1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Hey, every want Welcome back to Bachler Happy Hour. I'm 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena and we are here today with Zoe. Zoe. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Hi. Thank you for having me, of. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Course, And before we get into the episode, we're gonna 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: get a little breakdown of what you were doing before 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: the show, how you got on the show, a little 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: bit of a history, and then we'll get into episode two. 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's lots to talk about, so we're excited to 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: have you on today. 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Thank you. 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So, Zoe, where where do you live? 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: So? Right now, I live in New York City, but 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: I'm actually from southern Virginia. I went to school in 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: North Carolina and lived in Philly. So nice New York too. 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: We're here too, a West village. Oh nice. 17 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 3: We're in Chelsea, so not too far close. 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: How long have you been here? 20 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: Oh? I think like three years food and a half 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: now I'm like losing track of time. Yeah, I'll together, 22 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: we failed the same. 23 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: And how what do you do for a living? 24 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: So when I graduated, I've been working in finance tech 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: for like six years and my latest job was with 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: the one in Stock Exchange as a product manager. We 27 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: did interest rate things with large investment banks. But I 28 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 2: was actually laid off this summer, and I had started 29 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: modeling a couple of years ago once I moved to 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: New York, so luckily I was able to kind of 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: just pivot into that realm. But I do always want 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: to get back into like tech or like startups. So TBD. 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: Nice, Nice, And what was dating life like before you 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: went on the show. 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: It was very weird for me, Like I grew up 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: in southern Virginia as like one of the few people 37 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: of color in my like small town, and I did 38 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: not have a boyfriend until my senior year of college. 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: I think because of that, like a lot of the 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: guys would say like they couldn't date black women, like whatnot, 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: and I didn't have many options. And then at college 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: it's like at Duke, everyone was like so nerdy, and 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: I think they we like we're also focused on studies. 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 2: Like once the guys got there, they just wanted to 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: have fun and party and no one wanted to settle down. 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: And when I graduated, I moved to Philly. I met 47 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: a guy, and you know, I thought, like this is 48 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: the one for me. And I think at the time, 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: I had like really low self esteem. So I basically 50 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: wasted like two years of my life like chasing him 51 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: and like pick me, like love me. And when we 52 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: finally did start dating, I was able to see a 53 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: lot of like the red flags and like how I 54 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: was not being treated well. And I think that coincided 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: with me moving to New York and like getting real 56 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: girlfriends and like people who were like hyping me up 57 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: and like so we're like you're like amazing, Like you 58 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: don't need this, and so like the last two years 59 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: dating in New York has been interesting, Like I think 60 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: the quality of men is so amazing, Like I've met 61 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: so many genuine, nice, great people. But now I'm back 62 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: with the people who don't want to commit. And even 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: worse than not wanting to commit, they don't tell you that, 64 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: and so you've invested like months to like a year 65 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: that they're not actually looking for relationships. So that's where 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: I was at. And so last year on my vision board, 67 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: I was like, I want a husband. That's what I 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: was looking for, you know, I think it's it's something 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: I really really do want as just a life partner 70 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: and like love and like a family. And when the 71 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: opportunity arose like it was the strangest set of coincidences. 72 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: Like I said, I got laid off and then I 73 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: was going in to compete for Miss New York USA 74 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: for my third time. I was the returning fresh runner up, 75 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: so I was like, should have won. And that week 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: between like getting laid off and not winning the pageant 77 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: was like when someone had reached out to me of like, 78 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: do you want to apply to be on the Bachelor? 79 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: And I was like, I guess, I I'll hedge my bets, 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: like I'll start the process. And once I lost the 81 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: pageant and I, you know, no longer had a job, 82 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: I was like, I guess this is what I'm supposed 83 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: to be doing. 84 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: At the time, was Grant announced as being the next Bachelor. 85 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: No, so by that point all we had seen was 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: part of gen season, and I was like looking at 87 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: that like similar what Jen said. I was like, no, 88 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: one's like really sticking out to me, Like obviously there 89 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: were some cute guys, Grant was one of them, but 90 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: like we didn't really to see a ton of personalities. 