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Speaker 2: Welcome back all the smoke twenty twenty five here presented

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Speaker 2: to you by DraftKings.

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Speaker 1: The crown is yours. They got to put that on that.

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Speaker 1: When you get that new money, Jack.

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Speaker 2: Your ship was look good right now. If you had

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Speaker 2: a crowd, you got your easy out right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm just you know, off real quick. Yeah, I sure can't.

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Speaker 2: No Jerry Croll, no no products in there.

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Speaker 1: It look wetter? Is it dry? When Coop you never

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Speaker 1: had one of those? You kept this hit? I know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, y'all. I didn't think my house was like this,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, black people.

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Speaker 2: Got good at too many Coop, Jerry curl Bo. I've

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Speaker 2: had hair Coop. Coop kept this year. Hey man, we

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Speaker 2: work man. It's and I got bounced because they I

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Speaker 2: got bounced. It's been a long time coming. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it gets more la than than than the gentleman

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Speaker 2: we have here today. Twelve year pro, eight time All Defense,

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven Defensive Player of the Year. That's five

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Speaker 2: time NBA champ, eight, two time w NBA champions ahead coach,

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Speaker 2: one of the first OG's of three and d We're

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Speaker 2: gonna get into that today. Congratulations to the newest member

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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty four Hall of Fame class. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show Man, Michael Cooper.

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Speaker 1: Coop. We appreciate it, guys, We appreciate you. Matt. Let

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Speaker 1: me say something before we just started.

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Speaker 3: Oh, sure, a lot of things that you want to

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Speaker 3: do in your life, but I have fucking arrived.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're here. I'm here man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah cool, so good, damn Coop. And we've been trying

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Speaker 2: to get you for a minute, Coop, even dodging us.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I'm I'm I've always reminded you, not on

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Speaker 4: for the basketball. You played with the defensive side of

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Speaker 4: me and Matter, two guys that really loved and took.

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Speaker 1: Pride to playing defense.

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Speaker 4: And you were one of the first ones of when

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Speaker 4: it and to be at eight time eight time like that,

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Speaker 4: that's a lie to me. But what made what made

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Speaker 4: you take pride and what made you just want to

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Speaker 4: be a defender? Well, Jack, you know that was my

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Speaker 4: sticking point when I got to the Lakers. Obviously growing

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Speaker 4: up here in California, Pasadena, what people don't know is

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Speaker 4: that I was an offensive juggernaut when I went to

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Speaker 4: junior college, I averaged twenty six points a game at

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Speaker 4: Pasadena City College. I went to New Mexico, and I

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Speaker 4: think I got changed right there. My coaching, Norm Ellenberger,

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Speaker 4: Lake great Jerry West. He said, cool, we got magic Kareem,

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Speaker 4: Jamal Willis, Norman Nixon, ain't enough.

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Speaker 3: Shots for you. So you have to play some defense.

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Speaker 3: And that was my strongholding. I stuck to it, and

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Speaker 3: that was how I was gonna stay there, to get.

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Speaker 4: In the court, To get on the court. You know,

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Speaker 4: Greg bob Brich told me that when I first got

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Speaker 4: If you want to get on in the court, you

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Speaker 4: better play defense. Larry Bird, one of the best basketball

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Speaker 1: You was, how do you feel hearing it from a

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Speaker 3: One of the things that we all know this playing

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Speaker 3: he was one of the best. I never tried to

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Speaker 3: affect him with that bullshit to come, you know, pulling

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Speaker 3: for Gardeners or Star like larr Berry, Like what do

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Speaker 3: Because like I don't know if they had skying reports

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have sky reports as well scouting reports.

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Speaker 3: But the one thing that I've always recognized about great

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Speaker 4: What's your opinion on when some of these younger players

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Speaker 4: being disrespectful to day saying players in the AD didn't

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Speaker 3: Don't like it, but you have to respect their game.

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Speaker 3: And again talk is cheap for me one to mine.

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Speaker 3: And I really liked this young man, Anthony Edwards, some

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Speaker 3: But you know what, basketball was tough when we came up, man,

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Speaker 3: Basketball was hard, physical basketball. It was referees had I

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Speaker 3: so you could lay some wood on somebody and and

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Speaker 3: So I respect these young kids, but I just wish

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Speaker 3: to where we have made it easy financially for you guys,

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Speaker 2: now there's talks you know, with the ratings being down

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Speaker 1: You know, Steph Curry comes along. This is a copycat league.

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Speaker 2: They started dynasty in the whole world, from grassroots basketball

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Speaker 2: to the pros are shooting way too many threes. Now,

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Speaker 3: Right now, you know what, mad I looked at the

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Speaker 3: So for me, it's a game that has changed twice

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Speaker 3: the and one videos and the PlayStation games that has

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Speaker 4: Want a positive way to the game. Question I want

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Speaker 4: one of the best Lakers ever growing up in LA?

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Speaker 4: Like that's that's That's like me saying I'm growing up

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, I mean, isn't that

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Speaker 1: a great feeling to say you from here and you

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Speaker 3: Absolutely feeling you don't want growing up and coming up

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Speaker 3: And actually the day that I got drafted in nineteen

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Speaker 1: Drafted by the Lakers. There's been some great players.

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Speaker 1: Very proud of that, very very proud of that. But

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Speaker 3: You know, as young people, we grow up and we

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Speaker 4: Yes, when did the og high socks come in? Did

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Speaker 1: I love it all. That's a dope story.

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Speaker 2: Drafted in seventy nine, same year that Jerry Buss buys

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Speaker 1: What does that scene to you?

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Speaker 3: And that was something that wasn't familiar with the seventies

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Speaker 4: One thing that we missed a couple of games. I

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Speaker 3: It was this dude said a curfew for me. All right,

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Speaker 3: So we all kind of learned that and we just

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Speaker 4: You remember your first experience at the farm Club. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would look yeah, okay, listen, my blinders

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Speaker 1: We're known for that too. Yes, we were for that.

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Speaker 2: You got to know this, anybody in all you saw

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Speaker 2: So the stars and stars were sitting there watching you

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Speaker 3: under her and became, along with Jack Nicholson, our super fans,

437
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,640
Speaker 3: it was kind of impressive to see her. But Paul Abdul,

438
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 3: before she became Paul Abdul, was a Laker girl. I mean,

439
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 3: there was many many that came through there. But again,

440
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 3: like I said, I lived a lot of my life

441
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 3: through Norm and Magic listening to those guys.

442
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: So you saw some good ship through their eyes.

443
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jack have seen a lot of basketball, Jack Nicholas,

444
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 4: You've seen a lot of good basketball.

445
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 3: Jack was so down to earth because we used to

446
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 3: go to on the Rocks, which is above the Roxy

447
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 3: in Hollywood, and Jack would be in there and we

448
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 3: used to party with him, you know, drink and you know,

449
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 3: it was a really intimate setting nightclub. So we'd all

450
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 3: be up in there and just to hear some of

451
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 3: the stories. But again, you watched this one floor of

452
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: the Cuckoo's Nest. You watch him in many other movies

453
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 3: that he had, and I couldn't believe that this guy

454
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 3: was standing next to me, but so knowledgeable of a fan,

455
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 3: knew the game inside and out. And my one great

456
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 3: memory of Jack is that in nineteen eighty four we

457
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: were going and you know, obviously not being able to

458
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 3: beat the Celtics, and we go there in the Celtics

459
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 3: wild beat them, and Jack said, you know what, fuck

460
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 3: y'all mooned them, sit up top, pull his past down

461
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 3: and move the fans my way out. And for us,

462
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 3: that was our sign that, you know what, the Celtics

463
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: had never beat us again, and we came back in

464
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: eighty five and beat them, So I love it.

