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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. He's the true star of

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Speaker 1: or Not. Welcome to another edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. That comes to

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Speaker 1: you from the virtual room build with the heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Greg rosen Fall. It's it's I'm for drafting yet here

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Speaker 1: as Trevor Lawrence could clearly attest to that. Here's the

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Speaker 1: here's the comment that Trevor Lawrence made an s I

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Speaker 1: that led to a firestorm in the sports talk world.

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Speaker 1: I want people to know that I'm passionate about what

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Speaker 1: I do and it's really important to me. But I

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Speaker 1: don't have this huge chip on my shoulder that's everyone's

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Speaker 1: everybody wrong. I just don't have that. I can't manufacture that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to. He gets killed for it, and

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Speaker 1: Greg has to go on social media and clarify his thoughts.

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Speaker 1: That's draft madness in a nutshell, especially this time of year.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the dumbest storylines that we've ever

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Speaker 1: heard in NFL circles. And that's saying a lot for

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Speaker 1: the off season. But I would put this near the

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Speaker 1: top our network ESPN like people going back and forth

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Speaker 1: was losing my mind watching it. What am I crazy? Like?

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Speaker 1: Where where were you guys at with that? That that

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Speaker 1: like a person couldn't find motivation in different ways other

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Speaker 1: that ultimately motivation from within might be better than then

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Speaker 1: I get motivated by negative things that happened to me, UM,

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Speaker 1: UM that will fire me up. But do I think

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Speaker 1: that that's healthy? No? And do I think that's the

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Speaker 1: only way that an athlete could be motivated? No? And

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Speaker 1: do I think this is the most ponderous um storyline

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Speaker 1: it's it's the Brady effect. Ever since Tom Brady became

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Speaker 1: way the draft industrial complex works, there's no there's no

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Speaker 1: and I I've come to peace Uh as a Jets

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Speaker 1: So that was just that was that was probably not

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Speaker 1: He looks like the v version of a quarterback prospects

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Speaker 1: at all. And that's that's a bit of a schism.

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Speaker 1: I think that could lead to some testiness um within

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Speaker 1: the union as well. So interesting situation. We will track

431
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Speaker 1: it here on the Around the NFL podcast. What's the

432
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Speaker 1: latest with the Shawn Watson Uh, let's see attorney Rusty

433
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: Harden has filed an answer to the twenty two lawsuits

434
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Speaker 1: filed against Watson, and according to Watson's legal team, they

435
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: have quote already uncovered evidence that numerous allegations in this

436
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: onslaught of cases are simply not true or accurate. From

437
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: March sixteenth to April fourteen, twenty three lawsuits were filed

438
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: against Watson. One has been dropped for now, so it

439
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: stands at twenty two and very aggressive Greg the Watson

440
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: camp on this, calling it a cash grab by people

441
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: involved UH with the allegations. So if there was a

442
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: thought that Watson is going to quietly try to settle

443
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: this or or go a different route, it seems like

444
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: his team is going all out trying to get UH

445
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: the quarterback cleared. Yeah, it's it's tricky to talk about

446
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: this without trying to discuss the merits of each side,

447
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: which we're not really in a position to do. But

448
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: I did have takeaways and one of them was that

449
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: the and that this is gonna last, that he's fighting it,

450
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: that several cases usually don't go to the court, but

451
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: this he seems like he's fighting it as hard as

452
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: he can, and so that this could be a long process.

453
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: And and it and it could go to court. And

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00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: then the other part is is more just about the

455
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: media's coverage of it. I just I am a little

456
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: wary of making sure that both sides, for instance, are

457
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: represented well because I think it it's tricky. This is

458
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: something everyone is uncomfortable talking about. The higher you go up,

459
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: I think people aren't comfortable talking about it. But I

460
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: just hope everyone is using that same energy that they're

461
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,479
Speaker 1: using passing Watson's agent side of things and their lawyer

462
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: side of things to the twenty three documents that were

463
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: filed into court, because sometimes it doesn't feel like that

464
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: says even and there's a lot there. Um, if you

465
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Speaker 1: want to have experts on or however the media is

466
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Speaker 1: gonna handle it, make sure you're covering, um, that side

467
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: of it too, because Watson is coming with a lot

468
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: of money, a lot of power, and I think you know,

469
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: it's it's complicated and it's tricky how that plays into

470
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: how the whole media and NFL structure is set up.

471
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Speaker 1: I think that's really well said. Um. I couldn't agree

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Speaker 1: more and I wouldn't add too much other than the

473
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Speaker 1: fact that I would just go back and read that. Um.

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00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: SI article by Jenny Brentis that to me, um, that

475
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: that cut through some stuff for me? And you know, yes,

476
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: maybe in this um wide array of lawsuits, are are

477
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Speaker 1: a couple of them, Um something they can go try

478
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: to pick apart shore. But does that mean that that

479
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: you can you throw the baby out with the bath water.

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00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot happening here, and it just

481
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: from a football angle, um Like even last week, I

482
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Speaker 1: believe it was said by Ian or someone that there

483
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: may still be some interest out there in trading for

484
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. I don't want to put that on him,

485
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: but I did hear that, and it's like from who

486
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: and how like from a football pure early football angle,

487
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: I think that all has to be shut down because

488
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: suddenly like a new team would be taking on all this. No,

489
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: like this, this is like we're not right down. And

490
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: speaking of Shaun Watson's current team, general manager Nicos sario

491
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: Um did not address Watson's trade availability or anything going

492
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: on with his legal accusations. In a recent meeting with reporters,

493
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: he had this quote, if you want to speculate, you

494
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: should probably go by bitcoin. Focus on that, all right,

495
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: bro okay, all right, all right. Uh. In other news,

496
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: a couple of transactions here. Um, we talked about Jadeveon

497
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: Clowney going to the Browns. Uh. They and a corresponding move,

498
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: or certainly seems like one. The Browns released defensive tackle

499
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richardson, who was due twelve million this year. Um.

