WEBVTT - Ep. 40: Gerry Wants a State-Record Blue Trout

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<v Speaker 1>So to stimulate those neurons, I commonly whip out my

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<v Speaker 1>zippo and my soft pack of camels and light up

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<v Speaker 1>a ciggy while battling five foot waves in whirlpools and

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<v Speaker 1>no winning, because we're a bunch of inbred genetic deficiency

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy fishing for other inbred genetic deficients. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of like you know, tweedledum olive, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to know it's the name. It's there's a little

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<v Speaker 1>green flight. That's what they're eating, right, So we're good.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't like my ads, I don't care. You

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<v Speaker 1>can buy a canoe somewhere else. I'm not the only

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<v Speaker 1>guy in America selling canoes. Good morning, degenerate Anglers, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Bent the Fishing Podcast. It's feeling confused because

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<v Speaker 1>it's no longer sure if saying it stroke it on

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<v Speaker 1>the water yesterday is a good or bad thing. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Surmelie, I'm Miles Nulty, and I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're about to dig into a core

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<v Speaker 1>issue that's facing the fishing community. Yeah, this is d

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're doing doing good things, doing good service

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<v Speaker 1>for context. This all stems from a conversation Joe and

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<v Speaker 1>I had recently when I went out and visited him

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<v Speaker 1>on that that right coast out there, and some confusion

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<v Speaker 1>ensued over the use of the verb to stroke in

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<v Speaker 1>relation to fishing success. The words seems to have opposite

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<v Speaker 1>meetings on our respective sides of the continent, right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed it does, because in the conversation you you told

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<v Speaker 1>me that out west, stroking it on the water meant

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<v Speaker 1>you absolutely crushed it. You just hammered the fish. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you said that, it forced me I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>to check myself. I questioned my own longstanding use of

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<v Speaker 1>the term, because I have always used it negatively, like

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<v Speaker 1>stroked it to me means you had a really shitty day,

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<v Speaker 1>like you caught absolutely nothing. The joke, the joke, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>being that instead of catching fish, you are just out

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<v Speaker 1>there like wax in the carrot, you know, flog flog

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<v Speaker 1>in the bishop, instead of getting getting real ship done

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<v Speaker 1>on the water. That's aition I knew, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think in in further talking this out, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the semantic difference in terms of where it

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<v Speaker 1>breaks down. But we'll get there before we do though,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure you you like you went on a

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive? You did? You did? You did science on this?

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<v Speaker 1>What what did you do? I did? I actually I

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<v Speaker 1>conducted a little text survey among my buddies and the

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<v Speaker 1>results we're kind of interesting. This for like a science fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I would win for this, um stroke hypothesis. Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>all I did, I just simply blast texted the question.

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<v Speaker 1>When you hear an angler say we stroked it yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>what do they mean? So of the fifteen people pulled,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not a lot of people, right, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>small samples small sample size exactly, but you know time

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<v Speaker 1>is of the essence. Okay, Um, I think they were

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<v Speaker 1>more of it, Peter, Yeah, they just didn't answer me. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>This is not going in a science journal anyway. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the fifth teen people pulled, eight of them said

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<v Speaker 1>that it means you blanked, you skunked, scratched, zeroed. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the definition. I know. Interestingly though, right, Um, these

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<v Speaker 1>were all people that fish the Northeast saltwater scene specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were all Northeast salty guys. That fascinating point

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense, it is, It is fascinating, and I I

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<v Speaker 1>am actually truthfully kind of on the edge of my

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<v Speaker 1>seat to hear the rest of the But before we

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<v Speaker 1>do that, I gotta I gotta jump in and uh

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<v Speaker 1>may I suggest that the rod and reel from our

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<v Speaker 1>good friends at thirteen Fishing might help you East Coasters

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<v Speaker 1>stroke it less and us West guys stroke them a

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<v Speaker 1>lot harder and more often. Yes, you can. You can

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that all you want, as you guys now know,

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<v Speaker 1>bent is brought to you by the cool people at

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen Fishing. In Yes, we have both been fishing a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of their stuff this season. Um, and it's extremely

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<v Speaker 1>kick ass, very well made. And I gotta say, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you I don't stroke it good or stroke it bad,

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<v Speaker 1>you will. You will look good stroking it because thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>is not afraid to make reels and rods with some

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<v Speaker 1>flair and pizzazz like I've been. I've been snakehead fishing

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<v Speaker 1>with their bright green inception sz um beginning of this season,

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<v Speaker 1>in the end of last um and that bait cast.

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<v Speaker 1>If nothing else, I'm never going to lose it, like

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<v Speaker 1>You'll never set it down in big brush and have

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<v Speaker 1>to hunt for it. It's right, it might even glow

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark, So good stuff. It's true. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just how many times did you just say stroke it

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<v Speaker 1>in one paragraph? You know, by the end if someone

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<v Speaker 1>were to count the strokes in this episode by the end,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then time it with a Pink Floyd record. No,

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<v Speaker 1>so trippy, bro. But anyway, anyway, anyway, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about the remaining seven inches in your poll. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me about the polls. Okay, so sick. Out of those

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<v Speaker 1>remaining seven people had never even heard the term used

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<v Speaker 1>by anglers. This was completely far into them. Two of them, interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>were local to me, and the others were from the

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<v Speaker 1>Midwest or the South, which includes Florida. But here's the

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<v Speaker 1>fun part. Here's here. This is science, right, guy, I

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<v Speaker 1>think sociology. There you go, So you got you're smarter. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite never hearing anyone utter the phrase stroked it as

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<v Speaker 1>it relates to fishing, they all guessed that it would

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<v Speaker 1>have a negative connotation. All right, I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>your your samples are are skewed considering that it's just

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<v Speaker 1>your friends. But what's give me the last one? There's

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<v Speaker 1>one more. And the remaining person was guide Marty Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>who guides on the Upper Della, where he's a good

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine. He's been on this show. Uh. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the only one in the very small sample of

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<v Speaker 1>folks that said, stroke it means you nailed it, you

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<v Speaker 1>crushed right. But Marty, But Marty, this is here we

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<v Speaker 1>go again. Marty also spent lots of time in the

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<v Speaker 1>rockies in Alaska, which means you know, he's hung out

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Positive stroke with us with people. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing I'll add, because I enjoyed it. My

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<v Speaker 1>buddy Jimmy Banano made it a point to clarify that

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<v Speaker 1>stroke it means you blank, but stroked them means you

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<v Speaker 1>hammered them. Though I've never even heard I've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy use either of those terms. I've never heard anyone

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<v Speaker 1>in my circles say we stroked them. It's always we

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<v Speaker 1>stroked it, and it always means today sucked now. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's like, that is the critical point of difference. That

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<v Speaker 1>the them is the thing that defines the difference in

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<v Speaker 1>these two phrases from different parts of country. See, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard anyone in my circle say they stroked it.

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<v Speaker 1>But when someone says, oh, we stroked him, it means

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<v Speaker 1>they absolutely wailed on the fact like that is that

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<v Speaker 1>is the the highest. If you're gonna describe your day

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<v Speaker 1>in terms that you know, it's it's next levels. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>we stroked him. That that was you got it done.

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<v Speaker 1>So like when I heard you, like when we were

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<v Speaker 1>it happened because we were driving around and you were

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<v Speaker 1>calling friends for a fishing report, and I was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>next to you and you're on your cell phone and

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you talking about stroking it and the phrase

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<v Speaker 1>felt a little awkward, but I thought, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>assumed it was the same thing as stroking them, when

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<v Speaker 1>in actuality, it was a complete opposite. I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>brought up the context so that people just don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we were just talking about stroking it in general for

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<v Speaker 1>hours while you were here. Make you bloody, Mary, We'll

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<v Speaker 1>go sit on on the veranda and talk about stroking it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, it was a little it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a little confusing. But I feel like through this this uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this sociological deep dive and and regional questioning, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we really solved the problem to day. Joe. I you

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<v Speaker 1>know me too. I feel we've done work today, We've contributed,

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<v Speaker 1>We've made you all better, smarter, people. I'm very proud

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<v Speaker 1>of us, But let's move on from stroking our own

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<v Speaker 1>egos to stroking our fan base because we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>regional fishing report that we're excited about. This one, we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done one well. Difference as as the majority of

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<v Speaker 1>listeners have caught onto at least, I think our regional

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<v Speaker 1>reports give us license to to just do some satire

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<v Speaker 1>and some fiction, to have a little fun. However, this

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<v Speaker 1>week's report is a legit. Its report is a loose

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<v Speaker 1>term here. It's more of a commentary. But uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys might recall a news piece that Joe covered not

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<v Speaker 1>long ago on on the West Virginia gold Rush. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about how West Virginia stocks just these insane

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<v Speaker 1>numbers of genetically modified golden trout pretty much more than

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<v Speaker 1>any other state, and listener Zack Smith felt it was

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<v Speaker 1>his duty as a West Virginia native to clarify why

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia is so nuts so for bright orange freak

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<v Speaker 1>rainbow trout. And Zach actually got his first shout out

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<v Speaker 1>on this show a long time ago. Some of you

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<v Speaker 1>may remember he sent us an article that he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>about chummy for trout um. But after this after the

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<v Speaker 1>after the audio's act. Don't be shocked if we make

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<v Speaker 1>him our our full time appellation correspondent. Hey, Fellers, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just y'all's favorite trout trummer, Zach from West by God, Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are recently touched upon a topic that's hotter

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<v Speaker 1>here than the Taco bell fire sauce. They using my

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<v Speaker 1>microwab golden trout, and that's the West Virginia gold rush,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Now, First, and they explained why we've always

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<v Speaker 1>stalked a higher proportion of goldie's in the other states.

