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: were inspired today to talk about firewalking because of this retreat. Yeah, yeah, 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: the retreat that it hasn't actually been planned yet, but 25 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: I think we should. We should, we should. Yeah, nobody's 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: actually ever uttered a word about it. Yeah, but yeah, 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna have to think it happened yet. Um, I 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: could probably talk a little about about firewalking to prepare 29 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: us and also to prepare our listeners for when we 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: return from it. And you're either harribly burned and or motivated. Okay, yeah, 31 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: let's lay it up. Okay, So firewalking. Chances are you've 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: you've seen this somewhere. You've you either have friends who 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: have done it, either as part of their new age 34 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: hippie lifestyle or they're they're deeply rooted religious beliefs, or 35 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: just as part of you know, a weekend retreat, or 36 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: maybe they just saw it in the office. There is 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: an episode of the Office where the dunder Mifflin employees 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: all go on one of these and and of course 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: somebody getting burned. But but maybe for you, it's just 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: a Monday, right Monday. Maybe that's how you kick. Maybe 41 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: that's you're coffee in the morning, a little firewalking. It 42 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: takes a bit to to set it up. But but 43 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: people have been doing this for for ages. It's it's 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: really an old practice and it's and it's it's really 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: fascinating to think of it, not just in terms of 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: how we're doing it now. And certainly we're gonna get 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: into the science of firewalking, don't worry about but but 48 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: first we want to really sort of take you through 49 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: some of the historic h and cultural examples of firewalking 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: how and and sort of the mindset that these various 51 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: people from various cultures have when they first throw off 52 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: the flip flops and start off across the cold. Yeah, 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: and also wanted to mention that the earliest known reference 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: to it is in an Indian text from about So again, 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: this has been practiced for a long time, and we 56 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: have seen it in different religions like Hinduism as well 57 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: as Buddhist and Native American communities and Christian communities and 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: New Age communities and completely as as well explore to 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: uh non religious more deals as well. Yeah, because it 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: turns out to be an incredible metaphor that we can 61 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: really delve into on the spiritual side. Yeah, I mean, 62 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: at the heart of it, the basic idea is I 63 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: am a human, I'm made out of flesh. My flesh 64 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: is susceptible to pain. Here is fire and like one 65 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: of the earliest lessons humans learned was fire bad, right 66 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: or fire really good? But fireplus bare feet probably bad. Um. 67 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: But we do have a very primal relationship to fire, right. Yeah, 68 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: fires the power we can make food edible, we can 69 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: we can create light against the terrors of the darkness 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: and uh and and shadow puppets. Yeah, there's there's literally 71 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: there's there's almost no end to what we can do 72 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: with fire. Uh. So early on, you know, we get 73 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: this idea of a fire as a test. Can we 74 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: withstand fire? And if we can, then it says something 75 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: about our bodies, it says something about our spirit. Um. Uh. 76 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: There's you know there you look in the Bible, the 77 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: Old Testament, there's the you know, the story of of 78 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: the three the three brothers who are thrown into the 79 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: fiery furnace Shadrack mishak in a bindigo uh, Daniel three uh. 80 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: And then in recent times you have the story of 81 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: g Gordon Lydia on trial and holding the cigarette lighter 82 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: underneath his palm. Um. You know, the fire as a 83 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: test for the flesh and for the spirit. Uh. It's 84 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty pretty simple but a but 85 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: a very resonant idea. So Hinduism, like you said, this 86 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: is where we see the oldest examples of it and 87 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: uh and to this day in Southern India as well 88 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: as places like um, Singapore, Malaysia, South Africa, any countries 89 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: with a large South Indian population. Uh, there is a 90 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: festival every year called the Smithy Festival. And this is uh, 91 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: this is is pretty neat the roots of this uh 92 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: lie in the the Mahabarata, the Hindu epic, which we've 93 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: occasionally has come up on this this podcast. UM refresher 94 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: on that story. You have the five Pandava brothers uh. 95 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: And they are all married to the same woman. Uh. 96 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: And her name is Drayo Patti and Um they end 97 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: up losing her in a game of chance to their cousins, 98 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: the Kava brothers okay and p versus the Kara. Yeah, 99 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: they're there are five Pandava and there are like one 100 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: hundred of the Carava brothers. And and this is the 101 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: big war of the Mahabarata. These uh, these two opposing 102 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: forces their kin and they have to do battle with 103 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: one another, and all all sorts of various adventures and 104 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: and skirmishes are a part of the tale. But in 105 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: this one a particular event. Uh, like you say, the 106 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: five the five brothers, they have this this one wife 107 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: and her name is draw your Potty and uh. And 108 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: after draw your Potty has has been m kidnapped or 109 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: or obtained for her by the way. Yeah, Well, first 110 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: of all, they decide they're gonna embarrass her by making 111 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: her strip before the court and uh. And and so 112 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: they go to poor clothes off and she prays to Krishna, 113 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: and Krishna gives her limitless clothes. So she's like, you know, 114 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: it's like a scarf out of out of a magician's pocket. Yeah, 115 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: and uh and then she but then she gets really serious. 