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Speaker 1: Hour also heard from the Patriots insider Tom Kerran. And
Speaker 1: it feels like you got a real quarterback battle. A
Speaker 1: lot of times we in the media like to play
Speaker 1: something up. This feels like Mac Jones has a really
Speaker 1: good chance of being the starting quarterback for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: And also understand this, it's not like there's a legacy
Speaker 1: here with the Patriot fans. Boy, they want to thank
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, they want to stay behind him that they've
Speaker 1: had all of these this great success. There's no loyalty there.
Speaker 1: Didn't have a good season last year. Once you get
Speaker 1: mac Jones in there, they're used to see in a
Speaker 1: quarterback who is not athletic, who stays in the pocket
Speaker 1: and makes really good throws, and that's what you have
Speaker 1: with mac Jones. They did quite well with that style
Speaker 1: for twenty years. And it feels like, hey, just plug
Speaker 1: and play. Put Max Owns in there and let's see
Speaker 1: what he can do. But the Patriots spent a lot
Speaker 1: of money in the offseason on free agents. Therefore, there's
Speaker 1: this Bill Belichick doesn't rebuild, he reloads, and this is
Speaker 1: a team that's ready to win now, and you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of competition then in their own division, you know,
Speaker 1: starting with Buffalo, Miami is good, Jets should be improved.
Speaker 1: You know, Patriots trying to kind of keep pace with
Speaker 1: everybody here. And then you factor in all the other
Speaker 1: teams in the AFC that could win a championship or
Speaker 1: at least win their division and go far in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But what we saw last night with Mac Jones, I
Speaker 1: thought his best throw was a ball that was dropped
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. But he looked comfortable there. It's only
Speaker 1: one game, but he looked comfortable. Cam Newton, if if
Speaker 1: this isn't his last year, I'll be surprised. And he's
Speaker 1: acknowledged this as well, that he goes, hey, look, guy
Speaker 1: works hard, he shows up early, leaves late. I understand
Speaker 1: the Patriots drafted him in the first round. You don't
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback in the first round and not have
Speaker 1: the idea that he could be playing for US immediately,
Speaker 1: not later sooner. And I think that if you get
Speaker 1: to that point where you've got weapons you got tight ends,
Speaker 1: you got wide receivers, Why would you have a quarterback
Speaker 1: who can't get them the ball? Doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: to me. Cam is still fun to watch, but he's
Speaker 1: not Cam a twenty fifteen and if he's gonna play
Speaker 1: but style, are you gonna have a running quarterback who
Speaker 1: could occasionally beat you with his arm? Or do you
Speaker 1: want to have a guy who you know he's going
Speaker 1: to be in the pocket And you know, it feels
Speaker 1: like you've already had that kind of offense for twenty
Speaker 1: years now. But mac Jones looked pretty good last night
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, and one thing's clear. You know he's
Speaker 1: not in Alabama anymore because when he was there, you
Speaker 1: had Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs, Jalen Waddle, Davante Smith. In
Speaker 1: New England, last night he had Christian Wilkerson, Gunner Olshevsky.
Speaker 1: To be fair, the Patriots only gave their top receivers
Speaker 1: limited work there, But you look at the weapons there
Speaker 1: and is this a passing team or are they going
Speaker 1: to be running and passing. They got a lot of
Speaker 1: running backs as well, but Tom Brady didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of help from the skill position players. In twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: which in part led to his departure. Hey, you're gonna
Speaker 1: you asked me to continue to try to salvage this
Speaker 1: offense and the players you draft, I mean Nikil Harry,
Speaker 1: he's still on the team. But even last night during
Speaker 1: the broadcast, they're saying, this guy's got to learn to
Speaker 1: get open if he hasn't learned to get open now,
Speaker 1: in not learning to get open now, regardless of who's
Speaker 1: at quarterback, New England still needs to prove that. You know,
Speaker 1: the receiving corps upgraded, and it certainly hasn't performed in
Speaker 1: recent years. But it's one game we overreact. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to see how comfortable Mac Jones looked in the
Speaker 1: pocket and how he sort of processed everything. Get to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage if you need to change a play,
Speaker 1: if you're going through progressions like small things, and a
Speaker 1: lot of times we look at the bottom line, you
Speaker 1: look at stats and you go, boy, somebody had a
Speaker 1: really good game or somebody didn't have a really good game,
Speaker 1: and they can be misleading. Age seven seven three d
Speaker 1: P Show email address DP of Dan Patrick dot com,
Speaker 1: Twitter handle at dp's show. Mclovin pulled question from the
Speaker 1: first hour and are we staying with it for the
Speaker 1: second hour. You can latch only one player this weekend.
