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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Wednesday. Welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Podcast. The best thing that's happened in the last

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours since the University of Miami hasn't lost

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Speaker 1: a football game. Yes, I know it's the weekday, but

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Speaker 1: you know these are baby steps in my coping mechanism

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Speaker 1: when it comes when it comes to that got to

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Speaker 1: load it up show today got a big takeout on

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Speaker 1: the issue of AI as a political issue. It's the

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Speaker 1: theme of my substack. For those of you who read

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Speaker 1: my substack, you know the direction I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: in my interview is with somebody who's hoping to shake

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Speaker 1: up or maybe go back in time to how Democrats

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Speaker 1: have successfully launched presidential candidates in the past and see

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Speaker 1: if this person can talk the DNC back into starting

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Speaker 1: with Iowa. If the Democratic Party wants to ever win

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Speaker 1: rural voters again, how are they going to do that?

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Speaker 1: Is art in a place like Iowa actually the best

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Speaker 1: place to go since it served as a pretty good

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Speaker 1: launching pad for Barack Obama's presidency. So we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: the state Democratic Party chair about that. An apart branding

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Speaker 1: issues in general, especially as you see more and more

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Speaker 1: Democratic groups open to the idea of hey, don't run

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Speaker 1: as a Democrat. If the brand is really bad in

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Speaker 1: your state, run is another entity. This goes into the

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Speaker 1: longer conversation which we've been having here for quite some time,

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Speaker 1: and how does the Democrats rebrand themselves? Where should their

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Speaker 1: emphasis be? You know, how much do you placate the base,

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Speaker 1: how much do you try to expand the tent. I

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Speaker 1: will tell you this. What a political party does with

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Speaker 1: its presidential calendar will tell you whether they're looking to

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Speaker 1: go broad or to go narrow. And ultimately, I think

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Speaker 1: what you know, how many frankly red states are included

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Speaker 1: in the beginning portion of this how many rural areas

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Speaker 1: are included in the beginning portion of their presidential calendar.

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Speaker 1: That will tell you certainly where the leadership of the

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Speaker 1: party wants to see the presidential campaign go. And if

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Speaker 1: places like Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska are not part of

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Speaker 1: the first in the nation process, I will just tell

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Speaker 1: you I think it's a gigantic mistake by the Democrats

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Speaker 1: and it will only narrow their options going down the road.

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Speaker 1: They have got to figure out how to appeal to there,

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Speaker 1: because guess what voters in those states. I didn't just

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Speaker 1: randomly single those three states out. These are farm states,

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Speaker 1: These are some of them big when it comes to

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Speaker 1: chicken and beef process. And why do I bring all

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Speaker 1: that up, Because I do think, you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of Look, the Trump presidency introduces all sorts of

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Speaker 1: ways to deal with him and to combat him. You

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Speaker 1: can try to treat him as a conventional candidate. You

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Speaker 1: can try to treat him as an outlier president, you

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Speaker 1: can try to treat him as an existential threat. There

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Speaker 1: have been various ways that different entities have tried to

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Speaker 1: deal with the shakeup that Donald Trump has brought to

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Speaker 1: American politics. Well, what's funny about all of the shaking

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Speaker 1: up that he does, all of the chaos that he brings.

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Speaker 1: He's actually falling into a trap that many a president

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Speaker 1: has fallen into, which almost is universally led to bad

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Speaker 1: is being too consumed with international and to think that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the guy who ran on an American first platform,

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Speaker 1: the guy who does not believe in multilateral treaties, the

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Speaker 1: guy who does not believe in collective security, is somehow

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Speaker 1: finding himself so consumed with his own legacy building, and

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Speaker 1: most presidents get consumed with that, and the only place

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Speaker 1: to establish the legacy is in foreign affairs. That he's

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Speaker 1: taking his eye off the ball domestic promises he's made right.

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Speaker 1: The Argentinian example is a perfect case. So here he

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Speaker 1: is trying desperately to help an ideological ally in Javier Malayal,

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Speaker 1: and he desperately needs his economy essentially bailed out. So

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Speaker 1: the United States has agreed to do it. And then

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Speaker 1: on top of that, Donald Trump, out of nowhere says, hey,

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Speaker 1: we'll buy Argentinian beef at a time when everything in

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Speaker 1: our food industry has essentially been hampered by Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: policies between his immigration deportations which has made hiring people

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Speaker 1: and chicken processing plants, places like Arkansas, beef processing plants

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Speaker 1: May imagine being a cattle rancho wall so grows soybeans man,

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Speaker 1: and you voted for Donald Trump thinking that he was

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Speaker 1: going to bring you some good American first conservative policy,

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Speaker 1: and all Donald Trump is doing is literally making your

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Speaker 1: You're going to have the government buying beef from another country,

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Speaker 1: has found other ways to buy soybeans from many other countries,

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Speaker 1: including Argentina. But it's not just Argentina that has been

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Speaker 1: a universal distraction to Donald Trump. Right, he's got to

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Speaker 1: with that. He's obviously that he sees the peace steel

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Speaker 1: in Israel between the between the Hamas and Israel, which

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Speaker 1: I love the term that somebody leaked out from the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration that they're sending people over there to go

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Speaker 1: bib sitting, because it's pretty clear the right wing pressure

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Speaker 1: BB is facing is all about pulling back from the

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Speaker 1: and this was something I wasn't one hundred percent sure about.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to announce the agreement between

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Speaker 1: official is calling bb sitting. But again, he is consumed

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Speaker 1: with an international legacy on foreign policy, this war with Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: gets any congressional scrutiny, you know, there's definitely being We're

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Speaker 1: being misled, right, There's no fentanyl at all having to

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Speaker 1: do with anything with Venezuela. This is clearly an attempt

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Speaker 1: this backhanded way, thinking that they because of his America

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Speaker 1: First proclamations, he doesn't want to just willy nilly get

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Speaker 1: somehow ground it in one of his campaign promises, what

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Speaker 1: The problem is whatever fentyl issue that we have comes

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Speaker 1: from Mexico via China. That's the situation. And of course

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Speaker 1: using our constitution. So they've repatriated survivors of these bombings. Well,

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Speaker 1: what is Ecuador done well? On Tuesday evening, the Associated

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Speaker 1: Perhaps they've presented evidence to themselves, to various legal counsels.

