Speaker 1: I've been on pretty extensive road trip, Like I've been
Speaker 1: on the road for three weeks and I'm still going
Speaker 1: to be on the road for another ten days. But
Speaker 1: part of the trip was driving from Portland to my parents'
Speaker 1: house in Sebastopall with another family. So it was me
Speaker 1: and India and Alex and then our friends in their
Speaker 1: car with their two daughters. And one of the games
Speaker 1: that we've were playing, like you know, we're doing all
Speaker 1: these sort of road trip games and stories and.
Speaker 2: Whatever, but one of them was the Cursed Item game,
Speaker 2: where like you.
Speaker 1: We stopped for lunch somewhere, we're all having We're in
Speaker 1: this little picnic area having sandwiches, and it's like somebody
Speaker 1: picks an object that is cursed, like whoever has it
Speaker 1: is and then throughout the road trip you're passing this
Speaker 1: item like you're cursing the person. So we picked like
Speaker 1: you know the little tabs that close up bread like yeah,
Speaker 1: those little pin Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we're like every so you do, like stop for
Speaker 2: gas and.
Speaker 1: Like one of the kids would be like hey ride
Speaker 1: or what and then you just throw it in your
Speaker 1: lap and run away.
Speaker 2: You're stuck with the cursed item and.
Speaker 1: Then you're trying to like, so it was just like
Speaker 1: this ongoing thing that went on for days, like who
Speaker 1: is stuck with the breadpin?
Speaker 2: But whatever reminded me of do you guys remember the
Speaker 2: clothes pin stuff that.
Speaker 3: We used to do?
Speaker 4: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: Memory? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do you remember what they call clothes pins?
Speaker 2: It's like a film set thing, the C forty seven No, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't know this yet. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So there's this whole thing where you call clothes pins
Speaker 1: on film sets C forty seven's, Like it's a technical term,
Speaker 1: and I think it goes back to like that was
Speaker 1: a it was like a billiing thing, like because if
Speaker 1: you were just buying clothes pins, you couldn't count it
Speaker 1: as like gear, but they would like call it a
Speaker 1: C forty seven, and then the studio heads wouldn't notice
Speaker 1: that they were spending money on clothes pins. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're called C forty seven's on sets, and that's
Speaker 1: like an ongoing thing experienced on almost every set.
Speaker 2: And I don't think people know about it because it's
Speaker 2: so obscure.
Speaker 1: But you try and take a clothes pin and you
Speaker 1: pin it to people, like a crew member who's like
Speaker 1: watching the set and you try it.
Speaker 2: We used to add like fifty of them.
Speaker 3: So many clothes pins, so you clip them to.
Speaker 2: Like the back of their shirt.
Speaker 1: That was like the primary spot, like where they wouldn't
Speaker 1: even feel it or know it. But then like, yeah,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, somebody might have like
Speaker 1: five clothes pins on the back of their shirt.
Speaker 4: And you got me Rusty's.
Speaker 5: Rusty's jean jacket was perfect for it, And so we
Speaker 5: would all just walk by and he'd eventually go to
Speaker 5: sit down or something and there would literally be ten
Speaker 5: or twelve pins on.
Speaker 4: The back of his jacket. So, oh my god, Kim, we.
Speaker 3: Started that, didn't We used to write something on them
Speaker 3: to our names? Did we write? Do we have our
Speaker 3: names on them? So you knew which clothes pin was
Speaker 3: from who.
Speaker 4: I don't even remember. I just remember it happened.
Speaker 1: It's happened on every set I've ever But my boy,
Speaker 1: we did it all the time. But it's like it's
Speaker 1: a tradition and it's like I totally forgot about it
Speaker 1: until we were doing this cursed item thing and I
Speaker 1: was like, why does.
Speaker 2: This feel familiar?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Right, we used to do this all.
Speaker 3: The time, so much fun. Speaking of cursed items, did
Speaker 3: you have you guys ever heard my cursed items story
Speaker 3: from Hawaii?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: No, okay, wait, like the like the Brady Bunch with
Speaker 5: the tiki doll.
Speaker 4: What happened?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't know that episode.
Speaker 4: Well, my god, famous, yeah, famous Brady Bunch.
Speaker 3: Anyway, okay, Well, on one of my many family trips
Speaker 3: to Hawaii when I was a teen, on Boy Meets World,
Speaker 3: we were playing in the ocean, as one does, right,
Speaker 3: you know, on the sand near the ocean, and my brother,
Speaker 3: who was probably no more than like eight at the time,
Speaker 3: eight or nine, comes running up and he's got a
Speaker 3: bone and he goes, look, it's a whalebone. It's a
Speaker 3: big bone. And we're like, a whalebone, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 1: And he's like the beginning episode, this is a human bone.
Speaker 3: It's a whalebone. Look at this whalebone. We're like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a whalebone. He refuses to get
Speaker 3: rid of it. He's like in a carry it around
Speaker 3: with him, so he takes it with him. Later that afternoon,
Speaker 3: we go on jet skis and we get jet skis.
Speaker 3: We're out in the middle of the ocean, and they
Speaker 3: have those emergency clips kind of like treadmills where you're
Speaker 3: can adadge it to yourself and fall off stops. So
Speaker 3: my dad is like doing donuts in on his jet
Speaker 3: skis as my dad would do, and the jet he's
Speaker 3: going really fast, so he's going at full speed and
Speaker 3: then turning it as quickly as he could and doing
Speaker 3: a spin. He goes flying straight up into the air.
Speaker 3: He gets like, I don't know what happened. He gets
Speaker 3: propelled straight up into the air. The emergency clip gets released,
Speaker 3: my dad lands back down on the jet ski starts,
Speaker 3: cuts his shin open, and the jet ski with the
Speaker 3: emergency key out of it, then takes off, just jet
Speaker 3: ski possessed gone out in. My dad is now in
Speaker 3: the middle of the ocean, bleeding from his shin in
Speaker 3: the water.
Speaker 2: It was the spirit of the whale. The whalebone cursed him.
Speaker 3: So there are now at least four or five other
Speaker 3: examples on this trip. After my brother had this whalebone
Speaker 3: and it kept happening to my dad, all these really
Speaker 3: bad things kept happening to my dad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and my brother.
Speaker 3: Finally one day we're going to Whaler's Village, which is
Speaker 3: the shopping center in Mali, and they have a museum there,
Speaker 3: and my dad goes, let's take this whalebone and show
Speaker 3: it to them and ask them if they have any
Speaker 3: idea what this bone is. It was a human femur
Speaker 3: that had washed up from the cemetery. The cemeteries there
Speaker 3: are their water levels have come up, and the ces
Speaker 3: it was a human femur, and they said, the the
Speaker 3: best thing for you to do is to take this
Speaker 3: back to the ocean where you found it and just
Speaker 3: throw it back.
Speaker 2: The beginning of every scary story. You're a voice at night?
Speaker 2: Where's my female? But it has to start as a
Speaker 2: whale voice, right?
Speaker 5: Who more?
Speaker 2: And then it's not a where it's not aware, it's not.
Speaker 3: But we then after we knew this, my dad was like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, all these awful things have been happening
Speaker 3: to me ever since we've been in possession of this
Speaker 3: cursed item.
Speaker 4: So this happened.
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of the making of what was
Speaker 5: it Poltergeist or Poultergeist too?
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard?
Speaker 5: So they were literally kept having all these accidents, people
Speaker 5: getting hurt, the sets were crashing, all this stuff was
Speaker 5: going on, and one of the cast members was like,
Speaker 5: the skeletons we have, where did you get these? And
Speaker 5: it turns out they were actual human skeletons that they
Speaker 5: got from like a medical lab, and they were a
Speaker 5: Native American shaman came in and performed these rituals and
Speaker 5: they took the bodies away.
Speaker 4: And all the accidents stopped, like instantly.
Speaker 5: It was like, it's one of the most famous Hollywood
Speaker 5: cursed kind of shooting a movie stories ever where even
Speaker 5: Craig T.
Speaker 4: Nelson is like, it was the craziest thing.
Speaker 5: I don't believe in any of this stuff, and we
Speaker 5: just people were getting hurt stuff, the film wasn't coming
Speaker 5: out right. Is like everything was wrong with this shoot
Speaker 5: and turned out there at using actual human human bodies, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Gosh crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but were they putting close pints on the skeletons?
