WEBVTT - Rickets

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm Holly Fry. Once again, I'm returning to the

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<v Speaker 2>realm of nutritional deficiency diseases. I just find them very interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>especially because people have really figured out how to treat them,

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<v Speaker 2>way before they figured out exactly what was causing them,

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<v Speaker 2>which has not always been the case with other diseases.

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<v Speaker 2>Like scurvy is caused by vitamin SED efficiency, and people

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<v Speaker 2>had figured out that some foods, including citrus fruit, could

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<v Speaker 2>prevent scurvy by the seventeenth century. So today we know

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<v Speaker 2>that these foods are good sources of vitamin C. But

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<v Speaker 2>people made the connection between the food and the scurvy

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<v Speaker 2>well over a century before Casimir Funk even coined the

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<v Speaker 2>word vitamin, and that also happened before any individual vitamin

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<v Speaker 2>had been identified and named. We have an episode on scarvey,

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<v Speaker 2>and then last year we also did an episode on pelagra,

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<v Speaker 2>which is caused by niasin deficiency. People were similarly treating

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<v Speaker 2>pelagra with brewers yeast decades before we knew what niasin

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<v Speaker 2>was or that Brewer's yeast has a lot of it

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<v Speaker 2>in there. The discovery and identification of specific vitamins grew

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<v Speaker 2>in part from people trying to figure out what exactly

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<v Speaker 2>people were missing with that missing substance making them sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Nutritional rickets is caused by a vitamin D deficiency, and

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<v Speaker 2>people figured out two ways to treat it before we

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<v Speaker 2>even knew what vitamin D was. So it's a fun

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<v Speaker 2>word to say, but we don't really know where the

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<v Speaker 2>word rickets even comes from. English physician Daniel Whistler wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a thesis on rickets in sixteen forty five aimed that

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<v Speaker 2>it had been named for someone who had supposedly tried

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<v Speaker 2>to cure it, or from the term to rocket, which

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<v Speaker 2>he said was used in parts of England to mean

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<v Speaker 2>to breathe with difficulty. While there were people whose surname

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<v Speaker 2>was Rickett, there's really no evidence of any of them

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<v Speaker 2>trying to cure this disease, and it's also not clear

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<v Speaker 2>whether there is any merit to that rocket idea. Another

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<v Speaker 2>possibility is that it comes from German or Swedish words

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<v Speaker 2>meaning twisting or swaying. Yeah, I went down a big

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole trying to figure out if in sixteen forty five,

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<v Speaker 2>people in parts of England were using the word to rucket.

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<v Speaker 2>This way did not find a good answer. In the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeenth century, ricketts was also called rachitis, and that came

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<v Speaker 2>from Latin and Greek words to describe disorders or inflammations

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<v Speaker 2>of the spinal column. The symptoms of rickets can include

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<v Speaker 2>spinal pain and unusual spinal curvatures. So it's possible that

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<v Speaker 2>writing in the Latin use the word rachitis because of

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<v Speaker 2>these symptoms, and then lay people shifted that pronunciation to rickets,

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<v Speaker 2>But again that is all very speculative. Rickets affects growing animals,

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<v Speaker 2>not only human beings. In the body, vitamin D is

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<v Speaker 2>converted into a hormone that affects the way calcium is

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<v Speaker 2>absorbed in the digestive system, and it has other effects

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<v Speaker 2>on calcium in the body. To put it really really, basically,

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<v Speaker 2>without enough vitamin D, the body cannot absorb the calcium

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<v Speaker 2>needed for bones to mineralize properly. Rickets usually affects animals

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<v Speaker 2>during infancy, childhood, and adolescence when their bones are growing

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<v Speaker 2>and mineralizing, especially during growth spurts. A similar vitamin D

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<v Speaker 2>deficiency in adults is called Osteomalaysia. Animals get vitamin D

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<v Speaker 2>from two primary sources, their food and exposure to the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>Foods that are naturally high and vitamin D include egg

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<v Speaker 2>yolks and various types of fish like salmon, tuna, and sardines.

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<v Speaker 2>Wild mushrooms can also be high in vitamin D, but

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<v Speaker 2>commercially grown mushrooms that are raised in the dark typically aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>They aren't getting that sun exposure themselves to have vitamin D.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, some foods are also fortified with added vitamin D,

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<v Speaker 1>although which foods, whether fortification is voluntary or mandatory for manufacturers,

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<v Speaker 1>and weather foods are fortified at all, depends on where

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<v Speaker 1>you live. In the United States, foods that are most

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be fortified with vitamin D include dairy and

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<v Speaker 1>non dairy milks, orange juice, and breakfast cereals, all of

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<v Speaker 1>which are associated, of course, with children's diets. In terms

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<v Speaker 1>of sun exposure, again very very basically, UVB radiation converts

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<v Speaker 1>cholesterol in the skin to kulic house for all, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the more formal name for vitamin D three.