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Speaker 1: There has been none of this. And again, we do

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Speaker 1: a dangerous precedent. And that's the concern that many people

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Speaker 1: But I'm going on a roundabout way to say Donald

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Speaker 1: This is a man that has not focused on the economy.

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Speaker 1: This is a man that is not aware that inflation

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Speaker 1: Soviet side of things, right, the entire Iron Curtain was falling.

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Speaker 1: This was essentially a victory lap for democracy, a victory

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Speaker 1: So we're going to bail out Argentina's economy, buy their beef,

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Speaker 1: the irony is Donald Trump ran in America first meeting.

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Speaker 1: It's all about repairing the country, right, all about making

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Speaker 1: Needless to say, he's consumed with having summits with Kim

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Speaker 1: But what's he doing for your grocery budget? You see

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Speaker 1: starting to see some Republicans get very nervous that this

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Speaker 1: elected for one reason, to bring down costs. They think

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Speaker 1: thirty two hour work week and put in some guarantees.

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Speaker 1: Mark Kelly another potential twenty twenty eight or he's been

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Speaker 1: talking about sort of almost like an AI tax. He's

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Speaker 1: trying to come up with a system that was similar

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Speaker 1: to what we saw during the age of automation and

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Speaker 1: free trade agreements in the late eighties and early nineties,

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Speaker 1: these sort of you know, if you were if your

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Speaker 1: job was displaced by trade, there might be extra money

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Speaker 1: for you longer on unemployment benefits and maybe access to

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Speaker 1: free money to get retrained. Well, what's the reality of that.

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Speaker 1: That didn't really work, did it? How do we know

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Speaker 1: it didn't really work? Because we just look what happened

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Speaker 1: in the twenty tents, right, we had the entire Essentially,

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Speaker 1: you could argue the rise of Trump, Sanders, Bregsit throw

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Speaker 1: all that in together. That is essentially a rejection that

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Speaker 1: whatever soft landing politicians said was possible when it came

447
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Speaker 1: to the globalization, the voters who supported Trump and Bernie

448
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Speaker 1: and Bresit didn't feel like they landed very softly. So

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Speaker 1: this is coming. Our politics are going to be fought

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Speaker 1: over a version of this culture war over AI. But

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Speaker 1: I do think the AI companies need to pay attention

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Speaker 1: to something as well, which is they better start to

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Speaker 1: value the human experience, because you know who is going

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Speaker 1: to value human beings? Human beings? Where am I going

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Speaker 1: with this? I get right now? You look at all this,

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Speaker 1: and you know the dystopian nature of Trump's presidency and

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Speaker 1: where that's headed the weird sort of authoritarian the comfort

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Speaker 1: level of some of these elected Republicans have with this

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Speaker 1: nonsense that Trump does, particularly with what he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's ruining the rule of law, all these pardons of

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Speaker 1: only his supporters, right, we have totally undermined the rule

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Speaker 1: of law. Now he's trying to What's funny is apparently

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, this is a quick society. He's trying to

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Speaker 1: shake down the Justice Department to for like over two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty minis million dollars what he claims are

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Speaker 1: damages over the various indictments that he faced from the

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Speaker 1: federal government, the various investigations. So he is he started

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Speaker 1: this process before he was president, but now he's weirdly

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Speaker 1: suing himself and his former personal lawyer, Todd Blanche is

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Speaker 1: going to be the guy that signs off on this.

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Speaker 1: So oh, by the way, when you're thinking about all

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Speaker 1: the money that this administration is spending not helping you

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Speaker 1: find lower cost health care or lower the grocery bills,

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Speaker 1: he's also going to take two hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars of our tax dollars and just pocket it money

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Speaker 1: he didn't have to spend anyway. He ripped off donors

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Speaker 1: from the RNC to pay all his legal bills. As

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Speaker 1: it is, he never spent a dollar of these things,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know who's getting their money back if

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Speaker 1: he's claiming some sort of damage to the US government.

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Speaker 1: But I digress. I go back to where we're headed

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Speaker 1: with AI. I'm I do think that there's going to

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Speaker 1: be an undintended consequence that might actually move us in

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Speaker 1: an interesting direction at a time when I think we've

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Speaker 1: all felt suffocated by by by the tech world, and

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Speaker 1: that is the more things are not believed online. Right,

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Speaker 1: the launch of Sora has been is sort of the

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Speaker 1: exclamation point on the total destruction the tech companies have

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Speaker 1: done to the information ecosystem. You know. One of the

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Speaker 1: reasons why I'm very skeptical of the of allowing a

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Speaker 1: allowing tech firms and AI to run amuck here is

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Speaker 1: we had the same attitude with social media and and

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Speaker 1: look what they did, right, These tech companies absolutely destroyed

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Speaker 1: trust in all of our institutions. Social media has been

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Speaker 1: a total disaster for UH. It has not made things better,

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Speaker 1: It's made things pretty much on everything. And now we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to trust them to make sure AI, make sure

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Speaker 1: we quote win the race for AI and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: end up in as dystopian of a situation as we

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Speaker 1: deal with now with social media. So forgive my lack

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Speaker 1: of confidence in these in these companies, but they've already

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Speaker 1: failed on social media. I'm not sure we should be

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Speaker 1: allowing them to run without supervision when it comes to AI.