91 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: So I wasn't like I want this man to be 92 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: my husband, but I was open to it, and I 93 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: think we found out when the world found out via Instagram, 94 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: and yeah, I was like, he seems really sweet. He 95 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: seemed like he actually wants to be a husband and 96 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: like wants to be a protector and provider. And he's 97 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: a little bit mysterious online, so it's like you know 98 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: too much about him, But honestly, in this day and age, 99 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: that's preferred when it comes to men, like I want 100 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: my man on private with like two hundred followers, So 101 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: I was excited to meet him. 102 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: Did it feel like, what were your hopes to expectations 103 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: going into it, because it almost feels like if I 104 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: was in your shoes, I'd be like this is crazy, 105 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: Like it almost feels kind of like fate, like everything's aligning, 106 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: like someone reached out to me at this perfect time 107 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: in my life to do something like this, and I'm 108 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: manifesting a husband and this guy's looking for a wife, 109 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 3: and like this could really all work out. 110 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: That's exactly it. And everything in my life that's been 111 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: life changing, wrestling, getting into Duke, like everything was that way. 112 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: Like it's not like I had these like I'm going 113 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: to go do these things and they completely altered my life. 114 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: So I was like Oh, this just makes sense in 115 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: the life of Zoe, like of course I'd be on 116 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: the Bachelor and figure I get laid off from my 117 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: job and yeah, so that was my thing. I'm like 118 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: very much like trust the process, like it's here. It 119 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: made sense and it definitely like no one was surprised. 120 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: One more fact about you. You were on the boys 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: rest team. How does that work for boys in high 122 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: school wrestling with a girl, you know what? 123 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: Like being in like a small like conservative town. I 124 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: really thought they weren't gonna let me join because there 125 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: was no women's team. It was back in like I 126 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: don't even know twenty twelve. But as I said, I'm 127 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: very much like the type of person like if I'm 128 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: not supposed to do something like, I'm gonna go do it, 129 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: like I'm gonna prove you all wrong. So when I 130 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: heard that they had openings, I went. I was horrible. 131 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: I got pinned in twenty seconds every single match for 132 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: my first year, and typical they all were like, she's 133 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: not taking this seriously, like don't come back type thing. 134 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: But I didn't want to let that happen, and I 135 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: came back and I really pushed myself and by my 136 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: second year, I don't think I got pinned. By my 137 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: fourth year, I was winning half my matches. But the 138 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: guys were actually so supportive, funny enough, A guy that 139 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: I wrestled like still follows me and he's like, I 140 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: wrestled you, and he's like, I saw that I was 141 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: on the Bachelor, so he's like so hype. So like 142 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: the guys were so impressed because you would think that 143 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 2: I would come in and I would just be like 144 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: an easy win and I love to surprise people. And 145 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: I never left him. Why what called you to do that? Like, 146 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: how are you like? 147 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: I feel called to be a wrestler now and I'm 148 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: going to do it on the boys team. 149 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: You know, I was such a black sheep growing up. 150 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: I was adopted into like a Caucasian family, as I said, 151 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: like in a very like white town. I was a 152 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: complete nerd. I like dressed it as Albert Einstein for 153 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: every Halloween. So I was. 154 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: That's funny. 155 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: That should have been in your fun facts. You should 156 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: have came about the limo dressed up Like I was like, 157 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: let me try to get a husband, but maybe one 158 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: day I'll show those But yeah, so I was like 159 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: always just like so didn't fit in, and at the time, 160 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: I was like really tall to him, five to nine. 161 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: Everyone in my hometown was like I was the tallest girl. 162 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: I was taller than most of the boys, and I 163 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: had been playing basketball at that time. And I heard 164 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: the announcement, I was like, Okay, what's gonna look better 165 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: in college? Like tall girl plays basketball or girl plays wrestling, 166 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: and like either one, I'm going to the Olympics for 167 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: so I chose to do it, and it really was 168 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: life changing. I learned so many like skills that you 169 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: don't get in any other sport or like really much 170 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: anything else in life, for like self discipline if you've 171 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: never wrestled, like it's both an individual sport and a 172 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: team sport, like you were reliable for maintaining your weight 173 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: going to the gym working out, but also like learning 174 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: the moves and then getting in the right head space. 