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Speaker 1: or Not. Welcome to another edition of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. That comes to
Speaker 1: you from the virtual room build with the heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Greg rosen Fall. It's it's I'm for drafting yet here
Speaker 1: as Trevor Lawrence could clearly attest to that. Here's the
Speaker 1: here's the comment that Trevor Lawrence made an s I
Speaker 1: that led to a firestorm in the sports talk world.
Speaker 1: I want people to know that I'm passionate about what
Speaker 1: I do and it's really important to me. But I
Speaker 1: don't have this huge chip on my shoulder that's everyone's
Speaker 1: out to go get me and I'm trying to prove
Speaker 1: everybody wrong. I just don't have that. I can't manufacture that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. He gets killed for it, and
Speaker 1: Greg has to go on social media and clarify his thoughts.
Speaker 1: That's draft madness in a nutshell, especially this time of year.
Speaker 1: That is one of the dumbest storylines that we've ever
Speaker 1: heard in NFL circles. And that's saying a lot for
Speaker 1: the off season. But I would put this near the
Speaker 1: top our network ESPN like people going back and forth
Speaker 1: about what this all means, and I thought, like I
Speaker 1: was losing my mind watching it. What am I crazy? Like?
Speaker 1: Where where were you guys at with that? That that
Speaker 1: like a person couldn't find motivation in different ways other
Speaker 1: than slights, that there aren't all sorts of ways the
Speaker 1: athletes and people who are great at anything fine motivation
Speaker 1: that ultimately motivation from within might be better than then
Speaker 1: like needing to find it for some outside source. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I could not be more with you. I
Speaker 1: would just say like, I am definitely someone that UM,
Speaker 1: I get motivated by negative things that happened to me, UM,
Speaker 1: negative things that are said to me or about me,
Speaker 1: UM that will fire me up. But do I think
Speaker 1: that that's healthy? No? And do I think that's the
Speaker 1: only way that an athlete could be motivated? No? And
Speaker 1: do I think this is the most ponderous um storyline
Speaker 1: that has been dropped into our laps um all off season? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's it's the Brady effect. Ever since Tom Brady became
Speaker 1: the most famous case in sports history in American sport
Speaker 1: history of finding motivation from slights and becoming the goat. Now,
Speaker 1: that's got to be the path that everyone takes it
Speaker 1: and of course, uh and uh, it's funny because Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence is one of the great prospects that we've had
Speaker 1: come into our league. It really since Peyton Manning. They say,
Speaker 1: but you haven't heard a lot about him because the
Speaker 1: way the draft industrial complex works, there's no there's no
Speaker 1: reason to talk about a guy that you know is
Speaker 1: going number one. But I'll just say this about him,
Speaker 1: and I I've come to peace Uh as a Jets
Speaker 1: fan not getting him. They would have had to go
Speaker 1: Owen sixteen to get him, as it turns out, and
Speaker 1: only two other teams did that in forty years or whatever.
Speaker 1: So that was just that was that was probably not
Speaker 1: in the cards. But when you look at this dude,
Speaker 1: he he strikes. And this is coming from not a
Speaker 1: non college football fans, so I don't I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him the last couple of years as much as other people.
Speaker 1: He looks like the v version of a quarterback prospects
Speaker 1: superstar physically. I mean, if you could go back and
Speaker 1: redo Ah Jerry McGuire and replace Kosh's character Jerry Jerry O'Connell,
Speaker 1: it would be Trevor Lawrence. He looks like he's cut
Speaker 1: out of granite and was destined to be one of
Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks ever. So Jaguars fans who are kind
Speaker 1: of been in the background despite being in the very front, Uh,
Speaker 1: there's every reason to be so excited about this dude,
Speaker 1: because not only is he have this impeccable uh pedigree
Speaker 1: and his success he's had, he just looks the part,
Speaker 1: and I think that matters, and it's part of why
Speaker 1: no one's ever doubted him before. I mean, no one
Speaker 1: has doubted him. And I'm glad you brought up Manning.
Speaker 1: Who had who doubted Peyton Manning? Did you get a
Speaker 1: sense that Peyton Manning became one of the all time
Speaker 1: greats by checking off people on the list who didn't
Speaker 1: think he was gonna make it? Know, everyone thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna make it the whole time, and he did
Speaker 1: because you guys love different football, because he loves and like,
Speaker 1: you don't get to where Trevor Lawrence is without like
Speaker 1: an incredible desire to get there too, or enough desire.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I guess I watched some of
Speaker 1: the coverage and I realized, Look, I'm not motivated by
Speaker 1: flights in general. Like it, but but I understand that
Speaker 1: everyone is different and I and I couldn't get over
Speaker 1: just like the arguments between people that like didn't recognize
Speaker 1: that maybe maybe other people didn't get where they are,
Speaker 1: Like maybe they got to where they are in their
Speaker 1: lives for different reasons than you did. Like there's all
Speaker 1: sorts of ways that people were just wired differently, and
Speaker 1: like he's just being honest about what he knows about himself,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's completely spun out of control. I mean,
Speaker 1: I found the only joyful thing on the draft coverage
Speaker 1: coming out of last week was this Zach Wilson Chipotle
Speaker 1: um Burrito ad. I find him quite delightful, and I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that. I mean, oh, Dan and I were
Speaker 1: texting because I also think, I, you know, is Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson is I? When we are more than twice some
Speaker 1: of these guys age I am at least, and like
Speaker 1: he is the youngest looking quarterback prospect I can remember
Speaker 1: ever in my life. I mean, he to me looks
Speaker 1: fourteen years old. He could pass. He's there's no way
Speaker 1: he's getting into bars the way he looks right now.
Speaker 1: I mean Dan and I aren't twice his age. You
Speaker 1: know that I am but titanically older than you because
Speaker 1: I was born like six and a half years before
Speaker 1: you or something. Here here is Zach Wilson. Just for
Speaker 1: the record, just to have it um for everyone, because
Speaker 1: I am having this burrito. By the way, I've already decided.
Speaker 1: This is a Chipotle right down the street from my
Speaker 1: new house. Um, I am going to of this and
Speaker 1: on Draft night, if things go the way everyone sees it,
Speaker 1: I will be having Zach's go to which is white rice,
Speaker 1: black beans, chicken, tomato, green chili, salsa, and guac. That's
Speaker 1: pretty good. They better call it just like the Zach
Speaker 1: I mean, at least in the New York New Jersey area. Correct, Well,
Speaker 1: that'll be a good that'll be a good test of
Speaker 1: it because if you eat that right when he's picked
Speaker 1: and we wait until after the first round, um, you
Speaker 1: know to take the podcast, we can just see where
Speaker 1: you're at. You know, are you guys like talking about
Speaker 1: this like this is some huge like that's like there's
Speaker 1: only like three Yes, it's also the most basic order ever.
Speaker 1: It's like like I'll have the plane, but basically all
Speaker 1: have the average stuff that you our parade. We enjoyed
Speaker 1: the Chipotle Like, I'm more confused. Yes, I've been there.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Basically, it's a build your own
Speaker 1: burrito establishment and you put in any ingredients you want.
Speaker 1: I mean, but his are just kind of like almost
Speaker 1: like the most basic standard. There's not much flavor to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like hold on basics. Um, there are like there
Speaker 1: are multiple types of tortillas you can pick, and there
Speaker 1: are at least eighteen to twenty different ingredients, and there
Speaker 1: are like thousands of different ways you could build your
Speaker 1: own burritos. So it's not just there's just and in
Speaker 1: white right right, my my. I think the point is
Speaker 1: he chose like the most you know, like there wasn't
Speaker 1: anything special to it. It's probably one of the most
Speaker 1: popular orders. Zach Wilson. So that's good. That's good. I
Speaker 1: feel like you guys are missing something or no one's
Speaker 1: saying he's trend setting here. It's just what he likes,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get that to celebrate him. Like
Speaker 1: maybe your beloved Lamar Jackson, Greg has an order at
Speaker 1: Chipotle that's so off the charts that people bow down
Speaker 1: when he gets in line because it's just so different.
Speaker 1: It's not really what Chipotle is about. Because what they
Speaker 1: are about, though, is giving celebrities, uh and like Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson a card that they can get one free burrito
Speaker 1: every day for the rest of their lives. And so
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good offer. Exactly you can go there.
Speaker 1: That's too much chippole, though, isn't it that you don't
Speaker 1: have to go every day but just anytime you feel
Speaker 1: like According to our buddy Tyson that was on the
Speaker 1: show last week, maybe Zach could use a couple of
Speaker 1: Chipotle burritos to build up a little bit of that frame.
