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Speaker 2: Whatever, but one of them was the Cursed Item game,

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Speaker 1: We stopped for lunch somewhere, we're all having We're in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do you remember what they call clothes pins?

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Speaker 1: So there's this whole thing where you call clothes pins

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Speaker 1: But you try and take a clothes pin and you

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Speaker 3: Started that, didn't We used to write something on them

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Speaker 2: It was the spirit of the whale. The whalebone cursed him.

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Speaker 3: Finally one day we're going to Whaler's Village, which is

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Speaker 2: The beginning of every scary story. You're a voice at night?

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Speaker 4: So this happened.

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Speaker 5: So they were literally kept having all these accidents, people

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Speaker 5: It was like, it's one of the most famous Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but were they putting close pints on the skeletons?

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Speaker 1: I know where they put the skeletons. Fifty clothes pins

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Speaker 3: Writer's House for a bit of a Korean barbecue party. Right,

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Speaker 3: that's the food you had. We had Korean barbecue, right, No,

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Speaker 3: every five years, all to Writer's House for a taco party,

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Speaker 3: the year two thousand and one. Unexpected by product of

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Speaker 3: after that mid series Taco Party Guy Rules. Welcome to

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: We talked about how we reunited with you at our

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Speaker 6: Wasn't that your birthday as well?

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Speaker 3: Those birthday is in December?

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Speaker 2: Yea, that was just a lot of fun.

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Speaker 6: No, it was just that, Yeah, it was just that

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Speaker 6: I did.

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Speaker 6: Wait to get rid of me? It started my my

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Speaker 6: And I was just along for the ride. And so

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Speaker 6: Like at that time, I was in a dance school.

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Speaker 4: But you gotta laugh, you gotta laugh.

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Speaker 4: You know, God where we very very similar background?

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Speaker 6: Did you where did you grow up?

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Speaker 5: I grew up in Connecticut. I was a latchkey kid.

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Speaker 5: I was a breakdancer. Did you prefer breaking or breaking

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Speaker 4: It was just straight to strength, to know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: No, No, I'm gonna watch I'll probably have.

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Speaker 6: Watching sitcoms, you know, the Nike at Night and you

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Speaker 6: You know, everybody that I grew up watching was a

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Speaker 3: All the people kids love.

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Speaker 4: That's how we were too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're having soupy sales and Buddy Hackett, Like memory

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, maybe he could see that I was a

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Speaker 3: Former you were a performing kid. You get for a kid,

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Speaker 6: Old in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 6: I got a Let me see, I got the elephant.

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Speaker 4: People get to see that.

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Speaker 3: Wow, ninety six, and what do you remember the audition

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Speaker 8: Yeah was it?

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Speaker 6: What was it like for you guys?

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Speaker 1: We were probably auditioned in the exact same room. It's

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Speaker 6: It's like, this thing's gonna never gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it becomes your entire life, you know.

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Speaker 6: Well, I actually remember seeing your show, like I wasn't

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Speaker 6: I remember watching you guys. I remember watching what other shows.

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Speaker 3: Uh, hanging with mister Cooper up.

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Speaker 6: By step, hanging with mister Cooper for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you watched that little TGIF block before you

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Speaker 3: start working, you shoot the pilot. You don't think it's

448
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 3: gonna go because you've already done a pilot. You're already jaded,

449
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 3: just like writer. Writer had done it. Writer had done

450
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 3: a show that didn't go with Julie Andrews, and he

451
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I.

452
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 6: Didn't really think I was Jaden at the time, because

453
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 6: you know, you saw a lot more other actors around you.

454
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 2: Than you know, all that guy that's Jaji.

455
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 4: That's true.

456
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, in retrospect I was, yeah, I was

457
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 6: a little too cynical for a seventeen year old.

458
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, does everyone on set click right away? Is the

459
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: is the is the chemistry between you all just immediate?

460
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 6: I think with us it was. I remember here in

461
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 6: the story. Ken Cook was one of our executive producers,

462
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 6: and as he was getting hired, he said, I only

463
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 6: want to do this if we're all a family. I

464
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 6: wanted to be a family with all the crew. That's

465
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 6: the only way I'm going to do it. And that's

466
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 6: what it turned out to be. And yeah, from day one,

467
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 6: we were all just sort of hanging out together. Melissa

468
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 6: had a get together with all the kids from you know,

469
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 6: from our cast, and we, uh, we watched some Clarissa

470
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 6: explains it all.

471
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 3: Come to my house. I'd like to have you guys over.

472
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna watch me.

473
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 6: We're gonna watch me. You know something about Melissa, though

474
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 6: she grew up in it, you know, she was a

475
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 6: star very early with the Nickelodeon show. And that's something

476
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 6: that I always thought about her is that, you know,

477
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 6: with all these jaded actors that you meet, I thought that,

478
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 6: you know, for somebody who didn't really get a chance

479
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 6: to be a kid, she seemed pretty damn grounded.

480
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, so yeah, yeah.

481
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 6: That's the other thing. Her mother was very protective. Even

482
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 6: though her mother was her executive producer, Yeah, she was still.

483
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 5: She was a good balance formost and yeah, yeah.

484
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 4: Yeah definitely.

485
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: So you're out here, are you living by yourself? Are

486
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: you living with your manager? Did you ever live at

487
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: the oak Woods?

488
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 6: Yes? Absolutely, that's where I went. That's where we landed.

489
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 4: What was your building? What was your building?

490
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 6: I switched around because what happened was I ran out

491
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 6: of money, and so I stayed with this guy, this

492
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 6: sort of sketchy guy who had a conversion van. And

493
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 6: uh yeah, well, no, up in the visitor lot. You

494
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 6: remember the visitor lot, way up at the top of

495
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 6: the hill. Yeah, we're in somebody's studio apartment. So there

496
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 6: was I think nine of us in the studio apartment,

497
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 6: and just those footsteps alone were enough to get the

498
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 6: guy that lived below us to you know, you kids,

499
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 6: to get us all get the boot. So we go

500
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 6: to the studio.

501
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: Guys a Murphy bed. Did have a Murphy bed?

