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Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We

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Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club. He got some special guest joining

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Speaker 2: us this morning.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: We have Kerrie Washington and Delroy Lindo.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Thank you, Good morning to you both.

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Speaker 5: Carrie, first and foremost, How are you you still catching

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Speaker 5: COVID like a twenty twenty right?

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Speaker 6: I am, I'm back in the twenty twenty era. God

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Speaker 6: help us. I'm doing okay. I'm getting better one day

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Speaker 6: at a time. But thank you for being able to

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Speaker 6: do this virtually because I love our show and I

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Speaker 6: want to be able to talk about our show and

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Speaker 6: not get anybody else sick.

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Speaker 3: That's Delroy.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, brother, I'm doing well. I'm doing very well.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, go well man s Luthor You Delroy the

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Speaker 5: legend you've been. You've been acting for almost fifty years.

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Speaker 5: I haven't been fifty.

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Speaker 1: Uh I lose track, but somewhere around there. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean to you? What does it mean to me?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm really I feel fortunate that I'm

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Speaker 1: still working to be honest man knock on wood and

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Speaker 1: still doing work that people seem interested in that feels

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Speaker 1: real good, and this feels good being involved with a

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Speaker 1: project like this, isn't that right?

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Speaker 6: In his Washington I was just thinking, we're the lucky ones,

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Speaker 6: you know that he's still working because he is. To me,

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Speaker 6: Delwar is one of our national treasures. He's like, he's

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Speaker 6: an og He's on my mount rushmore of acting. So

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Speaker 6: that he's still doing it is so generous really, because

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Speaker 6: he could be like, I'm good, I've brought my a game.

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Speaker 6: Everybody knows how good I am. But he's still like

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Speaker 6: invested in everything he does. He makes better because he's

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Speaker 6: in it. So we're blessed that he's.

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Speaker 5: Still working and he just brings us joy, not because

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Speaker 5: of his you know craft. You know, whenever we get

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Speaker 5: a glimpse of that meme where he's dancing in the

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Speaker 5: club in Five Bloods, that didn't look like acting to

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Speaker 5: me though, like he was just having a good time.

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Speaker 1: I like the energy, So you know what, that's that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a good example of something having caught on.

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Speaker 1: I had that I had no idea about, you know,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's it's a terrific kind of example of

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Speaker 1: the work kind of reaching a broader audience. The fact

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Speaker 1: that it gets on to social media like that becomes

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Speaker 1: like a thing in itself, which is which is an

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Speaker 1: added an added bonus to UH to being an actor

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Speaker 1: and working because you know, when we're doing that scene,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. I didn't think that it

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Speaker 1: it's it's good.

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Speaker 3: How many times you had to do that take?

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Speaker 1: You know what? We did it maybe twice because Spike

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Speaker 1: thought about it in the moment. It was literally, we're

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Speaker 1: going to do no no, no. Yeah, that was not

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Speaker 1: that was not scripted, right. Wow, we were in the club.

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Speaker 1: We were doing another scene in the club. He said,

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Speaker 1: let's just do this, and I think we did it twice. Wow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, who before we will get in the un prison

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Speaker 5: but before who, lets you know that that was going

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Speaker 1: My son okay, my son and I started getting you know,

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Speaker 1: look at this, look at this, look at this, but

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Speaker 1: I I had no idea.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Season two of Unprisoned is out now on Hulu. For

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Speaker 2: people who've never seen, break down what Unprisoned is about.

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Speaker 4: Start from season one.

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Speaker 1: Carrie, you want to take that. I mean, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: not only because I'm happy to talk about it, but

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Speaker 1: I want Carry to talk about it just because my

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Speaker 1: involvement with this. The reason I want Carry to talk

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Speaker 1: brought me into this project. And as I said last night,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard this Carrie, but her leadership,

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Speaker 6: I mean, one of the things I love about being

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Speaker 6: it's like to be a returning citizen, you know, when

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Speaker 6: grappling with how we are impacted by this so called

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Speaker 6: I mean, we did. We were at a film festival

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Speaker 6: last year when the show first aired, and we did

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Speaker 6: they were all different races too. I mean, this story,

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Speaker 6: I'm very proud. The story is very much the story

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Speaker 6: of a black family and the particular challenges and joy

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Speaker 6: like we are all dealing with the tragedy that is

