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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories, done.

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<v Speaker 1>Done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up and Us

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<v Speaker 1>for You podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host Kara and I'm Lisa, your other hosts,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are thrilled to be here talking about SVU

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<v Speaker 2>True Crime and no guests because the motion picture people

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<v Speaker 2>are fucking idiots. I was gonna say Watson, then I

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<v Speaker 2>held back.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll say twa. I'll say, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Really are getting so British.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have Well I told you this a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit ago, and well in Atlanta we figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>But Pimento Cheese is about to have a moment. So

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<v Speaker 2>if everybody it's out there, it's everywhere, and you should

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<v Speaker 2>all get in on the Pimento Cheese train.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going on tour and my mom is coming

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<v Speaker 1>to help with the kids, and so I was having

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<v Speaker 1>Jared pick out the blue Apron meals that he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to make for him and my mom. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>is a Pimento cheeseburger, and I was like, Lieze, is right.

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<v Speaker 1>Pimento cheese is about to blow up. Yeah, it's real.

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<v Speaker 1>I see it everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this Hilltop, which is a coffee breakfast chain

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<v Speaker 2>in La I guess that a chain. There's like a

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<v Speaker 2>few of them owned by Issa Ray. But they have

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<v Speaker 2>a pimento grilled cheese and it is not bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to know. Okay, what is in it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>What is pimento cheese?

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<v Speaker 1>Literally looking it up, I'm like, pimento cheese? Wikipedia?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there one?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Pimento cheese is made of cheese, mayo, and penentoes.

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<v Speaker 1>But what the fucker pimentoes?

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<v Speaker 2>I bet it's a pepper. But I did not know

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a mao in it, don't wonder. We

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<v Speaker 2>fucking love it?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course I love it. She's mixed with mayo.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, pimentos are like little red peppers. Like this

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<v Speaker 1>thing is like pickled cherry peppers. Also, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>But my friend from England it is funny, like she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are your normal pizza toppings? I'm like, I don't know, cheese,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll take like a sausage pepper onion if it's

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<v Speaker 2>the special kind of place, or like a weirdly pineapple

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<v Speaker 2>onion and she's like, oh, usually do a sweet cone

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<v Speaker 2>chicken and spin it. And I'm like, get the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. We're not getting sweet corn chicken mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>You fucking creep.

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<v Speaker 3>That pizza sounds nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>We would love a corn pizza, though, I think we

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<v Speaker 2>would as I mean, I do love corn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we right when we went to Vegas seeking out

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<v Speaker 1>corn pasta and we found it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I was the only one who ordered it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought everyone was gonna order it. What did I get?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I got vodka sauce because I love vodka sauce.

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<v Speaker 1>But you gave me one of your or so I

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<v Speaker 1>got my fix. I got my little light.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I had some of your vodka sauce, which

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<v Speaker 2>is good. But I keep thinking about that ricotta. Fucking ficasha,

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<v Speaker 2>that whipped honey ricotta. I I gotta go back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what good? There's an rpment we should go

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<v Speaker 2>before show at Park West?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the one we went to? Yeah? Oh, or we.

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<v Speaker 2>Could try something new. You know, we love to explore.

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<v Speaker 2>We love to explore, but I want more. Yeah, vodka

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<v Speaker 2>sauce is just so fucking good. I know you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I just found Barclays. If you're like in the VIP

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<v Speaker 2>during the sports, like during halftime, they have a little

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<v Speaker 2>catering area and it's Carbone.

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<v Speaker 3>No our Bone caters Barclays. Wow. Wow yeah. Yeah. I've

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<v Speaker 3>only been to Barclays once and I saw jay Z there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool? Is that when he took the train? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that where the concerts he took the train?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe it was so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so easy to go see stuff at Barclays because

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<v Speaker 1>you just everybody just gets out and there's space for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Like my least favorite thing about concerts is like in

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<v Speaker 1>LA there's so many beautiful concert venues, but it's like

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<v Speaker 1>we're all funneling out to the same parking lots in

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<v Speaker 1>the same area. But it's like Barclayser's like ninety entrances

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<v Speaker 1>and you all just scatter into the New York streets

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<v Speaker 1>after you know, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then everyone is singing on the train platform

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<v Speaker 2>or you're walking blocks from the concert together, like yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There's places to grab a drink like right there, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean if you want to like keep

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<v Speaker 1>the party going. Not so the case with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these la venues. But I also think they're beautiful. You

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<v Speaker 1>also go to an LA venue and you like look

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<v Speaker 1>at a mountain in the moonlight while you're watching a concert.

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<v Speaker 3>So I know we are in.

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<v Speaker 2>The time machine because in the future, you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have so much to hear from us.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm seeing Incubus this week. Oh my god, for good

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<v Speaker 3>at the Hollywood Bowl, right, yeah, yeah, baby base, Hell yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be up there for the Hollywood Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>because not to brag, last and we went my only time,

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<v Speaker 2>we sat so close.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah and for Backstreet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But now I'm sitting up but I'll be able to

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<v Speaker 2>see the view or like the fireworks if they happen,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like, yeah, it's a different experience, and I'll be.

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<v Speaker 1>I've sat nose bleeds at Hollywood Bowl and I love it,

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<v Speaker 1>like I love it every time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can bring a cooler of food.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like part of the gig, right, like you bring

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<v Speaker 2>stuff because that depends.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, it depends.

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<v Speaker 1>See the way the Hollywood Bowl works is that certain

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<v Speaker 1>of the events are Hollywood Bowl events, and then some

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<v Speaker 1>of them are like the Hollywood Bwls, essentially being rented out,

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<v Speaker 1>and when it's those you're not allowed, and when it

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<v Speaker 1>is you just have to like check the website and

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<v Speaker 1>see what the event things are. Because I have been

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<v Speaker 1>there where I've brought picnic snacks and bought my own

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<v Speaker 1>wine and everything. But there's other times where you're not allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I bet that's just for the symphony, and then

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<v Speaker 2>for the other concerts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like symphony like sound of music, sing along that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Our friend's daughters are fully obsessed with the sound of

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<v Speaker 1>music right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever been a sound of music girl?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was like obsessed when I was because we

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<v Speaker 1>did it at my school.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I was excited when the girls were

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<v Speaker 2>in the Spice Girls. But now it's the sound of music.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>They're weird for me.

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<v Speaker 1>They're literally like Hi on a Hill was a lonely goatherd.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're like singing all of the little songs from it.

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<v Speaker 1>They know all the words.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie's not into live musicals yet, but I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>until she is. I wanted to watch that New Matilda.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard that slaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder if that's that's the entry way, just

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<v Speaker 2>full orphan it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all full orphan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, full orphan for the first musical, and then all

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<v Speaker 2>the other musicals should be like where are the orphans?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it. Well, no, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean unless we really want to talk about Taylor Swift

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<v Speaker 2>and Travis Kelcey, but we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>If that's death, how much do you think talking about them?

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, how much do you think the NFL is

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<v Speaker 2>paying Taylor's lift?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I was just talking about with Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I went on Justin's podcast and we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this and.

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<v Speaker 3>Well plug Justin Martindale. Justin Martindale. Justin Martindale.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he has a podcast called Just Saying and I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling him your theory too. I was like, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>she's trying Lisa's theory or what she's heard is that

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<v Speaker 1>like she's trying to like maybe outshine Beyonce a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>just like during the end of her tour, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll say what did he say? He was like, that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. I mean, we were conspiracy theory about everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, my conspiracy theory about the housewives is

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<v Speaker 1>that they're all trying to do scan of all now,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we were just talking bounce and forth back.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, possible.

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<v Speaker 1>You know everyone's but he thinks it's a total PR

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<v Speaker 1>scam too, like everybody does. But people on the internet

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<v Speaker 1>were like, I was seeing on X yesterday kill me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe I'm even referring to it like that,

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<v Speaker 1>But are like, why would she need to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, there's always more. Taylor doesn't have every

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<v Speaker 1>single person in the world. I mean like, I feel like, right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're like a big there's always more people you

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<v Speaker 1>could get to like you and buy your shit and

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<v Speaker 1>be on your side.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this is everything that I've gathered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the redo of nineteen eighty nine Taylor's version, and

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<v Speaker 2>that era of her was all like hanging out with

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<v Speaker 2>their friends, bad blood supermodels. Like so it's the it's

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<v Speaker 2>that era again, and she wants to stay in the press.

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<v Speaker 2>She does it, and I think she wants to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in the press because Beyonce's tour is gonna make more

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<v Speaker 2>money and she doesn't like that. And it was ending

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<v Speaker 2>in Kansas City, and instead of talking about Beyonce's incredible

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<v Speaker 2>tour and how it was ending and all the magic

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<v Speaker 2>that she's created. We're talking about Taylor Swift at a

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas City game in New York. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just keeping her talked about and the right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So in that way, it's like good pr I think

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL is paying her because they straight up are

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<v Speaker 2>doing Taylor's version on their Twitter bios. They the commercials

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<v Speaker 2>for the Jets game was Welcome to New York, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they are try and Swifties.

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<v Speaker 3>Swifties change economies.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so now we have Swifties buying tickets, they love

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<v Speaker 2>buying merch.

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<v Speaker 3>They're coming to the games.

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<v Speaker 2>And now all these like dads are hanging out with

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<v Speaker 2>their daughters finally on a Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this what Elliott Stabler needs to hang out with

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<v Speaker 1>his kids?

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<v Speaker 2>And and then the other theory, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a next step up is is this Beard territory?

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<v Speaker 3>Who is gay? And who is protecting who?

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<v Speaker 2>And so that is another situation where some people believe

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<v Speaker 2>that Taylor, you know, none of these relationships.

