WEBVTT - Ep 64: Foals 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.520 Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:34.920 Good evening listeners, Welcome to tropical February in London. It's 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.560 weird and it worries me, and welcome to the first 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.159 episode of a brand new series of midnight Chats series 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:47.000 seven no less. Three years since we recorded the first 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.080 of these conversations with a microphone we brought off eBay, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.320 we are still going, still going strong. Those tuning in 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.960 for the first time, I'm not sure where you've been 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.560 maybe doing something more important, which is completely under standable, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:05.080 but this is what we do. Our podcasts are relaxed 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.840 chats with musicians who we think have something interesting to 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.759 say that loosely have a late night kind of vibe 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.960 and that's it. It's not overcomplicated. Sometimes it's me Greg 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.480 doing them and sometimes it's Stuart. And when we're not 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.640 doing this, we're making a magazine and website and videos 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.760 and it's called Loud and Quiet. It also has a 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.399 website which is Loud and Quiet dot com. But with 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.680 this new run of Midnight Chats, there will be a 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.760 fresh episode every Thursday, dropping at midnight for the next 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.480 ten weeks or so, and I can promise you that 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.680 this spring twenty nineteen series features guests that are at 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.040 least at least as good as those that we've had 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.240 on before. There's sixty three of those previous episodes now, 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.200 so do fill your boots if you have a particularly 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.560 quiet weekend coming up. Anyway, feel like this is a 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.440 really good one to begin on. Most of the time 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.480 when we're recording these podcasts, we're meeting the artist for 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.560 the first time, you know, we have a brief talk 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.880 about the weather, make them a cup of tea, and 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.240 then turn the MIC's on. But my guest on episode 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.840 sixty four is someone I've known for quite a while now, 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:25.959 about twelve years, i think, and he is Yannis Philipakis, 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.480 singer with Foals. I was lucky enough to be covered 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:33.560 in Cheap Beer at and write about a number of 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:37.400 the band's early shows. These days, over the course of 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:42.200 releasing four brilliant albums, they've very much outgrown playing illegal 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:47.640 squad parties. Instead, they now headline festivals. Twenty nineteen is 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.560 a new era for them since twenty fifteen's What Went Down, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.520 original bass player Walter left the band, and they've self 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.760 produced a pair of new albums that they will release 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.160 this year. The first of which which everything not saved 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.480 will be lost. Part one is out on March the eighth. Now, 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.600 this chat is quite fresh, recorded just last week, but 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.840 awards week in fact, in a slightly echoey photo studio 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.360 in South London. In it, we talk about drunk Russian 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:23.679 tourists with fireworks, Yannis's recent visit to a Greek monastery, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:30.720 social media Stormsy's upcoming headline show at Glastonbury, and why 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.720 his mum Yannis's mum changed the locks on the family 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.080 home's bathroom door. What's left to say? Well, it's good 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:40.880 to be back. If you like what you hear, please 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.720 do rate and comment and subscribe wherever you listen to 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.080 this all that stuff, But here we go the first 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.800 in a new run of Midnight Chats. This is yanis 0:03:50.840 --> 0:04:10.600 from False Jannis. Welcome to Midnight Chats. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:11.960 Good to be here, Thanks. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.480 For coming on. How has your day been so far? 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.080 It's been good. It's been quite long, been chatting. Did 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:18.960 some photos? 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.160 You know, all of the luxury problems that a man 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:24.160 and a band faces. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.360 And this week is a busy week in the music industry. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.599 There was the brit Awards this week. Did you go 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:30.040 to that? 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:31.000 No, I didn't. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.840 I've been in the rehearsal studio and basically, yeah, we've 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.640 been hammering it out for like six seven hours a 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.240 day and then come evening, go for like a pint 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.200 and then it's back to who just wiped afterwards? 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.040 So we didn't go to anything. Also, it's the Brits. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.560 Yeah, well you went a couple of year nominated and 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.760 went a few years aga. What was the actual experience? 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:51.120 Like, it was good. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.640 I just remember being you know, it's like it's just 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.960 pretty full on. But it was fun. I liked the 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.360 spectacle of it. The food was slightly into par What 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:01.839 did they say of that night? I remember, but it 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.039 was something on crute right. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.080 Okay it was it a bit like wedding food, like 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:06.600 when you go. 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.000 To Yeah, like wedding food, but made without the love. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.440 Okay, yeah, so but anyway, it was fun and then 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.479 the party, the after party is always quite fun. They 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.359 always get quite hedonistic of the borch and you always 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.320 like meet Liam Gallagher at three in the morning and 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.320 he's screaming at you wearing a white leather beret. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.560 Which is good, sounds quite fun. Twenty nineteen shaping up 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.440 to be a big year. For foals. Obviously. Where did 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.120 the year start for you? Where did you actually see 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.200 in twenty nineteen? 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:35.720 I was in India? 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.000 Okay, yeah, how was that? On holiday here? 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.760 It was great. I went with my partner and it 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:44.160 was great. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.360 We got fireworks shot almost directly at our head by 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:52.120 a load of highly inebriated Russians who earlier in the 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.479 evening had been wearing Santa Father Christmas hats and drinking 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:01.479 taputin while watching his annual address to the Russian Populace. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:02.599 It was fun. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.440 It was on a beach. I'd never been that close 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.360 to a firework like. I mean, they were literally they 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.560 were exploding at hare height. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.599 So this was no like organized fire displayed. This is 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.080 just people setting off for random It. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.960 Just mainly acts on a beach full of vodka setting 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:19.640 stuff on fire. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.760 It was great. I felt like it was a symbolic 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:24.640 start to the year. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:26.719 Did you spend Christmas in India as well? 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:27.080 No? 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.560 I had Christmas in London and then went to Oxford 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.640 on Boxing Day and then yeah, I went to India 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.480 and was there for a bit and it was great. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.440 I've never been before, but I loved it. I'd like 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.360 to go back and where did. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:41.599 You go goer? 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.680 Basically it was Mainian goer, So yeah, the first bit 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:49.120 of the holiday was yeah, in Russian trance party land 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:53.080 with relentless one sixty ppm kick drums and fireworks coming 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:53.440 at my. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:58.200 Head and dubious, dubious shrimps and prawns. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.080 I was just saw of baby hammerhead shark on a 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.839 fish blatter and I was absolutely horrified. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.000 So I was walking out of like a hotel resort 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:09.480 type thing. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.080 They had like the catch of the day on ice, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.360 you know, and there was your usual snapper and mullet, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.600 you know, there was there was classic there are your classics, 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.840 your classics, bear did bream, and then there was just 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.240 nestled in amongst you know. The more prevalent catch of 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.000 the day was an actual baby hammerhead shark, and I've 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:40.440 I've never been more disappointed in a fish fish selection ever. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.280 I just thought it was just outrageous. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.000 On all of your travels over the years, what's the 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.080 weirdest thing that you've tried in terms of food? 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:53.440 Yeah, usually I voyeuristically watched Edwin because he's kind of. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.640 The most intrepid first person in Yeah. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.800 Yeah, he has kind of no sense of self preservation 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.840 when it comes to food. I've watched them eat horse 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:05.560 ice cream in Japan. It was frozen slices of horse 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.000 meat and we ate it after a show, So imagining 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.720 that that's that's then going to float on a belly 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.880 full of vodka Red Bull at the time, which is 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.760 what the drink of choice was before the shows. 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:17.480 Horse ice cream. 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:22.920 He also ate on the same evening, he ate squid 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.080 testes or squid eggs or something. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.000 But yeah, he was a glutton for punishment that night. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.560 It was the same like Jack passed out in the 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.760 restaurant from jet lag, and we we fed him bits 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.839 of squid and we drew a little, gave him a 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:39.640 little French beard, a little little cyrano number, a little 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.040 GotY And he's never forgiven us for that, all right. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.520 He still brings it up there, Yeah we have. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:49.959 Yeah, it occasionally resurfaces on the internet. Yeah, yeah, I'm 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.120 pretty safe eater. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.679 In terms of travels, then, since what went down, he 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.320 had a bit of time off and then you came 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.920 back to recording and making a new record. Personal travel 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.760 like going away for fun and not for work as 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.000 you do all the time. Where else have you been 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:06.840 in between what the last couple of years, I mean 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.880 your adventures to India with some mad Russians. But where 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:10.360 else is. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.199 I went to Cape Town a couple of times. I 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.440 got some family there, so I went there and that 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.520 was cool. I mean, I always find it kind of 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.760 an ambivalent experience going. I love it, I love the landscape, 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:26.839 but the social injustices out there, Like I didn't never 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.120 find like it's not. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.760 I just always feel it a bit. I love it 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:33.959 as a place and I always. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.559 Have a great time, but you can't help but feel 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.640 that things are not right there. And then the main 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.360 place I spent time in was Greece. I went to 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:46.480 Mount Athos, which is like a monastic community. It's like 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.559 a peninsula and Greece, and it's been a monastic area 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.679 for over a thousand years. It's twenty eight monasteries there. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.720 You have to like get a special ticket to go there. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.440 You can only go by boat. They have a customs border. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:09:59.800 It's like so it's got its own island. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.959 It's no, it's it's it's on land, but you can 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.880 they don't let you go through the land border. Only 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.440 men are allowed, and it's only been men for like 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:09.360 a thousand years. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.840 And it's pretty intense. There's like, it's a pretty intense place. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.600 What is the lifestyle, like the people that. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.640 It's just monks. It's only monks that live there permanently. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.480 They have some and there's maybe a few people that 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.600 live there to help the monasteries or but it's only monks, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:28.720 proper monks. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.360 It's very it's very austere. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.199 So I've gotten this boat from a place called Ranopolis, 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.360 which is and it's kind of it's north of Athens. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.880 It's like you go from Thessaloniki and you go along 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.760 and you get this boat from the first thing you 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.760 notice is that on the boat it's only men, and 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.280 it's is it's very strange. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:52.079 And monks and the day tripping monks on their way 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:52.840 back or they've. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.319 Been, you know, they might have been on a I 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.280 don't know, they might have been to criticize the pope 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.600 or something because they're Greek Orthodox mostly there's some Russian 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:00.320 Orthodox as well. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.559 But and then the boat does some stock. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.679 A lot of the monasteries are on the sea and 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.960 they have their own like jetties or their own like harbor, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.880 not Harbor's, but they're their own docking stations and we 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.760 got off the one that I was staying at, and 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.040 there were these it was just something out of the 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.800 Middle Ages. There were these monks in like these smocks 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.640 who were going through their fishing nets and they had 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.120 sea urchins. They'd been catching sea urchins and there's some 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.200 fish and then you're there and it's like it's just 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.920 full on. They had their own their own clock, they 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.800 have their own time system. It doesn't align with what 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.600 we consider to be the twenty four hour clock. They're 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:41.240 thirteen days behind in the calendar. The food is spartan. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.160 The place we were at, what they were like no phones, 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.720 no drinking, no smoking, you can't talk, and meal times 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.280 you're up at three in the morning. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.920 To go to like services. That the thing I enjoyed. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.520 I love the music. I love the spiritual singing. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.760 It's going to say, did you go there with a 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.760 view to going on like a kind of mind retreat? 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:02.640 Was that the idea? 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:03.760 Yeah? Yeah? 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.520 And also I was just I was thinking, I just 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.800 felt curious about it as a place because it's just 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.559 a kind of in the same way, you know, I 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.520 want to go to Mongolia. I want to go I 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.600 want to do trips that I feel like interesting basically 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:17.599 mind expanding. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.880 Yeah, I just yeah, that's the kind of travel I enjoy. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:25.120 And Mount Athos is just somewhere where I was attracted 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.920 to the ancientness of it and and the austerity of it, 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.360 and the landscape's beautiful. You know. It's like most of 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.040 these monasteries were built like fortresses. They looked like castles 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.559 because of the piracy. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.240 In the Mediterranean. Yeah. I went there partly to. 