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Speaker 6: the justice system in this country and how it impacts

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Speaker 6: us and for generations. But what I love. One thing

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Speaker 6: I would say is that you wouldn't think, having said

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Speaker 6: and this character that Delaware plays, Edwin, is like such

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Speaker 6: a beautiful example of how we may have stereotypes about

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Speaker 1: Or think we have stereotypes. We think we know who

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Speaker 1: human now with a show like this, with work like this,

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Speaker 1: Yes it's a black family, but I believe that one

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Speaker 1: the fact that we're first and foremost presenting human beings

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Speaker 1: up to me and said, mister Linnoy, I just want

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Speaker 1: to thank you for the work. My daddy was incarcerated

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Speaker 2: You know, well, you talk about you know, I was

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Speaker 2: watching you talk about breaking generational curses, right, that seems

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Speaker 2: one of the things that was most important because you

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Speaker 1: So as Carrie was speaking, she talked about the process

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Speaker 1: we're also unpacking what it means to love, what does

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Speaker 1: this process of this into generational pathology. We're repeating itself

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Speaker 6: But I loved about your question was that you said

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Speaker 6: and the reason we don't is because we think we're

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Speaker 6: we have shame that causes us to keep our secrets

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Speaker 6: We're all trying to figure out how to free ourselves,

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Speaker 1: Had a big.

435
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Speaker 6: Right last season, we had a big dance battle scene.

436
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Speaker 6: This season we have an episode where we're in family

437
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 6: therapy and it actually turns into a wrestling match like

438
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Speaker 6: a WWF wrestling match. It's so much fun, and it

439
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 6: really is this idea of like we have to wrestle

440
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 6: with it. We have to wrestle with this stuff. And

441
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 6: I think a therapist, nobody's perfect, So to me, I

442
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 6: always want to make sure that my therapist is in

443
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 6: therapy because nobody is perfect everybody. Therapy is not about

444
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 6: being wrong or bad or broken. It's about perspective and growth,

445
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 6: so everybody should be to me, if you're a therapist,

446
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 6: you should also be bouncing your ideas off of somebody

447
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 6: so that you are fully responsible for the time you're

448
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 6: with your clients and you're not projecting your stuff onto

449
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 6: your patients.

450
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 2: One thing I did see that it's going to be,

451
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: it's gonna a lot of people are gonna really take

452
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: to it is when I guess there's a scene where

453
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: your son wants to talk to his dad.

454
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: And you're like, no, it's not going to happen. I

455
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 4: don't like him, it's not going to happen.

456
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: And I know that happens in a lot of relationships

457
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: where women might not mess with their baby.

458
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: That's not right, thought carry. But but you're like father.

459
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: And he's like, I want to tax my dad and

460
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: that's the rest of the mass that I've seen, so

461
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 2: talk about that a little.

462
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 4: Bit and how that scene came about.

463
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Speaker 6: It's so so again this is like inspired by Tracey

464
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 6: McMillan's life, but also we have this incredible room of writers,

465
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 6: also led by Ivette Lee Bowser, who is like a

466
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 6: comedic goddess, like she was behind and living single. Like

467
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 6: all the shows in the nineties that we love the most,

468
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 6: Yvette Bowser had her fingerprint on them, and so she's

469
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 6: part of why we're able to have this incredible comedic

470
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 6: tone in what we do. Also, Tracy's just hilarious too.

471
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 6: But this issue of like you know, Page has issues

472
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 6: around control and she feels like her baby daddy hasn't

473
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 6: been present in the way that she's wanted him to be,

474
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 6: and so she has a block on their relationship, which

475
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 6: is so ironic, right because she knows the issues that

476
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 6: she deals with from her own dad being in and

477
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 6: out of her life, and yet she's repeating that pattern

478
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 6: with her son by preventing his dad. So I will

479
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 6: let you know that they work through it, and we

480
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 6: do get to meet his dad this season, which is

481
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 6: amazing and it's very humbling for Paige to have to,

482
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 6: you know, be open to that. And one of the

483
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 6: things I want to talk to you, Delroy, because this

484
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 6: is one of the ways you see where the intergenerational

485
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 6: village is so important, because there are ways in which

486
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 6: Page doesn't know how to walk her son through this journey,

487
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 6: but her father, as another man, can walk her son

488
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 6: through this journey with a different kind of wisdom and

489
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 6: a different kind of presence. And so you realize why

490
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 6: it's so important for us to be able to work

491
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 6: on our family connections and heal our family wounds, because

492
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 6: the more that we're able to be in community with

493
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 6: our family, the more growth we can have.