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<v Speaker 3>Are real, maybe all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like professional wrestling to me, because like

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<v Speaker 2>you can know that it's staged and have a good time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, it's still skillful. You still want

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<v Speaker 2>to look at them. They're in shape, they're doing tricks.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in But at the end of the day, you

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<v Speaker 2>know they planned backstage what's about to happen. And so

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<v Speaker 2>there's those kinds of fans, and then there's marks, and

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<v Speaker 2>the marks think it's all real and not plan and

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<v Speaker 2>those are usually children or Disney adults, and those are

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<v Speaker 2>the people that are like, oh, you could tell they've

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<v Speaker 2>been dating because she's you know, she's so close to

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<v Speaker 2>his mother and it's like, you're an idiot, But we're

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<v Speaker 2>all having fun, you know. But do I hope that

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<v Speaker 2>they're two hot people are fucking and they're having a

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<v Speaker 2>good time and she's with like a real man who's

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<v Speaker 2>into her and the romance is incredible at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and maybe this is like the ultimate rom com

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<v Speaker 1>where it starts as a PR stunt and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all in love.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how many people have been set up by their

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<v Speaker 1>agents or whatever that are like this could be cool

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<v Speaker 1>and then maybe and then they do get married and

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<v Speaker 1>have kids and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, who knows, this is so funny. We are

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<v Speaker 2>recording this so early. By the time this comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're gonna be done. This is so embarrassing. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get messages like it's over with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>But sorry, this is like this episode is actually like

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like double time Machine because we're going

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<v Speaker 1>on the road and hopefully you guys are gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>see us and we'll get into that.

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<v Speaker 3>In a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, like so this is like her the

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<v Speaker 1>Arrows movie will have come out like over a week ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We are old ladies talking about did you hear about

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<v Speaker 1>this pretty little singer and the football man? Yeah, that's us,

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<v Speaker 1>that's us. But listen, if you're gonna show us hot,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're gonna show up for Taylor at a

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<v Speaker 1>football game, please show up for us.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's where we're going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, hold on, I just don't I just like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe that he would be a good enough actor,

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<v Speaker 2>like the way he's really playing it up.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Saw, but Rosebud posted a thing on her stories and

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<v Speaker 2>she was saying, how like when he was on SNL,

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<v Speaker 2>he had trouble reading, like the table reads kept taking

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<v Speaker 2>forever because you just can't really read that well. But

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<v Speaker 2>then she walked by his dressing room and he was

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<v Speaker 2>like with all his football friends and they were helping

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<v Speaker 2>him read lines, like they were practicing reading together and

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<v Speaker 2>cut it's so cute, and so she that's when she

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<v Speaker 2>realized she was pregnant because she was crying over how

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<v Speaker 2>cute it was, and she's like, I must be pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when she realized, oh my god, that's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the other thing, too, is like it's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>to read, it's another thing to like read funny dialogue

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the cast of SNL, who are professional

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<v Speaker 1>comedians and you're a football player. That's like, not what

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<v Speaker 1>you do? You know, Like, I'm sure the guy is literate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that's nerve wrecking. Anyway, after you leave Dave

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<v Speaker 1>and Busters where you're watching those two on at a

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<v Speaker 1>football game, please come see us on tour. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>comes out the twenty fourth wide.

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<v Speaker 3>Way I do. I am sorry, obviously we gotta plug

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<v Speaker 3>our tour.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also just love that, like men are so

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<v Speaker 2>like so sexist in their bones that they're like, she

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<v Speaker 2>better get a prina, you know, ah, she's just like

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<v Speaker 2>they or even the like the trend of like she

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<v Speaker 2>put him on the map and their piss. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>she is seventy five times more famous than him, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand why men can't like understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I really am dying to wait, hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to look this up.

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<v Speaker 3>How much is Taylor's worth?

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<v Speaker 2>She's over she's right now worth over seven hundred million.

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<v Speaker 2>By the end of the tour, she will be worth

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<v Speaker 2>over a billion dollars, I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's a football player that probably makes like a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty million dollar contract.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he's probably worth between thirty and fifty million. Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's not a poor guy, but like, no, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying comparatively. Yeah, he has a rough net worth of

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<v Speaker 2>thirty million. That is homes a million dollars. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>your home's a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like a nothing compared to fucking tailor. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is funny about the sexism because it's so true.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but the guys are back. Uh uh.

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<v Speaker 2>He put her on the map to guys who might

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<v Speaker 2>not know her, and it's like, but you.

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<v Speaker 3>Do know her, you know her?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah whatever, I'm a news swifty. I'm always late to

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<v Speaker 2>the party. No, I did see that in nineteen eight

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<v Speaker 2>nine tour. But like i've the pr is working. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just say this, I am I'm an equal Mark and

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<v Speaker 2>not Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love it, but yes we have shows to

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<v Speaker 2>promote and we are not millionaires and.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, not even close. Please come see us.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode comes out today, the twenty fourth of October.

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<v Speaker 3>That means tonight we are in Toronto. Baby. You guys

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<v Speaker 3>from Toronto have been begging us to come in here.

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<v Speaker 3>We're coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Please come see us Detroit, Michigan tomorrow the twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, the next day on the twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>and then guys, the Big Midwest tour. We start in

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<v Speaker 1>Salt Lake on the fourth, but then we go Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>on the fifth, Madison on the sixth, Minneapolis on the seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee on the eighth, Saint Louis on the ninth. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it's Sacramento, New York, and Philly in December. You can

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<v Speaker 1>check out all those dates that that's messed up live

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. And we have added a late show in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. Please get tickets for that. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>so sad to have the first show be sold out.

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<v Speaker 1>In the second show, just be like book Club size,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Uh So that's that on that?

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<v Speaker 3>What else?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we just get the party started with this episode?

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<v Speaker 1>We've got another hot episode from Sholy seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>About other very very timely things. So everyone knows when

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<v Speaker 2>this was?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What should we should do exactly? But yeah, Halloween's coming

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<v Speaker 2>up and that's a holiday I love.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh yeah, send us Semessa dm us if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be an sv related Halloween costume, we'll share

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<v Speaker 1>your costumes. I want to see some iced teas. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see some belsers. I want to see some

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I guess there's like some really funny

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<v Speaker 1>like niche ones you could do. Listen, like dressing as

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<v Speaker 1>Cynthia Nixon from Alternate with the Little pigtails.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, we should do SVU costumes. I know we should.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck Okay, we gotta star, we gotta start. I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be the guy from Charisma.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just I'll strap a bunch of.

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<v Speaker 1>Dead children cabbage badge dolls.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we have the same hair, like I truly,

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<v Speaker 2>I just have to put my arms out like Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll be charismas.

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<v Speaker 3>God. He was wild. He loved meditating.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna some more inappropriate ideas for costumes, but in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean time, it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're picking up a friend from the airport from

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<v Speaker 2>a different country and you're bringing American snacks, what would

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<v Speaker 2>you bring?

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think of an American snack as like Cheetos,

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<v Speaker 1>like probably like some candy, except people from other countries

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<v Speaker 1>hate our chocolate, like they don't like hershees.

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<v Speaker 3>They think it tastes sour. Oh. Interesting. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I gave her a gush and she's like, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what what that means in England and I'm like, yes, squirting,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not idiots.

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<v Speaker 3>But then she bit it. She's like, ooh, something's inside

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, the gush, you lose her, that's the gush.

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<v Speaker 1>God, this is so wild. This has been a truly

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<v Speaker 1>unhinged episode.

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<v Speaker 2>While we went to the beach okay, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if this is okay, there was a man obviously having

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<v Speaker 2>a mental episode or a really like intense LSD trip

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<v Speaker 2>like whatever it was. He had a really amazing setup.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason I wanted to sit next to him was

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<v Speaker 2>because he was playing like Luda Nelly, like early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>He played juvenile, So like, while we were picking a

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<v Speaker 2>spot at the beach, I go, oh, let's just be

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<v Speaker 2>by the guy with the speaker because he's playing music. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was drinking, he was he was having he was

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<v Speaker 2>reliving trauma loudly, and he was yelling like dead, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't you listen to mom? Like he was fully Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah it was. He's like, I'm the man of the

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<v Speaker 2>house now, like it was. But we didn't move, and

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<v Speaker 2>then a man with a really nice dog came to

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<v Speaker 2>like help him for a little bit. But for about

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<v Speaker 2>an hour he was reliving his youthful trauma out loud,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were there for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what you took your friend directly from the

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<v Speaker 1>airport to experience.

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<v Speaker 3>And there were pigeons.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, we can't just ever have a truly nice time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like there needs to be a little roughness

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<v Speaker 2>to our because one time when she met me in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, a guy was passing out and we had

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<v Speaker 2>to hold him on the train and walk him off,

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<v Speaker 2>and like there's always we're always just kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Invault.

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<v Speaker 1>She's basically coming from England to the us on a

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<v Speaker 1>humanitarian mission, like every time she comes.

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<v Speaker 3>She's here to help. I love that he's just like

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<v Speaker 3>I should be able to eat what I want.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he was just you know, as someone that researches,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so that a part of me is like,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully he's just like having a mushroom trip and getting

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<v Speaker 2>through stuff. Best case sitdy, worst case yeah, best use. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>his setup was really nice though. Okay, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>we gotta go. I'm sea sorry. Did you quote the

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<v Speaker 2>tour yet or do it? Have I interrupted you every

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<v Speaker 2>single time?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, against your best efforts, I have promoted the tour.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get started with the episode. We got a

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<v Speaker 1>good one from an early season. We're jumping in here

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<v Speaker 1>we go.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be doing the episode appearances, season four, episode nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though this is season four, it truly is

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<v Speaker 2>like looks like season one. Yeah, it's really old timey

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<v Speaker 2>feel vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>Case.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there's something really retro about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>it is season four, so maybe I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 2>just seems different. Yes, but also some classic tropes, some

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<v Speaker 2>classic classic favorite I would say, let's just get into this.

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<v Speaker 2>The bus doors open and a blonde Bob teacher is

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<v Speaker 2>addressing her class ready to board the bus, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, make sure everyone's with their partners. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>a famous Simpsons episode where what if the two partners

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<v Speaker 2>are missing?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I have my buddy, but what if you

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<v Speaker 2>and your buddy are gone?

