WEBVTT - 08/13/21 DPS Hour 2 Jermaine O'Neal 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.480 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:08.119 Sports Radio. Welcome to this Friday show. It's our two 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:13.440 Dana Nadane's Dan Patrick Show Spirited First Hour, Controversy. First 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.360 Hour also heard from the Patriots insider Tom Kerran. And 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.799 it feels like you got a real quarterback battle. A 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.040 lot of times we in the media like to play 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.640 something up. This feels like Mac Jones has a really 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.360 good chance of being the starting quarterback for the Patriots. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.360 And also understand this, it's not like there's a legacy 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.240 here with the Patriot fans. Boy, they want to thank 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.080 Cam Newton, they want to stay behind him that they've 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.200 had all of these this great success. There's no loyalty there. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.160 Didn't have a good season last year. Once you get 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.080 mac Jones in there, they're used to see in a 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.400 quarterback who is not athletic, who stays in the pocket 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.800 and makes really good throws, and that's what you have 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.400 with mac Jones. They did quite well with that style 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.840 for twenty years. And it feels like, hey, just plug 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.800 and play. Put Max Owns in there and let's see 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.160 what he can do. But the Patriots spent a lot 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.880 of money in the offseason on free agents. Therefore, there's 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:13.120 this Bill Belichick doesn't rebuild, he reloads, and this is 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.040 a team that's ready to win now, and you've got 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.959 a lot of competition then in their own division, you know, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:23.680 starting with Buffalo, Miami is good, Jets should be improved. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.160 You know, Patriots trying to kind of keep pace with 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.399 everybody here. And then you factor in all the other 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.800 teams in the AFC that could win a championship or 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.920 at least win their division and go far in the playoffs. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.840 But what we saw last night with Mac Jones, I 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.160 thought his best throw was a ball that was dropped 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.240 for a touchdown. But he looked comfortable there. It's only 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:49.920 one game, but he looked comfortable. Cam Newton, if if 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.320 this isn't his last year, I'll be surprised. And he's 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.520 acknowledged this as well, that he goes, hey, look, guy 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.840 works hard, he shows up early, leaves late. I understand 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.120 the Patriots drafted him in the first round. You don't 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.560 draft a quarterback in the first round and not have 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.720 the idea that he could be playing for US immediately, 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.880 not later sooner. And I think that if you get 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.280 to that point where you've got weapons you got tight ends, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.920 you got wide receivers, Why would you have a quarterback 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.520 who can't get them the ball? Doesn't make any sense 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.639 to me. Cam is still fun to watch, but he's 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.400 not Cam a twenty fifteen and if he's gonna play 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.760 but style, are you gonna have a running quarterback who 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.840 could occasionally beat you with his arm? Or do you 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.520 want to have a guy who you know he's going 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.799 to be in the pocket And you know, it feels 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.360 like you've already had that kind of offense for twenty 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.480 years now. But mac Jones looked pretty good last night 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.160 for the Patriots, and one thing's clear. You know he's 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.680 not in Alabama anymore because when he was there, you 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:59.080 had Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs, Jalen Waddle, Davante Smith. In 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:05.880 New England, last night he had Christian Wilkerson, Gunner Olshevsky. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.960 To be fair, the Patriots only gave their top receivers 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.080 limited work there, But you look at the weapons there 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.880 and is this a passing team or are they going 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:18.799 to be running and passing. They got a lot of 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.360 running backs as well, but Tom Brady didn't get a 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.120 lot of help from the skill position players. In twenty nineteen, 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.400 which in part led to his departure. Hey, you're gonna 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.640 you asked me to continue to try to salvage this 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:36.120 offense and the players you draft, I mean Nikil Harry, 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.240 he's still on the team. But even last night during 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.080 the broadcast, they're saying, this guy's got to learn to 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.160 get open if he hasn't learned to get open now, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.960 in not learning to get open now, regardless of who's 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.640 at quarterback, New England still needs to prove that. You know, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.640 the receiving corps upgraded, and it certainly hasn't performed in 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:59.320 recent years. But it's one game we overreact. I just 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.960 wanted to see how comfortable Mac