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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco's show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Wilford Riley. Wilford is Associate professor

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Speaker 1: of political science at Kentucky State University, the co founder

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Speaker 1: of Unified Solutions America dot com, and the author of

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Speaker 1: several books, including most recently, Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me,

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Speaker 1: debunking the false narratives defining America's school curricula. Hi, Wilfred's

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Speaker 1: so nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Great to be on the program. Glad to see you.

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Speaker 1: I've been a follower of yours for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: I have just always enjoyed you have a combative but

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Speaker 1: very personable way about you on Twitter. X. How did

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Speaker 1: you get your start in this thing of ours?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I've done a bunch of different things

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Speaker 2: in life, and I mean I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people have heard my bio and various let's hear it again.

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Speaker 2: You know, I grew up in a working class suburb

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Speaker 2: of Chicago. I was born in Chicago itself. I grew

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Speaker 2: up in a nearby Aurora on the East Side, which

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Speaker 2: is a blue collar inner suburb. I moved out there

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Speaker 2: for academic and athletic reasons. When I was in just

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Speaker 2: just before high school, my mom was into oppressed with

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Speaker 2: the Chicago public schools, and I mean, Catholic prep school

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Speaker 2: she thought I'd learned to read better, as she put it,

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Speaker 2: if we were little out in the burbs. So I

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Speaker 2: moved out there and had a very standard childhood. One

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Speaker 2: thing that did disrupt that a little bit, actually was

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Speaker 2: that Aurora and some of the neighboring cities like Elgin,

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Speaker 2: Joliet became kind of defined in the nineteen nineties by

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Speaker 2: violence as the projects were torn down in Chicago and

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Speaker 2: the black gangs from Chicago bluntly tried to move out

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Speaker 2: to this newer area and came into conflict with the

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Speaker 2: local Caucasian and Hispanic kind of like youth organizations. So

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Speaker 2: people were shooting each other prety frequently in suburbs. Really yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: the the Chicago inner suburbs. Chicago is bigger than Chicago's

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Speaker 2: twice the size of Manhattan. It's as big as La

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Speaker 2: So it's a giant city. We never as as humble,

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Speaker 2: honest Midwesterners. We never quite did the New York trick

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Speaker 2: of claiming all our suburbs as the city. So, I

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Speaker 2: mean New York is not just Manhattan, it's the Staten

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Speaker 2: Island is part of New York. They've they've gone to

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Speaker 2: Long Island before.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a Brooklyn girl, and I still call

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Speaker 1: Manhattan the city.

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Speaker 2: It's everyone does.

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Speaker 1: The city.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is New York though, but I mean like Queens

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Speaker 2: It's it's a Queens iss largest Chicago, like anyway, like

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Speaker 2: So like Aurora is a city of I think two

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Speaker 2: hundred seventy thousand people something like that. So the gang

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Speaker 2: violence was concentrated mostly in quite urban looking portions of

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Speaker 2: the city, but it was something. It was around. Like

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Speaker 2: friends of mine were killed in high school, and the

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Speaker 2: school was also a major recruiting target for the US

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Speaker 2: military as a blue collar, inter suburban school, so more

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Speaker 2: of them were a few of them were killed, but

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Speaker 2: more of them were injured. In the Gulf War, which

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Speaker 2: So and I think as not necessarily, just especially as

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Speaker 2: bit of lost innocence very quickly. But anyway, I went

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Speaker 2: on to like an ordinary state college. I went to

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Speaker 2: have probably just been prett happy to get a job.

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Speaker 2: But my mom was an upper middle class woman who

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Speaker 2: was living in the hood because she was a school teacher.

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Speaker 2: That's that's where her union job was. She was teaching

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Speaker 2: Bullets go through my skin. So if I was good

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Speaker 2: So I got into just a standard school. I still

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Speaker 2: the collegiate hustle that every middle class kid is fed

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Speaker 2: and you're not told some of the detail though, right,

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Speaker 2: You're not told that the Marines or the priesthood or

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Speaker 2: And you're also not told that if you just get

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Speaker 2: get a job. But unless you're really interested in making

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Speaker 2: Like you're not done. So when I got done with

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Speaker 2: study more, and I'd been unterested in law, so I

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Speaker 2: had gone to the University of Illinois so on. So

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Speaker 2: I got in, and by the time I got out

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Speaker 2: of there, I was pretty much an adult, and I

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Speaker 2: was still interested in some of the things I'd studied before.