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<v Speaker 1>And no, it ain't because we're a bunch of inbred

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<v Speaker 1>genetic deficiencies who enjoy fishing for other inbred genetic deficiencies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that would just be a quaintie dick. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually because of our affinity to the color gold, not

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<v Speaker 1>the mineral. We ain't got golden into our hills, were

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<v Speaker 1>sure as hell got cold. I mean, the two may rhyme,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's about the limit to their relationship. So the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to explain our affinity to the color, let's

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<v Speaker 1>use a religious analogy to flesh this out. So in

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia, God is w vs football coach and Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>is our w V basketball coach. So God, Jesus and

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<v Speaker 1>all the other disciples will they wear blue and gold

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<v Speaker 1>uniforms now they out come with the game on Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>will impact what you're saying in your head on your

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<v Speaker 1>knees in church on Sunday. Thus, the color gold holds

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<v Speaker 1>a special place in our hearts. And let me tell

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<v Speaker 1>you this, once our d n R figures out a

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<v Speaker 1>way to pread blue trial, West Virginia will truly have

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<v Speaker 1>exceeded our slogan of almost head, because at that time

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna petition to have our slogan changed too. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that song by Apple of the Dog say Hello

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<v Speaker 1>to Heaven. That's right now. The funny thing about that

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<v Speaker 1>is that there are actually blue trout like I remember

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote about them years ago, and I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's a genetic mutation that naturally occurs in hatchery trout,

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<v Speaker 1>which seems like an oxy moron. I'd i'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>go re research, but I think, um, it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>hatcheries can create all the golden trout, they want all

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<v Speaker 1>the orange ones, but they can't create the blue trout

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<v Speaker 1>on demand. That just kind of happens naturally, but only

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<v Speaker 1>the truck trout, and and I've seen it written about

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<v Speaker 1>most occurring in Pennsylvania hatcheries. So Zach will have to

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<v Speaker 1>get a merry, merry band of coal miners together and

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<v Speaker 1>hop the border and go on a rogue stocking mission.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that would that would really close the loop.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're you're, you're right on the blue trout thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a random mutation that occurs in about

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<v Speaker 1>point zero zero zero zero seven hatchery rainbow, so very rare.

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<v Speaker 1>And and as you're saying, at least in Pennsylvania, they

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<v Speaker 1>try to remove all the blue mutants from the stock

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<v Speaker 1>before they plant the fish, like they don't want those

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the trucks and out into the streams. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the reason behind that, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>they don't. They don't want them getting out in the wild.

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<v Speaker 1>But your chances of catching one are very rare. So

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<v Speaker 1>that piece was a great fallow up too to the

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<v Speaker 1>news story. Ran how about we uh, how about we

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<v Speaker 1>stick with theme here, Let's do a follow up to

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<v Speaker 1>a sale bin we did not too long ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just we're just taking deep dives on previous segments here,

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<v Speaker 1>but this one is a gem. This is so freaking good,

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<v Speaker 1>this is amazing. I hope that all of you remember

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<v Speaker 1>the ad we covered from craig List, written by Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Jared with the g Who's selling? Who's selling? Used canoe?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, we've learned there's more to the Jerry saga.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot here we kind of dug in thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to some help. And if you need either a used

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<v Speaker 1>canoe or a cup of tea, you gotta go can

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<v Speaker 1>But Jerry, why did you put the hand to pay

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know what I'm getting. Man, you didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be so hurtful with me, so angry. So a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks back, we did a sale bin about Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>and he was the guy selling a canoe with no

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<v Speaker 1>photo but a very compelling, if poorly copy edited Craigslist ad,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, Jerry gave us the idea for our Billy

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<v Speaker 1>Wants a Shotgun stickers, which are coming soon. I can

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<v Speaker 1>I can promise you that many of you expressed interest

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<v Speaker 1>in this sticker, as we knew you would, Billy Wants Shotgun. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>After airing that segment, we got this email that, uh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just dig into it here. It came from a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Bryan Adams, whose name we're trying really hard

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<v Speaker 1>not to make fun of right now. But you must

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<v Speaker 1>really love his music. Huh yeah, he's He's he's pretty,

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<v Speaker 1>He's pretty good. I guess your gut am right, he is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Brian can not help myself anyway. Bryan Adams

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<v Speaker 1>rode into inform us that Jerry's post was not a

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<v Speaker 1>random one off drunken lark like we thought it was. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out Jerry runs a regular satirical canoe sale

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<v Speaker 1>operation out of his house and uh and best of all,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian has actually met Jerry. And here here's what what

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<v Speaker 1>Brian wrote us. He said, you missed the mark on

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry slightly. He has been running ads for use canoes

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<v Speaker 1>for well over a year, started pre COVID. He actually

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<v Speaker 1>buys and sells quite a few of them, gets beat

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<v Speaker 1>up ones for cheap hammers the dents out, and makes

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<v Speaker 1>a few bucks. I know because I traded one with

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<v Speaker 1>him last spring and made the swap at a Trent

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<v Speaker 1>And gas station. So he actually does sell canoes and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them, but is just looking for conversation

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<v Speaker 1>you nailed that part. Yeah. Well, so Unfortunately Brian didn't

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<v Speaker 1>elaborate on his exchange with Jerry. I know station, and

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, right, this is like I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in Trenton, My childhood home was in Trenton. This is

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<v Speaker 1>my turf, and I gotta say, um that that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>like the most benign handoff that's ever happened at a

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<v Speaker 1>Trenton gas station because I've spent some time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at Trenton liquor stores before I was of age, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so it is what it is, um, But

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<v Speaker 1>I I can't imagine wanting to spend more than two

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<v Speaker 1>minutes at a Trenton gas station. And I can't help

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<v Speaker 1>but wonder how long Brian Adams got stuck there, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what did they talk about? That's sadly we don't know. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian didn't include those details, but he did send us

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<v Speaker 1>links to a few more posts that Jerry has put

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<v Speaker 1>up over the years. Yes, yes he did, and we

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<v Speaker 1>thank him very much that we edited some of those

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<v Speaker 1>together so that you can better understand and and further

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the unstable genius of Jerry the Craigslist canoe guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and before you read these, I got worried because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, man, Billy wants a shotgun was real good?

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<v Speaker 1>What if the stickers are being made and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>better Jerry one liner in here? But I'm still pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sold on Billy wants to show. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there's a better one liner. But I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>we have more to to build on the lower of Jerry.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So so here we go, without further ado,

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<v Speaker 1>some some of Jerry's greatest hits. Last year, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of canoes laying around. Yes, I do have

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<v Speaker 1>a mental problem involving canoes. So I ran these strange

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<v Speaker 1>ads and tried to make them funny and invited everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to have a cup of tea in my backyard. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up selling a lot of canoes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>met so many fine people. I sell Coleman's, Grumman's Old Towns,

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<v Speaker 1>and all manner of fiberglass canoes. I try to keep

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<v Speaker 1>them around three hundred bucks. If you see an aluminum

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<v Speaker 1>canoe on Craigslist for six d I will have the

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<v Speaker 1>same canoe for three. If you don't like my ads,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. You can buy a canoe somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not the only guy in America selling canoes, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go on here. I had a guy bitch and

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<v Speaker 1>moan at me for pretending to be clever, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was told I should just post a picture. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to post a picture. I will be sixty shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who wrote me and bitched me out is

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a douse, light, a shush, laugh, a buzz kill,

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<v Speaker 1>and to kill joy, probably sexually frustrated in Wonder's whoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody likes him. I know why I have to fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>foot smoker canoes. I like that name. I imagine myself

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<v Speaker 1>headed down a Class five set of rapids in Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>or possibly Tanzania. To the right, a waterfall in certain Death.