502
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 6: Yes, if you showed up late, you're the one that had.

503
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 5: The sleepy Yeah, who got quite a quite a bit.

504
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 6: Well, it was his, the guy who had the apartment.

505
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 6: It was his bed. He slept on the bed, and

506
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 6: everybody was just sort of lined up around the balcony.

507
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 6: Was a nice place to sleep because we'll stay nice

508
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 6: and cool at night. And back then, you could get

509
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 6: in and out of the security gate with any cardboard

510
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 6: business card.

511
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you remember that.

512
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just a slot and if you had

513
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 5: anything to fit in the slot.

514
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 4: The gate would open, the gate would open.

515
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 6: I fully remember that it was myself and Michael Penya.

516
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 6: I don't know if so he and I and we

517
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 6: were roommates for a lot of years after that, but

518
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 6: I remember it was he and I. What we would

519
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 6: do is if one of us had a callback or

520
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 6: a producer session, we'd pull what little money we had

521
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 6: go down the hill to the what is it called

522
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 6: the star our Starlight motel?

523
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: Do you know that's on I can picture it.

524
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 6: And so whoever had the audition got the bed. The

525
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 6: other one got to sleep on the floor. But we

526
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 6: were sleeping in a van, sitting up So.

527
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: Oh wait, are you talking about the Safari in that's it?

528
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: That's thear Okay, Yeah, it was a great place.

529
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 6: So he had an audition. I think it was for

530
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 6: my fellow Americans with Jack Lemon and James Garner. He

531
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 6: had a great scene in that. But so we walked

532
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 6: back up the hill the next day and they had

533
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 6: fixed it. So our our suitcases were in the van

534
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 6: and uh, you know, no cell phone back then, so

535
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 6: all we had was the pager and uh, luckily the

536
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 6: guy who had the van, his number was in there,

537
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 6: so we you know, went to the paved phone called

538
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 6: him and so, uh yeah, that was it for that.

539
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 6: And then we were kind of roaming the streets for

540
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 6: a couple of days. And then I got a pilot,

541
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 6: so they hired me as out of town. They put

542
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 6: me up with the Hollywood Roosevelt, and then I made

543
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 6: sure there was a fold out for pennyass sleep on.

544
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it was wild times many.

545
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: It's such a Hollywood story. Also, the luck of like, well,

546
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: I've been homeless for a few days. I've got an

547
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: audition though, and then I book it on a pilot.

548
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: They're going to book me as out of town, so

549
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: they're giving me a room like by the seat of

550
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: your pans.

551
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 6: Tell you, Oh, I went home twice and had to

552
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 6: come back to do a commercial that I booked before

553
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 6: I like, after I got home, I found out I

554
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 6: got the job, so then I had to turn around

555
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 6: and go back.

556
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: How many of you lived in the van.

557
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 6: One, two, three, four, five of us and a commersion

558
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 6: man with all of our stuff too, So it wasn't

559
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 6: like everybody got a chair, no suitcases, got one of

560
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 6: those chairs. You could sleep in the on the floor

561
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 6: in between all of them, or sit up, you know,

562
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 6: because it couldn't replying all the way because the stuff

563
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 6: of the bag. It was bizarre. But you know that

564
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 6: oak Wood was like I used to throw the football

565
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 6: around with Jessica Bill played basketball and Macaulay Culkin. It

566
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 6: was just all this weirdness, like such a weird My

567
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 6: first year out of the in Los Angeles, especially around Oakwood,

568
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 6: was so packed full of weird memories that oh.

569
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, wild and fun and.

570
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 6: Bizarre, just bizarre times.

571
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so life like drastically changes that very very quickly. Yeah,

572
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: you get you get Sabrina, you shoot the pilot within

573
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: the first season. It's an undeniable smash for the network.

574
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: How does life change for you?

575
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: And bigger fan?

576
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, we Van, how does life change for you? What

577
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: do you do?

578
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 6: I I it was still seventeen, so I couldn't legally

579
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 6: get an apartment, so I had to get one of

580
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 6: the Van guys to co signs so I could have

581
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 6: an apartment.

582
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: Okay, And then things.

583
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 6: Just got progressively weirder because the roommate was odd and

584
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 6: he came home one night. I was sitting on the

585
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 6: couch in the dark, playing my guitar, watching the Tube

586
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 6: television that was about this big and weighed seventy five pounds.

587
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 6: And it's dark in the room. The door's open, the

588
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 6: light from the hallway I see this big hair. I

589
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 6: was like, what who? So I'm getting robbed by somebody

590
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 6: crazy And the lights come on and I'm still playing

591
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 6: the guitar as the lights come on and it's David

592
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 6: Lee Roth coming through the door. Wow, it came back

593
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 6: from the bar with this roommate guy I had. And

594
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 6: he starts singing. So I just kept playing.

595
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: And so David Lee Roth comes into your apartment.

596
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 6: Singing out for the song I'm playing.

597
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: And what does he just pour himself a drink and

598
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: make himself at home.

599
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 6: No, he pulled out from his tuxedo jacket pocket a

600
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 6: large manila envelope and opens it up and folds it

601
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 6: out on the table and it's a pile of cocaine

602
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 6: like this, and he goes, take what you want, and

603
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 6: I was I was like, all right, this is gone.

604
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 6: It's well beyond my level of how much weird I

605
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 6: could take. So I'm gonna go to sleep. Thanks, thanks

606
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 6: for the good times. And about five thirty six am

607
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 6: I still hear them rustling around out there, so I

608
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 6: go out and it's time for Diamond David to go home,

609
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 6: and so we walk them down the elevators down to

610
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 6: you know, the sun's coming up, and his limo driver,

611
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 6: the poor guy had been out there all night sitting

612
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 6: in the car waiting for him. And you know, it

613
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 6: wasn't a great part of Hollywood that we were living

614
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 6: at the time in that apartment. It wasn't Oakwood at

615
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 6: that time. This is later than that, and so we

616
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 6: had prostitutes all all the way around the limo looking

617
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 6: in the windows to see who's in there. And Dave

618
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 6: comes out of our apartment.