465
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: That was our unspoken leader.

466
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: Was how factual? Was Winning Time any factual to it?

467
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: Or was it just peer entertainment?

468
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 3: I would peer entertainment. I would say that Jerry West

469
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 3: docked the bus. Were never like that, pat Riley never smoked,

470
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 3: And no, it wasn't factual at all. But one thing,

471
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 3: I'll give them the people they got to depict some

472
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 3: of us.

473
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 1: They hit a good job.

474
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 2: So when you see that, I mean again, they're telling

475
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 2: your story. And I heard Magic come out and say

476
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 2: something some other guys liked. Was there any part of

477
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 2: you that could enjoy because I enjoyed it? Because I didn't.

478
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: I was born in nineteen eighty and you guys are

479
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: my favorite team, So just kind of imagining what it

480
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: could be like. Although you say it wasn't like that

481
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 2: any part of you enjoyed it, or you're just like

482
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 2: this is never watch really watched it.

483
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: The one thing I heard about me is that I

484
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: broke down. I broke down on the highway.

485
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 3: My wife and I'm walking up and down and I'm

486
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 3: cursing and everything, and my wife was under the car

487
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: trying to fix the car. That the breakdown happened. But

488
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: I'm a man's man. Ifthing gonna happen, my crumba gup.

489
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: But no, that that wasn't really didn't pay any attention

490
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: to it. But I heard a lot of my friends

491
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: washing it, and a lot of people always said, well,

492
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 3: this go down, that go down.

493
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: I'd say ninety percent of it was fake, but people

494
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed it.

495
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I said, we don't know if

496
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 4: it's true or not. But the guy who played Norm

497
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: Nixon killed it. It's the same guy played in Snowfall.

498
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 4: He played and crazy on Snowfall, but he killed it.

499
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 4: He played he played nor him. Real dude played. Magic

500
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 4: was good too, Yeah he did. Lady Bird was good.

501
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 4: He was good too.

502
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: I enjoyed. I ain't gonna lie. I didn't know what

503
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: was true or not.

504
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: But again, growing up, you know, being a Showtime fan,

505
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 2: I thought it was dope. Your relationship with the late

506
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 2: great Jerry West.

507
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 1: Like a father son.

508
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 3: And you know, Jerry was one of uh one of

509
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 3: the players that picked a couple of us, and we're

510
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 3: affectionately known Undertoned Jerry's kids and myself Byron Scott, A. C. Green,

511
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 3: James Worthy, Michael Thompson. I mean, he appreciated Magic, part

512
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: of that. But Jerry was an interesting individual man. And

513
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: the thing that hurt me about Winning Times is how

514
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 3: they depicted him, because that was not.

515
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: Jerry West at all. Jerry very rarely cursed.

516
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: He was a man into his family. He didn't have

517
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: any ratin and raving around the office or anything like that.

518
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: And I had an opportunity in ninety one when I

519
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: retired to actually sit my office was next to his,

520
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: and this title that everybody has now special assistant to

521
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 3: the general Manager. That title was made for me by

522
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: Jerry West to give me an opportunity to learn the

523
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 3: business goings and learning how to scout and recruit players.

524
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: But Jerry Man was a very forceful individual. He understood

525
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 3: the game of basketball to the tea. He taught me

526
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 3: how to scout and recruit. And it was just such

527
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: a shame how they did that to him because that

528
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: wasn't Jerry. But you know what, the people that really

529
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 3: know Jerry, it hurts a little bit, but we knew

530
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: who he was and that wasn't him. But my relationship

531
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: goes very deep.

532
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: You know.

533
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 3: After I retired, I had an alcohol and substance abuse

534
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: and Jerry was the first one to pull me to

535
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: the side. He was like, Coop, what's going on? And

536
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: he understood it. So I went and spent forty five

537
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: days that John Lucas is down in Houston rehab place

538
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: there and probably one of the best things to turn

539
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 3: my life around. And sometimes we can get letters straight

540
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: on different things, and I was able that Jerry West

541
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: was able to see that and he caught it early

542
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 3: before my issues became even bigger than I couldn't handle.

543
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: So I go down there, I take care of that.

544
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 3: Came back, I still had a job. He was still

545
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: rooting for me, and until the day he died. I

546
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: spoke to him a week before he passed away. Jerry

547
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: and I was very, very close. It's going to be missed.

548
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: But again, we try to live our life to implement,

549
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 3: to imitate who he was. And I think a lot

550
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: of us do that.

551
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: I don't.

552
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: I don't really care about what a lot of people think,

553
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 4: but our hohle. What Jerry told me about my game

554
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: did a heart, you know, just hearing him say that.

555
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: We was in the Golden State at the time. We

556
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: had to go back, Yeah, and either we spoke when

557
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: to havelftime, they brought us back for something. I think

558
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 4: you're still on the team probably, yeah, and walking out

559
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: the arena, I was just like, how you doing, mister West.

560
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 4: He was like Stephen Jackson, Yeah, I remember you doing

561
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: this to start talking about my game, and like that

562
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 4: shocked me to hear Jerry West, you know, actually know

563
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 4: like personal things in my game.

564
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: So that meant everything to me, you know, knowing who

565
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: he was and what he meant to basketball. Jerry loved basketball, man,

566
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: and I mean he loved all players that played.

567
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: And if you we especially with the Lakers, if we could,

568
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: we would go up to him at one Jarry, what

569
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: do you think what about? He could tell you different

570
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: things that went on, and of course of your game,

571
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: you know, had the three fifty seven market the second quarter?

572
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: Why did you take that shot?

573
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: So we talk about bird being black. I think Jered

574
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 4: was the first one that was black. Jerr, Yeah, he

575
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: was a brother. He was a brother.

576
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: Brouh, he was a brother. Pat Riley comes in and

577
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: takes over. What was that transition like for you on

578
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: the team.

579
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 3: Well, with him being as an assistant coach, we kind

580
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: of knew what we were gonna get. And one thing

581
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: I always say about coach Riley is that attention to detail.

582
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: I had never heard a coach say that that much

583
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 3: about anything, and Pat was always talking about that across

584
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: the t's dot the I attention to detail. And he

585
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: was the first one to set me on the path

586
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: of wanting to be a coach the way he handled us.

587
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: But Pat was cool, Uh, he understood when he took

588
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: took the reins over the team that don't fuck it up,

589
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 3: get out the way and as but as we went on,

590
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: he started kind of developing and putting his fingerprints or

591
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: handprints more on the team. But when he took over, man,

592
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: we knew we were gonna win. He had the look.

593
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: Pat told a lot of us how to dress you.

594
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: You know, they had a little thing now called the

595
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: Riley spread. There's a shirt you can buy that. So

596
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: but Pat was really really nice man and just influential

597
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: all of our games on and off the court.

