1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in Progress. Welcome 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: back to work in Progress, Whips Marties. As you all know, 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: I get particularly geeked when I get to interview journalists, 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: and today's guest is an American broadcast journalist that I 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: respect so much. She anchors the Sunday edition of World 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: News Tonight, She anchors ABC News Live Prime, and is 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: constantly traveling for ABC this year on the campaign trail. 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: Today's guest is Lindsay Davis. She graduated from Worstown Friends 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: School in New Jersey, earned a bachelor's degree from the 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: University of Virginia, a master's degree in communication from New 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: York University, and now travels the country making sure that 12 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: we all know what's happening in our world. She's doing 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: incredible election coverage this year for US, and in the 14 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: absolute lack of spare time that she has, she has 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: managed to write six children's books. Lindsay's latest book, Girls 16 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: of the World Doing More than ever before, encourages children 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: to use their voices, talents and intelligence to help the 18 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: world and raise awareness of girls and all the amazing 19 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: things that they do. And one of the things I 20 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: really love about her latest book is. She says she 21 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: was inspired to write it by her son. She wants 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that both girls and boys are on 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: the receiving end of positive messaging about women and girls 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: and all of their capabilities. I can't wait to hear 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: how she managed to write this beautiful book that wrapped 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: tears to my eyes while also making sure the rest 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: of us know what's going on in our country. She's 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: a superhero. Let's get to it, well, Lindsay, I'm just 29 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: so thrilled to be talking to you today. I have 30 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: like such a Annenberg student journalism crush on brains like yours, 31 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: and I really appreciated taking the time. 32 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: Thank you for talking with me, Sophie. I appreciate it. 33 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have a bajillion questions I want 34 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: to ask you, but I actually, rather than jumping into 35 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: the things you're working on today, when guests come on 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: the podcast, I like to ask them to take a 37 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: little walk down memory lane with me, because I'm really 38 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: curious to know when I sit across from someone as 39 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, accomplished as yourself, if from your vantage point today, 40 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: if you were to look back at your childhood and 41 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: you saw Lindsay at say ten years old, do you 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: see the through line to your career and life today 43 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: or were you a completely different kid. 44 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I think you know I was. 45 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: He's really curious. I was really competitive. I was really eager. 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 3: I've always been kind of a take the horn, the 47 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: bull by the horns kind of from kid. Really now, 48 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 3: I always thought early on there were kind of like 49 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 3: three stages of my thought as career wise. Anyway, early on, 50 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 3: I really thought I was going to be a lawyer. 51 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: I really wanted to argue cases in court, and that 52 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: was definitely what I was going to do. Then at 53 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: some point, I guess early in college where my first 54 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: year I went to University Virginia. 55 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: My first year you had to declare a major. 56 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, I'm so competitive, that 57 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: will it be difficult for me to have a job 58 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: where a career where I'm winning and losing all the time, 59 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: because I would I felt like I was going to 60 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: take the losses too personally, and so I felt like, 61 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: maybe that's not going to be good for balance. So 62 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 3: that decided I wanted to become a psychologist. And then 63 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: so when I had to declare my major, I majored 64 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 3: in psychology, and while I was at University of Virginia, 65 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: I studied abroad in London at University of Westminster my 66 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: third year, second semester, and that was the first time 67 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: I had fulfilled all of my college prerequisites for my major. 68 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: So I was able to take anything that I wanted, 69 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: and I took British literature among them, and I like 70 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: a lot of writing classes. 71 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: And while I was there. 72 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: And this is the most unique epiphany for me that 73 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 3: I think I've had. 74 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: I was studying abroad. 75 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: For well, I okay, so I was studying at Broad 76 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 3: in London, but in high school I had a Spanish 77 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: exchange student. 78 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: I was visiting her while I was. 79 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: Studying abroad, and I ended up for some reason in 80 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: the apartment by myself and I was watching last LOUTI 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: see us. 82 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: I was watching the news in Spanish. 83 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: At that point, I should have really understood Spanish really well, 84 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: but I kind of. So it was kind of like 85 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: Charlie Brown's mom, like what I was hearing like wah wah, 86 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: wah wah. But there was just this revelation that washed 87 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: over me and I was like, I want to do that, 88 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: And they're like I used to give like like twice. 