619
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 9: And goes, hey, ladies, and we all freak out out Dave,

620
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 9: and he's signing autograph and he gets in his limo

621
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 9: and he drives New Day.

622
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 7: Beginning Beginning, Project Star, rock Star, still rock Star, And

623
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 7: all of this stuff happens within the first year that

624
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 7: I'm here, and it's just like nothing like that, you know,

625
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 7: has happened since.

626
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 4: Welcome to Hollywood, kid.

627
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much pretty much.

628
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: So what does your family think at this point? You're

629
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: now on a huge.

630
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 6: Very little oh about the show?

631
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to know what do they think about

632
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: David Lee Roth and the Mount of Coke, the Mount

633
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: of Cocaine.

634
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 6: No, uh, they were. I think they were in a

635
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 6: little bit of disbelief because he thought, Oh, he's gonna

636
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 6: go out there, he's gonna run out of money, he's

637
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 6: gonna come home. And honestly, that's what I figured was

638
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 6: coming out.

639
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: You're like, it was a possibility, to be.

640
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 6: Honest, Yeah, I had to give it a shot, you know.

641
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, did they watch Sabrina?

642
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, they had a watch party for our

643
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 6: pilot and had all their friends and family come over.

644
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 6: And yeah, the.

645
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: First of all, I'm gonna have nine hundred questions about

646
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 5: David Roth and the cocaine.

647
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: I won't ask any of those. I will I will

648
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: get I'll keep it Sabrina friendly.

649
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 6: I don't even know what kind of audience you guys aren't.

650
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 6: We got all ages we did.

651
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 5: We say words and everything, cocaine, David Lee Roth fans,

652
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 5: so going we are show obviously you have. The schedule

653
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 5: is very particular because then it builds up to audience

654
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 5: night and that's you know, you're pointing towards the show.

655
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 5: Were you guys filming almost every day or did you

656
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 5: have standard run throughs and rehearsals and then you'd choot

657
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 5: a day.

658
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 6: Monday was table read and half a day a run through.

659
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 6: I mean we showed up at ten and we were

660
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 6: done by I don't know four or five. Yeah, yeah,

661
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 6: and then Tuesday was more blocking and then the network

662
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 6: run through at the end of that day, and then Wednesday, Thursday,

663
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 6: Friday we.

664
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: Shot you shot three day.

665
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 6: Ok. Yeah, gotch because all the little mash moments. Yeah,

666
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 6: a lot of pausing, and back then it was still

667
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 6: you know, it was still early on in all those effects. So, yeah,

668
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 6: there were things like they'd have a large tube television.

669
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 6: What was the biggest one back then thirty six inches?

670
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a fifty I was a rock star

671
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 5: the first thing I bought.

672
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, like people to carry it. It was insane. Yeah,

673
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: it was awesome. Yeah.

674
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 6: So I remember them having to basically with a grease

675
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 6: marker or grease pen draw the outline of say, she's

676
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 6: just popping in a book, so and she'd have to

677
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 6: hold like that and they'd lock off the camera, lock it.

678
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 6: Sometimes we would go to lunch at that point and

679
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 6: then she have to come back and they'd be like, okay,

680
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 6: hand up, just a little bit drop your pinky, all right,

681
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 6: lift your thumb and action and then you know, and

682
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 6: so that took a lot of time to get all

683
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 6: those moments. We were shooting three cameras, so it did help.

684
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, can you think of one, one specific like magic

685
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: moment that just took forever to have to do?

686
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 6: No, No, it's good. The guy, yeah, yeah, the guy

687
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 6: who ran it, uh, Steve Kolback, he uh was, he

688
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 6: was just I think he just had it down after

689
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 6: a while. I mean at first it was tough to

690
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 6: get because to just first of all, you're looking you know,

691
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 6: your flipped reversed image, so you gotta have that communication down.

692
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 6: But by the end, he's like the or they would

693
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 6: turn the monitor toward you so you could kind of

694
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 6: see where, you know. And I didn't personally have to

695
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 6: do a.

696
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: Lot of that, right, Yeah, you weren't magic.

697
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 6: Melissa did spend a lot of after hours, you know. Yeah. Yeah,

698
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 6: I get like Trooper, right, Yeah, she's in almost every scene.

699
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 6: She has to do almost all of that magic stuff.

700
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, I mean the stuff for me is like, oh,

701
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 6: I got turned into a frog. So I'm sitting in

702
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 6: a car behind it with a green screen and I

703
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 6: just kind of have to go yeah, right, yeah, that'll work.

704
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 4: You know, you're good, We'll make that work.

705
00:34:46,400 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 8: Thank you.

706
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: You recently said that you only watched like two episodes

707
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: during the show's run, which is something you have in

708
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: common with Writer. Writer also watched a couple episodes early

709
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: on and then said, this is not for me. Why

710
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: didn't you watch the show while it was on.

711
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 6: I think just watching myself, I would get two in

712
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 6: my head or something.

713
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 5: You know.

714
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 6: I didn't want to, you know, I wanted to feel

715
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 6: how I was doing and see the reactions that I

716
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 6: was hoping to get. Because the crew was welcome to

717
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 6: laugh at things. So if you can crack the crew up,

718
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 6: that was pretty much your goal. So yeah, no, I

719
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 6: think I would have gotten too much in my head. Also,

720
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 6: I wasn't really in the demographic for the show.

721
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't.

722
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 6: It wasn't Cheers, it wasn't you know, right, but they

723
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 6: were really genius about having you know, I really did

724
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 6: get the whole family to watch it. When you've got

725
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 6: basically this kids show, YEP, but all the guest stars,

726
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 6: the parents tuned in for Shelley Long and for George

727
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 6: went uh.

728
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: Davy Jones, uh, we had had.

729
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 6: On the same network, right, So yeah, I'm sure they

730
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 6: got a deal.

731
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: Yeah you do.

732
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 6: You guys just shoot on Friday or Thursday night, Thursday night,

733
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 6: Thursday nights, what was Friday?

734
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: Then table day?

735
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, following okay?

736
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

737
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 6: Was that the typical.