175 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: And also like I didn't have a great home life, 176 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: so it was a great escape for those like many 177 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: hours after school that I had a place to go. 178 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: And I think it's also what helped me when I 179 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: got to engineering, because I'm like, I'm used to being 180 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: one of the boys and like all of that, so 181 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: definitely amazing. And now I get to like mentor with 182 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: some wrestlers here, which is amazing. That is so cool. 183 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: That is yeah, wow, I love that story. Okay, let's 184 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 3: get into the show. So night one rolls around. You 185 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: could have dresses Albert Einstein. You could have wrestled him 186 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: to the ground. You went with the T shirt gun. 187 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: How did we land on this? 188 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: Yes, because I really was like, do I want to 189 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: do something like funny whatever, or do I want to 190 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: look hot and like do something memorable? And I was like, 191 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: let's do the hot. We can do the fun stuff later. 192 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 2: So I had that down from my pad and that 193 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: I got everywhere. I gotta get my money's worth, and 194 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: I was thinking something along the lines of basketball. But 195 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: I figured some of the girls would probably show up 196 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: with basketball to play basketball whatever, and I was like, 197 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: fan merch, Like I genuinely want to be a power 198 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: couple with whoever I am, whether that's just to we 199 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 2: look hot or we're souper successful. And so I was like, 200 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: that's perfect, We'll have some merch. I think my idea 201 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: was just to throw it over the house to some 202 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: of the girls who like lay them around. But someone 203 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: had the idea for this super dangerous scary T shirt 204 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 2: cannon and I was like, I have terrible aims, So 205 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: I genuinely don't know why they thought that was a 206 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: good idea. 207 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: I would be like, someone needs to get like a waver, 208 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 3: like should have me sign a waiver before I use this? 209 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: No, I shouldn't be allowed to use this. Also, I 210 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: didn't know there were girls outside, Like I was like, 211 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: felt so bad and scared. I was like, is someone 212 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: who get hit? So I'm glad it all worked out. 213 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: No one was injured, no mansion was injured. And the 214 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: making of my Night one entrance, and I think it 215 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: made an impression. 216 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, I think from a viewer standpoint 217 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: in ours, you're one of the front runners after episode one, 218 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: it seems like you and Grant have a really good connection. 219 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: Is that how it felt? Did you feel confident after 220 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: Night one? 221 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: It was this weird mix, And I think it comes 222 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: down like I, yes, I'd come off confident, and yes 223 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 2: I looked like and then I sparkly gowned, But I 224 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: genuinely am like always like I don't know if people 225 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: like me. I don't know if men like me and 226 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 2: so and I don't know what his type was, Like, 227 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: we didn't know much about Grant, like does he want uh, 228 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: like powerhouse woman or does he want someone who's like 229 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: more like loving and caring or like you know, and 230 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: so we had such a mix of women. I was like, 231 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: oh yeah, we had a great intro and we had 232 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: like actually a good little conversation then. But I was 233 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: the second to last girl to speak to him that night, 234 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: so oh. 235 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do remember you saying something like I've been 236 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 3: waiting a long time, or you said something hinting that 237 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: you were like one of the later. 238 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 2: Girls, literally second to last, and you know, by that 239 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 2: point maybe had a few too many drinks and like 240 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: and then our conversation that I actually got really deep, 241 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: really quickly because of the questions he asked me, And 242 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 2: I was like, I want to make every moment I 243 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: have here as impactful as possible, Like I didn't want 244 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: to just touch the surface. So I was like, I 245 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 2: don't know if that's going to be too much. And 246 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: I also was like okay, like yes, we kissed, but 247 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: then he was kissing everyone, so I was like, yeah, kissing, 248 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: the kisses meant nothing, But I guess on the hindsight, 249 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: like on the flip side, at least I got a kiss, 250 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: which then at least showed me that he was attracted 251 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 2: to me. And I do think that we had that 252 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: initial chemistry, which is something that's really really important to 253 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: me with the men that I date. And yeah, so 254 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: it was definitely a world one of emotions. I did 255 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: not feel safe at any point, and I was so 256 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: grateful my name was called like third because like otherwise 257 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: I probably would have had a heart attack. 258 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I don't blame you. It definitely feels 259 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 3: good to be called early. What were the vibes like 260 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: in the house, because you definitely made a bold entrance 261 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: your shooting T shirts out into the pool. We see Chloe, 262 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: she like puts on the T shirt, she's modeling it. 263 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: She seemed to have kind of a playful attitude towards 264 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 3: your entrance, like she was almost like bantering about it 265 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: with you. Did any of the girls have a negative 266 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: reaction towards your entrance? 