89 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: This happened where I was giving a toast at a 90 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: wedding and people from the journalism field came up to 91 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: me and they were like, you. 92 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: Should be a reporter. You have a great voice. You 93 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: have such a good delivery and storytelling way about you. Wow. 94 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: But I hadn't really thought about it at that time, 95 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 3: But just in this particular moment, I was like, you know, 96 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 3: I could kind of combine my interest and curiosity about 97 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: people and telling their stories. And people had always said, oh, 98 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: you have this great voice, you know, presenter voice. Yeah, 99 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: And I thought, oh, okay, I could combine those two 100 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: as a journalist. And then from that day forward, I 101 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: just started taking the necessary steps pursuing journalism. I feel like, now, 102 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: it's so interesting. I kind of fell into it, like 103 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: I didn't have this, you know. And I was co 104 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: anchoring with David Muir recently, and I know from a 105 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: child he would you know, cut out cardboard box and 106 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: present as a TV in his living room and he 107 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: knew early on, and I didn't have that same drive, 108 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: you know, for this and passion for this industry early on. 109 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: But once it hit me, it was just like, no, 110 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: turning back and and ideally like this has been it 111 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: could I couldn't have thought of a better industry now 112 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: that I'm in it, Like this is ideal for me. 113 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: That's so cool. Well, that's another sort of totality, right, 114 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: Like the the aha moment for you was really clarifying. 115 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: It really was I And I guess I'm just that 116 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: kind of person too, where I get a mindset and 117 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: there is no like, I'm very focused. I love that 118 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: and yeah, so it was just very clear, and it 119 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: just combined a bunch of things. I love writing, I 120 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: love public speaking, I love talking to people about their stories, 121 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: and just now it's so ideal. And I never was 122 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: going to be a good like office person or cubicle 123 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: person who's just sitting in front of a computer all day. 124 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: That just wouldn't have fit me very well. So it's 125 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: ended up really working out. 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: That's very cool. When you first started your career, were 127 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: there are folks you really looked up to in the 128 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: journalism world or did you have like a mentor in 129 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: your particular office. 130 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny many of my mentors never knew 131 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: they were my mentors. So, you know, I once I 132 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: decided that I really wanted to get into this. I 133 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: really did start paying attention to Barbara Walters and Oprah. 134 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: Carol Simpson was always kind of on the TV on 135 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: the weekends in our house, and our local news was 136 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: always on. And there are certain names of people who 137 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: I really paid particular attention to. But I looked up 138 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: to them, you know, in the way of how i'd 139 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: watch like a Diane Sawyer or Barbara Walter's interview, how 140 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: they their style. But I didn't know them, but I 141 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: considered them to be mentors. Carol Simpson, now we actually 142 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: have a relationship, which I think is so cool because 143 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: she used to anchor World News on ABC News on 144 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: the weekends and now I anchor on Sunday. 145 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: So she'll text me after the shows and give me 146 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: her reviews. 147 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 3: And it's really really fun because she really was a 148 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: special mentor for me, and so to have this full 149 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: circle moment with her, to actually be able to pick 150 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: her brain about things is just fantastic. 151 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. 152 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: I know what you mean. 153 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: You know. 154 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: I think for me, the impact I experienced watching Oprah 155 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: as a kid is really it's what led me to 156 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: start a podcast. I thought that someone for an hour 157 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: and ask questions like I just want to do that. 158 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: I want to ask people about their lives. And I 159 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: really think it was her influence for me that as 160 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: this sort of particular vertical of media developed, made me go, 161 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: oh that that that feels like my version of the 162 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: thing I was the most inspired by as a kid. 163 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: I have to imagine she influenced countless young people, right, 164 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: and maybe older people too, you know, and she and 165 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 3: it's so interesting when I look at the through line 166 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: as you were mentioning before, for people like Barbara Walters, 167 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: Oprah Winfrey, Carol Simpson, they all talk about how they 168 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: heard so many no's, how it was like what they 169 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: wanted to do was so out of the ordinary, impossible, 170 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: and how all of them kind of fed off of 171 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 3: that and that, you know. I mean Carol has talked 172 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: about and wrote in her book, and so did Barbara 173 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: Walters about you know, how they kind of well, Carol 174 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 3: in particular said how she you know, ate bread, eate 175 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: nose for breakfast, and that like yueled her and it 176 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: was like you think I can't, I'm going. 177 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: To prove you wrong. 178 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 3: And yeah, watch, I just look at that, right, for 179 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: all of them, and they're various, you know, different obstacles 180 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: that they had, different hurdles that were unique to them. 181 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: But I find them also inspiring. 