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<v Speaker 2>This requires direct exposure to the sun because UVB is

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<v Speaker 2>blocked by things like glass and clothing. Can also be

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<v Speaker 2>blocked or at least reduced by things like fog and

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<v Speaker 2>air pollution. UVB radiation is also affected by the Earth's

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<v Speaker 2>atmosphere and the angle at which sunlight reaches the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Earth. Areas of very high latitudes get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot less UVB light than the tropics do, and since

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<v Speaker 1>melanin protects the body from UV light, the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin D that a person's own body can synthesize is

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<v Speaker 1>affected by how much melanin they have in their skin.

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<v Speaker 1>People with more melanin, meaning people who are darker skinned,

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<v Speaker 1>need more sun exposure to be able to synthesize enough

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin D than people with lighter skin.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't really know whether ricketts was a widespread problem

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<v Speaker 2>during early human history, but it might not have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Early hunters and gatherers, and then later on early farmers

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<v Speaker 2>would have been spending a lot of time outside in

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<v Speaker 2>the sun. In the tropics, where in the long ago

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<v Speaker 2>past more people had more melanin in their skin. The

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<v Speaker 2>sun was also a lot more direct, so they would

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<v Speaker 2>have been getting more UVB exposure. Of course, those things

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<v Speaker 2>are interconnected, the UV light and the melanin. Conversely, in

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<v Speaker 2>the far north, for example, people had less exposure to

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<v Speaker 2>sunlight since even during the long days of the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>the sun's rays just aren't as direct, and people also

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<v Speaker 2>tended to wear more clothing because it was colder. But

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<v Speaker 2>these indigenous peoples have also historically had a diet that

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<v Speaker 2>is rich in vitamin D. People still living in the

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<v Speaker 2>same places that their ancestors did, following the same traditions

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<v Speaker 2>and lifeways, are probably getting a lot of their vitamin

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<v Speaker 2>D these same ways today. At the same time, it

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<v Speaker 2>is possible and maybe even likely, that people around the

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<v Speaker 2>world did historically go through periods when they weren't getting

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<v Speaker 2>enough vitamin D actually in the winter or during times

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<v Speaker 2>of famine, but this might not have been an ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>problem since most people would have been spending more time

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<v Speaker 2>outside again in the spring. One big exception here, at

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<v Speaker 2>least in theory, is babies. Because breast milk alone does

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<v Speaker 2>not provide infants with enough vitamin D. It would take

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of vitamin D supplementation for a person to

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<v Speaker 2>produce breast milk that was really rich in vitamin D

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<v Speaker 2>like way beyond what someone would get through ordinary food

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<v Speaker 2>and sunlight. So throughout history, babies who were breastfed and

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<v Speaker 2>then also swaddled or covered up or kept out of

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<v Speaker 2>the sun could be susceptible to rickets. Today, various health

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<v Speaker 2>organizations around the world recommend that breastfed babies be given

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<v Speaker 2>a vitamin D supplement, especially if they are exclusively breastfed.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have some evidence of rickets in the archaeological record.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty thirteen, archaeologists in Scotland announced the discovery of

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<v Speaker 1>a five thousand year old skeleton that showed evidence of rickets.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the oldest example discovered so far. Prior to

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<v Speaker 1>this discovery, the oldest skeletons known to have signs of

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<v Speaker 1>rickets were from the Roman Era, and there's some evidence

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<v Speaker 1>to suggest that it may have been more widespread in

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<v Speaker 1>the Roman Empire. For example, in twenty eighteen, researchers from

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<v Speaker 1>Historic England and McMaster University in Canada surveyed Roman Era

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<v Speaker 1>skeletons from cemeteries from what's now northern England down to

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<v Speaker 1>southern Spain, and they found evidence of rickets in more

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<v Speaker 1>than one in twenty. Children with babies most often affected.

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<v Speaker 2>What may be the earliest written description of rickets also

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<v Speaker 2>comes from the Roman Era. Serranus of Ephesus wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>treatise on gynecology around the first or second century CE.

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<v Speaker 2>It includes a section about the care of newborns. The section,

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<v Speaker 2>he advises loosening a baby's swaddling clothes only after their

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<v Speaker 2>body has become reasonably firm, so that it does not

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<v Speaker 2>become distorted. Serranus also recommends not letting babies try to

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<v Speaker 2>sit up too early or for too long, because that

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<v Speaker 2>could cause them to become hunchbacked, and he says if

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<v Speaker 2>a baby is allowed to try to walk too early,

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<v Speaker 2>their legs can become distorted. Bow legs and spinal curvatures

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<v Speaker 2>are two of the most recognizable symptoms of rickets, so

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<v Speaker 2>this is often interpreted as a description of the condition.