Speaker 1: So I'm not against that either. Remember we had an
Speaker 1: editor in our own news from Max Meyer who um
Speaker 1: would go to Chipotle and get two giant burritos. That
Speaker 1: was this lunch and this this guy weighed about a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds and would always order double. Um
Speaker 1: wherever you went is did you order a chicken? You
Speaker 1: order two full chickens and bring it back to the
Speaker 1: News from and eat it. I was mystified by his
Speaker 1: eating habits, but that we're sometimes a little bit of
Speaker 1: a like ascuinny guy with a big appetite. Trick is
Speaker 1: you order something huge and then people just go, whoa dude,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you had an appetite like that, and
Speaker 1: then you check in about fifteen twenty minutes later and
Speaker 1: like a quarter of the burrito's gone, and that to
Speaker 1: why pounds. I'm not saying Max was somebody that was
Speaker 1: doing that. I don't know if he was housing the
Speaker 1: two burritos, and if he was, he's a miracle of
Speaker 1: modern science. Let's let's just be honest about it. We
Speaker 1: need to investigate further. Skinny guys who over order as
Speaker 1: a move to fake make it seem like they can
Speaker 1: put down a lot of food is on Dan's radar.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't guess that was a thing. Yeah, No, I always.
Speaker 1: I mean I cleaned the plate as you could tell,
Speaker 1: Like if I get a big burrito, I eat the
Speaker 1: big barrito. Well, you go out with me. I'm a
Speaker 1: healthy eater. I don't over order anything, but I'll put
Speaker 1: if if it's good, I always put it down. I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you large meals. So Greg is a
Speaker 1: large meal guy, not a veiled shot there. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: love Max. I hope he's doing well wherever he is.
Speaker 1: Right about that, did he write the article on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could have, I don't think. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk some m v p odds. Greg is
Speaker 1: just like feeling himself right now because the NFL entered
Speaker 1: into an official partnership on multiple levels in the sports
Speaker 1: betting industry. Uh, and we're gonna talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about that in today's show. But while we're in that realm, Yes,
Speaker 1: m v p odds, Vegas is post those and it
Speaker 1: includes quarterbacks of course, but all different position players. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through uh those and uh. First though,
Speaker 1: we will start with some news, including the retirement of
Speaker 1: an all time good guy, forty Niners and two receivers
Speaker 1: wide right, fun tight ends, wide left, Smith and a
Speaker 1: gun with Gord's left him third down, Alex takes the snack, Alex, look,
Speaker 1: he's gotta imposed. It's Gonner to don touch Corny Turdy Davis,
Speaker 1: what the play of his life? Alex Smith, what's the
Speaker 1: play of his life? And the forty Niners part night
Speaker 1: seconds away for play for the NFC Championship. Can't you
Speaker 1: feel Candlestick? See that's why boys, you cut the radio
Speaker 1: call on the flagship show, not the TV call. K
Speaker 1: n b R years ago. To me, if I look
Speaker 1: at the great playoff games in the history of the
Speaker 1: NFL in the twenty one century, that division round matchup,
Speaker 1: I believe was Divisional Round between the Saints and the
Speaker 1: Niners at Candlestick, where Alex Smith went toe to toe
Speaker 1: with Drew Brees. Peake Drew Brees and came out on
Speaker 1: top with that big though. That's my favorite Alex Smith memory.
Speaker 1: The former number one overall pick announced the Instagram that
Speaker 1: he was retiring after sixteen seasons in the NFL. Seven
Speaker 1: the Niners who chose him first, as I said back
Speaker 1: in two thousand five five with the Chiefs and then
Speaker 1: three more with Washington. He's the reigning comeback player of
Speaker 1: the Year. Everyone knows the story of the broken leg,
Speaker 1: and he nearly lost the leg in his life for
Speaker 1: that matter. A couple of years back. Here's a little
Speaker 1: bit of what Smith had to say in his Instagram
Speaker 1: goodbye post. Two years ago. I was stuck in a wheelchair,
Speaker 1: staring down at my mangled leg, wondering if I'd ever
Speaker 1: be able to go on a walk with my wife again,
Speaker 1: or played games with my kids in the yard. Putting
Speaker 1: my helmet back on was the farthest thing from my mind.
Speaker 1: I just kept asking myself all this for a stupid game.
Speaker 1: But then someone did something that changed my recovery completely.
Speaker 1: He put a football back in my hands. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was, but all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: felt stronger, more driven, and what once seemed impossible began
Speaker 1: to come into focus. Mark this guy had one of
Speaker 1: the more interesting NFL careers. Yeah, it's you know, I
Speaker 1: even was thinking about our own our own podcasts that um,
Speaker 1: you know when he was uh, you know, before he
Speaker 1: sort of became this guy that we think of today.
Speaker 1: I think he's largely critiqued because he was just a
Speaker 1: starting quarterback that um, you know, to me felt sort
Speaker 1: of in the Andy Dalton line world of things on
Speaker 1: some level. And um, you know, I was not an
Speaker 1: elite guy and was someone that you know, was replaced
Speaker 1: by Colin Kaepernick and replaced by Patrick Mahomes. But I
Speaker 1: really think when he maximized his play, he was deadly accurate. Um,
Speaker 1: he was smart, he was reliable, and he morphed into
Speaker 1: this person over these years that to me just it's
Speaker 1: it's something about um who he decided to become, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of a study of what's inside a person.
Speaker 1: And I grew to really love Alex Smith because that
Speaker 1: in one little memory, UM, I was, you know, in
Speaker 1: the media room, UM, when before Baltimore and San Francisco
Speaker 1: had that Super Bowl and you know, everyone's million around
Speaker 1: and there's various tables of players, and Alex Smith came
Speaker 1: in UM with his wife, I believe, and you know,
Speaker 1: he was just in street clothes and he wasn't gonna play,
Speaker 1: you know, and everyone wanted to ask him about, you know,
Speaker 1: being replaced by Colin Kaepernick. He could not have been.
Speaker 1: UM a kinder warmer, UM, more honest and engaging person
Speaker 1: when you know other quarterbacks, other players might run away
Speaker 1: from that and not want to deal with that. UM.
Speaker 1: That's when I was up close to him, and I
Speaker 1: just saw the person and you can feel the energy
Speaker 1: coming off someone. And I understand why he was someone
Speaker 1: who became totally beloved by the end of his career
Speaker 1: with the players that he played with, the coaches and
Speaker 1: the people that covered him. There's so much, you know,
Speaker 1: rightful appreciation of what he did in Washington. But I
Speaker 1: think if you go back to the beginning of his career,
Speaker 1: you see that he was defined by that sort of
Speaker 1: toughness because his rookie season wasn't just bad, is one
Speaker 1: of the worst rookie seasons any quarterback has ever had
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL, and he was a
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. There was one of if you
Speaker 1: look back at like d V O A, you know,
Speaker 1: like the worst offenses of the last twenty years there
Speaker 1: it is the two thousand five and I remember covering
Speaker 1: at the time, like what a fiasco that was. Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan was his coach, and people had sort of given
Speaker 1: up announ Smith. The next year they get North Turner
Speaker 1: as his offensive coordinator. He's okay, he comes back and
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, maybe this guy's gonna have a career
Speaker 1: when people had already given up on him. But later on,
Speaker 1: like he was benched for David Carr and Troy Smith.
Speaker 1: They chanted David Carr's name during Monday night football while
Speaker 1: Alex Smith was playing. This is four years into his
Speaker 1: career at the time when we've already given up of
Speaker 1: most guys, and the fact that he ends up being
Speaker 1: so good in San Francisco to have a moment like
Speaker 1: you just mentioned Dan in that awesome Divisional round game,
Speaker 1: and then he goes to Kansas City, where they weren't
Speaker 1: excited about him. He went fit. You know, the team
Speaker 1: went fifty and twenty six while he was there, and
Speaker 1: I know it's like, okay, it's not a quarterback stat
Speaker 1: that's true. Well he you know, touchdowns and interceptions are
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks that he threw a hundred and two touchdowns
Speaker 1: with thirty three interceptions while he was in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: So like to have the sort of career that he
Speaker 1: had after the start that he had, which wasn't like
Speaker 1: a bad year that I mentioned. It was a very
Speaker 1: rocky five years as a number one over I'll pick
Speaker 1: with all the criticism in the world. And then to
Speaker 1: carve out what he did, you sort of saw the
Speaker 1: man and the quarterback that he was um before he
Speaker 1: got to Washington and ended up kind of showing the
Speaker 1: whole world like what a kind of what character he
Speaker 1: had because he was a badass and he he maxed out.
Speaker 1: That's all you can ask. Seventeen surgeries on that leg
Speaker 1: after that Grizzly break, and there was a ESPN special
Speaker 1: on it. The detailed that he not only nearly lost
Speaker 1: a leg, he could have died it was. It was
Speaker 1: that touch and go. So the fact that he came
Speaker 1: back UH and played last season and started for a
Speaker 1: Washington team that eventually made the playoffs is is amazing.
