1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: my name is Noel. 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis codename 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 4: Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here, and that 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 4: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 4: It is the top of the week, and you know 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,319 Speaker 4: what that means. Fellow conspiracy realist, It is time for 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 4: some strange news. We're gonna learn a little bit about 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 4: a real life Yogi bear at the end, just as 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 4: a palate cleanser. It turns out the newest jet stealth 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 4: technology is pretty good, and we're going to investigate something 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: that has disturbed all of us, I think over in 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: Los Angeles. Before we do any of that, we're going 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 4: to we're going to tell you a story that it 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 4: appears the West would rather you not know. We were 21 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 4: talking about this a little bit off air because we 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: do continually text each other. Weren't a very strange romance. 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 4: So so you guys ever heard of Armenia? 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 5: You know, Ben I mentioned this in our group texts. 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 5: I'm going to go ahead and cop to it. Everything 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 5: I've learned about the political struggles in Armenia I learned 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 5: from the band system of a. 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: Down AH great band. 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 5: Ye are a great band, one of the few bands 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 5: of that air that hold up, and they are Armenian 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 5: and a lot of their song lyrics are about some 32 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 5: of the genocide in Armenia and things like that in 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 5: the past. 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: But I'm sadly not up to speed. 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: Well. Back in twenty fifteen, NOL, just before you officially 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: came on, we did an episode on genocide, specifically focusing 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: on AH might say it wrong, meds Jeggern Jergen. I 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: don't know how to say it correctly. I apologize everyone 39 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: quote the great evil crime of the Armenian genocide. And 40 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: that's when. That's the only time I've really spent a 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: lot of time in that headspace. I guess learning about 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: the country and the politics. 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 4: What's happening now is not being widely reported, perhaps with 44 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: the same level of diligence that you will read in 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 4: terms of Western reporting on the Ukrainian conflict with Russia. 46 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 4: Here's what you need to know, folks. Quite recently, the 47 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 4: nation of Azerbaijan. It's kind of like the peak best 48 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 4: of the stands. I'm doing Beatles jokes inappropriately. Azerbaijan has 49 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: attacked an enclave of Armenia. And while this is happening, 50 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 4: they are committing war crimes. They are using state level 51 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: military tactics against civilians. Turkey is refusing to help Turkey, 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: of course, being the number one fanboys of eliminating all 53 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: Armenian people. The Armenian genocide to which you refer Matt 54 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 4: occurred in nineteen fifteen. Nineteen sixteen, but again history is 55 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 4: way closer than it looks in the rear view mirror. 56 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: More than a million people probably died, executed civilians, and 57 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: this was a genocide. I really appreciate you pointing out 58 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 4: our earlier episode on genocide, because we know, we know 59 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 4: the word itself gets a bit legalistic, right, and some 60 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: people feel that they own the phrase genocide. 61 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 5: Well, it's like also a phrase that maybe maybe I'm wrong. 62 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 5: Is there a spectrum within which the term genocide exists 63 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 5: or is it referring to something very specific? 64 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 4: That's the debate you will have often at the United 65 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: Nations right, and in criminal courts around the world. No 66 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: country wants to be identified as a perpetrator of genocide. 67 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 4: And we might lose our ability to enter Turkey for 68 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: saying this. The nation of Turkey, but not the people 69 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 4: of Turkey. The government of Turkey has been attempting to 70 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 4: erase the existence of Armenia for quite some time, for 71 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 4: more than a century now, if not earlier. And here's 72 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 4: what happened. So if you look at a map, if 73 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: you pull up a map of Azerbaijan and Armenia, and 74 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 4: you'll see that they are neighbors. To the north of 75 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 4: them is Georgia. And Georgia as a country is I'm 76 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 4: gonna be honest, it's a little bit cooler than Georgia, 77 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: the state in the US. And then there's Russia right 78 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 4: right to the northeast. Armenia shares a border with Turkey 79 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: and Iran. In the old days of the USSR, due 80 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 4: entirely to geography, Armenia was a Soviet state, and when 81 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 4: the USSR fell toward what the West calls the end 82 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: of the Cold War, they retained security agreements. The Federated 83 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 4: States of Russia said, look, we had a good run. 84 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: You know, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, et cetera. All the stands, 85 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 4: but we will maintain security agreements. Uncle Sam has done 86 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 4: little to nothing to protect Armenian civilians from attacks. And 87 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 4: as as we were talking about, because we're super fun 88 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: in our group text, as we're as we were talking 89 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: about earlier geography decides all, hang. 90 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: On, oh, let's keep this, let's keep this in. 91 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 4: I got a cat scratching these things. 92 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: Well, hey, while you're while you're dealing with that, Ben, 93 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: I just wanted to back you up on that point 94 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: about how the US hasn't really done anything. I was 95 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: recalling as you were talking about that back in twenty 96 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: twenty one, the current president, Joe Biden, President of the 97 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: United States, he had made a campaign promise to recognize 98 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: the Armenian genocide, and it was made public in twenty 99 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: twenty one that he was going to come forward and 100 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: you know, and it's so weird with diplomacy. He was 101 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: just going to say out loud at a podium that 102 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: the United States recognizes the genocide around you know that 103 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: that April date when it's recognized and just recognized. Yeah, 104 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: just any but Turkey came forward. It was basically like, hey, 105 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: you really shouldn't. You shouldn't do that. It's really going 106 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: to harm ties with Turkey, so you really shouldn't. But 107 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: he did it anyway, So I mean, it's again, it's 108 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: not doing anything, but it's crazy that just recognizing it 109 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: is such a big diplomatic move one way or the other. 110 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: Right, similar to to one and China, perhaps similar to 111 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: some other things closer to home, folks, We would love 112 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: to hear your opinion. This is what's happening now. As 113 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 4: the West was reporting on Ukraine. As the West was 114 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: talking about I don't know whatever is happening with celebrities. 