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<v Speaker 2>There is some debate about whether that's really what he's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, but Siranis is generally more accepted as the

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<v Speaker 2>first description of rickets than some earlier but even more

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<v Speaker 2>vague possibilities. Yes, sometimes it's a brief sentence that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of seems like maybe someone's leg was growing in a

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<v Speaker 2>strange way.

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<v Speaker 1>Could that have been rickets? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, rickets is definitely not caused by unswaddling a

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<v Speaker 2>baby too early. It is not caused by letting babies

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<v Speaker 2>try to stand up too soon after they're born. And

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<v Speaker 2>we really don't have any way to know if what

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<v Speaker 2>Serranus is describing in this passage is something that he

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<v Speaker 2>also would have recognized in the children from that twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen study we mentioned, or if the children in that

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<v Speaker 2>study were seen as having some kind of illness or

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<v Speaker 2>condition relating to their bones while they were alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricketts was not recognized as a disease with a name

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<v Speaker 1>until the early modern period, and we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that after we pause for a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 2>Rickets seems to have been a more widespread problem in

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<v Speaker 2>parts of Europe in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least that is when it seems to start showing

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<v Speaker 2>up more in artwork and in written records. In fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh nine, German painter Hans Borkmeyer the Elder painted a

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<v Speaker 2>version of the Virgin and Child in which the infant

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus appears to have bowed legs and other possible signs

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<v Speaker 2>of rickets. In fifteen thirty two, German physician Hieronymous Roisner

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<v Speaker 2>described a disease that occurred only in children whose symptoms

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<v Speaker 2>included weakness, bowed legs, and chest malformations. Roisner said this

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<v Speaker 2>disease was common in Holland and Switzerland.

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<v Speaker 1>In fifteen fifty four, Theodosius of Bologna described a child

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<v Speaker 1>who was very pale and had an unusual spinal curvature

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<v Speaker 1>which could have been rickets. Other accounts in the late

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth century described children whose bones were bent and who

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to have some kind of wasting disease. In sixteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a visitor to a monastery in the Netherlands, which was

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<v Speaker 1>at the time part of the Dutch Republic, described children

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<v Speaker 1>being treated with water from a well dedicated to Saint Willibrard.

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<v Speaker 1>These children were described as having Saint Willibard's infirmity or

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<v Speaker 1>the ailment of Saint Willibrard. One of the symptoms was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Series of knobs on the children's ribs, described as being

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<v Speaker 2>like pinheads or rosary beads, or something of a similar size.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of these children were also described as having the

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<v Speaker 2>ailment of Saint Macketus, in which their legs appeared as

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<v Speaker 2>though they were sitting cross legged. It was possible for

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<v Speaker 2>a child to have both of these ailments at once.

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<v Speaker 2>As we said earlier, bowed legs are one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most recognizable signs of rickets. Another is called richitic rosary.

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<v Speaker 2>These are knobs that develop where each rib connects to

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<v Speaker 2>the costal cartilage on the front of a person's rib cage,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're named for their resemblance to a string of

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<v Speaker 2>rosary beads. So it seems likely that at least some

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<v Speaker 2>of these children that Tracy was just shoying about had rickets.

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<v Speaker 2>There were also other Willibrard wells and springs around the Netherlands,

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<v Speaker 2>and their water was similarly used to try to treat

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<v Speaker 2>children who had these conditions. The first known use of

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<v Speaker 2>the word rickets and writing was a couple of decades

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<v Speaker 2>after this visitor report. Unlike most of the first uses

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<v Speaker 2>and writing we've talked about before, this was not in

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<v Speaker 2>published material. It was a handwritten receipt book belonging to

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<v Speaker 2>the Fairfax family of Yorkshire, England. People used to call

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<v Speaker 2>recipes receipts, and the word receipt could also apply specifically

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<v Speaker 2>to the ingredients and methods used to make medicinal preparations.

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<v Speaker 2>This particular receipt book had belonged to Mary Chumley, who

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<v Speaker 2>married the Reverend Henry Fairfax in sixteen twenty six. The

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<v Speaker 2>book remained in the family, with people recording recipes for

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<v Speaker 2>things like foods, medicines, and household preparations into the late

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<v Speaker 2>eighteenth century. Some of the entries were attributed to well

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<v Speaker 2>known physicians of the day, and others came from relatives

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<v Speaker 2>or friends. An entry for February twenty fifth, sixteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two includes five remedies for rickets in children, attributed to

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<v Speaker 2>the reverend's cousin, Lady Fairfax of Steaton. There are also

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<v Speaker 2>various recipes labeled for the rickets, and one marked for

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<v Speaker 2>a child that is weak or lame in her joints.

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<v Speaker 2>None of these remedies would have been effective in treating rickets.