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<v Speaker 1>To the left, just a Titanic set of rapids, or

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<v Speaker 1>was it the other way around. Remember I'm almost sixty

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<v Speaker 1>and forget a lot of stuff. So to stimulate those neurons,

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<v Speaker 1>I calmly whip out my zippo and my soft pack

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<v Speaker 1>of camels and light up a cigy while battling five

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<v Speaker 1>foot waves in whirlpools. Life jacket, you asked, those are

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<v Speaker 1>for young children, and we will we will just say whimps,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a smoker in a smoker get it, ha,

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<v Speaker 1>These smokers are fine canoes. One is painted green and

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<v Speaker 1>the other just aluminum. Come buy one and hit the

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<v Speaker 1>rapids while having a hot tea. I am Jerry. Come

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<v Speaker 1>out chat while you buy a canoe and go enjoy America.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, they're so good. We're gonna We're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>a couple others really quick. I can't help myself. The

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<v Speaker 1>context The title for this next one was glad, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a soda can canoe. Okay, so here's how this

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<v Speaker 1>one's gonna go. Originally this ad was glad, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a beer can canoe. Some self righteous bastard must not

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<v Speaker 1>have liked the word beer and flagged my ad. What

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<v Speaker 1>insert your personal expletive. No one forces you to like

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<v Speaker 1>the ad, so just move on and do whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>hell it is you do with your life. Loser, Now

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<v Speaker 1>to the ad. Imagine you were a piece of aluminum

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<v Speaker 1>or even some box side, or would you rather be

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<v Speaker 1>a soda can or a canoe? Soda cans crushed up

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<v Speaker 1>and thrown in landfills, or recycled into more soda cans,

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<v Speaker 1>or made into seven thirty seven maxes. Canoes can live forever,

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<v Speaker 1>pleasing their owners and becoming much loved family members for generations. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>last one, I'm gonna do one more. That's the one.

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<v Speaker 1>What an outstanding weekend. Several people came out, bought canoes,

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<v Speaker 1>and went out and had fun. They took control of

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<v Speaker 1>their lives and told their partners to either hop in

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<v Speaker 1>a canoe and have fun, or go hide in a

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<v Speaker 1>corner and make sad weeping noises back to the canoe.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an older old town. That should indicate to

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<v Speaker 1>you that this canoe is made of tough, hard light fiberglass.

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<v Speaker 1>It is red in all caps. It's about thirteen feet

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<v Speaker 1>and four inches. Many people I have found like the

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<v Speaker 1>short canoes, easily handled, stored, and thrown about. The guys

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<v Speaker 1>look for the thirteen foot canoes and think they are

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty ft long. Something about the male perception of length. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you take it over Niagara Falls, you probably will die.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume no liability for such behavior. So swing on

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<v Speaker 1>by by it, have a blast in nature, feel the joy,

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<v Speaker 1>and send me a picture of your first outing. I

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<v Speaker 1>will give you a cup of tea to go. H oh, jerry.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're out there and you're listening. You put the

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<v Speaker 1>craft in online, use watercraft sales. I will drink a

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<v Speaker 1>hot toddy to you, sir. Yeah. I second that. Maybe this,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this eventually leads to Jerry on the show. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know, but a big, a big thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to Brian Adams for alerting us to the depth

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<v Speaker 1>of Jerry's catalog. This is for you, Brian. It's true

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<v Speaker 1>everything do it fun the best thing to come from

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<v Speaker 1>that for me. Where the terms douse light and shush laugh?

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I'm gonna start using them, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, hey man, you're such a shush laugh douse light?

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<v Speaker 1>Over here? Where? Who says that? Where is it? What

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<v Speaker 1>is that? I think I think you're kind of undermine

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of those, like when you drop in front

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<v Speaker 1>of them, they're like, dounse light is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>insults that sounds dirty but isn't, Like that's the whole

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<v Speaker 1>point of it, Like, oh, that dude's a douse light.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like you're saying something you shouldn't, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not that. I like those. I'm a fan of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, I think I would like to work those

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<v Speaker 1>into my vernacular as well. Uh, and hopefully you won't

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<v Speaker 1>be calling me either a doubts letter shows laugh after

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<v Speaker 1>I completely destroy you in the weekly competition that we

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<v Speaker 1>call fish News. Fish news that escalated quickly. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>before we hit news, just a couple of things we

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<v Speaker 1>got to cover first. I have some very sad news

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<v Speaker 1>to report. You might remember that in the the inaugural

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<v Speaker 1>installment of our That's My Bar segment, I shouted out

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<v Speaker 1>the sipp and dip in Great Falls, Montana and the

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<v Speaker 1>iconic and venerable piano Pat who brought so much joy

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<v Speaker 1>to drinkers and parties for over fifty years. I'm sad

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<v Speaker 1>to say Pat died earlier this week, and in a

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<v Speaker 1>rare if there's if there's an upside to this, which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she She died peacefully, all reports indicate with

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<v Speaker 1>her family, so that's great. But if there's an upside

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<v Speaker 1>in a rare showing of bipartisan agreement, every single major

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<v Speaker 1>politician in the state of Montana, both Republican and Democrat,

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<v Speaker 1>paid tribute to her, every single one. Uh. And I'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>like achieving that nearly impossible feet just shows how universally

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>beloved she was here in Montana. Uh, and how much

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<v Speaker 1>we all love drinking in bars, so please just how

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<v Speaker 1>about how about everybody right now take a minute and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and join us in raising a drink to Pat.

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<v Speaker 1>I when I heard about this, I was personally sad

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<v Speaker 1>because I will never get to experience this. Like since

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<v Speaker 1>this first came up, I was like, one day after

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<v Speaker 1>the COVID's whenever it may be, like, I will get

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<v Speaker 1>out there and I want to go to this bar.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go to a lot of the bars

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<v Speaker 1>we've covered, but that one has always stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 1>People have even suggested since then, they're like, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to have piano pat on. What a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 1>would would do with her on this show? We considered it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's sad. It's sad. It's sad. Um So sorry

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<v Speaker 1>sorry to have to pass that news on, but it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed important to let everybody know. Uh. I also need

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<v Speaker 1>to make a correction on a story I reported last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I erroneously claimed that the two and forty pound lake

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<v Speaker 1>sturgeon caught by US Fish and Wildlife sampling crew was

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<v Speaker 1>brought in on Rod and Reel. I think that was magical,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I was being overly positive. I don't know, I will,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say to you. When I read that story,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of vague, like I interpreted it that

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<v Speaker 1>way too. They had a whole thing about fighting the

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>fish and bringing it in, and I just made an

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<v Speaker 1>assumption that they were doing it on rod and reel.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, listener, Jason Kitechuck or Kitchuck, I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a former employee of the Detroit office of the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Fish Wildlife Service. Very politely, thank you, Jason, very politely

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<v Speaker 1>informed me that the fish was actually caught on a

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<v Speaker 1>set line. So Joe and my dream of going and

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<v Speaker 1>being part of a sampling crew that's catching these fish

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<v Speaker 1>on rod and reel, that's probably not ever gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So another another dream doused dashed at the head of

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<v Speaker 1>this No doubts remember doust like dolls l shush laugh, Yes, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, so that's what we got up top and

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<v Speaker 1>moving on to fish news. Just a little reminder, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a competition. Joe and I do not know which

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<v Speaker 1>stories the other person is bringing to the table, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are competing for the admiration, the love and the

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<v Speaker 1>attention of our audio engineer, Phil who at the end

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<v Speaker 1>will crown one of us the Grand Champ winner for

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<v Speaker 1>the week. Uh, and I think it's you this week.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to lead off? It is It is my

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<v Speaker 1>It is my lead off. Um, So we'll get right

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<v Speaker 1>down to it. This has got to be one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most interesting poaching stories I've ever come across because

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<v Speaker 1>it has a It has a different twist than like

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<v Speaker 1>the usual, you know, like bunch of ship heads losing

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 1>their licenses and being racked with fines they most likely

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>won't ever pay anyway, like when they hit the guys

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>at the bridge here in Jersey. That's typically what happens.

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>So this one, this one though, this comes from the

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Florida Keys, and I found the story on the website

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>of the Miami Herald and for starters. The culprit's name

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 1>is Henry dan Zig. No, how lucky is that? How

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:32.160
<v Speaker 1>blessed must he feel on a daily basis? I mean

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Glenn Danzig. His his real last name is Ann Zwini,

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>so they're not related because he added the Danzig later.