115 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: The Russian Empire and its current state fell, and when 116 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: in any empire falls, it's a lot like a whale 117 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: sinking to the bottom of the seafloor. Skavs appear Armenia 118 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 4: had a security agreement with a state that can no 119 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: longer support that agreement. At the same time, on the 120 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: chess board, the nation of Turkey has joined NATO. NATO 121 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 4: is a tricky group project. If you're in NATO and 122 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 4: you say nah, don't do it, then everybody else in 123 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: NATO will have to say a this guy doesn't want it, 124 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: so NATO and therefore the United States are likely not 125 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: going to help again these innocent people. The issue is 126 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 4: here that it's like if you bought insurance or you 127 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,119 Speaker 4: invested in stocks for a company that no longer exists, 128 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 4: how will you how will you retain that investment? That's 129 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 4: the question. 130 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: Now. 131 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: Azerbaijan is a country that, in full disclosure, those of 132 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 4: us on the show today would have a hard time visiting. 133 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: We could get in, but getting out becomes a different conversation, 134 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 4: primarily due to the proximity of Iran and Armenian. Now 135 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 4: as we're recording, there's a ceasefire broker by ostensibly the 136 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: Russian government, but that ceasefire is probably not going to 137 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: hold because what Azerbaijan is attacking is an enclave of 138 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 4: Armenian people and Armenian against civilian population in a place 139 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: called Nigrno Karabakh no Gorno karabak Is. It's weird if 140 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 4: you look at a map because it's outside of the 141 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: legal borders of Armenia, but the people living there they're 142 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 4: all Armenian. And Azerbaijan was kind of like a bad 143 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 4: dog when Russia held the leash and Russia has its 144 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 4: own thing to fry. So to be clear, to your point, 145 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 4: nol system of a down, absolutely right. I don't care 146 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 4: how people feel about math rock. First off, they are 147 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 4: good at math rock. But secondly they are right in 148 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 4: that the West is ignoring war crimes against civilians. I 149 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 4: don't know, maybe the West wants us blissfully ignorant. What 150 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 4: do you guys think? 151 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 5: Is this in some way a continuation of the war 152 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 5: crimes of the past. Again, I wasn't in on that episode. 153 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 5: I am woefully underschooled. Can you kind of give us 154 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 5: a little bit more context? 155 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 3: Maybe? Yes? 156 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 4: Sure, So, first thing, we all must acknowledge geography determined civilizations. 157 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 4: Azerbaijan has the coast of the Casbian Sea, and to 158 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 4: the west of Azerbaijan is Armenia, sandwiched between Azerbaijan and 159 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 4: Turkyer and to the south by Irad. We're keeping Georgia 160 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: out of the conversation because they might be in the 161 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: same boat later if this chaos continues. This to be clear, 162 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: this is a future episode and we're just giving a 163 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,479 Speaker 4: quick primer here. There is no shame, no judgment, no condescension. 164 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: During World War One, the Ottoman Empire, which is like 165 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 4: the For conservative Turkish politicians, it's like the Confederacy, but 166 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: way longer and way more successful. During World War One, 167 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: the Ottoman Empire sought to systematically destroy Armenia as a nation, 168 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: as a concept, and as a people. 169 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: This is true. 170 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 4: Doesn't matter if this gets us in trouble with the 171 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 4: leaders of Turkey. It is simply factual. They tried to 172 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 4: kill every Armenian person and the issues there After World 173 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: War One, of course, the Ottoman Empire, which honestly always 174 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: kind of sucked it fell and the USSR came into being, 175 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: became a global power, became a hedgemon and started to 176 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: take control of anything within its sphere of influence. And 177 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: that counts all the stands, that counts all of like 178 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 4: the Georgias, the Eastern europe countries, Eastern European countries that 179 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: counts Armenia, and Armenia was for a time tacitly protected. 180 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: Armenia due to geography, could not ever crack a deal 181 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 4: with NATO or the US. And when Russia fell, and 182 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 4: Russia is a collapse state now, folks. When Russia fell, 183 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: the government of Azerbaijan in cooperation with the government of 184 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 4: Turkey conspired and does conspire to erase these people. It's 185 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 4: always been the genocide question that that is the ultimate aim. 186 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 4: If we could, we would love to ask for your help. 187 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 4: Fellow conspiracy realist one eight three three STDWYTK conspiracy Diheartradio 188 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 4: dot com. Want to end this segment with a message 189 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 4: from an Armenian contact of ours who is outside of 190 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: the country. We have changed some of the specifics in 191 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: the interest of protecting the innocent. Here it is Armenians 192 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 4: are seeing their worst nightmare come true. Every single one 193 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: of us was raised with stories of the horrors of 194 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 4: the Armenian genocide. My namesake, my great grandmother, hid under 195 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 4: dead bodies while her family was slaughtered. The person writing 196 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 4: to us, by the way, is about the same age 197 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 4: as you, if you're listening to the show. She and 198 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 4: her sister survived, but their losses mark them forever. Like 199 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: in many traditional families, my great grandmother and grandparents lived 200 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 4: with my parents and siblings, all under one roof. My 201 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 4: grandmother died only speaking Turkish, having lost her mother tongue. 202 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: I was raised by a family very active in passing 203 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 4: legislation commemorating the Armenian genocide in the United States, we 204 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: skip school every year on April twenty fourth to gather 205 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: at city Hall never again. We said, well, make no 206 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 4: mistake that what is happening now is Erdigon, the leader 207 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: of Turkey and Aliev taking care of unfinished business. To them, 208 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 4: we are only sub human pest in the way of 209 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 4: a united Turkish Empire. Children in Azerbaijan are taught this 210 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 4: in grade school. 211 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: Heavy. 212 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's super heavy, just to grow up kind of 213 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 5: in the shadow of that, you know, the specter of that, 214 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 5: kind of it. 215 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: Just feels like you wouldn't be able to feel truly safe. 216 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: It makes me realize how disconnected I am personally from 217 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: that part of the world. News coming out of that 218 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: part of the world, culturally, that part of the world, 219 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: everywhere around there. I didn't realize that last year in 220 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, Turkey went to the UN and changed 221 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: the spelling of the name of the Republic of Turkey. 222 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: Then you were pronouncing it a little differently than I 223 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: had heard before, and I was like, oh, oh, that's why, 224 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: cause I looked at a map for the first time 225 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: and looked at Turkey for the first time, and I 226 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: don't know when maybe since that twenty fifteen episode, and 227 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: I was just like, again, the disconnect is so strong. 228 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: It makes me really sad listening to that message. 229 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 4: You know why they changed the name Matt No true story. 230 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: They got pissed about how turkey in English is a 231 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: description of a somewhat dickish, flightless bird. They're mad about turkeys, 232 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 4: just like us. 233 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: We talked about that's so funny, That is so funny. 