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<v Speaker 2>They included things like ointments made of herbs minced into butter,

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<v Speaker 2>and drinks being made of things like herbs or dried

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<v Speaker 2>fruit boiled in water or ale. But this suggests that

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<v Speaker 2>by the first quarter of the seventeenth century, people in

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<v Speaker 2>England knew about a disease that they were calling rickets,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they were trying to figure out ways to

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<v Speaker 2>treat it. The first use of the word rickets in

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<v Speaker 2>published material was in the Annual Bill of Mortality of

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<v Speaker 2>the City of London in sixteen thirty four. This was

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<v Speaker 2>only the fifth year that the Annual Bill of Mortality

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<v Speaker 2>included causes of death. This information was gathered by people

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<v Speaker 2>called searchers, who were described as elderly matrons. Made a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sense for older women to be doing this job,

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<v Speaker 2>since they were typically involved in laying out the dead

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<v Speaker 2>and preparing people's bodies for burial. Good fit for them

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<v Speaker 2>to also be the people determining cause of death. Since

0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.920
<v Speaker 2>older women often cared for sick people. People also thought

0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.400
<v Speaker 2>they might have some protection from whatever illness a person

0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.720
<v Speaker 2>might have died of, and that experience could also theoretically

0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.040
<v Speaker 2>help them identify and describe a person's cause of death.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, these women typically didn't have access

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<v Speaker 2>to a formal education. Most of them could not read

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<v Speaker 2>or write, so they gave their reports to the clerk orly,

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<v Speaker 2>and that means we don't have any details or notes

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<v Speaker 2>about how they determined the causes of death.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the time, these searchers were seen as knowledgeable

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<v Speaker 1>and respected members of their community who were doing important work,

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<v Speaker 1>but today their reports are not really seen as an

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<v Speaker 1>accurate accounting of what people were dying of.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that said, in sixteen thirty four, the annual

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<v Speaker 2>Bill of Mortality of the City of London reported that

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen people died of ricketts out of almost eleven thousand

0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:29.360
<v Speaker 2>total deaths in the city. And while no English medical

0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.680
<v Speaker 2>treatises have been unearthed that mention rickets before this point,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like it must have been something the medical

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<v Speaker 2>community would have been aware of, otherwise how would it

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<v Speaker 2>be reported as a cause of death in this official document.

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<v Speaker 2>The first known clinical description of ricketts was written by

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Whistler in his MD thesis at the University of

0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Leyten in the Netherlands, that is where a lot of

0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.120
<v Speaker 2>people from Britain and Ireland went to study medicine. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was written in Latin and its title translation to

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<v Speaker 2>concerning the Disease of English Children, which in English it

0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:09.320
<v Speaker 2>is called rickets. Whistler defended this thesis on October eighteenth,

0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.359
<v Speaker 2>sixteen forty five, and he would eventually go on to

0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.920
<v Speaker 2>be the President of the College of Physicians. In this work,

0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Whistler described rickets as common in England. He listed a

0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:25.959
<v Speaker 2>series of symptoms, including enlargements at the ends of the bones, weakness,

0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:32.560
<v Speaker 2>deformities of the limbs, unusually flexible joints, delayed emergence of

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<v Speaker 2>the teeth, decay in the teeth once they had emerged,

0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:41.200
<v Speaker 2>and chest malformations. All of these very physically recognizable signs

0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.600
<v Speaker 2>of rickets. He also listed some other symptoms that were

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<v Speaker 2>not related to the skeletal system, like cough, fever, irregular pulse,

0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.240
<v Speaker 2>and digestive distress. Some of these can occur in severe

0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.840
<v Speaker 2>cases of rickets. He speculated that rickets was caused when

0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.080
<v Speaker 2>blood clots form in the viscer, and he said that

0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:05.240
<v Speaker 2>the disease was often fatal, especially in children who were

0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.800
<v Speaker 2>affected with it from birth. Whistler also described rickets as

0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:14.000
<v Speaker 2>something that was most frequent in England's wealthiest people, with

0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the next most affected group being the poor. He thought

0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:18.280
<v Speaker 2>that as.

0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.080
<v Speaker 1>A group, people in the middle were the least affected

0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.240
<v Speaker 1>by ricketts. He attributed the rate of ricketts among the

0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.320
<v Speaker 1>wealthy to the use of wet nurses, and when it

0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.359
<v Speaker 1>came to poor people, he blamed quote the intemperance of parents.