494
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: He is my grandson. Finn is an extraordinary bridge between

495
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: you and I on this journey.

496
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the.

497
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: Young act of Folly who's grown like exponentially in this work.

498
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: And I met his parents last night and I told

499
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: him and his mom started, I'm gonna start crying. But

500
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: it's it's brilliant that he is there functioning as this bridge.

501
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: And you know, we're sitting here and we're having this

502
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: conversation and I didn't know it would be all this.

503
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Carrie, I mean, you know, We didn't know

504
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: it would it would resonate like this. We didn't know

505
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: that it would.

506
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 5: It's telling a story that that that needed to be

507
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 5: told in our communities. It's actually a new story for

508
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 5: our community. Over the last few years, we've been having

509
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 5: these conversations. So to see it in artists like Wow.

510
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: And and and we Hm, we didn't know would have this.

511
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: I did not know it would have this impact necessarily.

512
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: But what I did know, and this is what I

513
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: tried to speak to last night, Carrie, was that there

514
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: was a real commit There seemed to be a real

515
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: commitment to we want to. We want to we want

516
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: to try to climb up the this mountain, we want

517
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: to try to traverse this mountain, and we want to

518
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: try to do this thing. And that was the and

519
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: we want to try to do it like this, And

520
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean that it was kind of prepackaged, but

521
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: our objectives were we want to we want to flip

522
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: the script on this thing if we can. And that

523
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: was one of the things that uh got my attention

524
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: and made me feel, Okay, yeah, I want I'd like

525
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: to be a part of this journey, you know.

526
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: So I think the irony of miss Washington having COVID

527
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 5: right now, is that during COVID so many of us

528
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: were forced to sit down and be still. Yeah, for

529
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 5: the first time in a long time.

530
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

531
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Speaker 3: So a lot of people.

532
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 5: Had to look in that mirror, and that made a

533
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 5: lot of people start realizing, I don't really necessarily like

534
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 5: what I see.

535
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: I need to go do some work on myself. Yes,

536
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you a little secret. If you would

537
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: have asked me what did and I was like everybody else.

538
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: First of all, I got the first round of COVID

539
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: and it kicked me in my in my behind. I mean,

540
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: it did a number on me. But if you would

541
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: say to me in that in that eight months that

542
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: you were in the house with your family, how has it?

543
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: How did it change you? I know it did change me,

544
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: but I'd be hard pressed to articulate it. HM. One

545
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: of the things that was, and this is gonna sound

546
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: so weird, but one of the things that was, I

547
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: didn't mind being in the house.

548
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: I loved it.

549
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I loved it.

550
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 5: The anxiety, parental paranoia was gone. I know everybody, yet

551
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 5: I loved it.

552
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: I did too, And I was not aware of that.

553
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: I was just in it, just doing it, and and

554
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: and turning TV on, and and and watching things that

555
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't ordinarily watch that part. I dug that part.

556
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: So what does that say about me?

557
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: But when you're doing work with full cold because I

558
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 5: was in therapy full cold, oh you.

559
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: Were oh yeah, yeah, no, no, now see this, Well, you've.

560
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 6: Always been doing work on yourself, Joie, right. I think

561
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 6: through your through your craft, you are a very self

562
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 6: self aware person. I think you use the work to

563
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 6: do a lot of the kinds of self reflection that

564
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 6: other people do in therapy.

565
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: I want to believe that. No, that is true. It

566
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: is true because I have not had Yes, I've had

567
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: therapists over the years, but my journey. The journalist asked

568
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: me last night, She said, uh, something like, you know

569
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: what your what's your personal relationship to therapy? You know,

570
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: have you have you been in therapy? How has therapy

571
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: helped you? And I looked at her and I said, uh,

572
00:32:50,480 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: next question please, Because what that question did was it

573
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: challenged me to investigate my own relationship to therapy. Now

574
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: I was not about to do that with this journalist

575
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: right right. But to your question, was I doing work before?

576
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 1: And to what Carrie said again, It sounds like a

577
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: real hackneyed cliche, but but my work has saved my life.