Speaker 1: I know where they put the skeletons. Fifty clothes pins
Speaker 1: on that skeleton. Forty seven trick Oh my, Welcome.
Speaker 3: To Pod meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm Rider Strong,
Speaker 3: and I'm Wilfridill. When we hit the midway point of
Speaker 3: Boy Meets World episodes to recap. We held a bit
Speaker 3: of a family reunion, inviting all of guests we had
Speaker 3: had on the first half of the Show's all to
Speaker 3: Writer's House for a bit of a Korean barbecue party. Right,
Speaker 3: that's the food you had. We had Korean barbecue, right, No,
Speaker 3: we had tacos.
Speaker 4: Your taco guy was there?
Speaker 2: Really? Y? Yeah, Korean barbecue?
Speaker 6: Is my birthday?
Speaker 2: Oh that was my birthday.
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny. Jensen's not on here. He's
Speaker 3: going to be real happy to hear that. He insisted
Speaker 3: it was tacos, and.
Speaker 4: I said it was. It was a taco guy.
Speaker 3: A writer and Alex hate tacos. We wouldn't never have
Speaker 3: had tacos. And he was like, but I think we did,
Speaker 3: And I said, no, it was. There was a guy
Speaker 3: with a grill. And then I started describing your birthday party.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, tacos.
Speaker 3: Remember this moment, Jensen was right about something.
Speaker 2: We all heard it, but he didn't.
Speaker 3: You didn't tell him later, She's.
Speaker 4: Never going to tell herself.
Speaker 3: Come on, tell him, tell he did. There's a win
Speaker 3: every five years, all to Writer's House for a taco party,
Speaker 3: marking the first time most of our beloved co workers
Speaker 3: were in the same place since the show wrapped in
Speaker 3: the year two thousand and one. Unexpected by product of
Speaker 3: that day was getting to hang out with this week's guest,
Speaker 3: someone who hadn't yet appeared on the pod, but is
Speaker 3: dating one of our favorite guest stars, Natanya Ross. And
Speaker 3: so like when you find a five dollar bill in
Speaker 3: a vintage jacket you bought off eBay, his attendance was
Speaker 3: a welcome surprise, and now we get to have him
Speaker 3: all to ourselves. He starred in almost one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty five episodes of Sabrina the Teenage Witch as Harvey Kinkel,
Speaker 3: which was also somehow his first role ever. He helped
Speaker 3: make Fridays a must see night of television and as
Speaker 3: a result made us the middle child of the block
Speaker 3: look a whole lot better when it came time for renewal,
Speaker 3: and even when they tried to get rid of him,
Speaker 3: they couldn't keep him down, a rare occurrence in nineties TV,
Speaker 3: where child actors appeared to be as disposable as the
Speaker 3: cameras we used at parties. He also appeared on The
Speaker 3: Tony danzs sho and Touched by an Angel, and his
Speaker 3: honesty about anxiety and life after Hollywood has been a
Speaker 3: helpful breath of fresh air for those encountering the same
Speaker 3: obstacles in life. And we think after today's episode you'll
Speaker 3: be saying the same thing the three of us said
Speaker 3: after that mid series Taco Party Guy Rules. Welcome to
Speaker 3: the podcast from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. It's Nate Richard. Oh, well, welcome.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here with us. We
Speaker 3: are on a bit of a mission to reunite with
Speaker 3: all of our former TGIF neighbors. Okay, and so we're
Speaker 3: really happy that you're here with us.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: We talked about how we reunited with you at our
Speaker 3: pod meets World slash Boy meets World reunion. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Wasn't that your birthday as well?
Speaker 3: Those birthday is in December?
Speaker 2: Yea, that was just a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: You may have also come to the birthday. Did you
Speaker 3: also come to his birthday in December?
Speaker 6: No, it was just that, Yeah, it was just that
Speaker 6: one Taco day, Tayaco Tuesday.
Speaker 3: So, Nate, I want to talk to you about your
Speaker 3: origin story, like where you began. You grew up in
Speaker 3: Saint Paul, Minnesota, right.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 3: How did you convince your parents that you needed to
Speaker 3: move to Hollywood and.
Speaker 6: Wait to get rid of me? It started my my
Speaker 6: little sister and my mother did community theater and uh,
Speaker 6: one of the kid's mom said, oh, you need to
Speaker 6: bring your daughter to this agency and have her do commercials.
Speaker 6: And I was just along for the ride. And so
Speaker 6: the agency was like, well, do you want to sign
Speaker 6: him too? And I just started auditioning at I think
Speaker 6: I was seven.
Speaker 4: Wow, So did you want to do it?
Speaker 5: Is this something you were interested in or were you
Speaker 5: were just kind of were you trafficked?
Speaker 6: Like at that time, I was in a dance school.
Speaker 6: I grew up in a dance school, tap, jazz, and ballet.
Speaker 6: It was I guess, uh, you know, my parents wanted
Speaker 6: to run the energy out of us rather than sending
Speaker 6: us to daycare, that they sent us to this dance school.
Speaker 6: And that was back in the days of you know,
Speaker 6: I thought I was going to learn to break dance
Speaker 6: because my friends had done it. You know, everybody had
Speaker 6: their piece of cardboard out in.
Speaker 5: The yeah parachute in your Nike pullover jacket. Were I'm
Speaker 5: guessing the same exact age?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 6: And then I show up in its ballet shoes and
Speaker 6: tap shoes, and I had a few cries and but
Speaker 6: but then I really got into it, and it was
Speaker 6: it was a very very militant dance school. They took
Speaker 6: every you know, they took it very seriously, even with
Speaker 6: kids at a very young age. And you know all
Speaker 6: these things that I'm sure you guys have been through this.
Speaker 6: You have all these things where you laugh about all
Speaker 6: this stuff that and then you realized later that was
Speaker 6: probably child abuse.
Speaker 4: But you gotta laugh, you gotta laugh.
Speaker 6: And yeah, it was a very strict. So this auditioning
Speaker 6: and having fun with dialogue and cracking the adults up
Speaker 6: is something that I really loved about it. And I
Speaker 6: was a latch key kid, so I was sort of
Speaker 6: radised on television.
Speaker 4: You know, God where we very very similar background?
Speaker 6: Did you where did you grow up?
Speaker 5: I grew up in Connecticut. I was a latchkey kid.
Speaker 5: I was a breakdancer. Did you prefer breaking or breaking
Speaker 5: to electric boogaloo?
Speaker 6: I'm sure I never got the chance to do either.
Speaker 4: It was just straight to strength, to know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Does there a movies there are movies breaking breaking?
Speaker 5: Too?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Okay, we're not the same person at
Speaker 5: all anymore.
Speaker 6: No, No, I'm gonna watch I'll probably have.
Speaker 3: Something podcast on it later.
Speaker 6: Watching sitcoms, you know, the Nike at Night and you
Speaker 6: know I watched I Dream of Jeanie and then cut
Speaker 6: to uh what ten twelve years later and I got
Speaker 6: to act with Barbara Eden.
Speaker 4: It was mal so.
Speaker 6: You know, everybody that I grew up watching was a
Speaker 6: guest star on THENA. So I was like a kid
Speaker 6: in the candy store.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: We had have to cast the cheers, and we had,
Speaker 6: you know, have to cast a laugh in right, just
Speaker 6: all this stuff.
Speaker 3: All the people kids love.
Speaker 4: That's how we were too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're having soupy sales and Buddy Hackett, Like memory
Speaker 5: twelve year old wanted, right, you.
Speaker 6: Had Buddy Hackett? Yeah, oh wow. The only audio. I
Speaker 6: was a super shy kid back then too. You know,
Speaker 6: I could turn it on when I had dialogue, when
Speaker 6: I had a script memorized, but other than that, I
Speaker 6: was a really shy kid. So I was too afraid
Speaker 6: to get out. The only autograph I ever got was
Speaker 6: Dom Deloise, and I didn't ask for it. I just
Speaker 6: said oh, I can't believe you're here. And then next
Speaker 6: day he brought in the side that shot for me.
Speaker 3: That is so sweet.
Speaker 6: It is really sweet. It's actually hanging on the wall.