Speaker 1: I think it's also interesting UM that he was considered
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville as a backup to most likely Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 1: and that Jacksonville's medical team came back spooked by what
Speaker 1: they saw, and it makes you think about what he
Speaker 1: played through last season and how much danger he probably
Speaker 1: was in UH, and it just makes it all that
Speaker 1: more courageous and crazy that he he did come back
Speaker 1: to play after what happened. I just think he had
Speaker 1: one of the most UM interesting roller coaster careers UM
Speaker 1: from where he was number one pick, the guy that
Speaker 1: got picked way before Aaron Rodgers, and he had to
Speaker 1: live with that and then to go on the rise
Speaker 1: and have those big playoff moments. You remember the game
Speaker 1: against Andrew Luck, that shootout that he was on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of UM in two thousand and fourteen. I
Speaker 1: want to say, UM two thousand thirteen season, UH, just
Speaker 1: a crazy career. And Mark I was there too. That
Speaker 1: was the first Super Bowl UM where we were kind
Speaker 1: of covering the team's day to day and he was
Speaker 1: such a class act. That was so hard to sit
Speaker 1: there and the only questions you're getting was, hey, you
Speaker 1: were one of the top rated pastors in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You got a concussion, and Colin Kaepernick takes your job.
Speaker 1: That must suck. And he just sat there and was
Speaker 1: a soldier that entire Super Bowl week, which is not
Speaker 1: easy to do. Because they got the Blindside Guy, the
Speaker 1: offensive lineman that same year. Everyone asked him about The
Speaker 1: blind the movie, and Michael or just lost it. He
Speaker 1: couldn't take it by the end of the week. And
Speaker 1: that was a positive story about it, right right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a truly memorable guy. And um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's sometimes when it's the same narrative last year
Speaker 1: over it's like come back player of the Year, come
Speaker 1: back player, that you can kind of just start to
Speaker 1: become numb to it. Um. But it's like the more
Speaker 1: you kind of meditate on what he went through. I
Speaker 1: haven't had seventeen surgeries or even two or one. I
Speaker 1: don't even I couldn't even comprehend what he went through
Speaker 1: as an athlete. And I think that's why other athletes
Speaker 1: that have been through that hell, because I think rehab
Speaker 1: in that stuff is a lonely world, and you look
Speaker 1: at what he went through. Um, they just have ultra
Speaker 1: respect for him to get back on the field. But
Speaker 1: I would say it was kind of hard watching him
Speaker 1: last year because you were worried for him, And I
Speaker 1: wonder if that factored into Jacksonville's medical team saying this
Speaker 1: is just a little bit of a dangerous proposition. Well,
Speaker 1: he also was replaced by two of the biggest sports
Speaker 1: NFL figures of the last twenty years. The fact that
Speaker 1: he was replaced by Kaepernick and probably always had it
Speaker 1: in his head, could have I won the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Could have I had led up this team to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I was playing. You know, Smith was playing
Speaker 1: awesome that year and they were winning with Smith. And
Speaker 1: to be replaced by Kaepernick, to be replaced by Mahomes,
Speaker 1: who becomes the face of the league. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: like that dumb argument about the Hall of Fame that
Speaker 1: you can't tell the story of the sport without this guy,
Speaker 1: so he should make the Hall of Fame. Now that's
Speaker 1: because you can't tell it without Alex Smith. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he's Hall of Famer, but like he has sort of
Speaker 1: had a cross section with some of the most fascinating
Speaker 1: figures in addition to his own career in other news,
Speaker 1: O t a S voluntary, they say, but are they
Speaker 1: It's it's a bit of a tricky gray area in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and this year, with COVID nineteen still very
Speaker 1: much uh part of our world. Um, there are many
Speaker 1: teams and many many players who are not going to
Speaker 1: be involved in person with O t a S. On Wednesday,
Speaker 1: the league issued memo a memo to all thirty two
Speaker 1: teams announcing that the first four weeks of the voluntary
Speaker 1: program will be virtual before transitioning too in person work
Speaker 1: at the team's respective training facilities. All of this last
Speaker 1: year was done virtually in training camp got pushed back
Speaker 1: because of COVID UM, and more than half of the
Speaker 1: league's thirty two teams have announced via the player union
Speaker 1: that they won't participate in voluntary offseason workouts. Greg, what
Speaker 1: does it? What does it mean to you? What's happening here?
Speaker 1: It's worth watching you? Kind of the fact that the
Speaker 1: NFL announced that there it's all virtual until May teens. Anyways,
Speaker 1: that's sort of the push point where we find out
Speaker 1: more because I think there's some thought that that players
Speaker 1: who have certain workout bonuses that they want to get
Speaker 1: they might up. Some of the younger players they might
Speaker 1: show up. There's teams like the Panthers who haven't put
Speaker 1: out a statement and they actually have already started their
Speaker 1: off season program. Most of it's virtual, but there are
Speaker 1: guys going into the facility and lifting weights. It's interesting
Speaker 1: because what it seems to be is the players are
Speaker 1: pushing for a more permanent, UM virtual off season. This
Speaker 1: isn't all about COVID and we'll see where that goes. That.
Speaker 1: That was my takeaway too, that I do. I think
Speaker 1: it's about UM overarching fears about catching COVID. Now they
Speaker 1: like this. The Steelers put out a letter that basically
Speaker 1: said the protections that were in place last year are
Speaker 1: not fully in place now and remain unclear. So I
Speaker 1: think they want more clarity about what's happening. But I
Speaker 1: look at J. C. Trader's letter and I'll read this
Speaker 1: real quick. He said that many of the changes this
Speaker 1: past year, like no in person offseason workouts and practices,
Speaker 1: the extended acclamation period before training camp, and no preseason games,
Speaker 1: gave us a year of data the demonstrate it's maintaining
Speaker 1: some of these changes long term is in the best
Speaker 1: interest of the game. I think that we have a
Speaker 1: very strong players union under Treader right now and they
Speaker 1: are trying to minimize um and take away lessons from
Speaker 1: last year and right now it's just sort of like
Speaker 1: you can put it on on Corona or COVID. But
Speaker 1: I think it has to do war with the culture
Speaker 1: of the off season to some degree. And I'm um
Speaker 1: also with you, Greg. We'll see how this how strong
Speaker 1: the union and the players are come may because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of money on the line. A lot of
Speaker 1: these a lot of players have contracts where it's built
Speaker 1: into their bonuses to be at these voluntary o t A.
Speaker 1: So if you really want to take a stand, uh,
Speaker 1: and across the spectrum, some guys are gonna get hit
Speaker 1: hard in the pocket and others are not gonna be
Speaker 1: at all. And that's that's a bit of a schism.
Speaker 1: I think that could lead to some testiness um within
Speaker 1: the union as well. So interesting situation. We will track
Speaker 1: it here on the Around the NFL podcast. What's the
Speaker 1: latest with the Shawn Watson Uh, let's see attorney Rusty
Speaker 1: Harden has filed an answer to the twenty two lawsuits
Speaker 1: filed against Watson, and according to Watson's legal team, they
Speaker 1: have quote already uncovered evidence that numerous allegations in this
Speaker 1: onslaught of cases are simply not true or accurate. From
Speaker 1: March sixteenth to April fourteen, twenty three lawsuits were filed
Speaker 1: against Watson. One has been dropped for now, so it
Speaker 1: stands at twenty two and very aggressive Greg the Watson
Speaker 1: camp on this, calling it a cash grab by people
Speaker 1: involved UH with the allegations. So if there was a
Speaker 1: thought that Watson is going to quietly try to settle
Speaker 1: this or or go a different route, it seems like
Speaker 1: his team is going all out trying to get UH
Speaker 1: the quarterback cleared. Yeah, it's it's tricky to talk about
Speaker 1: this without trying to discuss the merits of each side,
Speaker 1: which we're not really in a position to do. But
Speaker 1: I did have takeaways and one of them was that
Speaker 1: the and that this is gonna last, that he's fighting it,
Speaker 1: that several cases usually don't go to the court, but
Speaker 1: this he seems like he's fighting it as hard as
Speaker 1: he can, and so that this could be a long process.
Speaker 1: And and it and it could go to court. And
Speaker 1: then the other part is is more just about the
Speaker 1: media's coverage of it. I just I am a little
Speaker 1: wary of making sure that both sides, for instance, are
Speaker 1: represented well because I think it it's tricky. This is
Speaker 1: something everyone is uncomfortable talking about. The higher you go up,
Speaker 1: I think people aren't comfortable talking about it. But I
Speaker 1: just hope everyone is using that same energy that they're
Speaker 1: using passing Watson's agent side of things and their lawyer
Speaker 1: side of things to the twenty three documents that were
Speaker 1: filed into court, because sometimes it doesn't feel like that
Speaker 1: says even and there's a lot there. Um, if you
Speaker 1: want to have experts on or however the media is
Speaker 1: gonna handle it, make sure you're covering, um, that side
Speaker 1: of it too, because Watson is coming with a lot
Speaker 1: of money, a lot of power, and I think you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's complicated and it's tricky how that plays into
Speaker 1: how the whole media and NFL structure is set up.
Speaker 1: I think that's really well said. Um. I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: more and I wouldn't add too much other than the
Speaker 1: fact that I would just go back and read that. Um.