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Speaker 1: So the addition of Clowney, say, actually costs you Mark Richardson,

501
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: You're you okay with that trade off? I think it's

502
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: definitely like a loss. Um. He played well for them

503
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: last year. There were there was speculation that that would

504
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: be kind of like the other level Leverpool there. Um,

505
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think Clowney can It's not just someone

506
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: who plays on the outside. You can plaim on the

507
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: inside a little bit. They have Malik Jackson. Um, They've

508
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: got a guy Andrew Billings who you know is developmental. Um.

509
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: But this was unpopular. This is one of the few

510
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: things that um, from what I you know, heard little

511
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: whispers that that Andrew Barry has been very popular with players,

512
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: But this was an unpopular move in the locker room

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00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: that Sheldon Richardson was um pretty beloved. So I would

514
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: say this, you know, from a needs standpoint, that becomes

515
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: another need in the draft that there are a little

516
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: thin there. Very surprising. He was really good for the former.

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00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: In other news, James Conner is remember the Arizona Cardinals.

518
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: This is a little bit ancient now but we haven't

519
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: had a chance to discuss it, but former Steelers starting

520
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: running back signs of one year, one point seven million

521
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: dollar five dollar contract with Arizona where he will I

522
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: guess split backfield duties with Chase Edmonds. Your thoughts, boys,

523
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: I just liked, um, you know you're getting on them.

524
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: I guess that we were off their last week, just

525
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: Cardinals having that whole you know, setting up the team.

526
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: Your dad likes like they've sent the off season for casual,

527
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: as you called, it's the season for your like your casual,

528
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, buddy who somewhat follows football. And then you

529
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: look at their off season and like, who have they added?

530
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: James Conner? That guy was a big story with the Steelers.

531
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: And then you got J. J. Watt. Oh my goodness,

532
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: A J. Green What a team? Says the basic who

533
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: barely follows the league. I hope Steve kan doesn't fall

534
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: in that category, or it's gonna be a long season.

535
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: And I think your take is totally accurate, though. It's

536
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: like you built an all star team from half a

537
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: decade ago. It's funny. I like I like the wat sign.

538
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: I still do his His contract looks better for what

539
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: the further we got out from it because at the

540
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: time you weren't sure what the market was gonna be,

541
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: and he really got top of the market. I'm the

542
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: man money compared to what other pass rushers got. And

543
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: finally in the news, the Bengals have new uniforms. Let's

544
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: hear it. Let's hear a little SoundBite from the video

545
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: they put out Burrows. There he's wearing the white uniform.

546
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: He looks healthy. I don't see a limp in that video,

547
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: so good luck to him on his continued knee recovery. Uh.

548
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about these univers They seem whatever

549
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: to me that the Bengals uniforms have always been unique.

550
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: I liked them when I was eight and they went

551
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl woomor sizing. But now I found

552
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: them to be a little bit cheesy, but also different

553
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: and different is good. What do you think, Mark Um?

554
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, so these all these new like rollouts, they

555
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: have all these different combinations. Uh, and I don't like.

556
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking, you know, down here at the various ones.

557
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: One of them stands out to me as beautiful, and

558
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: it's the Borough white on white. I think it's an

559
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: honestly awesome look. And I think they did that as

560
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: um like a sort of from the Wilderness version last year,

561
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: and it looked really clean. I just I want uniforms

562
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: in general to be less noisy, um, less chaotic. But

563
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: I do find it um, you know, and listen, Obviously,

564
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm a Browns fan. The Bengals are not a team

565
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: I've warmed up to in general. I they were pulled

566
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: essentially the same way the Ravens came from Cleveland. The

567
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: Bengals essentially came from the Browns because Paul Brown is

568
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, exercised out of Cleveland and goes and starts

569
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: his own essentially revenge team. And they've been a frisky,

570
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: um you know, here and there, but not but they've

571
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: been in darkness as well. But to have Paul Brown's

572
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: name on inside the neck um thing. To me. I

573
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: just find that um as a signature comment that you

574
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: are just essentially struggling to be your own thing. But

575
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: that's that's my own personal issue. Um, I'm with you, Dan,

576
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: I find I've always found their helmets to be a

577
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: little a little bit cheesy. Then kind of here's the thing.

578
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: You could have gone to Cincinnati and started a new

579
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: team with a completely different color scheme. Instead, you basically

580
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: go and make uniforms that look a sort of like

581
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: a lower rent version of the Browns current classic uniforms.

582
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: And I struggle with that. Um, the Browns have one

583
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: eleven and five season, and look at this guy in

584
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: Mount Pious talking down to Cincinnati. He it is like

585
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: really important for you that, like, the Browns are this

586
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: great franchise. At least we're not the Bengals. Like, that's

587
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: kind of your your m O right now. It feels

588
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: like it's been my m O for the entire century,

589
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I would say. But it's not just because the Browns

590
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: won eleven and five. I mean there are a lot

591
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: of similar parallels between these two franchises. And you're basically

592
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: Sam what you're you're Samwite when he was like, you know,

593
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: when he went after Cleveland. It's like really important to

594
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: each of those teams at least were not the other team.