Speaker 1: In the preseason action, Jordan Love is number one, with
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence actually number two, then Tim Tebow, then Fields
Speaker 1: and Lance and that's your vote as well. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: just curious. Let's say Jordan Love plays really well, what's
Speaker 1: the fallout all of August? He plays really well. What
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play well at all in the month
Speaker 1: of August, what's the fallout going to be. That's why
Speaker 1: he's the most fascinating player in the pre season in
Speaker 1: my opinion, because we have not seen him. Unless you
Speaker 1: love to watch football on a secondary level and you're
Speaker 1: watching him in college, you probably have no idea. Maybe
Speaker 1: you saw some highlights, but that's about it. I'm really
Speaker 1: curious to see how he plays and look for the
Speaker 1: same things in him that I'm looking at for Mac
Speaker 1: Jones or Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, and Jordan
Speaker 1: Love has been in the system though for a year,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't had any reps whatsoever. Now he gets
Speaker 1: that opportunity and he's the one that I'm focused on
Speaker 1: just to see was he worth it? Yes, mcle How
Speaker 1: about a scenario where he plays well and another quarterback
Speaker 1: gets hurt? Could they trade him for maybe maybe like
Speaker 1: a Sam Bradford situation. No, no, because you have no
Speaker 1: assurance of what Aaron Rodgers is going to do. If
Speaker 1: Jordan Love can play, then you're not trading him. But
Speaker 1: if you're not quite sure, even after this year, then
Speaker 1: you got a old decision to make because if Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers doesn't want to stay, and it gives him leverage too,
Speaker 1: because he might say, how's your first round draft pick doing? Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: here's a couple other things that I would like next
Speaker 1: season if I'm going to stay here. Yeah. If you're
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, do you want Jordan Love to play very
Speaker 1: well in the preseason to help you get out of
Speaker 1: Green Bay and play for another team? Well? Or no,
Speaker 1: he already has that in his contract. But I'll make
Speaker 1: it a real easy out. Both sides will want it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, well he talks glowingly about Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: I don't think he said. Look, I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with him. I mean, Jordan Love didn't draft himself right,
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, with the with the packers.
Speaker 1: His problem is with a couple of people. But I
Speaker 1: want to see how Jordan Love does on a big
Speaker 1: stage here. Yeah, mc love, I find that veteran rookie
Speaker 1: dynamics show. It like when you were a sports ter hosts,
Speaker 1: did you really help the young guys? You always here
Speaker 1: young guys say thank you to you, But aren't you
Speaker 1: like party holding back because you're nervous they're going to
Speaker 1: be better than you. That's how I would do it.
Speaker 1: I think if they were humble and they wanted to learn,
Speaker 1: and you know, back then there was so much competition,
Speaker 1: and you had a lot of these younger guys who
Speaker 1: came in and they wanted what Keith Oberman and I had.
Speaker 1: You know, we were kind of biding our time. We
Speaker 1: didn't want what Chris Burman had because Berman had been there,
Speaker 1: he helped build the place. But if you had younger
Speaker 1: sports center anchors and they they truly wanted to know,
Speaker 1: hey can you help me with this? But a lot
Speaker 1: of there was a lot of attitude going on back then.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who thought, hey, I
Speaker 1: should have your job. Stewart Scott and I did not
Speaker 1: get along a great respect for him certainly what he
Speaker 1: went through, but we didn't get along because Steward came
Speaker 1: in and had an attitude of he was taking my
Speaker 1: job or when Keith left, he wanted that job, and
Speaker 1: there were others that were like that. But look, it's
Speaker 1: you know, mail driven, testosterone driven, and you know you're competitive,
Speaker 1: and Stuart's one of the more competitive guys I was
Speaker 1: ever around. But you know, at that point, you want
Speaker 1: somebody to come in and have a little bit of
Speaker 1: respect for you, and I don't. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he had that. I think he respected what we were doing,
Speaker 1: but he wanted it, and you know, I certainly understood
Speaker 1: it because I came in and Tom Meees was anchoring
Speaker 1: Sports Center and I thought I'm better than him. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the right attitude to have. And then you kind
Speaker 1: of have to go, I gotta be respectful here. I
Speaker 1: was better at hiding it, though Stewart didn't didn't hide
Speaker 1: it like it was. It was an open, you know
Speaker 1: topic that you know, I knew that he wanted this
Speaker 1: job and thought he was better than me or Keith
Speaker 1: or whoever was doing it there. But that's him, That's
Speaker 1: that's how he he was he was fighting cancer because
Speaker 1: of whatever that characteristic that gene was in him that
Speaker 1: wanted to compete. Sewart just wanted to compete. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it gets it's tricky, but you know, we had we
Speaker 1: had other jobs at sports Center. It's not like there
Speaker 1: was only one or two spots there and you had
Speaker 1: eight guys who wanted it. You had this six o'clock,
Speaker 1: you had the eleven o'clock, you had the one o'clock.
Speaker 1: You had other things that they could compete for. That's
Speaker 1: what's different. You know with the NFL, with these younger quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You know, does Cam Newton really want to help Mac Jones?
Speaker 1: Does Andy Dalton really want to help justin fields? You're
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. They trade it up to get this guy.
Speaker 1: Do you think he really wants to help Trey Lands
Speaker 1: Brett fare famously did not help Aaron Rodgers. Like, I
Speaker 1: get it, but also it says a lot about your
Speaker 1: confidence level if you're going to help out somebody because
Speaker 1: you're not worried about them. But also it's the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. It just really depends on the two
Speaker 1: to the person who is trying to take your job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm globe were there like sort of clicks of hosts.