Speaker 1: SI article by Jenny Brentis that to me, um, that
Speaker 1: that cut through some stuff for me? And you know, yes,
Speaker 1: maybe in this um wide array of lawsuits, are are
Speaker 1: a couple of them, Um something they can go try
Speaker 1: to pick apart shore. But does that mean that that
Speaker 1: you can you throw the baby out with the bath water.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot happening here, and it just
Speaker 1: from a football angle, um Like even last week, I
Speaker 1: believe it was said by Ian or someone that there
Speaker 1: may still be some interest out there in trading for
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. I don't want to put that on him,
Speaker 1: but I did hear that, and it's like from who
Speaker 1: and how like from a football pure early football angle,
Speaker 1: I think that all has to be shut down because
Speaker 1: suddenly like a new team would be taking on all this. No,
Speaker 1: like this, this is like we're not right down. And
Speaker 1: speaking of Shaun Watson's current team, general manager Nicos sario
Speaker 1: Um did not address Watson's trade availability or anything going
Speaker 1: on with his legal accusations. In a recent meeting with reporters,
Speaker 1: he had this quote, if you want to speculate, you
Speaker 1: should probably go by bitcoin. Focus on that, all right,
Speaker 1: bro okay, all right, all right. Uh. In other news,
Speaker 1: a couple of transactions here. Um, we talked about Jadeveon
Speaker 1: Clowney going to the Browns. Uh. They and a corresponding move,
Speaker 1: or certainly seems like one. The Browns released defensive tackle
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richardson, who was due twelve million this year. Um.
Speaker 1: So the addition of Clowney, say, actually costs you Mark Richardson,
Speaker 1: You're you okay with that trade off? I think it's
Speaker 1: definitely like a loss. Um. He played well for them
Speaker 1: last year. There were there was speculation that that would
Speaker 1: be kind of like the other level Leverpool there. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Clowney can It's not just someone
Speaker 1: who plays on the outside. You can plaim on the
Speaker 1: inside a little bit. They have Malik Jackson. Um, They've
Speaker 1: got a guy Andrew Billings who you know is developmental. Um.
Speaker 1: But this was unpopular. This is one of the few
Speaker 1: things that um, from what I you know, heard little
Speaker 1: whispers that that Andrew Barry has been very popular with players,
Speaker 1: But this was an unpopular move in the locker room
Speaker 1: that Sheldon Richardson was um pretty beloved. So I would
Speaker 1: say this, you know, from a needs standpoint, that becomes
Speaker 1: another need in the draft that there are a little
Speaker 1: thin there. Very surprising. He was really good for the former.
Speaker 1: In other news, James Conner is remember the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: This is a little bit ancient now but we haven't
Speaker 1: had a chance to discuss it, but former Steelers starting
Speaker 1: running back signs of one year, one point seven million
Speaker 1: dollar five dollar contract with Arizona where he will I
Speaker 1: guess split backfield duties with Chase Edmonds. Your thoughts, boys,
Speaker 1: I just liked, um, you know you're getting on them.
Speaker 1: I guess that we were off their last week, just
Speaker 1: Cardinals having that whole you know, setting up the team.
Speaker 1: Your dad likes like they've sent the off season for casual,
Speaker 1: as you called, it's the season for your like your casual,
Speaker 1: you know, buddy who somewhat follows football. And then you
Speaker 1: look at their off season and like, who have they added?
Speaker 1: James Conner? That guy was a big story with the Steelers.
Speaker 1: And then you got J. J. Watt. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: A J. Green What a team? Says the basic who
Speaker 1: barely follows the league. I hope Steve kan doesn't fall
Speaker 1: in that category, or it's gonna be a long season.
Speaker 1: And I think your take is totally accurate, though. It's
Speaker 1: like you built an all star team from half a
Speaker 1: decade ago. It's funny. I like I like the wat sign.
Speaker 1: I still do his His contract looks better for what
Speaker 1: the further we got out from it because at the
Speaker 1: time you weren't sure what the market was gonna be,
Speaker 1: and he really got top of the market. I'm the
Speaker 1: man money compared to what other pass rushers got. And
Speaker 1: finally in the news, the Bengals have new uniforms. Let's
Speaker 1: hear it. Let's hear a little SoundBite from the video
Speaker 1: they put out Burrows. There he's wearing the white uniform.
Speaker 1: He looks healthy. I don't see a limp in that video,
Speaker 1: so good luck to him on his continued knee recovery. Uh.
Speaker 1: What do you think about these univers They seem whatever
Speaker 1: to me that the Bengals uniforms have always been unique.
Speaker 1: I liked them when I was eight and they went
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl woomor sizing. But now I found
Speaker 1: them to be a little bit cheesy, but also different
Speaker 1: and different is good. What do you think, Mark Um?
Speaker 1: You know, so these all these new like rollouts, they
Speaker 1: have all these different combinations. Uh, and I don't like.
Speaker 1: I'm looking, you know, down here at the various ones.
Speaker 1: One of them stands out to me as beautiful, and
Speaker 1: it's the Borough white on white. I think it's an
Speaker 1: honestly awesome look. And I think they did that as
Speaker 1: um like a sort of from the Wilderness version last year,
Speaker 1: and it looked really clean. I just I want uniforms
Speaker 1: in general to be less noisy, um, less chaotic. But
Speaker 1: I do find it um, you know, and listen, Obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm a Browns fan. The Bengals are not a team
Speaker 1: I've warmed up to in general. I they were pulled
Speaker 1: essentially the same way the Ravens came from Cleveland. The
Speaker 1: Bengals essentially came from the Browns because Paul Brown is
Speaker 1: you know, exercised out of Cleveland and goes and starts
Speaker 1: his own essentially revenge team. And they've been a frisky,
Speaker 1: um you know, here and there, but not but they've
Speaker 1: been in darkness as well. But to have Paul Brown's
Speaker 1: name on inside the neck um thing. To me. I
Speaker 1: just find that um as a signature comment that you
Speaker 1: are just essentially struggling to be your own thing. But
Speaker 1: that's that's my own personal issue. Um, I'm with you, Dan,
Speaker 1: I find I've always found their helmets to be a
Speaker 1: little a little bit cheesy. Then kind of here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You could have gone to Cincinnati and started a new
Speaker 1: team with a completely different color scheme. Instead, you basically
Speaker 1: go and make uniforms that look a sort of like
Speaker 1: a lower rent version of the Browns current classic uniforms.
Speaker 1: And I struggle with that. Um, the Browns have one
Speaker 1: eleven and five season, and look at this guy in
Speaker 1: Mount Pious talking down to Cincinnati. He it is like
Speaker 1: really important for you that, like, the Browns are this
Speaker 1: great franchise. At least we're not the Bengals. Like, that's
Speaker 1: kind of your your m O right now. It feels
Speaker 1: like it's been my m O for the entire century,
Speaker 1: I would say. But it's not just because the Browns
Speaker 1: won eleven and five. I mean there are a lot
Speaker 1: of similar parallels between these two franchises. And you're basically
Speaker 1: Sam what you're you're Samwite when he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: when he went after Cleveland. It's like really important to
Speaker 1: each of those teams at least were not the other team.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you're Paul Brown. You could say, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you kicked me out there, I had to go start
Speaker 1: another I would say like spinoffs in general are lackluster,
Speaker 1: and so if you're going to create a spinoff, you know,
Speaker 1: come with some original fire. And they, to me, have
Speaker 1: struggled to I struggled to identify the original fire. It's
Speaker 1: it's funny because I probably throw a brick in my
Speaker 1: head if you were here, So you know, I get
Speaker 1: the yes, he would he would not be happy with
Speaker 1: this analysis. But I get the Ravens thing obviously with
Speaker 1: you Mark the Steelers thing, totally understand and got why
Speaker 1: that was such an important moment for you as a
Speaker 1: fan in January and they got the big playoff win,
Speaker 1: picking down Cincinnati, picking on Cincinnati. I just that's the
Speaker 1: only I can't get on board with this. It just
Speaker 1: it doesn't It's like me like like a Bills fan
Speaker 1: trashing a Jets fan or something. It's just like kind
Speaker 1: of has beens or have nots. I should say, um,
Speaker 1: just kind of leave each other alone and and focus
Speaker 1: on the real bullies. I don't know, Well, they're the
Speaker 1: same state. You know there there is there is you'd
Speaker 1: hope for that to be a legitimate rivalry. And what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is hear them up to make
Speaker 1: this it's a Paul Brown thing. Now I realize it,
Speaker 1: because ultimately the Browns try to pretend like they're the
Speaker 1: old Browns, but they're kind of an expansion team from
Speaker 1: and Paul Brown, being the godfather of football is almost
Speaker 1: so it's like all they have, but now you know
Speaker 1: they are Paul Brown in the back of the Bengals.
Speaker 1: It's like, what are they going to put on the
Speaker 1: back of the new Browns, like Kelly Holcomb or something
Speaker 1: like what it's psychological warfare and I identify it as such.
Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into the m v P talk. But before
Speaker 1: we do, I think we have a special guest joining
Speaker 1: us here who has some business that he wants to
Speaker 1: deal with here. He is Matty. I was hoping it
Speaker 1: was Henry to talk about the Chilean two lane basketball player.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's not how you intro a guest. You
Speaker 1: were hoping that it was a different guest, you know what.
Speaker 1: The look of curiosity then followed by impending dread is
Speaker 1: all the introduction I need on the face of Greg
Speaker 1: rosen Hall and that Money Smith there he is and
Speaker 1: the reason Matt's here. And I'm gonna tee you up
Speaker 1: this way, Matt, and then I'm gonna let you, um
Speaker 1: just do what you gotta do. Um. Matt obviously man
Speaker 1: deeply connected to the music world and one of his
Speaker 1: many successful careers. Uh. Something Greg Rosenthal said on last
Speaker 1: week's podcast really stuck in Money's cross, Ricky, can you
Speaker 1: call that up? You know, not forgetting, but also some
Speaker 1: like cover cover songs of like kiss and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: ugly kid Joe and you're an A plus deflector. But
Speaker 1: Dan and I are not off the case. Yes, So
Speaker 1: I love the Around the NFL podcast. I listened to
Speaker 1: it regularly. Um, and uh, it's always great, great entertainment, informative.
Speaker 1: It kind of gives you a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: little personality. Uh, we get some some real life experiences.
Speaker 1: And in this case it was Greg and his brother
Speaker 1: Dean who was being celebrated, and I believe you were.
Speaker 1: You were kind of singing the praises of your brothers, saying, look,
Speaker 1: this is someone who went to college to play music.
Speaker 1: This isn't just some dude that grabbed an acoustic guitar,
Speaker 1: rolled down to the quad and tried to get a
Speaker 1: couple of the alpha fees to go home with him.
Speaker 1: You know, this is someone who was trained to be
Speaker 1: a professional musician and and then unfortunately you stick him
Speaker 1: with You got him with Kiss, which is fine. Look
Speaker 1: one of the all time great rock bands, uh, nine
Speaker 1: seventies Destroyers Strutter, two of the great rock records. Uh.
Speaker 1: You then bring in Guns and Roses for some mid
Speaker 1: eighties to early nineties fair uh you know obviously appetype
Speaker 1: for Destruction one of the all time rock records. And
Speaker 1: then somehow in between those two is a band out
Speaker 1: of Palo Alto, California called Ugly Kid Joe. And and
Speaker 1: I just sent the text as I was listening to
Speaker 1: it immediately in the moment, like someone's got to be
Speaker 1: there to call Greg out when these things cut like that,
Speaker 1: that band has no business being stuck to your brother,
Speaker 1: Dean as a professionally trained musician, Like, hey, you know
Speaker 1: you play stuff like Kiss and guns and Roses an
Speaker 1: Ugly Kid Joe that that is one that you would
Speaker 1: leave off of the resume. You would replace it with
Speaker 1: a C D C or or something along those lines, Greg,
Speaker 1: I'm just giving a slice of life of what was
Speaker 1: being played in bars by sixteen year olds in nine
Speaker 1: or nine. And yeah, you got your your kiss and
Speaker 1: your guns and roses, but you also got I Hate
Speaker 1: Everything about You. The number one single. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was number one, but it probably was. But
Speaker 1: a kid, it was a big hit. So you play
Speaker 1: what the they played, what the people want. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's still It has nothing to do with him as
Speaker 1: a musician. It's just saying facts. He's still a musician.
Speaker 1: He's a classical music composer right now. He's a professional.
Speaker 1: And I bet he would stand by ugly Kid Joe. Well,
Speaker 1: it was a hit. So this is what's funny about this,
Speaker 1: right is as Greg and I and and Mark and
Speaker 1: Dan you were on the text thread, something came up
Speaker 1: um as to Greg explaining why he said ugly kid Joe,
Speaker 1: and I think it really speaks to the personality of
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. Right, So here's his brother, accomplished, classically trained musician.
Speaker 1: He could have picked any group or any songs, but
Speaker 1: he said, well, and it speaks to his narcissism and
Speaker 1: his ego because he said, well, you know, one time
Speaker 1: during rehearsal. Yeah, I got the signal to kid Joe.
Speaker 1: So far be it from Greg to remember any of
Speaker 1: the staples or any of the great accomplishments, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a particular solo or a Pink Floyd epic that
Speaker 1: that would stick with him. Instead, it was the time
Speaker 1: I got to have a piece of Dean Rosehalls his
Speaker 1: themed musical career. Is what I remember as I choose
Speaker 1: to celebrate my brother. What I'm supposed to go crazy
Speaker 1: about the Steve Stevie Vy like eleven minutes solo down
Speaker 1: there and before me, No, I was eleven years old
Speaker 1: at the time. I'm gonna remember the time that the
Speaker 1: singer wasn't there and you're like, hey, Greg, can you
Speaker 1: play this song with a six times? That's what's gonna
Speaker 1: imprint in my mind because it is a fun song
Speaker 1: to just kind of yell out. If you want to
Speaker 1: just do it in your card today, you'll have a
Speaker 1: good time. Money. But I hope we haven't lost you
Speaker 1: as a listener due to Greg's misstep. No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. I just I felt, Look, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder, you know one hit Wonder
Speaker 1: has happened. And as I said to you on the
Speaker 1: text thread, look because you tried to come back with
Speaker 1: at least I didn't mention extreme, and I said extreme
Speaker 1: going on, Mr Big, that was another one Big, And
Speaker 1: I said, sometimes you gotta fill the tip jar, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you check your dignity at the door, and you
Speaker 1: got to fill the tip jar. And that's what life
Speaker 1: is like as a is a cover band that rolls
Speaker 1: from bar to bar, and your daughter is a singer
Speaker 1: and performer. I've noticed star you do you rigidly, um
Speaker 1: like go over her playlist and say yes or no
Speaker 1: to various songs. This is the sad thing about that
Speaker 1: question mark, And thanks for asking. I appreciate it. I do.
Speaker 1: And I explained to her that as a former music
Speaker 1: director that used to program a station and would slot
Speaker 1: every single song and every single place throughout the course
Speaker 1: of a twenty four hour day. So this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, Big, all right, So I see you're
Speaker 1: gonna kind of open with with some Michael Jackson. I
Speaker 1: want you back and then uh and then or give
Speaker 1: me more chance, I said, And then we're gonna come
Speaker 1: with like a nice vibe with I'm yours. But then
Speaker 1: I gotta come with some rock, so there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some older people there, all right, So let's let's bring
Speaker 1: in the CCR right here, and then if you want,
Speaker 1: we can back it up with one of your pop
Speaker 1: songs that you want to play. But then I want
Speaker 1: you to right back the rock, all right. She must
Speaker 1: find you so annoying, right, speaking of Michael Jackson, you're
Speaker 1: the Joe Jackson here. It's like, leave me alone, dad
Speaker 1: after a while, little, well, let me let me right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're absolutely. He's driving her there too, so
Speaker 1: you know, but I do think some of those you know,
Speaker 1: as you see the look just like you guys, I
Speaker 1: put my pants on one leg at a time, but
Speaker 1: when I do big gold and platinum records, so I
Speaker 1: have and she did, Uh she did walk out of
Speaker 1: that joint. Well I probably shouldn't say because maybe the
Speaker 1: I R s will come after, but she did walk
Speaker 1: out of that point with two thirty six bucks in
Speaker 1: her pocket. So I like the thing awesome, the playlist
Speaker 1: maybe had a little listen and my uh, my complaints
Speaker 1: and my issues and my gripes notwithstanding, I do not
Speaker 1: want to derail the around the NFL podcast now and
Speaker 1: I just further NFL and away since you yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's fun. Since you brought up extreme, it does.
Speaker 1: I love that whole era of music, the hair metal,
Speaker 1: because they were also conflicted. They wanted to be like
Speaker 1: badass rock stars, but then they got into this formula's money.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. It was a little before your time,
Speaker 1: I think in the in that, but like it was
Speaker 1: like you had to have a ballot on there. So
Speaker 1: then Extreme would put on More than Words and it
Speaker 1: would be a huge top ten hit that everyone knows.
Speaker 1: And then they would panic and be like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: gotta name our album something rock. So they called it
Speaker 1: Extreme to colon porno graffiti. More than Words is on
Speaker 1: an album called Screen two Porno Graffiti indeed, And it's
Speaker 1: all about the presentation. Um, all right, let's get to it. Money.
Speaker 1: Would you mind sitting in for the rest of the show.