598
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Tough training camps, very tough man. We would go.

599
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: Pat wasn't big into going two and a half three hours,

600
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: but if we went two hours, and he'd let you know, hey,

601
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: you guys were in here for two hours, so you

602
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: either give it to me or I can string it out.

603
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: And we messed around and he strung it out one time.

604
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: So when he would come in every day, hey, we're

605
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 3: gonna be here for our forty give me what you got.

606
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: And once we understood that, we started practicing real hard.

607
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: But he was pushing us, pushing us.

608
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: He pushed us to be the first team in sixteen

609
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: years at that time, to repeat in eighty seven eighty eight,

610
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: and then he kind of like broke us in eighty

611
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: nine because he pushed us too hard and we're going

612
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: back to play the Pistons and we, you know, have

613
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: our first practice back there. He gets there and wants

614
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: to have a two and a half hour practice, and

615
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: that's when Byron got hurt. Magic was hurting in the finals.

616
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: The finals, we did, we did, I'll tell you we'd

617
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: have whooped the Pistons. Ass we'd have been a repeat

618
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 3: now that Isaiah and he gave us hell. But if

619
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: we you know, and then we thowt that the ball

620
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: goes out and then Magic pulls his hand the first

621
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: two minutes of the game, so we just weren't that team.

622
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: And they went on to win. But up until that point,

623
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: and before we had that practice, we were going to

624
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: beat the crazy. It's all called the way Pat right handled.

625
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: Us question because obviously what made him great is what

626
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: has kind of had people looking at him a certain way.

627
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: Now he's built something with you guys, he built something

628
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: in Miami, and now we're seeing the fallout with Jimmy

629
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: Butler not wanting to play there and Pat kind of

630
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: standing on his principles and morals. We were talking about

631
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: this on our other show earlier. Will Pat be that

632
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: way till he dies? Or do you think Pat has

633
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: it in him to kind of conform to what this

634
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: newer era of basketball and how players are.

635
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think he's conformed, but if you look at

636
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: his rollers behind the scene, supposed to pretty much is

637
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: out front and handles the day to day thing is

638
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: on the court, and I think he still has a

639
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: little pat Riley in him, but he understands the communication

640
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: and how to handle today's players. But again, Pat is

641
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: about that heat culture and that's never going to change

642
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: because he's developed the culture when we were winning in LA.

643
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: He went to New York and developed something really nice

644
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: there and then on to Miami. So Pat's never going

645
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: to change because he knows what it takes to win basketball.

646
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: And I think it's not a do it my way

647
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: or the highway with him, but do it this way

648
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: because this way wins, or you'll hit the posture there.

649
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: So you know, that's unfortunate that Jimmy Butler. But one

650
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: man trashes another man's treasure and I'm trying to get.

651
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: Him out here.

652
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: Poke the Lakers, come on, man, do something because they

653
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: give it a fire sail over there. Man, you get

654
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler and put him with adm Le. You know,

655
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: everybody knows the issue. So coach Riley or whoever is called,

656
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: he's behind behind so much shot. You're not gonna get

657
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: what you want. So the best thing you you can do,

658
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: I think at that point in time, would be to

659
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: take the best deal you can get.

660
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers will come up with something. How

661
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: did Cooper Loup come about? That came about from Magic?

662
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: Because when Magic was at Michigan State, he had a

663
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: young man named Greg Kelser playing with him and when

664
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: they beat Indiana State, that's what he was throwing the

665
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: log to him. So when he came to the team

666
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: and I wasn't doing much scoring because my whole focus

667
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: was about defense, was to play, he said, cool, we

668
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: got to find a way to get you to score, man,

669
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: because I wouldn't shoot the ball. I just get it

670
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: inside inside, And that's how it developed. So he said, listen, cool,

671
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: we're on the break. Man, my boy k I used

672
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: to throw it to him, So would you see me

673
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: do this or make a move like that.

674
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: You just go to the hoop.

675
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 3: And a lot of people never thought Magic could get

676
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: you the ball, but he could get you the basketball.

677
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: And example, we had this guy named Joe Cooper, big

678
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: guy forget where you're are.

679
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: But Joe Cooper was seven to.

680
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: One and Magic at training camp would tell all the

681
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: new people, listen, if you cut through the key, get

682
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: your hand up and your hands up, because I'll get

683
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: you the basketball.

684
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: And I remember he told Joe Cooper that. He told him.

685
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: One time we were in practice hself, Joe went through there,

686
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: Magic said, Joe, get your hands up.

687
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: Man, I see you.

688
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: Next time he went through there and he turned and

689
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: looked back. The ball hit right in the face and

690
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: busted his nose and blood was everywhere. They wiped him

691
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: up the next day. The guy got traded. So Magic

692
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: when he tell you something, man as, I just used

693
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: to go and that's how that developed. He throw it

694
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: and Chick hern is the one that coined it, the

695
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: Cooper loop, you know, before it was just the alley oop.

696
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: And then obviously my name being Coop he added that.

697
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: So he's another one I missed.

698
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: Check her. He was big and our growth as a

699
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: team and as the NBA got better.

700
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: Talk to us about Magic as just obviously we saw

701
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: what you guys put on the court as team and

702
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: team team and championships.

703
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: Well, what kind of leader was Magic.

704
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: Magic was always a special person and you could tell

705
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 3: that God had something for him and to be out

706
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: there and lead. And obviously we see the end result now,

707
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: but in the beginning we could see it because he

708
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: understood the game, he understood people, and he understood his

709
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: value to the game of basketball. And whenever I talk

710
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: about Magic, you have to talk about Larry Bird when

711
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: you talk about the growth of basketball in the eighties.

712
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: But Magic has done something spectacular beyond that.

713
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Man. Obviously he's getting the Presidential Award for Yeah, So.

714
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if something honor, Yes, honor him and

715
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: messy and I mean it's those are the type of

716
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: things that he was always headed for. And you know what,

717
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: when he came out and said he was HIV positive,

718
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: people look down on him. And obviously AIDS and HIV

719
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: awareness was not as aware as it is today.

720
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: Magic brought that to the forefront.

721
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: And you know what, I was in the front office

722
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: when he announced that he was HIV positive and he

723
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: pulled me in. It was me, Jerry West, doctor Bust,

724
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: Bill Scharman, a couple of people and he pulls me

725
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: in and he goes Coop, Listen, I got HIV and

726
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: I started crying because at that time, all we knew

727
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: is if you had HIV the virus, you're gonna get

728
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: full blown AIDS.

729
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: And I remember crying and I said, he's go man,

730
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: stop crying. Man.

731
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: I said, well, Eve, how long are they giving you?

732
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: He said, MANIM want beat this. And he said it

733
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: was such a such a straight face and a belief

734
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: in his heart that you knew. So when we went

735
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: out and he actually did the press conference, I mean

736
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: it was amazing. They flee this young man stand up

737
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: there and for him to try to come back, a

738
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: lot of people Karl Malone was one of the woman

739
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: not playing against him because this and that blew that

740
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: out of proportion.

741
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: But a candy still kept.

742
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: His steadiness and as you see, magic good magic, and

743
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: he's all the man he is today was the man

744
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: you saw when he first came into the league.