Speaker 1: Because I noticed when you took us up for the
Speaker 1: four yeth celebration of ESPN, you, Robin Roberts and Tarico
Speaker 1: had this bond like you'd come up together and you're
Speaker 1: all really close. You could tell what was it like
Speaker 1: different if you come up with somebody where you probably
Speaker 1: closer to them than they, say, an older a younger guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Tarico came in, he was twenty four, Robin Roberts
Speaker 1: came in, Bob Lee was already there, Charlie Steiner, these
Speaker 1: are these are the people who were there every single day.
Speaker 1: And uh, even though there's competition, it's still you know,
Speaker 1: we felt like we were the underdog. ESPN was an
Speaker 1: underdog and whatever we were doing, you know, networks looked
Speaker 1: down upon us, um and we were constantly trying to
Speaker 1: prove ourselves. But but it was it was great for
Speaker 1: morale that we were trying to get noticed. Do things
Speaker 1: be great? Um? But yeah, when I see Chris Fowler
Speaker 1: and Burman and those guys, I mean, we went we
Speaker 1: went through a lot together. It's every single night you're
Speaker 1: there together, can't help but form a bond. And I
Speaker 1: don't want this to be mistaken or misidentified or taken
Speaker 1: out of context. I loved being around Stewart Scott, I did.
Speaker 1: I thought he was fascinating. But he had that if
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, he was going to be competing with
Speaker 1: somebody else. And I got a chance to reach out
Speaker 1: to him before he died, and we laughed. We laughed
Speaker 1: at least I hope he was laughing because we talked
Speaker 1: about a basketball game that we played and he wanted
Speaker 1: to guard me full court, and he thought he was,
Speaker 1: you know, NBA Defender of the Year. He had his
Speaker 1: Rex specs on, he as Worthy goggles on, and he
Speaker 1: had his Michael Jordan air. Jordan taught, you know, from
Speaker 1: head to toe. And he picked me up full court
Speaker 1: in a in a pickup pickup basketball game, and it
Speaker 1: got to the point where he was bodying me everything.
Speaker 1: And I got to the point where I'm I'm yelling
Speaker 1: at him, where do you want me to score on you?
Speaker 1: Where do you want me to score on you? And
Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to go play in this
Speaker 1: pickup game. If somebody's gonna pick me up full court,
Speaker 1: I show up, get the ball. Stewart's on me full court.
Speaker 1: I guess you gotta be bleeping me, but but look,
Speaker 1: I it kept him alive. And what he did at
Speaker 1: the SPS far greater man than me because I couldn't
Speaker 1: have done it. But uh, you know, rest in peace
Speaker 1: because he was fascinating. Man. Let's see, we got our
Speaker 1: pull question. We're gonna stay with that with the second hour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless you want to. I want to ask about Kawhi letter.
Speaker 1: At some point we could say that if you want,
Speaker 1: okay it, if you were ran the Clippers, would you
Speaker 1: want to sign that four year, one hundred seventy million
Speaker 1: dollars contract? Well, what other options would you have had there?
Speaker 1: That's the thing. He's not gonna play this year. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're not rebuilt. You traded all those draft
Speaker 1: picks to get Paul George. I think you have to
Speaker 1: sign him. If I knew that there was a Plan B,
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what Plan B was. I if
Speaker 1: you're not going to resign him, then who can you get?
Speaker 1: But I was surprised that, like who's trading for him
Speaker 1: now or wants to sign him? Because you're just not
Speaker 1: quite sure what you're getting and he's going to be
Speaker 1: out for an entire year. You almost have to. It's
Speaker 1: it's a must resign and you kind of go into
Speaker 1: this season going, hey, no expectations here. Maybe it's you
Speaker 1: surprise some people, but no expectations here. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: that'd be tough to go. Hey, here's here's forty million
Speaker 1: dollars while you're rehabbing, and he's he's going to take
Speaker 1: is good old time. See the nets looked at Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant coming off the Achilles and go, we know you're
Speaker 1: not gonna play, but we had to get him. And
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we don't care, you're not gonna play,
Speaker 1: don't don't rush it, and we're gonna play a long
Speaker 1: game here with Kauai. Tough because he's gonna be what
Speaker 1: thirty thirty years of age and coming back from this injury,
Speaker 1: just turned thirty. When he's great, he's elite, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't play, you know, but a little more than a
Speaker 1: half the games during the regular season. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: load management, even more so now coming off an acl Ye,
Speaker 1: he does a look thirty. By the way he walks
Speaker 1: around the court. He looks like he's been through a
Speaker 1: lot of injury. Well he has, let's take a break here.
Speaker 1: We'll get to more phone calls coming up. In an
Speaker 1: hour from now. The great skateboarder Tony Hawk will stop by,
Speaker 1: coming up. Jermaine O'Neill, the former Pacer All Star on
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Speaker 1: in November seventeenth, Germaine O'Neil joining us on the program. Germaine,
Speaker 1: great to see you again. What did you unearth that
Speaker 1: you didn't know about the malae at the Palace? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, Dan, it's great to see you as well. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of you know about this document
Speaker 1: was it was information and having a conversation and that
Speaker 1: was big for me. You know. It went about ten
Speaker 1: years after the brawl happened, and we had to go
Speaker 1: through an incredible amount of legal, incredible amount you know,
Speaker 1: civil you know, lawsuits, and we couldn't talk much about it,
Speaker 1: and honestly, I didn't really want to talk much about it,
Speaker 1: to be completely honest. And then this thing just kept
Speaker 1: being an anniversary, you know, and it's like anniversary of anniversary.