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Speaker 1: And yet as much as I have zero confidence in

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Speaker 1: tech companies looking out for humanity, zero confidence in this

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Speaker 1: government looking out for humanity, you know I trust looking

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Speaker 1: out for humanity. Humans. And one of the many AHA

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Speaker 1: moments I've had recently is when I speak to large

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Speaker 1: groups and I talk about and I get asked about

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Speaker 1: AI in general, and where's this headed? Usually it has

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Speaker 1: to do with AI in journalism. Sometimes it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I note that I do think we're going to see

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Speaker 1: a premium put on the human the human touch. And

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Speaker 1: what do I mean by this? I'll survey an audience

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Speaker 1: that I'm speaking to, and I'll say how many of

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Speaker 1: you would pay extra money in order to get a

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Speaker 1: customer service agent that was human rather than dealing with

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Speaker 1: a bot, automation or something similar. Two thirds of hands

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Speaker 1: almost always go up. In fact, I was at a

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Speaker 1: tech conference and I asked this question in two thirds

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Speaker 1: of hands went up. We value human interactions. We don't

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Speaker 1: trust entities. Entities may be more accurate, right, a computer maybe,

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Speaker 1: or more accurate, but the lack of humanity adds a

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Speaker 1: layer of distrust. Right. I've used to say that about

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Speaker 1: you know, these entities, when you talk about working at

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Speaker 1: a major network, and you know, does the entity care

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Speaker 1: about the employee? No, there is no The entity is

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Speaker 1: not human. Right. I used to say, NBC does not

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Speaker 1: care about its employees, but the employees care about the

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Speaker 1: reputation of NBC. But NBC is an entity. The people

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Speaker 1: who are supervising it, they're just you know, they're being counters.

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Speaker 1: They're there, they have a feater share responsibility their shareholders,

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Speaker 1: but they don't really care about their employees because they're

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Speaker 1: not being judged by how their employees feel about them.

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Speaker 1: They're simply being judged by the bottom line. And so entities.

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Speaker 1: This is why I think we won't care about an

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Speaker 1: entity as much as we care about a human. And

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Speaker 1: so the more we don't trust things online, the more

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Speaker 1: we're going to value the human experience. So I've already

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Speaker 1: you know, anecdotally, but we can you know, we will

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Speaker 1: pay more money to deal with a human being on

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Speaker 1: customer service. So that tells you something. If you don't

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Speaker 1: believe anything you see online and right now, thanks to

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Speaker 1: the launch of SOL, there's not a single piece of

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Speaker 1: video you can fully feel confident in is right. So

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna believe? Well, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: see things in person, the live experience. If you're a journalist,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be fully transparent. You probably should

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Speaker 1: do more live streams, right I You know, the future

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Speaker 1: version of the check podcast may always be that I

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Speaker 1: record what I'm doing now fully live, so everybody can

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Speaker 1: see the good, the bad, the ugly, and we maybe

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Speaker 1: say here's the raw material and then here's how we

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Speaker 1: edited it. If you're gonna want to have trust, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to be fully transparent, fully in available to

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Speaker 1: people in person and on products. You know, it may

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Speaker 1: be that stores come back. Stores might be not where

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Speaker 1: you actually buy things. Stores and the rest of the

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Speaker 1: twenty first century might be where you touch and feel

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Speaker 1: something to see if it is actually what they say

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Speaker 1: it is online. So the more artificial everything online becomes,

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Speaker 1: the more we will put a premium on the real

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Speaker 1: the in real life, the in person experience, the value

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Speaker 1: of life, the value of human to human contact. It

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Speaker 1: may be that you have some weirdos in Silicon Valley,

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Speaker 1: and there is an entire set of weirdos out there

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Speaker 1: that are very smart, but they're super weird who do

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Speaker 1: want to replace humans, right, or view sort of humans

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Speaker 1: as potential task rabbits for them. I think Bezos said,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically. I think at one point, supposedly he

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Speaker 1: was quoted as saying, there's going to be essentially the

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Speaker 1: super rich, and then a whole bunch of people that

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Speaker 1: service the super rich, and that will be the new

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Speaker 1: middle class because everything else is automated with some weird,

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Speaker 1: sort of very let them eat cake type of observation.

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Speaker 1: But it was made by somebody who doesn't live in

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Speaker 1: the real world. It doesn't live where ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: us live. I know this sounds pollyannish on this front,

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Speaker 1: but don't bet against humanity on this. We are not

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Speaker 1: going to marginalize ourselves as a species. So even if

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Speaker 1: these tech companies do create tools in an attempt to

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Speaker 1: marginalize the human experience and if anything even sort of

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Speaker 1: say no, no, no, no, this is smarter than a human being,

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Speaker 1: this is more thorough than a human being. We aren't

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Speaker 1: going to allow ourselves to be displaced, and that is

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Speaker 1: something tech companies. The more they keep us out of

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Speaker 1: this process and keep humans away from this, and the

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Speaker 1: more they keep elected officials away from regulating and trying

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Speaker 1: to put up early guardrails, the more they're actually going

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00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: to put their own companies in jeopardy, because if they

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Speaker 1: keep plowing forward sort of using all of us as

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Speaker 1: guinea pigs and using society as guinea pigs like they

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Speaker 1: did with social media, the populist revolt that took place

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Speaker 1: on the right with Trump will look like small potatoes

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Speaker 1: compared to sort of a populist revolt from multiple parts

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Speaker 1: of the political spectrum. And you may see a demand,

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Speaker 1: essentially the pitchforks come out for these tech overlords that

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Speaker 1: essentially tried to create a world that left out the

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Speaker 1: human touch. So I know that all of that sounds

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Speaker 1: a little science fiction y, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I do think this is you're going to see it

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Speaker 1: percolate more in political campaign So the fear of AI,

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Speaker 1: either fear of losing it to the Chinese, or the

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Speaker 1: fear of it replacing us in jobs or in culture,

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of things. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: big drive of American politics over the next two to

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Speaker 1: four years, so I do think people need to prepare for. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I call myself short term pessimistic on all this plays out,