745
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: He just grew into that guy.

746
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: So you could see there was greatness all about him,

747
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: not just on the court, but off the court. He's

748
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: a man of God, loves his family, loves his friends,

749
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: and he takes advantage of all the opportunities that have

750
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: been given him.

751
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: Absolutely Mos Malone, Jamorrow Willks Bobby Jones, Cavanat, and Michael Thompson.

752
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 4: You were a part of the iconic Nike Force one

753
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 4: Memory slide. Can you talk about that that campaign for

754
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 4: one right there? Check it out everybody. Everybody was waiting

755
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: for the flood though.

756
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: But this is before Nike was popular though, exactly, and

757
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 2: shooting all the kids wear.

758
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Now you thought you were sweet, You thought you were

759
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: sweet right now. I was.

760
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: I had to take advantage of that that shot because

761
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna get my own shoe.

762
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: And when they came out with that, I think that

763
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: was such an iconic picture. That of one thing.

764
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: I want you try to look at that picture. See

765
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: how Moses calling everybody else's collar is kind of tight? Yeah,

766
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 3: most too big defend in his and he's split all

767
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: the way down to the waist. So they actually had

768
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 3: to get pins and pin most.

769
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: Of the hold on. But this is the key question, though,

770
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: is that a onesie or y'all got y'all tucked in? No,

771
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: it's a onesie. It's the ones that But I was

772
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: so proud to do that picture. I was eighty two. Yeah,

773
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: that's iconic. Yeah, real warriors. Yeah, I tell you, that's

774
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: the original Air Force one.

775
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Air Force ones, and that's the shoe that all

776
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: the young people wear today.

777
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: You know what.

778
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: And I'm say this because I love Nike. I'm a

779
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: big Nike person. It was a fucked up shoe to wear. Man,

780
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 3: you couldn't play.

781
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Balling because it was just it was kind of clunky.

782
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: You can't hoop them, No, you couldn't.

783
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: But they the ones that they have for us were

784
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: real high tops, I mean big high tops. But you

785
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: know what, I always started crying I watched that because

786
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: I remember we were up at five o'clock in the

787
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: morning doing that and well we had to get there

788
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: at four the background and.

789
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a nice pick, timeless pick. Hell. Yeah,

790
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: that's dope.

791
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: I don't know why they put me over by Moses.

792
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: I should have been on the other side. That's another story.

793
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: He was around me cool.

794
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: Five championships and a nine year window crazy eighty to

795
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: eighty eight. Played against the Celtics three of those times.

796
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: What were those rivalries?

797
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, obviously there's documentary thirty for thirties and

798
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: we've seen all kind of stuff, but as a key

799
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: figure in those games and those series, going to the

800
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: old Boston Garden and the one hundred and fucking fifteen

801
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: degrees in there, and then coming back to La and

802
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: finally getting over the hump.

803
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: What were those battles and wars like?

804
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: You know what, it's that old saying cliche, Iron sharpings iron,

805
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: and that's what Boston did for us, and I think

806
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: Detroit did that for Chicago. You know the way that

807
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 3: Chicago earlier, young Mike had to fight to get through them.

808
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 3: But playing the Boston Celtics was, you know, it's gonna

809
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: be a battle, and the important thing about playing them

810
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: is who was going to establish and and their game?

811
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: And we were up tempo game, but some kind of way,

812
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: Boston always brought it down to their level and when

813
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: they did, they were able to beat us. But once

814
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: we turned that series around, and it all took Kurt

815
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: Rams getting closed and tie closed line, that let us

816
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: understand that the Celtics were about whatever they could do

817
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: to win, and then we had to change that. But

818
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: those rivals were something very very special. I think the

819
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: whole world, the NBA basketball world, was waiting. That's who

820
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: they wanted to see. They needed Boston to get through,

821
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: They needed the Lakers to get through, and the NBA

822
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: took advantage of that.

823
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: Well.

824
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you may not have known at the time

825
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: because you're in it in the moment, but you know

826
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: a lot of people say that, you know, Magic and

827
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: Bird kind of helped shape and save where the NBA

828
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: was headed and changed the direction of where it was going.

829
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: And again, obviously you were playing in those games, but

830
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: did you feel it, Like you said, the world needed

831
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: Boston to get through and the world needed the Lakers

832
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: to get through. And you have a white superstar versus

833
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: black superstar uptown l a team versus you know, a

834
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: blue collar, blue collar racist out there racist all what

835
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: out out that way. But when you guys collided on

836
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: the court, you know, obviously in the moment, you may

837
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: not have known it, but looking back, you know, would

838
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: you say that Magic and Bird obviously with their teams,

839
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: but those individuals kind of helped shape the direction of

840
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: the NBA.

841
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: I think so they made it more syllable, they made

842
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: it more competitive. Our team was just as tough as

843
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: Boston on a different kind of way, athletics sort of way.

844
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: And I think the league benefited from that for sure.

845
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: And I ask you guys this, do you think it

846
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: would have worked? Have had Magic went to Bossie and

847
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: Larry went to La.

848
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: No, no why because it's just just a demographic and

849
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 4: how it was. Magic came to La where he was

850
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 4: welcome with he could be him.

851
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: He wouldn't. He couldn't have been the Magic he was

852
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: here in Boston.

853
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: They would they would, They would have forced him to

854
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 4: be somebody else, more like Bird, and that wouldn't have worked.

855
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 4: They both went to two situations where they can be

856
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 4: who they who they normally were, you know what I'm saying,

857
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: And it was it was the best fit for both

858
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: of them. I don't think nobody else besides Michael and

859
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 4: Chicago went to a team where Peter and also Tim

860
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 4: Duncan them four guys. They went to the perfect situation

861
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: for them. And I think Magic and Bird said it off.

862
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: And I think I'll add something to that style of play.

863
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: You're a Magic style of play. Well, he couldn't. He

864
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: couldn't get McHale and Perish and Walton at time, those

865
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: guys to be running up and down the court the

866
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: way he got. You guys are run up and down

867
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: the court. So I don't I don't think it could

868
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: have worked.

869
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: That's why I say people asked me. I said, you

870
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: know what, there is a basketball god because they make

871
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: things happen, they make things round them, they make things right.

872
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know what. That was right. That

873
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: was right, and the.

874
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: NBA needed that at that time. They needed two young

875
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: people to come in and just show what the fundamentals.

876
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: Of basketball was about.

877
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: That's why I say Magic made passing fun. He made

878
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: smiling fun. He made getting ready before the game. You

879
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: know before I heard that Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor

880
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: and what was a smoker? And you went into the Lakers'

881
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: locker room before everybody's smoking. They're just sitting there, not

882
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: doing anything. You imagine smoking before a fucking game.

883
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Crette still but just still still. Yeah, So I couldn't

884
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: hate cigarette and drinking. I heard some of the guys

885
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: would have a beer before the game. So that's just hydration.

886
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: So for the Lakers, in our locker room, there was

887
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: music playing. We were walking around talking about the game.

888
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: Who you gonna guard this? And that? Uh, we were

889
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 1: going over the board.

890
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: Magic was kind of like quizzing people and we could

891
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: okay for the guards, Uh, Dennis Johnson, what we gotta

892
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 3: do begin gotta stop him, keep him off the boards.