234 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: That was their thing. Yeah, yeah, So we are going 235 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: to hopefully do an episode on this in the future. 236 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 4: If you are listening in that part of the world, 237 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 4: if you have loved ones in that part of the world, 238 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 4: tell us your stories. We cannot emphasize this enough. It 239 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 4: is easy, in a world of ubiquitous communication and constant headlines, 240 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: it is devilishly and damnably easy to forget that the 241 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 4: world exists and other things are happening there. So help 242 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: us spread the word, help us learn more, Take us 243 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 4: to the edge of the rabbit hole. We have your back, folks. 244 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 4: We're going to go to a commercial break, and then 245 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 4: we are going to We're going to explore a pretty 246 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: fascinating story about just how good Uncle Sam's jet stealth 247 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 4: technology is, but maybe not the seats. 248 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 5: And we're back ben beautiful pre ad T's here. 249 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: I think we've all been keeping an eye on this 250 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 3: story about a very expensive aeroplane that went missing. 251 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 5: How does that happen? You might ask, how could we 252 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 5: let this happen? Well, the Lockheed Martin F thirty five 253 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: B a variant of the F thirty five, which is 254 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 5: specifically designed for the Marine Corps. It has a nifty 255 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 5: feature that allows it to take off and like hover 256 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 5: mode so that it can take off from an aircraft carrier. Well, someone, 257 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 5: a pilot who has not been named, was taking one 258 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 5: of these out on a training maneuver whatever you want 259 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 5: to call it, and for whatever reason, ejected from a cockpit. 260 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 5: And then weirdly, the plane kept flying for quite a 261 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 5: long time. 262 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 3: People saw it on a beach, like, took videos of 263 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 3: it and for a little while, for a couple of 264 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 3: days at least, it was a mystery. 265 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: And you know, the. 266 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 3: Government literally was like it was almost like they were 267 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: putting like milk carton pictures. 268 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 5: You know, have you seen this plane? Here's a phone number. 269 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 5: You know, we missed our little we miss our baby. 270 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 5: Please help us bring our baby home. Our one hundred 271 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 5: million dollar baby. 272 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 4: It was like if you're a kid in playing baseball 273 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: and you hit the ball in a nice home run 274 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 4: into a neighbor's yard or somewhere, and you're like, hey, guys, 275 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: no harm, no foul. If you happened to see you 276 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: described it perfectly, no missing pet posters. 277 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 3: It's hilarious. 278 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 5: I mean, at the end of the day, the takeaway 279 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 5: of it, there was a couple of takeaways of the story. 280 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: One a one hundred million dollar war toy can go missing, 281 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: and two said one hundred million dollar war toy may 282 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 3: have some issues. It seems like there have been other 283 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 3: instances of some potential snags in this Lockheed Martin design, 284 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: and some of them relate specifically to the ejector seat. 285 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: It's my understanding, and y'all please keep me in check 286 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: here that this particular variance, again because of its ability 287 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: to take off in land like a helicopter, always makes 288 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 3: me think of the X men jet, you know whatever, 289 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 3: whatever it's called, the X Wing. 290 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 5: I don't know it's it's it was like that. It 291 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 5: was like a hover thing, and I guess at the 292 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 5: time that like didn't exist. Maybe this is definitely I mean, 293 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 5: I know there are aircraft that can do this, but 294 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 5: it feels like it's it's pretty intensely you know, cutting 295 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 5: edge technology. 296 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: You might be thinking of the Avengers, Quinn Jet, the 297 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 4: x Men jets, a Blackbird. 298 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: That's right, I think he caught me. 299 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 5: I think I was thinking of the Avengers jet that 300 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 5: has the vertical landing thing, because it had like jets 301 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 5: that would kind of flip upside down like shooting rockets. 302 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 5: You know, that's not quite how that would work. Probably, 303 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 5: I don't quite understand. It's beyond my pay grade the 304 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 5: technology that allows them to do this. But again, this variant, 305 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 5: because of the ability that it has to take off 306 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 5: vertically and land vertically, Apparently the ejector seat has like 307 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 5: an auto eject function. That's what I'm saying, you know 308 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 5: that saying exactly specifically on this variant. The other ones 309 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 5: are different. You have to initiate the eject sequence. Eject 310 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 5: sequence initiated in the other models. So the question you 311 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 5: all might be asking, or have asked, I'm sure, is Oh, 312 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 5: by the way, we also talked about this off Mike. 313 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 5: They are describing the event that led to the ejection 314 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 5: as a what was the word been a mishap, A mishap, right, yeah, 315 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 5: and aviation parlance, apparently that is a word that means 316 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 5: we don't want to talk about it, or we can't 317 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: tell you about it, or we don't know it's some 318 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 5: sort of technical difficulty a glitch, and that's it would 319 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 5: make sense, you know this Apparently the program for these 320 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 5: f thirty fives has ballooned to over one point seven 321 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 5: trillion dollars. What no way not to get on a 322 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 5: soapbox here, But it makes me really sick when the 323 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 5: government pleads poverty about things like education and welfare services 324 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 5: and just general humanitarian aid for its citizens. Like, you know, 325 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 5: I have insurance, but my health care sucks and it's 326 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 5: like expensive no matter what, and not God forbid people 327 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 5: that don't have insurance. And yet we're spending one point 328 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 5: seven trillion dollars on these war toys. And I know 329 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 5: I'm being flippant. I know it's about offense. I know 330 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 5: we have to maintain supremacy and the air and the 331 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 5: sea and all of that stuff, or at least the 332 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 5: illusion thereof. But I feel like, you know, we we've 333 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 5: we've we've done stories about them spending millions of dollars 334 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 5: on like coffee warmers. 335 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: You know, it just seems like it's the military is 336 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: a money pit. 337 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 2: Are you trying to take money out of Lockheed Martin's pocket? Bro? 338 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean this guy. I know, man, I 339 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: know it's a hot take for sure. 340 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 4: But no, you're right. 341 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: You're right. 342 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 4: Eisenhower would agree with you in the most controversial speech 343 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 4: he made. You know, this is every bomb dropped right, 344 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 4: every every defense R and D project could have made. 345 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 4: How many libraries could have fed? How many children? It's 346 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 4: a good question. 347 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they are making f thirty five B lightning twos, 348 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: which is like a fat ass. 349 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 5: Videos the New Jordan's, don't get me wrong. 