595
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you're Paul Brown. You could say, like, hey,

596
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: you kicked me out there, I had to go start

597
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: another I would say like spinoffs in general are lackluster,

598
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: and so if you're going to create a spinoff, you know,

599
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: come with some original fire. And they, to me, have

600
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: struggled to I struggled to identify the original fire. It's

601
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: it's funny because I probably throw a brick in my

602
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: head if you were here, So you know, I get

603
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: the yes, he would he would not be happy with

604
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: this analysis. But I get the Ravens thing obviously with

605
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: you Mark the Steelers thing, totally understand and got why

606
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: that was such an important moment for you as a

607
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: fan in January and they got the big playoff win,

608
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: picking down Cincinnati, picking on Cincinnati. I just that's the

609
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: only I can't get on board with this. It just

610
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't It's like me like like a Bills fan

611
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: trashing a Jets fan or something. It's just like kind

612
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: of has beens or have nots. I should say, um,

613
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: just kind of leave each other alone and and focus

614
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: on the real bullies. I don't know, Well, they're the

615
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: same state. You know there there is there is you'd

616
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: hope for that to be a legitimate rivalry. And what

617
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is hear them up to make

618
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: this it's a Paul Brown thing. Now I realize it,

619
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: because ultimately the Browns try to pretend like they're the

620
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: old Browns, but they're kind of an expansion team from

621
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: and Paul Brown, being the godfather of football is almost

622
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: so it's like all they have, but now you know

623
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: they are Paul Brown in the back of the Bengals.

624
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: It's like, what are they going to put on the

625
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: back of the new Browns, like Kelly Holcomb or something

626
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: like what it's psychological warfare and I identify it as such.

627
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right,

628
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: let's get into the m v P talk. But before

629
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: we do, I think we have a special guest joining

630
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: us here who has some business that he wants to

631
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: deal with here. He is Matty. I was hoping it

632
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: was Henry to talk about the Chilean two lane basketball player.

633
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: That's like, that's not how you intro a guest. You

634
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: were hoping that it was a different guest, you know what.

635
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: The look of curiosity then followed by impending dread is

636
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: all the introduction I need on the face of Greg

637
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: rosen Hall and that Money Smith there he is and

638
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: the reason Matt's here. And I'm gonna tee you up

639
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: this way, Matt, and then I'm gonna let you, um

640
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: just do what you gotta do. Um. Matt obviously man

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Speaker 1: deeply connected to the music world and one of his

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00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: many successful careers. Uh. Something Greg Rosenthal said on last

643
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: week's podcast really stuck in Money's cross, Ricky, can you

644
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: call that up? You know, not forgetting, but also some

645
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: like cover cover songs of like kiss and uh, you know,

646
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: ugly kid Joe and you're an A plus deflector. But

647
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: Dan and I are not off the case. Yes, So

648
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: I love the Around the NFL podcast. I listened to

649
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: it regularly. Um, and uh, it's always great, great entertainment, informative.

650
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: It kind of gives you a little bit of everything,

651
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: little personality. Uh, we get some some real life experiences.

652
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: And in this case it was Greg and his brother

653
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: Dean who was being celebrated, and I believe you were.

654
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: You were kind of singing the praises of your brothers, saying, look,

655
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: this is someone who went to college to play music.

656
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: This isn't just some dude that grabbed an acoustic guitar,

657
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: rolled down to the quad and tried to get a

658
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: couple of the alpha fees to go home with him.

659
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: You know, this is someone who was trained to be

660
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: a professional musician and and then unfortunately you stick him

661
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: with You got him with Kiss, which is fine. Look

662
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: one of the all time great rock bands, uh, nine

663
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: seventies Destroyers Strutter, two of the great rock records. Uh.

664
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: You then bring in Guns and Roses for some mid

665
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: eighties to early nineties fair uh you know obviously appetype

666
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: for Destruction one of the all time rock records. And

667
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: then somehow in between those two is a band out

668
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: of Palo Alto, California called Ugly Kid Joe. And and

669
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: I just sent the text as I was listening to

670
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: it immediately in the moment, like someone's got to be

671
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: there to call Greg out when these things cut like that,

672
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: that band has no business being stuck to your brother,

673
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: Dean as a professionally trained musician, Like, hey, you know

674
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: you play stuff like Kiss and guns and Roses an

675
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: Ugly Kid Joe that that is one that you would

676
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: leave off of the resume. You would replace it with

677
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: a C D C or or something along those lines, Greg,

678
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm just giving a slice of life of what was

679
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: being played in bars by sixteen year olds in nine

680
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: or nine. And yeah, you got your your kiss and

681
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: your guns and roses, but you also got I Hate

682
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Everything about You. The number one single. I don't know

683
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: if it was number one, but it probably was. But

684
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: a kid, it was a big hit. So you play

685
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: what the they played, what the people want. I mean,

686
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: he's still It has nothing to do with him as

687
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: a musician. It's just saying facts. He's still a musician.

688
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: He's a classical music composer right now. He's a professional.

689
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: And I bet he would stand by ugly Kid Joe. Well,

690
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: it was a hit. So this is what's funny about this,

691
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: right is as Greg and I and and Mark and

692
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Dan you were on the text thread, something came up

693
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: um as to Greg explaining why he said ugly kid Joe,

694
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: and I think it really speaks to the personality of

695
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. Right, So here's his brother, accomplished, classically trained musician.

696
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: He could have picked any group or any songs, but

697
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: he said, well, and it speaks to his narcissism and

698
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: his ego because he said, well, you know, one time

699
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: during rehearsal. Yeah, I got the signal to kid Joe.