738
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: Form it was for us because Michael Jacobs was Jewish

739
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 3: and observed the Sabbath, so he wanted his early day

740
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: to be Friday, So we would be done usually by

741
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: like three or four o'clock on Friday, so that he

742
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: could go and then we'd be able to tape late

743
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: on Thursdays.

744
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: Sweet, and then by the end we didn't rehearse at

745
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: all on Fridays and.

746
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: Then bounce Sweet.

747
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 5: That was it was like that was like by sixth season,

748
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: it was like we worked.

749
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: We don't want to rehearse anymore on this down.

750
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 5: I don't want to stay here for three hours when

751
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 5: you look back at it.

752
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 6: Awful.

753
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 5: Now.

754
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 6: I was always too shy to put any foot down

755
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 6: for myself.

756
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 8: Yeah.

757
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: Were you also auditioning for movies at the same time

758
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: or were you just focused on Sabrina?

759
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 6: I didn't really. It's an interesting situation with my representation,

760
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 6: let's just put it that way. I didn't get sent

761
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 6: out for a lot. I actually just had my first

762
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 6: ever audition for a Law and Order. Isn't that weird?

763
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 6: But then I should have had a Law and Order audition,

764
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 6: should I? I mean so many shows they even had

765
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 6: back then. Yeah, so, I mean that's that's the way

766
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 6: I weigh it out, you know, not a Law and Order.

767
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, no, I I did have some. And what

768
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 6: ended up happening was I get offered things and I

769
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 6: would do them. And am I saying too much already?

770
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 6: Danielle and I would just.

771
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 3: Do that movie exactly what you're talking about.

772
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 6: I'm going there.

773
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: Joe, Nate and I did a movie together called game

774
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: Box one point Oh, we.

775
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 6: Never We've never daniel has never mentioned Daniel ever I

776
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 6: have done. We've gone a great links to make sure

777
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 6: you never did.

778
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: So we're going to be reviewing that movie on the podcast.

779
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: Should we really should review?

780
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 4: Of course we should? Was there a game Box two point?

781
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 5: Oh?

782
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: They wanted there to be, but it was.

783
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 6: Wishful thinking in that title that.

784
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many days did we shoot that in?

785
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: I think a week?

786
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 6: I mean, really we shot the rehearsals. I can tell

787
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 6: you that I know there was no, what is this

788
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 6: movie about?

789
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: And how have we never discussed game Box?

790
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 6: I hadn't seen. Okay, so the first nineties gone. I

791
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 6: see Caroline showing up in her shuttle. We sit down

792
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 6: in this little lobby area at the hotel. I kind

793
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 6: of turn over. I'm sitting with Caroline in this way.

794
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 6: My manager's sitting over here. She gets distracted over here.

795
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 6: I get distracted over there. And the next thing I know,

796
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 6: Danielle has coming and sat in between us, and she's

797
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 6: talking to Caroline, and Caroline says, oh, Nate, Danielle, do

798
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 6: you guys know each other? And I said, oh, yeah,

799
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 6: Danielle and I did this cinematic masterpiece. Danielle goes, shut up.

800
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: Your mouth, shut Nate, geez, I go to great lengths

801
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: and never talk about these things. And Nate's just over here,

802
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 3: willy nilly throwing them out.

803
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, here he.

804
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: Is, join it on my podcast. Why did I invite

805
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 3: you here?

806
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 6: I'm thinking at it that.

807
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 4: Nothing.

808
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: We absolutely will review it. It's I avoided watching it

809
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: for a long time and then did watch it, and there,

810
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what to call those special effects.

811
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 4: Oh my god, said two thousand and four.

812
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 5: Science fiction you did a science fiction action movie and

813
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 5: you've never brought this up.

814
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't know if I'm excited or pissed.

815
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: Oh I'm looking at the trailer right now. Why are

816
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: you unconscious? I have so many questions.

817
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 6: Wow, you're excited or pissed. Once you watch it, you'll

818
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 6: be neither one of those.

819
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: Yes, you'll be expert.

820
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 5: Video game tester escapes reality by playing a mysterious game

821
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 5: he received in the mail. The game immerses the player

822
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 5: in a virtual world, the only catch being that if

823
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 5: he doesn't win the game, it'll cost him his life.

824
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 6: Yes.

825
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: What, Oh oh, I'm so excited.

826
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 8: Gripping, gripping, I'm so excited.

827
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: You have no idea.

828
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 6: I really shouldn't talk of the stuff that. I mean,

829
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 6: they handed me the job. I should be grateful, right.

830
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

831
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 5: Wait, Patrick Renna was in this too, Yes, he was

832
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 5: together so many.

833
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 6: Daniel you didn't have any scenes with them. I think

834
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 6: it was just like in my office scenes.

835
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe I wouldn't have even yeah, okay, well.

836
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not like we had a wrap party or anything.

837
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 5: You are there any other films that you've done, Danielle

838
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 5: that we are unaware.

839
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 4: Of Oh this is the best. Thank you love when

840
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 4: we find new episodes.

841
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 2: That's definitely an episode.

842
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: We were definitely doing that as a rewatch for sure, And.

843
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 6: That'll be the first time I've watched it other than

844
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 6: I did go to the screening, but I kind of

845
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 6: watched it.

846
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: Like like, yeah, I know, did I go to that screening?

847
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: Was there too?

848
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 6: Don't think so.

849
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: I don't think she was already avoiding it.

850
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, this project and every all the crew, everybody is

851
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 6: like just kind of silently walked out of the theater.

852
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 8: After all, that was a movie.

853
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: That was a movie we made did something. We made something.

854
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: That's the worst feeling in the world, though, when you're

855
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: the actor that like, yeah, I've had to get up

856
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: and do Q and as after a premiere screening for

857
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: something that I was in, and I'm just like, I

858
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: don't feel good about this.

859
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

860
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: I have a question, why did your movie suck?

861
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: Exactly?

862
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 6: I have answers for that.

863
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 5: Now.

864
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've all been there. We've all been there.

865
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: So, Nate, you did one hundred and twenty five episodes

866
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: of Sabrina. How many seasons was.