Speaker 1: And I knew that it was information I did. I
Speaker 1: was never talked about U and you know, it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where I finally just you know, took
Speaker 1: some time out to interview some directors, some producers. Um,
Speaker 1: to kind of talk about you know, you know, could
Speaker 1: be put together a doc that one didn't alienate a
Speaker 1: league that I care so much about, or you know,
Speaker 1: the Pacers or anybody else, um that I care a
Speaker 1: lot about. But really just to have the conversation for
Speaker 1: the first time so people can get a different perspective
Speaker 1: and see just how the narrative was changed. Um. And
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, uh uh, this doc told everything
Speaker 1: the when you hear from the fans who were involved
Speaker 1: in this, did you interview any of those fans? No? No,
Speaker 1: So one of the things I wanted to do on
Speaker 1: this doc. Um. And I have to say, you know,
Speaker 1: thank you to Netflix for you know, for seeing division,
Speaker 1: understanding Division the way Brothers, Floyd Russ, who's the director,
Speaker 1: who did a phenomenal job on capturing and um, you know,
Speaker 1: my my job was to have the conversation, to get
Speaker 1: people that were there to talk, you know, to come on.
Speaker 1: And I told him, you know, talk candidly. The fans
Speaker 1: himself never had any contact with them. Hell to be honest,
Speaker 1: and when we shot this doc, I never even sold
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson around our test we shot at all in
Speaker 1: different locations or been Wileasce or Reggie Miller. We shot
Speaker 1: it separately. Guys wanted to speak openly about it, mainly
Speaker 1: because we want to put this thing in to bed
Speaker 1: and so people can stop having anniversaries and talking about it.
Speaker 1: Anybody not want to be a part of it. So
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to be a part of it. I gotta
Speaker 1: say shout out to Rashi Wallace, uh And and Larry
Speaker 1: Brown who actually didn't did not make the final cut
Speaker 1: because we only had an hour and eight minutes to
Speaker 1: put you know, put all this information in there, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose some sort of information. But everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. M was I think
Speaker 1: everybody understood it. You have to understand too, then, is
Speaker 1: that when when you going through a process like that
Speaker 1: seventeen years ago and it seems like it's been two
Speaker 1: life times ago, but people are still talking about it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of it's a lot of
Speaker 1: things out there, right, It's no real template to how
Speaker 1: you deal with you know, player fan involvement, right and
Speaker 1: and you know, from a perspective of a business with
Speaker 1: the NBA, you know, it is a real business and
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar business. Um you know, you have to
Speaker 1: react um and they reacted um and and to a
Speaker 1: point rightfully so, but I just didn't. Over a period
Speaker 1: of time, once things started to calm down, it was
Speaker 1: opportunities to talk more about, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: details stuff that actually happened, and actually show you know what,
Speaker 1: you know, what in the world was going on in
Speaker 1: that our internet night. But did you feel like there
Speaker 1: was something bad going to happen before something bad happened
Speaker 1: that night? No, Dan, I mean, obviously we've had you know,
Speaker 1: we've had you know, it was a rivalry between us
Speaker 1: and and and the Pistons. Uh, it was always intense.
Speaker 1: But then you have to understand, like you expect to
Speaker 1: go into environments. That's what makes pro sports what it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's a great relationship between fans and players and
Speaker 1: when you go into opposing arenas and and the two
Speaker 1: teams that are playing are are projected to represent that
Speaker 1: conference possibly in the NBA finals. Uh, it's no, it's
Speaker 1: no love in the environment. But I never thought at
Speaker 1: any point that I would be wearing a jersey and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, uh, you know, offending from you know,
Speaker 1: offending from my well being what's that feeling like though?
Speaker 1: When you realize there's a fan right in front of
Speaker 1: you and he and he wants a piece of you.
Speaker 1: Do you do you even think? Can I defend my am?
Speaker 1: I allowed to defend myself even though he's on the
Speaker 1: basketball court with you. Well, I could tell you this,
Speaker 1: I could tell this then. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: go through a process of just trying to you know,
Speaker 1: go from understanding, You go from you know, excited about
Speaker 1: you know, beating the defending champions. We're feeling good about ourselves, um,
Speaker 1: and then going to a point where hey, what's you know,
Speaker 1: looking at what's going on? And then you go, you
Speaker 1: go to a point of survival mode. Right. People now
Speaker 1: starting to touch you. People now starting to spit on you.
Speaker 1: People are now starting to hit you with things, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it is a court full of
Speaker 1: people on the very service that we should have been
Speaker 1: protected on. And you know, you know, I've had this,
Speaker 1: you know, conversation a ton over the last two weeks
Speaker 1: about leadership. Right. Leadership is a word that you hear
Speaker 1: a lot in sports and life, and leadership is typically
Speaker 1: in the workplace, right, or maybe even at home. But
Speaker 1: you don't hear very much, you know, conversation about leadership
Speaker 1: when it comes down to protecting yourself and others in
Speaker 1: a situation that is compromising, right, And that's the thing
Speaker 1: that people have to understand. My position with it is
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to protect myself and others in
Speaker 1: a situation where we don't have anybody in to build
Speaker 1: it trying to protect us. And there was limited security
Speaker 1: there that night, and you know that added to this.