350 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: That's why. Look again, I'm I'm not trying to be flip. 351 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: I'm calling it a war toy. 352 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 5: Because that's just kind of what it feels like to me. 353 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 5: It just sounds like a cool ass, you know, plaything. 354 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: You know. 355 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 5: And apparently this one had some issues because again I'm sorry, 356 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 5: I sort of got ahead of myself, or at least 357 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 5: derailed myself. The question you might be asking is why 358 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 5: would this eject sequence happen and then the plane continue 359 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 5: to fly for more than sixty months. This critical thing 360 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 5: could have happened that caused this pilot to be ejected, 361 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 5: and then the plane just whoop, there it is, look 362 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 5: at it go. 363 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: You know it would weep there it is. 364 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: Would be really messed up if it was just like 365 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: some software issue and the AU auto eject just occurred. 366 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: And he's like, wait, what, this. 367 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 4: Is why we do training though, this is why you 368 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 4: gotta take it around the block, you know what I mean. 369 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 4: The problem is these test drives occur hundreds of millions 370 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 4: of dollars later, and again I was an absolute terrible 371 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 4: entity on Twitter. You guys saw it, and I was 372 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 4: just saying, hey, it turns out that new Stealth is 373 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 4: pretty top notch. 374 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 3: Oh that's a big part of Yeah, like where to go? 375 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: You know? 376 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 377 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: Your question? No, you know it reminded me. I want 378 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 4: to go back to this amazing analogy you make with 379 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 4: a lost pet, which is, like you've seen it countless times, folks. 380 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 4: If you live in an area where people are safe 381 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 4: enough to have domestic animals, someone might have their dog 382 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: on a leash and the dog runs away and the 383 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 4: owner is like, nah, I don't have the land speed 384 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 4: to catch this little guy. I guess I got to 385 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 4: go home and print some posters. But the parachuting thing, 386 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 4: the ejection thing, I think that's a good measure to have, 387 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 4: because if you're counting on only voluntary ejection, then other 388 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 4: variables enter into the game, right, Like what if the 389 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: pilot passes out? What if the pilot is some one 390 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: hundred estated. 391 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 5: Geez right, like you could you can pass out from 392 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 5: G force. There's a lot of butt ifs for. 393 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: Dansure do what you got, Matt, Well, Okay, so this 394 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: is what we know from the AP news article that 395 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: came out when this was like first happening. This is 396 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: what I read. At least, it was stating that the warplane, 397 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: the jet was only flying at about one thousand feet altitude, 398 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: which is super low for one of these massive planes. 399 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 5: That's lower than cruising altitude for a commercial flight. 400 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: Yeah lower, yeah, yeah. 401 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: Yah yeah yah yeah yeah, like twenty nine thousand feet 402 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: lower whatever, I mean something like that. 403 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 4: It's like low enough that someone in rural South Carolina 404 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: either called nine to one one or they called their 405 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 4: militia buddies and said it's happening. 406 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird, right, that's odd to me that because 407 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 2: and simply because the problems with like oxygen feed into 408 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: an aircraft when you get higher in elevation, when the 409 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: pressure cabin pressure is so great that if you know, 410 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: you lose some pressure, the pilot could actually exphyxiate or 411 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: lose oxygen and you'd have problems at a one thousand 412 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: feet Generally that's not gonna happen, although there are differences 413 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: in this type of aircraft, and like a passenger aircraft, 414 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: that's what I'm kind of comparing it too, because that's 415 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: what I've learned about. But like at a thousand feet, 416 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like it's oxygen or pressurization. It feels 417 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: like systems something systems internal with. 418 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 5: One hundred percent, and it it makes me think of 419 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 5: like some of these new cars, like I wrote around 420 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 5: in a rental car this weekend on a little family 421 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 5: trip with some friends, and there's a feature that a 422 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 5: lot of these new cars have where if you aren't 423 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 5: maintaining lane, or even if you just switch lanes kind 424 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 5: of quickly, it beeps at you. 425 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: And honestly, it scared the crap out of us to 426 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: the point where it was like more of a bug 427 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: than a feature. 428 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 5: So I'm wondering if this like auto eject thing that's 429 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 5: like an extreme version of this, you know, where it's 430 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 5: like whoops and you're in the air well. 431 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: That was a problem with with the It reminds me 432 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: a lot of that seven thirty seven Max problem where 433 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: the aircraft itself would nose down because there was a 434 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: sensor on it now that would be faulty, and it 435 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: would like try and it thought that it was raising 436 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: its nose too high, and it would try to compensate, 437 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: and by trying to compensate, it would send the aircraft 438 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: directly into the ground or water. Yah. 439 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 4: Also a boeying thing. And to your point, the seven 440 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 4: forty seven also got discontinued as of this year, so 441 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 4: they got some complicated math going on. 442 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, so the Lockheed Martin got some 443 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 5: splaining to do. Let's just say, given all of the 444 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 5: R and D that's gone into this program, the cost 445 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 5: overruns and again I want to say, there was another 446 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 5: issue very similar. 447 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 448 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 5: Last December and F thirty eight B that hadn't yet 449 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 5: been delivered to the Marine Corps crashed at Naval Air 450 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 5: Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth in Texas and it 451 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 5: involved use of the hover mode. Apparently it was in 452 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 5: hover mode over the airstrip and then started to drop. 453 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 3: I'm not laughing. This is unfortunate whoever was in there, 454 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 3: sure it was terrifying. 455 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 5: Hit the runway, had a good little bounce, and then 456 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 5: the pilot was ejected. It's like some cartoony sound and stuff. 457 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 3: It just sounds like there's some issues. 458 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 5: Here with this line, and given how much it costs, 459 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 5: it's certainly something to investigate. 460 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: They did again up till a few days ago. This 461 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: was quite the mystery. 462 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 5: There are people that posted pictures and images social media 463 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 5: of this plane just kind of circling around this beach 464 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 5: in North Carolina or South Carolina rather. 