893
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 3: Magic was doing this all of us work. Magic was

894
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: kind of like and music was playing and stuff like that.

895
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: And at that time we didn't have that hard hip

896
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: hop hip hip hop that they have the rap music.

897
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: So we were listening to Frankie Beverley.

898
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: This mooth Yeah, put you in a good move. Yeah.

899
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: So uh, I mean, they just changed the game and

900
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: it was very very ben and you gotta go out

901
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: there and glide the motherfucker.

902
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty seven Defensive Player of the Year. But there

903
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: wasn't There was one person that wasn't happy about that, Younes,

904
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. Michael Cooper is a great on ball denial,

905
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: but check the other numbers. Check the other stats. Seventy

906
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: eight steels, forty three blocks. This league gives defensive wards

907
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: on reputation and it just HEAs a minute, who wasn't

908
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: happy about this? Michael Jordan, He said something about it. Yeah,

909
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: this is quotes. We're reading quotes. You never knew that.

910
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: No, really, Cooper was locking people up.

911
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: Mike, Like, shit, I might have locking people up too,

912
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 4: but Coop, God damn, how many times I gonna give

913
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: it to him?

914
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: You know what if that was any other Michael, I

915
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: would say something, but that's the MJ.

916
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: That's the MJA, So I'm gonna leave that alone. But

917
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 3: you know what, Mike was a force in his own

918
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: but he's born of like stealing. Mike was look, I mean,

919
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 3: he was a good on ball defender, but Mike would

920
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 3: play that pass and lanes and do all that.

921
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: Mike played D. He played D. Yeah, yeah, he didn't

922
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: like you giving that. No, Mike wasn't a denier and

923
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't all that.

924
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: But you know what, shit, as great as he became

925
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 3: on that offensive end, he had to conserve some energy.

926
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: You know, I could say, but I won a great

927
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 3: officer score, so I got to use all my energy

928
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: on that defensive end.

929
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: So interesting.

930
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 4: After retiring in nineteen ninety, he served as a special

931
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: assistant to Jered West for three years and also as

932
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 4: an assistant for the Lakers.

933
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: How was that being back on a different side.

934
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, it was good because the Lakers

935
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: kept a lot of us in the folds so after

936
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 3: our playing days, and that's what I truly mean. Doctor

937
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: Buss was all about family. And you know, when you retired,

938
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: if you didn't want to be part of the Lakers.

939
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: You can go do whatever you want to, but I

940
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: still wanted to understand what coaching, the behind the scenes,

941
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: player contracts, that kind of stuff, and I wanted to

942
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: be involved with that. So got a chance to do

943
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: that and enjoyed it because I did get the chance

944
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: to really see who doctor Buss was, see who Jerry

945
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: west was, because when they come to the locker room

946
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: and they're happy after you kind of know. But I

947
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: got a chance to see him on the defeats when

948
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 3: we lost him, and the everyday workings of what the

949
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: Lakers was about. So it was enjoyable for me. I

950
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: really had a wonderful time and got paid pretty good.

951
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 4: How did you what was the process of recruiting Shack

952
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: and getting them to sign a seven year, one twenty

953
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 4: million dollar deal.

954
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: Well that was more so Jerry westleym they did that.

955
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: That was kind of like on them big big people.

956
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: They kind of like a couple to let you know

957
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: what's going on, but they go into the big.

958
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: Man's office and close the door.

959
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: But you know what, Shack And that's the great ability

960
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: that Jerry west had is the ability to attract those

961
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: superstars and even magic.

962
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: You want to put him in the loop.

963
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: He was the one that was able and when he

964
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: was the general manager for a little bit with the

965
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: Lakers or he was a president to go get Lebron.

966
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: James. Lebron came here because of magic. So they still

967
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: have that kind of flare.

968
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: But it takes a circuit certain individual to be able

969
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: to talk to a superstar player. And yeah, LA's a

970
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: good selling point, but sometimes it ain't all good behind

971
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: the scenes, and they.

972
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: Were able to sell those type of players.

973
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: And and the fact that Jerry had to wherewithal and

974
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: the eye to see a young man Kobe Bryant and

975
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: noticed this kid could play basketball.

976
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: Just speaking of Kobe Brian, I heard the wax joass

977
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 4: and the pre draft workout.

978
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: Jack, don't believe everything. To listen, I was forty one

979
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: years old. I was. That's real though, that's real.

980
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: But no, that was probably, other than playing one of

981
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: the hardest things I've ever done a young Kobe. And

982
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 3: there was some certain things that you know, they wanted

983
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: him to work off pick and rolls, they wanted him

984
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: to get to the elbow, they wanted him to post

985
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: up that I had to kind of like take that away.

986
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: And after that I remember after that workout, I had

987
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: never sweated that hard in my life. And Uh, once

988
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 3: that that workout was over with Jerry goes U, I said, yeah,

989
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: I'm fine, man, he goes He's our kid, that's our pit.

990
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: And they knew it. They knew it.

991
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: And this kid here, man Kobe could play. He could play.

992
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: And that was the one thing I was very impressed

993
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: with him. Two things. One his strength as a nineteen

994
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: year old, he was strong man. I was working him

995
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: down that low post, and you know, he was not able.

996
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: I couldn't push him out of there too much. But

997
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: then again, he had that athleticism where he jump over

998
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: the top, but he always Jerry said, I need you

999
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: to get to the elbow, and he started him over here,

1000
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: and with four or five dribbles, Kobe was able to

1001
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: maneuver hisself and get to that shot. He didn't hit

1002
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: every one, but he got to the spot. And Jack,

1003
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: you know this as offensive player, cause Matt and I

1004
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: were defensive players. If you get to your spot, it's

1005
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 3: hard for people to guard you, and Kobe really showed

1006
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: that and he exemplified that in that workout.

1007
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: Back to back w NBA Championships two thousand and one,

1008
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: two thousand and two with the Sparks with least A

1009
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: Leslie UH Coach of the Year in two thousand.

1010
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: What was that experience like transitioning over to coaching women.

1011
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: Well, I had star started hearing about that in ninety seven,

1012
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 3: that the league was coming about, and when it officially

1013
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: became here, I always say this, you know, women at

1014
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: early ages are always smarter than us. You know, five

1015
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: six year olds, they're always ten years you know, if

1016
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: they're five or six, they're thinking like a ten or

1017
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: eleven year old, so to go and to work out.

1018
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: But before I actually coach them, I had a chance

1019
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 3: to go to say no classes up at USC Summer League.

1020
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: That's where I saw Tina Thompson, Chryl Swoops, least Or

1021
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: Leslie play. So when the chance came that I got

1022
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: a chance to coach them, it was great. I say,

1023
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: there's two things about women that I really enjoyed coaching.

1024
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: One they look better in their uniforms because we sometimes

1025
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: look kind of sproungy, you know, big guys like that.

1026
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: And two, they smell better when you come to the huddle,

1027
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you know, you come in and

1028
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: shot and sweating on you, and you got like that

1029
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: and the guys smelling under armed. Women always smell good

1030
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: when you come in. But they also can play the

1031
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: game because they have to truly use all the fun

1032
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: mental aspects of the game because they're below the rim.