867
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 8: That I did?

868
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's quite a few, quite a few how many seasons?

869
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 6: I think we did six altogether. They revamped the ship

870
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 6: at one point, so I got booted and then they

871
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 6: brought me. What was that like for the last two episodes?

872
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Boy Meets World did that to people too, where

873
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you just show up and it's

874
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: a new season and there's somebody's not going to be

875
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 3: there anymore. How did you find out they were going

876
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: to let you go?

877
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 6: Paul told me, and she did it very nicely. I

878
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 6: think it would have boiled down to wash we've exhausted

879
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 6: the storylines for your character and we're going in a

880
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 6: different direction before the you know, this was towards the

881
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 6: end of the last year that I did the full

882
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 6: of yeah okay, and I was I was like, what

883
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 6: exactly does that? I didn't realize I was getting fired

884
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 6: just yet. I was like, what exactly does that mean?

885
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: Right right? Where did your where did your character's storyline?

886
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: And like where did it end? When they were then

887
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: letting you know that we've exhausted it. Were you a

888
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: couple with with Sabrina? What was your what was your storyline?

889
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 6: I don't know. I didn't watch damn thing. No, wait,

890
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 6: did it No, I think No, I think she'd been

891
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 6: dating David Lasher's character at that point or had that

892
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 6: not happened. No, I think we were still together. Okay,

893
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 6: and then but we knew we were going to different colleges.

894
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh, comeing to that effect.

895
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I watched the very first one we shot. Yeah,

896
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 6: because Melissa had a party and made us all watch it.

897
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 6: I watched the first one she ever directed, because she

898
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 6: had a party and at us all over to watch it.

899
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: Okay, those are the two episodes you had seen.

900
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: And then Florissa, So.

901
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: They let you, they let you go, and it's crushing.

902
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, what do you do next?

903
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing, you know. I was still twenty,

904
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 6: I want to say twenty one, twenty, you know, I

905
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 6: was just like, oh, something else.

906
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: But your representation still a.

907
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 6: Kid, And yeah, they didn't really have anything lined up

908
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 6: for me. I did come pretty close to scrubs. It

909
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 6: was about that time. I think we were shifting over.

910
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 6: That might have been a little earlier, you know, I

911
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 6: got real close to a lot of things, but yeah,

912
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 6: just never clicked, and and the auditions became very very

913
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 6: few and far between after my agent had passed away,

914
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 6: and so I kind of got left with whoever was

915
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 6: around to to take me at the time, and being

916
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 6: a kid from Minnesota, like I didn't know anything about career.

917
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: Choices or staying.

918
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 6: Active or proactive.

919
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: And you know, we've talked about that so much on

920
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: the show about how for all of us whose families

921
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with the entertainment industry, knowing to

922
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: think of what we were doing like a business and

923
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 3: thinking about, you know, well, I got to strike while

924
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: the iron's hot. They just let me go from Sabrina.

925
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: I've just spent five seasons on that. I'm probably a

926
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: pretty hot commodity right now. And if my agent's not

927
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: finding me somebody even just thinking about the fact that

928
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: your representation should be working for you and for you

929
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: to then be like shopping yourself to other agents and

930
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: managers like you would have been snapped up immediately had

931
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: you known to even be shopping yourself.

932
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 6: Not a clue, Not a clue. I have no idea.

933
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: And there's no social media, so it's not like.

934
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 6: Do something else for a while. If I thought a

935
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 6: duplex I was remodeling that I had a construction background

936
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 6: as a kid, so I was just having fun with

937
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 6: life as a twenty something.

938
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: When did you What do you mean you had a

939
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: construction background? You started on Sabrina at seventeen? When did you?

940
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 3: When did you learn construction?

941
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 6: I grew out. My dad was in construction all of

942
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 6: his life, and on the side he would build a

943
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 6: house while we lived in it, he would build another

944
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 6: one and then we'd sell and move on the side

945
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 6: of his regular sheet gig. So you know the house

946
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 6: when we were living in, uh, my sister and I

947
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 6: would started to get to that age. We were bickering

948
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 6: a lot, and so our rooms are right next to

949
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 6: each other. So my dad said, I'm buying the lumber.

950
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 6: Go down on the basement, frame it in, hang the drywall.

951
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 6: And that's where my room was for junior high high school.

952
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 6: But yeah, I just grew up. My first job job,

953
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 6: apart from acting, was literally roofing houses in the summertime.

954
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: Wow, gosh, that's so cool, so cool. I do how

955
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: to do nothing?

956
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: He could be Panca, I could be I could do

957
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Barbie commercials.

958
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: I could I could go to her.

959
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 6: Yeah out here and where I'm from. It's just like

960
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 6: that's if you can't do that, there's something wrong with you.

961
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: As a boy.

962
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 6: Anyway. Yeah, I mean you just yeah. My first toys

963
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 6: were a chunk of two by four and a hammer.

964
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: Adler needs What is Adler doing with his life? He

965
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 3: is six years old and he doesn't know how to

966
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: build a room.

967
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 6: Gotta get him on it.

968
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: Come on, Adler, you're coming a slacker.

969
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 6: This old house is still watchable, exactly.

970
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 3: Nate, you have been very open about how anxiety and

971
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: depression helps you back from being really able to pursue

972
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: acting much past Sabrina. Something else you and will have

973
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: in common. When did you start to experience anxiety and depression? Uh?

974
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 6: I want to say like around puberty, and not that

975
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 6: it had anything to do with being interested in girls

976
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 6: or the changes. I mean, probably chemical changes, but I

977
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 6: know some of its hereditary. My mother's battled with it

978
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 6: all her life, and it's a generalized anxiety disorder. I'll

979
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 6: have random panic attacks over nothing.

980
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 4: Yep, It's fun, isn't it.

981
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

982
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 6: I did have a very long wait for an audition

983
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 6: for Team America. Turns out they didn't hire any actors

984
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 6: at all, But I waited in the waiting room for

985
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 6: I think it was a total of three and a

986
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 6: half hours.

987
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 4: I was sitting right next to you, were you? Yeah?