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<v Speaker 3>Then fucked?

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<v Speaker 2>So this whole system of elementary school field trip logic

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<v Speaker 2>is not good. And she has a fur lined hood,

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<v Speaker 2>which uh of the era h and she has a scowl.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not happy about this, but what chaperone on a

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<v Speaker 2>field trip is. And then one kid tells on another

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<v Speaker 2>kid because this and that, and it's like, kid, get

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<v Speaker 2>a life. No one likes a narc and they're headed

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<v Speaker 2>to the Natural History Museum. But before that, the another

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<v Speaker 2>boy with glasses, he has an announcement. He's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>someone left their suitcase on the bus, and the and

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<v Speaker 2>then the boys like fits heavy. So the teacher acts fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone rushes off the bus. Sexy bomb squad man and

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<v Speaker 2>a helmet. They're ready to work. There's a guy with

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<v Speaker 2>scuba suits. They're extraying the suitcase, you know, the helmet

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<v Speaker 2>and the nerd are watching, and the nerd is like fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a bomb, it's bones. And also I noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that this is just like a normal city bus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. How are you taking a whole class

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<v Speaker 2>to the museum on a city I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking about that too, because I've ridden I've ridden the

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<v Speaker 1>New York City bus a long time. I've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>a class of children get on it. But I'm assuming that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you, if you teach on the Upper east Side

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to just take kids across the park

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<v Speaker 1>to the Museum of Natural History, when you just hop

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<v Speaker 1>on the Crosstown, I guess, well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Not in the suburbs you would get a school bus.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've seen field trips on the train all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen camps, I've seen the yurops. Yeah, someway. So

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<v Speaker 2>if it's for the train, I see it for a bus.

0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I just really grew up where you take a school

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<v Speaker 2>bus like this is so foreign. Yeah, so that was

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<v Speaker 2>really shocking that it was a city bus. But it

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense that there was, you know, a loose suitcase

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, we're on the case. The girl is

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<v Speaker 3>eight or nine? No ID? Yeah, what child has an ID?

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<v Speaker 2>What do they think that she was going to have

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<v Speaker 2>her her club Penguin card.

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<v Speaker 3>What id They're going to use the library card? Like

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<v Speaker 3>so wild?

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a passport card for Rosie and I

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<v Speaker 1>keep it in my wallet and it does look like

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<v Speaker 1>a baby with a driver's license.

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 2>And she was a real baby during that ride, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>it like so cute?

0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 3>She's five months old, that's so cute.

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So the girl was jammed inside a suitcase and left

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.719
<v Speaker 2>on a bus, not good and the driver doesn't remember anyone,

0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, yeah, I'm a I'm a city bus driver.

0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna remember every Tom Joey.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a bartender.

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a bartender on lonrd SVU where I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you who got on, what time, what they drank.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got a No one wants to merge. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>turning right. Okay.

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Melinda's on the case and she doesn't know the cause

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 2>of death yet, but there are ligature marks on the

0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>arms and wrists and based on something or other, and

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 2>there's just she was bound somewhere else and then put

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<v Speaker 2>in the suitcase. And then Benson is in a short

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.040
<v Speaker 2>hair swoopy bang era and she leans down to the body,

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and right away she notices a fresh, nice like French

0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>manicure and petticure, and she goes, that's a salon job.

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 3>And then there's dark roots and blonde hair.

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:35.120
<v Speaker 2>So this girl is made up and Maloney thinks she's

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 2>too young for all this flare, but Benson's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably kitty beauty pageants and they're like, uh oh, not

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:45.720
<v Speaker 2>a Jean Bennet. And yeah, it was really sad and

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the whole case and everything, but we as a nation

0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 2>really never discussed Jean Benet is a wild name, right

0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 2>for a little girl in Colorado?

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Was that ever brought up?

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Like, hey, guys, I know she's murdered, but can you

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<v Speaker 2>also explain why you get her that name.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm literally going to try to google it really quickly.

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's never oh, oh, okay, it was.

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>She was named after her father, combining his first and

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:16.120
<v Speaker 1>middle names. His name was John Bennett, and so Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Benet with the French flair. I hate that even more

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<v Speaker 1>than just thinking it was, like if it was just

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.119
<v Speaker 1>a fake French name, I would like that more than

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<v Speaker 1>naming it after having to name your daughter after her

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 1>dad's first and last name, like name her Joanna or something.

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's names that are can be feminized off

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 1>of John has to be full name. The men get

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.679
<v Speaker 1>the boys, right, The men get all the boys to

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:45.200
<v Speaker 1>be their little juniors. And then it's so weird. Also,

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 1>they have a son who's older. Why did they name

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<v Speaker 1>him John Bennett?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe the dad's as big of a creep as

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:57.679
<v Speaker 2>the dad in this Stay tuned, Yes, Benson, you know,

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.439
<v Speaker 2>she goes, wow, we have a dead beauty queen. Okay,

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 2>that's nice, and then done, done credits. We it's still

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 2>just a kid, and you solve the crime. We returned

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 2>to the morgue with a straight hair, ponytail Melinda, and

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>she goes, yes, there are fluids and the way she

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 2>died not good. Basically in her mouth was vomit and latex.

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>They also found sawgrass inside of her sweater, which only

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:25.880
<v Speaker 2>grows in the Florida Everglades. And there's more. They've realized

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 2>that she's had a fucking nose job. And then Melinda

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:30.160
<v Speaker 2>goes and a damn good one.

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta walk and talk brainstorm with Craigan and Munch,

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 2>but sadly nothing is really hitting or working no matches,

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>evidence patterns, like, what are we gonna do? Craigan's suggesting

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 2>if there are any local pageants coming up or recently happened,

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and look into those and with some luck, you know,

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 2>we'll we'll get to investigate the child beauty pageant scene.

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 2>But before they do anything, they need to talk about

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.439
<v Speaker 2>nine year olds getting those jobs. Craigan tells Benson and

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Elliott to go to the nip and to brigade and create.

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's just mom and dad, right, because

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>there is the doctors I don't know up. Brigade is

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 2>so funny to me. And then so that's what Benson

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and Stable are doing. And then Craigan and you're gonna

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 2>go catch the kiddie pageant scene. A woman who you

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 2>imagine in your head as a beauty pageant leader coach

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 2>person is up. Looks exactly what you're imagining in your head,

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>but also add a Mormon's style half up, half down

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.199
<v Speaker 2>hair do with a lot of volume and thin eyebrows

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.879
<v Speaker 2>very very two thousands, I mean fair, you know, like

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>big and into sperm. Well we've all had a sperm eyebrow.

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>And she's taken aback by their disdain for the pageants.

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 3>She's like, I'm really proud.

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>To help ladies' characters builds, you know, and the pageants

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.239
<v Speaker 2>called Little Angels. They flash her a Moorg photo and

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 2>her reaction is legit, like fuck, and it might be

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the first dead body she's ever seen. And I never

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 2>like how loose they are show dead body pictures to people.

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 3>It really bothers me.

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 2>But she doesn't recognize the girl, but it does really

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.159
<v Speaker 2>sadden her, and she says, that's nobody she knows, but

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:09.919
<v Speaker 2>they like, she'll go through the files of people who

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>did not get into the pageant. Bells Aer inquires about

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the security for the pageant, and she goes, we are

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 2>really strict about badges. How much are badges twenty five dollars?

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 2>So by strict they mean twenty five dollars. Do you

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 2>have twenty five dollars? Reagan takes a call and it's

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Olivia and she informs him that a girl named Sherry

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Lathan has just been reported missing in Valley's Stream and

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 2>so Olivia and Elliott are gonna head there now, and

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Bellzer finds her file. In picture, she has puffy hair,

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>blonde hair, green dress, huge smile, and it does seem

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>like pageants make her happy, Like she does look really

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>into it.

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 3>She has an l fanning vibe as well.

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 2>So then like it moves from that one photo of

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>her into a bunch of framed photos. We're at a

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 2>grieving parents home right now. The dad is a creep.

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>They've been competing for four years. Her friend did it

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 2>and so she really wanted to do it. And then

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the last patge it was three months before, right before

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>her surgery, and the sad mom is comotose and like

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 2>not in the moment, but gets out of the zone

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 2>to say plastic surgery, and you can feel she is

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>not happy about it one bit, and he sternly says

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 2>that's what she wanted, and she of course lets him know,

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 2>that's clearly what you wanted. No six year old asks

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 2>for a no shop and they ask why did it

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>take you so long to report your daughter missing? And

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>this couple is so strange outside of the dad being

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.239
<v Speaker 2>so into beauty pageants, the mom is so mad. I mean,

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>they did just lose a daughter. I take it back.

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>They can act how they want. So Anyways, she was

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be at Amy Prescott's house for a sleepover

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and then goes straight to school and that's where they

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>thought she was. That all seems kosher. I don't see

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>anything suspicious here. So the last time Shari was seen

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>was the dad took her to get new headshots and

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 2>then dropped her off at Amy's house. The mom is

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>so sad. Dad is a weirdo. I am reiterating. He

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>is very strange. And they ask if they've been to

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Florida recently, and the dad cries finally and he remembers

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.959
<v Speaker 2>Christmas at Disney World. They ask him for a DNA sample,

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 2>and he is actually calmer than a lot of dads

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 2>that are asked for DNA in connection to their daughter's crimes.

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>He is mad and defensive, but in a really calm tone,

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and he's teary, and he goes, I know what you're thinking,

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 2>and you're wrong. I worshiped her, and to be fair,

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>that is worse than being upset about the DNA. I

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 2>think worshiping your little girl is creepy. The nose job

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>is bad.