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 1>This guy's real birth name is Henry Danzig, which is

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>completely irrelevant to the rest of the story, but I'm

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:48.640
<v Speaker 1>a Danzig fan, so anyway, here's what happened, right. Danzig

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>is a hardcore I'm gonna do it every I know

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm gonna try to get through it. Danzig

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.120
<v Speaker 1>is a hardcore, lifelong angler that lives in Tavern here,

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 1>and according to the story, he fished so much that

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 1>he actually kept a fridge in his yard that he

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 1>would stock with fresh filets, and anyone in the area,

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.640
<v Speaker 1>uh in need of a meal could always pop by

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>and grab some of Danzig's catch of the day for

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>your charge. He was also known on occasion to cook

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.639
<v Speaker 1>inexpensive fish dishes made from the fish he caught at

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>a small diner in the area that he co owns.

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>But it turns out that as generous as Danzig was

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.639
<v Speaker 1>with his haul, he spent a lot of time fishing

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.919
<v Speaker 1>in Bohemian waters, and he got busted by the coast

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Guard last May for bringing back five pounds of reef

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>fish from the Castle Bank in the Bahamas. Now that's

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 1>not all at once, mind you. That's sort of like

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the grand tally that the coast he's estimate, uh, since

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>they sort of caught onto what he was doing the

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>day he got boarded. Danzig and his son and three

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>friends had a hundred and sixty seven reef fish of

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>various species on board, but he didn't have a license

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to fish in Bohamian waters according to the documents on board.

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>And as I understand this, if he had just been

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>giving the fish away, it sounds like he'd have only

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>had to deal with not having the proper Bahamian license.

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>But because he was occasionally selling it in his restaurant

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>for commercial gains, it means a charge of a legal

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>commercial fishing kind of sticks like he sort of violated

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 1>the Lacy Act, which bands trafficking in a legal fish

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 1>and wildlife right now, according to his lawyer, Dan Gelbert,

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>as as he got busted, Danzig fest up. Delbert says,

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, he gives most of his fish away to neighbors,

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>local organizations, businesses, and friends. But but Danzig knew they

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>had him on the sale thing. And and here's what

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 1>he had to say. Quote from the piece, he says,

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I was fishing where I shouldn't have been. We are

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 1>all stewards of our beautiful waterways and I should have

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>known better. Now, according to his lawyer, he fully cooperated

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>with authorities and immediately asked what he could do to

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>make this right. So here's what he did. He struck

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>a plea agreement with the U. S. Attorney General's Office.

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Now Danzig might sound like a diner owning fish head

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>keys bum, but he's actually a Morgan Stanley financial advisor.

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>So he was like, hey, how's about I buy the

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Royal Bahamian Defense Force a brand new thirty ft contender

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>tournament with twin Yamaha to fifty four strokes is an apology,

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>and the Royal Bahamian Defense Forces were like, sure, okay,

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>So he bought them a boat that will help them

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 1>catch more poachers. That is the specific purpose of this

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>go fast boat is to help the Bahamian authorities catch

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:52.719
<v Speaker 1>more poachers like Danzig. Now, to afford that boat, he

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 1>had to sell his own boat, which was a thirty

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>nine ft contender called Bodacious. That boat was, of course,

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>involved in his own crime, so guess it's it's like

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>part of his sort of wiping the slate clean and

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>starting over. And Danzig also won't be serving any jail

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>time because of his quote extensive record of service to

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>his community, which included fundraisers and giving jobs to young

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>people at his restaurant. Okay, Apparently several Tavernier residents showed

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>up to his sentencing and they were all like, yeah,

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>he's he's a real good dude. Gives me fishing stuff,

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>good guy, don't throw him in jail, and that that

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of work. So, uh, I don't quite know how

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel about this. To be honest, it doesn't sound

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>like he's screwed up once, you know what I mean. Like,

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.719
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like, over the long course of time, he

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>was routinely running to Bohemian waters and bringing back loads

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>of fish without a license. So I'm torn between you know,

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>he's a good guy that made a bad mistake and

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>good on him for righting his wrongs, or he actually

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>knew dan well what he was doing and just happens

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 1>to be lucky enough to sort of buy his way

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>out of it. I don't really know which one it is,

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>but I have never heard a case like that be

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>be rectified by dude going, let me buy you a

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>three thousand dollar book. Call it good. Okay, Yeah, I'm

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I can feel like my own perception of this is

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like a swinging pendulum, because on the one hand, I'm

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>like serial poacher, he knows what he's doing, it's the

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 1>serial thing. It's not like he went out there and

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>like one day he was like, oh my god, I

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't know I was supposed to be here, but I've

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>never been here before. Courton the Coast Guard makes it

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>sound like they had proof that he was routinely running

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 1>into behavian waters with no license, so like he knew

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>what he was doing and he was he knew it

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:48.239
<v Speaker 1>was across crossing the line literally in figuratively. But I

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>also wish that the response of every poacher was akin

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>to this one. Well sure to like, it's not the

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 1>we all we all do wrong. I don't, I don't

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 1>care who you are. We we all sin and and

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>cause other people's arm and cross the line from time

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to time. But it's it's how you respond to that

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that really matters. And I think that, uh, this is

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a shining example of responding. Possibly the other The other

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>place my mind goes, though, is that this guy has

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the means to do that. He's not poaching fish because

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>he's real hungry, right, and and not everybody has the

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>ability to just be like, look here's a boat. Yeah,

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and look we've talked on this show before. I have

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>some captain buddies down there that you know, when they

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>were running, especially during the COVID pandemic, Like if they

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>had extra fish, they would throw on Facebook, like we

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>have some extra Kingmac, we have whatever if anybody in

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>town needs fish. So it seems like for everything this

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>this dan Zig dude is done. There's like a tiny

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>counter argument, like I commend you for having a fridge

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>where locals can come get fresh fish for free. Absolutely

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 1>also pointed out contactless delivery during the pandemic. It's like

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't even have to talk to dan Zig. Dan

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Zigg is inside doing Danzig things. You can just show

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>up and grab you some yellow tail snapper. But like

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>that much of it, like you're you're catching, like you're

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>supplying an awful lot of people. It sounds like like

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a lot of fish. Why don't need five

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds of fish that you're mostly giving away? This

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>as a very complicated character. I would like to I

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 1>would like to interview him. I would, I really would.

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I would love to be able to sit down and

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>just kind of pick Danzig's brain. We'll pick Glenn Danzig

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>against Henry dan Zigg in a in a point counterpoint

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>on fish poaching. I like it, So can you arrange

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that Danzig? Did you get on the Danzig Show? Danzig episode?

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's there's more to the story. We won't

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>figure it all out today, but it's like just had

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>me going, oh good for him? Oh yeah, yeah, No.

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I love the complexity of this when it's not a

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>simple good guy bad guys seeing well done, Bahama is

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>good on you enjoy that conder with twin to fifty

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>yamahas go catch some poachers. Um. I think that the

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>bridge between that story and my next one is unsustainable

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>harvest of fish and finding ways clean simple bridge, make

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 1>that to make that work? Uh? And this one that

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk about, Dude, I've been so stuck on

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the c Spiracy thing, like I can't get it out

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>of my head, and how annoyed I am about it,

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>and I just keep finding myself like in my mind

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>arguing with the makers of c Spiracy all the time,

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>which is pointless and dumb because they're wrong. But have

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you watched it multiple times? No, just the ones. I

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>don't want to do it again. I just want to

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:58.280
<v Speaker 1>be watching it over and over. It's an ongoing dialogue

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>in my head with people who don't know eggs ist

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 1>and me telling them why they're wrong and creating problematic propaganda.

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna talk about another example of science disagreeing

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>with that c spiracy propaganda. A study recently published in

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the journal Marine Policy suggests a potentially effective solution for

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>maintaining sustainable fish stocks in marine ecosystems, even in areas

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that are being unsustainably fished. And just to be clear, no,

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>the answer is not ending all fish harvest and to

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 1>stop eating fish. That's not the answer. In fact, this

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>research seems to suggest that implementing strict protections in a

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>limited part of an area can produce significant positive impacts

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 1>on the fish population across the whole area. Researchers in

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Kenya wanted to figure out which management tools could provide

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the greatest benefit to their fair stocks, so they looked

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>at these two distinct areas where different regulations on commercial

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 1>fishermen were being aggressively enforced. In one area, they had

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>fishing gear restrictions, including a ban on fine meshed nets

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>and another gear that's considered destructive, and another area, the

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>gear went totally unrestricted, but thirty percent of the fishing

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>grounds were set aside as a no take marine protected

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 1>area where fishermen were not allowed to harvest any life

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>at all. And the results of this were stark. Fish

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>populations in the area with the protected zone rose by

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 1>forty two huge jump, and individual catch rates for for

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the individual fishermen fishing there increased twenty five times faster

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 1>than in the area with gear restrictions. So that's that's

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>those are staggering, I can say like that, that's huge.