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Speaker 1: but long term optimistic because we will react in the

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Speaker 1: same way. Now we don't trust anything. What it will

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Speaker 1: do is it'll motivate us to have more in real

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Speaker 1: life experiences. So for those that are sort of pessimistic

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Speaker 1: about all this, don't undersell the human experience and do

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Speaker 1: realize humans value humans a hell of a lot more

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Speaker 1: than they do some computer that he has been powered

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Speaker 1: by a data farm. All right, with that, I got

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Speaker 1: my top five lists coming up, and this is a

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Speaker 1: fun one. It has to do with my favorite political

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Speaker 1: TV shows of the last ten years, because one of

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Speaker 1: them is coming back with a new season, so I

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Speaker 1: thought it'd be a good time to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be taking some questions, but before we'll

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Speaker 1: sneak in a break and you will hear from Rita Hart,

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Speaker 1: who's the chair of the Iowa Democratic Party on her

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Speaker 1: sort of I think in her campaign to get the

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Speaker 1: DNC to realize if they don't focus on getting back

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Speaker 1: to rural America, somewhere it doesn't have to be Iowa,

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Speaker 1: but I better be somewhere. The Democratic Party is not

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Speaker 1: going to be a majority party without it. So with that,

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Speaker 1: let's sneak in the break when we come back by

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Speaker 1: conversation with Rita Heart. Well, joining me now is the

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Speaker 1: chair of the Iowa Democratic Party. It's Rita Heart. Some

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Speaker 1: of you may remember that name because she is I

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Speaker 1: think at this point to participant in what may have

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Speaker 1: been the closest house race in American history, and if

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Speaker 1: not the closest, it's certainly going to be the top

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Speaker 1: five a house race that was decided by six votes

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Speaker 1: a few years back. She said, this is arguably politics.

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Speaker 1: As her second chapter, she spent the first chapter of

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Speaker 1: her professional life teaching in the public school system. Longtime

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Speaker 1: Iowan native Iowan, and I appreciate her coming on Prideheart.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Podcast, Happy to be here, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Did I hit the highlights? All right?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not a great claim to fame that

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Speaker 2: I was looking for, you know, but it is certainly

647
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: was certainly an experience. I should also mention that my

648
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: husband and I are farmers here in Iowa. I've been well,

649
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: that's tell me what you grow. So we're typical Iowa farmers.

650
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: We growed corn and soybeans. We used to raise cattle

651
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: at hogs, but now are strictly green a little bit

652
00:41:59,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: of hayground.

653
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: So any reason why you don't do hogs and cattle anymore,

654
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: is it just the room, the space, or is it

655
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: financial or what is it?

656
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: Well, I would tell you that you know, there was

657
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: a time when a secretary of eggs said go big

658
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 2: or go home, particularly for us when it was when

659
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 2: it was when we were raising hogs, and that wasn't

660
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: a possibility for us at that time. So that's when

661
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: we got out of hogs. And then you know, cattle.

662
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: We had cattle until I went to the state legislature

663
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: and my father in law was going to be home

664
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: raising those cattle, and it was there was some unsafe

665
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: situations there that caused us to make a decision to

666
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: make that our last year with cattle. So you know,

667
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's an ebb and flow, right.

668
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: And how much of your corn is for consumption and

669
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 1: how much of your corn is for things like feed

670
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: and stuffing. When I take consumption human consumption things like

671
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: that versus using the corn and for other you know, uh,

672
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: you know how much of your corn gets is for

673
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: other than human consumption direct human consumption?

674
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know the way that works is, you know,

675
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: this is field corn. It's not sweet corn. We don't

676
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: eat the corn. We don't and the and we you know,

677
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: we raise the product and send it on, so we

678
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of control over what happens to

679
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: it from there. But I would tell you that, you know,

680
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: we sell our our corn to eight a m and

681
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: and they converted into many different products. So it so

682
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: you know it it's converted into ethanol, has been given

683
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: lots of uh consternation, but also to dsgs, which which

684
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: feed animals, and so so it's a it's a product

685
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: that has I think eight M they I don't know

686
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: the exact number, but you know there's like thirty seven

687
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: different products that come out of any kernel of corn.

688
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: That's a great stat And I know that more time

689
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: I spent in Iowa, the more I learned some of

690
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: those nuggets. I mean, my grandfather got his start in

691
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: mechanical engineering, designing popcorn plants in Iowa, oh wow, back

692
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: back in the in the fifties. What got him to

693
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: Miami was he got a contract to build sugarcane plants

694
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: in Havana. Oh wow, So he moved his business from

695
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: Waterloo to Miami. That was quite the transition from my

696
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: father and his sister. But let me ask you about soybeans.

697
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: I figure that's actually a nice transition, isn't it to

698
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: our more political discussion, which is what do you do

699
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: with your soybeans if you can't find a buyer.

700
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: Well, then you store them in a bin and or

701
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, as storage becomes less and less possible because

702
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: more and more people are not selling their grain directly,

703
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: then you know, we see things like we've seen in

704
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: the past where people are filling up various different places

705
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 2: with the grain. But it is a real problem right

706
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: now that we've seen, as we could have predicted, right

707
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: and you know, this is very predictable that when you

708
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: put the kinds of tariffs on China that and when

709
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: China is our largest consumer of soybeans, that that's going

710
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: to be a huge problem. You know, I was in

711
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: the state legislature. The last time this happened in twenty

712
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: sixteen when President Trump first started talking about putting on tariffs,

713
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: and I stood on the Senate floor and said then

714
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: that this has never worked out well for farmers, and

715
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: to be very careful about this because not only is

716
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: that affecting individual farmers in the price that they receive

717
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: and their ability to you know, you can only you

718
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: hang on to grain as long as you can till

719
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 2: the price goes up and you make a decision to sell,

720
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: but the product deteriorates through that process.