700
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: So far be it from Greg to remember any of

701
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: the staples or any of the great accomplishments, you know,

702
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: maybe a particular solo or a Pink Floyd epic that

703
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: that would stick with him. Instead, it was the time

704
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: I got to have a piece of Dean Rosehalls his

705
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: themed musical career. Is what I remember as I choose

706
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: to celebrate my brother. What I'm supposed to go crazy

707
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: about the Steve Stevie Vy like eleven minutes solo down

708
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: there and before me, No, I was eleven years old

709
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: at the time. I'm gonna remember the time that the

710
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: singer wasn't there and you're like, hey, Greg, can you

711
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: play this song with a six times? That's what's gonna

712
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: imprint in my mind because it is a fun song

713
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: to just kind of yell out. If you want to

714
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: just do it in your card today, you'll have a

715
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: good time. Money. But I hope we haven't lost you

716
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: as a listener due to Greg's misstep. No, no no, no,

717
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: not at all. I just I felt, Look, I don't

718
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder, you know one hit Wonder

719
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: has happened. And as I said to you on the

720
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: text thread, look because you tried to come back with

721
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: at least I didn't mention extreme, and I said extreme

722
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: going on, Mr Big, that was another one Big, And

723
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: I said, sometimes you gotta fill the tip jar, you know,

724
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: sometimes you check your dignity at the door, and you

725
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: got to fill the tip jar. And that's what life

726
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: is like as a is a cover band that rolls

727
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: from bar to bar, and your daughter is a singer

728
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: and performer. I've noticed star you do you rigidly, um

729
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: like go over her playlist and say yes or no

730
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: to various songs. This is the sad thing about that

731
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: question mark, And thanks for asking. I appreciate it. I do.

732
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: And I explained to her that as a former music

733
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: director that used to program a station and would slot

734
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: every single song and every single place throughout the course

735
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: of a twenty four hour day. So this is what

736
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, Big, all right, So I see you're

737
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna kind of open with with some Michael Jackson. I

738
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: want you back and then uh and then or give

739
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: me more chance, I said, And then we're gonna come

740
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: with like a nice vibe with I'm yours. But then

741
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: I gotta come with some rock, so there's gonna be

742
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: some older people there, all right, So let's let's bring

743
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: in the CCR right here, and then if you want,

744
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: we can back it up with one of your pop

745
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: songs that you want to play. But then I want

746
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: you to right back the rock, all right. She must

747
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: find you so annoying, right, speaking of Michael Jackson, you're

748
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: the Joe Jackson here. It's like, leave me alone, dad

749
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: after a while, little, well, let me let me right. Yeah,

750
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: you're right, you're absolutely. He's driving her there too, so

751
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, but I do think some of those you know,

752
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: as you see the look just like you guys, I

753
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: put my pants on one leg at a time, but

754
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: when I do big gold and platinum records, so I

755
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: have and she did, Uh she did walk out of

756
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: that joint. Well I probably shouldn't say because maybe the

757
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I R s will come after, but she did walk

758
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: out of that point with two thirty six bucks in

759
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: her pocket. So I like the thing awesome, the playlist

760
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: maybe had a little listen and my uh, my complaints

761
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: and my issues and my gripes notwithstanding, I do not

762
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: want to derail the around the NFL podcast now and

763
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: I just further NFL and away since you yeah, you know,

764
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: but it's fun. Since you brought up extreme, it does.

765
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: I love that whole era of music, the hair metal,

766
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: because they were also conflicted. They wanted to be like

767
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: badass rock stars, but then they got into this formula's money.

768
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. It was a little before your time,

769
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: I think in the in that, but like it was

770
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: like you had to have a ballot on there. So

771
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: then Extreme would put on More than Words and it

772
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: would be a huge top ten hit that everyone knows.

773
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: And then they would panic and be like, Okay, we

774
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: gotta name our album something rock. So they called it

775
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: Extreme to colon porno graffiti. More than Words is on

776
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: an album called Screen two Porno Graffiti indeed, And it's

777
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: all about the presentation. Um, all right, let's get to it. Money.

778
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: Would you mind sitting in for the rest of the show.

779
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: What the hell it all? I mean, as long as

780
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: Greg's okay with it? Oh see, there it is. That's

781
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: just that that is so perfectly just the stinging. Oh wow,

782
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: I thought you were just talking about you know. That

783
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: is how Gregor earned his reputation with just a very

784
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: subtle wow. Whenever you want to come on the show

785
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: and in your mind put Greg in his place, you know,

786
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: the doors always open, might open. Yeah, these these guys

787
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: are too they're too afraid to do it. I guess

788
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: I certainly not too afraid. But it's like when you

789
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: do this with Greg, he's never going to give an

790
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: inch or or say your side of it makes some sense,

791
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: and it just becomes a total derailment of the show.

792
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: But in this case, I thought, with you involved, it

793
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: would be fun. Yeah. Well, hey, he still stood his ground.

794
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: He then played the I was eleven years old and

795
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: playing with my mother, how dare you? Instead of just

796
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: saying you know what, you're right, I should probably celebrate

797
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: Dean and mentioned that he played Queen and he played

798
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: some of the other great staples back then instead of

799
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: ugly kid Joe, which is just a scourge. Nobody won't see,

800
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: you see even into the face and the facial expressions

801
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: for those that are watching. All right, let's get into it. Yeah, alright,

802
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: So as you have no doubt heard money as the

803
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: voice of the Chargers, you are plugged into NFL matters.

804
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: There's a huge new partnership with the NFL. Gregg, speaking

805
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: of as we get back to the NFL or getting

806
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: closer to the NFL, You're on fire about this new

807
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: UH NFL official UH partnership with various betting companies, and

808
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: you you were so fired up about it that you

809
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: made us kind of reconfigure the A block of our

810
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: TV show last Friday just to talk about it. And

811
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Mark and I were kind of shrugging our shoulders like,

812
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, this doesn't mean much to think the

813
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: producers didn't care. We Hey, we gotta get four minutes

814
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: in on Alden Smith getting four snaps with the Seahawks. Um. No,

815
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: let's have about talk about the NFL completely changing course

816
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: from what they've done for the last fifty plus years.