116 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: She plugged. First, she pledges to prove her chastity by 117 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: walking across burning coals, and she does that and she 118 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: emerges unscathed. And then she also swears that she won't 119 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: like redo her hair until she is washed it in 120 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: the blood of her enemies. So it's there's a lot 121 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: of that too in the Mahabara, like, especially with the 122 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: female characters making like really uh passionate proclamations about revenge. 123 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: Nobody says that anymore. Yeah, I am I gonna do 124 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: my hair anymore until I've washed it in the blood 125 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: of my enemies. You just don't hear that in salons 126 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: that much. Yeah. For for English speaking audiences, which of 127 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: course is our audience that we have Indian listeners and 128 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: as well, but if you're English speaker, highly recommend Peter 129 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: Brooks Mahabar to To To. It's a it's a stage adaptation, 130 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: British stage adaptation that they also did a film version 131 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: of evidence. Really long and really cool. But anyway, I 132 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: digress um. So they have this festival every year and 133 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: it's a it's a celebration uh and and kind of 134 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: a reenactment of this particular moment uh and Uh what 135 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: you do as you you walk barefoot across this length 136 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: of coals and then you step through a second pit 137 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: that's filled with milk and if you emerge unscathed, and 138 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: it's a it's a you're proving your spiritual and physical purity, okay, 139 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: and the milk is there to soothe any burns. Right, 140 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: this is what milk is good for. Yeah, and then uh, 141 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: there are various other uh firewalking festivals that reach back 142 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: through time. This is not quite firewalking, but it does 143 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: tie in. Um. If you go back to and look 144 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: at ancient Anglo Saxon and Teutonic practices of ordeals, you 145 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: see some of this now, the ordeals. Um, this was 146 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: kind of this is kind of a barbaric um way 147 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: of of of dealing with disputes and uh and charges 148 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: uh of of wrongdoing in a society. The idea was, 149 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: all right, you may or may not have murdered this guy, 150 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: You may or may not be a witch. You know, 151 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: whatever the dispute is. We all the ideas. We all 152 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: believe in a very a powerful and very personally invested God. 153 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: So let's let him decide, let's let him weigh in. 154 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: He doesn't have anything better to do. So so where 155 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: was the test? Well, there there were various ordeals that 156 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: the most famous, of course, would be the trial, the 157 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: ordeal of combat. And this would be like, all right, well, 158 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: you two guys fight, and surely God will make sure 159 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: that the right one of you wins and the other 160 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: guy dies Uh, there were There was an ordeal of water, 161 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: which which would throw a witch into some cold water 162 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: and see what happened. You know, if she if she floats, 163 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: she's good. If she sinks, no, it's the other way around. 164 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: If she if she floats, then then she's a witch. 165 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: If she thinks she's good to go right. Um. Then 166 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: there were number of other ones who were that were 167 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: even stranger, Like there's the ordeal of the of the Buyer, 168 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: in which a suspected murder was made to touch the 169 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: corpse and if blood flowed out of the corpse, he's guilty. 170 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: There's there were a couple of choking ordeals, which sounds 171 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: kind of cruel when I say it that way, but 172 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: it would come down to, here's a piece of of 173 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: blessed um bread. Here's the holy communion wafer. Uh take this, 174 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: eat it. And by the way, if you're guilty, this 175 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: is gonn You're gonna choke on it. And because and 176 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: and again that's like here, take this is holy if 177 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: you're if you're guilty, God's gonna make sure it gets 178 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: lodged in there and chokes you up. Then there's the 179 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: ordeal of the Cross, which also sounds like it's gonna 180 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: be really brutal and grim. But it involves the accuser 181 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: and the accused standing before a crucifix. First person to 182 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: move is guilty. So so, but anyway that the then 183 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: there's also to get to the point here the ordeal 184 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: of fire, and the ordeal of fire was generally for 185 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: persons of high rank. And some of these would involve 186 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: carrying a red hot iron in your hand. Others would 187 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: involve walking barefoot uh and or blindfolded over red hot 188 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: plow shares. And if there are no wounds after three days, 189 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: you're innocent, okay. And then uh. For for another more 190 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: uplifting example of of Christian use of firewalking, you have 191 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: to go to Greece. There is a Christian firewalking ritual 192 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: performed in northern Greece. Now this is present day, this 193 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: is present day, and this still goes on. If you're 194 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: if you're of Greek descent, you may have you know, 195 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: this may be part of your heritage. Uh and certainly 196 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: if you're traveling to Greece you may be able to 197 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: witness this. Uh. And it's a festival called Anniston Area 198 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: and it's uh it has to do with St. Constantine 199 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: and The idea here is this is that