182 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: And to your point, I just think as so many 183 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 3: people have been inspired by Oprah Winfrey, no doubt. I mean, 184 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: she was in living rooms probably in a way that 185 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: that most people were not. 186 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: How do you think, because you know, you talk about 187 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: these trailblazers, you see how their stories really connect to 188 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: those of us in our generation who you know, whether 189 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: it's a hobby side hustle like mine or a literal 190 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: incredible journalistic career like yours. You know, we know what 191 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: women kick to the doors open for us. And sometimes 192 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: I wonder about, you know, being able to occupy these 193 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: amazing seats. In a way, it adds some pressure about 194 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: the way you've got to perform and the way you've 195 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: got to show up. And I wonder very often for 196 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: folks like yourself. You know, the news cycle now is 197 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. You're expected to be everywhere all 198 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: the time, You're expected to be well versed on everything 199 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: all the time, and you know, you're also really proud 200 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: to be here, and are there moments where it also 201 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: hits you the toughness of it, you know, the human 202 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: side of how emotional some of these stories can be 203 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: and how heavy the news can be. How do you 204 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: find the way to sort of balance your experience as 205 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: a human that's affected by all of this and your 206 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: pride and intellect as a journalist who is ready to 207 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: go all the time. 208 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: You know, I think that there are kind of two 209 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: different answers that I have for that, And one is 210 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 3: it is so nice, like when we were covering the eclipse, 211 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: just to talk about something that's refreshing and humanizes us 212 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: all and gives us something to be awe struck about 213 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 3: in a positive way where we're not covering you know, 214 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: the mayhem and destruction and death and murder, war these 215 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: you know, heavy issues. I always try and find a 216 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 3: way to balance, and I'm taking your question in two 217 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: different ways, but for me personally, because it is so heavy. 218 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 3: I do think I like in because I get this 219 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: a similar question often in that I. 220 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: Like in what I do too. 221 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 3: And maybe this is maybe an er doctor would say 222 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: you're totally wrong, but I think I would imagine the 223 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: first few times that they came in and treated their 224 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: first person with like bullet wounds, or they lost their 225 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: first patient, or you know, just saw the trauma in 226 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: its most raw pure form that it was probably like, WHOA, 227 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: this is heavy, this is a lot, but this is 228 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: what I find up for and now let me put 229 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: my head down and do the job. And I think 230 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 3: after a while, it's not that you become desensitized to it, 231 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 3: but you start to almost normalize. I guess that this 232 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: is the baseline of my job and this is what 233 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: I can expect every day, so you're not like blown 234 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: away by it, right, but it's still there are still 235 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: stories that stick with me and people I remember years later, 236 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: and those times where you are really, for me choking 237 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: back the tears, you know, of a mom who's you know, 238 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: lost their child or you know. I mean, there's so 239 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: many different scenarios I can I can bring up that 240 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: I really find touching in and a lot of it 241 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: for me. I have a son who's now ten, and 242 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: when I became a mother, things started hitting differently, you know, 243 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 3: school shootings, just these moments that at one point where 244 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: it was like it's about them, and in a way 245 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: it I think makes me a better reporter. 246 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: When you realize it's about us. And I started kind of, 247 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: you know, feeling that. 248 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: That's really beautiful, and the other direction I would say 249 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: with regard to women in particular and doing a job 250 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: and realizing there's so much on the line I have 251 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: to go back to and this is something that's really nice. 252 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: Like I was preparing, we had gotten up to the 253 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: day before of doing a presidential debate that I was 254 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: going to moderate this year, and it ended up being 255 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: canceled because Nikki Hali had decided she wasn't going to 256 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: debate Ron DeSantis anymore if Donald Trump wasn't going to 257 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: be on the stage, And Carol Simpson texted me simply, 258 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: you know, I know, and we then that started a 259 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: conversation because there are very few people who would know 260 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: in that moment, like what it's like to prepare in 261 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: such a way for something that then doesn't happen when 262 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: you were feeling a lot of pressure. Because we had 263 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: talked before about when she moderated her first presidential debate, 264 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: she was the first woman of color to ever do so, 265 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: and she talked about how she had women who were 266 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: like reaching out to her saying, don't let us down, 267 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: and she said, and then she had black people who 268 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: were reaching out to her like don't let us down, 269 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: and she said in some ways she felt like it 270 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: wasn't about like she was like just for me on 271 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: a personal level as an individual, I wanted to succeed. 