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe there's a doctor that would do a

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>nose job on a nine year old or an eight

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 1>year old unless you really had like a deviated symptom

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>that was making it hard for you to breathe, like

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you had some kind of like real problem, like just

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>a plastic nose job on a I don't know. We've

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>got people that listen to us, that like work at

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 1>plastic surgeon's offices that I feel can you please let

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>us know if you would do a nose job on

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>an eight year old, because I feel like that's weird.

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Your nose is like not done developing. Actually your noses grow.

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Your nose grows forever, so it's never done developing.

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>But go on.

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>So the next scene, they go to the friend Amy

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Prescott's house. Benson's talking to the mom while Elliott glares

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>at the daughter and the mom's plans. Amy had the flu,

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 2>so Shari went to school on her own, and the

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>mom offered her a ride to the bus stop, but

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, no, worries, I'll walk and it's only

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>four blocks. And the mom's like, fuck, I should have

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>insisted on driving her, but I didn't want to leave Amy,

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's and the daughter says, I'm sorry, and it's like,

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 2>it's not your fault. Your mom's an idiot, you know

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Your daughter with the flu can't be

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 2>alone for four blocks, like, I just I can't, I

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>really don't understand. Elliot leans in and asks Amy if

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 2>she's ever complained about someone bothering her, and she goes, yes. Kevin,

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>tenth grade, he bothered us. He would tell Shari she

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>looks hot and meant it, and he'd hang around the gymnastics.

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>He'd hang around our gymnastics practice and just stare at us,

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>And then uh oh, Belzer and Fann are talking about

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 2>this dude. He basically he writes fan fixture about little

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 2>children on the world Wide Web, and he even names

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>in the fanfic, like the character is Shari. This creep

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 2>is fifteen, and he convinced the sixth grader wants to

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>pose in a bikini for an art project. So Kevin

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 2>is in the barroom cement and Finn is playing rough

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and tumble with him, and the dad is like, fuck you, Kevin,

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>you skipped school, and it's like, I don't know your

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 2>child's also a pedophile. I don't know if skipping school

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the biggest problem you have today, and they go yeah,

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like he might never be able to go to

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>near your school again, okay, bet or worse, So he

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have an alibi, but he says he would never

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 2>touch her. They start reading the stories out loud and

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>he says, that's creative expression. And then he calls the

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>black Man and the Jew a Nazi. I don't know

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 2>which one, but it is pretty fun. He says, I

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 2>make stuff up. And they say give us DNA. He

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>says no. The Dad's like, the hell you will, So

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>we're team Daddy over here. And then then the kid goes,

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you fascist, I'm gonna sue, and the dad grabs him,

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>throws him into the chair, rips the hair out of

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 2>his head and goes, will this do. Melinda says no,

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 2>so no match. We're in the lab and it's no

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 2>match on the hairs. Finn Is like, we should still

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>watch him. He's gonna he's gonna commit a crime soon. Also,

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Melinda found just and the purpose ejaculate, which is a

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 2>female hormone. So it's given to high school girls to

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 2>prevent pregnancy cool or it can be taken as like

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>a testosterone blocker to treat cancer, or it's for people

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>undergoing males a female gender reassignment surgery, or Belzer says

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>to sex offenders to reduce sex drive and Melinda goes, yeah,

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>but no, because I found traces of testosterone in the blood.

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 3>And Finn is like, oh my god.

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>This this person is trying to reverse the effects of

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 2>chemical castration to rape the child. Finn calls him a

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>freak and we need to find him because he's not

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 2>going to stop. So, if you're getting chemically castrated and

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>then reversing it with tea, like, you really want to

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>be out there. So NYC doesn't allow chemical castration, but

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>nine states do. George is the closest one to New

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 2>York City and they're like, well, what about voluntary vibes?

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 3>And they're like.

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but why would you choose to do it and

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>then take testosterone? That doesn't make sense, And Beidie Wong's like, well,

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 2>he's done his homework. So Huan gets down and is

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 2>just like, this guy likes a perfect victim pageants sexualized

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>children who are innocent yet provocative. Bondage means he has

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 2>thought about it for a long time before he did it.

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 3>We need to find him.

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>So calls calls, calls state to state, but chemical castration

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been around long enough to have a centralized database.

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So finally Elliott points to Florida, and it's like, why

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't that be the first idea you found the sawgrass

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 2>from the Everglades. Why would he look anywhere else but Florida. Yeah,

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 2>you're calling Florida's the last call you make.

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm dead. I just can't even.

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>So they start finding names of people who've been c seed.

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 2>That's chemical castration for me. So one guy is a

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Rob Canoti from Milwaukee and he started treatments in Jersey

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>City recently, and so it's like, well, maybe he went

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to Florida and came back. He does have a rap sheet,

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 2>so and he one time straight up kidnapped a girl

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>from a beauty passian to try to assault her in

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>his car. So I think this is a great suspect.

0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>But the girl, thank god, escaped. She was ten years old.

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Very So we go to a Jersey City library. I

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 2>don't think this man should be working there, and right

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>away when he sees them, he's like, what, a girl's

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 2>been attacked And they're like, well, why would you say that,

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, that's the only reason you'd come find.

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Me, duh.

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And they say they want to talk about kitty beauty pageants,

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.760
<v Speaker 2>and they question him about Shari and he goes, well,

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember her, but it's hard to keep track

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>of so many different lovelies. This throws Elliott into a rage.

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 2>He throws the book out of his hand, corners him

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 2>into a shelf, and goes, where were you last night?

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 2>He was watching Nickelodeon. This guy does not stop, and

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 2>he says, don't worry though, like you found a jacular right,

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 2>so it can't be me. The urges, you know, started

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>to come back, so I had him cut off. He

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>pulls down his pants in the aisle of the library

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 2>and goes look and Eliot's like, okay, we get it.

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Pull your pants up. So then Benson gets a call

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 2>and one of the Florida names they got has a

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 2>mother who lives two houses down from Shari, and the

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 2>guy's name is Tommy Hedges. So Munch and Finn are

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 2>going to go visit the mother of the house that's

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:03.360
<v Speaker 2>next to Shari that her son's a criminal. And she

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 2>is eighties like she is like short mom, structured hair,

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 2>lots of heavy highlights, a sweater that like a teacher

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>would wear with like a cute scene on it, and

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.840
<v Speaker 2>she takes them around the house very nonchalantly. She's like, listen,

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 2>he hasn't come visit. He can't leave the state, but

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 2>his room is here for him. They see a van,

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 2>they want to search it. It's peculiar. It's the van

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.399
<v Speaker 2>piques their interest, and she says it was her late

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 2>husband's and she's keeping it for Tommy and she doesn't

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 2>drive it at all. But it's like, lady, you're dumb.

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 2>There's snow everywhere and the van is clean. We know

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>what's happening. She says that Tommy feels bad about his

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>past and he's changed and takes medication and has a

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 2>job in Florida and is determined to change. Finn and

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Munch dig through the garbage because she's not giving them anything,

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and Belzer is wearing earmuffs and a hat chic. The

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 2>mom runs out like, hey, bitch, stop looking through my garbage,

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 2>and Finn it's too late. He finds something from a

0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Mexican laboratory, pharmacia vibes liqud to testosterone, and they're like,

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 2>we know Tommy is coming home. She denies it and

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>they're like, his name and last week's data are on

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:07.879
<v Speaker 2>the meds. You're done, She.

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Says, ugh.

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 2>He got a job at an ad agency in NYC.

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Monday through Thursday. He works, then flies down to Miami

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to get his injection. He is cured, and so they

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 2>go to the ad agency. They find to me as

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 2>long hair, he's not as weird or pedo as the

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 2>other creeps in this episode, and he's really striking and smooth,

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 2>I would say, And he goes with them pretty quickly.

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Everyone in the office is a buzz and standing and watching,

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 2>and they take his laptop and go into interrogation. He says, listen,

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 2>nobody gave me a job in Florida. I had to

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 2>come home, and I don't like flying up and down,

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 2>but I do it.

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 3>And he's against the sexual Registry list.

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Aka lol, Like what forster?

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Against it?

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 2>He goes, it's hell for those trying to make a

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>new start, and it's like, okay, but you are a

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 2>pedophile rapist, Like I don't know what you want from us,

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Like you have to be on a list.

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 3>He seems sincere though you know.

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 2>He knows he broke parole, but he's taking his shots

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 2>and the parole office thinks that he's doing telemarketing from home,

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>so they show him the viole of testosterone and they're like, oh,

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>is this for a jet lag? He says, I want

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to live a normal life, Like what woman wants to

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>be with a guy who can't perform? And they're like,

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>do you count Sherry Latham as a woman And he goes,

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:16.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who that is. They show the pick

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and they say this is a nine year old that

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you raped and killed. He goes, this is a mistake.

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:23.879
<v Speaker 2>They say, hey, it's great. If it's a mistake, we'll

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:25.879
<v Speaker 2>apologize to you and send you on your way.

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, just show us some evidence.

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 2>So do you have flight info or what if we

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 2>find trace evidence in your van or DNA and fluids

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>found in the girl? Like, some of this will take time,

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>but we're not worried because you'll just be in prison

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 2>for your parole violation. So we're not in a hurry.

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 2>You're not in a hurry. And he looks stunned, shocked, gooped, gagged.

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Elliott asks what happened and he's doing the caring little routine.

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 3>He's like, just tell us, honey, we care. He cries.

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 2>He starts to breathe deep and says he noticed her

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>before the other girls and then he calls her a

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.279
<v Speaker 2>little princess and he starts crying more. And this is

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 2>a really quick to you know, in terms of sview format.

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 2>He offered her a ride. He just wanted to talk

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.959
<v Speaker 2>to her. She was really sweet and lovely. Benson asks

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>where he did it. It is in the van. She

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 2>was crying and saying she would tell, and he wanted

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 2>to keep her quiet, so he had to stop her.

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 2>So he gagged her and then he left to get

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:20.280
<v Speaker 2>some air, and when he came back, she wasn't moving.