St. Constantine 200 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: protects the firewalkers from him being burned because of their 201 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: faith and devotion to him and to God. That's right, 202 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: that's that's their faith that allows him to do what 203 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: seems like the impossible, which seems like a miracle to 204 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: walk across fire right. Um, and uh, Lauren dan Forth 205 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: isn't an anthropologist at Bates College in Lewistown or Lewiston, Maine, 206 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: and he actually has studied this quite a bit. Um. 207 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: We should also talk about another doesn't day uh practice 208 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: of this and this is by Tony Robbins. And some 209 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: of you may even remember that this was in the 210 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: news this summer. Uh, because Tony Robbins also uses fire 211 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:16,239 Speaker 1: walking as an experiential metaphor for creating breakthroughs and overcoming 212 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: our fears. Now, keep in mind, though, that Tony Robbins 213 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: isn't saying that this is a religious experience. Again, He's 214 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: just using it as a metaphor for trying to figure 215 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: out whatever it is in your life that you need 216 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: to vanquish. And um, but he I mean, but it's 217 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: it's worth known than he is capturing the same psychology 218 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: and the same idea. He's still it's just not necessarily 219 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: wrapped in religious wrapping paper, right, and he's been doing 220 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: it for three decades, but it just kind of got 221 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: a lot of notice again this summer because um there 222 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: were six thousand participants in this this work. The lanes 223 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: they had twelve twol lanes and UM lanes fifty six 224 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: lanes covering Happy Earth twelve lane to actually have hot 225 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: coals manasuring ten feet long by two and a half 226 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: feet wide, and this rusted on grass and they don't 227 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: know how many people actually went through, but about two 228 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: dozen people actually sustained second and third degree injuries. They 229 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: were burned. Now we'll talk a little bit more about 230 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: the actual um uh fire itself, but it is thought 231 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: that perhaps there were hot spots there and that some 232 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: people were uh doing it wrong. Yeah, I'm just said 233 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: that in air quotes, doing it wrong, And we'll talk 234 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: a little bit more about that, but I mean, it 235 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: is worth worth pointing out though that it was just 236 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: a couple of dozen out of thousands, which well, yeah, 237 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: we don't we don't have to have an exact number 238 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: of how many people actually participated in the firewalking, but yeah, 239 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: but that it was thousands, and certainly if you get 240 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: thousands of football players, not football players, thousands of football 241 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: fans in one place at one time, several of them 242 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: are going to catch on fire. I just had this 243 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: vision of them training and instead of the tires that 244 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: they go through, you know, maybe it's tires on on 245 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: top of these these little lanes of fire. Well, there's 246 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: a lot of motivation and um in team sports and 247 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: in any kind of sporting endeavor. So I mean, I 248 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: could see I could see a football team going through 249 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: some some firewalking and chanting. Right, And this is what 250 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: we're talking about psychology here. That's right, because it's not 251 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: just like, all right, hey you, we think you might 252 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: be guilty. Um, so I'm gonna let God decide. March 253 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: across these hot plowshares. It's not like, oh I wonder 254 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: if I'm pure of spirit and heart, let me walk 255 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: across these coals, or or or oh okay, Tony Robin 256 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: might have a point. I'm gonna get my feet into 257 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: some fire here. Now, you you've gotta there's a lot 258 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: of psyching yourself out. There's preparing yourself mentally for this. 259 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: Be that in the form of prayer, Be that in 260 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: the form of listening to Tony Robbins or or what 261 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: have you. But but there's definitely a period of preparation. 262 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: This is kind of interesting. Um. This is from an 263 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: article that anthropologist Jane Sansum wrote about about that since 264 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: aia UM festival in northern Greece. Um she pointed out 265 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: that back in the nineteen seventies there was a neurolog 266 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: just by the name of Christos Xenakis and that he 267 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: was from the Max Plant Institute in Germany. And he, uh, 268 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: he studied what was going He was very interesting what 269 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: was going on in the minds of the firewalkers, all right, 270 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: so uh they you know, he ended up like bringing 271 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: out the e c g s, you know, looking at 272 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: what's going on with mental activity and and he found 273 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: the found that it was interesting that they were that 274 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: they would they would enter this this trance right before 275 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: they would engage in it. And he found that they're 276 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: e c g s were normal during were normal when 277 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: they were walking, but during the preparation period they had 278 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: low voltage. That was characteristic, he said, of a of 279 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: a dreamlike state. Okay, so there's a little bit of 280 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: electricity going on as opposed to a lot. Yeah, So, 281 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean his findings were that, again, neural activity was 282 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: normal when they were actually walking across the holes, but 283 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: in that period beforehand, that's where they were, they were 284 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: entering this the steep state of concentration. Well, and again, 285 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: most firewalking is done with a group, and if you've 286 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: seen firewalking demonstrations before, there's a lot of chanting going on. 287 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before in terms of group psychology, 288 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: that it can be really affected this chanting because what 289 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: happens is that if everybody's chanting the same thing over 290 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: and over again, you've got this the same neurons firing 291 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: at the same time when everybody's sinking up on a 292 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: neural level. Yeah, everybody's sinking up. And this sometimes leads 293 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: to those feelings of bephor you that you see in 294 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: religious experiences or even a concert. You know, music, a concert. 