578
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: It's saved my life, has saved my sanity. My work,

579
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: my work, my work, and my work has become has

580
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: has become even more important to me because I haven't

581
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: had a journey, a consistent journey with a therapist. I

582
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: didn't come out of the school it said, black man,

583
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: I don't know therapy. I didn't come out of that school.

584
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: But I had this thing, and I still have this

585
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: thing in my head. I wanted a black mail therapist.

586
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: I felt I wanted a black male therapist, and they're

587
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: hard to find. I mean, it may not be as

588
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: difficult now, but historically for myself, knowing years ago that

589
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: I needed to be in therapy. When I started looking

590
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: and I was right here in New York City, living

591
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: in New York, I wanted a black therapist, and I

592
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: found one eventually who retired. Had he not retired, I

593
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: would have stayed with him. But it's hard. It's hard

594
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: to find a therapist that one really vibes with, who

595
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: kind of gets it. And I felt that with all

596
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: of the other dynamics, I needed a black man.

597
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 5: I felt like I needed a black somebody's culturally competent. Yes,

598
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 5: you don't got to explain things.

599
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Certain things too. Absolutely absolutely.

600
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: You know another theme in this show.

601
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 5: I love any conversation about dealing with your in a child,

602
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 5: So so Kerry talk about the significance.

603
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: Of the interactions Page has with her in a child.

604
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: That little girl is brilliant.

605
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 6: She's Jordan McIntosh, She's phenomenal. And you know, if you

606
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 6: haven't seen the show yet, for anybody who's listening, go

607
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 6: back and watch the first season also because we get

608
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 6: to meet Edwin's in Her Child as well, and it's

609
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 6: one of my favorite episodes of the series. But I

610
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 6: working with Jordan is so joyous for me. You know,

611
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 6: when we were casting this character of Little Page, there

612
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 6: were actually two actresses. It came down to these two

613
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 6: young actresses, and one of them looked more like me

614
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 6: than Jordan, Like she really looked like me, And we

615
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 6: were going back and forth between like is it her

616
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 6: is a Jordan and the difference between what they brought

617
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 6: to the roles both extraordinary young actresses. But the other

618
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 6: girl who looked more like me was had this kind

619
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 6: of sweet innocence of a child, and Jordan comes out

620
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 6: the box swinging right. She's like bold and she's so

621
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 6: spunky and bold and exciting, adventurous. And what we realized

622
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 6: in that process of casting, we had to ask ourselves, like,

623
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 6: what is the point of Little Page on the show?

624
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 6: And what we wanted Little Page to be was we

625
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 6: wanted her to be you know, that part of you

626
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 6: that exists before society tells you that you're not enough,

627
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 6: that part of you that is brave and bold and fearless.

628
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 6: And it's before a teacher tells you you move too slow,

629
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 6: or you're too loud, or you're not pretty enough, or

630
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 6: you're not like all the ways that society gets in

631
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 6: your head. And that's what Jordan was. Jordan was that

632
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 6: fierceness of Page, of me before the world told me

633
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 6: a lie that I was not enough. And so when

634
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 6: we hired her, it was such a gift to the

635
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 6: show because that's what the inner child work is, you know,

636
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 6: and if you've never heard of it from anybody who's listening,

637
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 6: sometimes in therapy, you'll you'll build a relationship with your

638
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 6: younger self, with your inner child, because you want to

639
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 6: go back and do the work to heal the spaces

640
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 6: in you that adults weren't able to take care of

641
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 6: because listen, the adults in our life are not perfect.

642
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 6: I know as a mom, I'm not perfect, right, Like,

643
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 6: we do the best we can. But part of being

644
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 6: an adult is saying like, Okay, maybe I didn't get

645
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 6: everything I needed as a child, but now it's my

646
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 6: job to go back and heal myself so that I

647
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 6: can move forward. I can't just sit around blaming my

648
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 6: mom and dad and whoever whatever teacher in third grade

649
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 6: for who I am today, Like who I am today

650
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 6: is somebody who can take responsibility and heal myself and

651
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 6: move forward. So the relationship with the little Page with

652
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Speaker 6: my inner child on the show is so important because

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Speaker 6: it's part of how Page is doing the work to

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Speaker 6: grow and move forward.

