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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Wednesday, February eighteenth, Stephen Colbert.

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Speaker 1: He is leaving the Late Show in a few months,

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Speaker 1: but he is not gonna go quietly, apparently, and a

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Speaker 1: public war of words and statements has erupted. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. CBS versus

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Speaker 1: Colbert is playing out quite publicly. This is no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily funny. He's made some funny remarks.

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Speaker 2: But you hate to see this, but I appreciate his freedom.

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Speaker 2: He is free.

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Speaker 3: He is free to say what he wants because he

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Speaker 3: has already been told Baye. And so now he actually

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Speaker 3: sits in a very comfortable spot. It's that place when

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Speaker 3: you know you literally have nothing to lose. And if

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Speaker 3: he wants to burn the house down as he goes,

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Speaker 3: he kind of can.

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Speaker 1: You know what? You know what? We want to make

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Speaker 1: sure and you won't let you hear it all if

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Speaker 1: you haven't heard. But he's not burning down the house.

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Speaker 1: I thought now he could have. I thought he brought

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Speaker 1: the temperature down a little bit on night too. And

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about, folks. Stephen Colbert, lay show host,

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Speaker 1: of course, has publicly accused CBS of squashing an interview

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Speaker 1: he had scheduled for Monday's show. But now CBS has

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Speaker 1: come out and refuted that, saying the network did not

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Speaker 1: kill the interview. So Colbert came back in response to

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Speaker 1: that last night and called BS on c B s

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Speaker 1: is where we are, so Robes. So your point about

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Speaker 1: the freedom. Yes, late last year they announced he was

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Speaker 1: going to be the show was going to go away

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Speaker 1: in May. He's a few months away. But the backstory here, Robes.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to he was trying to do an interview

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Speaker 1: with a candidate quite frankly nobody's heard of on a

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Speaker 1: national level.

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Speaker 3: Correct, And he was told that he could not air

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Speaker 3: that interview on CBS because of well, something that is

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Speaker 3: kind of nebulous at this point in terms of where

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Speaker 3: it should be applied. But this equal time rule that

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Speaker 3: we've heard FCC chairman kind of talk about when it

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Speaker 3: comes to shows that weren't under this rule that broadcast

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Speaker 3: networks are. When you are a news program, you cannot

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Speaker 3: give in an election year, one candidate from a party

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Speaker 3: airtime and not give that equal opportunity to a candidate

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Speaker 3: from the other party. That makes sense. You don't want

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Speaker 3: to have a unevenly weighted news program where people aren't

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Speaker 3: given the option to see both sides or to hear

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Speaker 3: both sides.

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Speaker 1: Standard stuff, long standing understood.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so that has not typically applied to entertainment shows,

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Speaker 3: late night shows, talk shows. These are shows that aren't

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Speaker 3: deemed as basically I'm just saying, like objective news programs,

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Speaker 3: these are not the same. Cable news also doesn't apply

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Speaker 3: because they're not con considered places.

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Speaker 2: Where people would go to for objective news coverage.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and this has been a long standing rule on

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Speaker 1: new broadcast that works. This is where this counts in broadcast.

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Speaker 1: You cannot simply it's a good rule, and I understand

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Speaker 1: it why it needs to be equal time. Fine, but

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Speaker 1: this is a long standing tradition, long standing. So yes,

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Speaker 1: Carr is threatening this. So Colbert is claiming that CBS

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Speaker 3: I got his name right to Allarica, Like, yes, we

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Speaker 3: actually had to look it up because he's Look, he's

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Speaker 1: But it's relevant now because of a Senate race down

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Speaker 1: there that is relevant. Jasmine Crockett has gotten into it.

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Speaker 1: He's a Democrat, James to Allerico, but they are going

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Speaker 1: That is why James Tallerico is relevant. So he was

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Speaker 1: scheduled Robes to do an interview that was going to

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Speaker 3: Yes, they put it actually on the YouTube channel correct

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Speaker 3: that is associated with the Colbert Show. But Colbert instead

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Speaker 3: of just going quietly, which I would say typically if

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Speaker 3: him air out. Look, a lot of things happen behind

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Speaker 2: That does happen, and you don't really get.