Speaker 1: So what was it like in the locker room when
Speaker 1: everybody got off the floor. It was intense. Um. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of yelling instrument. I remember just walking
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and it was like a movie set, right,
Speaker 1: because you had guys that had torn jerseys, You had
Speaker 1: guys that had were bleeding from you know, things been
Speaker 1: hit or scratches. You had you know, guys with like
Speaker 1: popcorn debris and all kinds of stuff all over him,
Speaker 1: and people were just kind of out of it, um
Speaker 1: and it just it just went from like one thing
Speaker 1: to another thing to another thing. Because then you know,
Speaker 1: once we actually finally got settled in the locker room,
Speaker 1: the police came in and was trying to take me
Speaker 1: to jail. And then you know, and then I had
Speaker 1: a situation with Ron at the time when he asked,
Speaker 1: you know, did you know do you think we're gonna
Speaker 1: you know? Wait, wait, so what did the police shade
Speaker 1: to you prior to them wanting to take you to jail?
Speaker 1: And listen, I was I was sitting there thinking, how
Speaker 1: in the world you go through all of that stuff
Speaker 1: out there and all illegal stuff that was going on
Speaker 1: out there, and you walk in in the locker room
Speaker 1: and players locker room and you come directly to me saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you coming with us? Right? It was it was It
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of conversation, right, it was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, Jamaine, you're coming with us. And at that point, um,
Speaker 1: I was already mentally out of it, emotionally out of it,
Speaker 1: and I just I reacted and said what I said
Speaker 1: to him, and and I guess, you know, thankfully they
Speaker 1: respected that. They understood where I was coming from. Were
Speaker 1: they trying to cuff you? They never got to that point,
Speaker 1: but they understood where I was. And I think that
Speaker 1: was one of the benefits of being six foot eleven,
Speaker 1: two sixty you know, where you know, you go into
Speaker 1: a situation, you see that it's out of control and
Speaker 1: people are emotional, right, And I was very emotional at
Speaker 1: that time because I think it's important for people to
Speaker 1: understand I inherited, inherited that. Jack inherited that, right, Jack doesn't.
Speaker 1: Jack goes in the stands to to help Ron and
Speaker 1: then they got those to beer in this Stephen Jackson.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, Yeah, right. You know, I'm in a situation
Speaker 1: where I'm on the floor, but I'm on the floor
Speaker 1: with other fans that out of the the way is hitting
Speaker 1: you know, hitting me, you know, and and grabbing me.
Speaker 1: I was telling the story, uh you know, you know
Speaker 1: in a couple of interviews, and people realize like I
Speaker 1: had just got somebody off being around, arm, around my
Speaker 1: neck and everything, right, and so I'll go from that
Speaker 1: to having to go to the slot punch and then
Speaker 1: from a perspective too, then you have to understand I slipped,
Speaker 1: but they actually to act yourself, what did I slip on?
Speaker 1: People were throwing things, beers and everything from the stands.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like a movie, right, and so, um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be completely honest this this doc um. It
Speaker 1: took about ten years to do UM and I was
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to get with a director and and Netflix
Speaker 1: who who who were able to tell the incredible story
Speaker 1: it is for. It's for conversation and closure. That is
Speaker 1: all this dock is for. And for people to understand
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, you know, you go for
Speaker 1: a narrative of the criminal and all this other stuff
Speaker 1: which is bananas for me to even think about it.
Speaker 1: And I want to bring that up because that word
Speaker 1: thug any anytime this was being described, you guys were thugs.
Speaker 1: What was it like to hear that? No matter if
Speaker 1: it was the evening news or sports center, you're being
Speaker 1: called a thug? It was it was disappointing. Um it
Speaker 1: angered me. UM. It ate away from me for a
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, for a situation like that, for
Speaker 1: people to quit the judgment, um not even doing their job,
Speaker 1: to wait and say let me get my information right,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and say what this is. It
Speaker 1: was like, oh, opportunity. It's an opportunity for me to
Speaker 1: take jobs, you know, at players. And the thing that
Speaker 1: hurt me the most, not even about myself, my league
Speaker 1: was under attack right my years I wasn't even in
Speaker 1: that building was under attack. So UM, I was really,
Speaker 1: I was really really disappointed. Um, and I probably you
Speaker 1: know over over time, dan Um, it was like a virus,
Speaker 1: like it just ate away from me. And because people
Speaker 1: I realized we couldn't speak because we had so many pending.