721
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, how long, you know,

722
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: how long does a crop hold?

723
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: It depends upon your setup. It depends upon you know,

724
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: whether you have the ability to whether you have a

725
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: stir raid or in your bin, whether you're able to

726
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: put air in there, et cetera. Because you've got to

727
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: keep that product as Christine as possible. And and Iowa

728
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: farmers are really good at that. But also people have,

729
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: you know, financial needs. They can only hold on as

730
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: long as they can hold on. So but we know

731
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: that historically it's never ended up well for farmers. And

732
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: in a state like Iowa, where our very economy is

733
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: so egg dependent that has you know, big ramifications as

734
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: people people's incomes are lowered, as as the process itself

735
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: becomes a problem for so many different people who are

736
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 2: trying to trying to keep this economy going.

737
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: So there's talk of trying to basically what would the

738
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: government inner mentioned, what what what? What is that? What

739
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: did it look like the last time, and what would

740
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: you expect if there was some temporary way to sort

741
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: of make up for the loss in ability to sell

742
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: your soybeans to China? What does that look like? Is

743
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: it a government check, do they buy the product? What

744
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: is it? What is the subsidy specifically? How does it work?

745
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, first of all, you know, we

746
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: recognize too farmers recognize that that that we're losing these markets.

747
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: So we're we're worried about the fact of what does

748
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: this do for the future. Right when China finds alternative markets,

749
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: as is clear that they have gone to Bolivia, they've

750
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: gone to Argentina teeny excuse me, Argentina. And this happened

751
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: again in the past, and so those brazil for example,

752
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: they totally you know, really focused in on improving the

753
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: amount that they can produce. And so now I believe

754
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: they're number one producer in the country.

755
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: In so they've just a new competitor. Regardless of if

756
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: these barriers go down all of a sudden, let's say

757
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: the tariffs go away. The unfortunate, unintended consequence of this

758
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: trade war is that it is it is allowed Brazil

759
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: to catch up as a competitor, right.

760
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Correct, Right, And and you know there's there's so many

761
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: workarounds right that cause problems for us. But in the

762
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: what we saw the last time was that this was

763
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: truly going to affect the popularity of this president that

764
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: people are going to and nobody wants to repeat the

765
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: horror of the agg crisis of the eighties, right, And

766
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: so because again it doesn't just affect the people in agriculture,

767
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: it affects the entire Iowa economy. And so yeah, so

768
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: that's why you know, we we received payments government payments

769
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: from and and again last time, you know, they have

770
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: to figure out where those payments come from. And and

771
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: so you've already heard this administration talking about utilizing the

772
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: tariff money to pay it back to the farmers, which

773
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: you know again is and the system tends to weigh

774
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: out in favor of the bigger farmers, right, and so

775
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: there's going to be casualties through a process like this.

776
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: You know, it struck me as I was hearing you

777
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: talk about the impact of tariffs and farmers and the

778
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: fact that there are essentially two sectors arguably politically pitted

779
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: against each other within the state of Iowa, right, the manufacturers,

780
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: the manufacturing base. You know, there's so many counties, particularly

781
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: in eastern Iowa, whose towns were synonymous with the company

782
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: that manufactured a good out of that place, right, whether

783
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: it's Pellow Windows or Pella, Iowa, whether it's you know

784
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: where may Tag once was. And in the manufacturing space,

785
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: there is a lot of support for tariffs across both

786
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: both parties in some ca is right, but it's almost

787
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: universal that it doesn't work in the agricultural space. How

788
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: do you deal with that political tension even in your

789
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: own party?

790
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that again, people recognize that.

791
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: And this is the conversation I have, you know, with

792
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 2: with farmers, is that we all want to hold China accountable. Right,

793
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: That's the that's the phrase that I hear a lot.

794
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: We want to hold China accountable. Well, it's pretty hard

795
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: to hold China accountable when we depend on them. They

796
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: are our partners in this, they're the consumers, and so

797
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: you know, again it's the idea of tariffs again, when

798
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: they are targeted and they make sense and they yield

799
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: to kinds of results you want. I think that's that's

800
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: good economic business, right, But when you can see what's

801
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: happened historically, and when you can see the effect exit

802
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: it's going to have on the markets going forward, I

803
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: think that makes a lot of farmers really really nervous.

804
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: Well, look, I didn't plan to spend this much time

805
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: on that, but you know, I think it's important to

806
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: understand it from somebody who's you know, who's actually a farmer.

807
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: So the fact that you are I thought it was

808
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: in some ways good education for some of my listeners

809
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: who may not be as familiar with with with how

810
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: how the world, how how some of the Iowa economy works.

811
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: So let's talk about I think what may why we

812
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: wanted to talk with you, why you may wanted to

813
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: talk with me, which is sort of I always placed

814
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: in in rebuilding the Democratic Party, and there seems to

815
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: be a debate. I think the debate is less left right,

816
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: it's more about sort of progressive versus pragmatism a little

817
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: bit right, which is sort of what does it take

818
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: to win and can you do so with your principles,

819
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: et cetera. How do you think that fights going inside

820
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: the party these days? And do you accept the premise

821
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: that I frame there? And if you don't, please push back.

822
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: No, absolutely check. I think that is that is paramount

823
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: for us that we know that the Democratic Party as

824
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: a whole in this country has a branding problem, that

825
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: especially here in a state like Iowa, where the.

826
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: National brand has really stained the Iowa brand. Is that

827
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: fair to say?

828
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: That?

829
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: Is?