1033
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: Now they are, but back then they weren't jumping up

1034
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: over the rim dunk. And so that was the joy

1035
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: that I had with coaching women is you know, we

1036
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: would go over plays and you guys know this, there're

1037
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: one guy on your team where you can run a place.

1038
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: I don't care how many times you run it, somebody's

1039
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: always fuck it up. You had a squad though, Yeah,

1040
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: women don't do that. You give them things. I could

1041
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 3: run two plays and two times and after that everybody

1042
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: got so I was able to move on to the

1043
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: next one. Now, these guys, man, you gotta cut this way.

1044
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: You know, you're always kind of checking them. But women,

1045
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. So the one thing that they came

1046
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 3: to be because I was trying to be cord Zone

1047
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: with them. And I remember this. I'll never forget this.

1048
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: Lisa Leslie came up to me in one of our practices.

1049
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: I was like, come on, ladies, you got she said, cool,

1050
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: fucking coach us.

1051
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: Coach us.

1052
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: I said, coach you, she said, cool, I want to learn,

1053
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: coach us. That's the only way we're gonna get better.

1054
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: Now. I never cursed at them, because you don't have

1055
00:47:59,239 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: to do that with women.

1056
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 3: But I got after them, and when I realized, okay,

1057
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: this is how I go, that's.

1058
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: When we're able to turn the corner.

1059
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: Because you remember, back in ninety seven, Houston Comments was

1060
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 3: the one winning all the chance trust me, Tina Thompson

1061
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: and all them. So once I started coaching them and

1062
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: we broke through and we were able to beat that

1063
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: mighty comic team, then I kind of like, okay, this

1064
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: is what they need. And then that's how we did.

1065
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: Like I said, I never was a yellow or a cursor,

1066
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 3: but they knew when I was upset, and I made

1067
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: my corrections harshly with them and they benefited from that.

1068
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: But with all due respect, Lisa Leslie is one of

1069
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 4: the best and beautiful human beings I've ever seen in

1070
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 4: my life. Bro, every time we said the Big Three,

1071
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 4: she's the same person. She's always in great moves. She

1072
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: even knows, like if you're going through something through the week,

1073
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 4: she'll pull you through the side and give you some encouragement,

1074
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: like she just wanted them people like she's one of

1075
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: those people that you always want to see bro because

1076
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: she always got a good vibe about them.

1077
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: And that's how she's always been. That is how she's

1078
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: always been. She was always helping her teammates. When she

1079
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: got that job, because he had called and asked me

1080
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: about the Big Three jobs, she was like, Coop, should

1081
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: I take it? I said, Spoose, that would be perfect

1082
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: for you these money because she knows how to communicate

1083
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: with men. And but the thing is, she knows the

1084
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: game and she's so staturesque and as always look good

1085
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: all the new shoes, like she flying And I'm hating

1086
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: because she's got more championships than me and the Big Three.

1087
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: I hated for that, but then she was also given

1088
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: a good team. But yeah, she had Joe, the best

1089
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: player the Big these exactly, Joe Johnson.

1090
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: But I like, so it took her coming up to you,

1091
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: like Coop, coach us to kind of really kind of

1092
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: get you in your groove as a coach.

1093
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: Yep, And that's you know, she.

1094
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: Uh. The one thing I got to give her is

1095
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: that every year she had the ability to wear. You know,

1096
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: back in the early two thousand, women had to supplement

1097
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: their contract. They had to go to Europe, they had

1098
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: to go to Russia and they had to go over

1099
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: there for most of the year to make eight hundred

1100
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: and nine hundred. Well, Lisa, you know the she was

1101
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: doing off the course, so she stayed and Jack and Matt.

1102
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: Every year she would come up before the season, goes, Coop,

1103
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: I want to learn how to do this.

1104
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: I want to learn how to do that.

1105
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: And then our first, our second championship, she came and

1106
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: she goes, Coop, I want to know how that Elijah

1107
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: won drill works. You know that move Elijah won would

1108
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: go baseline and do that and come back out on

1109
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 3: that side. I said, okay, smooth. So I started watching

1110
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: some film on him and she said, Coop, I got it.

1111
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: So for four months, from October to February March, every

1112
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: day we went over This is when the Lakers were practicing,

1113
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: and we so we would get there at six in

1114
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: the morning because they would practice at nine, and we'd

1115
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: go for an hour. She would go do her weight program,

1116
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: lift weights and stuff, and then we'd go over there

1117
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: and we worked on that every day, free throw shooting,

1118
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: three point shooting. And I was amazed by that because

1119
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 3: not many guys will do that. But here she is

1120
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: wanting to be one of the best players in the game.

1121
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: Man. And she worked on that.

1122
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: And we were play and the Charlotte Hornets in our

1123
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 3: second championship.

1124
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: And she got the ball.

1125
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: She went baseline, She went like that and one of

1126
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: them players jumped way over there.

1127
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: She came back out.

1128
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: I mean it was exactly like Elijah Walmer came back

1129
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: out and hit it. When she hit that shot, I

1130
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: stood up and she was pointing at me.

1131
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: I told you I could do it.

1132
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: I told you, And that there is a passion and

1133
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: compassion she has to the game that she now takes

1134
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: into her coaching.

1135
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: Was Don Sty There was this thing, right, yeah.

1136
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: That was Don So Lisa was man, I tell everybody this.

1137
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: She and I think Ann Myers possibly could, Nancy possibly could,

1138
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 3: but Lisa Leslie could play in the NBA if she

1139
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: could handle the physicality.

1140
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: You know. We used to go play up.

1141
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: Up at U s CLA used to have open runs

1142
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: and we would go play and I would tell the

1143
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: guys the first two or three runs because magic was

1144
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: rent in the gym and he had his travel team

1145
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 3: up there.

1146
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: I said, dudes, just.

1147
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: Play her, don't play her physical, just player, and they

1148
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, they still be physical, but they

1149
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 3: wouldn't have a hand checker.

1150
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: Man. You at least she used to give it to them.

1151
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: Threes pump face, and she wasn't afraid to go inside either.

1152
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 3: And once her teams start winning, then that macho shit

1153
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: come back out of you. And okay, I got to

1154
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: put some owner and they start banging on her and

1155
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: then she's off balance and she would miss her shots.

1156
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: But if she could handle the physicality, she could be

1157
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: the one woman that could play in this game. But

1158
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: the game is just very difficult for women, you know,

1159
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: with hand checking and all that.

1160
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people give Angel Rees and Kaylyn

1161
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: Clark a credit for the boom of the WNBA this

1162
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: past season. Do you see any similarities to their boom

1163
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: to the boom the Magic and Bird brought to the

1164
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: NBA in the eighties. Yeah, are doing similar I.

1165
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: Think this young lady, Caitlyn Clark, you really getting to

1166
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: see her explode. I think she's gonna be probably the

1167
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: first WNBA player that averaged like about thirty four to

1168
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: thirty five the game. I think she got that kind

1169
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: of potential. Angel is another player that's just gonna be athlete,

1170
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: and I think all players in the w NBA are

1171
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: only getting better. That's gonna take that that that lead

1172
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: to the next level. I'm waiting for Juju to come

1173
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: a young lady at USC have you seen her?

1174
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: That what.