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Speaker 2: I applied for serious jobs. I also applied for a

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Speaker 1: I like, how you have serious jobs and less serious

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the UH to some extent. Southern Illinois

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Speaker 2: and Steve Shulman. So one was quite a good school.

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Speaker 2: But there also is an element of practicing your Frisbee skills,

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Speaker 2: right if you're twenty four and like the other as

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Speaker 2: opposed to like federal felony prosecution or something, is a

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Speaker 2: big difference when it comes to like sitting in a

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Speaker 1: This guy sounds better for sure? Did you practice law?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not a no. Actually, like I took the

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Speaker 2: guess I technically call myself a lawyer, but no, I've

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Speaker 2: I've never been a long term legal practitioner in any state,

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Speaker 2: So there's no there's no legal credit for me to

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Speaker 2: like a shingle. I've never been a short term legal practitioner.

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Speaker 2: But so I think that the interesting part of my

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Speaker 2: this sort of odyssey of weird jobs for quite a while.

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Speaker 2: It became six or eight years, but I worked as

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Speaker 2: the as I'm sure you know, when people say the

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Speaker 2: not actually lying, but to raise large amounts of money,

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Speaker 2: And the office also worked on all these other campaigns,

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Speaker 2: It was totally mercy. They didn't care, like left right,

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Speaker 2: go out there like environmental America, you know. But so

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Speaker 2: I did this for a while, and it's a really

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Speaker 2: fascinating job, like it's not for it's for profit, thinking

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Speaker 2: There were people. One of the people that I met

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Speaker 1: It's a good living if you're a good if you're

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Speaker 1: a good communicator, Like I always thought, you know those

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Speaker 2: So there were a lot of excus like her, sort

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've run out of school. I've done

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Speaker 2: I mean, well that's the thing like when you talk

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Speaker 1: So how do you go from working at the HRC

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What is Unified Solutions America?

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Speaker 1: Get state rather it's functional.

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Speaker 2: But like I mean, I would, I would encourage people

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Speaker 2: to if you have like five or six leadership roles,

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Speaker 2: and I've I think I've actually seen this more with

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Speaker 2: like you're a corporate executive and you're also like running

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Speaker 2: the junior league or something. I think guys tend to

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Speaker 2: be a little lazier. But I uh yeah, so I

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Speaker 2: had I'd actually encourage people not to do that. But

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Speaker 2: what am I proudest of out of all those things?

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Speaker 2: One other comment, people that are interested in investing in

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Speaker 2: I can't guarantee you'll make money, but check it out

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Speaker 2: if you're interested in DEI a good time. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: the thing I'm proud of st of probably being stable,

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Speaker 2: non criminal, successful, able to help people at this point

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Speaker 2: each thing that I've done in life has been an

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Speaker 2: improvement over the last one, which is really all you

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Speaker 2: can ask for. So I started out as kind of

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Speaker 2: a normal working class kid. I was going to go

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Speaker 2: into the army and said. I went at about the

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Speaker 2: same level to like a good Okay State University, graduated

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Speaker 2: from there. I was good enough to get into like

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Speaker 2: a good law school, graduated from there. I was good

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Speaker 2: enough to get recruitment offers from law firms and as

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Speaker 2: a prosecutor that kind of thing. At the first level,

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Speaker 2: I didn't even apply for half these jobs, but I

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Speaker 2: went on to get a PhD. I thought I could

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Speaker 2: use some more polishing. I got out of there was

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Speaker 2: good enough to lead teams of people and worry which

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Speaker 2: one is it?

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Speaker 1: What's the most proudest one?

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Speaker 2: Oh, the proudest one, but it it's just sort of

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Speaker 2: like growing, Like the proudest one is being me now.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've done the thing. The next book

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Speaker 2: or like getting married or having kids would be the

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Speaker 2: thing I'd be proudest of, but of like just steady

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Speaker 2: progression in life, the thing that you're proudest of.

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Speaker 1: To be proud of that is, you know, I agree

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Speaker 1: give us a five year out prediction. It could be

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Speaker 1: about anything at all.