272 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: But now I had a whole race. 273 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 3: That was on top of me, and I had a 274 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: whole gender that was you know, I was carrying this week, 275 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: and it can feel like a burden. 276 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: I think of the two bees. 277 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: Really, it's like half burden, half blessing, right, because it's 278 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: a gift to be able to be the face or 279 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: at the forefront of you know whatever, or be the 280 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: first in some way. But there's also many times I 281 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: think when you're a minority, and that might be by race, 282 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: or gender, or religion a number of different ways, or sexuality. 283 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: I think sometimes you feel like, gosh, if I feel 284 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: they're going to close the door for the next person, right, 285 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: And as a black woman, you know, I do feel 286 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: that weight still that if I somehow am a disappointment. 287 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: It's not just for Lindsey Davis. 288 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: It's not just for the Davis family, but it is 289 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: for you know, perhaps the black community, perhaps for women. 290 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: And so there is a difference. 291 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: It hits a little differently, and I'm always mindful of that, 292 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: and that's why it is nice to have, you know, 293 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: going back to your original point about the kind of mentor, 294 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: it is nice to be able to commiserate and have 295 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: a conversation with someone who's been there and who. 296 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: Knows, you know. 297 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: And that's why it felt so good just to get 298 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: her text when she said, you know, I know because 299 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: she did. And there are very few people sometimes who 300 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: can relate. And so sorry for the long winded two 301 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: direction answer, but it kind of just struck those two 302 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: chords with me. 303 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: Now, I really love it and I appreciate it. I 304 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: think the specificity of experience is something that as I've aged, 305 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: I've realized is so important. And you know, I saw 306 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: it back in the day when my mom was ill. 307 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: And it's like her doctor said, make sure you have 308 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: a support group, and she said, I have great friends, 309 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: and he said, no, no, no, you need a support 310 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: group of other people that are also on chemo. Yeah, 311 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: because nobody knows how it makes you feel like somebody 312 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: who's also honest. And I've seen that with you know, 313 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: friends that are pregnant at the same time with their 314 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: first babies, and I've seen it with friends in my 315 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: friend group going through divorces, like you need people who 316 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: are going through what you're going through. And when you 317 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: are often the first or one of one in a 318 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: room like you have been, and in so many ways, 319 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 1: you need those women who did their version before you 320 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: to help you process those feelings. You know, that's such 321 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: a real thing because you should just be able to 322 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: show up as lindsay, as a journalist, but you are 323 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: showing up as a woman, as a woman of color 324 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: like that. There are these added identities because of histories 325 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: of oppression that many of us have gone through in 326 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: our own ways that change your experience. Right, It's different 327 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: for you than it was for Walter Cronkite. 328 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: It just is right, right, right, that's really that's. 329 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: So cool that you have somebody who even knew to 330 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: send you that message. 331 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 3: Right, And I can't agree with you more And that 332 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 3: I was thinking when you were talking about with your 333 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 3: mom and going through chemo. When I had my son, 334 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: I ended up with preclamsy of the day that I 335 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 3: went into labor, and I had not had a high 336 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: blood pressure during the whole pregnancy, but that day it 337 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 3: was an issue. And my blood pressure still wasn't going 338 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: going down even after I delivered, and they had to 339 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: keep me in the hospital extra time, and I ended 340 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: up There was a male coworker I had whose wife 341 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: had had a baby maybe a few months before mine, 342 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 3: and she had had preeclampsia, and that was the first 343 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: time I had heard of it or knew anybody to 344 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: have it. So I reached out to him and I 345 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: was just like, I feel like everything that happens to me, 346 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: like I'm looking it up and WebMD is not your friend, 347 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: you know, because it's like anything that happened, I was like, 348 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I'm about to die. 349 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, anything on WebMD leads to cancer. 