830
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: That is exactly right? And that's what I You know,

831
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: I have this conversation with folks. I do a lot

832
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: of traveling across the state, talking to folks all across

833
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: the state, and they recognize that, you know, what the

834
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: national Democrats, what people believe about the Democratic Party is

835
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: very much a national picture, which is not what Iowa

836
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: Democrats are about at all. And so the only way

837
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: to fix that, I believe, and I think it's clear,

838
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: is to have conversations with folks so that they recognize

839
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: that the Democrats here in the state of Iowa truly

840
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: are concerned about the state of the condition of people

841
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: being able to get ahead, to be able to afford

842
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: a good life for their kids and for their families

843
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: and for a good future. And right now that is

844
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: a real struggle because Republicans have been in control for

845
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 2: almost ten years. And what we're seeing is that we're

846
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 2: forty ninth in the country for economic growths, forty eighth

847
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: for personal income growth, that our education system has slipped

848
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: way down past the middle stroke right, and that right

849
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: now as a result of this big what I call

850
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 2: the big ugly Lovesy Law, which you know is going

851
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: to really affect our hospitals. And you know, in general,

852
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: the folks that we are having these conversations with are

853
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: rural people, people who live in and so much of

854
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: Iowa is rural, right that these are folks that that

855
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: want that are struggling with the grocery prices that have

856
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: not come down, who are struggling with the fact that

857
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 2: there that their health care is getting more expensive. And

858
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: again that's why you know right now with his shutdown,

859
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: that the emphasis has to be to really understand this,

860
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: how many people here in Iowa get their their their

861
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: health care through the Affordable Care Act, and that November one,

862
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: These premiums are going up, and as a result, again

863
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: childcare is more less affordable and less accessible. Our hospitals

864
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: are being threatened that maybe, you know, maybe some of

865
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: them will close, maybe a lot of them will have

866
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: to have to reduce their services. People are going to

867
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: have to drive farther to get the health care that

868
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: they desperately need, and as a result, people are gonna Already,

869
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: our rural areas are shelling out right. More and more

870
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: people are finding it harder and harder to live in

871
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: really really nice places in Iowa. You know, you know,

872
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: you know right now, I'm sitting here outside of this

873
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: this little tiny town of Big Rock and a little

874
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: bit bigger town of Wheatland, and this is a great

875
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: place to live. But you can't live here if you

876
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: don't have access to healthcare, if it if it's if

877
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: you can't find childcare for your children, or if it's

878
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: too expensive. So and people are willing to drive, you know,

879
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: to get these services, but they know that there's a

880
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: limit to where it doesn't make sense anymore. And that's

881
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: why we're seeing so many people leaving the rural areas

882
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: and moving to the city. That's a that's a loss

883
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: for Iowa itself.

884
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: When I think about sort of what's happened to the

885
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: Democratic Party over the last decade basically post Obama, I

886
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: do think Iowa is the is the best place to start,

887
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: because there's no state that has more Obama to Trump

888
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: counties than Iowa. So if you're going to really figure

889
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: out the brand problem, you know, how did the Democratic

890
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: Party who had a guy named Barack Hussein Obama right

891
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: who people would have said, oh, there's no chance he's

892
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: going to be able to do well in rural America.

893
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: He did really well in rural America. He did really well.

894
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: It carried Iowa twice, but it went just Iowa carried

895
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: Ohio twice. He carried some states that the Democrats no

896
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: longer think is competitive and actually want to walk away

897
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: from right Florida, Iowa, Ohio, all three. In some ways

898
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: you hear major party leaders going, I don't bother those

899
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: states are gone. You lived it. You saw these counties

900
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: go from Obama to Trump. Put it in your words,

901
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: these are your neighbors. Why do you think they went

902
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: from Obama to Trump? And couldn't you know like they

903
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: were they were sort of had I don't. Did they

904
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: give up on the Democrats?

905
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 2: Uh?

906
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 1: Or was it they were just looking for something different?

907
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think there was lots of factors and and

908
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: you know, the the lots and lots of smarter people

909
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: than I have. Fundits have really you know, looked.

910
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: At would you live there? I don't think any pundit

911
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: could do it. You live there, you have the personal stories,

912
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, these are your friends and neighbors.

913
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, I think, for one thing, there

914
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: used to be a time here in Iowa where we

915
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: concentrated totally on local news and local candidates and talking

916
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: about the things that actually, you know, directly affect people.

917
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: And then somehow that switched and now it's really hard

918
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: for people to get the local news there.

919
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: Because you say it as a local information ecosystem problem.

920
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: I think that's one big part of it. Right, They're

921
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 2: getting the national message and all of a sudden that

922
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: is trumping everything else.

923
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: All politics has become all local politics is national? Now?

924
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: Is that happening a lot more?

925
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: It's it's much more national oriented than it ever used

926
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: to be. And so that disconnect between what Iowa Democrats

927
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: are working for and understand as being important to the

928
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: people who live in this state suddenly became you know,

929
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: not what people came to believe about Iowa Democrats, and

930
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: and that was difficult. That's difficult for us to you know,

931
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: switch away. Also because so many people, you know, Fox

932
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: News is you know a huge, huge influence here in

933
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: this state.

934
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: They replace local news.

935
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, and our local newspapers, our local radio stations,

936
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: they've been bought up by conservative entities. There's fewer newspapers.

937
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: Newspapers are having a harder time surviving, so there's less

938
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: actual political reporting going on. People have to subscribe to

939
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: things that cost money, so they're not necessarily getting that

940
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: kind of information.

941
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: I worry about these paywalls that news junkies will always

942
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: find a way to be informed. The question is what

943
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:29,959
Speaker 1: about everybody else?

944
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: Right, right, So there's so many challenges here that I

945
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: don't know that you know that that we were it

946
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: was the ground was shifting underneath our feet. And I

947
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: think that's part of why we, you know, we we

948
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: just need to have these conversations so that people can

949
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: understand that, right, understand what why it's really important to

950
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: seek out this local news, Why it's important to have

951
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: conversation and the other thing is, you know, at the

952
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: national level, things became so divided, and that eked out

953
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: to all of the states, and it's really affected people's

954
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: ability to you know, in the end, I really think

955
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: that most people have decided they don't want anything to

956
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: do with either party. They don't like politics. It's nasty,

957
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: they don't like it. But they all have an opinion,

958
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: and they all and the vast majority, especially here in Iowa.