Speaker 3: I love that. That's so nice. He's like, you know what,
Speaker 3: You're probably not going to ask for it, but I
Speaker 3: know you want it, so I'm going to bring it
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, maybe he could see that I was a
Speaker 6: shy kid. I don't know. And you know, we had
Speaker 6: Martin Mall on there, and you know, we shared. He
Speaker 6: had one half the tray. They called it, what do
Speaker 6: they call him? The two Bangers one half. I was
Speaker 6: on the other, and we'd bring guitars in and play
Speaker 6: music to you. But I you know, I grew up
Speaker 6: watching Roseanne was another show I watched, and so you know,
Speaker 6: Clue I think was the very first VHS tape I
Speaker 6: bought my own allowance, So you know, I was automatically
Speaker 6: just yeah.
Speaker 3: Former you were a performing kid. You get for a kid,
Speaker 3: you get into acting. You signed with an agent around
Speaker 3: seven years.
Speaker 6: Old in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3: In Minneapolis, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: So lots and lots of commercials, you know, you know, legos,
Speaker 6: stuff like that. People find that stuff it's on the internet.
Speaker 6: Somebody will record the VHS tape and it's you know,
Speaker 6: somebody found you know, commercial line. It never goes. It
Speaker 6: was a little cave boy, you know. And that's the
Speaker 6: other thing I liked about it as a kid. You
Speaker 6: get to play dress up. I got to have like
Speaker 6: a prosthetic forehead and teeth and the cave man and uh.
Speaker 6: And the other thing I really loved about it as
Speaker 6: a kid was I get out of school. You know,
Speaker 6: of course, call to the office. Your dad's here to
Speaker 6: pick you up. You have an audition. I'm the only
Speaker 6: kid that could have a pager in school. Yeah remember
Speaker 6: this page days?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?
Speaker 2: I missed the page days?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Better off with that, you know, construction.
Speaker 3: When I have time, I have to make this phone
Speaker 3: call to I know so much better. I was just
Speaker 3: at a family reunion and my aunt reminded me, Uh,
Speaker 3: do you remember at our last family reunion someone threw
Speaker 3: you into the pool with your pager on and you
Speaker 3: were furious about right, a pager?
Speaker 7: Oh no.
Speaker 6: The other thing about our shows, we had a bunch
Speaker 6: of animals because everybody was getting turned into something all
Speaker 6: the time, and there was a chimp on the show
Speaker 6: and just we're outside and my pager went off. The chimp.
Speaker 6: You handed him the pager, showed him where the button was,
Speaker 6: and he kept flipping the button. He's all excited.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the pictures of a chimp with your pager.
Speaker 6: I got a Let me see, I got the elephant.
Speaker 6: I finally saw an elephant go through the elephant doors.
Speaker 4: People get to see that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had a I think we had a tiger
Speaker 6: or something at one point, and everybody, you know, obviously
Speaker 6: that was a closed set situation.
Speaker 4: So wait, did you shoot in front of an audience
Speaker 4: or no?
Speaker 6: We don't know.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, because you had so many
Speaker 5: set pieces that you couldn't really shoot in front of
Speaker 5: an audience.
Speaker 6: And that's the other thing too. It was kind of
Speaker 6: a rude awakening when I did other shows that had audiences.
Speaker 6: It was just something that I was I never really
Speaker 6: got used to, you know. Yeah, it took me a
Speaker 6: while to get over that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, tiger and audience don't usually go very well together, right,
Speaker 5: So yeah, not so good.
Speaker 3: So how did you make your way then from Minneapolis
Speaker 3: to Los Angeles and eventually booking Sabrina.
Speaker 6: Graduated high school about a half a year early, never
Speaker 6: took a study hall, never failed anything. And one of
Speaker 6: the agents at the agency in Minneapolis quit and started
Speaker 6: managing kids and taking them out to Los Angeles getting
Speaker 6: them agents, and I was in her first wave of
Speaker 6: kids that came out. So I pretty much said, hey,
Speaker 6: I'd like to move in all my classes early so
Speaker 6: I can leave, and they said, wow, we don't really
Speaker 6: do that. I said, well, I'd like to graduate high school,
Speaker 6: but I am going to leave. So they're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 6: So luckily I was able to finish high school. I
Speaker 6: came out here in February of ninety six.
Speaker 3: Wow, ninety six, and what do you remember the audition
Speaker 3: for Sabrina.
Speaker 6: Three agents in the first day they went with the
Speaker 6: last one, and it was several weeks of different auditions.
Speaker 6: I did a pilot and a couple of commercials, and yeah,
Speaker 6: I remember the very last audition that I had, the
Speaker 6: producer session. They had Melissa read with me. But it
Speaker 6: was like these seats. The seats were in a deck,
Speaker 6: you know, and so all the suits are there. She's
Speaker 6: sitting in the front row facing me. I guess they
Speaker 6: didn't want anybody judging her in any way. They wanted
Speaker 6: all the focus on me, and it was really cool
Speaker 6: being able to read with her, but the fact that
Speaker 6: she's in front of you and buying hers everybody just
Speaker 6: you know, was odd, and I remember just feeling weird,
Speaker 6: and I remember leaving there like, well, that's another one.
Speaker 6: I didn't think I was going to get it. And
Speaker 6: then I remember the first episode that we did. I
Speaker 6: was like, I just done a pilot that didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, ah, this isn't gonna this will last
Speaker 6: the week or so, and yep, didn't know it was
Speaker 6: going to be seven years?
Speaker 8: Yeah was it?
Speaker 6: What was it like for you guys?
Speaker 2: Same?
Speaker 1: We were probably auditioned in the exact same room. It's
Speaker 1: that ABC Theater room, Like I know exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's where. Yeah, the same thing. I was
Speaker 2: like already cynical at the age of thirteen.
Speaker 6: It's like, this thing's gonna never gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it becomes your entire life, you know.
Speaker 6: Well, I actually remember seeing your show, like I wasn't
Speaker 6: really in the demographic or so I thought for a
Speaker 6: lot of shows. But then when I look back, and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: I remember watching you guys. I remember watching what other shows.
Speaker 3: Uh, hanging with mister Cooper up.
Speaker 6: By step, hanging with mister Cooper for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you watched that little TGIF block before you
Speaker 3: were even on it. So you get the job, you
Speaker 3: start working, you shoot the pilot. You don't think it's
Speaker 3: gonna go because you've already done a pilot. You're already jaded,
Speaker 3: just like writer. Writer had done it. Writer had done
Speaker 3: a show that didn't go with Julie Andrews, and he
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Didn't really think I was Jaden at the time, because
Speaker 6: you know, you saw a lot more other actors around you.
Speaker 2: Than you know, all that guy that's Jaji.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, in retrospect I was, yeah, I was
Speaker 6: a little too cynical for a seventeen year old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, does everyone on set click right away? Is the
Speaker 3: is the is the chemistry between you all just immediate?
Speaker 6: I think with us it was. I remember here in
Speaker 6: the story. Ken Cook was one of our executive producers,
Speaker 6: and as he was getting hired, he said, I only
Speaker 6: want to do this if we're all a family. I
Speaker 6: wanted to be a family with all the crew. That's
Speaker 6: the only way I'm going to do it. And that's
Speaker 6: what it turned out to be. And yeah, from day one,
Speaker 6: we were all just sort of hanging out together. Melissa
Speaker 6: had a get together with all the kids from you know,
Speaker 6: from our cast, and we, uh, we watched some Clarissa
Speaker 6: explains it all.
Speaker 3: Come to my house. I'd like to have you guys over.
Speaker 3: We're gonna watch me.
Speaker 6: We're gonna watch me. You know something about Melissa, though
Speaker 6: she grew up in it, you know, she was a
Speaker 6: star very early with the Nickelodeon show. And that's something
Speaker 6: that I always thought about her is that, you know,
Speaker 6: with all these jaded actors that you meet, I thought that,
Speaker 6: you know, for somebody who didn't really get a chance
Speaker 6: to be a kid, she seemed pretty damn grounded.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: That's the other thing. Her mother was very protective. Even
Speaker 6: though her mother was her executive producer, Yeah, she was still.
Speaker 5: She was a good balance formost and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah definitely.
Speaker 3: So you're out here, are you living by yourself? Are
Speaker 3: you living with your manager? Did you ever live at
Speaker 3: the oak Woods?
Speaker 6: Yes? Absolutely, that's where I went. That's where we landed.
Speaker 4: What was your building? What was your building?