295 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: You got to go to a church and you see 296 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people singing together. You go to 297 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: a temple and you see a bunch of people chanting together. 298 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: It's it's the same thing. It's it's not as much 299 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: about I mean, I guess on on one level, it's 300 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: about like lifting your praise to a deity or what 301 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: have you. But on another level, it's about a community 302 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: that it shares something right more or less, sinking their 303 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: minds together, just like one big vulcan mind. Now. Well, 304 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: and everybody's priming themselves for the same thing, right, for 305 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: the same end, which is to harness their personal power. Um. 306 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes it is through a deity, or sometimes it's just 307 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: through you know, tapping into this personal power. Tolly Berkin, 308 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring him up. He's he is the 309 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: founder of the Firewalking Institute of Research and Education and 310 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: Twain Heart, California. He's been doing this since the nineteen 311 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: eighties as a self improvement thing. UM. He uses fireworking 312 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: in his seminars and UM. His idea is that if 313 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: you vanquished your fears, you doing impossible, and then anything 314 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: is possible. Right, you can ask for that race because 315 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: you have walked through fire. So he claims that in 316 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: order to firewalk successfully, you must first convince yourself so 317 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: that your body, and he says this in a video 318 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: for Skeptic Magazine becomes um. Well, actually it's in a 319 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: different physiological state that protects you from being burned. And 320 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: this is a quote he says, when you are in 321 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: the right state of mind, the blood flows through the 322 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: soles of your feet and takes the temperature away from 323 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: your tissue, and that's why you're not burned. Okay, So 324 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: that seems um and not necessarily rooted in science. It's 325 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: an interesting explanation. Yeah, well, yeah, there are there are 326 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: a number of less science two outright non science explanations 327 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: for what's going on. I ran across one from actually 328 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: from a Greek psychiatrist by the name of Vittoria Manganus 329 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: who and who was apparently he looked into the whole 330 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: Greek fire walking thing as well, but he was using 331 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: stuff like like Carolan photography and and and making the 332 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: argument that you know, the oh, well, the the auras 333 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: of the person a person's are changes in this superiod 334 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: prior to the fire walking, and that that energy are 335 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: protects you. Which granted, that's that's that's that's all well 336 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: and good, but it it it largely exists outside of 337 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: a real scientific understanding of what's going on, but it 338 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: would bolster you cyclically, right, uh, And certainly, I mean 339 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: it comes down to the idea of doing something the impossible, 340 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: whether or not that is impossible. I'm clearly it's possible. 341 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: People do it, but you look at it like something 342 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: in your mind sets that's those are hot coals. I 343 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: should not walk on that bare foot, or it's kind 344 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: of like a I mean, a simpler example would be 345 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: the bed of nails. Like, like we know that a 346 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: bed of nails. You can lay on a bed of nails. 347 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: You can't lay on a bed of one nail, but 348 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: if there's a whole bed of them, you can lay 349 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: down and they won't pierce your skin. But still there's 350 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: something about the nails that if you if you don't 351 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: know what's up, you might think, oh, that's steadily to slay. 352 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: That is impossible, while the the actual laying on a 353 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: bed of nails is very possible and very doable, just 354 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: as firewalking is. And before we talk about why that 355 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: is and get into the mechanics of of what happens 356 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: um with actual fire and your feet touching it, let's 357 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: talk about preparing this bed of fire. Yes, um, usually 358 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: it's wood or volcanic rock. There's a rain into these 359 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: ten ft by two foot lanes. Yeah, Now it's worth 360 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: that you do find firewalking rituals that involve hot stones. 361 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: I can believe that in the Fiji Islands they do 362 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: that variation of it, and certainly Christian ordeals involved hot 363 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: plow shares, But Tony Robbins is probably not going to 364 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: pull those out at a at a at an end event. No, no, no. 365 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: But for the most part, yeah, it's it's burning wood 366 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: and stuff down into coal yea, and the fires lit. 367 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: And then when it does burn down into the embers, 368 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: the ashes are scattered. And this is really important because 369 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: now you have ash that's being scattered over these these coals, 370 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: these hot coals, um. And you will actually see sometimes 371 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: that when they spread the fire and um, they sort 372 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: of arrange it accordingly that the flames will be at 373 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: the perimeter. So if you're at a certain sight line, 374 