Speaker 1: I had eight laws, I eight lawsuits against myself, right,
Speaker 1: and then all the criminal stuff that that literally went
Speaker 1: on for ten years. So you were shoot by fans,
Speaker 1: sued by fans, um. The guy that even tried to
Speaker 1: choke me, uh sued me, sued by fans that you know,
Speaker 1: we're you know, people that were saying they were emotionally
Speaker 1: um damaged, and it was just it was ridiculous and
Speaker 1: and and want everything. I want everything. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, I got to clarify this because when you know,
Speaker 1: I've spoken about the lawsuit against the NBA and again
Speaker 1: the snow chab against the NBA. I'm forever alumni for
Speaker 1: ever grateful. It has warned me so many opportunities. But
Speaker 1: I think it's important when people look at that whole situation,
Speaker 1: when I go through the Peels process and the judge
Speaker 1: is allowed to see every angle and see what actually
Speaker 1: happened and say, okay, well you know, Jermaine, you had
Speaker 1: the right to do what you did. That's important, right,
Speaker 1: That is important to me because the character Sassi assassination
Speaker 1: was a real thing, Dan, and honestly I felt it.
Speaker 1: It was never really the same and part of my love,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're going through a process like that,
Speaker 1: I love basketball, right, and part of that was damaged.
Speaker 1: And I knew that it wasn't going to ever be
Speaker 1: reparable because people didn't understand it and understand the real,
Speaker 1: the real narrative of the story. Talking to Jermaine O'Neill.
Speaker 1: The documentary on Netflix is Untold Malice at the Palace.
Speaker 1: It's available now. Why did you and run our test
Speaker 1: have a falling out? Um? Honestly as as a brother,
Speaker 1: as a teammate, because it is an incredible brotherhood in
Speaker 1: those locker rooms. Um, I did not understand back then.
Speaker 1: You know, people nobody understood mental health, right. We wasn't
Speaker 1: educated enough. Mental health is in your face in today's
Speaker 1: era of sports and life. Back then, if you're if
Speaker 1: you're if you're talking mental health, you're talking crazy, and
Speaker 1: you know nobody wants to be you know, you know,
Speaker 1: involved in that conversation and his reaction to stuff which
Speaker 1: I thought he did a phenomenal job in the Dock.
Speaker 1: I'm explaining, you know, kind of how he approached it.
Speaker 1: And and honestly, Dan, when I saw when Netflix sent
Speaker 1: me the first cut of the Dock, that was literally
Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard him speak about his
Speaker 1: process to how he deals with pressure, how he deals
Speaker 1: with every day and so it all started to make
Speaker 1: sense and I felt emotional. But back then it was
Speaker 1: aggressive because I was about trying to win the championship. Um,
Speaker 1: he would just disappear. He didn't react well to, you know,
Speaker 1: to certain things, and and I just didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: understand it. So we didn't have a very good relationship then.
Speaker 1: But you're good now. We are good. We are good now. UM.
Speaker 1: You know we um. You know, we've had first sit
Speaker 1: down lunch together. It was about two years ago. We
Speaker 1: talked often on techs um, you know, shout out to Ron.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm being able to talk openly about his struggles.
Speaker 1: You were with the nineteen ninety six draft, yep, so
Speaker 1: you had you had Kobe Iverson, Ray, Ray Marburry, Steve
Speaker 1: Nash and and yeah, and you're but eighteen years of
Speaker 1: age at the time coming in to the Portland trailing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's pretty good draft. Did you feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, one of my I'm seventeen, should I be
Speaker 1: in the NBA? Back then? Dan, it was. It was
Speaker 1: incredible pressure because now you can, you can actually make
Speaker 1: yourself eligible for the draft and then you know, go
Speaker 1: through your process and go back back then. If you
Speaker 1: made yourself eligible as a high school player, you basically
Speaker 1: forfeited your college eligibility. So I was nervous. I was nervous. Um,
Speaker 1: I have to say, you know, a big shout out
Speaker 1: to r and tell them who was my agent my
Speaker 1: entire career, son of Viy Carroll, who walked me and
Speaker 1: my mother through the process of understanding what it was. Now,
Speaker 1: I will tell you when I made myself eligible, every
Speaker 1: week after that point it was somebody else to claim
Speaker 1: for the draft, and I was like, well, damn, like,
Speaker 1: am I gonna get drafted? And so I was. I
Speaker 1: was feeling nervous. I mean, it was some names coming
Speaker 1: out of there that I was actually fans of, like
Speaker 1: I watched on television. So it was like, man, this
Speaker 1: may be a tough one. Were you compared to Kobe
Speaker 1: for a little while of you know, the success of
Speaker 1: the high school player in high school or no, when
Speaker 1: you guys got to the NBA, because Kobe didn't play
Speaker 1: much that first year. But I didn't know if like
Speaker 1: they were comparing the high school player to the high
Speaker 1: school player and you know, who's having more success or
Speaker 1: did you feel that there was competition with you? And
Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely a lot of comparisons, you
Speaker 1: know for our success. Um, you know, I was I
Speaker 1: came from a smaller market, so not a ton of
Speaker 1: people knew about me. Cole was was kind of in
Speaker 1: that direction, you know, for his last two years of
Speaker 1: high school. A lot of conversation by him going going pro.
Speaker 1: But the success of Garnett KG was really set the
Speaker 1: standard right and so if you didn't meet that level
Speaker 1: of you know, expectations as a high school player, then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's it's criticism. And I had
Speaker 1: to go through my college one on one for four
Speaker 1: years with Portland and that was the hardest four years
Speaker 1: of my life. Larry Bird, I think was in the
Speaker 1: front office with the Pacers. When you were there, you
Speaker 1: got a Larry Bird's story, not really laugher was it
Speaker 1: was really he's really quiet. Um he didn't come to
Speaker 1: practice and take on everybody shooting. Nah. Now he came
Speaker 1: to practice, for sure. He just kind of sit down.