465 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: And it was seen. 466 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 5: I think it's a actually a lake, Lake Moultrie, I 467 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 5: believe was the last known location. And I believe just 468 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 5: yesterday or maybe even today. I think it was yesterday 469 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 5: the wreckage of the plane was discovered. So that's a 470 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 5: wrecked that's a wreckt ass plane right there. That's one 471 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 5: hundred million dollars you know, down the down the old 472 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 5: two Burrinos. 473 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: So still more. 474 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 5: Questions because again there's calling a mishap, a little whoopsie 475 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 5: but you know, I guess maybe, Ben, do you think 476 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 5: some of the lack of detail is because of things 477 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 5: like national security? 478 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: To your point about yeah. 479 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 5: It's like it's a it's a it's a missing and 480 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 5: visit plane. You know, that's sort of sort of doing 481 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 5: what it does and doing it quite well. But I 482 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 5: did think it was funny that they literally were like crowdsourcing. 483 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: This, like have you seen our plane? 484 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, and it's scary what if it had crashed 485 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 5: in a civilian, you know, population, Like I don't understand 486 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 5: fully how this autopilot technology works, like is it designed 487 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 5: to fly indefinitely into self land? Like what why do 488 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 5: we even need? Why why aren't they just like drones 489 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 5: if they have such an advanced you know, autopilot system. 490 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 4: Right, is this another? Is this another talking point in 491 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: the argument for unmanned war craft? 492 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: Right? 493 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 4: That's a big part of it, honestly, because to your point, no, 494 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 4: we have very limited information as the public. Obviously, the 495 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 4: question for anybody who's been on a commercial airplane is 496 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 4: what about the transponder? Where is that thing? 497 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: Right? Is it the socks? 498 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 499 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, some secret black backs that contacts you in 500 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 4: a secret way. If you're in charge of the plane. 501 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 4: The F thirty five's do have transponders, and I just 502 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 4: have to be. 503 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 3: Mega encrypted in some way, you know, really like you know. 504 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 4: Tight supposed to be able to track them. The current 505 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 4: scuttle butt that I heard was out of quote unquote 506 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 4: private industry defense analyst firms. They say that it's possible 507 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 4: this was an error of group projects. Picture one group 508 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: working on the newest, coolest, best, most safe for the 509 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 4: pilot ejection system and not really talking with the group 510 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 4: that works on the best, most encrypted transponder or any 511 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 4: other component of the craft entire. What if the ejection seat, 512 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 4: as JJ Gertler said over at teal group, what if 513 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 4: the ejection seat was so powerful that it quote cooked 514 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 4: the electronics and the wires and cut off the power 515 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 4: to the transponder. 516 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Well, but the other thing is why and 517 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: the heck did it happen in the first place, Because 518 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: if the pilot didn't accidentally or somehow automatically get ejected, 519 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: that pilot made the decision to eject. So if you 520 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 2: go down that route, why would the pilot do that 521 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: and why would the plane continue for that long? It 522 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: sounds to me like one of those situations where this 523 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: you get locked out of a system, right you got 524 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: your computer freezes or whatever. You have no control anymore. 525 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: But it's on its auto systems, this stuff, it's still 526 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: running in the background. Admit, yeah, Well what do you 527 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 2: do in that point? If you're that pilot, you you know, 528 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: make contact withever you can try and fix the problem. 529 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: If it can't help you and you're still in the plane, 530 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: what do you do? 531 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: Got that hold music in your little your space helmet. 532 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 4: I'm gonna put it one thing, and we got to 533 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 4: go to an atbreak. But Noel Matt. If I were 534 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 4: a defense contractor who wanted to get rid of human 535 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 4: pilots and institute a new, very profitable stream of UAV 536 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 4: just I would create cases like this wherein human error 537 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 4: seems like an easy problem to a But that is 538 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 4: not to say the pilot committed any error at all. 539 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 4: I'm just saying this is an interesting thing to think 540 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 4: about going forward. 541 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,239 Speaker 2: As an evil billionaire prank. Right there, Ben design the 542 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 2: ejector seats to just go off randomly automatically in the 543 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: brand new trillion dollar plane. 544 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 5: I just want to close out too, with a little 545 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 5: bit of a statement that the Marines did release on 546 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 5: Monday of this week, saying that General Eric M. Smith, 547 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 5: who's the acting commander of the Marines, directed all Marine 548 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 5: Corps aviation units to conduct a two day pause in operations. 549 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 5: Let's just take a little pause, Let's reset, Let's have 550 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 5: a little and do some Let's do some safety training, 551 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 5: you know, some trust falls. Let's let's do some team building. 552 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: The statement said. 553 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 5: The directive came after this is from apm's reading from 554 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 5: it after three uh and this is an official term 555 00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 5: ben class aaviation misapps whoopsies over the last six weeks. 556 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 5: Such mishaps involve property damage of two point five million 557 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 5: or more according to Marine Corps documents. And the last thing, 558 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 5: you got a couple of fun hot takes from the 559 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 5: Twitter sphere whatever. Instagram actor Misha Collins wrote under a 560 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 5: picture of the jet, that's what they get for leaving 561 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 5: the keys in the ignition and other news. Check out 562 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 5: my new listing on Craigslist. No low ball offers. Yuck, yuck, yuck. 563 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: Is that Misha from Supernatural? 564 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 3: I think it is. 565 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Check out Bridgewater and hear Misha Collins right now. 566 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 5: No, Wow, I didn't realize that's awesome. Well, I think 567 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 5: we're all fascinated by this one. And to your point, Ben. 568 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 6: Probably not gonna see too much more detail coming out, 569 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 6: but this is an interesting glimpse of the stuff that 570 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 6: Uncle Sam and Lockheed Martin don't want us to know 571 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 6: that they're screwing up. 572 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 5: Well, let's take a break here, a work more sponsor, 573 00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 5: and then come back with a more piece of strangeness. 574 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: All right, we're back. And if you've gotten this far 575 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: into the episode and you've got maybe kids with you 576 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 2: or something like that, go ahead and maybe just skip 577 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: to the next episode and keep going. We're gonna talk 578 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 2: about some homicide in this section of the show. 579 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 3: Unless your kids are into that kind of thing. 