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>He did not mean to hurt her, He just wanted

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 2>to rape and gag her. So then he said he

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>can control his feelings. But then he read the story

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:32.359
<v Speaker 2>what story on the internet? Pictures and words, Yes, that's

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 2>a story, but it was stuck in his head.

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 3>And then knock knock. Kraigan says, the lab got something.

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 3>You need to see this.

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 2>So we have friend of the pod, Joel de la Fuente,

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:43.720
<v Speaker 2>and he found forty kittie porn shots on this man's

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>laptop and one of the pictures is like the story

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 2>about he was talking about of Janet, and it's how

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 2>to stalk and rape little girls photos and like words

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 2>like the man said, and she's tied up in the

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 2>same way in position as Shari, and he copied exactly

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>what he saw. But also to me, I'm just like, well,

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 2>who care, like motive, like that doesn't matter, Like it

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter who inspired you.

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 3>It's like the Columbine shit. It's like, this is very

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 3>few times.

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not fully gung ho with SVU, and this is

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>one of them where I'm like, this is really a stretch.

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>So Cabot, of course, is like, this is a dumb case,

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 2>like he looked at pictures, doesn't diminish his culpability, and

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Sailor goes, yes, but Tommy deserves to be punished obviously,

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.800
<v Speaker 2>but so is the person who made this, and she goes, juries,

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 2>don't go for shit like this, bad Wong babbles, and

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Cabots like, nope, porn does not make people do things,

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>he goes, but it does desensitize him to stuff, and

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>repeated viewing could push people to look at more wild,

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:39.759
<v Speaker 2>degrading shit and then even act on it.

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 3>And so the murder.

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.720
<v Speaker 2>So she goes, oh, so the murderer has no choice,

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not buying it, and bid Wong is like, listen,

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 2>people are very succeptible, Like he was even more susceptible

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.279
<v Speaker 2>if he maybe never looked at the pictures after he

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>had already done something like that, like maybe he would

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>have never done it. This is crazy reasoning, okay, but

0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 2>basically he said, because he's done it before, he was

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>more acceptible to the pictures and if he didn't see him,

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 2>he might not have ever done it.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 3>Elliott wants her to like Aaron Brockovich.

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 2>This like this business they're focused on queens and they're

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>called Love Incorporated.

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 3>So they're like, fine, we'll go erin Brockovich.

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.839
<v Speaker 2>So there's a big raid and there's a young young

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>girl in pigtails making porn. But she is nineteen and

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.439
<v Speaker 2>she has a birth certificate and Benson's like, you always

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 2>have your birth certificate on you and it's like, yeah, yes,

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 2>she had needs an ID. Maybe she lost her idea

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.240
<v Speaker 2>at the bar last night, fucking judgy bitch.

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:32.319
<v Speaker 3>And he's trying to connect.

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 2>The case, but like she's like, I don't understand what

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 2>you want from me, and they're like, just get to

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the chase tell us who signs your checks, and she goes.

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Stanley Billings from Excel Entertainment and we see him and

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 2>his suit is very ill fitting, and he does like

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I don't do anything illegal. He's really just

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>a classic, ill fitting suit kind of man. And they're

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 2>all of age, he says. And this guy is played

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>by an actor named Brian Kerwin. He's the dad in

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Twenty seven Dresses, also some their svus. He has ninety

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:05.239
<v Speaker 2>four credits, including three hundred and eight episodes of One.

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:05.799
<v Speaker 3>Life to Live.

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>WHOA, Maybe that's how I recognize him. I used to

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>watch One Life to Live as a child. No, but

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 1>he was only on it from two to eleven. I

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 1>was done by then. I recognize him, but I don't

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>know what I know him from.

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 2>He's everywhere, he's everywhere. He works. He works for me.

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 2>He's twenty seven Dresses, because that's a movie I like

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 2>to watch. I used to support my airline that I

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 2>was loyal to, but now with all the changes they've

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>decided to make, I will not be mentioning them on.

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 3>This podcast ever again. Oh wow, but this guy seems casual.

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I do everything legal, and they're like, well,

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 2>this pick looks like a child. He goes, yeah, but

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 2>they're not. It's virtual photography. And we make them look younger.

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>It's ai, what do you want from me? It's not

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 2>a crime, and Benson's like, well if this is connected

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.120
<v Speaker 2>to a nine year old death, and he's like, lol, no,

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 2>not at all.

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 3>I've done nothing illegal.

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Benson screams, it's a murder manual and she blames porn

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.439
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, listen, take it up with the court

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 2>and not my fucking business. So now, Joel de la

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Fuente aka Taru says he uses software that ages kids

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 2>to find missing kids, but backwards, so that's how he

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 2>does it, and then he does it to Benson's face,

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 2>and it's really fucked up. And Craigan calls them sick

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 2>bastards and he's mad they aren't breaking any laws, and

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Cabot's like, no, I know. This really is a pickle,

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and Benson and Stabler are a dog with a bone

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 2>and they need to get this company, and Elliott hates

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court. Cabot's like, okay, okay, if we can

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>prove that Billings provided assistance to Tommy Hedges in the

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.319
<v Speaker 2>rape and murder of Shri, then it's facilitation. And to

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 2>get that done he has to make a deal with

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 2>she needs to make a deal with the devil, and

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the devil is Tommy, and she goes, listen, if you

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 2>help us, you don't get the death penalty. Trevor Langen

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 2>aka mister mushtra Hargate says, no, we need better, not

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 2>good enough, and she's like, he needs light at the

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 2>end of the tunnel. She says, fine, murder too, So

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years and he likes that it means he

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 2>can like get out and commit another fucking crime in

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years. So Cabot crosses her arms and starts

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 2>getting scooped. When did you start receiving emails from xed out?

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 2>So January, right when he got out of jail. They

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 2>immediately started sending ads for websites and they had little samples,

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:13.839
<v Speaker 2>and he was tempted, but he didn't give in until

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>he finally saw the story of Janet and there were

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a few lines and a girl dressed like a princess.

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:22.239
<v Speaker 2>These guys really love a princess vibe, and it was

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 2>very exciting. So he signed up and he read the

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 2>whole story and he wanted to feel the way that

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>he used to.

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 3>So that's when he ordered the tea.

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>And so that's enough information and they go and arrest

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 2>this guy for facilitating murder, the murder of Shree Latham,

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you're joking and they arrest him. So

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Cabit and Stabler walk and talk and she's like, this

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 2>is a really huge gamble, like I can still lose it,

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 2>and free speech is.

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Gonna be brought up.

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 2>And Barry Mordoc walks in and it's Cabot's old law

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:51.480
<v Speaker 2>professor and he's and he's like.

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh, we're going to be doing business together.

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 2>And they find out he's repping Stanley Billings because he

0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 2>loves the First Amendment and you know the game free speech,

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.399
<v Speaker 2>first murder. And so she says there's a case where

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.240
<v Speaker 2>if you publish instructions to aid someone in committing a crime,

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 2>then boom, baby, you are guilty. And he's like good,

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:12.360
<v Speaker 2>but it's not that it's virtual pornography and it is protected.

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Stabler keeps popping popping in and saying stuff and they

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 2>ignore him. They like talk over his head, and it

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 2>does remind me of his character and deep where he

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 2>plays the personal trainer who keeps talking and no one

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 2>respects him, and it's like, wow, I didn't realize they

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>were so connected.

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Stabler is a jock.

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, you know, Cabot and

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Barry tussle, and he's excited for the fight and happy

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 2>he taught her so well, and she goes, yes, and

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 2>remember this, the thing speaks for itself. If it looks

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 2>like kitty porn, then it is kitty porn. And then

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 2>he smiles and he goes, but there was no kid

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 2>in the kitty porn. So Melinda's on the stand and

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>she's talking about her vomiting to death with her hands

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>tied behind her back, and it's pretty gruesome.

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 3>Cabbot shows a drawing in the story of.

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Janet and it is identical on how they found the body,

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and so Tommy copy copied the website like every single detailed.

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Barry kept gets up and goes, what killed Shari? Choked

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.799
<v Speaker 2>on vomit? He says, So she wasn't choked by a photograph,

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't kidnapped by a story or bound and gagged

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 2>by a website. No to all the questions, and then

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Cabot knows she's been taken. Tommy's on the stand. Why'd

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 2>you kill her?

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Dude?

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.399
<v Speaker 2>He says, he never meant to kill her. He only

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>meant to rape her, which you know doesn't look that

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 2>good on the stand, but you know, we love, we

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 2>love someone.

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Who takes accountability.

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 2>He says he wanted to rape her because he couldn't

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>stop thinking about being with a little girl. And they

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 2>talk about chemical caustration again, and then that it did

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 2>work for over two years, but impulses began again after

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>he got out of jail and getting those emails and

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 2>advertising for child porn stories. He didn't sign up, and

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 2>he tried to ignore them, but the emails kept coming,

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and he tried so hard not to look, but he looked,

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they said, she's waiting for you, give

0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 2>her what she wants. The tears well in his eyes.

0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.439
<v Speaker 2>This man is talented. He couldn't think about anything else

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 2>he brought, so he bought the story and he copied

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:04.319
<v Speaker 2>the story in his actions, and it told me, you know,

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.720
<v Speaker 2>he says, it told me exactly what to do. Nothing

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 2>further for Cabot, but Barry's obviously going to fuck this

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.439
<v Speaker 2>guy up. He brings up a case for nineteen ninety

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 2>nine for the abuse of a thirteen year old girl,

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 2>and he goes and did a story make you do that. No,

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:19.800
<v Speaker 2>how about a ten year old in California in nineteen

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:23.719
<v Speaker 2>ninety five? Another story to blame? No, what was when

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 2>was the first time you were attracted to young girls?

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 3>That was porn?

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Or were you just sick in the head.

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I don't know, And Barry's like, stop trying

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:33.760
<v Speaker 2>to blame something else for your issues. And he cries

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and is like, they wouldn't leave me alone while I

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 2>was trying to control my feelings. And he says, but

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.799
<v Speaker 2>tell me, Tommy, did you enjoy kidnapping Sheri? And he

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:46.280
<v Speaker 2>says yes, And I'm like, lie, lie on the sand,

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing?