267 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: I think someone said something about like it almost hit them, 268 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: Like I was grateful. Chloe like definitely broke the ice 269 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: because it was one of those things where they could 270 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: have been like what are you doing and like ignored it, 271 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think my way of operating is like 272 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 2: you never know the opportunities that you're gonna have, and 273 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: like I try to take them full for so like 274 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 2: I'm going to try to make an impression, I'm going 275 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: to try to mark my territory. And so I think 276 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: when I came in, the vibes were like maybe a 277 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: little bit weird of like a little bit stand office, 278 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: like who is this girl? Who does she think she is? 279 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: Which I'm fine with. I think that's how we should 280 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: all act, like we don't know each other and we're 281 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: all about to fight for the same man, like, but yeah, 282 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: I think it was an interesting dynamic. And plus since 283 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: we were the last limo, all the other girls were 284 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: already talking and like spent quite some time together before 285 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: we got there. So I think that was also like 286 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: a bit like late to the party, like and I 287 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: am making a huge entrance, So it wasn't interesting. 288 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: What is your What was your knowledge of the Bachelor 289 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: franchise before coming. 290 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: On the show, Very very little, and in hindsight, on 291 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: my getwish thing, I had watched a little bit more episodes, 292 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: like I think everyone watches, we've all seen it. We 293 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: know the promise, but I think maybe I had watched 294 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: one or two seasons in the last like ten years 295 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: in its entirety, so I really did not know what 296 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: I was getting myself into too much. I tried to 297 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: watch a little bit before I left, just to like 298 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: have an idea of like even to where like what 299 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: are we doing, like what is the vibe? But yeah, 300 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: I didn't know too much. But once I got actually 301 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: in the casting process, I did look a little bit 302 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: more and I was happy, like to see that there's 303 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: stuff like this where there's like a whole almost alumni 304 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: network where it's like, even if you don't find your 305 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: love store on the show, like, there's so many opportunities 306 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: to find love and friendship within the franchise. And I 307 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: really liked that part. So I was like, I'll win 308 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: one way or another. Yeah, that's a great. 309 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: Way to look at it and a great mentality to 310 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: have going into it for sure. Okay, let's get into 311 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: episode two because that's where all the juice is of. Yeah, 312 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: it was a four choice of words. But anyway, you 313 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: are on the first group date of the season, You're 314 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: on the basketball date, you play basketball. How do you 315 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: feel going into the date. 316 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: So I was excited because I did play basketball. I 317 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: was I was a little bit upsex. I wanted a 318 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: smaller group like that was a large group that was 319 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: ten women on one group date, and it was the 320 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: day right after the roast ceremony. So it's like we 321 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: hit the ground running, like there was no time to 322 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: get to know each other, there was no time to 323 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: like sit there and reflect. So it was just a 324 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: bit nerve wracking. 325 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Something we see. We see 326 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: it every season. We see someone pretty early on on 327 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: a group date. We'll pull the bachelor or bachelor the 328 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: lead aside and take them away from the group, and 329 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: it usually rubs the group the wrong way, which which 330 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: is kind of what happened, which is which happened, which 331 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: is what happened. So yeah, I just want to hear 332 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: how that went. What was your thought process doing it? 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, the whole thing, well. 334 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: Exactly as you just said. It happens every season. So 335 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: in my brain and like the way I think, it's 336 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: like there's no rules there, like if you know what 337 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: I mean. And so I knew would rub people the 338 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: wrong way, but I didn't think it would anger them. 339 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: I thought it would be something like oh dang, like 340 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: she did what I wanted to do, and like I'm 341 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: going to take notes for next time, not like, oh 342 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: my god, she's this evil, mean woman trying to steal 343 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: grant from all of us. Because the thing is too 344 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: like there are ways to be rude in this environment, 345 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: like if I had a rose and I knew I 346 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: was safe, if I had a one on one that week, 347 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: or there was something that we had already established a 348 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: really strong connection, and then I was just stealing him 349 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: to steal him, Like yes, I could get you being upset, 350 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: but it was like we were. It was day one, 351 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 2: Like we had been playing basketball for hours and I 352 