817
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: It's obviously been heading in this direction, but I did

818
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: think the announcement it was with Caesar Sports Book and

819
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: then DraftKings and Fan Duel, UH, you know about being

820
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: the official partners was pretty seismic when you think about

821
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: where the NFL was even when we started working at it,

822
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: Dan and marketing money, like how totally off off the

823
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: radar you couldn't talk about it was. It was the

824
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: third rail, and now here they are making business deals

825
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: with partnerships, and I do think it's going to change

826
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: the coverage on television and our network. And that's why

827
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was worth talking about two is that

828
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: I do think moving forward, it's going to be a

829
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: bigger part of the game and people are just gonna

830
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: have to deal with I would say I feel um,

831
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: not by you, Greg per Se, but just um in

832
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: general as I see thet the avalanche of enthusiasm that

833
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: will be attached to this kind of like forced to

834
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: be excited about, like the gambling vaguus side of things,

835
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: and like I'm not like someone that like pours over

836
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: um spreads and things. But like, what will I learn that.

837
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: I'll learn that you gotta be careful, right, They gotta

838
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: be careful not to turn off the people who don't care.

839
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: So it's it's a fine line. But you do think,

840
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: like I think quickly. Like Paul Horne suspended for the

841
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: year in the nineteen sixty three he was Tim Tebow.

842
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: If Tim Tebow was a Hall of Fame player, that's

843
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: how big of a superstar he was, and they suspended

844
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: him for the year for betting on sports. They suspended

845
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: Alex Carris, you know future Mr Papadopoulos on Webster. I

846
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: think it was for a year and like ever since then,

847
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: it's like the you know, they've been trying to stay

848
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: as far away from sports betting. That's the worst thing

849
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: in the world. And now it's like now that it's

850
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: starting to be legal and all the states, um which

851
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: our international listeners might not know, it's like slowly becoming

852
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: legal and all these different states. Now the NFL is

853
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: getting all about it because they're about that co op there.

854
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: They see it's a way to make some money. Well,

855
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, I you know, when you

856
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: mentioned Paul Horney and Alex Carris, I think it's always

857
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, important to remember the amount of money those

858
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: guys were making to play football at the time, right,

859
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: and that's what the great here was, so you've would

860
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: make more money, you know, through the world of sports gambling.

861
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: And conversely, they're great fear being on the take. Um,

862
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, playing football was not going to set you

863
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: up to you know, it's not going to give you

864
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: a pension. You're not gonna be able to live off

865
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: that salary to the rest of your life. So that

866
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: was their great fear, right. But now and I think

867
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: this is I think it's an addition to the fact

868
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: that it's become so popular. Obviously, you know, as you

869
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: mentioned Greg Draftings, Fan Duel, partnering with those two establishments,

870
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: and just look at the market to see what those

871
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: kind of companies are doing these days. But also I

872
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: think the fact that players do not want to risk

873
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contracts or even fifteen million dollar contracts

874
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: right to do something to furious that would put the

875
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: integrity of the game at stake. And so I think

876
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: with players salaries and trenched, at least those that perhaps

877
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: could have a huge impact on the game, save maybe

878
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: a kicker who could be on the take, but don't

879
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: have the overall impact in a game to be able

880
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: to determine the outcome right unless it's in the very

881
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: balance in the final sect and the balance on the

882
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: very final seconds. So I think that all came together

883
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: where the idea that players could be influenced, that the game,

884
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: the integrity of the game could be compromised. I I

885
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: find that very hard to believe, and I think that's

886
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: a big reason why we're not going to start going

887
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: down you know this road. And I think, like you said,

888
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, the interesting thing will be how they present it.

889
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: Is it a second screen, is it is it through

890
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: your computer screen only? Is it part of the TV broadcast?

891
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: Because you would assume with the fact that Fox has

892
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: Fox Bats right, that that they're gonna want some of

893
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: that and they're not gonna want it all go to

894
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, entities that they don't have a you know,

895
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: don't have cheese in the in the contracts for those

896
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: broadcasts themselves. So Al Michaels won't have to be so

897
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: um covert and you know, hyper subtle about his gambling

898
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: terrible bombs at the end of games anymore. Neither neither

899
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: will Greg. That's good too. And I think with the

900
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: Kickers too, just to be safe, I think we should

901
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: start sequestering them August to February, like the O. J. Jerry,

902
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: just like shut them to keep him out of the

903
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: world for five months and then reintroduce them to society.

904
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: All right, Speaking of Draft Kings, um they least their

905
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: NFL MVPs. So before we go today, why don't we

906
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: just kick around some interesting um uh players on this list.

907
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: It may not be a surprise to you, but Patrick

908
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: Mahomes is the favorite here with Aaron Rodgers right behind him,

909
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen rounding out the top three, but a

910
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: bit of a distant third. Um money. When you looked

911
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: at this list, was there a player and it goes

912
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: about that jumped out to you as someone that makes

913
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: sense as a potential sneaky MVP candidate. Well, you know,

914
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: there were a couple of things I think that that

915
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: jumped out. I mean one is and I think we

916
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: saw this with Aaron Rodgers this past year, right. I

917
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: think there's always a sentimental favorite, you know, somebody that

918
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: you'd like that. You know, man, Aaron Rodgers needs another

919
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: m v P on his resume. He's arguably the best

920
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, quarterback throw or whatever you want to tag

921
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: him with, of his of his era. Um. So, you know,

922
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: he was able to put the numbers together and they

923
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: were able to win enough games to to bring that propersition.

924
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: So to me, I think it's clear at least I

925
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: think I don't know, tell me if I'm wrong, but

926
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: someone who had to serve his time and to try

927
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: right for all those years, I would assume Matthew Stafford's

928
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: got to be the sentimental favorite, combined with you know,

929
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: everybody likes Sean McVeigh. He's great with the media, his

930
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: offense is fun. You could even maybe point to him

931
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: as someone that you know, kind of open things up,

932
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: even though it's Kyle Shanahan's tree that you know that

933
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: he is the fruit that fell off of He's a

934
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: big reason why so many of these offenses look the

935
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: way they do. So, I mean that's kind of your

936
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: sentimental favorite. Can can he put up the numbers? Can

937
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: he play at a level? Can the Rams win enough games? Um?