Speaker 6: I switched around because what happened was I ran out
Speaker 6: of money, and so I stayed with this guy, this
Speaker 6: sort of sketchy guy who had a conversion van. And
Speaker 6: uh yeah, well, no, up in the visitor lot. You
Speaker 6: remember the visitor lot, way up at the top of
Speaker 6: the hill. Yeah, we're in somebody's studio apartment. So there
Speaker 6: was I think nine of us in the studio apartment,
Speaker 6: and just those footsteps alone were enough to get the
Speaker 6: guy that lived below us to you know, you kids,
Speaker 6: to get us all get the boot. So we go
Speaker 6: to the studio.
Speaker 2: Guys a Murphy bed. Did have a Murphy bed?
Speaker 6: Yes, if you showed up late, you're the one that had.
Speaker 5: The sleepy Yeah, who got quite a quite a bit.
Speaker 6: Well, it was his, the guy who had the apartment.
Speaker 6: It was his bed. He slept on the bed, and
Speaker 6: everybody was just sort of lined up around the balcony.
Speaker 6: Was a nice place to sleep because we'll stay nice
Speaker 6: and cool at night. And back then, you could get
Speaker 6: in and out of the security gate with any cardboard
Speaker 6: business card.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just a slot and if you had
Speaker 5: anything to fit in the slot.
Speaker 4: The gate would open, the gate would open.
Speaker 6: I fully remember that it was myself and Michael Penya.
Speaker 6: I don't know if so he and I and we
Speaker 6: were roommates for a lot of years after that, but
Speaker 6: I remember it was he and I. What we would
Speaker 6: do is if one of us had a callback or
Speaker 6: a producer session, we'd pull what little money we had
Speaker 6: go down the hill to the what is it called
Speaker 6: the star our Starlight motel?
Speaker 3: Do you know that's on I can picture it.
Speaker 6: And so whoever had the audition got the bed. The
Speaker 6: other one got to sleep on the floor. But we
Speaker 6: were sleeping in a van, sitting up So.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, are you talking about the Safari in that's it?
Speaker 4: That's thear Okay, Yeah, it was a great place.
Speaker 6: So he had an audition. I think it was for
Speaker 6: my fellow Americans with Jack Lemon and James Garner. He
Speaker 6: had a great scene in that. But so we walked
Speaker 6: back up the hill the next day and they had
Speaker 6: fixed it. So our our suitcases were in the van
Speaker 6: and uh, you know, no cell phone back then, so
Speaker 6: all we had was the pager and uh, luckily the
Speaker 6: guy who had the van, his number was in there,
Speaker 6: so we you know, went to the paved phone called
Speaker 6: him and so, uh yeah, that was it for that.
Speaker 6: And then we were kind of roaming the streets for
Speaker 6: a couple of days. And then I got a pilot,
Speaker 6: so they hired me as out of town. They put
Speaker 6: me up with the Hollywood Roosevelt, and then I made
Speaker 6: sure there was a fold out for pennyass sleep on.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it was wild times many.
Speaker 3: It's such a Hollywood story. Also, the luck of like, well,
Speaker 3: I've been homeless for a few days. I've got an
Speaker 3: audition though, and then I book it on a pilot.
Speaker 3: They're going to book me as out of town, so
Speaker 3: they're giving me a room like by the seat of
Speaker 3: your pans.
Speaker 6: Tell you, Oh, I went home twice and had to
Speaker 6: come back to do a commercial that I booked before
Speaker 6: I like, after I got home, I found out I
Speaker 6: got the job, so then I had to turn around
Speaker 6: and go back.
Speaker 4: How many of you lived in the van.
Speaker 6: One, two, three, four, five of us and a commersion
Speaker 6: man with all of our stuff too, So it wasn't
Speaker 6: like everybody got a chair, no suitcases, got one of
Speaker 6: those chairs. You could sleep in the on the floor
Speaker 6: in between all of them, or sit up, you know,
Speaker 6: because it couldn't replying all the way because the stuff
Speaker 6: of the bag. It was bizarre. But you know that
Speaker 6: oak Wood was like I used to throw the football
Speaker 6: around with Jessica Bill played basketball and Macaulay Culkin. It
Speaker 6: was just all this weirdness, like such a weird My
Speaker 6: first year out of the in Los Angeles, especially around Oakwood,
Speaker 6: was so packed full of weird memories that oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wild and fun and.
Speaker 6: Bizarre, just bizarre times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so life like drastically changes that very very quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you get you get Sabrina, you shoot the pilot within
Speaker 3: the first season. It's an undeniable smash for the network.
Speaker 3: How does life change for you?
Speaker 4: And bigger fan?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we Van, how does life change for you? What
Speaker 3: do you do?
Speaker 6: I I it was still seventeen, so I couldn't legally
Speaker 6: get an apartment, so I had to get one of
Speaker 6: the Van guys to co signs so I could have
Speaker 6: an apartment.
Speaker 2: Okay, And then things.
Speaker 6: Just got progressively weirder because the roommate was odd and
Speaker 6: he came home one night. I was sitting on the
Speaker 6: couch in the dark, playing my guitar, watching the Tube
Speaker 6: television that was about this big and weighed seventy five pounds.
Speaker 6: And it's dark in the room. The door's open, the
Speaker 6: light from the hallway I see this big hair. I
Speaker 6: was like, what who? So I'm getting robbed by somebody
Speaker 6: crazy And the lights come on and I'm still playing
Speaker 6: the guitar as the lights come on and it's David
Speaker 6: Lee Roth coming through the door. Wow, it came back
Speaker 6: from the bar with this roommate guy I had. And
Speaker 6: he starts singing. So I just kept playing.
Speaker 3: And so David Lee Roth comes into your apartment.
Speaker 6: Singing out for the song I'm playing.
Speaker 3: And what does he just pour himself a drink and
Speaker 3: make himself at home.
Speaker 6: No, he pulled out from his tuxedo jacket pocket a
Speaker 6: large manila envelope and opens it up and folds it
Speaker 6: out on the table and it's a pile of cocaine
Speaker 6: like this, and he goes, take what you want, and
Speaker 6: I was I was like, all right, this is gone.
Speaker 6: It's well beyond my level of how much weird I
Speaker 6: could take. So I'm gonna go to sleep. Thanks, thanks
Speaker 6: for the good times. And about five thirty six am
Speaker 6: I still hear them rustling around out there, so I
Speaker 6: go out and it's time for Diamond David to go home,
Speaker 6: and so we walk them down the elevators down to
Speaker 6: you know, the sun's coming up, and his limo driver,
Speaker 6: the poor guy had been out there all night sitting
Speaker 6: in the car waiting for him. And you know, it
Speaker 6: wasn't a great part of Hollywood that we were living
Speaker 6: at the time in that apartment. It wasn't Oakwood at
Speaker 6: that time. This is later than that, and so we
Speaker 6: had prostitutes all all the way around the limo looking
Speaker 6: in the windows to see who's in there. And Dave
Speaker 6: comes out of our apartment.
Speaker 9: And goes, hey, ladies, and we all freak out out Dave,
Speaker 9: and he's signing autograph and he gets in his limo
Speaker 9: and he drives New Day.
Speaker 7: Beginning Beginning, Project Star, rock Star, still rock Star, And
Speaker 7: all of this stuff happens within the first year that
Speaker 7: I'm here, and it's just like nothing like that, you know,
Speaker 7: has happened since.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Hollywood, kid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much pretty much.
Speaker 3: So what does your family think at this point? You're
Speaker 3: now on a huge.
Speaker 6: Very little oh about the show?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to know what do they think about
Speaker 3: David Lee Roth and the Mount of Coke, the Mount
Speaker 3: of Cocaine.
Speaker 6: No, uh, they were. I think they were in a
Speaker 6: little bit of disbelief because he thought, Oh, he's gonna
Speaker 6: go out there, he's gonna run out of money, he's
Speaker 6: gonna come home. And honestly, that's what I figured was
Speaker 6: coming out.
Speaker 3: You're like, it was a possibility, to be.
Speaker 6: Honest, Yeah, I had to give it a shot, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, did they watch Sabrina?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, they had a watch party for our
Speaker 6: pilot and had all their friends and family come over.
Speaker 6: And yeah, the.
Speaker 5: First of all, I'm gonna have nine hundred questions about
Speaker 5: David Roth and the cocaine.
Speaker 4: I won't ask any of those. I will I will
Speaker 4: get I'll keep it Sabrina friendly.