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: had the opportunity to like have some extra time, like 353 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: I don't I need to see Also if I like 354 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: this guy. And the thing is, if any other girl 355 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: had done that, I would not have been angry at them, 356 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: So I would have just been like, cool, next group date, 357 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: I'm allowed to take him away, Like that's what I think, 358 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: and that's the way that my brain works. So it 359 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: was a bit interesting. And then the other problem was 360 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: I didn't know how angry the girls were until we 361 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: got to the cocktail party, so they were like sitting 362 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: there one talking behind my back, but like really hyping 363 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 2: each other up to like be angry at me instead 364 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: of I like trying to talk to me and just 365 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: be like hey, like you did that thing kind of sucks, 366 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: Like maybe we had wanted more time with him, like 367 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: maybe tonight, like just don't do anything crazy. Like I 368 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: would have been like cool, no problem, but they came 369 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: in an attack, and they came as a group, and 370 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not about to be bulldozed into 371 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: trying to lessen myself, Like I didn't do anything wrong, 372 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: so I can accept that going forward, but like, I'm 373 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: not going to apologize for for doing what you would 374 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: have done. 375 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: Who out of the women would you say it was 376 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: like the ringleader and that because we do see and 377 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: I want your thoughts on this. We do see, Alie, 378 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: Joe push you pretty hard during the basketball game. 379 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 3: Which was after you had stolen him, right. 380 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I guess that was my first inkling that something 381 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: was up because like we had come back. I guess 382 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't say honestly, it's awkward, but 383 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: like we're about to play basketball. That's more opportunities, Like 384 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: if y'all want to go do something. Leave the basketball 385 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: game still, like you know what I mean, Like there's 386 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: other ways to make your mark, And so for me too, 387 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm a competitive person, but I'm also like a rule follower, 388 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: Like I don't know if who wins the basketball game 389 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 2: is the only people who gets the cocktail party, So 390 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to give it my all. We played basketball. 391 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: My team was really good and the other team we like, 392 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, there was like a shift where 393 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: they just all got so angry and as you saw, 394 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: I was literally push on the ground and to me, 395 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: I was like that's not basketball, and like, as I'm 396 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: a wrestler, like I'm not going to sit here and 397 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: fight it back, but are we being for real right now? 398 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: And I could take you? 399 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: I won't, but I could, That's what I'm saying. So 400 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: to me at that point, I was like, oh wait, 401 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: you guys are like being way too like aggress about this. 402 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 2: And then there was like inklings that like they were saying, 403 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: like whispering our team was being aggressive, and then it 404 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: was like, oh, Zoe was being aggressive. And it's like 405 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: during the basketball game, once we were up by so much, 406 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: I started telling my team I was like stop, stop 407 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: going full court, like we need to pull back. I 408 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: was the one trying to be like, guys, we need 409 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: to do less because these girls are getting pissed. So 410 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: I was the one like trying to de escalate the situation, 411 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: and I got no credit for that, and so it 412 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: was just a really weird thing. And then yes I 413 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: got pushing the ground. I didn't retaliate, like I was 414 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: just like, this is a very weird vibe at that point. 415 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: And then once we got to the cocktail party, I 416 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: mean I think there was the two that were the loudest, 417 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: and specifically we know the girl who pushed me Ali Joe. 418 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 2: Not only is she screaming at me for for stealing 419 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 2: time with him, which it's not stealing. We're all entitled 420 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: and you could have like you can come ste him 421 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: at any point. And at that point that flipped the 422 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: switch in me, like because no one stood up for me. 423 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to ask you. I 424 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: was going to ask you, was there any women that 425 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: were on that date that were like on your side 426 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: at all? 427 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: Or even like afterwards came up to him, was like, hey, 428 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: things have gone too far, like or you on. 429 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: Your you're on your own island at this point, with 430 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: like no friends yet. 431 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: So I think, like, as I said, because it was 432 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: such a quick turn around, obviously I'm very confident and 433 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: like bold and yeah, so at that point I hadn't 434 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: formed any friendships. I was like the last limo out 435 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: and we're playing. I would have thought my team would 436 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: have protesed me, but then suddenly they're trying to switch 437 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: sides because I think, and again this is my the 438 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: thing with women that I've had throughout over the years 439 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: is just that mentality of like group think of like 440 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: we all have to be on the same page otherwise 441 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: we're going to ostracize and attack you. And I don't 442 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: play that. Like me and my friends were all successful. 