1175
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: Waiting for her to come into the lead, because he

1176
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: is gonna be the explosion. Caitlyn Nember doing a wonderful

1177
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: job because you got a lot of the super birds

1178
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: and Diana Tarassi, they're getting ready to exit now because

1179
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: they're the vet players now and this new blood to

1180
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: come in because they understand how to play the game.

1181
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: And I think that's what Lisa, Tina Thompson Cynthia Cooper

1182
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 3: did at the two thousand level. They brought that that

1183
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: strong NBA kind of play to open the league up.

1184
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: But now you get ready to see some people play

1185
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: basketball now, and I'm excited to see you.

1186
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 4: It's a couple of young girls that's in the eighth

1187
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 4: ninth grade that's dunking off.

1188
00:53:59,280 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

1189
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I got a ten year old that's tall,

1190
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: so okay, Yeah, yeah, she a problem already.

1191
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: Form goat milk. She found a game. I love it

1192
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: and see I tell people all the time.

1193
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: They told me this because Phil Jackson won't a big

1194
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: fan of the WNBA, because I used to. In two

1195
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: thousand we were only I think we might be the

1196
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: only w NBA team to win a championship the same

1197
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: time in the NBA in two thousand and won. The

1198
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 3: Lakers won and we won. So they brought that kind

1199
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 3: of tough basketball. But you get ready to see this

1200
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 3: league go to a whole another level. And people used

1201
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: to say back then, all this league will be here

1202
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: five years. They'd be here, I'd be And I used

1203
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: to tell Phil, Hey, Phil, want to come to the

1204
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 3: Phil couldn't do it, Phil Jackson, I said, Phil, come

1205
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 3: on to a wn big game. Sit you on the court. Goop,

1206
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: women can't play basketball, I said, Phil, come on, Oh, Coop,

1207
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: I can't go. So I never could change him, but

1208
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: I got close. But I did hear him say now

1209
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 3: that women can play the game. So he's changing. But yeah,

1210
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: you getting ready to see basketball go to another stage.

1211
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 4: On a serious note, cancer, scare you die? You was

1212
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 4: diagnosed with with tongue cancer in twenty fourteen. How are

1213
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 4: you doing now and did that change your perspective on

1214
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: how you look at life?

1215
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: Doing good now? Matt, Yes, I'm glad to hear that.

1216
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: Me glad to hear that because you're my guy. Yeah.

1217
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: You know, I had a tongue cancer and no one

1218
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 3: in my family has ever had that. And what happened

1219
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: is I was traveling, and you know how when you're

1220
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: eating food and you bite your tongue a little bit

1221
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: and it doesn't heal, and you know, your mouth is

1222
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: one of the fastest healing parts of your body.

1223
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: But this was just kind of hanging on. It never

1224
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: got ugly, didn't turn green. It's just like a little slit.

1225
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 3: And what made me become more aware of it was

1226
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: I was drinking water about maybe eight days afterwards, and

1227
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: it started burning. I said, you know what, let me

1228
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 3: go to the e and T So I go there,

1229
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: and I'm in Atlanta now, and I go to Imbry

1230
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: Hospital and I go there and the doctor comes in.

1231
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: He looks at it, and the other doctor comes in

1232
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 3: and they look at it on the side, on this

1233
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: side of my tongue, and he goes back out, and

1234
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: then she comes back in with a trade with a knife.

1235
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: So knife and the.

1236
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: Thing, and I go, well, what are you gonna do

1237
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: with that? She goes, oh, you have cancer. That's tongue cancer.

1238
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: We have to do a biopsy. I said, so what

1239
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: is it about. Oh we have to cut a piece

1240
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: of it. I said, wait a minute. So long story short,

1241
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: I ended up leaving, came out here to La went

1242
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: to the City of Hope and everything got taken care of.

1243
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: It.

1244
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: Found out that it wasn't as bad. But they ended

1245
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: up having to take out probably a fingernail on my

1246
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 3: tongue and on this.

1247
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Side here you can't see it.

1248
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: I got a scar fifty seven lymph notes they took out,

1249
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 3: and then I ended up having to do radiation and

1250
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 3: that was the worst. But everything, but long story short,

1251
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 3: everything's good and now was just about preventive. I've been

1252
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 3: through the whole thing. And now I go to the

1253
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: City Hope probably once every six months, and I go

1254
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: to doctor Mugambi out there and uh, she does my

1255
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: check up.

1256
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: But I'm good.

1257
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: And I tell everybody, now, man, that is when something's

1258
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: wrong with you. I feel something, you don't feel right,

1259
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: go go to the doctor, you know.

1260
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 4: So we both coaching uh, Big Three. Obviously, I'm the

1261
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,959
Speaker 4: only back to back champion as a coach. I say again,

1262
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 4: I'm the only.

1263
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: Back to back coach as a champion you know out

1264
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: there that I did. But now exact that's why I

1265
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: hate you, because you know what the thing with you

1266
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: is that you don't have great talent. You got players

1267
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: that play fucking hard, get dogs, that's it. And uh, yeah,

1268
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: you might not win every year, but we're gonna compete. Yeah.

1269
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: How was that experience, you know, uh, actually coaching in

1270
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: the Big Three and also working with Cbe.

1271
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 3: I love that, man, I mean Cbe. When I first

1272
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: even thought about that, I saw Clyde. I was going

1273
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: to the airport, walking through the airport in Atlanta, coming

1274
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: to LA and I saw Clyde and Clyde was like Coop.

1275
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 3: I said, Clyde, what are you doing all on the

1276
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 3: commission of the Big Three? And I said, well, let's go.

1277
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 3: He say, Coop, have some more teams that they get ready.

1278
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: This was early and he said think about it. So

1279
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: I remember getting back home about a week later and

1280
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 3: Qube called me, and I love Cube man. I've always

1281
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: been a big fan of his. Listen to his music,

1282
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: but to see that he was bringing something that was very,

1283
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: very unique to basketball. Because if what Cube has started,

1284
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: it goes back to the playground and you sue, you

1285
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 3: ain't got five people, You got three of your board,

1286
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: two of your boys, and you go to another neighborhood, Hey,

1287
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: let's go three on three. And to have that concept

1288
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: become a reality I thought was so unique. So now

1289
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: he's putting it into play with all these players. So

1290
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: being part of the Big Three has been a big

1291
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: change in my life because it lets me look at

1292
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: basketball a little bit more different because we're always looking

1293
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: at it either one on one or five on five. Well,

1294
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 3: three on three gives you a different perspective of it.

1295
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: And what I like about it is not a lot

1296
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: of coaching and Jack, that's why I hate you, because

1297
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 3: you're a good recruiter and you always go find them

1298
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: diming in the rough somewhere. Well, I just kind of like,

1299
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Speaker 3: get the biggest guys. And it's not about that about

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00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: height in the Big Three. I mean it helps a

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00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 3: little bit, but you got having people that can play

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: together as a team and work. And I always congratulate

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00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: you a trilogy, right, yep, your insignia.

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Speaker 1: It's nice it got the three eyes and the three head. Yeah,

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: and I got Three's.