350 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: It's bad. 351 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 3: Yes, And I have to give so much credit to 352 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: his wife, who really was like Lindsay, I felt the 353 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: same way, like cause I was saying I really wanted 354 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: to get out of the hospital and as Suda, now 355 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 3: I'm home, I feel like I should be back in 356 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: the hospital, and I just I don't know, I feel 357 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: like I'm about to die and I'm going to stroke out. 358 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: And she was like, we did the same thing. I 359 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: told Jay, stop the car, turn around, let's go back 360 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 3: to the hospital. But anyway, I was kind of like, Okay, 361 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: so it's okay that I feel crazy, It's okay that 362 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: I'm feeling, you know, having these thoughts, and she had 363 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: that empathy to say, yeah, I was there, and I 364 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: just I just so agree with what you're saying. And 365 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: many people, you know, I've talked about before having a 366 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: preclamcy and then as a result that postpartum anxiety and 367 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: people were. 368 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: Like, well, why are you sharing it? 369 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: And I was like, because someone else sharing it like 370 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: saved me. And so I want other people to again 371 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: to try to kind of normalize. And I think that 372 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 3: that's so important, as you pointed out, just in all 373 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: facets of our life, to know like you're not the 374 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: first person to go through this. You know, somebody else 375 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 3: has felt this way and done this and had this reaction, 376 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: and it's it is so reassuring. 377 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really special. We'll be back in just a minute. 378 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: But here's a word from our sponsors. And you know, 379 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: I think people can forget with people that are in 380 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: positions like you look at you as being like top 381 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: of your game, top of the world. Really you know, 382 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: you know, probably unaffected and you're like, no, no, I 383 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: still need a whole support system, maybe even more because 384 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: you're going through these things while also shouldering this career, 385 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: this responsibility. But you know, moderating presidential debates, how do 386 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: you even prepare for something like that obviously, whether it 387 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: you know, gets pulled as an event or not. Like, 388 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: what what is that process like for you as a journalist? 389 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: Where do you even begin? 390 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: Well, we have a great team, and for fortunately, I 391 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: had done it twice before, so I would say that 392 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: first time I was doing it, I was just like 393 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 3: all nerves, you know, but but I just preparation was 394 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: the only thing that could kind of get me out 395 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: of that. And so I all of a sudden on 396 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 3: that day, I mean I had great I had researched 397 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: and and I just had like a calm and a 398 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: confidence first day that I did it back in twenty nineteen, 399 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: so I felt like this now was going to be 400 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: my third time, and it just felt like, okay, now 401 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: we we we know we so one are the topics 402 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 3: that we really want to cover? How are we going 403 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 3: to divide it up between the other moderators? And then 404 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: it's kind of like just having people who will do 405 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: some really deep dives on research on let's say we're 406 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 3: talking about abortion or gun control, Like, what is like, 407 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 3: give me every comment, every statement that that person has 408 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: ever made about abortion, Tell me everything they've ever said 409 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 3: about gun control. And that way, you know, we can say, well, 410 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 3: you know, five years ago you said this, but now 411 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: on the campaign trail you said this. 412 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 2: How do you square those two thoughts? You know? 413 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 3: So a lot of it is just kind of really 414 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 3: knowing somebody's stance and maybe how it's shifted over time, 415 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: and just really just kind of trying to pin down 416 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: someone's belief somebody's you know, point of view. 417 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 1: When you think about all these interviews that you've you know, 418 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: prepped and researched and been so ready for, is there 419 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: one it could be presidential or otherwise? Is there one 420 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: that stands out for you as being one of the 421 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: most memorable, uh moments of your career? 422 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: Again, I have such a hard time just giving you 423 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: one answer. I know, I'm sorry. 424 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: I feel like it's like asking a parent to pick 425 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: their favorite child or something. 426 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 3: You're like, what, well, well, one thing that I'll say 427 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: there there are two series that I one that I 428 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: created and one that I brought back revived from Charlie 429 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 3: Gibson and Peter Jennings. So theirs that they had done 430 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: years ago was called who Is and it sat they 431 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: sat down with all of the presidential candidates and they 432 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 3: wouldn't ask any political questions. So it was really more about, like, 433 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 3: so tell me what it was like being a middle child. 434 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: You know, tell me what when you were in college 435 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 3: you aspired to be. You know, like, how did you 436 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: know when you were first falling in love with your wife? 437 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: You know, it was just like getting to know the 438 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 3: character rather than their politics, because we all knew kind 439 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: of for the most part, we know kind of what 440 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: people think about guns and abortion and war, whatever it 441 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: might be. 442 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: So this was really getting to know the person. 