Jones looked in the 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.120 pocket and how he sort of processed everything. Get to 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.800 the line of scrimmage if you need to change a play, 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.280 if you're going through progressions like small things, and a 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:12.880 lot of times we look at the bottom line, you 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.520 look at stats and you go, boy, somebody had a 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.120 really good game or somebody didn't have a really good game, 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.960 and they can be misleading. Age seven seven three d 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.480 P Show email address DP of Dan Patrick dot com, 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.560 Twitter handle at dp's show. Mclovin pulled question from the 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.359 first hour and are we staying with it for the 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.200 second hour. You can latch only one player this weekend. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.040 In the preseason action, Jordan Love is number one, with 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.040 Trevor Lawrence actually number two, then Tim Tebow, then Fields 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.640 and Lance and that's your vote as well. Right, I'm 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:48.000 just curious. Let's say Jordan Love plays really well, what's 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.320 the fallout all of August? He plays really well. What 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.600 if he doesn't play well at all in the month 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.920 of August, what's the fallout going to be. That's why 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.440 he's the most fascinating player in the pre season in 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.599 my opinion, because we have not seen him. Unless you 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:08.240 love to watch football on a secondary level and you're 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.960 watching him in college, you probably have no idea. Maybe 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.679 you saw some highlights, but that's about it. I'm really 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.919 curious to see how he plays and look for the 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.400 same things in him that I'm looking at for Mac 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:26.480 Jones or Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, and Jordan 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.360 Love has been in the system though for a year, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.839 but he hasn't had any reps whatsoever. Now he gets 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.480 that opportunity and he's the one that I'm focused on 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.240 just to see was he worth it? Yes, mcle How 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.279 about a scenario where he plays well and another quarterback 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.039 gets hurt? Could they trade him for maybe maybe like 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.120 a Sam Bradford situation. No, no, because you have no 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.600 assurance of what Aaron Rodgers is going to do. If 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.720 Jordan Love can play, then you're not trading him. But 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.360 if you're not quite sure, even after this year, then 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.599 you got a old decision to make because if Aaron 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:06.040 Rodgers doesn't want to stay, and it gives him leverage too, 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:12.000 because he might say, how's your first round draft pick doing? Yeah, Now, 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.120 here's a couple other things that I would like next 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.320 season if I'm going to stay here. Yeah. If you're 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.880 Aaron Rodgers, do you want Jordan Love to play very 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.479 well in the preseason to help you get out of 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.520 Green Bay and play for another team? Well? Or no, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.760 he already has that in his contract. But I'll make 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.640 it a real easy out. Both sides will want it. 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.120 I don't know, well he talks glowingly about Jordan Love. 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:36.719 I don't think he said. Look, I don't have a 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.920 problem with him. I mean, Jordan Love didn't draft himself right, 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.640 and I think that you know, with the with the packers. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.360 His problem is with a couple of people. But I 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.320 want to see how Jordan Love does on a big 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.120 stage here. Yeah, mc love, I find that veteran rookie 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.599 dynamics show. It like when you were a sports ter hosts, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.880 did you really help the young guys? You always here 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.600 young guys say thank you to you, But aren't you 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.720 like party holding back because you're nervous they're going to 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.240 be better than you. That's how I would do it. 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.720 I think if they were humble and they wanted to learn, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.480 and you know, back then there was so much competition, 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.760 and you had a lot of these younger guys who 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.720 came in and they wanted what Keith Oberman and I had. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.680 You know, we were kind of biding our time. We 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.440 didn't want what Chris Burman had because Berman had been there, 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.400 he helped build the place. But if you had younger 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.640 sports center anchors and they they truly wanted to know, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.040 hey can you help me with this? But a lot 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.920 of there was a lot of attitude going on back then. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.040 There are a lot of people who thought, hey, I 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.200 should have your job. Stewart Scott and I did not 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.760 get along a great respect for him certainly what he 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.680 went through, but we didn't get along because Steward came 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.040 in and had an attitude of he was taking my 0:07:55.160 --> 0:08:00.920 job or when Keith left, he wanted that job, and 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.480 there were others that were like that. But look, it's 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:08.040 you know, mail driven, testosterone driven, and you know you're competitive, 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.240 and Stuart's one of the more competitive guys I was 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.160 ever around. But you know, at that point, you want 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.040 somebody to come in and have a little bit of 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.520 respect for you, and I don't. I don't know if 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.800 he had that. I think he respected what we were doing, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:26.320 but he wanted it, and you know, I certainly understood 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.840 it because I came in and Tom Meees was anchoring 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.480 Sports Center and I thought I'm better than him. It 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.800 wasn't the right attitude to have. And then you kind 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.360 of have to go, I gotta be respectful here. I 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.680 was better at hiding it, though Stewart didn't didn't hide 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.080 it like it was. It was an open, you know 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.559 topic that you know, I knew that he wanted this 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.480 job and thought he was better than me or Keith 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.120 or whoever was doing it there. But that's him, That's 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.720 that's how he he was he was fighting cancer because 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.840 of whatever that characteristic that gene was in him that 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.360 wanted to compete. Sewart just wanted to compete. But yeah, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:11.000 it gets it's tricky, but you know, we had we 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.559 had other jobs at sports Center. It's not like there 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.200 was only one or two spots there and you had 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.960 eight guys who wanted it. You had this six o'clock, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.200 you had the eleven o'clock, you had the one o'clock. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.240 You had other things that they could compete for. That's 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.119 what's different. You know with the NFL, with these younger quarterbacks. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.480 You know, does Cam Newton really want to help Mac Jones? 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.719 Does Andy Dalton really want to help justin fields? You're 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:40.120 Jimmy Garoppolo. They trade it up to get this guy. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.520 Do you think he really wants to help Trey Lands 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.800 Brett fare famously did not help Aaron Rodgers. Like, I 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.000 get it, but also it says a lot about your 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.839 confidence level if you're going to help out somebody because 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:57.120 you're not worried about them. But also it's the right 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.240 thing to do. It just really depends on the two 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.079 to the person who is trying to take your job. Yeah, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.480 I'm globe were there like sort of clicks of hosts. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.200 Because I noticed when you took us up for the 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.000 four yeth celebration of ESPN, you, Robin Roberts and Tarico 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.920 had this bond like you'd come up together and you're 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.320 all really close. You could tell what was it like 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.600 different if you come up with somebody where you probably 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.880 closer to them than they, say, an older a younger guy. Yeah, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.760 because Tarico came in, he was twenty four, Robin Roberts 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.640 came in, Bob Lee was already there, Charlie Steiner, these 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.440 are these are the people who were there every single day. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.360 And uh, even though there's competition, it's still you know, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.840 we felt like we were the underdog. ESPN was an 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.320 underdog and whatever we were doing, you know, networks looked 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.840 down upon us, um and we were constantly trying to 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.560 prove ourselves. But but it was it was great for 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.720 morale that we were trying to get noticed. Do things 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.520 be great? Um? But yeah, when I see Chris Fowler 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.200 and Burman and those guys, I mean, we went we 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.480 went through a lot together. It's every single night you're 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.840 there together, can't help but form a bond. And I 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.440 don't want this to be mistaken or misidentified or taken 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:14.320 out of context. I loved being around Stewart Scott, I did. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.040 I thought he was fascinating. But he had that if 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.120 I wasn't there, he was going to be competing with 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.520 somebody else. And I got a chance to reach out 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.680 to him before he died, and we laughed. We laughed 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.240 at least I hope he was laughing because we talked 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.480 about a basketball game that we played and he wanted 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.880 to guard me full court, and he thought he was, 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.720 you know, NBA Defender of the Year. He had his 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.560 Rex specs on, he as Worthy goggles on, and he 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.440 had his Michael Jordan air. Jordan taught, you know, from 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.199 head to toe. And he picked me up full court 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:57.120 in a in a pickup pickup basketball game, and it 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.760 got to the point where he was bodying me everything. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.560 And I got to the point where I'm I'm yelling 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.880 at him, where do you want me to score on you? 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.360 Where do you want me to score on you? And 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:10.800 I said, I don't want to go play in this 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.040 pickup game. If somebody's gonna pick me up full court, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.600 I show up, get the ball. Stewart's on me full court. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.520 I guess you gotta be bleeping me, but but look, 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.280 I it kept him alive. And what he did at 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:29.560 the SPS far greater man than me because I couldn't 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.640 have done it. But uh, you know, rest in peace 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:38.760 because he was fascinating. Man. Let's see, we got our 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.840 pull question. We're gonna stay with that with the second hour. Yeah, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.200 unless you want to. I want to ask about Kawhi letter. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:45.880 At some point we could say that if you want, 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.600 okay it, if you were ran the Clippers, would you 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.600 want to sign that four year, one hundred seventy million 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.640 dollars contract? Well, what other options would you have had there? 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.760 That's the thing. He's not gonna play this year. I 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:02.120 don't think you're not rebuilt. You traded all those draft 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:08.760 picks to get Paul George. I think you have to 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:15.079 sign him. If I knew that there was a Plan B, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.719 I'd love to know what Plan B was. I if 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.480 you're not going to resign him, then who can you get? 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.960 But I was surprised that, like who's trading for him 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.880 now or wants to sign him? Because you're just not 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:30.800 quite sure what you're getting and he's going to be 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:36.360 out for an entire year. You almost have to. It's 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:42.600 it's a must resign and you kind of go into 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.079 this season going, hey, no expectations here. Maybe it's you 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:50.640 surprise some people, but no expectations here. But yeah, that 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.560 that'd be tough to go. Hey, here's here's forty million 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:59.800 dollars while you're rehabbing, and he's he's going to take 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.480 is good old time. See the nets looked at Kevin 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.000 Durant coming off the Achilles and go, we know you're 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.480 not gonna play, but we had to get him. And 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.560 it's like, hey, we don't care, you're not gonna play, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.880 don't don't rush it, and we're gonna play a long 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:21.080 game here with Kauai. Tough because he's gonna be what 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.120 thirty thirty years of age and coming back from this injury, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:32.280 just turned thirty. When he's great, he's elite, but he 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.800 doesn't play, you know, but a little more than a 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.000 half the games during the regular season. There's gonna be 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.000 load management, even more so now coming off an acl Ye, 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.400 he does a look thirty. By the way he walks 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.000 around the court. 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He is the executive producer at 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.320 least one of the executive producers of the new Netflix 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.160 documentary Untold Malace at the Palace, the first film in 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.240 the Untold series, and the next film Untold deal with 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:12.080 the Devil, chronicling the pioneer boxer Christy Martin. Natal air 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.240 in November seventeenth, Germaine O'Neil joining us on the program. Germaine, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.520 great to see you again. What did you unearth that 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.600 you didn't know about the malae at the Palace? Well, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.239 first of all, Dan, it's great to see you as well. Um, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.800 you know, a lot of you know about this document 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.120 was it was information and having a conversation and that 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.040 was big for me. You know. It went about ten 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.879 years after the brawl happened, and we had to go 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.439 through an incredible amount of legal, incredible amount you know, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:48.120 civil you know, lawsuits, and we couldn't talk much about it, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.720 and honestly, I didn't really want to talk much about it, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.160 to be completely honest. And then this thing just kept 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.360 being an anniversary, you know, and it's like anniversary of anniversary. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.040 And I knew that it was information I did. I 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.840 was never talked about U and you know, it's one 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.880 of those things where I finally just you know, took 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:10.200 some time out to interview some directors, some producers. Um, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.560 to kind of talk about you know, you know, could 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.760 be put together a doc that one didn't alienate a 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.720 league that I care so much about, or you know, 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.399 the Pacers or anybody else, um that I care a 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.199 lot about. But really just to have the conversation for 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.640 the first time so people can get a different perspective 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.600 and see just how the narrative was changed. Um. And 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.040 I thought, you know, uh uh, this doc told everything 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.040 the when you hear from the fans who were involved 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:45.119 in this, did you interview any of those fans? No? No, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:46.960 So one of the things I wanted to do on 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.560 this doc. Um. And I have to say, you know, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.359 thank you to Netflix for you know, for seeing division, 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.080 understanding Division the way Brothers, Floyd Russ, who's the director, 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.800 who did a phenomenal job on capturing and um, you know, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.240 my my job was to have the conversation, to get 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.719 people that were there to talk, you know, to come on. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.520 And I told him, you know, talk candidly. The fans 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.720 himself never had any contact with them. Hell to be honest, 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.119 and when we shot this doc, I never even sold 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.800 Stephen Jackson around our test we shot at all in 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.480 different locations or been Wileasce or Reggie Miller. We shot 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.280 it separately. Guys wanted to speak openly about it, mainly 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:27.800 because we want to put this thing in to bed 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.439 and so people can stop having anniversaries and talking about it. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.080 Anybody not want to be a part of it. So 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.119 everybody wanted to be a part of it. I gotta 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.359 say shout out to Rashi Wallace, uh And and Larry 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.399 Brown who actually didn't did not make the final cut 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.600 because we only had an hour and eight minutes to 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.760 put you know, put all this information in there, so 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.160 we're gonna lose some sort of information. But everybody wanted 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.600 to be a part of it. M was I think 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.199 everybody understood it. You have to understand too, then, is 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.080 that when when you going through a process like that 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.200 seventeen years ago and it seems like it's been two 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.680 life times ago, but people are still talking about it. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:04.520 You know, it's a lot of it's a lot of 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.200 things out there, right, It's no real template to how 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.840 you deal with you know, player fan involvement, right and 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.320 and you know, from a perspective of a business with 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.800 the NBA, you know, it is a real business and 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:20.080 multi billion dollar business. Um you know, you have to 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.679 react um and they reacted um and and to a 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:28.320 point rightfully so, but I just didn't. Over a period 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.240 of time, once things started to calm down, it was 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.560 opportunities to talk more about, you know, some of the 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:37.199 details stuff that actually happened, and actually show you know what, 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:38.840 you know, what in the world was going on in 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.480 that our internet night. But did you feel like there 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.400 was something bad going to happen before something bad happened 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:51.000 that night? No, Dan, I mean, obviously we've had you know, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.680 we've had you know, it was a rivalry between us 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.160 and and and the Pistons. Uh, it was always intense. 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.399 But then you have to understand, like you expect to 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.560 go into environments. That's what makes pro sports what it is. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.560 It's it's a great relationship between fans and players and 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.760 when you go into opposing arenas and and the two 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.520 teams that are playing are are projected to represent that 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.760 conference possibly in the NBA finals. Uh, it's no, it's 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.400 no love in the environment. But I never thought at 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.919 any point that I would be wearing a jersey and 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.560 all of a sudden, uh, you know, offending from you know, 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.399 offending from my well being what's that feeling like though? 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.439 When you realize there's a fan right in front of 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.840 you and he and he wants a piece of you. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.960 Do you do you even think? Can I defend my am? 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.920 I allowed to defend myself even though he's on the 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.000 basketball court with you. Well, I could tell you this, 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.159 I could tell this then. I mean, you know, you 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.400 go through a process of just trying to you know, 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.000 go from understanding, You go from you know, excited about 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.720 you know, beating the defending champions. We're feeling good about ourselves, um, 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:57.560 and then going to a point where hey, what's you know, 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:59.760 looking at what's going on? And then you go, you 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.040 go to a point of survival mode. Right. People now 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.280 starting to touch you. People now starting to spit on you. 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.679 People are now starting to hit you with things, and 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:08.560