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>According to the researchers, no take protected areas were quote

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>far more effective at sustaining stocks of fish than restricting

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 1>destructive gear. And here's how it worked. The different regulations

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 1>were implemented in two different counties, which from what I

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.239
<v Speaker 1>can gather is that the terminology that Kenya uses to

0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>divide up their fishing zones. Researchers monitored a half dozen

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:30.839
<v Speaker 1>boat landing sites in each county, recording fish catches at

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.399
<v Speaker 1>each and and here's the really unique aspect that makes

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>these findings particularly valuable. The team monitored these fisheries and

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:44.760
<v Speaker 1>regulations for twenty four years before publishing the results, making

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>this the longest ever longitudinal study of detailed fish catches

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>for an inshore marine area. No kidding, that's wow. Twenty

0:37:54.600 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 1>four years years, take that ship at Spiracy, read some

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:04.320
<v Speaker 1>online articles, and spend six months flying around the country

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the world. The time and resources required to conduct multidecade

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>studies like this have previously impeded testing the long term

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>effectiveness of no take marine protected areas. Right like m

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 1>p as have been a hot topic for a while,

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>but no one's ever had the ability to study them

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>for this long. Most research on mp as has been

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>based on much shorter duration studies or on simulation models. Interestingly,

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the findings of this research actually support what those simulations

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 1>have suggested. According to the studies lead author Dr Tim Clanahan, quote,

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the not take area in Mombassa occupied thirty percent of

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the studied fishing grounds. Fortuitously, this is the target for

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 1>protection being proposed for the oceans, which is rarely tested

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and based on the results of simulation models. The empirical

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>support for the models and the conservation proposal is reassuring.

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Adds to the evidence that no take protected areas of

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 1>sufficient coverage may compensate for the lost fishing grounds, particularly

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 1>when fisheries are not sustainably fished. So This is just

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 1>one study in one particular area, but it seems like

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 1>a pretty damn comprehensive and compelling one. It seems to

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.879
<v Speaker 1>suggest that if we can find a way to successfully

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.399
<v Speaker 1>protect thirty percent of the world's oceans for at least

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a couple of decades, the resulting increased productivity in the

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.759
<v Speaker 1>other seventy percent of the fisheries will more than make

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>up for what we lose in fishing areas. And I'm

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>not like, I'm not being all Pollyanna. I'm not saying

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 1>that would be easy. Like the feasibility of trying to

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>do that and enforce it is huge. Yeah, And that's

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>what pops into my head. It's like, okay, great plan. Now,

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.320
<v Speaker 1>like if you just take one fishery, like bluefin in

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>the US, it's like, how do you decide who gets

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>stuck with thet of protected area, you know, off their coasts?

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like figuring out which areas need that protection

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 1>has got to be mess. It's it's it's it's a mess. There,

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>there's there's no question. And and but the thing is like,

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 1>at least this offers some hope. Yeah, right, and this

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 1>is this is what we need more of in my opinion,

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 1>we we need informed research that says like, hey, we

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.280
<v Speaker 1>can deal with these massive problems if we can find

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>ways to implement the changes, and and I find that

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 1>far more productive and inspiring and effective than I don't know, say,

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:31.799
<v Speaker 1>emotional and fear based media screaming that the oceans in

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the planet are doomed and it's all your fault because

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>you ate sushi last night like that. That's not going

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to guess where we need to be. It's it's movements

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>like this and say, hey, we suggest that if we

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>can find a way to set aside, there's hope. That's

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>what gets people going. That's what gets ship done, not

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 1>not scaring the pants off of everyone and tell them

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 1>that they're evil. I wish more people would would hear

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>this and get behind this, as opposed to the headlines

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that the sspiracy kid is making now demanding that the

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 1>president just like shut down all seafood something like that,

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 1>like just demanding demanding we're just walking away from science altogether.

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:12.399
<v Speaker 1>It's just who cares? Who cares what science? To say?

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel that I'm right, yeah, well, very very uplifting,

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and the twenty four years is sticking with me, like

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:26.759
<v Speaker 1>that's like, that's hard to mess with. Twenty years to

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 1>me seems like such a such the right amount of time. Again,

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I always go back to snakeheads, but twenty years ago

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 1>they were going to destroy the entire East Coast. Twenty

0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 1>years is a long time, and now look how that's

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>come around. So like, if you have that much data

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:44.840
<v Speaker 1>that many years to decades worth, that's much much harder

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 1>to argue with population dynamics change slowly. You've got to

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>have a time scale to really look at that in

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:59.399
<v Speaker 1>a way that makes any sense exactly. You did talk

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:03.359
<v Speaker 1>about gear are restrictions though, So I'm gonna transition into

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 1>self imposed gear restrictions, things I say you should not

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:10.760
<v Speaker 1>be using. I like the thing we're moving into Joe's

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>personal opinion on gear here, All right, what do you got?

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 1>We are? And sometimes I feel like I'm beating a

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 1>dead horse by ragging on technologically advanced lawyers. But it's

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like kind of become it's kind of become my beat.

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Like the loyal listeners of Bent have come to expect

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 1>that I will keep them apprized of horseshittery coming down

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the pike in Laura gimmickry, so I'm doing it's this

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>is my duty. Not long ago, I did that story

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>about the hackers hacking into the smart heater and the

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Casino fish tank. Remember that, and you made fun of

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.120
<v Speaker 1>me a little bit because it had so little to

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:48.280
<v Speaker 1>do with fishing, though it was worth it for fills.

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Nod to Ocean's eleven alone. Okay, that that was the

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 1>best fill response we've ever had. Anyway, when when I

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 1>did that report, I said, everything keeps getting smarter and smarter.

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>So we've talked about animated lures and robotic lures on

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>this show. But the Model zero from Japanese company wait

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 1>for it, smart lure, it's not just a clever name,

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:16.800
<v Speaker 1>has leveled the game up. Okay, you're animated lure is

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.239
<v Speaker 1>now in Nokia. It is already obsolete, and this is

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the iPhone thirties. So I will spare us the pr

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>speak in the beginning of this article on New Atlas

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>dot com about how the biggest problem facing anglers everywhere

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 1>is keeping track of which strategies work. Okay, we don't,

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 1>we've heard that before. We'll just we'll cut to the chase.

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.319
<v Speaker 1>The Model zero is a pretty big jerk. Bait style lure,

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and it looks very similar to a like a Yourssouri

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:45.719
<v Speaker 1>crystal minnow if you guys can picture that, if you

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>know what that looks like. On the back, however, is

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 1>this weird hinge metal maybe plastic metallic fin that I

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>assume is supposed to kick back and forth like a tail,

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 1>But to me, it's so awkward. It looks like it

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:00.320
<v Speaker 1>would get in the way of the fish getting the

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>rear hook. And of course, the Model zero is super smart.

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Here's what it does. It monitors the depth it reached

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 1>during every retrieve. It's exact movement patterns like speed, amount

0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of pauses, etcetera, water temperature and the amount of sunlight

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>penetrating the water at whatever depth it was running at.

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 1>After the retrieve, simply hold the Model zero next to

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 1>your phone and it transferred all that data into an

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>archive in the smart lorder app. Furthermore, and this is

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the best part, it has a GPS function and instantly

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>creates a map showing the tracks of everywhere it's been

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>so and we've all been here. If you're like, wait,

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 1>did I already cast under that tree? You just fire

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>up your phone, fire up the app, and you'll know

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and be like I did, I already put one under

0:44:55.600 --> 0:45:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that tree. I say, this takes more time just throwing

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>an extra cast up under that tree. Or look at

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>pulling out your phone and looking at your map and

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 1>being like, oh, I did already. Like this is what

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, right Like, this is why this this stuff

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 1>is so stupid. Um, And I gotta tell you there's

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 1>there's a video in the article with just a couple

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.759
<v Speaker 1>of seconds of underwater footage, and I'm here to tell

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>you the Model Zero it swims like ass like it's

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 1>not good, Like it does not have good action, like

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>it seems to me like they very strategically did not

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 1>give you a lot of underwater clips of it moving

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think it moves very well. The company's slogan,

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>by the way, which I I'm sure was lost in

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Japanese to English translation, is for anglers who love the

0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 1>discoveries at fishing is the company's slogan. UM. You can

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 1>also share your data with all the other fraction of

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.240
<v Speaker 1>a percent of people who are using the Model zero

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 1>in your area. But my favorite part of the article

0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 1>was was this of warning right direct quote. While this

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:06.280
<v Speaker 1>is an interesting concept. It should of course be noted

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:10.720
<v Speaker 1>that anglers regularly lose lures when larger fish snapped the line,

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:14.440
<v Speaker 1>or when the lures get snagged on underwater objects, to

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 1>which I say, why don't you make it smart enough

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 1>to avoid underwater objects? Smart guy, Okay, and then it

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 1>goes on. Additionally, because the technology is specific to the

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Model zero lure, users can't gather data on the performance

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>of lures made by other manufacturers. No ship, I mean

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that's like the no kid. You don't say um now

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>if you want one, which you don't, because this is

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 1>a muskie striper's size lure. It's a giant lure, and

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 1>it has to be as these things usually start out.