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: it looks like someone is literally walking through fire, when 375 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: in fact it's just at the edges and there's the 376 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: coals in the middle part flanked by fire, flanked by fire. Yeah, 377 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: but if you just happen to be a casual observer 378 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: walking body might say, wow, they're actually walking through fire. 379 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: But it does create that illusion, and the fire itself, 380 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: the coals are not really ready until they reach the 381 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: temperature or they cool down to between one thousand and 382 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: two thousand degrees fahrenheit. So it's mostly what I've seen 383 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: in the research is that it's more on the one 384 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: thousand end rather than the two thousand end. And firewalking 385 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: is done at night so that you see the glow 386 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: of embers right now. And again, this doesn't apply to 387 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: every instance of firewalking. Some rituals are done in the daylight. 388 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: But for but for the most part, you're gonna find 389 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: firewalking done at night when it looks the prettiest. I mean, 390 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: because that's partly it's about looking at it and it's 391 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: looking intimidating, and it's gonna look more intimidating at night, 392 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: and it's gonna and it's gonna be the pure more 393 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: magical at night. You know, you don't wanna have a 394 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: camp fire in the middle of day, and nobody wants 395 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: to sit around and poke sticks around in that. Yeah, 396 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing cathartic about that, right. All right, let's take 397 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: a quick break and when we get back, we'll talk 398 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: about the actual mechanics of the fire itself. All right, 399 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: we're back talking about firewalking and specifically what's going on 400 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: in the fire itself. That's right, All right, let's talk 401 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: about this fire. We have scattered the ashes, it's pretty 402 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: much ready. Um. But the reason why we can walk 403 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: through this bed of coals is a couple of different 404 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: things going on here. One is heat transference, and there 405 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: are three ways that heat can get transmitted conduction, convection, 406 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: and radiation. And conduction is the transfer of heat from 407 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: one substance to another via a direct contact. All right, 408 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: So that's like I if I stick my tongue to 409 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: the cigarette lighter in an automobile, that is direct contact. 410 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: My sister did that, By the way, I didn't say 411 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: that is a very odd example. But yes, my, my, 412 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: my younger sister. She she she picked that up, stuck 413 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: her tongue to it when she was very little. She 414 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: thought it was candy apparently, and she had a round burn. 415 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: My god, I don't know that I can recover from that. 416 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: Does she still have the burn marks? No? No, I 417 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: guess as a testament to her spiritual purity. Ah, there 418 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: you go, that's all she was doing, okay. Um. In convection, 419 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: heat is transferred through air or fluid circulation. If you've 420 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: got a convection of an for instance, yes, yes, uh. 421 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: And radiation is transmitted as if spreading out in straight 422 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: lines from a central source. So think of the sun 423 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: or a heat lamp, but or ultra violet. So I 424 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: guess yeah, I was gonna say in some song, is 425 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: too because you've got the heat spirst hole hanging out 426 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: there in one corner. Um. But what we're talking about 427 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: here when we're talking about coals is heat transference from conduction. 428 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: And uh, the thing about these coals is that they 429 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: have really poor heat conduction. And the reason for that 430 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: is because it is a very lightweight structure of these 431 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: coals is a carbon structure, and it takes a relatively 432 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: long time for heat to transfer from the glowing coal 433 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: to your skin. And plus they're covered in ash, which 434 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: which is a very good insulator, right right, So the 435 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: ash makes makes certain that it's you know, you've got 436 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: some installation there and um, and then you've got on 437 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: top of that a short time span that your feet 438 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: are actually making contact, all right. A lot of people 439 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: will bring up this oven example when talking about that 440 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: the bread in the oven. Well, I was actually actually 441 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: made up black being brownies last night, and I was 442 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: thinking about this because it's a three and fifty degree 443 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 1: oven and as soon as they came out, I supposed 444 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: to look them cool for a half hour. Of course 445 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: I dug in, and you're not. Actually, when I dug in, 446 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: it's not like I had three fifty degrees of hotness 447 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: in my mouth. I mean it was Okay, I burned 448 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: my tongue, just it's mission, let's mention. But it didn't 449 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: melt away. And so that's the whole point. If I 450 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: were to touch the pan, which is metal and it 451 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: conducts really well, then I would get burned, right um. 452 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: But if you touch you know, the bread or the brownie, 453 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: then you're not going to burn because it's not going 454 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: to contain that heat. It's not going to conduct that 455 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: amount of heat. And in the like I said that 456 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: the page which you're walking in some cases, uh, anthropologists 457 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: even describe it as advance. Certainly, uh, the resource I 458 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, she she described the Greek firewalking is is 459 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: really almost kind of advance. Where whereas some of the 460 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: more of the some of the videos, certainly the secular 461 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: stuff you see, but also even the Hindu events. I 462 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: was looking at some some videos of that, and that 463 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: appears to be more of just a risk walking. You 464 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: don't stop halfway through and have a conversation with somebody. Um, 465 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't crawl, you don't do the worm. 466 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: You just walk across at a brisk rate. So your feet, 467 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: your feet are again are coming into contact very briefly 468 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: with that that hot surface. Yeah. Again, we've got lousy conduction. 