580 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, here we are. So very recently, in September, 581 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 2: there were two women who have been found separately two 582 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: days apart, dead in their apartments in Los Angeles. It 583 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 2: was well, i'll give you the details here, and these 584 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 2: details come from Fox eleven Los Angeles, an article you 585 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 2: can read right now titled second model found dead in 586 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: downtown LA apartment. I'm gonna read you just kind of 587 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: the subtitle here. Authorities are investigating after two models were 588 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 2: found dead in their downtown Los Angeles luxury apartments less 589 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: than a mile away from me, each other, just two 590 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: days apart. So immediately before you hear any details, you 591 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: like us, probably hear that and think, oh wow, I 592 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 2: wonder if that's one actor, one person, one serial killer. Right, 593 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 2: we got ourselves an unsubb Yeah. 594 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 4: Is that a criminal minds reference? 595 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think it's a thing, but like 596 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 5: that's they say it. 597 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 3: All the time, and they're usually referring to serial killers. 598 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 4: As you're saying, though, Matt, Like, Okay, so two deaths, 599 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 4: similar careers or career goals similar? Yeah, that's the question. 600 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 2: That is the question. And as we're gonna find out. 601 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil it too much, but we 602 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 2: do not have enough information from the authorities yet to know. 603 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 2: Let me give you the details and we can see 604 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: why this feels so connected. The first person that was 605 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 2: discovered dead is Nicole Nicky to her friend's coats, she 606 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: was thirty two years old. On September tenth of this year, 607 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 2: she was discovered de ceased in her apartment. That apartment 608 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 2: is in the seven hundred block of Grand Avenue in 609 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. This is basically this is downtown Los Angeles. 610 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 2: LAPD officers discovered her when a welfare check was initiated 611 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: by her family. They were concerned because she stopped responding 612 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: to communication for a time. Her cause of death, you 613 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: know that was at least initially announced, was unknown, but 614 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: recently the LAPD has issued a statement saying that her 615 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 2: death is being investigated as a quote death investigation. I 616 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: don't know what that means, but and perhaps not a 617 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 2: homicide specifically investigation just looking into her passing the second victim. 618 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: So that's one person, Nicole Coates, thirty two years old. 619 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 2: I neglected to say that she was a model by profession, 620 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: as well as some other pursuits that she had. But 621 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 2: that's a key thing here because the second person who 622 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: has found, Melissa Mooney. That's how I'm choosing to pronounce 623 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 2: a m al e Sa. She was thirty one years old, 624 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 2: also a model, also working as a real estate agent. 625 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 2: She was found two days after Nicole on September twelfth, 626 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: again discovered deceased in her downtown luxury apartment, this time 627 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 2: in the two hundred block of South Figueroa Street. Again, 628 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 2: LAPD officers show up to her apartment, responding to a 629 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: welfare check initiated by family because she stopped responding to communication. 630 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 2: Her cause of death also listed as unknown at the time, 631 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 2: but now LAPD is saying her death is being investigated 632 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 2: as a homicide. Curious or and curiouser right. 633 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 4: This also knowing for anyone unfamiliar with the area. The 634 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 4: reason it's important to say that these are luxury apartments 635 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 4: is because that includes a certain barrier of secure. So 636 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 4: to enter a place like this, you will need codes 637 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 4: or cards or keyfobs at least something like that. It's 638 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 4: not it's not a random Motel six kind of thing 639 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 4: that you can just stroll up to. 640 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but you know what, and let's make a 641 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 2: point about this. Something strange at least about several Atlanta 642 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 2: luxury apartment complexes I've been to over the years, they 643 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 2: have all those systems in place to prevent unwanted entry 644 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: right both into the complex and into individual sections of 645 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 2: that complex. But often I've found and tell me what 646 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 2: you guys have seen in your you know, your dealings 647 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 2: with luxury apartments are nicer apartment complexes. Often they don't 648 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 2: have a ton of security cameras around to actually monitor 649 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 2: the grounds at least that's what that's what I've seen. 650 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 4: The privacy of our tenants, right, it's a top priority. 651 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: And it seems that way, but then it almost it 652 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 2: makes it. It's cree to me. It feels like it 653 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 2: could potentially be a hunting ground for someone, because if 654 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 2: you do go in there, it's like you're a ghost, 655 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 2: which is really it's really creepy to me. And I 656 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: don't know what the situations are like in those two 657 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,479 Speaker 2: apartment complexes where both of these women were found dead. 658 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 2: But I because again it's never stated, at least in 659 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 2: any of the reporting I've found, exactly which apartment complexes 660 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 2: these are. I'm assuming it's because I don't know. They 661 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 2: don't want news crews there. They don't want the bad 662 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 2: press for the companies that run the apartments. I don't know. 663 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 5: Well, one thing I've noticed at some of them maybe 664 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 5: that I don't know what qualifies as luxury exactly. But 665 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 5: oftentimes these intrigue measures are under maintenance. 666 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 3: They're not working very well at all. 667 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 5: You know, a close friend just recently moved out of 668 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 5: what I thought was a pretty nice apartment complex. But 669 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 5: like security gates would always just be open, like to 670 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 5: the garage to the parking garage, and sometimes doors would 671 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 5: be propped open and things like that. So to your point, 672 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 5: there's not a lot of monitoring of the systems. 673 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: I think, you know, I don't want to do too 674 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 2: much personal stuff. But I went to pick up my 675 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 2: son the other day and his mom lives in a 676 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 2: town home complex thing that has a lot of security, right, 677 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 2: and it's very expensive HOA, like crazy expense. I've never 678 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 2: seen one that expensive ever in my life. 679 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 4: Let's do an HOA episode. 680 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 2: Seriously, so weird, let's bring. 681 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,959 Speaker 3: Some fire to it. As you were saying that. 682 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 2: Their front gate was just standing open, and I was like, huh, 683 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 2: that's weird, okay, because usually you have to I have 684 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 2: to call her number to get in, but no, no, no, 685 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 2: I just drove right in there like I would was anybody, 686 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 2: and uh any similar situation. 687 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 4: Anyone can share a code, especially if it's the equivalent 688 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 4: of you know, like four to six eight digits. Maybe 689 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 4: for the nerds you can you can share it and 690 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 4: then all of a sudden it's out in the world. 691 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 4: There's also there's one thing we got to point out here, Matt, 692 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 4: and I think we can all agree on this. Los 693 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 4: Angeles as a metropolitan area, has a much higher frequency 694 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 4: of people pursuing careers in things like modeling, so such 695 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:24,439 Speaker 4: that we need to be careful and exercise objectivity when 696 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 4: we're reading headlines that say, oh, two models were murdered. 