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 3>Can I also say that?

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 1>It says he that the chemical crustration worked for two years,

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:53.760
<v Speaker 1>but they were two years while you were in jail,

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>because the email started coming.

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Right after he got out of jail.

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Now I know, so for two years that you're in jail,

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:02.879
<v Speaker 1>not around any children, it worked. How can we say

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 1>that that's working there's no children around. Maybe you're just

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>like not having the thoughts anyway, And that just hit me.

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.280
<v Speaker 2>So so then he goes, did you have second thoughts

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:16.839
<v Speaker 2>over what you were doing? He says yes, and then

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:18.879
<v Speaker 2>Barry is like so you knew it was wrong, and

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:21.879
<v Speaker 2>he does, and he says yes, and he cries again,

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 2>why aren't you lying? Barry says, whose fault is that?

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:27.799
<v Speaker 2>He says mine, He sniffles. The porn guy shifts in

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:29.959
<v Speaker 2>his seat, like I have play and so I gotta

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 2>get out of here. And then the poorn guy is

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 2>on the stand. He goes, listen, I have kids. The

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 2>last thing I would do is make kitty porn. And

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.439
<v Speaker 2>then he said that he made this product for people

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 2>with youth preferences, and Cabot's like, you mean pedophiles, and

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>he's like, maybe a small percentagear, but hey, it happens.

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:48.760
<v Speaker 2>So she pivots and asks if he makes any effort

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>and to minimize marketing to sex offenders. He goes, we

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 2>market to people over twenty one who enjoy adult entertainment.

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 2>And so she says, you think child's rape is entertainment.

0:47:57.760 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 2>He says it is not against the law to explore

0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>the dark side of human nature, and they fight back

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:06.439
<v Speaker 2>and forth about kitty porn versus virtual pornography. He says

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a safe release, and she goes, you don't care

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>if it's safe or not. You just want people to

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 2>pay for your porn. Barry objects, Cabot says nothing further,

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.880
<v Speaker 2>but Billings goes to sit. The judge asks for counsel

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 2>to meet up at the bench. So the judge asks

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:23.840
<v Speaker 2>for counsel to meet at the bench, and Barry's like, listen,

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't have she didn't meet the burden of proof.

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 2>You're on her and the jury might convict for emotional

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:31.279
<v Speaker 2>reasons but no evidence. And the judge agrees she has

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 2>to prove that the defendant knew that Tommy was likely

0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 2>to commit a crime. She will dismiss the case and

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.839
<v Speaker 2>she only has it until tomorrow. Gavel Gavel, recess. And

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I love this judge's soft tone speaking voice. It was

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>very asmr and soothing to me. Cabots at the bar drinking,

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and Novak would never Novak would be doing work, you

0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Go write a report?

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 3>What are you doing at the bar?

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 2>So Craigan goes to check up on her, and she's like, fuck,

0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I need a smoking gun. And Cragan and co. Are

0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:03.120
<v Speaker 2>looking and they just can't find anything. And Cabot's like, listen,

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 2>this dude is all business. I just don't believe that

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 2>he did not target sex offenders, like, this is no accident.

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.879
<v Speaker 2>He Craigan orders a ginger ale and goes, I can

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 2>resist everything except temptation. And then that's a light bulb

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 2>moment for Alex and she's like, oh, She's like Hedges

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 2>said he tried to resist. I wonder just how much

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>he was tempted. And so she is coked up and

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 2>talking to Tommy in his cell. How many times? How

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 2>many times did Excel email you ads for their porn?

0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 2>He says fifty or sixty. He only opened one. He

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 2>deleted the rest of them. He selected opt out options

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to get off the list, but emails kept coming, so boom.

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Barry and Billings meet with Cabot, and Billings is yelling

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I got a ton of employees, so

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:52.800
<v Speaker 2>we made a mistake, like one request, like not my problem,

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and they go, not one request twenty one times in

0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a row. This is not an accident, it's a policy.

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Barry's like, nice, try out, but not aggressive advertising isn't

0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 2>against the law, and she's like, fine, we'll see what

0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the jury says. Barry gives his freedom of speech closing argument,

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.280
<v Speaker 2>and Cabot gets up and is like, obviously, Tommy's a murderer.

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:13.400
<v Speaker 2>But Stanley played a part in this crime and he

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 2>is morally guilty, but you have to figure out if

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 2>he's legally guilty as well.

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 3>And the answer is yes.

0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 2>They put a deadly weapon in his hand even after

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 2>he said no twenty one times, so you are responsible,

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 2>she slaid that. So now the jury comes back and

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 2>they've reached a verdict guilty.

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 3>He is shook. Cabot is shook. She looks proud.

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Barry says congrats, and he's like, I'll see you on appeal,

0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 2>and you got your conviction without stomping on the constitution.

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Way to go.

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:47.359
<v Speaker 2>He's very proud, and she's like, well, people are still

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 2>using AI porns, so maybe not a full success. And

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:53.239
<v Speaker 2>they enter the elevator together and he says everybody won,

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:57.799
<v Speaker 2>and she says not Cherie Latham, And that's the end,

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.879
<v Speaker 2>because it's not a game. Barry Mordoc, you wisted little guy.

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:04.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know, our girls really do work for the victims.

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 2>And this was a very beautiful end.

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's like this guy does have money, and Barry

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Mordock's right, like, he'll just appeal and appeal until this

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 1>gets tossed out. We've seen other cases like that. You know,

0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 1>like this is like, it's great that she got the conviction,

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.280
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think it will stand up for a while.

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 1>But thank you for that beautiful recap. Take a listen

0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:25.839
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0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 1>So I know that in this case they actually referenced

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 1>jean Benet, but if you watch the episode, like, there's

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.759
<v Speaker 1>really not that much of a similarity to it, Like

0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>the case like it starts with like a little bit

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 1>of a jambreet red herring, but it doesn't go the

0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 1>same way. So there's another episode, an SVU that does

0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.360
<v Speaker 1>reference Joan Benemore resembles Jeanne more closely. So I'm going

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 1>to save that for that. This case does resemble a

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 1>cold case from Utah, the murder of a three year

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:11.200
<v Speaker 1>old beauty queen named Rachel Runyan. I had no ideas

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I know, I had no idea you could put kids

0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 1>in pageants. And she was like two when she won

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the pageant. I think it was the year before she

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 1>went missing. So Rachel was the middle child with two brothers,

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:24.759
<v Speaker 1>being raised in Sunset, Utah, where the year before her

0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 1>abduction and murder, she had won the title of Little

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Miss Sunset. On August twenty sixth, nineteen eighty two, Rachel

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:34.560
<v Speaker 1>was playing in a playground fifteen feet from her family's home.

0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:36.239
<v Speaker 1>So the mom said she was making lunch and she

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.239
<v Speaker 1>could actually see her kids at this playground and she

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>was communicating to them, and when she called them in

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 1>for lunch, she was out there with her two brothers.

0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:47.400
<v Speaker 1>The kids came in back without the sister because apparently

0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.520
<v Speaker 1>a young black man had approached them and tried to

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 1>lure them with candy. The guy played with the three

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>kids for a few minutes, and I don't know why

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the mom didn't see that, but then they walked part

0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:58.359
<v Speaker 1>of the way to his car before thinking better of it,

0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and the older brother, justin age five, was like, Rachel,

0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:03.760
<v Speaker 1>don't go with him. And when Rachel turned to walk away,

0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:05.799
<v Speaker 1>the guy just grabbed her and put her in his car,

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:09.000
<v Speaker 1>screaming and took off in a blue nineteen seventy three

0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Ford Pinto Squire station wagon with woodgrain stripes on the side,

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 1>a very distinct car. Their mother called the police when

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 1>only the two sons return home. First, she checked a

0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:21.520
<v Speaker 1>supermarket because the brother said he was going to take

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 1>us to the supermarket for ice cream. So she ran

0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to the supermarket asking if anyone had seen this man

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>with her daughter, then called the police. Like, so it's

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:30.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes now, this is a missing white girl in

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two, So of course a task force was

0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 1>set up immediately. Through Justin and another kid who was

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.400
<v Speaker 1>also approached by this man at the playground, they were

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 1>able to put together a description that this man was black,

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>thirty to thirty five, six feet tall, medium billed, afro,

0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:49.000
<v Speaker 1>handlebar mustache. However, Jason, now an adult, has claimed more

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 1>recently that it was a Hispanic man who took his sister.

0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:54.359
<v Speaker 1>He thought that it was more. He was described as

0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a light, complexted black man. But this guy, Justin is like,

0:53:57.680 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 1>they believe the older kid because he was ten and

0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I was, but I think the guy was Latino. But

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:05.439
<v Speaker 1>the only witnesses were kids. There were no video foot

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:08.400
<v Speaker 1>there was no video footage, there was no forensic evidence.

0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Tips came in, but they ultimately went nowhere. There was

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:13.759
<v Speaker 1>a ton of publicity around this case. The parents flew

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 1>to New York City for a press conference. They went

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>on The Today Show, offered a twenty thousand dollars reward.

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:21.440
<v Speaker 1>It was big news back then and then about sadly.

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 1>About three weeks after her abduction, a family that was

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:28.280
<v Speaker 1>like playing in a stream in Mountain Green, Utah, about

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 1>fifty miles from sunset, discovered what they thought was a doll,

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:34.719
<v Speaker 1>but it was Rachel, naked with her hands bound behind

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:37.360
<v Speaker 1>her back, much like the victim in Little Cherie in

0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the episode Family I d'd her from a chip tooth

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:43.279
<v Speaker 1>and her ear piercings, but the body was so decomposed

0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:45.480
<v Speaker 1>at that point that cause of death was never determined.