469 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: We've got installation, and we have a very short time 470 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: period in which the skin which is also allows of 471 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: conductor and we'll talk about that. Um, will will help 472 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: so that that heat isn't transferred. Um. There, I wanted 473 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: to uh point out that David Wiley or Willie excuse me, 474 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: as a physics instructor and he's an expert on the 475 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: science of firewalking, and he partnered with Norwegian physicist Kitchen 476 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: my apologies to any Norwegian listeners, of the University of 477 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: Oslo to study the physics behind firewalking. And they developed 478 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: a computer model of a foot while a person firewalked, 479 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 1: and then compared it to infrared imagery taken while volunteers 480 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: and Seattle firewalked, and those images showed that the foot 481 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: does indeed remain cool when the stunt is done correctly. 482 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: So we have confirmation of this in a couple of 483 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: different ways, and it's important you mentioned when the stun 484 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: is done correctly. So there are any number of things 485 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: that could could be wrong with the fireside of the preparation, 486 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: which is a reason no one listening to this podcast 487 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: should become inspired and set up their own firewalking this weekend. 488 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: If you if you choose to do do a little 489 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: firewalking in your free time, more power to you. But 490 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: find somebody who knows what they're doing. Do you do 491 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: your research. It's kind of like we're talking about this yesterday. 492 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: It's like zip lining. Um, I've only ziplined once. I 493 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: made sure that when I did it, I went with 494 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: the top guys uh in in in the place I 495 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: was visiting in in Costa Rica. Don't go for the 496 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: discount zip line. Don't go for the discount firewalking. No, Now, 497 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: you want to make sure that it's prepared because because 498 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: they could what if they they're not spreading the coals properly? 499 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: What you have? You know, what what if they are 500 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: using again plowshares or or stones instead of coal. I 501 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: mean there's a there's a certain amount of preparation that 502 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: needs to go into it, and then there's amount a 503 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: certain amount of instruction that needs to be given. You 504 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: know that you need to get people in the right 505 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: mind set. You've got to make sure that they're marching 506 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: briskly across the coals. And if you're doing a line, 507 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: you don't want that line to suddenly stop. To make 508 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: sure there's like an appropriate spacing between the individuals totally. 509 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: Burke in the self improvement grew who uses and he 510 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: does talk about it with with the groups that he's 511 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: doing his workshops. If he talks about how to go 512 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: through so you know, obviously he talks about it as 513 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: a testament of one's willpower and uh and all that, 514 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: but he does kind of say, and by the way, 515 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: this is how you should move through um. But let's 516 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: talk about what's going on with the body too. We did. 517 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: We spoke about the feet is poor conductors And this 518 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: is from Slate magazine author LV Anderson. He says the 519 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: reason for this is that when flesh comes into contact 520 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: with the coal, the flesh cools down the outer surface 521 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: of the coal faster than heat can move from below 522 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: the surface of the coal. And see here the flesh. 523 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: That's one reason is dispersing the heat. The second is 524 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: the latent frost effect. And yeah, this is a pretty cool, 525 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: uh little bit of science here. This involves the idea 526 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: that your feet are actually protected from burning by sweat 527 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: droplets that form and act as a barrier around your foot. Yeah, 528 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: so it's taking away the heat. So shock went up 529 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: to sweat there and then just bottom line too. If 530 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: you look at the bottom of your foot, it's it's 531 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: kind of tough down there. I mean these we've evolved 532 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: to walk on these things, even though we were really 533 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: big into encasing them in various shoes and socks. Now, uh, 534 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: these are things were made to walk on, and they're 535 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: made to walk on occasionally uncomfortable surfaces. Yeah, I'll have 536 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: to say that my calluses and everything else on, but 537 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of I've worked very hard to build 538 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 1: those up. Yeah. Like soon as you look down there, 539 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: it's like six s thumb tacks in there. Like how 540 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: they get in there? When did I do that? I 541 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: don't know, right, And that's what you want for a 542 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: good firewalking. Um, so if you're going to do this yourself. Uh, 543 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: and again I say you, I'm looking at you, Robert, 544 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: like I'm not working to you guys out there, Robert lamb. 545 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: If you were going to do it, you would want 546 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: to step lightly, and that seems like kind of a 547 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: duugh thing. But the thing is that when people are crossing, 548 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: they try to get across as quickly as possible. And 549 