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00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: Company the championship this year though we did, but it

1307
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 3: was uh yeah, well anyway, another story. But the Big

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00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: Three has been a blessing in disguise and I'm just

1309
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: glad to be part of it. And I thought this

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00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: year that they should have had the Olympics and some

1311
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: days would have went about you know what, the Big

1312
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 3: Three that we've sent over there should have been from

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00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: the Big Three exactly.

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Speaker 4: So you know, three on three is more more played

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 4: around the world, and five on five, one on one anything.

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Speaker 3: So you've got a great product, and I think he's

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: expanding it. I like the little additions he's got thrown

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01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 3: in there, bring the fire and things like that. That's

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01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: uh that gives you that old one on one nasty play. Okay,

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01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 3: bring the fire, fire, Okay, here's the ball, buttherfuck, let's

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 3: go one on one me and you and I love

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01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: that aspect.

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Speaker 1: I just wish we could get more.

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Speaker 2: Of them too, So j Q, for sure, Well, Coop,

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01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: we appreciate you. We know you're on a clock, so

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: we got quick hitters. We're gonna get you out of here.

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Speaker 2: So first thing to come to mind.

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Speaker 1: Let us know five best perimeter defenders of all.

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Speaker 3: Time, Michael Cooper of course, Nate McMillan, McKim, Babe Mutombo,

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Speaker 3: Alvin Roberts, An Roberts, and I'm gonna throw Michael Jordan

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Speaker 3: in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, show him in there.

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Speaker 2: We've got people in this building that have been petitioning

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: to get Lebron James a Laker statue. Will Lebron have

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: a Laker statue when it's all said and done, I.

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Speaker 1: Think it will.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a lead all time lead score, and

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01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 3: Lebron is doing some things that uh uh, I don't

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01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 3: think anybody. I think he's gonna play till he's forty one.

1340
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: But he's doing things man, that you know a lot

1341
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 3: of kids don't do twenty two twenty three in the league. Man,

1342
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 3: I do think he needs one. He's already broke. The

1343
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: only player to play with his son, and how many

1344
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: of us would love to have done that, played one

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 3: time his son, didn't play a lot, but just to

1346
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 3: get out there on the court with them and play

1347
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: up and down. But yeah, he, uh, Lebron will have

1348
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: get a statue.

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 4: Bron knows that these motherfuckers are playing against soft too.

1350
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 4: Say again, Braun came into the league, was a little rough,

1351
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 4: but he know that the game now is super soft,

1352
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 4: so he can cruise through a lot of ship bro.

1353
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 4: I'm telling you because he played in both eras, so

1354
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 4: he know how soft this game is.

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01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: Ray were watching what year was that? Right? Me and

1356
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: Ray were watching some throwback ship eleven bro. I slammed Lebron.

1357
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: I got footage of it. I slammed him. He tried.

1358
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: I grabbed him and slammed him right here. That nigga,

1359
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: anybody doing that to him? Trained. He was just floating

1360
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: out there, strong, floating. Yeah, was crazy.

1361
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 3: But he played bully ball now. I mean he's straight

1362
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: out just bullies them. Man, you get it away? What

1363
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: did you what she does to do?

1364
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: But look at you, guys. Do you think he could

1365
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: have played in our era?

1366
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we ain't see nobody six eight, two seventy with

1367
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 4: the forty is vertical.

1368
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 3: We ain't never seen that no time. Well, the closest

1369
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 3: one would be Carl Malone. But he didn't have that

1370
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: vert like. He wasn't like yeah no, no, I ran

1371
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: that wise, scoring wise. I ran it that for a

1372
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: couple of times. And that she's still hurt to think

1373
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: about it. He was strong, Yeah, and he could score.

1374
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: That's it. Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean that

1375
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: the male man.

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Speaker 3: That motherfucker was delivering a lot of times. Yeah yeah, rain,

1377
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 3: sleep and snow there. Yeah, but those are some good ones.

1378
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, childhood crush, You got child crush? Who was the

1379
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: child crush she passed away? Who was she? Yeah? Her

1380
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: name was Melo. Yeah, she was somebody from your neighborhood

1381
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: or my neighborhood. Okay, yeah he was that one. She

1382
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: was that one.

1383
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: Smile, she was that one to my prom Oh really

1384
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: and she wouldn't give it up, but yeah, that's always

1385
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 3: the one and give it up.

1386
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: That just started so old school and she wouldn't give

1387
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: it up.

1388
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: But I was like that sad little puppy used to

1389
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 3: following around the campus and stuff in the neighborhood.

1390
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: I go buy a house and walk, buy a house

1391
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: of person, whatever it takes. Rest in Peace. One album

1392
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: that you could play.

1393
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: With No Skips, kind of Blue, Miles Davis, Miles David

1394
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 3: and That's Ship All Blue, kind of Blue and Freddy

1395
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: free Loader Freddy Freeloader Skip. I got a brand new

1396
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: copy it out Freddy Freeload.

1397
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: I got to check that out, Freddy freeloaded.

1398
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 4: One guess that you would like to see on All

1399
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 4: the Smoke, but you have to help us get your

1400
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 4: answer on the show.

1401
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 2: Somebody you know, you think would be good on this

1402
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: show that we'll talk ship with us, like, hey, Kareem

1403
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: said he would do it.

1404
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: We just have to go to Orange County. I go whatever.

1405
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 4: I want to pray with him one time, smoke with

1406
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 4: y'all too. I want to pray with him, my muslins,

1407
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 4: I want to pray with it. I just want to

1408
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 4: say I pray with him.

1409
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: Kareem will smoke with us too. Yeah, I appreciate that.

1410
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: Helps with that. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.

1411
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 4: And I'm cool, huh. I pray and smoking not be crazy.

1412
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: But Coop, we can rely on Coop. See I see Cooper,

1413
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 4: and Cooper's a side of dude. There's a lot of

1414
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 4: people that come ahead and say stuff and we never

1415
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 4: see him again. But we can rely on Coop, y'all.

1416
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: With Coop for a long time, cool Man came and

1417
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: talk to us at you see when we and we

1418
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: and Rave Refreshman.

1419
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: On another level with him. Yeah, Kareem bringing hard yeah, yeah,

1420
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm with this. I want to learn. I want to

1421
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: learn something. He likes things from the past, history, you.

1422
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 4: Know, even doing the George Floyd stuff he's been. I

1423
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 4: want to talk to him about that type of stuff,

1424
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 4: what he thought about all that. You know, I would

1425
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 4: love to talk.

1426
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: To Karean well. Coop Man.

1427
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, obviously, love and respect what you meant.

1428
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up a Laker fan and getting

1429
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: a chance to know you early when I was in

1430
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: college and throughout, Like Jackson, you've always been a solid

1431
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: stand up. We appreciate you, man, So thank you for

1432
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: your time today.

1433
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 1: Again.

1434
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: Congratulations on on the on the Hall of Fame. Long

1435
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: overdue respect.

1436
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 3: And I would shake Jack's hand, but we stocked some

1437
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: unfinished business here, and I know we still got to

1438
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: go at each other.

1439
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna keep the cords again. Jack gonna get

1440
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: part of the league said he's said, fuck Jack. But man,

1441
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: that's a wrap.

1442
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: Michael Cooper, you can catch us on the DraftKings Network

1443
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: in the All the Spoke productions.

1444
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: You too. We'll see y'all next week. You mm hmmm

1445
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: mm hmmm.