443 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: We're all driven, like but in different areas. Do whatever 444 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 2: you want to do, date who you want to date, 445 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: dress how you want to dress. Like, I'm not threatened 446 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: by them, I'm inspired by them. And I feel like 447 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: a lot of times there's groups of women who need 448 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: to like they have their leader and they just like 449 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: go along with whatever they're saying. And at that point, 450 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: the group of nine other women had the leaders telling 451 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 2: them that I deserve to be attacked, and so during 452 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: the evening, not a single person stood up for me, 453 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 2: and by that point, like I'm in tears because what 454 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: is going like what is literally going on right now? 455 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: And that was like kind of just a really crazy 456 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: experience to be in because I have not been in 457 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: anything like that before and I definitely have not been 458 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: like now, As I said, my group and the people, 459 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: whether it be pageants, modeling, tack, all of them are 460 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: just so supportive and just like so it's just so 461 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 2: strange and. 462 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: It's tough because you're like being filmed for the first time. 463 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, and I'm being filmed this entire time, 464 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 2: so you're like, you don't like you're also so hyper 465 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: aware because if I go off and I say one 466 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: thing to them, I'm like, I don't want to stoop 467 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 2: to anyone's level, Like that was my one thing. It's 468 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: I don't do that. And well, thankfully, actually i've grown 469 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: very much the I've gotten old there to be to 470 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: the point where like I'm not going to stoop your level, 471 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: like you're not going to get me out of character, 472 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: I'm not going to cuss you out, I'm not going 473 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 2: to do these things, and I'm not going to gang 474 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: up and attack someone for no reason. 475 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like you said on the show, you said, 476 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 3: I truly believe all is fair in love and war, 477 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: And I feel like that kind of encompasses your approach 478 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: of like you are taking a bold approach, like there's 479 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 3: no question about it, Like you are making moves that 480 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: are naturally going to ruffle feathers, not saying that the 481 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: you know the explosiveness of the situation was justified, but 482 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 3: you know you're going to kind of like pee people 483 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 3: off a little bit. But you do seem to be 484 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 3: accepting of whatever consequences, you know, whatever valid consequences come 485 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 3: with that, And you're like, hey, this is the game 486 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 3: I'm playing, Like you can play it too. We all 487 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 3: have the freedom to move in whatever way we feel 488 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: works best for our relationship with. 489 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: Grant exactly, and as I said it, it's all spirit, 490 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: love and more. And then if we had all talked 491 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: about this, like hey, tonight, we're all going to talk 492 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 2: to him one time and we agree to that and 493 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 2: then I go steal him five times, then then I'm 494 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: doing something wrong. But if we've not said that, like 495 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: we didn't say it, don't take another date, Like it 496 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: is all fair like, and I'm I'm so not going 497 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: to operate in a way that's not authentic to me, 498 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: Like I do bold things throughout my life, Like that 499 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 2: is who I am. It's who I'm always going to be. 500 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: It's not to it's not bold because I need attention, 501 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: and it's not bold because I'm insecure. It's just bold 502 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: because I like to do things a little bit different 503 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: that like, you know, that's just the way I work, 504 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 2: And you're allowed to do whatever you want to do. 505 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: But you know, we'll see. 506 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's pivot to like the positive the positives of 507 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: you stealing him, and take us to that conversation on 508 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: the rooftop of how that went and if it went well. 509 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't see much of what you guys actually 510 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 3: talk about. Yes, what was the interaction, Like, how do 511 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 3: you feel like your gesture was received by Grant? 512 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? And Grant really liked it, like he was appreciative. 