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: that's not a good idea because if you start to run, 550 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna put a lot more pressure on your 551 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: foot and your flesh is going to come into more 552 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: contact with that cold for a longer amount of time. Yeah, 553 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: Like I was thinking about this in terms of walking 554 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: across the hot beach uh the other day, because I 555 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: because when you're walking across the loose sand it's really hot, 556 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: there's a it's hard to make short contact with the 557 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: with the sand in some cases because your feet are 558 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: sliding and sinking and and all that. And I wonder 559 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: if that's why that can often be this kind of 560 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: painful ordeal to get to the actual wet sand. Well, 561 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it to you in terms of 562 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,719 Speaker 1: like ballet physics, because if if you've ever watched your 563 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: performance or know anything about ballet, you know that if 564 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: you're going to pick someone up or be picked up, 565 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: what you want to do is to tense every single 566 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: muscle in your body because it makes you actually lighter 567 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: as opposed to just slumping. So it's a little bit 568 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: of the same sort of mind body connection that if 569 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: you're going to cross those hot coals, you're going to 570 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: step lightly and you're not going to want to run. 571 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: You're going to try to compose yourself to the point 572 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: where you kind of feel like as though you are 573 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: gliding across um and you're not just kind of like 574 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: flapping across, which would result in burns. Yeah, So on 575 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: that end, there's definitely a number of things that can 576 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: go wrong in your actual approach to walking across the 577 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: hot coals. If you're not prepped properly, or if you 578 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: have a elapse in judgment or just and I'll freak 579 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: out halfway through, then things could get a little hot. 580 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: You know what. I'm curious that there's no sort of 581 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: like firewalking festival. Based on David Lynch's film, Oh yeah, yeah, 582 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: Firewalk with Me. We we took the title for this 583 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: episode though the movie is fire Walk with Me, right, like, hey, 584 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: fire walk with Me. Well, I don't know that. I 585 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: don't know that's actually has a comma in the title, 586 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: but that is the intention, Like fire Hey, come and 587 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: walk with me. Oh that's not quite that friendly. Where 588 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: our title is Firewalk with Me. You could take it 589 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: either way, either way, but their fire walking in that movie. 590 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: There is no fire walking in that movie. That that's 591 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: actually taken from the beginning of the film, in which 592 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: they say, through the darkness a future past, the magician 593 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: longs to see one chance. It's out between two worlds. 594 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: Fire Walk with me. Well, that's pretty good. I like that. Yeah, yeah, 595 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: and it ties in nicely with it with the various 596 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: models of firewalking that we've discussed here, from the the 597 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: barbaric uh and uh and brutal to the New age 598 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: and enlightened. Yeah, so there you go. Um, I just 599 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: want to mention that, I mean, any festival entrepreneurs out there, 600 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: you could have a firewalking festival in the David Lynch tradition. 601 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: All right, well, uh, fire walking aside. Let's call over 602 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: the robot and let's listen to some listener mail. All right, 603 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: here a couple of quick emails. Well, one's a Facebook 604 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: uh and the other there's an email that we see 605 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: from listeners, both related to our episode on horror and 606 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: why we really like to be frightened by things which 607 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: is which is an ever ever engaging topic, especially if 608 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: we're moving into October here and uh in Halloween season 609 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: for so Jed right right soon, Jed says. A fan 610 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: wrote to say that you might like horror as entertainment 611 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: because you might secretly be a psychopath and just not 612 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: know it. It's an interesting topic to bring up. It 613 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: brings up the idea of existential suggestibility. If I deconstruct, 614 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: is that why I would like horror as entertainment? Maybe? Uh, 615 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: but I disagree. I see horror as entertainment as being 616 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: fear in a controlled and safe environment. I see it 617 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: as being able to confront issues that are very difficult 618 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: to think about and explore them in a way that 619 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: doesn't require actual danger. A roller coaster is very similar. 620 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: We trick our bodies into thinking that we're in danger, 621 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: but we really are not. We are brought up very 622 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: high in the air and then thrown down to the ground, 623 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: only we'd to be rescued at the last moment. Well, 624 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: there you go. That's that's interesting and actually ties in 625 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: with the firewalking the idea of I'm in danger but 626 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: not really except maybe a little more really. In the 627 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: case of the firewalking but still, like we said, you're 628 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: here something that on one level you may think is impossible, 629 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: but it is very possible. We've talked about that too, 630 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: how you're brain is processing that because you've got a dronline, 631 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: You've got the flight or fight going on in your brain, 632 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: but then you have the seat of reason in your 633 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: brain saying, ah, this is just a this isn't a 634 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: real threat. And then the resulting um feeling is one 635 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: of like, okay, this is I'm okay, and all of 636 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: us the cocktail of