Speaker 1: What the hell it all? I mean, as long as
Speaker 1: Greg's okay with it? Oh see, there it is. That's
Speaker 1: just that that is so perfectly just the stinging. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: I thought you were just talking about you know. That
Speaker 1: is how Gregor earned his reputation with just a very
Speaker 1: subtle wow. Whenever you want to come on the show
Speaker 1: and in your mind put Greg in his place, you know,
Speaker 1: the doors always open, might open. Yeah, these these guys
Speaker 1: are too they're too afraid to do it. I guess
Speaker 1: I certainly not too afraid. But it's like when you
Speaker 1: do this with Greg, he's never going to give an
Speaker 1: inch or or say your side of it makes some sense,
Speaker 1: and it just becomes a total derailment of the show.
Speaker 1: But in this case, I thought, with you involved, it
Speaker 1: would be fun. Yeah. Well, hey, he still stood his ground.
Speaker 1: He then played the I was eleven years old and
Speaker 1: playing with my mother, how dare you? Instead of just
Speaker 1: saying you know what, you're right, I should probably celebrate
Speaker 1: Dean and mentioned that he played Queen and he played
Speaker 1: some of the other great staples back then instead of
Speaker 1: ugly kid Joe, which is just a scourge. Nobody won't see,
Speaker 1: you see even into the face and the facial expressions
Speaker 1: for those that are watching. All right, let's get into it. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: So as you have no doubt heard money as the
Speaker 1: voice of the Chargers, you are plugged into NFL matters.
Speaker 1: There's a huge new partnership with the NFL. Gregg, speaking
Speaker 1: of as we get back to the NFL or getting
Speaker 1: closer to the NFL, You're on fire about this new
Speaker 1: UH NFL official UH partnership with various betting companies, and
Speaker 1: you you were so fired up about it that you
Speaker 1: made us kind of reconfigure the A block of our
Speaker 1: TV show last Friday just to talk about it. And
Speaker 1: Mark and I were kind of shrugging our shoulders like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this doesn't mean much to think the
Speaker 1: producers didn't care. We Hey, we gotta get four minutes
Speaker 1: in on Alden Smith getting four snaps with the Seahawks. Um. No,
Speaker 1: let's have about talk about the NFL completely changing course
Speaker 1: from what they've done for the last fifty plus years.
Speaker 1: It's obviously been heading in this direction, but I did
Speaker 1: think the announcement it was with Caesar Sports Book and
Speaker 1: then DraftKings and Fan Duel, UH, you know about being
Speaker 1: the official partners was pretty seismic when you think about
Speaker 1: where the NFL was even when we started working at it,
Speaker 1: Dan and marketing money, like how totally off off the
Speaker 1: radar you couldn't talk about it was. It was the
Speaker 1: third rail, and now here they are making business deals
Speaker 1: with partnerships, and I do think it's going to change
Speaker 1: the coverage on television and our network. And that's why
Speaker 1: I thought it was worth talking about two is that
Speaker 1: I do think moving forward, it's going to be a
Speaker 1: bigger part of the game and people are just gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with I would say I feel um,
Speaker 1: not by you, Greg per Se, but just um in
Speaker 1: general as I see thet the avalanche of enthusiasm that
Speaker 1: will be attached to this kind of like forced to
Speaker 1: be excited about, like the gambling vaguus side of things,
Speaker 1: and like I'm not like someone that like pours over
Speaker 1: um spreads and things. But like, what will I learn that.
Speaker 1: I'll learn that you gotta be careful, right, They gotta
Speaker 1: be careful not to turn off the people who don't care.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a fine line. But you do think,
Speaker 1: like I think quickly. Like Paul Horne suspended for the
Speaker 1: year in the nineteen sixty three he was Tim Tebow.
Speaker 1: If Tim Tebow was a Hall of Fame player, that's
Speaker 1: how big of a superstar he was, and they suspended
Speaker 1: him for the year for betting on sports. They suspended
Speaker 1: Alex Carris, you know future Mr Papadopoulos on Webster. I
Speaker 1: think it was for a year and like ever since then,
Speaker 1: it's like the you know, they've been trying to stay
Speaker 1: as far away from sports betting. That's the worst thing
Speaker 1: in the world. And now it's like now that it's
Speaker 1: starting to be legal and all the states, um which
Speaker 1: our international listeners might not know, it's like slowly becoming
Speaker 1: legal and all these different states. Now the NFL is
Speaker 1: getting all about it because they're about that co op there.
Speaker 1: They see it's a way to make some money. Well,
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, I you know, when you
Speaker 1: mentioned Paul Horney and Alex Carris, I think it's always
Speaker 1: you know, important to remember the amount of money those
Speaker 1: guys were making to play football at the time, right,
Speaker 1: and that's what the great here was, so you've would
Speaker 1: make more money, you know, through the world of sports gambling.
Speaker 1: And conversely, they're great fear being on the take. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, playing football was not going to set you
Speaker 1: up to you know, it's not going to give you
Speaker 1: a pension. You're not gonna be able to live off
Speaker 1: that salary to the rest of your life. So that
Speaker 1: was their great fear, right. But now and I think
Speaker 1: this is I think it's an addition to the fact
Speaker 1: that it's become so popular. Obviously, you know, as you
Speaker 1: mentioned Greg Draftings, Fan Duel, partnering with those two establishments,
Speaker 1: and just look at the market to see what those
Speaker 1: kind of companies are doing these days. But also I
Speaker 1: think the fact that players do not want to risk
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contracts or even fifteen million dollar contracts
Speaker 1: right to do something to furious that would put the
Speaker 1: integrity of the game at stake. And so I think
Speaker 1: with players salaries and trenched, at least those that perhaps
Speaker 1: could have a huge impact on the game, save maybe
Speaker 1: a kicker who could be on the take, but don't
Speaker 1: have the overall impact in a game to be able
Speaker 1: to determine the outcome right unless it's in the very
Speaker 1: balance in the final sect and the balance on the
Speaker 1: very final seconds. So I think that all came together
Speaker 1: where the idea that players could be influenced, that the game,
Speaker 1: the integrity of the game could be compromised. I I
Speaker 1: find that very hard to believe, and I think that's
Speaker 1: a big reason why we're not going to start going
Speaker 1: down you know this road. And I think, like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, the interesting thing will be how they present it.
Speaker 1: Is it a second screen, is it is it through
Speaker 1: your computer screen only? Is it part of the TV broadcast?
Speaker 1: Because you would assume with the fact that Fox has
Speaker 1: Fox Bats right, that that they're gonna want some of
Speaker 1: that and they're not gonna want it all go to
Speaker 1: you know, entities that they don't have a you know,
Speaker 1: don't have cheese in the in the contracts for those
Speaker 1: broadcasts themselves. So Al Michaels won't have to be so
Speaker 1: um covert and you know, hyper subtle about his gambling
Speaker 1: terrible bombs at the end of games anymore. Neither neither
Speaker 1: will Greg. That's good too. And I think with the
Speaker 1: Kickers too, just to be safe, I think we should
Speaker 1: start sequestering them August to February, like the O. J. Jerry,
Speaker 1: just like shut them to keep him out of the
Speaker 1: world for five months and then reintroduce them to society.
Speaker 1: All right, Speaking of Draft Kings, um they least their
Speaker 1: NFL MVPs. So before we go today, why don't we
Speaker 1: just kick around some interesting um uh players on this list.
Speaker 1: It may not be a surprise to you, but Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes is the favorite here with Aaron Rodgers right behind him,
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen rounding out the top three, but a
Speaker 1: bit of a distant third. Um money. When you looked
Speaker 1: at this list, was there a player and it goes
Speaker 1: about that jumped out to you as someone that makes
Speaker 1: sense as a potential sneaky MVP candidate. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: there were a couple of things I think that that
Speaker 1: jumped out. I mean one is and I think we
Speaker 1: saw this with Aaron Rodgers this past year, right. I
Speaker 1: think there's always a sentimental favorite, you know, somebody that
Speaker 1: you'd like that. You know, man, Aaron Rodgers needs another
Speaker 1: m v P on his resume. He's arguably the best
Speaker 1: you know, quarterback throw or whatever you want to tag
Speaker 1: him with, of his of his era. Um. So, you know,
Speaker 1: he was able to put the numbers together and they
Speaker 1: were able to win enough games to to bring that propersition.
Speaker 1: So to me, I think it's clear at least I
Speaker 1: think I don't know, tell me if I'm wrong, but
Speaker 1: someone who had to serve his time and to try
Speaker 1: right for all those years, I would assume Matthew Stafford's
Speaker 1: got to be the sentimental favorite, combined with you know,
Speaker 1: everybody likes Sean McVeigh. He's great with the media, his
Speaker 1: offense is fun. You could even maybe point to him
Speaker 1: as someone that you know, kind of open things up,
Speaker 1: even though it's Kyle Shanahan's tree that you know that
Speaker 1: he is the fruit that fell off of He's a
Speaker 1: big reason why so many of these offenses look the
Speaker 1: way they do. So, I mean that's kind of your
Speaker 1: sentimental favorite. Can can he put up the numbers? Can
Speaker 1: he play at a level? Can the Rams win enough games? Um?