0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Other works on ricketts soon followed. One was a book

0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.440
<v Speaker 1>chapter by Arnold boot which was printed as part of

0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a book on medicine that came out in sixteen forty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Boot was born in Holland and practiced medicine in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 1>Then in sixteen fifty English physician Francis Glisson printed the

0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:57.360
<v Speaker 1>longest and best known seventeenth century treatise on rickets. Its

0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.879
<v Speaker 1>title translated to a Treatise of the rickets being a

0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:05.760
<v Speaker 1>disease common to children. Glisson's work was so influential that

0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.720
<v Speaker 1>some people started calling rickets glistens disease, and in some

0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.640
<v Speaker 1>other parts of Europe it was known as English disease.

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<v Speaker 1>All these works were written in Latin, which was the

0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.959
<v Speaker 1>shared language of the European medical community, but most of

0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.639
<v Speaker 1>them used the English word rickets for the name of

0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.639
<v Speaker 1>the disease. Most of the people writing about rickets in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid seventeenth century thought it was a new disease

0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.200
<v Speaker 1>that had only been seen for the previous couple of decades.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible that this was just.

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<v Speaker 2>Connected to growing awareness and more doctors starting to look

0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.399
<v Speaker 2>for this disease, but it's also possible that rickets was

0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.439
<v Speaker 2>becoming a bigger issue. This was during the period of

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.480
<v Speaker 2>regional cooling known as the Little Ice Age, when parts

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.760
<v Speaker 2>of the world, including parts of Europe, were generally cooler

0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and wetter and cloudier. This could have affected how much

0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:03.520
<v Speaker 2>sunlike people. It also led to poor harvests and food

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.199
<v Speaker 2>shortages that could have led to other nutrient deficiencies that

0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:11.200
<v Speaker 2>people might have mistaken for rickets, and it's also possible

0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.720
<v Speaker 2>that in major cities air pollution was becoming a factor.

0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.000
<v Speaker 2>London in particular, was described as being blanketed in a

0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.520
<v Speaker 2>cloud of smog that could be seen from miles away.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be talking about that more in a future episode.

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<v Speaker 2>It is likely that people were experiencing rickets in other

0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.000
<v Speaker 2>parts of the world as well, but most of the

0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.480
<v Speaker 2>writing about it is from northern and western Europe, and

0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.440
<v Speaker 2>at this point there was no effective treatment being used

0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>in Europe. The idea of four humors was still a

0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 2>very big part of medicine, so most of the proposed

0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.800
<v Speaker 2>treatments were influenced by that. In general, they did not

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<v Speaker 2>include any vitamin D.

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<v Speaker 1>No. We will get to.

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<v Speaker 2>The first effective treatments for rickets after a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 2>The first effective treatment for rickets was cod liver oil,

0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.440
<v Speaker 2>which we know today is high in vitamin D. As

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>that name suggests, this is an oil made from the

0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:23.320
<v Speaker 2>liver of Atlantic cod. An Atlantic cod live in coastal

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>waters in the Northern Atlantic Ocean. By the seventeen hundreds,

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.720
<v Speaker 2>people who lived in areas that were home to a

0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of cod fishing had started using cod liver oil

0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.680
<v Speaker 2>for a range of medicinal purposes, including as a treatment

0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:43.320
<v Speaker 2>for arthritis, sciatica, tuberculosis, and scropula, which is a swelling

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 2>of the lymph nodes in the neck that is typically

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:50.800
<v Speaker 2>caused by tuberculosis. The discovery of cod liver oil as

0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 2>a rickets treatment may have been an accident. A lot

0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.280
<v Speaker 2>of children who had rickets also had other conditions, such

0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.359
<v Speaker 2>as tuberculosis, and some were more generally manourished. So in

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the eighteenth century, doctors and hospitals were using cod liver

0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.479
<v Speaker 2>oil to treat a range of ailments and as a

0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 2>source of fat and calories for malnourished children. And people

0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:16.280
<v Speaker 2>started noticing improvements in children who were recognized as having rickets,

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 2>and children who weren't diagnosed with rickets but were just

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.480
<v Speaker 2>seen as small and sick started growing more and faster

0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.880
<v Speaker 2>than could be explained simply by getting more food to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>By the early nineteenth century, another proposed treatment for rickets

0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:37.399
<v Speaker 2>was sunlight. Polish physician yed Rej Sniodeki proposed sunlight as

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<v Speaker 2>a cure for rickets as early as eighteen twenty two.

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.520
<v Speaker 2>He wrote a book whose title translates to on the

0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Physical Education of Children, and it had a chapter on

0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the English disease. In that chapter, he said that if

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.879
<v Speaker 2>parents were financially able, they should take their children to

0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the country to keep them in the dry, open air.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said it was particular important that they be

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 2>in the sun because the sun's action on the body

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.160
<v Speaker 2>was one of the most efficient methods for the prevention

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 2>and cure of rickets. I do not know how he

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:16.680
<v Speaker 2>came to that conclusion, but it was correct. It may

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.640
<v Speaker 2>have just been that general fresh air and the great

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 2>outdoors is good for kids. There was a lot of

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 2>fresh air and sunlight focused, so it just might have

0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 2>been that Snandeki cited densely populated English towns as places

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:34.520
<v Speaker 2>where rickets was common. He described such towns as having

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>narrow streets and poorly lit dwellings, places where people would

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 2>not get a lot of sun and starting in the

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 2>eighteenth century in the UK and in other parts of

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 2>the world, more and more people.