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Speaker 1: What about you, Linda Well said Carrie Well said, Well said, Okay,

656
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Speaker 1: something that everything the carriage just said, everything that Carriages

657
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Speaker 1: articulated makes me think about something that I actually suffer from,

658
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Speaker 1: and that is hiding behind my work. Everything that much

659
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Speaker 1: of what you just said, you're articulating how you try

660
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Speaker 1: to fuse who you are, where you are in your

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Speaker 1: process as a human being, and how you apply all

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Speaker 1: of that into your work and specifically on prison. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I would say more broadly, just who you are

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Speaker 1: on the planet, and that unprisoned is informing that it's

665
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Speaker 1: not the other way around, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: For me.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned that little boy one episode we had him,

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Speaker 1: that young man as my and a child in one

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Speaker 1: episode last in season one, that scene Carrie where he

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Speaker 1: came and held my hand.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: And the beautiful thing about kids so often they're just

673
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Speaker 1: they're just being just being kids. They're just being kids,

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Speaker 1: they're just being human beings. And there was this profound

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Speaker 1: Oh god, there was this profound he came in here,

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Speaker 1: openness and just thereness, and that connected me with who

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Speaker 1: I might have been as a child. And it was,

678
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Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was if you, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a really strong scene for all of us.

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Speaker 1: To your question. My response to your question is, I

681
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Speaker 1: am not sure. Honestly, I'm really not sure what my

682
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Speaker 1: relationship is to In the work, one does one's job.

683
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Speaker 1: The result of one doings one doing one's job, you

684
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Speaker 1: then share that with audiences and it lands, however, it

685
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Speaker 1: lands in a job like this and various other jobs

686
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Speaker 1: that I've done that have that have that have meant

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Speaker 1: something to people. I don't. Necessarily I do not unless

688
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Speaker 1: I'm asked by a journalist tell me about X, tell

689
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Speaker 1: me about one. I don't deconstruct how or why. But

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of compelled to deconstruct when I'm asked for

691
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Speaker 1: and questions when I'm engaging in certain conversations. So when

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Speaker 1: you say to me, what about you, mister Lindo, my

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Speaker 1: first response is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And on some level that's a that's a that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's a scary place to be. But it affirms that

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Speaker 1: throughout all of my foibles, all of my insecurities, all

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Speaker 1: of my neuroses as a as a human being, something

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Speaker 1: in the work centrally has some value to my fellow

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Speaker 1: human beings. And that's why one wants to be an

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Speaker 1: actor in the first place.

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Speaker 5: Is it because the character Edwin is forcing Delroy lindo

703
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Speaker 5: to have to deal with some things that del Roy

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Speaker 5: Lindo's never dealt with. Because I was gonna ask, like,

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Speaker 5: even with the inner child thing, you know, you being

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Speaker 5: an elder, does your inner child.

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Speaker 3: Ever get the healing they deserve?

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Speaker 5: And because they say when you're eat questions, when you

709
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Speaker 5: get to your age now. It's like you go back

710
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Speaker 5: to great question. Great question. And I would say that

711
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Speaker 5: I'm navigating that. I don't know if it's my inner child.

712
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Speaker 5: I guess it is my inner child. I'm navigating that as.

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Speaker 1: We speak, partially through the work, but I'm also running

714
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Speaker 1: a memoir right now, and in and in and and

715
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Speaker 1: Carrie and I have talked about this somewhat, but then

716
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Speaker 1: and in engaging in that process and engaging in stuff

717
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Speaker 1: that happened to me when I was four or five, six, seven,

718
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Speaker 1: eight years old? Right right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: How does one understand that? How does one get to

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Speaker 1: a place of understanding with that stuff? And I'm I'm

722
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Speaker 1: I'm unpacking all of that right now. So I would

723
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Speaker 1: say I would say that this I know more now

724
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Speaker 1: than I knew four five years ago. I know more

725
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Speaker 1: now than I did ten years ago. For sure, your question,

726
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Speaker 1: how is that for you, mister Lindo, It's it's it's

727
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Speaker 1: it's an unfolding and evolving process as we speak.