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Speaker 3: To talk about it publicly because you're having a relationship

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Speaker 3: what's appropriate and what's not. So it is interesting to

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Speaker 1: And this is what he said on Monday that started

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Speaker 1: who was not on Who is not one of my

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Speaker 1: I was told in some uncertain terms that not only

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Speaker 1: That's how he opened the segment. So your kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and wouldn't you say, though I know we said,

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Speaker 3: or you said, he's not burning the house down. But

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Speaker 3: if Stephen Colbert weren't in the position he's in now,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't you say, that would almost be, if not assuredly

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Speaker 3: be a fireable offense.

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Speaker 1: Spend the bullefens at least.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So he did something that we would never see

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Speaker 3: someone do who is employed by a major company, who

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Speaker 3: wants to stay employed by said major company. But he

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Speaker 3: then explained the equal time role like we just did,

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Speaker 3: and then said, call this what this is? Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: So he is talking about his own network, caving to

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Speaker 1: just trying to protect his boss. The next statement here,

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Speaker 1: Robes is one, Yes, I mean it's powerful. It really

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Speaker 3: That's right, because he pointed out the FCC chairman, Brendan

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Speaker 3: Carr only threatened to get rid of equal time. He didn't,

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Speaker 3: he didn't make a change, He didn't say this is enforceable.

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Speaker 3: He has suggested basically in a series of posts on

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Speaker 2: He kind of dangles it. But it hasn't actually happened.

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Speaker 3: And so Colbert pointed that out and said car only

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Speaker 3: is unilaterally enforcing it, as if he had wow, and

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Speaker 3: then went on to say, this decision is purely financial.

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Speaker 1: The threat worked. This is going to be important over

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Speaker 1: They didn't they We don't have to come after you.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to revoke your license, we don't have

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Speaker 3: With it because a lawsuit and threatening a lawsuit, and

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Speaker 3: we've seen what happens when the Trump administration threatens a lawsuit,

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Speaker 3: They almost certainly follow through with it if you continue

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Speaker 3: right by just threatening a lawsuit any company, any media company,

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Speaker 2: They want to avoid lawsuits.

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Speaker 3: Completely, and so in order to avoid the lawsuit, just

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Speaker 1: This is concerning, And he pointed out and when he

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Speaker 1: That was a very serious statement. He wanted to get out.

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Speaker 1: But that was Monday, So come Tuesday, Robes, CBS responds

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Speaker 1: that's not what happened.

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Speaker 3: Yes, CBS News put out this statement in response to

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Speaker 3: their employee, Stephen Colbert. The Late Show was not prohibited

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Speaker 3: The show was provided legal guidance that the broadcast could

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Speaker 3: including Representative Jasmine Crockett, and presented options for how the

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Speaker 1: Huh, what do you make of again, We're going to

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Speaker 3: I think that they were saying, we would like you

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Speaker 1: Man, And they said, no, okay, so what do you

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Speaker 3: Because yeah, he said he's never in his twenty something years,

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Speaker 1: Did, he said, has never happened to him. Maybe this

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Speaker 1: because last night Stephen Colbert, as you just said, hopped

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Speaker 1: He responded to the CBS statement essentially saying that, no,

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Speaker 1: we didn't make him take this interview down. We didn't

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Speaker 1: told him. It sounds like Robes. They told him, sure,

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Speaker 2: That's what it sounded like.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So CBS statement Robes they put out saying no,

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Speaker 1: Damn. Okay, you can get right to it if you

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Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is this show is not live

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Speaker 3: Ya?

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Speaker 1: And then he spanked them back. This is a public

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Speaker 1: It's gone.

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Speaker 3: For the lawyers to release this without even talking to

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Speaker 3: Look, he's got three months, give or take left, and

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Speaker 3: I can't see a scenario in which CBS would do

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Speaker 2: FYI.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate for one, and it is entertaining, but it's

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Speaker 3: also important. I think both can be true. Well, thank you,

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Speaker 3: as always everyone for listening to us. We will continue

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Speaker 2: To check our feed.

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Speaker 3: We are always on top of things on Ami Robac

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Speaker 3: alongside TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.