0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Were living this way. In the wake of the Industrial Revolution,

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>more people were moving from the country to towns and

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 1>cities and were working indoors in factories, and this included children.

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.920
<v Speaker 1>The air pollution problems that it are already been observed

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>back in the seventeenth century, we're also getting worse because

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:08.639
<v Speaker 1>many of those factories were powered by burning coal. Soon

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>ricketts was being associated with the urban poor, particularly in

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the UK, but in other industrialized nations as well.

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 2>It's possible that there may have also been some dietary

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.640
<v Speaker 2>changes involved in this as people moved to the cities,

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 2>especially for example, they moved from the coast, where they

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 2>were eating a lot of fish, to somewhere farther inland

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>where they were not. One potential factor in London was

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 2>also the use of alum to whiten poor quality flour.

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Physician John Snow, most famous today for tracing the source

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 2>of a cholera outbreak in London, understood that rickets was

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.959
<v Speaker 2>a disease that affected the mineralization of bone. In eighteen

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 2>fifty seven, he published a paper arguing that alam was

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.879
<v Speaker 2>binding to phosphorus in the intestines of people who ate

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of cheap bread and that kept their bones

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:08.360
<v Speaker 2>for mineralizing. People did already know what phosphorus was. Hennig

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Brand had figured that out after boiling huge amounts of urine.

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Just enormous amounts of urine way back in sixteen sixty nine.

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:21.480
<v Speaker 2>We have scheduled that as an upcoming Saturday classic. I

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 2>got a fifteen hundred gallons a year and advised the

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Piaga workshop you want to come see. In the nineteenth century,

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 2>people also started noticing rickets in other animals, including animals

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 2>that were living in the gardens of the London Zoological Society.

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:41.400
<v Speaker 2>For example, surgeon John Bland Sutton described rickets as extremely

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 2>frequent in the monkeys living in the garden. In eighteen

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>eighty three, he wrote a paper titled on the Diseases

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 2>of Monkeys in the Society's Gardens, in which he said

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 2>nearly half of the monkeys in the gardens die rickety

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that is his direct quote, and that healthy monkeys that

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 2>arrived in the gardens were dead of rickets within four months.

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 2>These monkeys lived in a fully glassed in enclosure that

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>would have blocked the UV light. By the late eighteen nineties,

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>two schools of thought had evolved around rickets, one that

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 2>it could be cured with cod liver oil and the

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 2>other that it could be cured with sunlight, and a

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of doctors really thought it was one or the other,

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 2>not both, or they focused mainly on one and not

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 2>on the other. For example, physician Theobald Adrian Palm wrote

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.640
<v Speaker 2>a letter to the British Medical Journal in eighteen eighty

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>eight in response to a report on rickets that had

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>made the quote want of light sound unimportant. Palm was

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 2>objecting to that dismissiveness. He had worked in Japan for

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 2>almost ten years and described rickets there as quote conspicuous

0:26:54.400 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 2>by its absence. He attributed this to Japan's abundant sunshine.

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>He speculated that a worldwide study would find that rickets

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 2>is directly related to an absence of sunshine. He advocated

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the use of sun baths as treatment. He did, not,

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 2>at least in this piece, seemed to make any connection

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 2>with cod liver oil and the fact that the Japanese

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 2>diet included a lot of fish. Meanwhile, advocates of cod

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 2>liver oil and other fish oils were bolstered by the

0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>work of Casimir Funk in nineteen twelve he coined the

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 2>term vital amines or vitamins to describe compounds necessary for life.

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>He theorized that a lack of vital amines could cause

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 2>what he called deficiency diseases, including scurvy, pelagra, and rickets.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 2>The first vitamin to be isolated and named was vitamin

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 2>A a few years later, followed by vitamins B and C.

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 2>They were named that because that's the order of the alphabet.