988
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 6: And Paul Rudd was sitting across. I don't know.

989
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 4: I know Ian Zerring was there.

990
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 6: Did you go in? I can't remember you either went

991
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 6: in before me.

992
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: I don't know I did.

993
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 5: I did all the scratch track stuff for that for

994
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 5: Team America that day.

995
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, but they didn't.

996
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: They didn't put anybody in the movie, right, they don't

997
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: put anybody?

998
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 6: Oh?

999
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: Was he really good?

1000
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 6: Wow? Didn't really started talking about anxiety and panic attacks,

1001
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 6: and he started talking about lexapro and I'm on that

1002
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 6: to this day.

1003
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: So you left that audition with an idea in your

1004
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 3: mind that.

1005
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 6: Poets full of knowledge, you know, and it might be

1006
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 6: a Midwest thing as well, or maybe it was just

1007
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 6: the time, but you did not talk about that kind

1008
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 6: of stuff.

1009
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 5: You know.

1010
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 6: I was afraid to talk about it. I thought I'd

1011
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 6: get fired first of all. You know, you feel like

1012
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 6: there's something definitely wrong with me that I that I

1013
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 6: just have to get over or I have to fix

1014
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 6: this on.

1015
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: My own, and if I tell people about it, it's

1016
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: going to be a liability, right.

1017
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 6: Yeah. I was no doubt in my mind they would

1018
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 6: have fired me. Whether that's true or not. I have

1019
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 6: no idea, but that's the extra, that's the real stress

1020
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 6: I lived under, you know. But I could have a

1021
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 6: panic attack in line at the grocery store, so it's

1022
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 6: not like there's any rhyme or reason to it.

1023
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 3: How were you able to balance that while also being

1024
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: on Sabrina? Did you ever have a panic attack on

1025
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: set or while.

1026
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 6: Lots oh, lots, lots and lots. Yeah, you just kind

1027
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 6: of suck it up. Yeah, and that, like I said,

1028
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 6: that's back before medication. I don't think the lexapro came

1029
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 6: to I don't know when was Team America.

1030
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 5: Yeah seriously, well I started, so I started on boos

1031
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 5: Bar when it was boost Bar and Selexo when I

1032
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 5: was it was six season of Boy between six and

1033
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 5: seven bar and medication.

1034
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, how.

1035
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 6: How were you able to procure that?

1036
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 4: My doctor?

1037
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 5: So I went to a doctor because I thought I

1038
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 5: was dying. I yeah, my first anxiety attack took place

1039
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 5: on camera, like they used the take I was shooting

1040
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 5: a movie, so I can actually watch my first anxiety.

1041
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: Wow, And I thought I was dying.

1042
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 5: So when I got home, I've had the same doctor

1043
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 5: since I was like seventeen, and I sat there and

1044
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 5: I'm telling them all the symptoms and he said, oh,

1045
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 5: you have I think anxiety. And I said, no, no, you

1046
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 5: don't understand. It's like or I'm having a stroke or something.

1047
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 5: He said, no, no, it's anxiety. I said, no, it's

1048
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 5: not listen to me, and so he started to read all.

1049
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 5: He goes, let me read you a list of things,

1050
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 5: and he read me essentially everything I was going through.

1051
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 5: And I said, yes, that whatever that is, that's what

1052
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 5: I have. And he turned over the pamphlet and it says,

1053
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 5: so you're dealing with anxiety. And it was actually a

1054
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 5: pamphlet put out by this a medication called boose Bar

1055
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 5: at the time, which also I think the side effect

1056
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 5: they said is that I might have quit smoking too,

1057
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 5: which is like one of those kind of things, which

1058
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 5: I didn't. But yeah, the Boosbar was the first thing

1059
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 5: that I took, and then I was taking that during Boy.

1060
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 5: Which is why between six and seven season I put

1061
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 5: on so much weight. Is because the medication, I was,

1062
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 5: you know, you gain weight on a lot of this stuff.

1063
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 5: So I came back a lot heavier because I was

1064
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 5: just medicating myself to perform. So it was, yeah, I

1065
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 5: was doing that same thing. But you know, you're right,

1066
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 5: you didn't. It's like, why am I wait, I'm having

1067
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 5: a panic attack? Now, what the hell is this for?

1068
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1069
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: I just never knew.

1070
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you doesn't believe me either, and you didn't know

1071
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 5: when they were going to come, and it was that

1072
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 5: was the thing. And then because you couldn't talk about

1073
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 5: it at the time, then you're just suffering with it

1074
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 5: in silence, and it just gets worse. You just start

1075
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 5: to spiral because because of all that stuff. So, yeah, nowadays,

1076
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 5: with at least being able to discuss mental health, you know,

1077
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 5: nowadays you say, oh, I'm sorry, I deal with anxiety.

1078
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 5: I'm a little a little anxious right now. Half of

1079
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 5: the people in the room go me too, like, don't

1080
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 5: worry about it.

1081
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 4: They good.

1082
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 6: That was the biggest game changer for me. Yeah, besides

1083
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 6: the lacks of pro obviously, but just the fact that

1084
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 6: you hear so many times I have that as well. Yeah, yeah,

1085
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 6: and just knowing how common it is. Really it's not

1086
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 6: like you know, you're grown up to think that something's

1087
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 6: wrong with you, that's a problem, there's something wrong with you,

1088
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 6: Suck it up, get over it, and uh yeah, just

1089
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 6: knowing that there's so many people that have it too.

1090
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: It is just yeah, yeah, knowing you're not blown.

1091
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 4: But yeah, So.

1092
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 6: Got done with the show, and you know, there weren't

1093
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 6: a lot of auditions. A lot of the ones I

1094
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 6: was getting I wasn't really right for, and then the

1095
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 6: ones I really wanted. I would have full blown panic

1096
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 6: attacks in the audition. And I even had some casting

1097
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 6: directors say, hey, can you stay for forty five minutes

1098
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 6: or an hour and they would work with me on

1099
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 6: the auditions knowing that I was suffering. Maybe they didn't

1100
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 6: know why, but there were a few casting directors out

1101
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 6: there that were extra helpful.