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Her parents had a funeral for her, and her gravestone

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 1>read she brought a nation to its knees. So her

0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>murder prompted the Rachel Alert, which was a child's adduction

0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>alert system in two thousand and two, and it was

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:01.279
<v Speaker 1>used in the disappe pherence of Elizabeth Smart in O

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>two and in the abduction of three month old Nicholas

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Triplett in O three. Both kids were found alive, but

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:09.560
<v Speaker 1>then in three it was replaced by the nationwide Amber

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Alert system.

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Also, she died in eighty two.

0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 1>It took twenty years for them to call it the

0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Rachel Alert thing, But you know, I guess two thousand

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.320
<v Speaker 1>and two is when those kinds of things started coming out.

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:22.960
<v Speaker 1>The case also prompted the passage of the US Congressional

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Missing Children's Act in nineteen eighty three, mandating additional resources

0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 1>going towards ongoing missing children cases and getting descriptions of

0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:36.719
<v Speaker 1>missing children into an FBI National Crime Information database. And

0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:39.480
<v Speaker 1>in Utah they test the Amber Alert twice a year,

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and one of the dates is on eight twenty six

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the anniversary of her abduction. In May of twenty sixteen,

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the park where she was abducted from was renamed Rachel

0:55:47.600 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Runyan Memorial Park. Very very sad. And then this is

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:53.719
<v Speaker 1>one of Utah's most famous cold cases. They do not

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 1>know who did this. And in twenty twenty two a

0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:59.480
<v Speaker 1>woman claimed her uncle may have been the one who

0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:02.399
<v Speaker 1>killed Rachel, but the Sunset police like didn't really find

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 1>it credible enough to investigate, and so still at large.

0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 1>It's been forty years since she was killed and nothing.

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:14.799
<v Speaker 1>It's sad because it reminded me of that case that

0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 1>we covered in Conscience where the kid just went for

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a walk, like one hundred feet to his school at

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the end of the road or something, and somebody and

0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 1>a kid got him, you know, or but in this

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:26.839
<v Speaker 1>case it was four blocks in the shar relay than case.

0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:29.719
<v Speaker 1>And in this she was at a playground fifteen feet

0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:31.799
<v Speaker 1>outside the mom's window. She said she was making lunch

0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and talking to the kids like while they were playing.

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 3>So it's really so sad.

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.080
<v Speaker 1>But and like in the pictures of her, obviously her

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:42.279
<v Speaker 1>picture that's most publicized is like her as a beauty queen,

0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and she is very cute. But it's why do you

0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:47.439
<v Speaker 1>need to put two year olds and three year olds

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and beauty pageants?

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:48.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't get it.

0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Like by the time they're eight or nine, if they're begging,

0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you do. I still wouldn't do it,

0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.880
<v Speaker 1>but they're asking for it, Like a two or three

0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 1>year old, does she know what she's even doing competing

0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in a beauty pageant?

0:56:57.560 --> 0:56:57.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:01.720
<v Speaker 1>So this episode also deals with the legality and ethics

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 1>regarding computer generated child sex abuse material, which I'm just

0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna call se Sam from now on because I am

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 1>saying it so much.

0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 3>And this is a huge issue right now.

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Like when I google this, there were like ten recent

0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 1>articles talking about this, Like does this kind of material

0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 1>encourage predators, as the episode clearly is taking that stance,

0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:25.120
<v Speaker 1>or does it protect children by providing victimless child sex

0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.520
<v Speaker 1>abuse images? So let's talk about it. Because the dawn

0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:31.240
<v Speaker 1>of AI is upon us. This is becoming more and

0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:34.560
<v Speaker 1>more common. I found so much about this. The Washington

0:57:34.640 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Post said that in June that thousands of AI generated

0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 1>child sex images had been found on the Dark Web,

0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and that seems like thousands seems like a low number,

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:44.400
<v Speaker 1>like I would assume there would be millions, especially if

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:48.440
<v Speaker 1>computers are just like churning these out. Rebecca Portnoff, who

0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 1>is the director of Data Science at Thorn, which is

0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Ashton Kutcher's nonprofit about seesam and.

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Child trafficking that anymore, baby, Yeah.

0:57:56.520 --> 0:58:00.840
<v Speaker 1>But she said quote children's images, including the content of

0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:04.880
<v Speaker 1>known victims, are being repurposed for this really evil output.

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>So it's not just like you're creating like a child

0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:12.240
<v Speaker 1>like a child's sex abuse image out of nowhere. It

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:15.680
<v Speaker 1>is being mined from actual photos of victims as well

0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:19.560
<v Speaker 1>as just images of children. So Thorn has witnessed a

0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:22.400
<v Speaker 1>month over month increase in the number of these images

0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:26.520
<v Speaker 1>as of late, especially since chat GPT all this stuff

0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:30.280
<v Speaker 1>started coming into the fold really mainstream wise a few

0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 1>months ago. While there are systems in place to block

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:35.720
<v Speaker 1>these kinds of images from the Internet, the systems are

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:39.480
<v Speaker 1>designed to catch known child sex abuse images, not newly

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.160
<v Speaker 1>generated images. Like they can't just catch they can't just

0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:44.240
<v Speaker 1>like recognize what's a bad image. They just they have

0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:46.800
<v Speaker 1>to be told what's bad images. And this can fuck

0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:49.760
<v Speaker 1>up law enforcement as well, who are already underwater trying

0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to identify actual victims, which we discussed in Collateral Damages,

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Like remember the guy who was in the office was

0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:58.000
<v Speaker 1>just like the dead eyes, and like it's just a

0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 1>never ending like game of whack mole to try to

0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:04.000
<v Speaker 1>find who's behind these images. And so now they're gonna

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 1>have to spend time figuring out what images are real

0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:09.320
<v Speaker 1>versus generated, And it's hard to know how to prioritize

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 1>cases when you don't know. The Washington Posts had a

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.560
<v Speaker 1>quote that said Justice Apartment officials who combat child exploitations

0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.400
<v Speaker 1>say such images still are illegal even if the child

0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:23.000
<v Speaker 1>shown is AI generated, But they could cite no case

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:26.080
<v Speaker 1>in which someone had been charged for creating one, So.

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:27.959
<v Speaker 3>The legal area is very great here.

0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:32.400
<v Speaker 1>There's a company called Stability AI which runs a diffusion

0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:34.280
<v Speaker 1>model called stable Diffusion.

0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:38.320
<v Speaker 3>So diffusion models are like.

0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:41.240
<v Speaker 1>An AI tool that can create a convincing image just

0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 1>by typing in a prompt. So essentially probably it sounds

0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:47.320
<v Speaker 1>like what chat gpt does, but these, I guess are

0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:51.840
<v Speaker 1>more precise tools. Like one is called Dolly Dall dash

0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 1>E one is called mid Journey, and then Stable Diffusion.

0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:57.160
<v Speaker 1>These are a few of the big diffusion models. So

0:59:57.200 --> 1:00:00.280
<v Speaker 1>the company that owns that is called Stability AI, and

1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:02.720
<v Speaker 1>they said in a statement that they ban the creation

1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:06.080
<v Speaker 1>of child sex abuse images and assists law enforcement and

1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:10.120
<v Speaker 1>investigations into quote unquote illegal or malicious uses, and has

1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:13.640
<v Speaker 1>removed explicit material from its training data, reducing the quote

1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:16.520
<v Speaker 1>ability for bad actors to generate ob seeing content. But

1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the problem is the tool is available to anyone, it's

1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:20.760
<v Speaker 1>open source, and they can use it however they want.

1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:23.200
<v Speaker 1>So even though you click a little box that says

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I will not use this to exploit or harm miners

1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:28.760
<v Speaker 1>in any way, the features that flag this cut type

1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:30.600
<v Speaker 1>of content are very easy to get around. It's very

1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:32.400
<v Speaker 1>easy to like code around it. If you're just like

1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:35.160
<v Speaker 1>a person that knows computers and the trust me these

1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:37.400
<v Speaker 1>guys are on the dark Web comparing notes on how

1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:37.800
<v Speaker 1>to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit so stability.

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<v Speaker 1>AI's chief executive is named Amaud Mustack. He told Verge

1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:47.760
<v Speaker 1>another publication called Verge. He said, quote, Ultimately, it's people's

1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:50.320
<v Speaker 1>responsibility as to whether they're ethical, moral and legal and

1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:52.960
<v Speaker 1>how they operate this technology. The bad stuff that people

1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:55.320
<v Speaker 1>create will be a very very small percentage of the

1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:59.280
<v Speaker 1>total use. That's what this guy says. On dark Web,

1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:02.840
<v Speaker 1>pedophile fours users openly discuss how to create this c

1:01:03.040 --> 1:01:05.800
<v Speaker 1>SAM and get around porn filters, and one of the

1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:07.760
<v Speaker 1>ways they do it is by creating like by using

1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:11.120
<v Speaker 1>non English languages, which they don't think are getting monitors

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.880
<v Speaker 1>as heavily as English language stuff. They also chat about

1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:19.120
<v Speaker 1>creating fake underage personas to win over young targets online,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's not even just about making gross images. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a picture of me, and it's like a picture

1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:28.320
<v Speaker 1>of a little girl you created as a pedophile that

1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you're using to befriend another kid on the internet. AI

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<v Speaker 1>generated c SAM exists in a legal gray area because

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<v Speaker 1>fully AI generated images do not depict a real child

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<v Speaker 1>being harmed. And I think this might be what they

1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:42.640
<v Speaker 1>were talking about when they were railing against the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court in this episode. In two thousand and two, the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court struck down two provisions of a nineteen ninety

1:01:49.360 --> 1:01:53.800
<v Speaker 1>six congressional ban on virtual child pornography, ruling that the

1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:57.440
<v Speaker 1>wording was broad enough to potentially criminalize literary depictions of

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<v Speaker 1>teenage sexuality. So they they, you know, were like, oh,

1:02:02.040 --> 1:02:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you're the way that you're describing this is too broad,

1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Like we might not be able to have some of

1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the you know, literature that we have. It would be

1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:15.280
<v Speaker 1>too constrictive this law. So but the problem is, back

1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:20.960
<v Speaker 1>then generated Se Salem was pretty distinguishable from the Sea

1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Salm that featured actual victims. Like back then, it was like,

1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:26.080
<v Speaker 1>what is this Like probably looked like our PowerPoint presentations

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<v Speaker 1>on when we're on the doing our live shows, like

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<v Speaker 1>not very it's not very technically you know, advanced images.