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 1>It has to be big because you're fitting like a

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:55.160
<v Speaker 1>motherboard and chips and all kinds of stuff inside the lure.

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 1>But if you did want one, you can purchase one

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>right now on Kickstarter hundred and forty bucks for one

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Model zero leveling up smart Lord's right there. Wow uh

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:12.800
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah. This thing sounds essentially worthless and stupid. But

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>my concern here is, as we know, technology continues to

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 1>improve and get smaller and more efficient, and what if

0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 1>every rattle trap you buy in the future. Don't see it.

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Don't see it because because I because I am convinced,

0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>right and I will, I will die on this hill.

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I am convinced that all these things will only ever

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 1>really cater to like people who peripherally fish, or like

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:42.760
<v Speaker 1>this gimmicky stuff, or or get sold on the idea

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that this is going to take them from a zero

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:49.400
<v Speaker 1>at fishing to a hero. Whereas real died in the wool.

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Anglers are never going to jump on this. What about

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the tournament scene, because tournament angling dictates what's cool and

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.879
<v Speaker 1>popular and fishing, and tournament anglers will adopt any technology

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:04.919
<v Speaker 1>that I think gives them a leg up because there's

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 1>money on the line, right, But I think we're a

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 1>long way away from this being accepted as standards in

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>practice in fishing, and in the meantime, I don't see

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 1>tournaments allowing this kind of thing, not right now anyway.

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>M hm, you know No, I hope you're right. I

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:28.919
<v Speaker 1>hope I hope that doesn't doesn't happen, and I hope

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 1>you continue to stay on this beat. I enjoy this

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 1>beat very much like we don't tell these stories if

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I see them, because I'm like, oh, Joe's got that.

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, we do what we do a lot of

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.439
<v Speaker 1>gimmick bashing on here and and I enjoy it very much.

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 1>But again, like to your point, like we look at

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this stuff, like the zombade we've brought

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 1>that up. I don't know any serious hardcore offshore captains

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 1>who hurried up to buy that, and that's been around

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:58.280
<v Speaker 1>for a while. So that's how I feel about this stuff,

0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's it's not really being made for people

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>who seriously fish, at least not yet. I think that's

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's that last piece that that concerns me. But

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.879
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be because, like you said, it's not happening now,

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 1>so why worry about something that may or made a

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>hype in the future. Good. So that's I mean, you're

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>you're you're reporting on the collection of data in a

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 1>way that I think is is potentially problematic. My final

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.680
<v Speaker 1>story is also about the collection of data and fish,

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 1>but in a way that I think is just fantastic.

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I might have a new favorite fishing state, even though

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never ever fished there. I also I also might

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 1>have a new fishing hero, even though I've never even

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>met the guy. But I'll explain it all. You just

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 1>came out here, so it's obviously not New Jersey and

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you've met me, so clearly I'm not your hero. No,

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 1>this is not an homage to why you're my hero. Sorry,

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I just recently learned about the Virginia game fish tagging program.

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Are you familiar with this? I'm not all You're in

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 1>for a treat. Frequent listeners to this show will know how.

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:08.879
<v Speaker 1>Like Joe likes gimmicks, I love citizen science and and

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the role that that anglers can play in monitoring managing fisheries.

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that's so cool because I mean, it's the

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>two things we look for at the market. I got

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.799
<v Speaker 1>for gimmicks and you're looking for citizens season Scie. Does

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:26.080
<v Speaker 1>anyone anyone? But for as much as I love it,

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 1>And we've talked about some programs in the past, very

0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:32.240
<v Speaker 1>few states effectively leverage, in my opinion, the potential value

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 1>of their anglers, and and it seems like maybe none

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 1>do it as well as Virginia. So back in the

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, leadership from the Virginia Marine Resources Commission, the

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Virginia Institute of Marine Sciences, and the Virginia saltwater Fishing

0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:50.799
<v Speaker 1>tournament started kicking around the idea of developing a program

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 1>that would involve sport anglers and tagging and monitoring red

0:50:54.280 --> 0:51:00.359
<v Speaker 1>fish populations. Fast forward along ways in the Virginia Game

0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Fish Tagging Program officially began with the scope of mission

0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that was ended up being far beyond just keeping an

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.720
<v Speaker 1>eye on local red fish. The program trains and equips

0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 1>a group of about a hundred experienced anglers as volunteer

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 1>fish taggers. The anglers tag all the target species that

0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 1>they catch and releasing Virginia waters and maintain meticulous records

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 1>of the fish, like the size of the fish and

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:29.360
<v Speaker 1>the tag numbers. This group of dedicated anglers submitted nearly

0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>three hundred and fifty thousand tag records. The program also

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 1>supports significant community outreach to build awareness among all the

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 1>states marine fishers and encourage them to report any tag

0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 1>fish that they catch, so anyone who catches and calls

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 1>in a tag fish can get like a little reward

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 1>in the form of free hats and T shirts. Twenty nineteen,

0:51:56.520 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the program received over thirty five thousand recapture reports, proving

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:04.799
<v Speaker 1>once again that that we fishermen have an illogical love

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>of free hat shirts and other cheap crap, and that

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:11.080
<v Speaker 1>we really like feeling like we're part of a community.

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 1>The program gathers a huge amount of data every year

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>about local fisheries that costs researchers very little, like comparatively

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.160
<v Speaker 1>compared to what they have to spend to gather that

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:27.239
<v Speaker 1>volume of information. I think they're spending nothing. Revenue from

0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 1>fishing license sales and I'm matching grant from the Virginia

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Marine Institute of Marine Sciences pay for all the tags,

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:36.360
<v Speaker 1>education and outreach materials, data management, and of course this

0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 1>suite of free giveaway crap. The program also produces annual

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 1>reports based on the information that that they collect and

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:48.279
<v Speaker 1>and those are available to the general public, so so

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:52.120
<v Speaker 1>anglers can see they can actually see how their personal

0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 1>efforts contribute to keeping track of their local fish populations.

0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:57.560
<v Speaker 1>And I read a bunch of these reports and I

0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>found them just fascinating. It's if you geek out on

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:02.399
<v Speaker 1>this stuff like I do, you should check them out.

0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's pretty clear, like I've I've definitely made

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:08.719
<v Speaker 1>this clear. I love everything about this program, and I

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 1>wish this model were adapted and adopted all over the country.

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 1>But one of the unique and I think very smart

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 1>aspects of this program is the fitch on which they focus.

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Since two thousand, the program has collected data on redfish,

0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 1>black drum, speckled trout, flounder, kobea, black sea bass, sheepshead, spadefish,

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:30.759
<v Speaker 1>taw tog, and gray trigger fish. And that's it. You'll

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 1>notice that the marquee inshore saltwater species of Virginia straight

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:42.880
<v Speaker 1>bass not there. Straight bass populations are already heavily monitored

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 1>by a variety of local and federal agencies. And and

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the same could be said for like bluefin tuna. Right.

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 1>So this program, it's so smart. They intentionally focus on

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 1>fish that are available to people fishing both from shore

0:53:56.719 --> 0:54:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and boats, and that don't get primary intention from from

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:04.240
<v Speaker 1>fisheries researchers already, which allows it to do a great

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.759
<v Speaker 1>job filling an information gap and using anglers to do it.

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I could think of so many things this should be

0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:13.240
<v Speaker 1>adopted for local We've just talked about this. Yes, everybody's

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:15.480
<v Speaker 1>all over the stripers. Where's the weak fish, where's the

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>blue fish? There's not enough time or money for the

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:23.239
<v Speaker 1>agencies to be on that the same way they are

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:26.720
<v Speaker 1>with the stripers. So a program like this could help

0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly. So there's the whole overview of the program,

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.759
<v Speaker 1>which clearly I think is fantastic and I knew you

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:37.600
<v Speaker 1>would love it. Perhaps even more fantastic is the guy

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:40.640
<v Speaker 1>who catches tags and releases more fish than anyone else.