728
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Speaker 6: Because but even that, I'm sorry, I don't want to

729
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Speaker 6: interrupt you. Go ahead carry even that as I sit

730
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Speaker 6: here watching you as one of our greatest, as one

731
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Speaker 6: of our wisest as one of our best. It's for

732
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Speaker 6: you to have the courage to sit at a table

733
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Speaker 6: and say, I don't know, I'm in process, I'm unpacking,

734
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Speaker 6: I'm unfolding. That gives so many of us permission to

735
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Speaker 6: be in process. And to me, that's so much of

736
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Speaker 6: what we need is just the permission to not have

737
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Speaker 6: to like walk out the door and be perfect and

738
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Speaker 6: have all the answers, but to say, like, it's okay

739
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Speaker 6: that I have days where I'm not sure. It's okay

740
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Speaker 6: that I have days when I need help. And I

741
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Speaker 6: think I think that's one of the things that I

742
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Speaker 6: love about our show is that we're so in process.

743
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Speaker 6: We are a family that is so in processed, but

744
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Speaker 6: there's so much joy. Like we're not pulling our guts

745
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Speaker 6: out to suffer. We're doing the work because you get

746
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Speaker 6: to see all through the season every time we do

747
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Speaker 6: the work. On the other side is more love, is

748
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Speaker 6: more joy, is more acceptance, more belonging, even.

749
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Speaker 1: When the love is flawed, Even when the love is flawed.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it.

751
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Speaker 1: Is flawed all day long. Right, And we're we're what's this,

752
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Speaker 1: We're in the We're in the mud man and we're

753
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Speaker 1: trying to see it and and mold it and fit

754
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Speaker 1: all that. And that's profoundly human. You said something, it's

755
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Speaker 1: profoundly human. You said something that's connected to what we're

756
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Speaker 1: discussing right now. You said, I'm going on Stephen Colbert tonight.

757
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Speaker 1: Did you say that given the events of the last

758
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Speaker 1: what day is this Tuesday?

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Speaker 3: Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: Thursday? When it is okay? All right? So given the

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Speaker 1: events of uh since last Friday and Saturday and Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and you're going onto a You're going into a a

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Speaker 1: sphere where I don't know if you're going to talk

764
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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 3: But we are because it's live after the convention to.

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Speaker 1: Night, okay, And I'm wondering, and this is too, This

767
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Speaker 1: is this speaks to how how we connect with ourselves

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Speaker 1: and how we communicate in the world. How much realness

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Speaker 1: do you bring to that.

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Speaker 3: All of it? Because this is a moment that's way

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Speaker 3: bigger than us right now.

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Speaker 1: It's way bigger than that in us, And I'm scared

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: We're at a very pivotal point in our society.

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Speaker 1: Right now, but it's more pivotal than the pivotal than

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Speaker 1: how pivotal it was last week.

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course, yes, of course, Sharper.

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Speaker 1: Now because the way this has come down in the

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Speaker 1: last four or five days absolutely scary. Oh, it's terrified

780
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Speaker 1: about what.

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Speaker 5: The Supreme Court is doing, what I don't even think

782
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Speaker 5: is in a legitimate court anymore.

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Speaker 3: On top of on the way there's a yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot, it's a lot, and and and what

785
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Speaker 1: we're what we've been talking about in this, in this,

786
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: in this, in this conversation has to do with a

787
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Speaker 1: certain kind of truth that we as actors are trying

788
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Speaker 1: to get to. Truth for ourselves as human beings, truth

789
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Speaker 1: for ourselves as as as creative workers. And we're trying

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Speaker 1: to bring all of that together, and we're and we're

791
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Speaker 1: we're putting it out there and now we the next

792
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Speaker 1: another dimension of having messed around with that truth is

793
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Speaker 1: now dealing with how that truth has impacted our actors,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, our audiences.

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Speaker 2: Which is crazy as is. You know, Carrie, A lot

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Speaker 2: of this seems like scandal. A lot of it seems

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Speaker 2: like we've seen it before on your show. Can you

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Speaker 2: talk about that, how this seems like it's like it's

799
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Speaker 2: reliving again and.

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Speaker 5: It was a whole episode of Scandal that this happened, yes, life, Yes,

801
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Speaker 5: because people were saying people were saying, it's stage, but

802
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Speaker 5: we know it's not stage.

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Speaker 3: But the episode of Scandal when he did stage it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know. One of the things that

805
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 6: that I want us to be talking about more is

806
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Speaker 6: that too many of us are not participating in the process.

807
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Speaker 6: Are not are thinking that it's okay to not vote,

808
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Speaker 6: our feeling like there's no point in participating.

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Speaker 1: They set up like that, Carrie, the process is set

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Speaker 1: up like that.