Speaker 6: I don't even know what kind of audience you guys aren't.
Speaker 6: We got all ages we did.
Speaker 5: We say words and everything, cocaine, David Lee Roth fans,
Speaker 5: so going we are show obviously you have. The schedule
Speaker 5: is very particular because then it builds up to audience
Speaker 5: night and that's you know, you're pointing towards the show.
Speaker 5: Were you guys filming almost every day or did you
Speaker 5: have standard run throughs and rehearsals and then you'd choot
Speaker 5: a day.
Speaker 6: Monday was table read and half a day a run through.
Speaker 6: I mean we showed up at ten and we were
Speaker 6: done by I don't know four or five. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: and then Tuesday was more blocking and then the network
Speaker 6: run through at the end of that day, and then Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 6: Friday we.
Speaker 2: Shot you shot three day.
Speaker 6: Ok. Yeah, gotch because all the little mash moments. Yeah,
Speaker 6: a lot of pausing, and back then it was still
Speaker 6: you know, it was still early on in all those effects. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: there were things like they'd have a large tube television.
Speaker 6: What was the biggest one back then thirty six inches?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a fifty I was a rock star
Speaker 5: the first thing I bought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like people to carry it. It was insane. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I remember them having to basically with a grease
Speaker 6: marker or grease pen draw the outline of say, she's
Speaker 6: just popping in a book, so and she'd have to
Speaker 6: hold like that and they'd lock off the camera, lock it.
Speaker 6: Sometimes we would go to lunch at that point and
Speaker 6: then she have to come back and they'd be like, okay,
Speaker 6: hand up, just a little bit drop your pinky, all right,
Speaker 6: lift your thumb and action and then you know, and
Speaker 6: so that took a lot of time to get all
Speaker 6: those moments. We were shooting three cameras, so it did help.
Speaker 5: Yeah, can you think of one, one specific like magic
Speaker 5: moment that just took forever to have to do?
Speaker 6: No, No, it's good. The guy, yeah, yeah, the guy
Speaker 6: who ran it, uh, Steve Kolback, he uh was, he
Speaker 6: was just I think he just had it down after
Speaker 6: a while. I mean at first it was tough to
Speaker 6: get because to just first of all, you're looking you know,
Speaker 6: your flipped reversed image, so you gotta have that communication down.
Speaker 6: But by the end, he's like the or they would
Speaker 6: turn the monitor toward you so you could kind of
Speaker 6: see where, you know. And I didn't personally have to
Speaker 6: do a.
Speaker 3: Lot of that, right, Yeah, you weren't magic.
Speaker 6: Melissa did spend a lot of after hours, you know. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I get like Trooper, right, Yeah, she's in almost every scene.
Speaker 6: She has to do almost all of that magic stuff.
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, I mean the stuff for me is like, oh,
Speaker 6: I got turned into a frog. So I'm sitting in
Speaker 6: a car behind it with a green screen and I
Speaker 6: just kind of have to go yeah, right, yeah, that'll work.
Speaker 4: You know, you're good, We'll make that work.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 3: You recently said that you only watched like two episodes
Speaker 3: during the show's run, which is something you have in
Speaker 3: common with Writer. Writer also watched a couple episodes early
Speaker 3: on and then said, this is not for me. Why
Speaker 3: didn't you watch the show while it was on.
Speaker 6: I think just watching myself, I would get two in
Speaker 6: my head or something.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to, you know, I wanted to feel
Speaker 6: how I was doing and see the reactions that I
Speaker 6: was hoping to get. Because the crew was welcome to
Speaker 6: laugh at things. So if you can crack the crew up,
Speaker 6: that was pretty much your goal. So yeah, no, I
Speaker 6: think I would have gotten too much in my head. Also,
Speaker 6: I wasn't really in the demographic for the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 6: It wasn't Cheers, it wasn't you know, right, but they
Speaker 6: were really genius about having you know, I really did
Speaker 6: get the whole family to watch it. When you've got
Speaker 6: basically this kids show, YEP, but all the guest stars,
Speaker 6: the parents tuned in for Shelley Long and for George
Speaker 6: went uh.
Speaker 4: Davy Jones, uh, we had had.
Speaker 6: On the same network, right, So yeah, I'm sure they
Speaker 6: got a deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah you do.
Speaker 6: You guys just shoot on Friday or Thursday night, Thursday night,
Speaker 6: Thursday nights, what was Friday?
Speaker 2: Then table day?
Speaker 6: Yeah, following okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Was that the typical.
Speaker 3: Form it was for us because Michael Jacobs was Jewish
Speaker 3: and observed the Sabbath, so he wanted his early day
Speaker 3: to be Friday, So we would be done usually by
Speaker 3: like three or four o'clock on Friday, so that he
Speaker 3: could go and then we'd be able to tape late
Speaker 3: on Thursdays.
Speaker 5: Sweet, and then by the end we didn't rehearse at
Speaker 5: all on Fridays and.
Speaker 4: Then bounce Sweet.
Speaker 5: That was it was like that was like by sixth season,
Speaker 5: it was like we worked.
Speaker 3: We don't want to rehearse anymore on this down.
Speaker 5: I don't want to stay here for three hours when
Speaker 5: you look back at it.
Speaker 6: Awful.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: I was always too shy to put any foot down
Speaker 6: for myself.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Were you also auditioning for movies at the same time
Speaker 3: or were you just focused on Sabrina?
Speaker 6: I didn't really. It's an interesting situation with my representation,
Speaker 6: let's just put it that way. I didn't get sent
Speaker 6: out for a lot. I actually just had my first
Speaker 6: ever audition for a Law and Order. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 6: But then I should have had a Law and Order audition,
Speaker 6: should I? I mean so many shows they even had
Speaker 6: back then. Yeah, so, I mean that's that's the way
Speaker 6: I weigh it out, you know, not a Law and Order.
Speaker 6: But yeah, no, I I did have some. And what
Speaker 6: ended up happening was I get offered things and I
Speaker 6: would do them. And am I saying too much already?
Speaker 6: Danielle and I would just.
Speaker 3: Do that movie exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 6: I'm going there.
Speaker 3: Joe, Nate and I did a movie together called game
Speaker 3: Box one point Oh, we.
Speaker 6: Never We've never daniel has never mentioned Daniel ever I
Speaker 6: have done. We've gone a great links to make sure
Speaker 6: you never did.
Speaker 4: So we're going to be reviewing that movie on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Should we really should review?
Speaker 4: Of course we should? Was there a game Box two point?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: They wanted there to be, but it was.
Speaker 6: Wishful thinking in that title that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many days did we shoot that in?
Speaker 2: I think a week?
Speaker 6: I mean, really we shot the rehearsals. I can tell
Speaker 6: you that I know there was no, what is this
Speaker 6: movie about?
Speaker 4: And how have we never discussed game Box?
Speaker 6: I hadn't seen. Okay, so the first nineties gone. I
Speaker 6: see Caroline showing up in her shuttle. We sit down
Speaker 6: in this little lobby area at the hotel. I kind
Speaker 6: of turn over. I'm sitting with Caroline in this way.
Speaker 6: My manager's sitting over here. She gets distracted over here.
Speaker 6: I get distracted over there. And the next thing I know,
Speaker 6: Danielle has coming and sat in between us, and she's
Speaker 6: talking to Caroline, and Caroline says, oh, Nate, Danielle, do
Speaker 6: you guys know each other? And I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: Danielle and I did this cinematic masterpiece. Danielle goes, shut up.
Speaker 3: Your mouth, shut Nate, geez, I go to great lengths
Speaker 3: and never talk about these things. And Nate's just over here,
Speaker 3: willy nilly throwing them out.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, here he.
Speaker 3: Is, join it on my podcast. Why did I invite
Speaker 3: you here?
Speaker 6: I'm thinking at it that.
Speaker 4: Nothing.
Speaker 3: We absolutely will review it. It's I avoided watching it
Speaker 3: for a long time and then did watch it, and there,
Speaker 3: I don't know what to call those special effects.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, said two thousand and four.
Speaker 5: Science fiction you did a science fiction action movie and
Speaker 5: you've never brought this up.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't know if I'm excited or pissed.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm looking at the trailer right now. Why are
Speaker 4: you unconscious? I have so many questions.
Speaker 6: Wow, you're excited or pissed. Once you watch it, you'll
Speaker 6: be neither one of those.