513 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: He's like, I see you like I see you trying 514 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 2: to step out. And the other reason I really did 515 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: it too was because I'm a really shy per so 516 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: naturally and it's something that I've worked over time, and 517 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: I feel like in this environment and in these last 518 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: few seasons where we have seen people there very very 519 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: clearly not for the lead, Like I wanted it to 520 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: be known to him that I'm trying to get to 521 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: know you. I don't want to just show up and 522 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: like ghost episode like week to week, like make it through, 523 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: Like I genuinely want to see if we have a connection, 524 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: because I don't want to be taking up any extra 525 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: time if I'm not supposed to be here. And so 526 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: that conversation was important to me, as I said, because 527 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: I only had like two minutes with him on Night 528 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: one to see, like what is our actual vibe? And 529 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: we actually had a like cute little conversation about just 530 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 2: like general things like food and travel and like what 531 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: our type is normally, and like what we're looking for 532 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: on the rooftop. Like he had asked me about some 533 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: about my previous relationships, and I got to tell him, like, 534 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, my last partner was like very much gas lit, 535 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: narcissistic and like made me feel really insecure, and I'm 536 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: not looking for that again. And it was like a 537 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: cute little moment. And so I was grateful that I 538 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: got to do it because my time's valuable, his time's valuable, 539 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: and yeah, it was just it was meant to be that. 540 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't meant to do anything else. 541 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: What when we go to the night portion and then 542 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: we see you and Li Joe kind of go back 543 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: and forth when you are when you both were taking 544 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: your time with Grant. That usually is always a rough 545 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: situation to be in because it usually never works out 546 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: for either party. How was Grant taking it? 547 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: You know, I think Grant it was a nice man. 548 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 2: He I don't think he minded like minded as much 549 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: as like he could have like been like why is 550 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: this already happening on night one? I think he was 551 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: very much just like understood that it was a very 552 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: aggressive day of basketball that was competitive to you know 553 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: now the night portion, and like there was so many 554 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 2: women all competing for the time during the cocktail party, 555 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 2: Like it's how rare is it that ten women are 556 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: all at one cocktail party and we don't know how 557 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: much time any of us have with him, And so 558 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: I think that was really nerve wracking for all of us. 559 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: And I think he was just very like understanding of it. 560 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: I know he saw like her storm out, which is 561 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: the only reason I said anything, because it's not like 562 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: I'm like, was it just trying to bring anything up 563 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: to him, to bring some up to him, Like we 564 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: were in the same room, and she like said something 565 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: nasty and then like stormed off in front of him, 566 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: and like he saw that, Like did she say at 567 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: this point? I forgot? But that's when I was like, 568 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: oh no, like I'm about to walk into that lionstand. 569 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: But the thing wasn't. Again, I had the opportunity to 570 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: steal him from her, or steal him from her quicker, 571 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: and I literally like looked at a watch and was like, no, no, 572 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: like five more minutes. I'll give her five more minutes. 573 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: Like I just wanted to end the night with him 574 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: on a good note because I knew there were so 575 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: many targets on my back and like again, I don't 576 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 2: know how I'm being perceived by him as being too 577 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: aggressive or true dramatic or problematic, and I just really 578 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: wanted to end on like a high note. And that 579 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: was it. I just wanted to say good night and 580 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: like see you hopefully next week, but yeah, just turn 581 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: into this whole thing. And then I think he walked 582 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: into us screaming and crying at each other to hand 583 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: out the group date rose. So he was tryingly, what 584 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: did I get myself into? 585 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: Well, you know it's weak too, He's got a lot 586 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: of time to keep feeling like that. He's the vachelor. 587 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: He got himself into a lot exactly. 588 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: So so you get so you end up getting a rose? Yes, 589 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: where what's your headspace after you receive the rose? Now 590 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: you have it seems like you have a lot of 591 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: enemies in the how but Grant is clearly giving you validation. 592 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: You gotta rose and he seems to be into you. 593 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, like like looking forward, what's going on? 594 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at that point because there was like 595 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: it's so much on you at one time when like 596 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: you do get involved in any drama because as I said, 597 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: like you're not like me personally, and I'm sure like 598 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: some people they love drama, they want to like be 599 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: in these fights. I'm like, I don't want that. Like 600 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: I'm here for love, I'm here for a husband. I 601 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: want Grant to know me and I want to know him, 602 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: but I'm also not here to apologize and to not 603 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: be myself. And so it was just very much like 604 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: I just hope that this drama is over, Like I 605 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: don't understand I didn't understan where the girls were holding 606 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: a grudge. They were still saying little comments during the 607 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: rose ceremony to me about me, Like it was just 608 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: so like stranged. I was like, are we really like 609 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: doing this right now? Like it's we're moving on, We're 610 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: past this week because you know, some people didn't make