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Speaker 6: I know, I know, but let me let me just say.

812
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Speaker 6: What concerns me is that so much of it stems

813
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Speaker 6: from this belief that we have internalized that we don't matter.

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Speaker 6: And that's part of why this work that we do

815
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Speaker 6: matters to me, is because we tell these stories so

816
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 6: that people see themselves, so that they know that they matter.

817
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Speaker 6: And I want people to participate in our democratic process

818
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Speaker 6: because I want you to know that you matter. Like

819
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Speaker 6: this word democracy is getting thrown around, what I want

820
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Speaker 6: to remind people is that what it means is a

821
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Speaker 6: government for the people. By now, we don't do that

822
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Speaker 6: perfectly in this country. I know that we all know that,

823
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Speaker 6: but we don't fix it by stepping out of the process.

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Speaker 6: And I know that that's hard, because life is very

825
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Speaker 6: hard for a lot of us, and we feel like

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Speaker 6: we want to step out of the process because the

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Speaker 6: process isn't made for us, and the process isn't isn't

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Speaker 6: working for us, and the process doesn't include us. We

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Speaker 6: have to force ourselves into the process because the alternative

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Speaker 6: is not a government by the people for the people,

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Speaker 6: but an autocrat, which means like a president who does

832
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Speaker 6: whatever he wants, he wants however he wants, and accountability.

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Speaker 6: They're not being coy about it, like they have a

834
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Speaker 6: very clear point by point this project twenty five it

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Speaker 6: will have a catastrophic impact on education, on healthcare, on

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Speaker 6: the economy, and they're not being shy about it. They

837
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Speaker 6: are telling us that they want to change the government

838
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Speaker 6: so that it is no longer a government by the

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Speaker 6: people for the people, that it doesn't even have that

840
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Speaker 6: dream that it's going to be a government for the

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Speaker 6: president and his friends, and we are not his friends.

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Speaker 5: I'm wondering, if you know, the way the Supreme Court

843
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Speaker 5: is set up beca not even a legitimate institution anymore.

844
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Speaker 5: I'm wondering, right now, are we do we even have

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Speaker 5: a healthy enough democracy to have a free and fair

846
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Speaker 5: election in November.

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Speaker 1: Okay, totally legitimate question. One thing carry for all of

848
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Speaker 1: us because this is this is this is it's beyond

849
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Speaker 1: critically important. It's existential. It's existential. I don't think that

850
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Speaker 1: the people who are not participating are necessarily doing it

851
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Speaker 1: consciously internalized. They've internalized this narrative that says, as you said,

852
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Speaker 1: you don't matter, it doesn't matter, you don't count, it

853
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and you internalize that and then it becomes

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Speaker 1: w t F. That's right, that's what we have.

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Speaker 6: That's what we have to address when sorry.

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Speaker 1: No, no, that's what has to be addressed. That's that's

857
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Speaker 1: what has to be on some level, the process in

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Speaker 1: which folk have internalized just what you said, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: How do we unpack that, How do we deconstruct that

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Speaker 1: and say, yeah, it matters, And how do we articulate

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Speaker 1: that in a way that turns them on, flips the

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Speaker 1: switch for them.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but I do, But I do know

866
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Speaker 6: that all the concerns we have will not be fixed

867
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Speaker 6: by stepping out of the process, by deciding that there's

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Speaker 6: nothing we can do that will not for sure be

869
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 6: that will not move us toward a solution. So don't don't.

870
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 6: I don't know what each person wants to do, but

871
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 6: there's so much that we can do right now. We

872
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 6: can check our own voter registration. We can reach out

873
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 6: to five friends who we know aren't planning to vote

874
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 6: and beg them, try to help them to understand. Because

875
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 6: the best person to communicate somebody to the importance of

876
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 6: voting as somebody's friend or family member, not a celebrity,

877
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 6: not a politician, not anything. We can all support grassroots organizations.

878
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 6: There are grassroots organizations all over the country who are

879
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 6: doing the heavy work of democracy building. We can support

880
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 6: those organizations. We can focus on local races. We can volunteer,

881
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 6: we can make phone calls. We can if we have

882
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 6: the money to donate, we can do it. There's there

883
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 6: is so much that we can do. And I find

884
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 6: that when I am feeling hopeless and afraid, the more

885
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 6: that I click into community and try to do something,

886
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 6: the better I feel. So, even if it's just like

887
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 6: a part of your own mental health strategy, because I

888
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 6: believe that that participating in politics is part of how

889
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 6: I exercise self care and self love like I express

890
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 6: my love for my community by showing up in my

891
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 6: democratic process because I know that it matters.