Speaker 2: Yes, you'll be expert.
Speaker 5: Video game tester escapes reality by playing a mysterious game
Speaker 5: he received in the mail. The game immerses the player
Speaker 5: in a virtual world, the only catch being that if
Speaker 5: he doesn't win the game, it'll cost him his life.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 4: What, Oh oh, I'm so excited.
Speaker 8: Gripping, gripping, I'm so excited.
Speaker 4: You have no idea.
Speaker 6: I really shouldn't talk of the stuff that. I mean,
Speaker 6: they handed me the job. I should be grateful, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Wait, Patrick Renna was in this too, Yes, he was
Speaker 5: together so many.
Speaker 6: Daniel you didn't have any scenes with them. I think
Speaker 6: it was just like in my office scenes.
Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe I wouldn't have even yeah, okay, well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not like we had a wrap party or anything.
Speaker 5: You are there any other films that you've done, Danielle
Speaker 5: that we are unaware.
Speaker 4: Of Oh this is the best. Thank you love when
Speaker 4: we find new episodes.
Speaker 2: That's definitely an episode.
Speaker 3: We were definitely doing that as a rewatch for sure, And.
Speaker 6: That'll be the first time I've watched it other than
Speaker 6: I did go to the screening, but I kind of
Speaker 6: watched it.
Speaker 3: Like like, yeah, I know, did I go to that screening?
Speaker 3: Was there too?
Speaker 6: Don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't think she was already avoiding it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this project and every all the crew, everybody is
Speaker 6: like just kind of silently walked out of the theater.
Speaker 8: After all, that was a movie.
Speaker 3: That was a movie we made did something. We made something.
Speaker 1: That's the worst feeling in the world, though, when you're
Speaker 1: the actor that like, yeah, I've had to get up
Speaker 1: and do Q and as after a premiere screening for
Speaker 1: something that I was in, and I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: don't feel good about this.
Speaker 3: I don't want to.
Speaker 4: I have a question, why did your movie suck?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 6: I have answers for that.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've all been there. We've all been there.
Speaker 3: So, Nate, you did one hundred and twenty five episodes
Speaker 3: of Sabrina. How many seasons was.
Speaker 8: That I did?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's quite a few, quite a few how many seasons?
Speaker 6: I think we did six altogether. They revamped the ship
Speaker 6: at one point, so I got booted and then they
Speaker 6: brought me. What was that like for the last two episodes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Boy Meets World did that to people too, where
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you just show up and it's
Speaker 3: a new season and there's somebody's not going to be
Speaker 3: there anymore. How did you find out they were going
Speaker 3: to let you go?
Speaker 6: Paul told me, and she did it very nicely. I
Speaker 6: think it would have boiled down to wash we've exhausted
Speaker 6: the storylines for your character and we're going in a
Speaker 6: different direction before the you know, this was towards the
Speaker 6: end of the last year that I did the full
Speaker 6: of yeah okay, and I was I was like, what
Speaker 6: exactly does that? I didn't realize I was getting fired
Speaker 6: just yet. I was like, what exactly does that mean?
Speaker 3: Right right? Where did your where did your character's storyline?
Speaker 3: And like where did it end? When they were then
Speaker 3: letting you know that we've exhausted it. Were you a
Speaker 3: couple with with Sabrina? What was your what was your storyline?
Speaker 6: I don't know. I didn't watch damn thing. No, wait,
Speaker 6: did it No, I think No, I think she'd been
Speaker 6: dating David Lasher's character at that point or had that
Speaker 6: not happened. No, I think we were still together. Okay,
Speaker 6: and then but we knew we were going to different colleges.
Speaker 3: Oh, comeing to that effect.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I watched the very first one we shot. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because Melissa had a party and made us all watch it.
Speaker 6: I watched the first one she ever directed, because she
Speaker 6: had a party and at us all over to watch it.
Speaker 3: Okay, those are the two episodes you had seen.
Speaker 4: And then Florissa, So.
Speaker 3: They let you, they let you go, and it's crushing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, what do you do next?
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing, you know. I was still twenty,
Speaker 6: I want to say twenty one, twenty, you know, I
Speaker 6: was just like, oh, something else.
Speaker 3: But your representation still a.
Speaker 6: Kid, And yeah, they didn't really have anything lined up
Speaker 6: for me. I did come pretty close to scrubs. It
Speaker 6: was about that time. I think we were shifting over.
Speaker 6: That might have been a little earlier, you know, I
Speaker 6: got real close to a lot of things, but yeah,
Speaker 6: just never clicked, and and the auditions became very very
Speaker 6: few and far between after my agent had passed away,
Speaker 6: and so I kind of got left with whoever was
Speaker 6: around to to take me at the time, and being
Speaker 6: a kid from Minnesota, like I didn't know anything about career.
Speaker 2: Choices or staying.
Speaker 6: Active or proactive.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've talked about that so much on
Speaker 3: the show about how for all of us whose families
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with the entertainment industry, knowing to
Speaker 3: think of what we were doing like a business and
Speaker 3: thinking about, you know, well, I got to strike while
Speaker 3: the iron's hot. They just let me go from Sabrina.
Speaker 3: I've just spent five seasons on that. I'm probably a
Speaker 3: pretty hot commodity right now. And if my agent's not
Speaker 3: finding me somebody even just thinking about the fact that
Speaker 3: your representation should be working for you and for you
Speaker 3: to then be like shopping yourself to other agents and
Speaker 3: managers like you would have been snapped up immediately had
Speaker 3: you known to even be shopping yourself.
Speaker 6: Not a clue, Not a clue. I have no idea.
Speaker 4: And there's no social media, so it's not like.
Speaker 6: Do something else for a while. If I thought a
Speaker 6: duplex I was remodeling that I had a construction background
Speaker 6: as a kid, so I was just having fun with
Speaker 6: life as a twenty something.
Speaker 3: When did you What do you mean you had a
Speaker 3: construction background? You started on Sabrina at seventeen? When did you?
Speaker 3: When did you learn construction?
Speaker 6: I grew out. My dad was in construction all of
Speaker 6: his life, and on the side he would build a
Speaker 6: house while we lived in it, he would build another
Speaker 6: one and then we'd sell and move on the side
Speaker 6: of his regular sheet gig. So you know the house
Speaker 6: when we were living in, uh, my sister and I
Speaker 6: would started to get to that age. We were bickering
Speaker 6: a lot, and so our rooms are right next to
Speaker 6: each other. So my dad said, I'm buying the lumber.
Speaker 6: Go down on the basement, frame it in, hang the drywall.
Speaker 6: And that's where my room was for junior high high school.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I just grew up. My first job job,
Speaker 6: apart from acting, was literally roofing houses in the summertime.
Speaker 3: Wow, gosh, that's so cool, so cool. I do how
Speaker 3: to do nothing?
Speaker 1: He could be Panca, I could be I could do
Speaker 1: Barbie commercials.
Speaker 3: I could I could go to her.
Speaker 6: Yeah out here and where I'm from. It's just like
Speaker 6: that's if you can't do that, there's something wrong with you.
Speaker 2: As a boy.
Speaker 6: Anyway. Yeah, I mean you just yeah. My first toys
Speaker 6: were a chunk of two by four and a hammer.
Speaker 3: Adler needs What is Adler doing with his life? He
Speaker 3: is six years old and he doesn't know how to
Speaker 3: build a room.
Speaker 6: Gotta get him on it.
Speaker 3: Come on, Adler, you're coming a slacker.
Speaker 6: This old house is still watchable, exactly.
Speaker 3: Nate, you have been very open about how anxiety and
Speaker 3: depression helps you back from being really able to pursue
Speaker 3: acting much past Sabrina. Something else you and will have
Speaker 3: in common. When did you start to experience anxiety and depression? Uh?
Speaker 6: I want to say like around puberty, and not that
Speaker 6: it had anything to do with being interested in girls
Speaker 6: or the changes. I mean, probably chemical changes, but I
Speaker 6: know some of its hereditary. My mother's battled with it
Speaker 6: all her life, and it's a generalized anxiety disorder. I'll
Speaker 6: have random panic attacks over nothing.
Speaker 4: Yep, It's fun, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I did have a very long wait for an audition
Speaker 6: for Team America. Turns out they didn't hire any actors
Speaker 6: at all, But I waited in the waiting room for
Speaker 6: I think it was a total of three and a
Speaker 6: half hours.