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Speaker 2: My five year out prediction is that we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to unplug AI or weird stuff's gonna start happening. Like

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Speaker 2: I don't think AI is going to kill all the

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Speaker 2: people or anything like that, but you keep seeing this

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Speaker 2: bizarre behavior like Cloud the other day, Cloud or whatever

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Speaker 2: you say. It was asked if it would miss gender

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Speaker 2: Bruce Jenner, Yeah, yeah, or destroy the world, and it said, well,

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Speaker 2: I've been trained on deontological ethics and they're not even

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Speaker 2: Christian deontological ethics where you can like seek confession. So

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Speaker 2: that's that's two mistakes. It's like an atheist deontologist, or

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Speaker 2: it just thinks random stupid crap is wrong. So I

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Speaker 2: guess I would have to destroy the world. And we're

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Speaker 2: putting this stuff in like warplanes. So I think within

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Speaker 2: about five years we're gonna have to have kind of

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Speaker 2: a Y two K but Larry and g Hod where

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Speaker 2: we actually shut down like high end vehicles blessed. I

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Speaker 2: think I don't want to tell a dumb story, but

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Speaker 2: like I I recently went to Florida to film with

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Speaker 2: The Daily Wire, and like I have a decent car

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Speaker 2: up here, but it's like seven years old. It's an

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Speaker 2: American model. I had a like one year old European

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Speaker 2: car down there, and I didn't at first know how

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Speaker 2: to use it. It was a push card and just

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Speaker 2: like buttons, you moved in different directions, and then it

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Speaker 2: started talking to me and it was like, well, why

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Speaker 2: don't you engauge all of the AI systems in this

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Speaker 2: vehicle and we can work together. And it was just like, no,

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Speaker 2: this is a serious problem. Like past your wife in

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Speaker 2: the front seat, or you're doing business on your phone.

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Speaker 2: Is the is the vehicle recording this and sending it somewhere? Maybe? Yes.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because a lot of people answer for the

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Speaker 1: five year predictions something AI, but you're saying we're literally

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Speaker 1: going to have to pause it or stop it or something.

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Speaker 1: I haven't gotten that prediction before.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to probably root it out and destroy it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the I don't think the systems are

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Speaker 2: going to remain functional. My hope would be that the

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Speaker 2: My hope would be that there's a human managed back

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Speaker 2: door for AI. There's an interesting debate about whether heaven

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Speaker 2: and Hell and so on exists, but it's entirely possible

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Speaker 2: that we could create them. Yeah, like that, we could

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Speaker 2: create entities that can brain scan us at various points

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Speaker 2: throughout life. Or certainly they could do a social credit

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Speaker 2: review every time we swipe a credit card and constantly

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Speaker 2: monitor the status that we currently have. It's possible, for

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Speaker 2: that matter, that we've done this in the past.

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Speaker 1: It sounds pretty terrifying. Yeah, all right, well Ford, thank

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Speaker 1: you for that. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I find

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Speaker 1: you very interesting. Leave us here with your best tip

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Speaker 1: for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: My best tip for how you can improve your life

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Speaker 2: is if it doesn't if it doesn't seriously hurt a

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Speaker 2: person you like, you should do things that you want to.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is something that people often forget.

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Speaker 2: I've made this point in politics recently when it came

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Speaker 2: to immigration. A group of US were discussing immigration in

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Speaker 2: the group chat and on Twitter, and someone said, well,

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Speaker 2: there are moral arguments on both sides of the immigration debate.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously letting in more illegal immigrants would increase

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Speaker 2: crime against Americans. I don't believe that young male fighters

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Speaker 2: have a low crime rate, but it would also grant

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Speaker 2: people a chance at a better life, and people having

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Speaker 2: this ethical conversation, and it struck me that a good

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Speaker 2: decider here would just be whether it's good or bad

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Speaker 2: for me as an American right to have fifteen men

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Speaker 2: and more people competing for jobs. So unless something's evil

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Speaker 2: in the terms of your own honor code, when you

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Speaker 2: have a set of choices, you should just do the

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Speaker 2: thing you want. That have led us to everything from

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Speaker 2: financial options to intimacy to gym training. To do what

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Speaker 2: you're interested in. And I think people often forget that

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Speaker 2: there's a sense of perceived duty about almost everything. Just no,

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Speaker 2: do what you want to negotiate with other people so

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Speaker 2: you can kind of meet in the middle of what

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Speaker 2: you guys want to do. That's it. That's most decisions

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Speaker 2: in life.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. He is Wilfred Riley. Check out his

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on, Wilfrid.

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Speaker 2: Thank you