443 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: And so we had a chance to do that this 444 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: past election cycle and that was really interesting to me 445 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 3: because I really like to just get to know people, 446 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: and so that's an overarching general. And then one that 447 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 3: I had done years ago, the running mates and I 448 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 3: only talked to the spouses. I sat down and did 449 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 3: interviews because this is the person who knows them best, 450 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 3: and you know, you're not just getting like the sound 451 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: by the stump speech or whatever. 452 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: You know, you're really like. 453 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 3: What is he like as a dad or what is 454 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: she like as mom, you know, or what you know, 455 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: you're just kind of getting that those intimate details about 456 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 3: a person, but to answer in a specific way, and 457 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 3: just because I have a political mind still on this 458 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: part reticular moment, one thing I thought was fascinating and 459 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: this interview I did was March of twenty twenty with 460 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton. So it was after she was, you know, 461 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 3: no longer in contention for president. It was all over, 462 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: she wasn't gonna run anymore, and she, you know, and 463 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 3: Donald Trump had just become president, and my husband and 464 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: I are in the process of running a half marathon 465 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: in each state, and right before it just so happened 466 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 3: because I was interviewing her on a Monday, and I 467 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 3: think that Saturday we had run in Little Rock, Arkansas. 468 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: Little Rock, Arkansas is where Bill Clinton's library is and 469 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 3: the airport is named after Bill and Hillary Clinton. 470 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: So while we're getting. 471 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 3: Situated and everything, you know, which is can be my 472 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: favorite part of the interview is before we start the 473 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: official interview and while we're getting miked up and the 474 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 3: lights are getting adjusted, you know, you're just kind of 475 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: getting an know the person, just very the introduction. And 476 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 3: so I was telling her, you know, I was just 477 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: in Arkansas and saw the library and this and that, 478 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 3: and she was asking, well, what brought you there? I 479 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 3: was telling her about the half marathon and then it 480 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: was over, and you know, you always have the handlers 481 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: who are pulling somebody away and like, okay, that's it, 482 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 3: no more time. And what I thought was so fascinating 483 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 3: about Hillary Clinton was her handlers were trying to whisker 484 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 3: her away. And then she just sat there and said, so, 485 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: where's your next half marathon? And I was saying, you know, oh, 486 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: it's it's in Denver, Colorado, and she said, you know, 487 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: if you can, you should get there a little early 488 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 3: because the altitude you might have difficult running. And the 489 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 3: fascinating thing about it wasn't the interview with her, It 490 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: was her as a human being, because I always it 491 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: was kind of so known that she had struggled, at 492 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 3: least from perception anyway, as like she wasn't this like 493 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: human person, you know, And I found this really striking. 494 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: And this is politics aside. This was not about again 495 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 3: her stance on whatever. It was just like she was 496 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: very maternal, she was very interested, she was very engaging. 497 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: She has this great. 498 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 3: Laugh and funny, and I felt like she never was 499 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: able to get that across to the American people. So 500 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 3: that was just as far as political interviews, that was 501 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: one that came to mind as one that stood out 502 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: to me after where I was like, Wow, she's really 503 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: such a human and I think that we never many 504 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 3: felt we never got to see that side of her. 505 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: M h, Yeah, that's really special because she is. She's 506 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: so kind and funny, and you realize people don't really know, right, 507 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: And I think that does speak to the immense pressure 508 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: particularly put on women, and especially women with ambition. 509 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know, there's such. 510 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: An incredible amount of judgment. And it makes me curious 511 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: about your latest project, which isn't about you know, your 512 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: news career. You're writing children's books and you wrote this 513 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: beautiful book called Girls of the World, doing more than 514 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: ever before. And I find it really special that you 515 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: talk about how important it is not only to make 516 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: sure girls see themselves as capable, but to show boys 517 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: that girls are also capable. And so do you think 518 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: that your own journey as a woman in this sort 519 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: of space of rarefied air, and you know, having interviewed 520 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: women like her who faced you know, gender oppression, Like, 521 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: has all of that led to you wanting to write 522 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: this book or was it something else that inspired you altogether? 