hormones and chemicals in your body 637 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: are surging, so you do get that kind of high. 638 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: And we also heard from a listener bout their news 639 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: and are writing it. On the same episode, she says, hey, 640 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: brains written by which she means you and me. Um. 641 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: She says, you guys did an episode on horror, but 642 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: you've focused on people who enjoy horror. I was hoping 643 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: you'd touch a little more on the flip side of 644 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: the coin. I've always found it a little more interesting 645 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: to think about why a large pot portion of the 646 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: population is against all rational thought, totally entirely incapable of 647 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: watching horror movies without real deep fear It's one thing 648 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: to playfully frighten oneself, but what about those of us 649 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: who whose fear cannot be managed and who are not 650 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: able to watch horror movies? Thoughts a long time list 651 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: or keep up the great work. My brain likes to 652 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: follow your intellectual adventures and you are a gift to 653 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: curiously minded English speakers everywhere. Thank you, well, thanks for 654 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: the compliment. That's interesting, but it's sort of a hypersensitivity. 655 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: And um, so you know, we've talked about this in 656 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: terms uh, you know, different conditions, but that would be 657 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: interesting to look a little bit more into. Well, you 658 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: certainly have people out there who just taking all every 659 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: type of horror, you know, just pure horror junkies who 660 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: who love it all. I'm sure, but but I think 661 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: that for a lot of a lot of people that 662 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: didn't enjoy harror. I mean, there's there are certain films 663 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna dig in. There's certain types of films you're 664 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: gonna dig Like, Like from my own part, I tend 665 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: to like things with monsters or ghosts or something, uh, 666 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: something a little out of the ordinary. Um, I'm I'm 667 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: really not into films that feature things like like home 668 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: invasion or or torture as their primary substance, you know, 669 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: because those are too close to reality. I want something 670 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: that's that is in an escape that has an engage 671 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: my imagination. And I think that's that's maybe a huge 672 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: part of it from me. It's it's it's engaging things 673 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: that frighten me, but it's also engaging things that really 674 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: inspire me. Um. But but then to go back to 675 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: what Jed said about about taking fear and looking at 676 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: any control environment. One thing I try and think up too, 677 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: when like if I if I see like a trailer 678 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: for a horror movie that I and I'm like, I 679 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: really don't like that. I do try and I'm like, 680 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm not going to see that. But but then I 681 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: try and process, well, what about this idea or this 682 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: story is disturbing me. I don't really have a firm 683 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: answer other than you know, so obviously if you've, if you've, 684 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: if you have real life experiences that line up with 685 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: something in a horror movie, you're probably not going to 686 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: be that into that horror movie. For starters. Well, I 687 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: do like this idea that of hypersensitivity, and is there 688 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: is you know, just like some people have a gene 689 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: for um for exploration, right, right, we've seen this before. 690 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: People um who the neophiles, right, they want new experiences. 691 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: Are there some people who have know sort of maybe 692 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: even genetic predisposition to be really affected by this or 693 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: is it as a matter of even just taking in 694 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: different stimuli, like is it a little bit more intense 695 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 1: for some people? In other words, some of the ways 696 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: that we filter things, There are ways the ways that 697 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: our brain filters information, some people filtering it in a 698 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: way that it's just coming in harder and faster. Yeah, 699 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean because yeah, because because when lever, 700 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna have people they're just totally into the experience. 701 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: They're like, show me something shocking, disgusting, what have you 702 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: just push from which my buttons pushed my envelope and 703 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: you know, I want to see it. And then other 704 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: like for instance, my friend Dave, he he he'll watch 705 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: hard films. He'll watch like stuff that's that's grotesque or 706 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: disgusting or terrifying, but he doesn't like jumpy hard like 707 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: if it's something with with something jumping out at you 708 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: a lot of startles, Like he doesn't do that at 709 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: all because it just he he doesn't react well to it, 710 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: so you know, it just comes down to your wiring 711 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: on that level. All right, Well, this this could possibly 712 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: be fodder for another time, um or another episode. Yeah, yeah, 713 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: totally so thanks for the suggestion, Anna, thanks for the 714 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: thoughts of Jed. If the rest of you would like 715 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: to get in touch with us, particularly if you have 716 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: any experience firewalking or or you have thoughts on fire one, 717 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: that would be great because I know, just given all 718 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: the firewalking out there, and given uh our number of listeners, 719 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you guys and gallets have firewalks 720 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: so and maybe even on a company retreat maybe even so. 721 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: Um regardless, right in, let us know what was your 722 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: mindset going into that experience, what was your mindset during it? 723 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: What do you think you learned from it? Um? 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