1102
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 4: That's awesome. I just stopped auditioning. I literally just stopped

1103
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 4: for years, and.

1104
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 6: I did eventually. I just kind of gave up. I

1105
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 6: never called it giving up. I always but I wasn't

1106
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 6: doing anything at all proactive other than making sure I

1107
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 6: had representation who was also not very proactive.

1108
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: So makes the makes trying to have a career very

1109
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: difficult in that situation.

1110
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 6: So I was like just waiting for the phone to ring, like.

1111
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 8: That was gonna Yeah.

1112
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 4: I still do that. They joke with me to this

1113
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 4: day that I still do that.

1114
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 5: Where They're like, well, if you want to get in

1115
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 5: a Hallmark movie, you got to do something about it.

1116
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 5: In writers like, you're just waiting for them to knock

1117
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 5: on the door. And I'm like, yeah, exactly, I knock.

1118
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 4: On the door.

1119
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 3: Well, thinks that because we talked about him wanting to

1120
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: do a Hallmark movie on the podcast.

1121
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 4: Enough, that's my audition.

1122
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: That's there.

1123
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 4: That auditioning is still my biggest trigger. So I just

1124
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 4: don't do it.

1125
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I got to the point where I really

1126
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 6: wanted to work again. It's the only like, it's the

1127
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 6: only time that I am actually comfortable, Like when the

1128
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 6: cameras rolling, I can't remember ever having a panic attack, right,

1129
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 6: it's everything else that comes along with it. So just

1130
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 6: the auditions, especially you feel like you got the interrogation

1131
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 6: light on you, that sort of thing. And so, you know,

1132
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 6: just a few years by maybe twenty seventeen, I really

1133
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 6: wanted to start auditioning again and get the representation and

1134
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 6: be proactive. And I knew I needed to get over

1135
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 6: that hurdle, and so I was trying to think of, like,

1136
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 6: what's the scariest thing I could think of was getting

1137
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 6: on stage, which I'm not a theater actor. You know,

1138
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 6: I like the ship and a bottle sort of thing

1139
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 6: that we do with television, and you know, not the

1140
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 6: open sea thing that live theater is so getting on

1141
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 6: stage without a script. So I started doing Second City

1142
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 6: and just the games that they play, and just the

1143
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 6: stuff that forces you to get out there and start

1144
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 6: opening your mouth and getting those laughs is so much fun.

1145
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 6: And unfortunately I didn't survive COVID, but that's what I

1146
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 6: ended up doing, and I did that for a few years.

1147
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 6: And now it's like that fear around auditioning has now

1148
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 6: gone right at the time where we're all doing self tape.

1149
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: Now I can't run it into practice right right.

1150
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like that that part of the fear

1151
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 6: is maybe not gone gone, but at least I've got

1152
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 6: got some tools to make it manageable.

1153
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 5: You know.

1154
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 3: That's great, And as you mentioned, we are now able

1155
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 3: to participate in some great nostalgia conventions, including Nineties con.

1156
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: What has it been like for you to revisit Sabrina

1157
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 3: and seeing its effect on fans thirty years later.

1158
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 6: It's been really great. When we used to do things

1159
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 6: like that back in the day, I was always terrified

1160
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 6: to do them. Feeling so self conscious all this other

1161
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 6: stuff we've been talking about, and this time around, it's

1162
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 6: it's almost like I'm just having this the nostalgia with them. Yeah,

1163
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 6: so they're they're telling me that I have to remember, oh, yeah,

1164
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 6: I was that guy a lot of times, you know.

1165
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 6: And so to to find out how much love everybody

1166
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 6: had for the show, and you know, I've had so

1167
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 6: many gay men say, there was this particular episode you did,

1168
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 6: Sabrina turns into a boy, but she's still being a feminine,

1169
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 6: and I'm saying to her, you know, it's cool with me.

1170
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 6: I just don't want you to you know. So I

1171
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 6: was being protective basically, And so many gay men have

1172
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 6: said you helped me have the courage to come out

1173
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 6: to my friends when and family for that matter. But

1174
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 6: you know, I think mom and dad are an obstacle,

1175
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 6: but friends are another obstacle. And so that was super,

1176
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 6: super freaking heartwarming. I get choked up when I hear

1177
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 6: those stories and just how connected people feel to the show,

1178
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 6: to the characters, and how much we all were a

1179
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 6: part of people's childhoods. I don't know, it's something you

1180
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 6: you didn't I didn't think of at the time that

1181
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 6: I was going to be shaping people's childhoods, are a

1182
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 6: part of shaping people's childhoods, and now their kids are

1183
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 6: watching it with them, with these reruns on Amazon or

1184
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 6: Hulu or wherever they're seeing it, and it's just, I

1185
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 6: don't know, it's a fantastic feeling. So to get to

1186
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 6: relive it with everybody at these conventions, is it's really

1187
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 6: something special.

1188
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I know we feel very much the same way.

1189
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 3: Like you said, it feels like there's something about being

1190
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: older and having the distance from it that now instead

1191
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: of it feeling so much like it's us, it does

1192
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: it feels almost like slightly like other people. There's something

1193
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: that feels just so much we're like we're experiencing the

1194
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 3: nostalgia with them. Exactly what you said was a great

1195
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: way of saying it.

1196
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 6: Our crews were family, our casts were family, and now

1197
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 6: the audience I really feel that with them as well,

1198
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 6: which is definitely. Well.

1199
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 3: I know you've since seen I know you said during

1200
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: the time the show was on you had only seen

1201
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: two episodes, but since then you have seen more Sabrina

1202
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 3: episodes because you have a teenage son, right, and he

1203
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 3: wanted to watch it.

1204
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 6: Uh, yeah, well he does that by himself.

1205
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 5: I still don't know.

1206
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 6: No, I don't think he wanted me to see it

1207
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 6: with him either.

1208
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 3: What do you think his react? Did he tell you

1209
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 3: what his reaction was to seeing his teenage dad on

1210
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: screen in front of him?

1211
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 6: You know what I hear the most is, Oh, I

1212
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 6: look so much like you did back then. So it's

1213
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 6: like I'm looking at a mirrors that is so cute.