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<v Speaker 2>The search for vitamins was partly rooted in a search

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>for nutrients that could prevent these diseases. When it came

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 2>to vitamin C, that disease was, of course scurvy, and

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 2>the search was for a substance with anti scorbutic properties,

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>meaning the ability to fight off scurvy. So with these developments,

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 2>researchers were also looking for a compound with anti rickets

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.959
<v Speaker 2>properties when cod liver oil was found to be a

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 2>good source of vitamin A. After vitamin A was isolated,

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 2>people started wondering if that was the anti rocritic component,

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>and this led to some confusion and some kind of

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 2>overlapping research about why exactly cod liver oil was an

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>effective treatment for rickets. As that vitamin research was going

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>on there were also ongoing efforts to study the use

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 2>of both UV light and cod liver oil to treat rickets.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighteen and nineteen nineteen, a doctor Holdshinsky successfully

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>demon treated the use of UV lamps to treat rickets

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 2>in children. He also noted that using the UV lamp

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>on one arm treated rickets in both arms, and he

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>speculated that the UV light was causing the synthesis of

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.959
<v Speaker 2>some kind of compound that could then circulate all throughout

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>the body. At around the same time, American doctors Alfred

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Hesse and Lester Unger were testing cod liver oil as

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>a treatment and preventative for scurvy in black children in

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 2>New York City. As we noted earlier, people with darker

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>skin are at greater risk for rickets because of the

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 2>amount of melanin in their skin compared to the strength

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>of the sun at that latitude. Not as much direct

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>sunlight in New York than in parts of Africa, for example,

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 2>cod liver oil treatments either prevented the onset of rickets

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>or led to its resolution. In ninety two percent of

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 2>infants who were treated for six months, and in more

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>than and half of the infants who were treated for

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 2>four months. Sixteen infants in the control group were not

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>given any cod liver oil, and nearly all of them

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.479
<v Speaker 2>had rickets by the end of six months.

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Today, this study would not be viewed as ethical, since

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>other studies had already established that cod liver oil could

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>be used to treat rickets. What wasn't as well established

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>was whether cod liver oil could prevent rickets, not just

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>treat it, and this study was the first to show

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>that it could. The Henry Street Settlement House, which was

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>involved with this study, also became a rickets screening and

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>treatment center for the community more broadly as it was

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>going on. Also, we should take a moment to note

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that the prevalence of rickets among black people living in

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>North America was used to justify racism, with racists arguing

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that it signaled some kind of inherent weakness in their bodies. This,

0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 1>again was just about melanin, and the vitamin D was

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>isolated and named not long after this study. Multiple people

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>contributed to its discovery, some of them through their previous

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>work on vitamin A. In nineteen nineteen, Edward Mellanbee wrote

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>about a fourth vitamin the absence of which could cause rickets,

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 1>concluding that it was either vitamin A or another fat

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>soluble vitamin that's found in a lot of the same

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>foods as vitamin A. Elmer McCollum, who had helped discover

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>vitamin A, differentiated the two and he was the one

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>who coined the name vitamin D.

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen twenty two, bacteriologist Harriet Chick of the Lister

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Institute of Preventive Medicine in London led a team from

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>the British Medical Research Council to Vienna to study ricketts there.

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 2>They had been invited by Charles Perku, director of the

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 2>University of Vienna's Kinder Clinic. This was an unusual research

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>team for the time because most of its members, including Chick,

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>were women. They divided the babies into two groups. Group

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>one continued on the Kinder clinics regular diet, which included

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>local cow's milk and sucrose, while Group two had full

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>cream dried milk with some added sugar supplemented with cod

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 2>liver oil. They assessed the babies for rickets using X rays.

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Half of the babies in Group one developed rickets, while

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 2>none of the babies in group two did this study

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 2>took place over the course of nineteen twenty one and

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty two, and the results were different based on

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the season. Babies in Group one, who had showed signs

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 2>of rickets early in the year seemed to improve in

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the spring and summer, so the team did further research

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>to narrow down whether this had something to do with

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>the quality of the local milk changing seasonally, or if

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 2>it was the fact that the babies were being placed

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 2>outside on balconies as soon as the weather was warm enough.

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Eleven babies from Group one were kept strictly indoors for

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>about three months and developed rickets, and they all rapidly

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>improved after being brought outdoors when the weather allowed it.

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Babies also improved after being exposed to light from a

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>mercury vapor lamp. The babies in group one who had

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 2>developed rickets also rapidly improved once cod liver oil was

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 2>added to their food. This study helped establish that rickets

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 2>could be treated with both cod liver oil and sunlight.

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 2>This was not the one or the other situation that

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of researchers had been thinking that it was.

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen twenty five, this was generally accepted within the

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 2>medical community, and then over the nineteen twenties and thirties,

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>researchers figured out how to produce vitamin D, allowing it

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>to be added to things like infant formula and other

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 2>food that led to a sharp decline in rates of

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>rickets in some parts of the world. Continues to be

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 2>an ongoing issue, though in addition to the things that

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about, people who have other conditions that affect

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>their absorption of nutrients can certainly develop rickets. This includes

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 2>coeliac disease, inflammatory bowel disease, and cystic fibrosis.

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Among others.