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<v Speaker 1>But now the gap between those types of images has

1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:39.160
<v Speaker 1>closed almost completely. It's like very hard to tell the

1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:44.240
<v Speaker 1>difference between what is real and what's fake. So, according

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<v Speaker 1>to The Washington Post, two officials with the Justice Department's

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<v Speaker 1>Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section said that the images are

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<v Speaker 1>illegal under a law that bans any computer generated image

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<v Speaker 1>that is sexually explicit and depicts someone who is quote

1:02:57.040 --> 1:03:01.640
<v Speaker 1>virtually indistinguishable from a real child. So it sounds like

1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:05.240
<v Speaker 1>it's illegal, but then it also sounds like there's ways

1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:08.160
<v Speaker 1>around it. It's even if it's illegal, it seems like

1:03:08.200 --> 1:03:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it's impossible to police. Another federal law, which passed in

1:03:11.200 --> 1:03:13.160
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three, all around the time that this

1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:16.240
<v Speaker 1>episode came out, bans any computer generated image showing a

1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:19.440
<v Speaker 1>child engaging in sexually explicit conduct if it is obscene

1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and lacks serious artistic value. The law notes that, quote

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<v Speaker 1>it is not a required element of any offense that

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<v Speaker 1>the minor depicted actually exist.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>So that sounds like good laws, But I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if we are figuring out a way to stop

1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:39.000
<v Speaker 1>this from being disseminated so quickly and in such huge volume.

1:03:39.320 --> 1:03:43.760
<v Speaker 1>There are some proposed solutions, including digital watermarks, but that's

1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:45.800
<v Speaker 1>all just being figured out, Like everyone would have to

1:03:45.800 --> 1:03:48.000
<v Speaker 1>get on board with digital watermarks, like using the same

1:03:48.080 --> 1:03:51.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of system, and like one guy said, it's kind

1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:54.520
<v Speaker 1>of like we're we're doing this while riding a bike

1:03:54.600 --> 1:03:56.160
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. I forgot what his term was,

1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:58.240
<v Speaker 1>but it was like, we're basically we're building the plane

1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:00.920
<v Speaker 1>while we're flying in it or something whatever phrases, Like,

1:04:01.400 --> 1:04:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the whole technology is just growing and changing at such

1:04:03.680 --> 1:04:06.640
<v Speaker 1>a rapid pace. So the legislation obviously, as we know,

1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:10.640
<v Speaker 1>is what moves at a snail's pace. And a huge problem,

1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:13.919
<v Speaker 1>it seems also, is that this type of child sex

1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:16.959
<v Speaker 1>abuse material can be produced so quickly and such huge

1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:21.320
<v Speaker 1>quantity that it can serve to normalize sexualizing children or

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<v Speaker 1>make sexual abuse seem commonplace. Plus we forget that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of predators use these kind of materials to persuade

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<v Speaker 1>children that it's normal, like, oh, look, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to try this?

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<v Speaker 3>This seems normal?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like a fully generated image of maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>a child looking happy doing what they're doing. You know. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's really fucked up, and I hope we figure

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<v Speaker 1>out something with it. Another thing this episode touched on

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<v Speaker 1>that I do think is interesting is the recidivism among

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<v Speaker 1>child predators and like pedophiles. And I guess there's this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing where like an article came out many many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago that says that eighty percent of pedophiles reoffend,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently that tistic is just made up, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court has literally quoted that before, like everybody thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that's the statistic.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is so much information on the recidivism, and

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<v Speaker 1>I truly could not tell what was legit and what wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there were law papers, but it's like I can't tell.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm qualified to talk about such a

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<v Speaker 1>huge topic when there's so much information out there about

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<v Speaker 1>that and their studies, and I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>interpret studies because I'm not a scholar.

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<v Speaker 3>So but it is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I did read a bunch of stuff that was saying, like,

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing about child sex offenders reoffending? Is it overblown?

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<v Speaker 1>But you guys can check that out. The internet is

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<v Speaker 1>at your disposal, sadly, and that's that. Why is everything

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<v Speaker 1>so complicated? I know these I feel like they have

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out a watermark system, Like they have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out some kind of watermark system that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's going to stop what the people are

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<v Speaker 1>using this material for.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all too much, all right, Yeah, let's keep it moving.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's keep it moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, let's get it to our post mortem.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the post mortem is bleak because it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>child's computer generated sex abuse material is uh, child sex

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<v Speaker 1>abuse material is the future, and it's gonna be like

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<v Speaker 1>whack a mole. I know you're very good at wacka mole,

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<v Speaker 1>but it feels like it's going to be impossible whack

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<v Speaker 1>a mole to get rid of and.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting that I could not find like definitive

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<v Speaker 1>literature or like anything about whether pedophiles can be rehabilitated.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you do, like dangle this kind of material

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<v Speaker 1>in front of people, are they gonna bite no matter what,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they have been like, are doing chemical crasstration

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we just talking or are you doing it right now?

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing a post mortem?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you are? Okay? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I just felt like you were talking to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You usually don't really talk to me during these, so

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, what do you mean I don't usually talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you during these? You usually just present the post mortem. No,

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about what would sister PEG do when I

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<v Speaker 3>present it?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm like, have I been doing one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty episodes of you not looking at you during

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<v Speaker 1>the post mortem?

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck are you talking about? I fucked up.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you're doing what was sister peg and I

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<v Speaker 3>just got our friends and child.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense because Casey was just asking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, we should leave this all in.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was just looking at flights quickly because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I'll change my flight so I can

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<v Speaker 2>make it to our friend's daughter's birthday. And then you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at me and I'm like what, bitch, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be dark, and then we fully have lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're tuning in for the first time, we're usually

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<v Speaker 2>a little more on top of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're getting all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this in.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's fun. They need to see us, they

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<v Speaker 2>need to see us for who we are. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>there was one comment someone was mad at us about

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<v Speaker 2>something and they're like, how you portray yourself? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>we get to be ourselves. We don't have h I

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<v Speaker 2>guess we do have HR, but they don't. They told

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<v Speaker 2>me not to say cunt once and I said, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>walk walk. Are we feminism or are we not feminism?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to tell you. Yes, Oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is horrible. Pedophiles are horrible. Child pageants are horrible. I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, children should be able to like live their dream.

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<v Speaker 2>I always hate when it's like you shouldn't wear that

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<v Speaker 2>there are pedophiles. It's like no, no, no, kids should be

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<v Speaker 2>able to wear what they want, be what they want.

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<v Speaker 2>I think young children's girls should be able to not

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<v Speaker 2>have to wear a bikini top. Like what is this

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<v Speaker 2>fucking anti pedophile theater we're doing?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think children, you know, if volleyball uniform, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we should be able to wear what we want as youth.

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<v Speaker 2>But something about pageantry is not that for me. Pageantry yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's too It's like you're you're come and get it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I feel you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean fact, like I understand, like, look, pageants, when

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<v Speaker 1>you get older, when you're like in your teens or twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>people are like, oh, there's scholarship involved, like like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a philanthropy aspect. Okay, fine, if that's your dream, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but like once your post puberty and you can like

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<v Speaker 1>understand what like you know what you're even getting into.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't really get what a three or a

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<v Speaker 1>four year old or a five year old or a

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<v Speaker 1>six year old really is getting out of pageantry, like

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<v Speaker 1>just like having makeup on and doing your hair. But

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<v Speaker 1>happy to hear from parents of people who put their

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<v Speaker 1>kids into pageants that young. I just don't get it

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately, I think it's like mom's I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>parents living because that dad in the episode, like that

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<v Speaker 2>was for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if I worshipped her, I would like never

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<v Speaker 1>say that language about my children, but like.

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<v Speaker 2>Toddlers and tiaras, like it's like the mom is obviously like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>my kid is pretty, and I'm not so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do this to her, Yeah, no offense.

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<v Speaker 1>And then well yeah, or like I did pageants and

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<v Speaker 1>I never got that far, but I know my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>could get farther, you know, like that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, because I like the talent of

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<v Speaker 2>it all. I like the speech portions. I even love

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<v Speaker 2>the creativity, like put on a fun outfit. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's the the nose job in the episode, the eyelashes,

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<v Speaker 2>the wigs, the it's just it's the flipper or they.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a little flipper.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're missing their two front teeth, they get a

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<v Speaker 1>little fake two front teeth called.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean even I actually don't even hate the flipper.

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<v Speaker 2>The Flipper's fine because these these kids look disgusting with

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<v Speaker 2>the holes in their mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm for flippers. They have gap tooth. Bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm I'm pro flipper.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's what I'm That's what I'm part of.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, yeah, there's just better activities. There's just because

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, you know, I believe group sports, team sports

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<v Speaker 2>really help kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on to our what would Sister peg do?

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<v Speaker 1>Our weekly segment where we point you to more resources

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<v Speaker 1>that can help flesh out today's topics. I'm obviously not

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<v Speaker 1>going to point you to anything about child pageantry, but

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get eyes on an article about child

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<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse material that's featured on the site for National

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<v Speaker 1>Center for Missing and Exploited Children. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>data about how many victims there are of c SAM,

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<v Speaker 1>like what the overarching issues are.

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<v Speaker 3>The data is all there.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also resources for victims, so that's at the National

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<v Speaker 1>Center for Missing Unexploited Children.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Missing Kids dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's specific article that we're linking to in our

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<v Speaker 1>show notes as well as in our Instagram stories the

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for that very important and next week we'll

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