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Ed Shepherd of Yorktown, Virginia. Yeah, this dude, This dude,

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:51.479
<v Speaker 1>my hero. He's fitted between two and ten thousand fish

0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:54.920
<v Speaker 1>with tags every single year since two thousand seven. His

0:54:55.040 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>lifetime total now sits above eighty three thousand fish. You

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 1>cannot have a program like this without an edge Shepherd,

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Like he has to exist like everybody in the office

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:11.760
<v Speaker 1>collecting this data. Like you can like almost like picture

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.359
<v Speaker 1>meeting Ed on the beach or in the bay, and

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:16.879
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, that dude over there, he's out here

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:21.719
<v Speaker 1>tagging short flounder every single day like every he has

0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:24.800
<v Speaker 1>for whatever is happening in his life, whether he's retired

0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it may be, Like he's just made he

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:30.359
<v Speaker 1>has just made this his life's work. And so even

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:35.360
<v Speaker 1>more impressive, he catches all every single one of his

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 1>fish from public fishing piers, every one for him. He's

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 1>not He's not only targeting the most pressured fish, he's

0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 1>also catching fish with the highest percentage of recapture right

0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:50.759
<v Speaker 1>because he's fishing in the places where the most people fish,

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.760
<v Speaker 1>so there's a good chance that the fish he tags

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:57.359
<v Speaker 1>gets caught again. So not only is he putting out

0:55:57.360 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the most data, he's putting out the most valuable data.

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 1>True hero, real American hero right here is people suggest

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.000
<v Speaker 1>they're like, how do you catch more fish? I'm like,

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 1>have the kind of time that Ed has to just

0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:12.439
<v Speaker 1>be out there that often. And that's that's the thing.

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Like they give out awards every year to the top

0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 1>five fish taggers, and and they have, you know, the

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:21.520
<v Speaker 1>photos of everybody holding their troovies, and Ed's always there

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 1>like DS and everyone and and the only consistency I

0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:26.440
<v Speaker 1>can see is pretty much everybody in any of those

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 1>photos is a retired dude. And I have a new

0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:34.160
<v Speaker 1>life goal, Like, straight up, when I retire, I want

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.160
<v Speaker 1>to be Ed of wherever I'm living. I want to

0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:38.120
<v Speaker 1>be like the guy who just goes fishing all the

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 1>time in the name of science. That's what I want

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:43.479
<v Speaker 1>to do. That's who I want to be. Well, you know, dude,

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 1>we've we've ragged and I've heard about it. We've ragged

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 1>on like the citation angling stuff, like you know how

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 1>you catch this fish fish state dude, Like this is

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 1>way more noble, Like I don't want to care about

0:56:56.640 --> 0:57:02.160
<v Speaker 1>your citation pickroll. Like if you've tagged hundred whatever for

0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:07.319
<v Speaker 1>this year, that is helping your state manager species. That's

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:11.439
<v Speaker 1>way cooler than your damn state citation award. I don't

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:15.600
<v Speaker 1>care about the sitation. I care about your tag records. Yeah, citations,

0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:18.600
<v Speaker 1>tancara cross what else? Don't what else? Don't I like

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:22.959
<v Speaker 1>every Wally We don't like Wally eyes anyway. Last point,

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:26.520
<v Speaker 1>last point. Anybody who's out there listening that lives in

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Virginia you want to get involve. The program recruits and

0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:31.600
<v Speaker 1>trains new volunteers every December about fish handling and proper

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 1>tag insertions, so you can you can get on this.

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:36.880
<v Speaker 1>And if you fish around Virginia Point and you catch

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 1>any tagged fish, just please report it because that's what

0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>makes all this work. You can you can find all

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the information you want about any of the stuff, including

0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the reports, just online. Just go to m r C

0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 1>dot Virginia dot gov and they'll get you lined out

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 1>with everything you need. There you go. Well, Phil has

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:58.000
<v Speaker 1>plenty of data to sift through this week to declare

0:57:58.040 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 1>a winner. And as soon as we're done hearing from Phil,

0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:04.000
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we're gonna keep up with the local regional

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:08.200
<v Speaker 1>slang thing that we we've already got going in this episode,

0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna move into the weekly Word and hopefully when

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:13.640
<v Speaker 1>you're in Virginia you will catch a fish that does this,

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that does the weekly Word to your rod. Because I

0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.080
<v Speaker 1>am the kind of sucker who would fall for the

0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:25.560
<v Speaker 1>model zero. I have fallen for Joe Sairmelli this week. Joe,

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you're the winner. Wow. This week we had Brian Adams,

0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 1>we had Danzig. I just want to keep this train rolling.

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe next week we'll get George Clooney the Competition bass Angler,

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 1>or Madonna the Fishing Guide from Louisiana. I feel for you, guys,

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:43.800
<v Speaker 1>but it could be much worse. I know of a

0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.800
<v Speaker 1>journalist named Jeffrey Epstein who I think is on the

0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:50.320
<v Speaker 1>verge of either legally changing his name or just walking

0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 1>into the ocean. Webster's Dictionary defines fish as sticking with

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the theme. In this week, when I was fishing with

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Joe recently, I tied into some stout American chad that

0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:09.960
<v Speaker 1>had my trustee thirteen fishing fates steelhead rod folded completely

0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:12.880
<v Speaker 1>over in heavy current. I looked at Joe and said

0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:15.920
<v Speaker 1>something to the effect of, hell, yeah, we're getting corked.

0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Instead of embracing the celebratory sentiment of what he knew

0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to communicate, Joe instead decided that moment,

0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 1>right in the middle of me trying to land a

0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:29.680
<v Speaker 1>hefty row shad, was a good time to start a

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 1>semantic debate. Corked, He asked, who says corked? Nobody says

0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:38.800
<v Speaker 1>that I was too busy landing a fish to properly

0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.480
<v Speaker 1>argue with him. But I have since wondered where the

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 1>phrase came from. Did I make it up? Is it

0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:47.600
<v Speaker 1>just unique to my group of fishing buddies. I don't

0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 1>have a definitive answer, certainly not the answer I was

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:53.440
<v Speaker 1>hoping for, which would be solid proof that corked is

0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a legitimate and widely used fishing term and Joe just

0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what he's talking about. But I do have

0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a theory about where the term came from and how

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.240
<v Speaker 1>it made its way into my personal lexicon. First off,

1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:09.800
<v Speaker 1>where I live. Corked is a slang expression for getting

1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:12.920
<v Speaker 1>one's rod completely folded over by a big fish. It

1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:16.880
<v Speaker 1>may not be ubiquitous and certainly isn't common among people

1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:21.160
<v Speaker 1>over forty, but it is well used. I cannot, however,

1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:25.720
<v Speaker 1>find any evidence of its adoption in the broader angling community,

1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:29.680
<v Speaker 1>at least not in that context. Best I can tell,

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<v Speaker 1>corked is shorthand for bent to the cork, which is

1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:37.000
<v Speaker 1>a widely accepted phrase in fishing to describe when a

1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:40.439
<v Speaker 1>fishing rod flexes all the way to the handle, which

1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.680
<v Speaker 1>is traditionally made of cork. This phrase is common enough

1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:48.120
<v Speaker 1>that the now defunct magazine American Angler named their newsletter

1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:51.120
<v Speaker 1>bent to the cork. So at least I can validate

1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the longer form version of court. But the story doesn't

1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:59.280
<v Speaker 1>end there, because corked is a well documented slang term

1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:02.280
<v Speaker 1>in the fishing community out west with a completely different meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been corked off? I have, and I've

1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:10.680
<v Speaker 1>had words with other anglers and guides over it. Corked

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<v Speaker 1>off or corked describes when another angler or boat breaches

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<v Speaker 1>fishing etiquette by cutting you off. Say you're working your

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<v Speaker 1>way down a shoreline or a run and another angler

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<v Speaker 1>boat jumps in ahead of you, Well, you just got

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<v Speaker 1>corked off, also known as low holding. In this context.

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<v Speaker 1>The term court comes from the commercial salmon fishing scene

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<v Speaker 1>in Alaska. We've all seen how competitive and cut their

1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:39.200
<v Speaker 1>recreational fishing can get. Will picture what that could be

1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:42.080
<v Speaker 1>like when tens of thousands of dollars are on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like in weekend fishing, commercial fishing has accepted etiquette,

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<v Speaker 1>and setting your nets right in front of someone else

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<v Speaker 1>has already established nets to intercept the fish before them

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<v Speaker 1>is considered a major breach of code. Traditionally, floats on

1:01:56.800 --> 1:01:59.880
<v Speaker 1>gillnets were made of cork, and dropping your nets ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of someone else's came to be known as corking them

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<v Speaker 1>off or corking them, as is often the case. Commercial

1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:09.600
<v Speaker 1>fishing vernacular trickled down to the recreational scene, and getting

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<v Speaker 1>corked off came to describe a similar behavior in any

1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:16.720
<v Speaker 1>fishing situation. My theory is this, somewhere along the line,

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<v Speaker 1>bent to the cork and corked off became intertwined in

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<v Speaker 1>some fish addled brain, or maybe just got mixed up

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<v Speaker 1>by some google. Either way, since we all love shorthand,

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<v Speaker 1>and bent to the cork is kind of a mouthful,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you're in the heat of big fish battle.