523 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really kind of a number of things 524 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: that came into play. This is my six children's book. 525 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: My son had really, in one way or another, inspired 526 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: the first five, and indirectly, I guess I could say 527 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: that he inspired this one because I started realizing early on, 528 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 3: because you know, he's only ten now, but he has 529 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: very definite ideas of that's for girls, this is for boys. 530 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: There is a separation of church and state. There are boxes, 531 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: and and that was interesting because that wasn't something that 532 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 3: I felt. 533 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: We were talking about at home. 534 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: I mean, this was even like I remember taking him 535 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: to a birthday party when he was maybe four, and 536 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: it was a little girl's party and at the end 537 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: she gave out party bags that were pink and purple, 538 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 3: and even though there was really cool stuff inside, he 539 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 3: was like, I don't want that bag. Pink and purple, 540 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: those are for those are for girls, like and he 541 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: just has had and over the years, and I've kind 542 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: of tried to push back and challenge him on you know, 543 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: where do you think, like why do you think that 544 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: that you're never gonna cook. 545 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: You don't have to learn how to cook. 546 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: That that's for girls, that's for your wife to do, 547 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 3: you know, Like huh, But I think that that's so 548 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: in society, and boys get affirmation every day and in 549 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 3: a way that girls don't. And just to play off 550 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: of that particular word that you use with regard to 551 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton, ambition, I think that that's like a dirty 552 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: word when it's applied to a woman. 553 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: But for a man. 554 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: It's great for a man to be ambitious, you know, 555 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: but a woman who has drive and you know, she 556 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: can be trued it's like she's too bossy. You know, 557 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: it's negative. And so I really it became important to 558 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: me to have positive associations with girls from an early 559 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: Age's plant these seeds of positivity with let's be bold, 560 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: let's be strong, let's be brave, and those are all 561 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: words that we tend to hear associated with boys. And 562 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: I just felt that my own parents were able to 563 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: do a really great job in pouring into me this 564 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: belief that I could do whatever I wanted in life. 565 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: And somehow I believed them, you know, I just was 566 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 3: There was never a consideration that I couldn't. And I 567 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: just feel that there are a lot of parents who 568 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 3: want their kids to have that same thing, and they 569 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 3: may be pouring it into them, or they may not. 570 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: You know, perhaps this is for the child who isn't 571 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: hearing this anywhere else, isn't getting it anywhere else. 572 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 2: Or it's for the child who this is just going 573 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: to be a reinforcement. 574 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 3: But either way, I just think that it's so necessary, 575 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 3: and it's even like I said, for my own son, 576 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 3: it's important for him to read a book like this. 577 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: I think that people see this book and think. 578 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: It's entirely for girls, and I would say, you know, 579 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: it's just like for all of my books. 580 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: Leading up to this, this is super inclusive. 581 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: I mean, and we have girls who are all different colors, 582 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: all different you know, two who are in wheelchairs, one 583 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: who has a prosthetic leg, different religions. It's so important 584 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: and this has always been for me to be inclusive 585 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 3: in my books. But I often didn't think that we 586 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: are as a society so quick to we want to 587 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 3: digest and understand things by putting them into boxes. There's 588 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: not a lot of gray in society, and so like 589 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: my first few books, for example, had black and brown characters, 590 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 3: and I think that quite often people thought, oh, well, 591 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 3: these are just four black and brown kids, and it 592 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: couldn't be further from the truth because quite often I think, 593 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: you know, one for me growing up and for my 594 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 3: own son, we have books with all different colors of characters, 595 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 3: you know, And I think that that's important, especially for 596 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: people who live in an area that may not be 597 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 3: so diverse. 598 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: I think that one. 599 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 3: Easy way to dispel all these isms that we have, 600 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: whether it's sexism or racism, is to put. 601 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: A book or a toy, a doll in a child's. 602 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 3: Hands of somebody who doesn't look like them, so that 603 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 3: it's not unfamiliar. So because quite often we fear what 604 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: we don't know. And anyway, it's another very long question. 605 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 3: I'm reading that I'm super long winned because you know 606 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: what Soviet like. Rarely am I. I'm always one asking 607 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 3: the questions. I'm a prayer that I'm answering questions. And 608 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: now I guess I have all of this pent up 609 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: to put out there into the world. But yeah, I 610 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 3: just wanted girls to have that affirmation and not you know, 611 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 3: when you hear like, oh you throw like a girl 612 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 3: like that's a bad thing. But boys will be boys 613 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 3: and that's an okay. That's like anything that they do 614 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 3: is acceptable, and I just felt like it was kind 615 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 3: of time to change that. 616 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: I love that. And now a word from our sponsors 617 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: who make this show possible, and I think you know 618 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: words as you're saying, like ambitious. I loved that when 619 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: you talked about reflecting on your childhood one of the 620 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: words you used to describe yourself was competitive. Because a 621 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: competitive nature is also something that's really judged in women 622 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: and in girls. And I mean, we've seen it even 623 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: with the sort of hysteria around some of our greatest athletes, 624 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: the Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark narratives out in the world. 