892
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: This is the Black Dinner table. You think about all

893
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: the issues we.

894
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 4: Come biracial, coming from jail.

895
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: Everything.

896
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 4: God, I mean, we appreciate you guys for joining us

897
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 4: so much.

898
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: We need you guys.

899
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: We need you guys back and especially uh, you know, individually,

900
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: so we can talk about your both of your careers anniversary.

901
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: We got to discuss almost die. Oh, I know, I got,

902
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: I know, y'all got to go.

903
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 5: I do have to ask the Romeo on the die

904
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 5: question because mister Lindo, you worked with a Lea, you

905
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 5: played a Leah's father. Does it make you appreciate life

906
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 5: more because you're still here at seventy one and those

907
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 5: two beautiful individuals have.

908
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. And that I

909
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: didn't know DMX as well, uh because we didn't work together.

910
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: But that young lady was such a beautiful spirit man

911
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know she had this, I didn't know

912
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: who she was before we did the film. Extraordinarily beautiful spirit.

913
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: She was like a spune. She just wanted she wanted

914
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: to learn. She wanted to she wanted to move herself

915
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: forward in terms of whatever her public, what, what her

916
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: image was. The young lady that I knew, that I

917
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: interacted with was a profoundly beautiful spirit. You know, it

918
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: broke my heart when we lost her.

919
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: Man, you remember where you were.

920
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: I know exactly where I was. I was in the

921
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: e r with my son. I was in the room

922
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: with my son. My son had developed this breathing thing,

923
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: and we took him to the hospital. It is being

924
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: seen by a doctor. And I stepped outside. I stepped

925
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: outside to the parking lot and I started getting all

926
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: these texts, so sorry to hear, so sorry to hear.

927
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: And I said what what what? What? And I and

928
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: then a friend of mine said, oh my god, we

929
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: lost a Leah. And I screamed out and I didn't know.

930
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: I screamed that there were two sisters in the parking

931
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: lot and they said, sir, are you all right? And

932
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: that's where I was. I was in the I was

933
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: in the Oakland Children's Hospital in the parking lot when

934
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: I found out about a Leah. Wow. So to your question, man,

935
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: and one doesn't always think about these things in these

936
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: kinds of terms. I'm so I'm so fortunate to still

937
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: be here. But man, yeah, and then DMX, we didn't

938
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: have any scenes together. I was walking down Canal Street.

939
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: I was walking on Canal and Houston Street and this

940
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: car pulls up, a big black SUV and the window

941
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 1: rolls down. It's d MX. Yo yo yo yo yo. Man,

942
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing now, bet that that that

943
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: was it. But the respect, the connection, you know what

944
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean. So the fact that they are no longer

945
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: here and I am I'm I'm being a parent, I'm working,

946
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing im important, I'm having important communications with important people.

947
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: And when I say important, I'm talking about people who

948
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: are culturally plugged in and committed to moving our culture forward.

949
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: But it's not just it's not just this cultural thing.

950
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: It's the fact that we happen to be human beings,

951
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: African descented human beings, and we're trying to move this

952
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: thing forward for all of us. And I got to

953
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: say this, it ain't just about black people. It's about

954
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: the condition of being a human being on the planet,

955
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: of what we contribute, what we continue to contribute, what

956
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: we contributed historically, and the fact that all the stuff

957
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: we bring to the table right in this process of

958
00:56:53,040 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: living that constantly gets downplayed and undervalued. And it's our jobs,

959
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: going back to what we talked about originally in the

960
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: beginning of this conversation, to interrupt that process and say, uh,

961
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: we're here, we're important, this is what we do, and

962
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: y'all have to listen to us. And it's critical to

963
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: tell those met to tell those stories to our children

964
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: because they will then take it that step further.

965
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Speaker 4: All right, well, there you have it Season two.

966
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: Thank you, God, bless y'all.

967
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 4: We thank you for joining us. Kerry Washington, Delroy Lindo,

968
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 4: thank you so much.

969
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: Feel better, feel better, Wake that ass up in the morning.

970
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club.