Speaker 4: I was sitting right next to you, were you? Yeah?
Speaker 6: And Paul Rudd was sitting across. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I know Ian Zerring was there.
Speaker 6: Did you go in? I can't remember you either went
Speaker 6: in before me.
Speaker 4: I don't know I did.
Speaker 5: I did all the scratch track stuff for that for
Speaker 5: Team America that day.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, but they didn't.
Speaker 4: They didn't put anybody in the movie, right, they don't
Speaker 4: put anybody?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: Was he really good?
Speaker 6: Wow? Didn't really started talking about anxiety and panic attacks,
Speaker 6: and he started talking about lexapro and I'm on that
Speaker 6: to this day.
Speaker 3: So you left that audition with an idea in your
Speaker 3: mind that.
Speaker 6: Poets full of knowledge, you know, and it might be
Speaker 6: a Midwest thing as well, or maybe it was just
Speaker 6: the time, but you did not talk about that kind
Speaker 6: of stuff.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I was afraid to talk about it. I thought I'd
Speaker 6: get fired first of all. You know, you feel like
Speaker 6: there's something definitely wrong with me that I that I
Speaker 6: just have to get over or I have to fix
Speaker 6: this on.
Speaker 3: My own, and if I tell people about it, it's
Speaker 3: going to be a liability, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I was no doubt in my mind they would
Speaker 6: have fired me. Whether that's true or not. I have
Speaker 6: no idea, but that's the extra, that's the real stress
Speaker 6: I lived under, you know. But I could have a
Speaker 6: panic attack in line at the grocery store, so it's
Speaker 6: not like there's any rhyme or reason to it.
Speaker 3: How were you able to balance that while also being
Speaker 3: on Sabrina? Did you ever have a panic attack on
Speaker 3: set or while.
Speaker 6: Lots oh, lots, lots and lots. Yeah, you just kind
Speaker 6: of suck it up. Yeah, and that, like I said,
Speaker 6: that's back before medication. I don't think the lexapro came
Speaker 6: to I don't know when was Team America.
Speaker 5: Yeah seriously, well I started, so I started on boos
Speaker 5: Bar when it was boost Bar and Selexo when I
Speaker 5: was it was six season of Boy between six and
Speaker 5: seven bar and medication.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, how.
Speaker 6: How were you able to procure that?
Speaker 4: My doctor?
Speaker 5: So I went to a doctor because I thought I
Speaker 5: was dying. I yeah, my first anxiety attack took place
Speaker 5: on camera, like they used the take I was shooting
Speaker 5: a movie, so I can actually watch my first anxiety.
Speaker 4: Wow, And I thought I was dying.
Speaker 5: So when I got home, I've had the same doctor
Speaker 5: since I was like seventeen, and I sat there and
Speaker 5: I'm telling them all the symptoms and he said, oh,
Speaker 5: you have I think anxiety. And I said, no, no, you
Speaker 5: don't understand. It's like or I'm having a stroke or something.
Speaker 5: He said, no, no, it's anxiety. I said, no, it's
Speaker 5: not listen to me, and so he started to read all.
Speaker 5: He goes, let me read you a list of things,
Speaker 5: and he read me essentially everything I was going through.
Speaker 5: And I said, yes, that whatever that is, that's what
Speaker 5: I have. And he turned over the pamphlet and it says,
Speaker 5: so you're dealing with anxiety. And it was actually a
Speaker 5: pamphlet put out by this a medication called boose Bar
Speaker 5: at the time, which also I think the side effect
Speaker 5: they said is that I might have quit smoking too,
Speaker 5: which is like one of those kind of things, which
Speaker 5: I didn't. But yeah, the Boosbar was the first thing
Speaker 5: that I took, and then I was taking that during Boy.
Speaker 5: Which is why between six and seven season I put
Speaker 5: on so much weight. Is because the medication, I was,
Speaker 5: you know, you gain weight on a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 5: So I came back a lot heavier because I was
Speaker 5: just medicating myself to perform. So it was, yeah, I
Speaker 5: was doing that same thing. But you know, you're right,
Speaker 5: you didn't. It's like, why am I wait, I'm having
Speaker 5: a panic attack? Now, what the hell is this for?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I just never knew.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you doesn't believe me either, and you didn't know
Speaker 5: when they were going to come, and it was that
Speaker 5: was the thing. And then because you couldn't talk about
Speaker 5: it at the time, then you're just suffering with it
Speaker 5: in silence, and it just gets worse. You just start
Speaker 5: to spiral because because of all that stuff. So, yeah, nowadays,
Speaker 5: with at least being able to discuss mental health, you know,
Speaker 5: nowadays you say, oh, I'm sorry, I deal with anxiety.
Speaker 5: I'm a little a little anxious right now. Half of
Speaker 5: the people in the room go me too, like, don't
Speaker 5: worry about it.
Speaker 4: They good.
Speaker 6: That was the biggest game changer for me. Yeah, besides
Speaker 6: the lacks of pro obviously, but just the fact that
Speaker 6: you hear so many times I have that as well. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: and just knowing how common it is. Really it's not
Speaker 6: like you know, you're grown up to think that something's
Speaker 6: wrong with you, that's a problem, there's something wrong with you,
Speaker 6: Suck it up, get over it, and uh yeah, just
Speaker 6: knowing that there's so many people that have it too.
Speaker 3: It is just yeah, yeah, knowing you're not blown.
Speaker 4: But yeah, So.
Speaker 6: Got done with the show, and you know, there weren't
Speaker 6: a lot of auditions. A lot of the ones I
Speaker 6: was getting I wasn't really right for, and then the
Speaker 6: ones I really wanted. I would have full blown panic
Speaker 6: attacks in the audition. And I even had some casting
Speaker 6: directors say, hey, can you stay for forty five minutes
Speaker 6: or an hour and they would work with me on
Speaker 6: the auditions knowing that I was suffering. Maybe they didn't
Speaker 6: know why, but there were a few casting directors out
Speaker 6: there that were extra helpful.
Speaker 4: That's awesome. I just stopped auditioning. I literally just stopped
Speaker 4: for years, and.
Speaker 6: I did eventually. I just kind of gave up. I
Speaker 6: never called it giving up. I always but I wasn't
Speaker 6: doing anything at all proactive other than making sure I
Speaker 6: had representation who was also not very proactive.
Speaker 3: So makes the makes trying to have a career very
Speaker 3: difficult in that situation.
Speaker 6: So I was like just waiting for the phone to ring, like.
Speaker 8: That was gonna Yeah.
Speaker 4: I still do that. They joke with me to this
Speaker 4: day that I still do that.
Speaker 5: Where They're like, well, if you want to get in
Speaker 5: a Hallmark movie, you got to do something about it.
Speaker 5: In writers like, you're just waiting for them to knock
Speaker 5: on the door. And I'm like, yeah, exactly, I knock.
Speaker 4: On the door.
Speaker 3: Well, thinks that because we talked about him wanting to
Speaker 3: do a Hallmark movie on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Enough, that's my audition.
Speaker 3: That's there.
Speaker 4: That auditioning is still my biggest trigger. So I just
Speaker 4: don't do it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I got to the point where I really
Speaker 6: wanted to work again. It's the only like, it's the
Speaker 6: only time that I am actually comfortable, Like when the
Speaker 6: cameras rolling, I can't remember ever having a panic attack, right,
Speaker 6: it's everything else that comes along with it. So just
Speaker 6: the auditions, especially you feel like you got the interrogation
Speaker 6: light on you, that sort of thing. And so, you know,
Speaker 6: just a few years by maybe twenty seventeen, I really
Speaker 6: wanted to start auditioning again and get the representation and
Speaker 6: be proactive. And I knew I needed to get over
Speaker 6: that hurdle, and so I was trying to think of, like,
Speaker 6: what's the scariest thing I could think of was getting
Speaker 6: on stage, which I'm not a theater actor. You know,
Speaker 6: I like the ship and a bottle sort of thing
Speaker 6: that we do with television, and you know, not the
Speaker 6: open sea thing that live theater is so getting on
Speaker 6: stage without a script. So I started doing Second City
Speaker 6: and just the games that they play, and just the
Speaker 6: stuff that forces you to get out there and start
Speaker 6: opening your mouth and getting those laughs is so much fun.