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.799
<v Speaker 2>In more recent years, there have also been concerns that

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.919
<v Speaker 2>advice to wear sunblock to prevent skin cancer has led

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to a rise in rickets. This seems to be complicated

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 2>in lab studies. Unquestionably, sunblock keeps the skin from being

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>able to synthesize vitamin D, but in real world situations

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:45.320
<v Speaker 2>it is not nearly as clear. Most people just don't

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 2>apply sunblock perfectly or often enough, or use enough of

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the product, so at least some sun exposure is still happening.

0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 2>It's possible that a bigger factor than wearing sunblock is

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 2>just the fact that some people don't go outside much

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 2>at all. Like if a child is being driven to

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 2>school and then does not have recess at school and

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 2>then comes back home and reads and plays video games

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 2>and goes to bed, not a lot of opportunity there

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 2>for direct sun exposure.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, having a flashback to our episode where we talked

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>about sunscreens, I'm not knocking reading and playing video games.

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Those are two of my favorite pastor. I am an

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 2>advocate of sunscreened.

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 1>All of these things are important, but you must get

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 1>vitamin D. Do you have listener mail for us? I

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>do have listener mail. This is from Charylyn, who wrote, Hi, both,

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I've been listening for over a decade. My now ex

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>wife used to refer to you as the Ladies because

0:35:55.719 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>you were and still are my food prep companions. Appreciate

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the years of company, as well as the reflective and

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>sometimes self reflective way you addressed your work. I grew

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.719
<v Speaker 1>up half an hour south of Boston, so hearing bits

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>of Tracy's life is like fragments from home. I now

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>live in Wales, and my first bit of Welsh history

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 1>from you years before I moved here. It was the

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Abravan disaster and living in the Welsh valleys as I do,

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>understanding the mining history is an important culture point. I

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 1>have been to the graves of the children who died

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>in the Abravan disaster, which is absolutely heartbreaking. I almost

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 1>took this last line out because I cried writing it,

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>and I can picture Holly trying not to cry reading it.

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>But the personal connection to history and this bridge this

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>podcast has been is part of the point on two

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 1>iguanadons in between Boston and Wales. In between Boston and Wales,

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I lived not far from Crystal Palace, which is an

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>area of London in addition to a park, so I

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed hearing about the creation of the park. My

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 1>shorthand for the statues has always been what the Victorian's

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.399
<v Speaker 1>thought dinosaurs looked like, so it was interesting to hear

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the background to them. I too was sad to think

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of the people working on it seeing them already be

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>incorrect because of new discoveries. But they are still fun

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 1>to visit. I recommend them to anyone wanting something a

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>little more offbeat in London. The larger park is also lovely,

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and the train station is now part of the Tube network.

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 1>It was also interesting to hear that they demolished the

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Pinge mansion for the park, as Pinge is now an

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>area down the road slash Hill for a pet tax

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I've attached my eight year old cat, Willow. Her pet

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>sitter got this scratching pad for Christmas, and he was

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 1>instantly appreciative. Thank you for all you do, especially as

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 1>it gets harder to access resources. You are my podcast

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>staple and the one I most often recommend to others.

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 2>All the best, Charlyn.

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>We have a.

0:37:56.080 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Picture of a black cat. Computer does not want to

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 2>open it at full skies at the moment, but oh,

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>there we go. As soon as I said that and

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 2>tried to close the window, it appeared we have a

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 2>black cat on Christmas tree shaped one of those cardboard

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 2>like scratching pads.

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Super cute. I in my house have.

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>A cardboard Halloween house that was bought at the pet

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.280
<v Speaker 2>store on impulse a couple of years ago and became

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 2>one of Opal's favorite things. It is still in good

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 2>enough shape to still be in the house. I'm always

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>wondering how much longer though, until like the bottom is

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:48.479
<v Speaker 2>all the way shredded through. How I don't know even

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the right word for a person's first bit of Welsh

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 2>history before moving to Wales being the Abervan Disaster one

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>of the saddest episodes we have ever done.

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Listen well, while you were reading, I was hoping she

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 1>was going to say it was the Mary Lloyd.

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 2>It was going to be.

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Poor skeletons of the holidays, but no, Alas no.

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, it's so sad that I kind of erased

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 2>it from my memory for a while after we recorded it.

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>And when someone asked about what are some of the

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.840
<v Speaker 2>saddest episodes you've ever done? I didn't mention it, and

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:26.279
<v Speaker 2>somebody else was like, what about the Abravant Well, I

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:27.760
<v Speaker 2>blocked it out of my head.

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that's what hard? Same? I had some that we

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>had talked about that were really harrowing come up in

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>recent research, and I was like, I forgot we did these.

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>I think my brain did that on purpose.

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can only hold so much. So thank you again,

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Chrilyn for this lovely email. I'm glad you enjoyed visiting

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 2>the Crystal Palace Park. Perhaps one day I will make

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>it and see them myself. If you would like to

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