959
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: Iowa people really really take it their politics seriously, as

960
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: in it's a civic responsibility. So they want to go

961
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: to the polls, they want to vote, and they don't

962
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: want to they want to be educated about that vote.

963
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: And so it's it's so that division has caused them

964
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: to stop talking to people and having a reasonable conversation

965
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: and recognizing that, you know, maybe what I'm hearing or

966
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: what I'm reading is not the exact and the exact truth.

967
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: And I think that's really a big problem for folks.

968
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: They're trying to figure out what the truth is and

969
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: it's not so easy to find it's not so easy

970
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: to be confident that you're that you're getting to the truth.

971
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: How do you think the National Party is doing right now?

972
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: I think this is a really challenging time for Ken

973
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: Martin and the National Party. I think that again, they're

974
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: they're fighting against a real effort to frame the Democratic

975
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: Party in a way that is not indicative of the

976
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: of the average Democrat across the country. So I think

977
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: that that that they are, that they're in transition. And

978
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: this is what again I tell folks as we travel

979
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: across the state, where we have got to identify ourselves

980
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: as Iowa Democrats and what our priorities are and and

981
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: talk about these kitchen table issues. We cannot wait for

982
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party to get their act together and lead

983
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 2: us out of this this situation we're in. We've got

984
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: to be our own leaders to do that. And I'm

985
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: excited about that right now. I think we're in a

986
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: good position to do that.

987
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: Well. You know, sometimes when you're you're at a low point,

988
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: it's almost more exciting to be a part of you know,

989
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: right because there's only what place to go.

990
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: Well, And I think that you know, when when President

991
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: Trump came in at the beginning of this, uh, this

992
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: this administrative go around, he really came in with this

993
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: shock and awe. And what happened then was Democrats got

994
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 2: very alarmed, and they they were scared, they were surprised,

995
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: they were concerned, and so they got activated. And so

996
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: like you know, right now, we've got so many good

997
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: candidates running for so many different things. We've got more

998
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: volunteers signed up at this point than we've had for

999
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: a long long time. And and people are they've been

1000
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: showing up, they've been speaking up, they've been standing up.

1001
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,959
Speaker 2: You know, we've they've gone to these they're still going

1002
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: to rallies. There's rallies going on nearly every weekend all

1003
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: across the state. And they've been demanding better representation from

1004
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: their congressional representatives. They've been demanding the town halls. They

1005
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: haven't been getting them, but directing them. And and they're

1006
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: very knowledgeable for that reason, they're they really want to know,

1007
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: you know what, some what who's going to do something

1008
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: about this? And as a result, now we've got terrific candidates.

1009
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: We've got a real shot at the governorship. I think

1010
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: that's that's going to be a huge, huge goal for

1011
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: us here in Iowa this time. And we've got four

1012
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: congressional districts and we've got primaries in all four. Again,

1013
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: I think that's healthy.

1014
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: The primary primary park. Does that a sign of health

1015
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,959
Speaker 1: or a sign of of of.

1016
01:03:54,600 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think in this case that's case. I

1017
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: think it's a real sign of health. These are really

1018
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: really good candidates.

1019
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: So would you tell the d SEC don't try to

1020
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: pick somebody off here, don't push people out, let be Yeah.

1021
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: I think primaries are really important time for people to

1022
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 2: really give a good idea of who can succeed. It's

1023
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: the same thing I think with you know, you know

1024
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: presidential candidates have been coming in here already. You know,

1025
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 2: I really think all eyes are on Iowa, partly because

1026
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: we've done so well in our special elections, and people

1027
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: the candidates know that that if they can win in

1028
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 2: a place like Iowa, that's the kind of candidate that

1029
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: can win across the nation. And that's what I think

1030
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: about about these congressional candidates as well.

1031
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: I had a viewer chime in with something and it

1032
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: struck me that you might be familiar with this kind

1033
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: of strategy, which is how come the state parties don't

1034
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: independently rebrand was sort of was was this person's argument,

1035
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: And I said, well, actually, Minnesota for a long time there,

1036
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, they took pride in the fact that they

1037
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: weren't a Minnesota Democratic Party. They were the Democratic Farm

1038
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: Labor Party. You're your neighbor to the north there. And

1039
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: the Republican Party wasn't the Minnesota Republican Party. They were

1040
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: the independent Republican Party of Minnesota. And it was that

1041
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: was on purpose. It was a way to say, hey, no,

1042
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: we're this is the Minnesota branded party. It is not

1043
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: just simply a local chapter of a national party. And

1044
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: I think about that when Rob sand was on my

1045
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: podcast right when he announced me, and I said, you know,

1046
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: because he was really emphasizing his independent credentials, and I said,

1047
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 1: why why didn't you run as an independent? He says, well, look,

1048
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: there's two parties and he said, so you know there's

1049
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, if I thought there was another way to run,

1050
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: I might find any other way to run. But this

1051
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: is this is the way to go. Have you thought

1052
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: about that? Is there is there a rebranding of the

1053
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: Because you essentially are making the case that an Iowa

1054
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: Democrat is different than national Democrat. How do you convince

1055
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: how do you convince more islands of that?