Speaker 1: I think it's tough to to see Mahomes or or Brady,
Speaker 1: I mean Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers win and one again
Speaker 1: so soon. When Tom Brady put up in m v
Speaker 1: P campaign last year, I mean he you could make
Speaker 1: his compelling a case for him, and you could for
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Um. So I think all things being equal,
Speaker 1: if they're all putting up similar numbers. You look at
Speaker 1: what's become of the NFC South with the retirement and
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and you know, kind of a situation, Uh
Speaker 1: with Caroline in Atlanta, it looks like they're probably win
Speaker 1: a lot more games everybody's back. So, um, those two
Speaker 1: I think kind of stand ahead of others. And then
Speaker 1: For me, I think the long shot is kind of
Speaker 1: what we did with Kyler Murray last year, and that's
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, right, a guy who played behind the worst
Speaker 1: offensive line in the league last year and still put
Speaker 1: up for yards thirty one touchdowns in fifteen games and
Speaker 1: was without Austin ekeler Um for for eight or nine
Speaker 1: of those games. So I think that's kind of maybe
Speaker 1: the categories that I see anything was they're close together.
Speaker 1: You know, Stafford was fifth plus fifteen hundred, Brady was
Speaker 1: six plus sixteen hundred, and Harvard's in the top ten
Speaker 1: plus eighteen hundred, so they're kind of in the same ballpark.
Speaker 1: Herbert getting some love there. I'm a little stun at
Speaker 1: Stafford's that high, ahead of Brady, just barely ahead of
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, ahead of Dak prescott Um. But there's a
Speaker 1: narrative built into this. Kyler Murray to me, he's kind
Speaker 1: of the middle of the pack here plus eighteen hundred.
Speaker 1: He he jumps out to me as a guy to
Speaker 1: get behind, because he can give you that one thousand
Speaker 1: yards season and he could put a team on his
Speaker 1: back and then at the end of the year, four
Speaker 1: thousand yards passing forty four total touchdowns, a big rushing
Speaker 1: year for a playoff team, and that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: He would be if I had pick one guy from
Speaker 1: kind of the middle of the pack. Um at plus eighty,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's my guy. See, I am totally with money
Speaker 1: on Justin Herbert. He jumped out to me. I don't
Speaker 1: think this team is going to be anything but enjoyable
Speaker 1: to watch. Um, we've already talked about my Brandon Staley fascination,
Speaker 1: so you know, I marry all this together. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a different club. I am offended. Um
Speaker 1: that Derrick Henry at plus thirty three hundred is below
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. I understand that Derrick Kenny is not gonna
Speaker 1: run for two thousand yards again. But the idea that
Speaker 1: Carson Carson Wentz just feels to me shot gun from
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. In this you, you more
Speaker 1: than anyone else in this podcast, have spoke about what
Speaker 1: annoys you about the m v P race and how
Speaker 1: it's narrative driven and all that. Like, quarterbacks are kind
Speaker 1: of where it's at. That's why quarterback almost always wins.
Speaker 1: So I'm not talking about from what I think about
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz the player against Derrick Henry, who was a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level running back. But when you're building
Speaker 1: out odds for the m V Pig, I think it's
Speaker 1: it's close that wins if he had a bounce back
Speaker 1: season with Frank right on the Great Colts team, potentially,
Speaker 1: I think that actually makes sense in terms of odds.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, but I just don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Like I just don't like Carson Wentz spotted that that's
Speaker 1: what you're ultimately picking on. So I'm with Mark that,
Speaker 1: like Carson Wentz is one of the worst quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL last year, there's little reason to think
Speaker 1: that he's going to be a top ten quarterback much
Speaker 1: that's terrible means you know, if you put a hundred
Speaker 1: down you would you would get three thousand. But that
Speaker 1: is that is the That is the thirteenth most likely player, though,
Speaker 1: which seems insane to me for a guy who it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if he's not a starter anymore in
Speaker 1: a year or two. And I love one guy above
Speaker 1: the pack. Here in the middle of the pack, I
Speaker 1: think Mahomes is easily the best way to go here,
Speaker 1: he's still plus five to me, I give him about
Speaker 1: a one in two or three chance to every season
Speaker 1: until I've proven otherwise, because he's just that good. So
Speaker 1: he would be my number one. But press Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: down around eight or ninth at plus SE talked about
Speaker 1: narrative driven. I think him coming off his injury, coming
Speaker 1: up obviously tough, you know year personally, and and just
Speaker 1: um getting that contract if he plays lights out, and
Speaker 1: I just think he's that good that he could do it.
Speaker 1: I love the Cowboys, and it's the Cowboys. Him in
Speaker 1: the middle of the pack is the guy that's that
Speaker 1: I would go before. So just you know, I think,
Speaker 1: as you've mentioned Dan, Hey, so what you know plus
Speaker 1: three thousand, you know what's that mean. I think it's
Speaker 1: also important to remember the reason those numbers are there
Speaker 1: is because they want action on those numbers. So they're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what is the number where we
Speaker 1: can get people to say, oh, you know what, I
Speaker 1: like Carson Wentz. You know, I remember the MVP campaign
Speaker 1: from three years ago, Hunter Bucks to win three grant
Speaker 1: let's go. So I think that's kind of which is
Speaker 1: why you see the numbers changed so dramatically when you
Speaker 1: kind of get out of the realistic candidates. Um. But
Speaker 1: I think to your point, Greg to to Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: you know, giving him a one in two or one
Speaker 1: in three chance. Um. I look at Josh Allen, right,
Speaker 1: and I think you just have to ask yourself, was
Speaker 1: it an outlier year or have we seen this steady climb? Right?
Speaker 1: You know from year one to year two and then
Speaker 1: from year two to year three. Brian Dable stays there.
Speaker 1: You look at their uh, their schedule a f C
Speaker 1: East obviously and then NFC and a f C South.
Speaker 1: So I think that's really friendly. You know, their first
Speaker 1: place schedule, get some of the Steelers, uh and the
Speaker 1: chief So you just kind of I think that's what
Speaker 1: you gotta balance, right. The guy's completion percentage was ten
Speaker 1: points higher. Is the passer rating was twenty five points
Speaker 1: higher than the year before those outlier numbers? Or if
Speaker 1: the Bills win again? We know they're always a great
Speaker 1: story and that's such a big part of it. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Uh, they drafted Jordan's love. He's got no
Speaker 1: past catchers. They want to run him out of Green Bay,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be something to be at an m v PCs.
Speaker 1: Oh what do you know he did have an m
Speaker 1: v PC. You know people want that confirmation bias, and
Speaker 1: I think the bills were always that great story and
Speaker 1: um so to me, like as a that's a nice
Speaker 1: little nugget right there. It's how Alan got a few
Speaker 1: votes last year and my homes didn't because I I
Speaker 1: know he ended strong and I know he was great.
Speaker 1: You just can't tell me that Josh Allen was better
Speaker 1: than past. You know what, I started starting to like
Speaker 1: this uh Vegas stuff because I'm seeing something right here.
Speaker 1: It stands out to me and I'm gonna go take
Speaker 1: five out of the Sessler. I'm gonna drop it on
Speaker 1: Davante Adams at plus ten that in theory. But I
Speaker 1: just say, it's not even imagination to put Davante Adams.
Speaker 1: It's plus ten thousand, hello in theory. You know we
Speaker 1: can talk about it now. But as NFL. NFL I'm
Speaker 1: learning not changed, we are not we are not getting
Speaker 1: in the mix here, not out of the Sessler bank account.
Speaker 1: I maybe you know, am I allowed to tell someone
Speaker 1: else to do that? I would say definite. He sends
Speaker 1: us this integrity thing and we signed it. You've signed it.
Speaker 1: No one will ever hear this other than the four
Speaker 1: people on this right now. Feeling very temptive speaking of
Speaker 1: Vegas plus eight thousand for Drew Lock, You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go higher than that to entice people to get
Speaker 1: in on that one. That is crazy to me. And
Speaker 1: then my my final thought is along the same lines
Speaker 1: as Dak Prescott um. It happens every September when he
Speaker 1: gets out to a hot start, everyone just is talking
Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson m v P. He's never one m
Speaker 1: v P. He's Russell Wilson is this year he wins
Speaker 1: m v P. The fact that that's already kind of
Speaker 1: a construct around discussing Russell Wilson helps in this type
Speaker 1: of exercise. So if if he is allowed to cook
Speaker 1: as they say, and has that monster season, the fact
Speaker 1: that he has not won an m v P and
Speaker 1: is one of the game's best quarterbacks of this generation,
Speaker 1: I feel like that at plus is a good pick well.
Speaker 1: And also I think you have the project who's gonna
Speaker 1: win the division, and right it's it's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to win an m v P unless you're say,
Speaker 1: I don't know what twelve win wild card team. You
Speaker 1: know you gotta be, you know, on eleven win wild
Speaker 1: card team. So what's you know for Josh Allen, what's
Speaker 1: the a s C East look like? For Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: the NFC South, for Patrick Mahomes, the f C West,
Speaker 1: And I think for Russell Wilson. Are we scared of
Speaker 1: a Niners team even with that great defense with with
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback? Are you really scared of the Cardinals?
