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Speaker 1: We've been getting so many awesome listener males. It's difficult

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Speaker 1: Godzilla movie. Keep up the great show, and feel free

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Speaker 1: Cheers Jet. I'm still really gonna lean on my idea

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Speaker 1: so we are going to head out now. We'd like

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Speaker 1: to thank too. We'd like to thank Jared. Where would

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Speaker 1: also thanks to David Dennis for writing how MLK influenced

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Speaker 1: to our composer Alex Williams who wrote our theme. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: thanks to you. If you want to take a page

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Speaker 1: from a Jet and two's book, go ahead and write

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Speaker 1: to us with your suggestions, your reactions, your feedback on

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Speaker 1: this and any other episode, and please do yourselves and

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Speaker 1: where we talk about animal spies. Come I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: leave it right there. Come see you guys later