Speaker 1: Now he's really direct and about his business very quiet um,
Speaker 1: except for when he's playing. Yeah, you know, you know
Speaker 1: it's some people like that though, right day on the
Speaker 1: court and it's like they're different person. And then when
Speaker 1: they step away from the court, who was like who
Speaker 1: surprised you when they got on the court and you're going,
Speaker 1: damn man, he's hump um, believe it or not. And
Speaker 1: people may laugh when I say this, but if you
Speaker 1: look at Rashid Wallace right when you look at the
Speaker 1: technicals and you look at the screaming and yelling, and
Speaker 1: as soon as you see him put on the street
Speaker 1: clothes super calm, always laugh And you know people think
Speaker 1: that he's crazy, right because he know he's leading the
Speaker 1: league in texts every year and he's he's screaming and yelling,
Speaker 1: But as soon as he walk off the court, he's
Speaker 1: he's pretty mellow. Could you smell pot on his breath
Speaker 1: during a game? Though? At any point? Jermin Oh, I
Speaker 1: remember being at a Pistons game and Rashid passed me
Speaker 1: in the hall and he was going out to shoot
Speaker 1: around and it felt like it was a Bob Marley
Speaker 1: concert that was following him. Listen, I'm gonna take I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take you out for a drinking we'll have when
Speaker 1: I come to Dallas. Then uh, we'll go out. Well, uh,
Speaker 1: we'll have a beverage. Well, good luck with this. I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you're able to have some closure with this.
Speaker 1: You went through a lot, you know, lost a lot
Speaker 1: of money. You guys lost an opportunity I think to
Speaker 1: win a championship that year, and um, you know a
Speaker 1: lot to go through. Thank you, Jermaine, it's great to
Speaker 1: talk to you again. Thanks having me Dan. Jermaine O'Neil.
Speaker 1: He was a six time NBA All Star, picked seventeen
Speaker 1: overall by the Blazers, and he's one of the executive
Speaker 1: producers of the Netflix documentary and told Malice at the Palace. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think the first time I heard thugs
Speaker 1: when it came to athletes. Iverson was labeled a thug,
Speaker 1: probably when he was in high school, had the fight
Speaker 1: at the bowling Alley, and we just kind of threw
Speaker 1: that description out there, that label out there, and even
Speaker 1: though the Pistons were defending themselves. They were the bad guys,
Speaker 1: they were the thugs. And and when you hear these
Speaker 1: fans who were involved in this on camera, there's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of attitude there with these with these guys
Speaker 1: who were involved in that fight. You know, Ron snapped
Speaker 1: because he's on the scorers table and he snapped and
Speaker 1: when he got hit, and then he goes into the
Speaker 1: stand ends. Stephen Jackson is going to protect his teammate
Speaker 1: Germaine O'Neill. The fans start coming on the floor, he
Speaker 1: slips or he probably breaks the jaw of this guy
Speaker 1: who's right there with him, wanting to go toe to
Speaker 1: toe with him. It's one of those where you're going,
Speaker 1: this isn't really happen. We're watching this in a bar
Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio, and I'm watching it live, and I'm
Speaker 1: going this, this can't be happening. Now. These things don't happen.
Speaker 1: You know, the fans are so close, and they do
Speaker 1: have that opportunity if somebody wants to do something stupid,
Speaker 1: but very very little security, very little. We'll take a break,
Speaker 1: we'll come back. We got phone calls. We'll update our
Speaker 1: poll results. We're back after this. Thanks for listening to
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Speaker 1: d P Show email address Dupa dan Patrick dot com,
Speaker 1: Twitter handle at DPS show. Last week and last year,
Speaker 1: I should say we saw the Patriots struggle without Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna find out what the Saints can do
Speaker 1: without Drew Brees. You have all eyes on Jamis Winston
Speaker 1: and Taysom Hill, and then that starts this weekend as
Speaker 1: those two battle for that job. There that Saints play
Speaker 1: the Ravens on Saturday Night. The tough question that nobody
Speaker 1: in New Orleans wants to ask is can they win
Speaker 1: with either one of these quarterbacks? And we're not sure,
Speaker 1: and we're not sure the status of Michael Thomas. They
Speaker 1: lost some key defenders in the offseason. Sean Payton has
Speaker 1: been able to keep that offense going even when Breese
Speaker 1: was out with injuries. He's got his work cut out
Speaker 1: for him this year. Jameis Winston and Taysom Hill have
Speaker 1: very different styles, but they're both compelling players, and one
Speaker 1: of them will have the tough task of trying to
Speaker 1: lead the Saints into the post Drew Brees era. And
Speaker 1: this goes back to you have two different quarterbacks or
Speaker 1: two different styles, and how do you run an offense
Speaker 1: when you have contrasting styles. The Patriots with Cam Newton
Speaker 1: and Mac Jones contrasting styles. I mean Trey Lance and
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. Trey Lance is able to give you a
Speaker 1: different element there than Garoppolo did, But Trey Lance is
Speaker 1: still considered a good pocket passer. You can run an
Speaker 1: offense there. You can add a couple of tweaks here.