it, 611 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: and yeah, so I was like, I really just wanted 612 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: to stay out of the drama coming up. I wanted 613 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: to see if granted actually a connection, you know. I 614 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: was really hopeful that he saw that I was trying 615 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: so hard and that hopefully next week I get one 616 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: on one. Like those were like all the things that 617 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: I was hoping for too, since it was such a 618 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: tough time. I was hoping that like I'll have time 619 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: to like for him to see me and not me 620 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: trying to compete with many women. But yeah, I just. 621 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: Moving excited. Yeah, but probably a little bit. 622 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: It's nervous, it is. It was, yeah, just all of it. 623 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: And like as I said, I hadn't been like in 624 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 2: an environment like that since I lived with my parents 625 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: from like years ago. So it was like a very 626 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 2: strange situation to kind of feel like you were back 627 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: in that environment as a grown adult. That was just 628 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: really triggering for me. 629 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, what were your goals and intentions moving into week three? 630 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: Were you feeling like you wanted to continue with the 631 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: strategy that you had been moving with, or were you like, 632 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna pull back. What were your kind 633 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 3: of goals moving forward with how you wanted to navigate everything. 634 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think my approach was like at that point 635 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: I had made in my mind like that's all I wanted. 636 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: I was like, I just want him to see me, 637 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: to hear me, to like hopefully get some sort of 638 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: connection going. And I think we did, and like that 639 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: was it. Like I'm not I don't need a bunch 640 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: of time. I'm not trying to like constantly step on 641 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: toes like and so for week three, I'm like, whatever 642 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: comes my way, if it makes sense to steal him, 643 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 2: if I get the one on one, like hopefully like 644 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: I can utilize that and like tell him more about 645 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 2: myself and like get to know him more. But by 646 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: that point I was just so emotionally drained. Even though 647 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: it was like the first week, the second week that 648 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: I was just like I don't want to do anything 649 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: that is going to put any more targets on the 650 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: back because like, I genuinely don't want that and I 651 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: can't really handle it. 652 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Okay, we're going to play 653 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: a game with you so people get to know you 654 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: a little better before we do. If you were to 655 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: tease next week with one word without spoiling it, what 656 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: would it be? 657 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: Oh? Shark pink? 658 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: Oh nice? 659 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 3: Okay, that's a first surprising. 660 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. 661 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna do rapid fire. Get to know Zoe. 662 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: It's just rapid fire, first thing that comes to your mind. 663 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna ask you some very very easy questions. Okay, 664 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: what is your love language when it comes to receiving love? 665 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: Oh? Quality time? 666 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: What is your go to drink at a bar? 667 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: And Martini or NEGRONI? 668 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: Who is someone that inspires you? 669 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, I know this is controversial, but Kim Kardashian, like, if. 670 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: You were on a deserted island and could only bring 671 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: two girls from your season, Oh, who would you bring? 672 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: Okay? I would have to bring Bailey because she is 673 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: like the funniest person I've ever met, and she can 674 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: recite every single show that you can think of. And 675 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: Dina I love Dina. 676 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: Favorite thing to cook. 677 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: Ooh, I do a good surfing turf. It's a good 678 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 2: date night dish too. 679 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: Gold or silver, jewelry, gold heels or comfy shoes for 680 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: a night out heels? Are you an early bird or 681 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: a night owl? 682 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: Night owl? 683 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: What is your favorite thing about Grant? 684 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: Oh? Good question. Well, I think he is just was 685 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 2: like very had a protective energy, Like whenever we were together, 686 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 2: just kind of felt very protective. 687 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 3: So I like that. And last, but not least, if 688 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 3: you could describe Grant season in one word, what would 689 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 3: it be? 690 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 2: Unpredictable? 691 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. 692 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 3: I feel like the promos are teasing a lot to come, 693 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 3: so we're excited to see how your journey with Grant unfolds. 694 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, Zoe, Yes, thank. 695 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: You guys, and thank you to all our listeners. And 696 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: make sure you stay tuned to Bachelor Happy Hour because 697 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: we will be having exclusive interviews with castmates all season long. 698 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,439 Speaker 3: And more recaps to come. Don't forget to tune into 699 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 3: episode three of Grant season of The Bachelor next week 700 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 3: and be sure to subscribe to Bachelor Happy Hour. Thanks 701 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 3: for listening. 702 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 2: By