Speaker 1: And what are we gonna make? It's a good division,
Speaker 1: yeah it is, but I mean, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like if you're trying to bet Herbert probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to knock off the Chiefs. And that's I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're ready to take that step. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they are, but you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you got well in Russ. Russ
Speaker 1: unlike maybe any quarterback ever, I think he could change
Speaker 1: the game. He's he's gonna campaign. I mean, he basically did.
Speaker 1: He started. He started an m v P campaign last year.
Speaker 1: He got it going behind the scenes and in front
Speaker 1: of the mic. He's gonna be like the first movie
Speaker 1: producer that really started putting ads out in the trade
Speaker 1: papers looking for best oscars, best pictures. Whenever someone started
Speaker 1: doing that, that's gonna be Russell, willn't. They'll just start
Speaker 1: putting one page advertisements into Sports Illustrated to vote for.
Speaker 1: Or he'll just do what Notre Dame did for Joe Theisman,
Speaker 1: right and changes literally changed the pronunciation of the man's name,
Speaker 1: the Joe Bisman instead of Piseman. Whoa, I was just
Speaker 1: about to come after you from mispronouncing one of the
Speaker 1: great Washington quarterbacks ever. And there you go the collegation
Speaker 1: of his Remember remember Oregon made Joey Harrington Joey Heisman
Speaker 1: and they bought that giant billboard in Times Square when
Speaker 1: they were trying to get him to win the Heisman campaign.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because the old hot that's what they need
Speaker 1: to do, Greg. They just you take a page from
Speaker 1: the colleges about their Heisman campaign. You apply it. You
Speaker 1: know Russell can get his uh, I don't know, Team
Speaker 1: Cook whatever he calls him to get on that and
Speaker 1: just to start. Now plant those seeds money. You've you've
Speaker 1: said it all I do. I say too much three
Speaker 1: to seven pm. Petra's money if you're local. But actually
Speaker 1: you can get it anywhere now you can. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish they could see the tan that Money has
Speaker 1: surfing every day as a surfer right there, Me and
Speaker 1: the boys actually money. Um. We went to Manhattan Beach
Speaker 1: and got breakfast at this amazing diner called the Kettle. Yea,
Speaker 1: I love the Kettle. It's awesome and I had never
Speaker 1: been there. We loved it. And then we walked and
Speaker 1: the piers right there. We walked out on the bat
Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach pier and you had all the surfers out,
Speaker 1: and uh. I looked down at it. I did think
Speaker 1: of you because I know you're an avid surfer, and
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I'm not going to be a surfer.
Speaker 1: It's just it's not where I come from. It's not
Speaker 1: who I am. I don't like to imagine myself in
Speaker 1: the in the wet suit. It's just not gonna be
Speaker 1: something that I would do. But I looked at my
Speaker 1: two sons, who are California boys, and I'm like this,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is an attainable dream for you
Speaker 1: boys because it looks so calm and peaceful. What a
Speaker 1: great way to spend a Sunday morning. It is bring
Speaker 1: him down, Dan and Um you know, this is what's
Speaker 1: in their future. See that that's me getting attacked by
Speaker 1: the fins of my board. That was just today or Saturday.
Speaker 1: So that's been there. Something else a little uh where
Speaker 1: is it? There we go, Yeah, there you go, the
Speaker 1: spacing in the in the two fins on the side
Speaker 1: of the board coming up to get me because the
Speaker 1: way it was a little too big, and well this
Speaker 1: old man got a little too aggressive. And sometimes you've
Speaker 1: got to be reminded the ocean's boss, not the not
Speaker 1: the man in the ocean. We still go hang out
Speaker 1: at the kettle sometime, isn't that open? Twenty four seven?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I've I've seen many a many
Speaker 1: a person duck under that table and well lose a
Speaker 1: little bit of weight if you will, drinking. That's what
Speaker 1: I think of when I think, can you please tell
Speaker 1: Petro's that he brings me immense joy? And I find
Speaker 1: his wardrobe to be a total fascination. He tweets out
Speaker 1: in Instagram's little accouterments and pieces of jewelry. He is
Speaker 1: a very unusual man, Yes he is. He has his
Speaker 1: own style, unlike me who just rolls with solid polo.
Speaker 1: Nice surfer tan side part you complement each other. Well,
Speaker 1: exactly do you want to share with the audience money.
Speaker 1: The most fascinating thing I learned about you during our
Speaker 1: Power Kings television show tapings was what you use as
Speaker 1: hair product? Oh, and I used it today. I use
Speaker 1: hand lotion. That is Uh, that's an old broadcasters trick.
Speaker 1: If you ever go on the road and you forget
Speaker 1: your hair gel and you've got to be on TV hotel,
Speaker 1: hand lotion doubles as it'll it'll hold your hair in place.
Speaker 1: Um and to this day, Yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: just straight. Uh. I think this is gold bond. I
Speaker 1: think because you know, I spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: on the water, so my hands get super dry. So
Speaker 1: this is just gold bond. I know Greg is so
Speaker 1: fascinated by this. I would never have known how I'm
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, no, it's try it. Give it. I
Speaker 1: know Dan would never, but I think I can trust
Speaker 1: Mark and Greg to give it. I have gold bond
Speaker 1: like literally up the hallway. So you know, I don't
Speaker 1: have your hair, but I mean when you got when
Speaker 1: you got it going on like this, you just go
Speaker 1: natural and clean shaven, clean shaven today for oh, by
Speaker 1: the way. I'll give you this little nugget before I go, Greg,
Speaker 1: because in honor of you in clean shaven, today's um
Speaker 1: dead guy birthday of the day is Richard Harding Davis.
Speaker 1: And uh, he would have been what a hundred fifty seven,
Speaker 1: hundred fifty seven today, turn of the century, big editor
Speaker 1: of the New York Evening, Son, Philadelphia Record, Philadelphia Press,
Speaker 1: very close friends with Teddy Roosevelt, would kind of mock
Speaker 1: you know, we would kind of share all the exploits
Speaker 1: of the rough Riders, celebrate his victories and accomplishments as
Speaker 1: a man's man, but not the DMX rough Riders. This
Speaker 1: was this was a little just slightly before their time.
Speaker 1: But he's a very good looking man. And he was
Speaker 1: the person that was like, hey, with this square jaw
Speaker 1: and these features, I don't know what these people are
Speaker 1: doing with all the paws on their face, but clean
Speaker 1: shaven is the way I go. And he started a
Speaker 1: trend at the turn of the century of men actually
Speaker 1: going completely clean shaven. No mustache, no beard, no mutton shops,
Speaker 1: none of that because he had that beautiful face that
Speaker 1: he wanted to share with the world. And dude started
Speaker 1: shaving completely. Then so we owe it to him. Richard
Speaker 1: Harding Davis. There you go, Dickie Davil, Dicky Davis, wherever
Speaker 1: you are, Dicky, we doff our cap to you, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: and the same to you money. Thank you, buddy anytime
Speaker 1: for joining us and putting Greg in line. And remember
Speaker 1: it's an open invite anytime. If you don't think that
Speaker 1: Mark and I are keeping Greg honest about something, hop
Speaker 1: on the show and and have your way. We need that.
Speaker 1: We can bring on a heavy sometimes and you can
Speaker 1: play get sponsored. Let's get it sponsored. You got a
Speaker 1: nice job. Now that you mentioned it, it's like keeping
Speaker 1: kind of I got that but chin thing going. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily as attractive. But you know what's interesting.
Speaker 1: I think, well that see, now this is not right.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that. All of my all of
Speaker 1: my issues, all of my points of contention, their trifles.
Speaker 1: They're they're you know, their ancillary conversations, they're add ons.
Speaker 1: They're not part of the driving narrative of that episod
Speaker 1: sod of around the NFL, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They're meant to be asides and then we just move
Speaker 1: on from the aside. But instead I hook into it
Speaker 1: and I can't let go. Uh, and it really is
Speaker 1: one of my great faults. So I apologized to be
Speaker 1: around the NFL list. You have nothing to apologize for,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the listeners enjoyed having you here. I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Come back money anytime. Alright, that's taking the kids to
Speaker 1: the kettle at about two am. You know, give him
Speaker 1: the breakfasts like Jack carry wake up. We're taking a show,
Speaker 1: all right, this is uh. We'll be back on Thursday
Speaker 1: with another audio show, Friday TV show and yes, next
Speaker 1: week Draft week. We have five shows coming up. How
Speaker 1: about that all in the podcast variety? Uh so a
Speaker 1: lot coming up. This is Dan had to signing off
Speaker 1: four Quiet Storm, the old Boss, Ricky Hollywood behind the
Speaker 1: Virtual Glass and of course yes Matt money Smith and
Speaker 1: this gold bond until Thursday. Eat the call s