697 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 4: There are many more models in Los Angeles or people 698 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 4: pursuing that career than there are in say, Poughkeepsie. And additionally, 699 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 4: a lot of people die in Los Angeles. Los Angeles 700 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 4: has a huge problem with homicide that does not often 701 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 4: get acknowledged. However, to your original point here, man, and 702 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 4: I think the reason we're talking about this, how many 703 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 4: coincidences can there be? You know, these are people who 704 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 4: live very close to each other. L A p d. 705 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 4: UH probably most famous for beating the shout of an 706 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 4: innocent man a while back. 707 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 3: L A p. D. 708 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 4: Is being a little close to the chest with information 709 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 4: that could help UH, that could help save innocent people. 710 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe I'm maybe I'm being unfair to 711 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 4: L A p H. 712 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't mean. 713 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 5: We've we've talked about the whole gang mentality and and 714 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 5: police departments, and I believe Los Angeles has been notorious 715 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 5: for that kind of you know, organizing amongst certain members. 716 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 5: I've been I've been rewatching the show The Shield with 717 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 5: Michael Chickliss. It's about l A. Hell yeah, it's really good. 718 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 5: It holds up. I like it a lot, but it 719 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 5: had you know, it covers stuff like this. But yeah, 720 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 5: so this is downtown l A I'm looking at. You know, 721 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,919 Speaker 5: it's funny. Downtown LA feels a lot more like New York. 722 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 5: It really feels like a like that kind of city, 723 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 5: whereas the rest of LA it's sprawl. You know, it's 724 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 5: like it's such a massive metro area. You've got so 725 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 5: many different communities spread over this huge, you know, geographical area. 726 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 5: But downtown LA is very specific and it really it's 727 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 5: very gritty, very Gotham kind of like compared to it 728 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 5: doesn't look like any other parts of the city. And 729 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 5: it's also where you'll find skid Row, an area known 730 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 5: for just like you know, unhoused kind of compounds and 731 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 5: sort of and just a lot of crime, a lot 732 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 5: of nasty stuff in downtown LA. 733 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let me just show you guys what I found. 734 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 2: I did a minor investigation here because again you only 735 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 2: get like the block number and the street in all 736 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 2: the reporting. I don't want to throw any apartment complexes 737 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 2: under their bus. I don't know if these are the 738 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 2: right ones. I found too that fit those descriptions, just 739 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 2: so I could estimate how far of a drive, like, 740 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 2: how long does a drive take? How long does Okay, 741 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 2: So if you if you go to Google Maps, find 742 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 2: sky at Bunker Hill Apartments that's in the two hundred 743 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 2: block of South Figueroa and eighth and Grand Apartments, which 744 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 2: fits the seven hundred block of Grand Avenue, you'll see 745 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 2: that it is roughly these two are roughly one to 746 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 2: one point one miles away from each other, which again 747 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 2: fits the descriptions that we've seen there. And it's roughly 748 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 2: a twenty one minute walk if you were just hoofing 749 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 2: it on the streets to get there on the shortest 750 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 2: route possible, and it would only take five minutes to 751 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 2: drive there if you didn't get stuck in some crazy 752 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 2: LA traffic. Sure, so again, sorry. The whole reason is 753 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 2: that if it was a single operator being that close 754 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 2: in distance with two, they're not super similar when you 755 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,360 Speaker 2: look at the apartment complexes. If these two are in 756 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 2: fact the apartment complexes, because they very well may not be. 757 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 2: It just it feels like an m O thing, right, 758 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 2: if you're matching up an m type of victim. Also, 759 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 2: I didn't even mention these are two black women in 760 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 2: their early thirties. 761 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,320 Speaker 4: Right, The demographics are very similar, that's. 762 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 2: Right, So I don't know. 763 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 4: Well. Also, there's another question here, a couple just housekeeping things, 764 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 4: and hopefully law enforcement is I'm sure law enforcement has 765 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 4: already figured this out, even if they don't announce it publicly. 766 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 3: Matt. 767 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 4: I agree with your estimation regarding the two most likely complexes. 768 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 4: Curious to see whether they have one the same or 769 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 4: similar owners, and too whether they use the same or 770 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 4: similar third party maintenance companies. 771 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 2: You know, like house good thing. 772 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 5: That's really smart, Ben, you know someone that would have 773 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 5: had access And yeah, obviously no motive, but the it's 774 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 5: eerie the similarities between the two women. 775 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 2: Oh that's messed up. Man. You just put a scenario 776 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 2: in my head that I can see really clearly. Right 777 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 2: around this time is when HVAC companies go out to 778 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 2: do the checks on all the units in individual single 779 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 2: family homes as well as multifamily homes. And I see 780 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 2: your logic. There have been and I don't like how 781 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 2: clear it is. 782 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 3: No, I think you can hear onto something there. 783 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 4: Well, we're not. Again, we are not the official investigators, 784 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,320 Speaker 4: and we're being very careful, I think, to not allege 785 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 4: things that we cannot prove. 786 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 787 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 4: We also have to point out that, you know, sometimes 788 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 4: people want a spectacle, right, want to believe that there 789 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 4: is an active serial murderer, when in fact those entities 790 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 4: are quite rare. The truth of the matter is, to 791 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 4: your points, the truth of the matter is that two 792 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 4: innocent people died, Yes, died in close proximity, both in 793 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 4: terms of their careers and in terms of their geographic location. 794 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 4: And it's heartbreaking, you know what I mean, Like imagine 795 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 4: being what is it Sharon Coates, Nikki's mom, Yeah, and 796 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 4: saying why won't the police investigate this as a homicide? 797 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 4: To the point you made earlier, why is one a 798 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 4: quote unquote death investigation and the other is a homicide investigation? 799 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 4: This is troubling. 800 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 2: Let me give you a quote here from ABC Channel seven, 801 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 2: who spoke with I think I would say Shanaya Mason, 802 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 2: who is Nichole's cousin, This is her quote. It just 803 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 2: didn't look right to us, didn't look right how she 804 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 2: was positioned on the bed. She was even unrecognizable as 805 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 2: if she'd been beat they had to identify her by 806 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 2: her tattoos. So that is Nichole's cousin speaking on the 807 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 2: state of Nicole when she was discovered in her apartment. 808 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 2: To me, like a homicide investigation, right, I don't know, 809 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 2: maybe not. That sounds like one to me. If someone 810 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 2: appears to be physically beaten and they're found dead, that 811 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 2: is Nicole is the person who LAPD currently says it 812 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 2: is a quote death investigation rather than a homicide investigation. 