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<v Speaker 1>Corked became a term with multiple definitions, one positive and

1:02:37.760 --> 1:02:41.919
<v Speaker 1>one negative. I use it both ways, and frankly never

1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:45.919
<v Speaker 1>even recognized the conflict until Joe started pitching me ship

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the Delaware River. Okay, so I

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<v Speaker 1>have heard the phrase bent to the cork before, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but not cork. That seems like such a West Coast

1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:01.680
<v Speaker 1>thing to me. Like it just sounds like it should

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<v Speaker 1>be automatically followed by the word bro. No, that's fair,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fair. I don't know. You've got me questioning it

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<v Speaker 1>like i've when we when we talked about doing this

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<v Speaker 1>for this segment, I was I hadn't thought about it much,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you're making me self conscious about that particular

1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:22.520
<v Speaker 1>particular exclamation. I might I might have to cut that

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<v Speaker 1>from the repertoire. I don't know. We'll see, well, think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, think about it at time. Anyway. Let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>cap off this week's show with a little trivia for

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<v Speaker 1>a change. We'll skip end of the line for trivia here.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually recorded this with my good friend Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Demo Daris of Cross Current Guide Service way back during

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<v Speaker 1>last summer's mousing season. But you guys have actually seen

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<v Speaker 1>Joe more recently in uh in b side fishing. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe D. And you hit the radioactive Passaic River chasing

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<v Speaker 1>after some some long toothye pike. Yes, in Joe D's

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<v Speaker 1>clack a craft, which I gotta say, watching that on

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<v Speaker 1>camera looked a hell of a lot room here then

1:04:02.200 --> 1:04:04.200
<v Speaker 1>your boat, and I'm gonna I'm gonna out you here

1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:09.080
<v Speaker 1>because Joe Cie here has like the mini Cooper of

1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:12.880
<v Speaker 1>clackic crafts. I have I fished out of so many

1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:15.760
<v Speaker 1>drift boats in my life, but I have never never

1:04:15.840 --> 1:04:18.439
<v Speaker 1>been in one like yours until I came out to visit.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it, it's totally a clack It's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>drift boat, yeah, only smaller. Yeah, yeah, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you what I paid for it, and even

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<v Speaker 1>you were like, oh my god, I would have bought

1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:32.280
<v Speaker 1>that twice. I would have. I would have. It's just

1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:34.760
<v Speaker 1>it's it's weird. It's different. It feels very narrow, like

1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:37.720
<v Speaker 1>there's no room to stand. It's it's it's weird. It's

1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:41.760
<v Speaker 1>great for one person. It's really when I never fished

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<v Speaker 1>by myself in my drift boat, I I do. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>if if any of you out there have ever wondered

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<v Speaker 1>where drift boats as a general term, like where the

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<v Speaker 1>term drift boats came from? This trivia is for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand that,

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<v Speaker 1>don't want the Are you well versed there? You're very

1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:06.720
<v Speaker 1>smart man? All right? Playing trivia with us today, my

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<v Speaker 1>good friend Joe Dimodaris of Cross Current Guide Service, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>how Art thou I am good? I am? I am

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<v Speaker 1>also good because I am at your place, the guide

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<v Speaker 1>Shack on the Upper Delaware River doing a little on

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<v Speaker 1>location session here while we're doing some mouse fishing. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta get you down for trivia, man, um, Are

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<v Speaker 1>you good at trivia? No? No, you don't go to

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<v Speaker 1>the bar and new trivia and that's I used to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, and like, actually it's funny you mentioned that,

1:05:31.960 --> 1:05:35.600
<v Speaker 1>like you know, probably forty years ago playing trivia pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>at the bar and every time you lost, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fun. That's all school. They just have the cards

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<v Speaker 1>on the table and I've been if you lost, you

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<v Speaker 1>had to drink a shot. And I mean there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times like I just like I lost,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't play. After six questions, I was done. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's absolutely nothing at stake here to lose or wins, so, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to do any shots if you get

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<v Speaker 1>these wrong. But I always try and tailor my trivia

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<v Speaker 1>questions to the person playing. And I figured, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years experience rowing drift boats and guiding. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>question number one. Okay. While many believe the idea for

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<v Speaker 1>driftboats first came from crude logging skiffs in the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundreds, history traces origins of the drift boat with

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<v Speaker 1>many of the same features that they have the day,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the nine twenties. Which of the following rivers

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<v Speaker 1>is considered the birthplace of the modern drift boat? Would

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<v Speaker 1>that be A the Rogue River, be the Mackenzie River,

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<v Speaker 1>see the Colorado River, or d the di Shoots River. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was like Captain Ahab chasing wales around.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were dories, it was. The driftboat is an offshoot

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<v Speaker 1>of the dory. But what I'm saying is, at some

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<v Speaker 1>point in history it was Okay, that is right. Modern

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<v Speaker 1>drift boats were born in the Pacific Northwest, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the Mackenzie River where these specialized whitewater capable crafts originated,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were known as Mackenzie boats. And fun fact,

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<v Speaker 1>designer Woody Hindman, because I did my research, was the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who figured out that these boats would be much

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<v Speaker 1>more efficient if they were pointed at each end. Sweet yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and would he probably, you know, had like two bucks

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<v Speaker 1>worth of material and trees he felled himself. And all

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<v Speaker 1>these years later, you know, we'll pay twenty grand for

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<v Speaker 1>one and then upgrade it with the LED lights and

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<v Speaker 1>the built in US be charger world's most expensive rowboat exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do have one more for you. This one's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more fun, uh, since we are up

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<v Speaker 1>here mousing doing a little night mouse fishing. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing you and I enjoy doing together. Tell me which

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<v Speaker 1>one of the following is not an actual mouse fly

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<v Speaker 1>that is out there in the world tied on YouTube?

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<v Speaker 1>I found all these, So which one of these is

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<v Speaker 1>not an actual mouse pattern? Is it a the weaponized mouse?

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<v Speaker 1>Be the cousin it mouse see Ichabod's art a mouse

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<v Speaker 1>or d the oh, mickey, your so fine. One of

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<v Speaker 1>those is not an actual mouse pattern? All right, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really hard for me that you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult because I'm terrible at knowing names of patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>I really am. My sneak at like guys talking. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew this was going to be a harder question than

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<v Speaker 1>the Mackenzie drift bos people people talk about, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the itchy ball fly, and I don't have a clue,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just know like that looks yeah, officially

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<v Speaker 1>eat that thing. I'll use it. Right, Because you're a

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<v Speaker 1>guide in practical when it comes to applying flies to

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to know the name of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you know whatever? You know, even if dry fly, right,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's if it's some kind of like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tweedledum olive, I don't need to know it's the name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's there's a little green flight. That's what they're eating. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're good. But based on the names you listed, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take a wild shot. You have to go

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<v Speaker 1>with d Oh, mickey, you're so fine? Is not a

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<v Speaker 1>mouse pattern? Yeah? That's correct. WHOA, that's correct? Because people

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<v Speaker 1>are so ate up with this mouse ship that it

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<v Speaker 1>really I feel like it could have been. I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 1>that it will be now, soby will tie that by

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<v Speaker 1>next week after hearing this totally well, thanks for playing

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<v Speaker 1>trivia and good on you. That was two for two.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's it for this week. Remember if you're headed

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<v Speaker 1>to Jerry's and you should be to pick up a canoe.

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<v Speaker 1>He is sixty and probably won't know how to take

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<v Speaker 1>a selfie with a mouse fly called the Hey Mickey,

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<v Speaker 1>You're so fine has not been patented, but would likely

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<v Speaker 1>slay gold and blue trout in West Virginia and Bent

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<v Speaker 1>to the cork and corked are not actually the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite what us out West Brobras trying to say, keep

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<v Speaker 1>those Salman items, bar nominations, awkward photos, news stories, and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else coming. Please to Bent at the mediator dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>We always love hearing from you guys. Also, we love

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<v Speaker 1>seeing those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags on the Graham.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are, in fact the fastest way to earn a

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<v Speaker 1>sticker pack from us. Those packs may eventually include stickers

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<v Speaker 1>that say shut up and fished douse light. If we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna stick with the Jerry making stickers. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we probably have to license that from Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>anyway until next week. Don't forget. No matter how you

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<v Speaker 1>stroke it, at least you're stroking it in the open air,

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by nature, instead of in your parents basement on

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<v Speaker 1>the couch that used to belong to your mo mom

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<v Speaker 1>and peepop