938
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: I think it's tough to to see Mahomes or or Brady,

939
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers win and one again

940
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: so soon. When Tom Brady put up in m v

941
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: P campaign last year, I mean he you could make

942
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: his compelling a case for him, and you could for

943
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Um. So I think all things being equal,

944
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: if they're all putting up similar numbers. You look at

945
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: what's become of the NFC South with the retirement and

946
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and you know, kind of a situation, Uh

947
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: with Caroline in Atlanta, it looks like they're probably win

948
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot more games everybody's back. So, um, those two

949
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: I think kind of stand ahead of others. And then

950
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: For me, I think the long shot is kind of

951
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: what we did with Kyler Murray last year, and that's

952
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, right, a guy who played behind the worst

953
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: offensive line in the league last year and still put

954
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: up for yards thirty one touchdowns in fifteen games and

955
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: was without Austin ekeler Um for for eight or nine

956
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: of those games. So I think that's kind of maybe

957
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: the categories that I see anything was they're close together.

958
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: You know, Stafford was fifth plus fifteen hundred, Brady was

959
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: six plus sixteen hundred, and Harvard's in the top ten

960
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: plus eighteen hundred, so they're kind of in the same ballpark.

961
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Herbert getting some love there. I'm a little stun at

962
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: Stafford's that high, ahead of Brady, just barely ahead of

963
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, ahead of Dak prescott Um. But there's a

964
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: narrative built into this. Kyler Murray to me, he's kind

965
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: of the middle of the pack here plus eighteen hundred.

966
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: He he jumps out to me as a guy to

967
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: get behind, because he can give you that one thousand

968
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: yards season and he could put a team on his

969
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: back and then at the end of the year, four

970
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: thousand yards passing forty four total touchdowns, a big rushing

971
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: year for a playoff team, and that makes sense to me.

972
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: He would be if I had pick one guy from

973
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: kind of the middle of the pack. Um at plus eighty,

974
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's my guy. See, I am totally with money

975
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: on Justin Herbert. He jumped out to me. I don't

976
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: think this team is going to be anything but enjoyable

977
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: to watch. Um, we've already talked about my Brandon Staley fascination,

978
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: so you know, I marry all this together. I think

979
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a different club. I am offended. Um

980
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: that Derrick Henry at plus thirty three hundred is below

981
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. I understand that Derrick Kenny is not gonna

982
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: run for two thousand yards again. But the idea that

983
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: Carson Carson Wentz just feels to me shot gun from

984
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. In this you, you more

985
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: than anyone else in this podcast, have spoke about what

986
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: annoys you about the m v P race and how

987
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: it's narrative driven and all that. Like, quarterbacks are kind

988
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: of where it's at. That's why quarterback almost always wins.

989
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: So I'm not talking about from what I think about

990
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz the player against Derrick Henry, who was a

991
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level running back. But when you're building

992
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: out odds for the m V Pig, I think it's

993
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: it's close that wins if he had a bounce back

994
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: season with Frank right on the Great Colts team, potentially,

995
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: I think that actually makes sense in terms of odds.

996
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, but I just don't believe it.

997
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: Like I just don't like Carson Wentz spotted that that's

998
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: what you're ultimately picking on. So I'm with Mark that,

999
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: like Carson Wentz is one of the worst quarterbacks in

1000
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: the entire NFL last year, there's little reason to think

1001
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: that he's going to be a top ten quarterback much

1002
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: that's terrible means you know, if you put a hundred

1003
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: down you would you would get three thousand. But that

1004
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: is that is the That is the thirteenth most likely player, though,

1005
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: which seems insane to me for a guy who it

1006
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if he's not a starter anymore in

1007
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: a year or two. And I love one guy above

1008
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: the pack. Here in the middle of the pack, I

1009
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: think Mahomes is easily the best way to go here,

1010
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: he's still plus five to me, I give him about

1011
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: a one in two or three chance to every season

1012
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: until I've proven otherwise, because he's just that good. So

1013
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: he would be my number one. But press Dak Prescott

1014
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: down around eight or ninth at plus SE talked about

1015
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: narrative driven. I think him coming off his injury, coming

1016
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: up obviously tough, you know year personally, and and just

1017
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: um getting that contract if he plays lights out, and

1018
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: I just think he's that good that he could do it.

1019
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: I love the Cowboys, and it's the Cowboys. Him in

1020
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: the middle of the pack is the guy that's that

1021
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: I would go before. So just you know, I think,

1022
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: as you've mentioned Dan, Hey, so what you know plus

1023
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: three thousand, you know what's that mean. I think it's

1024
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: also important to remember the reason those numbers are there

1025
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: is because they want action on those numbers. So they're

1026
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what is the number where we

1027
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: can get people to say, oh, you know what, I

1028
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: like Carson Wentz. You know, I remember the MVP campaign

1029
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: from three years ago, Hunter Bucks to win three grant

1030
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: let's go. So I think that's kind of which is

1031
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: why you see the numbers changed so dramatically when you

1032
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: kind of get out of the realistic candidates. Um. But

1033
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: I think to your point, Greg to to Patrick Mahomes,

1034
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, giving him a one in two or one

1035
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: in three chance. Um. I look at Josh Allen, right,

1036
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: and I think you just have to ask yourself, was

1037
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: it an outlier year or have we seen this steady climb? Right?

1038
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: You know from year one to year two and then

1039
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 1: from year two to year three. Brian Dable stays there.

1040
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: You look at their uh, their schedule a f C

1041
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: East obviously and then NFC and a f C South.