1214
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: Has he shown any interest in the business.

1215
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, he's doing a musical right now. Yep, So

1216
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 6: I'm going up there to watch him in Rent.

1217
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 4: It's just a bunch of people who don't have a job.

1218
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 5: That's all at Rent is when I every time I

1219
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 5: see it as an adult now, I'm.

1220
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: Like, wow, someone get a job and you can keep

1221
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: your place.

1222
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 4: Try that.

1223
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 6: But it's also like a really nice place, isn't it.

1224
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 4: That's all right?

1225
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: Well, that's wonderful. Congratulations. I hope, I hope you enjoy

1226
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 3: watching him in Rent. Don't let Will's no, it's.

1227
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 4: A great show.

1228
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: A bunch of dead beats love it.

1229
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: I love Grandpa. Republicans well, Republican.

1230
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 5: It's just as a kid, you watch it, You're like, yeah,

1231
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 5: they're fighting for the power as an adult, and like

1232
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 5: someone needs to get a job.

1233
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 4: No, one get a job.

1234
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 5: That's your problem. Why you can't afford rent? You can

1235
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 5: sing as much as you want.

1236
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 6: What are their professions?

1237
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 5: They one of them carries the camera, you know, one

1238
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 5: of them does that, the other one does nothing. It's like, hey,

1239
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 5: so weird, I didn't do anything today and rent the chances.

1240
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Nate says, somebody do some roofs. Come on, yeah, yeah, come.

1241
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 6: On, yeah, I'm going to get some roofing.

1242
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you gotta do something or else. David is

1243
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: not going to show up with a giant thing of cocaine.

1244
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 4: You gotta earn that, mate.

1245
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here with us.

1246
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 6: Thank you guys so much.

1247
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 3: I'm fun to talk to you. Hopefully we get to

1248
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 3: reunite with you soon, if not in a nineties con

1249
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: at a taco party or a Korean barbecue party, some

1250
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: sort of get gathering. We would love to see you

1251
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:39,959
Speaker 3: again soon.

1252
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 6: Game Box, we are going to do that we've been

1253
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 6: meaning to do. I kept my mouth shut on that one.

1254
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 4: Excited, yeah, so excited for this.

1255
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, always to see you. Give

1256
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 3: our love to Natanya, please will do I will.

1257
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: Good to say?

1258
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 7: Right?

1259
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 4: Oh god, some of the stories.

1260
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 5: So I'm not even gonna get into game backs because

1261
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 5: I'm like, how have you never mentioned this movie before?

1262
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 4: Just the title game box one point?

1263
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 3: Oh magical goodness. Yeah, his stories though, that's what was

1264
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 3: David Lee Roth coming home with his roommate.

1265
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: I get.

1266
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously just to do blow, but if you've

1267
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 5: got that much coke, then what are you going to?

1268
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 4: Somebody else?

1269
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 3: I still got a limo, and exactly.

1270
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: It was probably like an Awards show night, and like

1271
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: everyone else went home and.

1272
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: He was like, I keep going, Let's take a limo

1273
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: and let's on somebody. He's in a tuxedo.

1274
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: He must have been coming off of like the Grammys

1275
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: or something. And everybody else went to sleep, and he's like, well,

1276
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: I got the limb until five in the morning.

1277
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 5: So let's go to some random apartment in Hollywood.

1278
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 8: Why not?

1279
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: Like where did he live? Why not go to David

1280
01:03:59,680 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: Lee Row.

1281
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: You would think, yeah, very strength, and there's like forty

1282
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: two people living in a van.

1283
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 5: Oh.

1284
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 4: I mean some of the stories he had.

1285
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: Are nine people in the studios.

1286
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: But I totally yeah, I know that, Like at that age,

1287
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: like I didn't care, Like the idea where I slept,

1288
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: I didn't care.

1289
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: I would just be like, oh, yeah, what are we doing,

1290
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna you know.

1291
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: If I like went on a road trip or somebody,

1292
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: we would just sleep in cars on the side of

1293
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: the road.

1294
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: I mean everybody.

1295
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: I would literally just be like, we wouldn't even think

1296
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: about it, would just be like, well, we're going to

1297
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: get to New Orleans by what two days from now?

1298
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: So then we just sleep in fields, like.

1299
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 4: Just like pull off.

1300
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: And then if you wake up and like cows would

1301
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: be walking around you, and you just be like, oh right,

1302
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: the only thing you worried about is if a cop

1303
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: was going to like yeah, but it's so yeah, it's

1304
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: just now I'm like if I don't have a bed,

1305
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: that's man, that's so uncomfortable.

1306
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: But at that age, you just don't care. You're like,

1307
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: I'll sleep sitting up him and Michael Penya. I love it.

1308
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: I love it.

1309
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 4: The stories are great.

1310
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: He's always been like such a you can tell nothing

1311
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: about his success or anything has changed one bit of

1312
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,959
Speaker 3: who he was auring the time he was a kid,

1313
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: like just true salt of the earth, nice guy. Yeah, well,

1314
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 3: thank you all for joining us for this episode of

1315
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 3: Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on

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01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 3: Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send us your

1317
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: emails pod Meets World Show at gmail dot com. And

1318
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: we've got merch.

1319
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 4: In a world where your video games can kill you

1320
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 4: and Daniel Fishell pretends she wasn't in a movie. We

1321
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 4: give you game Box one point zero March.

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01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: I can't back for us this trailer.

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Speaker 4: We love you all, pod dismissed.

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Speaker 5: Pod Meets World is nheart podcast producer and hosted by

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Speaker 5: Daniel Fischel, Wilfredell and Ryder Strong Executive producers Jensen Carp

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Speaker 5: and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,

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Speaker 5: producer and editor, Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddie Moore, engineer and

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Speaker 5: Boy Meets World super Fanston Allen. Our theme song is

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Speaker 5: by Kyle Morton of Typhoon and you can follow us

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Speaker 5: on Instagram at Podmets World Show or email us at

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Speaker 5: Podmets Worldshow at gmail dot com