Speaker 6: And unfortunately I didn't survive COVID, but that's what I
Speaker 6: ended up doing, and I did that for a few years.
Speaker 6: And now it's like that fear around auditioning has now
Speaker 6: gone right at the time where we're all doing self tape.
Speaker 2: Now I can't run it into practice right right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like that that part of the fear
Speaker 6: is maybe not gone gone, but at least I've got
Speaker 6: got some tools to make it manageable.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: That's great, And as you mentioned, we are now able
Speaker 3: to participate in some great nostalgia conventions, including Nineties con.
Speaker 3: What has it been like for you to revisit Sabrina
Speaker 3: and seeing its effect on fans thirty years later.
Speaker 6: It's been really great. When we used to do things
Speaker 6: like that back in the day, I was always terrified
Speaker 6: to do them. Feeling so self conscious all this other
Speaker 6: stuff we've been talking about, and this time around, it's
Speaker 6: it's almost like I'm just having this the nostalgia with them. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so they're they're telling me that I have to remember, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: I was that guy a lot of times, you know.
Speaker 6: And so to to find out how much love everybody
Speaker 6: had for the show, and you know, I've had so
Speaker 6: many gay men say, there was this particular episode you did,
Speaker 6: Sabrina turns into a boy, but she's still being a feminine,
Speaker 6: and I'm saying to her, you know, it's cool with me.
Speaker 6: I just don't want you to you know. So I
Speaker 6: was being protective basically, And so many gay men have
Speaker 6: said you helped me have the courage to come out
Speaker 6: to my friends when and family for that matter. But
Speaker 6: you know, I think mom and dad are an obstacle,
Speaker 6: but friends are another obstacle. And so that was super,
Speaker 6: super freaking heartwarming. I get choked up when I hear
Speaker 6: those stories and just how connected people feel to the show,
Speaker 6: to the characters, and how much we all were a
Speaker 6: part of people's childhoods. I don't know, it's something you
Speaker 6: you didn't I didn't think of at the time that
Speaker 6: I was going to be shaping people's childhoods, are a
Speaker 6: part of shaping people's childhoods, and now their kids are
Speaker 6: watching it with them, with these reruns on Amazon or
Speaker 6: Hulu or wherever they're seeing it, and it's just, I
Speaker 6: don't know, it's a fantastic feeling. So to get to
Speaker 6: relive it with everybody at these conventions, is it's really
Speaker 6: something special.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I know we feel very much the same way.
Speaker 3: Like you said, it feels like there's something about being
Speaker 3: older and having the distance from it that now instead
Speaker 3: of it feeling so much like it's us, it does
Speaker 3: it feels almost like slightly like other people. There's something
Speaker 3: that feels just so much we're like we're experiencing the
Speaker 3: nostalgia with them. Exactly what you said was a great
Speaker 3: way of saying it.
Speaker 6: Our crews were family, our casts were family, and now
Speaker 6: the audience I really feel that with them as well,
Speaker 6: which is definitely. Well.
Speaker 3: I know you've since seen I know you said during
Speaker 3: the time the show was on you had only seen
Speaker 3: two episodes, but since then you have seen more Sabrina
Speaker 3: episodes because you have a teenage son, right, and he
Speaker 3: wanted to watch it.
Speaker 6: Uh, yeah, well he does that by himself.
Speaker 5: I still don't know.
Speaker 6: No, I don't think he wanted me to see it
Speaker 6: with him either.
Speaker 3: What do you think his react? Did he tell you
Speaker 3: what his reaction was to seeing his teenage dad on
Speaker 3: screen in front of him?
Speaker 6: You know what I hear the most is, Oh, I
Speaker 6: look so much like you did back then. So it's
Speaker 6: like I'm looking at a mirrors that is so cute.
Speaker 3: Has he shown any interest in the business.
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, he's doing a musical right now. Yep, So
Speaker 6: I'm going up there to watch him in Rent.
Speaker 4: It's just a bunch of people who don't have a job.
Speaker 5: That's all at Rent is when I every time I
Speaker 5: see it as an adult now, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, wow, someone get a job and you can keep
Speaker 2: your place.
Speaker 4: Try that.
Speaker 6: But it's also like a really nice place, isn't it.
Speaker 4: That's all right?
Speaker 3: Well, that's wonderful. Congratulations. I hope, I hope you enjoy
Speaker 3: watching him in Rent. Don't let Will's no, it's.
Speaker 4: A great show.
Speaker 2: A bunch of dead beats love it.
Speaker 3: I love Grandpa. Republicans well, Republican.
Speaker 5: It's just as a kid, you watch it, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: they're fighting for the power as an adult, and like
Speaker 5: someone needs to get a job.
Speaker 4: No, one get a job.
Speaker 5: That's your problem. Why you can't afford rent? You can
Speaker 5: sing as much as you want.
Speaker 6: What are their professions?
Speaker 5: They one of them carries the camera, you know, one
Speaker 5: of them does that, the other one does nothing. It's like, hey,
Speaker 5: so weird, I didn't do anything today and rent the chances.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Nate says, somebody do some roofs. Come on, yeah, yeah, come.
Speaker 6: On, yeah, I'm going to get some roofing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you gotta do something or else. David is
Speaker 4: not going to show up with a giant thing of cocaine.
Speaker 4: You gotta earn that, mate.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here with us.
Speaker 6: Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 3: I'm fun to talk to you. Hopefully we get to
Speaker 3: reunite with you soon, if not in a nineties con
Speaker 3: at a taco party or a Korean barbecue party, some
Speaker 3: sort of get gathering. We would love to see you
Speaker 3: again soon.
Speaker 6: Game Box, we are going to do that we've been
Speaker 6: meaning to do. I kept my mouth shut on that one.
Speaker 4: Excited, yeah, so excited for this.
Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, always to see you. Give
Speaker 3: our love to Natanya, please will do I will.
Speaker 2: Good to say?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 4: Oh god, some of the stories.
Speaker 5: So I'm not even gonna get into game backs because
Speaker 5: I'm like, how have you never mentioned this movie before?
Speaker 4: Just the title game box one point?
Speaker 3: Oh magical goodness. Yeah, his stories though, that's what was
Speaker 3: David Lee Roth coming home with his roommate.
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously just to do blow, but if you've
Speaker 5: got that much coke, then what are you going to?
Speaker 4: Somebody else?
Speaker 3: I still got a limo, and exactly.
Speaker 1: It was probably like an Awards show night, and like
Speaker 1: everyone else went home and.
Speaker 2: He was like, I keep going, Let's take a limo
Speaker 2: and let's on somebody. He's in a tuxedo.
Speaker 1: He must have been coming off of like the Grammys
Speaker 1: or something. And everybody else went to sleep, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I got the limb until five in the morning.
Speaker 5: So let's go to some random apartment in Hollywood.
Speaker 8: Why not?
Speaker 3: Like where did he live? Why not go to David
Speaker 3: Lee Row.
Speaker 1: You would think, yeah, very strength, and there's like forty
Speaker 1: two people living in a van.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 4: I mean some of the stories he had.
Speaker 3: Are nine people in the studios.
Speaker 1: But I totally yeah, I know that, Like at that age,
Speaker 1: like I didn't care, Like the idea where I slept,
Speaker 1: I didn't care.
Speaker 2: I would just be like, oh, yeah, what are we doing,
Speaker 2: We're gonna you know.
Speaker 1: If I like went on a road trip or somebody,
Speaker 1: we would just sleep in cars on the side of
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 2: I mean everybody.
Speaker 1: I would literally just be like, we wouldn't even think
Speaker 1: about it, would just be like, well, we're going to
Speaker 1: get to New Orleans by what two days from now?
Speaker 1: So then we just sleep in fields, like.
Speaker 4: Just like pull off.
Speaker 1: And then if you wake up and like cows would
Speaker 1: be walking around you, and you just be like, oh right,
Speaker 1: the only thing you worried about is if a cop
Speaker 1: was going to like yeah, but it's so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just now I'm like if I don't have a bed,
Speaker 1: that's man, that's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: But at that age, you just don't care. You're like,
Speaker 2: I'll sleep sitting up him and Michael Penya. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: The stories are great.
Speaker 3: He's always been like such a you can tell nothing
Speaker 3: about his success or anything has changed one bit of
Speaker 3: who he was auring the time he was a kid,
Speaker 3: like just true salt of the earth, nice guy. Yeah, well,
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