1042
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: So I think that's really friendly. You know, their first

1043
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: place schedule, get some of the Steelers, uh and the

1044
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: chief So you just kind of I think that's what

1045
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: you gotta balance, right. The guy's completion percentage was ten

1046
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: points higher. Is the passer rating was twenty five points

1047
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: higher than the year before those outlier numbers? Or if

1048
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: the Bills win again? We know they're always a great

1049
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: story and that's such a big part of it. Right, Oh,

1050
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Uh, they drafted Jordan's love. He's got no

1051
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: past catchers. They want to run him out of Green Bay,

1052
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be something to be at an m v PCs.

1053
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: Oh what do you know he did have an m

1054
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: v PC. You know people want that confirmation bias, and

1055
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: I think the bills were always that great story and

1056
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: um so to me, like as a that's a nice

1057
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: little nugget right there. It's how Alan got a few

1058
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: votes last year and my homes didn't because I I

1059
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: know he ended strong and I know he was great.

1060
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: You just can't tell me that Josh Allen was better

1061
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: than past. You know what, I started starting to like

1062
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: this uh Vegas stuff because I'm seeing something right here.

1063
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: It stands out to me and I'm gonna go take

1064
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: five out of the Sessler. I'm gonna drop it on

1065
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: Davante Adams at plus ten that in theory. But I

1066
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: just say, it's not even imagination to put Davante Adams.

1067
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: It's plus ten thousand, hello in theory. You know we

1068
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: can talk about it now. But as NFL. NFL I'm

1069
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: learning not changed, we are not we are not getting

1070
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: in the mix here, not out of the Sessler bank account.

1071
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: I maybe you know, am I allowed to tell someone

1072
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: else to do that? I would say definite. He sends

1073
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: us this integrity thing and we signed it. You've signed it.

1074
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: No one will ever hear this other than the four

1075
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: people on this right now. Feeling very temptive speaking of

1076
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: Vegas plus eight thousand for Drew Lock, You're gonna have

1077
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: to go higher than that to entice people to get

1078
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: in on that one. That is crazy to me. And

1079
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: then my my final thought is along the same lines

1080
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: as Dak Prescott um. It happens every September when he

1081
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: gets out to a hot start, everyone just is talking

1082
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson m v P. He's never one m

1083
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: v P. He's Russell Wilson is this year he wins

1084
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: m v P. The fact that that's already kind of

1085
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: a construct around discussing Russell Wilson helps in this type

1086
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: of exercise. So if if he is allowed to cook

1087
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: as they say, and has that monster season, the fact

1088
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: that he has not won an m v P and

1089
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: is one of the game's best quarterbacks of this generation,

1090
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: I feel like that at plus is a good pick well.

1091
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: And also I think you have the project who's gonna

1092
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: win the division, and right it's it's probably gonna be

1093
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: hard to win an m v P unless you're say,

1094
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what twelve win wild card team. You

1095
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: know you gotta be, you know, on eleven win wild

1096
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: card team. So what's you know for Josh Allen, what's

1097
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: the a s C East look like? For Tom Brady,

1098
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: the NFC South, for Patrick Mahomes, the f C West,

1099
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: And I think for Russell Wilson. Are we scared of

1100
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: a Niners team even with that great defense with with

1101
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback? Are you really scared of the Cardinals?

1102
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: And what are we gonna make? It's a good division,

1103
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: yeah it is, but I mean, you know what I mean,

1104
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: it's not like if you're trying to bet Herbert probably

1105
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: gonna have to knock off the Chiefs. And that's I

1106
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: don't know if they're ready to take that step. Yeah,

1107
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: maybe they are, but you know what I mean, Like

1108
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you got well in Russ. Russ

1109
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: unlike maybe any quarterback ever, I think he could change

1110
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: the game. He's he's gonna campaign. I mean, he basically did.

1111
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: He started. He started an m v P campaign last year.

1112
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: He got it going behind the scenes and in front

1113
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: of the mic. He's gonna be like the first movie

1114
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: producer that really started putting ads out in the trade

1115
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: papers looking for best oscars, best pictures. Whenever someone started

1116
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: doing that, that's gonna be Russell, willn't. They'll just start

1117
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: putting one page advertisements into Sports Illustrated to vote for.

1118
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: Or he'll just do what Notre Dame did for Joe Theisman,

1119
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: right and changes literally changed the pronunciation of the man's name,

1120
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: the Joe Bisman instead of Piseman. Whoa, I was just

1121
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: about to come after you from mispronouncing one of the

1122
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: great Washington quarterbacks ever. And there you go the collegation

1123
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: of his Remember remember Oregon made Joey Harrington Joey Heisman

1124
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: and they bought that giant billboard in Times Square when

1125
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: they were trying to get him to win the Heisman campaign.

1126
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because the old hot that's what they need

1127
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: to do, Greg. They just you take a page from

1128
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: the colleges about their Heisman campaign. You apply it. You

1129
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: know Russell can get his uh, I don't know, Team

1130
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: Cook whatever he calls him to get on that and

1131
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: just to start. Now plant those seeds money. You've you've

1132
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: said it all I do. I say too much three

1133
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: to seven pm. Petra's money if you're local. But actually

1134
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: you can get it anywhere now you can. Oh yeah,

1135
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: I wish they could see the tan that Money has

1136
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: surfing every day as a surfer right there, Me and

1137
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: the boys actually money. Um. We went to Manhattan Beach

1138
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: and got breakfast at this amazing diner called the Kettle. Yea,

1139
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: I love the Kettle. It's awesome and I had never

1140
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: been there. We loved it. And then we walked and

1141
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: the piers right there. We walked out on the bat

1142
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach pier and you had all the surfers out,

1143
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: and uh. I looked down at it. I did think

1144
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: of you because I know you're an avid surfer, and

1145
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I'm not going to be a surfer.