625 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: I was like, Hello, these women are gladiators. Let them 626 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: be these top of class athletes and respect them for it, 627 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: you know. And I it was astonishing to me that 628 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: college age women had to say we don't have but 629 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: we are competing when we're on the court, Like y'all 630 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: know that, right. I was like, this is a trip 631 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: that they are having to give people a lesson in 632 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: women's athletic ability while they're in the midst of march. Men, 633 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: it's like, are we really doing this? We're really acting 634 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: like these girls aren't competitive out there. 635 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: We never do that with males. I mean, can you 636 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 3: think of the anonymous scenario. 637 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 2: I can't. 638 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 3: We're you know, we're nevitting these these two males against 639 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 3: each other in this way, and it seems like it's 640 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 3: a false narrative, you know, when you hear the two 641 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 3: of them talk about. 642 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: It, absolutely, and I think it's important to hear them 643 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: speak on it, just like I think it's so important 644 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: for you to talk about the fact that you wrote 645 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: this book because of what you saw, and that, yes, 646 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: the book is for little girls, but it's for little 647 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: boys too. It's so important that we begin to see 648 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: each other as more whole beings, capable of all sorts 649 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: of ambition and feeling and emotion. And I do think 650 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: the younger we yet to learn that, the less we 651 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: have to unlearn in our adulthood. 652 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: Exactly. Yes, I've thought that with regard to again, all 653 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: the isms. 654 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 3: Kids don't start out with these ideas of what's good 655 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: and what's better and what's different. 656 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 2: You know. 657 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: I always think of my own son when he would 658 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 3: go off to summer camp and he's meeting kids for 659 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 3: the first time. He would never come home and say, 660 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 3: tell me somebody's race or religion or viewpoint. It was like, 661 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 3: they love legos too, they love. 662 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: Star Wars too. 663 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 3: Kids often think about what we have that unites us, 664 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 3: rather than as adults. I think we often think about 665 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: what we have that separates and makes us different. 666 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 2: And kids look with better eyes. 667 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: You know, And it's something that I think that that 668 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 3: adults have to try and rethink and get back to 669 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 3: the basics of just that pure way of looking at 670 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 3: the people around us and the world around us. 671 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that means girls of the world is for 672 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: all of us too, not just the kiddos. 673 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 2: In our exactly. 674 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm always mindful of the parents who are 675 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 3: reading to the kids that there's going to be a 676 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 3: good takeaway message for them as well. 677 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: Indeed, as you look at your year ahead, and in 678 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: particular for you as an incredible journalist, I imagine the 679 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: election is a big part of it. What feels like 680 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: your work in progress for twenty twenty. 681 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 3: Four, You know, I really need to find more balance. 682 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 3: That is something that I've really been trying to be 683 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 3: extra mindful of this year, in particular because you know, 684 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: I'm realizing as we just celebrated my son's tenth birthday 685 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 3: that you know, in theory, like in eight years from now, 686 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: he's going to be in college and out of the house, 687 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 3: and so we've actually had more time with him living 688 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 3: with us then you know, remains on the clock for us, 689 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 3: and it's just going so fast that I really want 690 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 3: to be more present for him and for me in turn. 691 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 3: I think quite often I have a hard time saying no, 692 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 3: and that is something I'm trying to, you know, get 693 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 3: better at, just to not cram my life. I tend 694 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 3: to put on this cape and try and be superwoman 695 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 3: and get everything done and fit it all in, and 696 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 3: then everything just ends up being rush rush, rush, and 697 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 3: task task task and cross it all up and and 698 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 3: so that's my my work in progress is getting a 699 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 3: little more breathing room into my life and and primarily 700 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 3: being able to, uh, you know, go for the little 701 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 3: runs that I like that clear my head and and. 702 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 2: Go to the school activities and and really just be 703 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 2: more present. 704 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah, a little breathing ass. Yeah, I love that. 705 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I hope we get to do 706 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: this again. 707 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: This was fun. I hope that I didn't you know. 708 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 2: Give you too many answers. No, you're perfect, thank you, 709 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 2: thank you for the time.