Speaker 1: But you start to look, you know, Justin Fields and
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Justin Fields is more of an athlete than
Speaker 1: Andy is at this stage of Andy's career. What kind
Speaker 1: of offense are you going to be able to run?
Speaker 1: You don't want to set up for Hey, this quarterback
Speaker 1: comes in, we run this offense. This quarterback comes in,
Speaker 1: we run this offense. You know, offensive coordinators have a
Speaker 1: hard time settling on one offense to run, let alone
Speaker 1: a couple there. But those are some of the things
Speaker 1: that I'm looking for. You know, Jordan Love, what kind
Speaker 1: of athlete is he? What kind of pocket presents, what
Speaker 1: kind of arm does he have? What kind of accuracy
Speaker 1: does he have? Leadership? That's what I'm fascinated with. Make
Speaker 1: love and update the poll results. So who do you
Speaker 1: want to see the most week one? Actually Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: just past Jordan Love. They're basically tied. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: fis Tebow's on higher on this. I thought there was
Speaker 1: some hype. Yeah, yeah, maybe, but you know, with Trevor,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like his job's in jeopardy. You know,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is his future in jeopardy. We just haven't
Speaker 1: seen him. We've seen Trevor Lawrence on a big stage
Speaker 1: for you know, the last three years, we haven't seen
Speaker 1: much of Jordan Love had pockets where maybe you saw him.
Speaker 1: But now it gets real. Even though it's preseason, this
Speaker 1: is as real it's it's it's probably gonna get for
Speaker 1: him this season. Yeah, I'm in club. I'll admit I'm
Speaker 1: rooting against Justin Fields. He seems like a great, great guy.
Speaker 1: But Eddie Andie Dalton is in a slightly precarious position
Speaker 1: here in Chicago, isn't he. You're still rooting for Andy Dalton? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is our last chance, Like we
Speaker 1: gotta go ten and seven, get to the playoffs, our
Speaker 1: chance saying we got to get ted and seven. Uh,
Speaker 1: Carl and Alabama. Hi, Carl Wood's on your mind day, Dan,
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call. Yeah, say, I and all
Speaker 1: the guys there for him. But yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 1: comment on the Patriots, but quickly wanted to thank you
Speaker 1: for that Jermaine O'Neil interview. That was fascinating. And I
Speaker 1: grew up in San Antonio and our remember when Larry
Speaker 1: Bird had torched the Spurs in the eighties for about
Speaker 1: forty five points and when he went into the tunnel,
Speaker 1: believe beer was poured on him by one of the
Speaker 1: fans and he went up in the stands and punched
Speaker 1: the guy and had to come back after the season
Speaker 1: and go to stand trial for it. It was thrown out,
Speaker 1: but really enjoyed that. But the yeah, the main reason
Speaker 1: I called as the Patriots. I watched the game last
Speaker 1: night and watched Cam Newton playing and as you know,
Speaker 1: they kick a field goal and they go to commercial,
Speaker 1: I guess, and Washington, you know, does a three and
Speaker 1: out and then mac Genals gets ready to come into
Speaker 1: the game and there's a standing ovation and I'm wondering
Speaker 1: myself to myself, what I mean. I've never seen that before,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if maybe he pulled somebody from
Speaker 1: a burning Carl last week or delivered the baby. But no,
Speaker 1: he's the future, though, Carl, thanks for the phone call.
Speaker 1: We love the future. We love the potential. The fans
Speaker 1: in New England know what they have and Cam, and
Speaker 1: Cam's not leading them to a super Bowl. But now
Speaker 1: we have potential. We have a new quarterback. He's on
Speaker 1: a rookie contract. We have hope here and that's what
Speaker 1: he represents hope. By the way, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: Larry Bird stories, craig Elo was on the floor, I think,
Speaker 1: guarding him, and Larry goes, where's your mom? Because craig
Speaker 1: Elo looks like somebody dropped him off of the basketball game.
Speaker 1: That's pretty mean. Craigielo down on defensive stands. You know
Speaker 1: he's gonna guard Larry. He's like, where's your mom? Man
Speaker 1: Mark and Illinois. Hi, Mark, I'll squeeze you in here. Hey,
Speaker 1: good morning Dan and the dan Ats. First time, long time,
Speaker 1: six five three plus. I really enjoyed Jermainer O'Neil's interviewing
Speaker 1: his comments about the rivalry intensity. I look forward to
Speaker 1: his documentary. I'm a lifelong Pacers fan who was at
Speaker 1: the Malis game, setting in the lower level directly across
Speaker 1: from the fight. I guess my my comment to share
Speaker 1: is that when the game was over, we went up
Speaker 1: to the parking lots and they turned into a mirror
Speaker 1: of the arena. The fuming Pistons fans were looking for
Speaker 1: anybody in pacers and we quickly got to our cars
Speaker 1: and head down. So my other comment is a great
Speaker 1: job Fritzie Bunch, great guests this week and look forward
Speaker 1: to the future. Thank you, Mark, great job, Ton. It's
Speaker 1: nice to hear. Thanks. Ton's got another limerick too coming
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