813 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 2: I don't have much information about Melissa and how she 814 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,920 Speaker 2: was found or anything like that, or statements from the family, 815 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 2: but I do have a statement from the LAPD which 816 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 2: was given to San Francisco Gate on September nineteenth. Really quickly, 817 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 2: here we go. Since their discovery, LAPD Central Bureau Homicide 818 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 2: has been investigating the deaths of both Miss Coats and 819 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 2: Miss Mooney. Since both cases remain active investigations, details about 820 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 2: either case will not be released. However, based on the 821 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 2: investigation thus far, there is no evidence. Again he's saying, 822 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 2: no evidence to suggest that the deaths of Miss Coats 823 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 2: and Miss Mooney are related to one another. That's what 824 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 2: it stated, but there's still no cause of death for 825 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,879 Speaker 2: either case as of the latest reporting, which came out 826 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 2: yesterday evening, when at least yesterday Tuesday, September nineteenth. 827 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, like you said, we were talking about this a 828 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 4: little bit off air. Our concern is for the family, 829 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 4: for the survivors, for anyone who may know any relevant information. 830 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 4: And it's just heartbreaking that this kind of thing can occur. 831 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 4: And look, lest we sound like we are unfairly denigrating 832 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 4: law enforcement folks, you got to realize there are people 833 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 4: who are working on this stuff around the clock and 834 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 4: they're racing for the answers. If you're thinking about the 835 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 4: medical examiners, guess what they're in Los Angeles. They are 836 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 4: overloaded all the time. 837 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 2: This is what I would say, last last thing here. 838 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 2: If you do have information, just happen to know one 839 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 2: of these individuals, happen to know a tiny piece of 840 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 2: information that may be helpful with the investigation. If you 841 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 2: choose to, you can contact LAPD their Homicide Division, Central 842 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 2: Bureau Homicide. Right now. I'm going to give you a number. 843 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 2: They've posted it all over online. You can find it. 844 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 2: It is two one three nine nine six four to 845 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 2: one five zero. This is what they write. You can 846 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 2: speak with Detective Pierce or Marcinek. Those are two detectives 847 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 2: who are covering these cases. There is also a way 848 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 2: to leave an anonymous tip if you don't want to 849 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 2: be identified. If you've got information about something bad that 850 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 2: you maybe you know minorly attach you, you're just nervous 851 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 2: about it, you can call LA Crime Stoppers anonymously. It 852 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 2: is one eight hundred two two two tips tips and. 853 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 4: Matt, can we have that first number one more time? 854 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 3: Sure? 855 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 2: First number for LAPD Homicide Division two to one three, 856 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 2: four to one, five zero. 857 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 4: It is good to be a part of the solution 858 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 4: if you can, folks. And we promised you one Pallette cleanser, 859 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 4: which pales in comparison here. But we we wanted to 860 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 4: amidst all this strange news. People are losing multimillion dollar airplanes, 861 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:29,879 Speaker 4: there are unsolved murders happening now, and there is a 862 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 4: war that the West would rather you not care about. 863 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 4: So we wanted to leave you a one funny story. 864 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 4: It's also a crime. Let's go to Alaska. Two bears 865 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,600 Speaker 4: shook down at Krispy Kreme donut Van on a military base. 866 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 3: Did you also hear about the bear that was invading 867 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,240 Speaker 3: Disney World? 868 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 869 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,479 Speaker 4: I had not been this guy. 870 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 5: The internet today guys made the joke or positive the 871 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 5: delightful conspiracy that Ron Desantas set the bear loose because 872 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,239 Speaker 5: of his ongoing strife with Disney, that he is not 873 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 5: faring very well in it, and it's kind of derailed 874 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 5: his political aspirations. But man, the Bears, the Bears, us 875 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 5: double the Bears. 876 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 877 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,400 Speaker 4: So I found this on a great Twitter account ap Oddities, 878 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 4: and just read the headline. This is what I think 879 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 4: grabbed all of us and the recent to senate you 880 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,640 Speaker 4: guys quote donut stop me now. Two bears rated a 881 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 4: Krispy Kream doughnut man that was stopped outside a store 882 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 4: on an Alaskan military base. I could hear them breaking 883 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 4: open the packages and everything. This store manager said. I 884 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 4: was like, they don't even care. And for some reason, 885 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 4: the store manager saying they don't even care, I don't 886 00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 4: know why. It's so epic to me. 887 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 5: I wonder if they they had like a favorite flavor, 888 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,319 Speaker 5: you know, like, are they do? You think they're more into 889 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,000 Speaker 5: I like a French crueler myself, But do you think 890 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 5: bears like filling in their donuts or are they just indiscriminates, 891 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 5: just pawing at whatever's out there? 892 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,920 Speaker 2: First of all, can you imagine the delicious smell? But 893 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,799 Speaker 2: that delivery truck had M and E like just the 894 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 2: if you can just imagine it flowing out from you know, 895 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 2: if you could see, like cartoons. 896 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 3: Smell lines right now, like a pi on a windowsill. 897 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 2: Be Yes, it doesn't matter what kind of donuts are 898 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 2: in there. You can just tell there sugar involved. There's 899 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 2: there's some kind of wheat or whatever it is that's 900 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 2: been baking. 901 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 4: Also, let's speak clear. We're doing our best, and I 902 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 4: think we're doing okay as a group. We're doing our 903 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,799 Speaker 4: best to support human beings. But I think it's fair 904 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,320 Speaker 4: to say that if if we and Doc I'm pulling 905 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,360 Speaker 4: you in on this, I think if the four of 906 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,839 Speaker 4: us saw a bear doing a heist, if it wasn't 907 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,280 Speaker 4: our stuff, we wouldn't stop the bear like thumbs up, Yeah, 908 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,399 Speaker 4: fight the power dog or bear. 909 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why, but I'm getting images of 910 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 2: Shaquille O'Neil in my. 911 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 4: Head because he owns Krispy Kreme O'Dell runs so many 912 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 4: Atlanta outfits. 913 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I was trying to figure out. It was 914 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 2: almost like I was having synesthesia when thinking about the 915 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,839 Speaker 2: smell of Krispy Kreme, and I was like, well, Shack, 916 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 2: what are you doing in here? 917 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 3: I experienced smells in the form of that's perfect. That's perfect. 918 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great marketing thing. Krispy Kreme. You can 919 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,359 Speaker 4: have that. Put the sign up on Ponce de Leon 920 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,000 Speaker 4: Avenue that says smells like Shack. Credit to mister Matt 921 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,720 Speaker 4: Frederick if if you could, We're gonna call it an evening. 922 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,399 Speaker 4: As we say it's time to noctificate. 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