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.960 I like, after touring, I like to do to put 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.760 myself in a situation that's going to freak me out, 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.559 Like it is going to be the most direct contrast 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.439 to tour and to all of the excesses of the 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:57.559 road is to go to a spartan ancient monastic community 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.880 and feel myself, you know, crawl. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.760 Purging the tour experience, cleanse the body. 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.720 Yeah. 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.079 And then yeah, did you find it useful? Did yeah 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:09.280 come back feeling refreshed? 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.800 Yeah, I mean I came back feeling like different, you know, 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.400 And I enjoyed this. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:17.520 Kind of like. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.800 Changes your sense of self when you're there. You know, 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.000 you think about who you are when you're in London. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.280 It's like you're attached all that there's all these attachments 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.800 we have as people when we're in a kind of 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:32.040 developed society in terms of fashion and our phones and 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.360 like how we slot in, we think about ourselves in 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:35.800 these ways. And when you go to something like that, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.079 like all of the coordinates and moves and you're just 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.760 just this person, you're just like a You're just a human. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:43.160 And I enjoyed that. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.120 And yeah, and the music, like the singing, the Byzantine singing, 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.920 I find it. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.000 I think it's cool. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.360 Did you snap out of those habitual things like that 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.800 we all have checking your phone every minute? 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.400 Yeah? I had to, Yeah, because it just wasn't any signal. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:00.480 I try. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:06.080 I tried to get online, just rapidly, rabidly trying to 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:07.560 make it work like a crack addicts. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.160 Yeah, did you just did you remind you that you've 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.720 just got a dependency on those kind of things like 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:14.360 most of you huge. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.000 I had that in India as well. Actually there wasn't 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.600 really much WiFi where I was. And yeah, just quite 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.160 quickly you realized that I read, you know, I started 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.080 to read books instead, and I was again and I 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.040 used to be a voracious reader. And one of my 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:31.920 main disappointments in myself is that I feel that I 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:36.000 don't have the discipline or the attention spam that I 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:40.160 used to whilst in proximity to the Internet. So I 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:45.440 find the Internet overridingly seductive, and I don't feel I 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.400 have the will power to withstand it, and that. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:48.120 Really bothers me. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.600 Actually, one of the things I enjoy about being forced 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.520 to be with that WiFi is I remember how much 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.480 I enjoyed living without it, you know, And and the 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:05.160 time passes differently, reading books and just enjoying that feeling 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.480 of just being a person that's out of reach is enjoyable. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.840 Did you see the Nils Farm stuff this week? 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:12.720 Yeah? I did, Actually I saw that yesterday. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.600 What did you think of it? So this bit if 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:16.960 people are listening to this and they don't know what 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:21.960 that is. Nils Farm, obviously big celebrated musician known for 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.240 his kind of largely sort of ambient music work, said 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.560 this week, I'm going to start I'm going to come 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.720 off social media, starting with Facebook. So I don't like 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:31.400 the idea. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.040 That which is the nafest one, isn't it Facebook? Yeah, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.040 they get rid of the Facebook first. It's the nafest. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.320 It's the easiest one to cull. Probably, which is the 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.560 least Nath probably Instagram. I feel like Instagram is the 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.240 one that's a bit more edgy, bit more hip. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.800 Yeah, you're probably right. And so he said he's going 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:48.840 to come off of these one by one because he 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.400 doesn't like the fact that that ultimately they've become the 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.720 way that he speaks to his audience, and he disagrees 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.840 with their politics and the morality around those services, and 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.880 so he's coming off and he wants to communicate with 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.640 the fans in a different way, in a more direct way. 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.800 Yeah, what's going to be interesting is how he tries 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.840 to or how how are you how he replaces it. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.760 I think about getting rid of social media a lot, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.040 and I what I've done is get rid of it 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.360 from my actual devices quite often. 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.400 As ink you go through and you'll just delete I'll 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.000 just delete that. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:21.360 Yeah, I'll just delete that. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.360 And I'm close to deleting Facebook permanently. And then I 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.360 have I think this is what you feel ransomed like. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.840 I have people that I communicate with through Facebook, and 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.640 without it, I probably wouldn't communicate with them at all. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.000 And that's the that's the little catch that keeps me 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.360 ransomed in And I guess Neil From is reacting to that, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:46.480 and I applaud him for it. I wonder, I wonder 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.200 how it's going to work out for him. But I 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:53.200 think that social media, they they sold us like a 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.120 utopian technology and actually it's just a kind of conniving 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.520 business as any of that. They're just harvesters of how emotions. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.320 And having said that, I'm a total sucker for it. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.959 But I think that's the issue, though, isn't it. Everybody 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.720 feels pinched between these two things. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.040 Yeah, but that isn't that in itself. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.879 They've made us feel like that, you know, And I 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:17.000 think that, So I think good on From for kicking 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.159 back on it and trying to deliberate himself. We'll we'll 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.680 see what he replaces it with or how he will. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.760 You know, they just have such a monopoly on it 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:27.440 that it does just feel wrong. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.600 But at the same times you feel kind of but 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:31.400 both just on a. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.800 Pragmatic level, that you'd be losing touch with people and 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.480 that would be bad for your your project or whatever 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.159 it might be the use it for. But also but 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.159 it is addictive, so you feel the lack of it, 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.720 you know, you feel the loss of the little serotonin 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:50.160 kicks you get from it, from Marty from Warsaw you know, 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:55.640 liking a post yeah yeah, or Barry from Bogner retweeting 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:57.400 with a comment. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.680 Yeah, going to be an interesting experiment. I kind of 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.640 think I watch it with interest in like a year's time, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.840 to see whether it has any effect or whether he 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.879 feels better. I mean, ultimately that's that's probably what he's 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.400 going to measure it by. It's just if he doesn't 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.359 feel like he's beholden to it and he's still also Zuckerberg. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.879 It's like, particularly with Facebook, I mean all of you, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.440 all of them, but like Facebook is so. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:27.040 It's so clearly like morally they just don't care neither. 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.520 They don't care, they don't pay tax as Zuckerberg didn't 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.359 turn up to the MPs wanted him in for that 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:36.359 selecting mete. He just doesn't give a shit. And I 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.639 just think that it's a hard company to like Facebook. 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.840 They just seemed they just seem like they just seem 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.960 like the devil's work, don't they a little bit in 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.199 a way They do though, don't they? And also all 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.800 the Cambridge analytics stuff, the fact that they don't they 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.640 don't seem to have a responsible attitude to how how 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.520 information and with political ramification as are spread. 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:01.640 They just don't. They don't care. 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.280 There's no social responsibility there, they don't. They don't care. 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.080 Do you think they care if loads of people decided 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:08.600 they were going to. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.600 Yeah, if it hurt their bottom line, it would, But 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.439 I mean it would require probably what like hundreds of 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.440 millions if not, I mean, I don't know how many 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:16.960 billion people. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.120 Are there billions of people. 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.400 More than there's certainly more than a billion people. 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.680 Yeah, so it would require hundreds of millions of people 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.720 to quitit or to be up in arms in some way. 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:27.720 Yeah, they'd take notice of that many people did it. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:33.080 Yeah, we should talk about some music. Sure, So, got 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.080 a new record coming out next week. It's the first 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:40.040 of two albums you're released in twenty nineteen. It's ten tracks. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.600 Ultimately you've recorded twenty tracks. There's ten tracks on each album. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.920 It's another one coming in the autumn. When you were 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.120 working on all of this music, what made you eventually 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.119 land on the idea of putting out two albums of 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:57.120 ten tracks as opposed to doing a double album, doing 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.679 a massive, long playlist style album. Why why settle on 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.080 what you've decided to. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.360 Do it just felt right really like, I don't I'm 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:09.359 not a massive fan of double albums. There's only probably 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:10.840 only one or two that I can think of that 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.520 I like. Even when I like them, I always feel 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.040 that the good tracks are overshadowed just by the sheer 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.240 volume of stuff. It's like a Dickens novel. It's always 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.040 a bit too long. It's like a bit of a 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.000 ton You. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:24.360