1146
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's not where I come from. It's not

1147
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: who I am. I don't like to imagine myself in

1148
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: the in the wet suit. It's just not gonna be

1149
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: something that I would do. But I looked at my

1150
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: two sons, who are California boys, and I'm like this,

1151
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: I feel like this is an attainable dream for you

1152
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: boys because it looks so calm and peaceful. What a

1153
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: great way to spend a Sunday morning. It is bring

1154
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: him down, Dan and Um you know, this is what's

1155
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: in their future. See that that's me getting attacked by

1156
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: the fins of my board. That was just today or Saturday.

1157
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: So that's been there. Something else a little uh where

1158
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: is it? There we go, Yeah, there you go, the

1159
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: spacing in the in the two fins on the side

1160
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: of the board coming up to get me because the

1161
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: way it was a little too big, and well this

1162
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: old man got a little too aggressive. And sometimes you've

1163
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: got to be reminded the ocean's boss, not the not

1164
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: the man in the ocean. We still go hang out

1165
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: at the kettle sometime, isn't that open? Twenty four seven?

1166
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I've I've seen many a many

1167
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: a person duck under that table and well lose a

1168
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: little bit of weight if you will, drinking. That's what

1169
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: I think of when I think, can you please tell

1170
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: Petro's that he brings me immense joy? And I find

1171
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: his wardrobe to be a total fascination. He tweets out

1172
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: in Instagram's little accouterments and pieces of jewelry. He is

1173
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: a very unusual man, Yes he is. He has his

1174
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: own style, unlike me who just rolls with solid polo.

1175
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: Nice surfer tan side part you complement each other. Well,

1176
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: exactly do you want to share with the audience money.

1177
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,479
Speaker 1: The most fascinating thing I learned about you during our

1178
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: Power Kings television show tapings was what you use as

1179
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: hair product? Oh, and I used it today. I use

1180
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: hand lotion. That is Uh, that's an old broadcasters trick.

1181
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: If you ever go on the road and you forget

1182
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: your hair gel and you've got to be on TV hotel,

1183
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: hand lotion doubles as it'll it'll hold your hair in place.

1184
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: Um and to this day, Yeah, this is this is

1185
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: just straight. Uh. I think this is gold bond. I

1186
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: think because you know, I spend a lot of time

1187
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: on the water, so my hands get super dry. So

1188
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: this is just gold bond. I know Greg is so

1189
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: fascinated by this. I would never have known how I'm

1190
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, no, it's try it. Give it. I

1191
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: know Dan would never, but I think I can trust

1192
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: Mark and Greg to give it. I have gold bond

1193
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: like literally up the hallway. So you know, I don't

1194
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: have your hair, but I mean when you got when

1195
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: you got it going on like this, you just go

1196
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: natural and clean shaven, clean shaven today for oh, by

1197
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: the way. I'll give you this little nugget before I go, Greg,

1198
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: because in honor of you in clean shaven, today's um

1199
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: dead guy birthday of the day is Richard Harding Davis.

1200
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: And uh, he would have been what a hundred fifty seven,

1201
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: hundred fifty seven today, turn of the century, big editor

1202
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: of the New York Evening, Son, Philadelphia Record, Philadelphia Press,

1203
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: very close friends with Teddy Roosevelt, would kind of mock

1204
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, we would kind of share all the exploits

1205
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: of the rough Riders, celebrate his victories and accomplishments as

1206
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: a man's man, but not the DMX rough Riders. This

1207
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: was this was a little just slightly before their time.

1208
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: But he's a very good looking man. And he was

1209
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: the person that was like, hey, with this square jaw

1210
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: and these features, I don't know what these people are

1211
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: doing with all the paws on their face, but clean

1212
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: shaven is the way I go. And he started a

1213
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: trend at the turn of the century of men actually

1214
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: going completely clean shaven. No mustache, no beard, no mutton shops,

1215
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: none of that because he had that beautiful face that

1216
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: he wanted to share with the world. And dude started

1217
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: shaving completely. Then so we owe it to him. Richard

1218
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: Harding Davis. There you go, Dickie Davil, Dicky Davis, wherever

1219
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: you are, Dicky, we doff our cap to you, yes, sir,

1220
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: and the same to you money. Thank you, buddy anytime

1221
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: for joining us and putting Greg in line. And remember

1222
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: it's an open invite anytime. If you don't think that

1223
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: Mark and I are keeping Greg honest about something, hop

1224
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: on the show and and have your way. We need that.

1225
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: We can bring on a heavy sometimes and you can

1226
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: play get sponsored. Let's get it sponsored. You got a

1227
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: nice job. Now that you mentioned it, it's like keeping

1228
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: kind of I got that but chin thing going. You know,

1229
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily as attractive. But you know what's interesting.

1230
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: I think, well that see, now this is not right.

1231
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that. All of my all of

1232
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: my issues, all of my points of contention, their trifles.

1233
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: They're they're you know, their ancillary conversations, they're add ons.

1234
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: They're not part of the driving narrative of that episod

1235
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: sod of around the NFL, you know what I mean.

1236
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: They're meant to be asides and then we just move

1237
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: on from the aside. But instead I hook into it

1238
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: and I can't let go. Uh, and it really is

1239
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: one of my great faults. So I apologized to be

1240
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: around the NFL list. You have nothing to apologize for,

1241
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the listeners enjoyed having you here. I enjoyed.

1242
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: Come back money anytime. Alright, that's taking the kids to

1243
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: the kettle at about two am. You know, give him

1244
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: the breakfasts like Jack carry wake up. We're taking a show,

1245
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: all right, this is uh. We'll be back on Thursday

1246
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: with another audio show, Friday TV show and yes, next

1247
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: week Draft week. We have five shows coming up. How

1248
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: about that all in the podcast variety? Uh so a

1249
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: lot coming up. This is Dan had to signing off

1250
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: four Quiet Storm, the old Boss, Ricky Hollywood behind the

1251
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: Virtual Glass and of course yes Matt money Smith and

1252
01:03:48,920 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: this gold bond until Thursday. Eat the call s