1056
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: I would say that an Iowa Democratic Democrat is different

1057
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: than what people believe to be true about National Democrats, right,

1058
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: And so you know, maybe I'm naive. You know, I've

1059
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: only been doing this job for two and a half years,

1060
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: I've been in politics for a while. I tend to

1061
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 2: be half the glasses half full kind of person. But

1062
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: I really think I'm really, really, really strong that we

1063
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 2: have got to strengthen this party completely and that and

1064
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: that the things that we stick up for, for working families,

1065
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: for trying to help people get ahead, for healthcare as

1066
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 2: a human right, these are things that that will make

1067
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: the world a better place. And so that's why I'm

1068
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: all about strengthening the entire Democratic Party, but doing that

1069
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: through the lens of Iowa, because I think that this

1070
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: is a place where you can do that with common sense,

1071
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: with with talking across the aisle, with working with people

1072
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: of all stripes. That's why, Dan, I'm thrilled that we

1073
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: have so many candidates up and down the tickets so

1074
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: far that will appeal to Democrats, but they will also

1075
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: appeal to independence and reasonable Republicans. That's how we build

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Speaker 2: a strong party, but it's also how we build a

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Speaker 2: strong state and a strong nation.

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Speaker 1: No no, And that's how you can get a bench back.

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Speaker 1: You know there has been a conservative. You know, not

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01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: everybody has the last name of ill Sac And I

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Speaker 1: say this with all due respect to the vill Sacks.

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Speaker 1: They've been I know they've been very good to the

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Speaker 1: Iowa Democratic Party. But you got to sort of move on, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got to be able to have a bench.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask this, give me what are the what

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Speaker 1: are the issues to lean in on that you think

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01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: brands an Iowa Democrat And what are the issues to

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Speaker 1: sort of lean lean out on and you know, be

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: a bigger tent. You know, that shouldn't be a purity

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Speaker 1: test to be a Democrat and I have a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that the issues are very clear. It's

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Speaker 2: got it's it's totally the economy, right, It's it's people

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01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: being able to It's the affordability of living anymore, right,

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01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: because costs are going up everywhere. You know, in addition

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: to the grocery store and the and the healthcare costs,

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01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: electricity costs are going up and are going to go

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Speaker 2: up further. These are things that really make life, day

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Speaker 2: to day life really tough for people. So yeah, we've

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Speaker 2: got to talk about talk about affordability and and how

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01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: working families can get ahead because the wages are not

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01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 2: rising at the same level as as the costs are

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Speaker 2: going up. That's a big disconnect. And so that's that's

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Speaker 2: in there, and there's so many issues other other issues.

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01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: For instance, I think the other two issues that we

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 2: have to be talking about a lot and listening to

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01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 2: folks for solutions is in healthcare, and is and in education.

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01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: But each of those affect people's bottom line as well.

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01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: Right when people understand how they can get an education

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: that gets them a better paycheck, that's the kinds of

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01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: things that we've got to prioritize. And when the costs

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: of health care continue to rise, that makes things so

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01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: tough for families. So we've got to be way leaning

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01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,839
Speaker 2: in on all of those those issues. And that seems

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 2: like a whole lot to me. But and then as

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01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: far as anything else is concerned, I think again, we've

1116
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: got to have real conversations with people and make that

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: those conversations more about listening and less about telling, and

1118
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: quit dividing people and making people and us versus them

1119
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: on issues that really matter to families, right, you know,

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: about having to do with inclusion, having to do with

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Speaker 2: with how to how to handle some issues that have

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01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: really divided us. We've got to we've got to talk

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: about that compassionately and and be a listener rather than

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Speaker 2: so much of a teller.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think you're referring to some of the cultural issues,

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Speaker 1: some of the school issues, uh, trans kids things like this,

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: which are you know, one percent two percent of the population.

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Speaker 1: I get that. At the same time, that becomes definitional

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Speaker 1: culturally right, and it doesn't. It's funny the way these

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Speaker 1: issues work in a community. Everybody there's there's nuance and empathy.

1131
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: When people focus on, Hey, did you know the Jones

1132
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: family's situation, Well, everybody understands the Jones family situation. When

1133
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: it gets weaponized as some sort of two dimensional thing

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01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: on a national level, people sometimes go to their partisan corners.

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. It shouldn't be so black and white,

1136
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: because you know, the Republican Party is always going to

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01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 2: stick up for people's rights. People have the right to

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01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: live the lives that they choose to live.

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01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: Should the Democratic Party always stick up for people's rights

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Speaker 1: to I mean, it was interesting the way you just

1141
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: put that.

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 2: I just is it say it again?

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01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: What you said the Republican Party was.

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01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 2: Sorry, did I No, the Democrat I am sorry if

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, that was not what I wanted to say. Jack, Okay,

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01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 2: So the Democratic Party is always going to stick up

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01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: for people's rights, right, that is, that is just something

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01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 2: that we believe in and we and I think that,

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01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, reasonable people recognize that, you know what, people

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01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 2: have the ability to live the lives they want to live,

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01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: and maybe you have a strong opinion about that they're

1152
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 2: not doing it correctly or whatever. But leave them alone.

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01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: Let them make their own decisions, right.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like the Iowa upbringing that I I always say

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: I got while in Miami. It was sort of like

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: to mind your the Midwestern Methodist was, you know, didn't

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01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: tell anybody else how to how to believe. They knew

1158
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: how to believe in God. What can I tell you

1159
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: how you should believe in God? You know?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, I think we've lost a lot of that

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01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 2: and people have become, you know, again trying to make

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01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: political points rather than really looking at what would make

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01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: the world a better place.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask the most to me, the most complicated

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Speaker 1: one of these issues that do divide is immigration. Because

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Speaker 1: the labor is necessary for many of these many of

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01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 1: the Iowa communities. Right, there's immigrant labor at these meat

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Speaker 1: packing plants and certainly in other parts of the agricultural business.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, there's concern about law and order

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Speaker 1: and security and all of those things. What's the best

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Speaker 1: way for Democrats to be talking about immigration in your opinion?

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Speaker 2: Well, again, I think that we've been pitch hold and

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01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: and uh. And I would tell you that a lot

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01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: of people believe that Democrats are for open borders, and

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Speaker 2: that just is doesn't make any sense to me. Right,

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 2: in order to have a country that operates well, you

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Speaker 2: have to have you have to have border control that

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Speaker 2: that makes sense, that you know is in the country's

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: best interest. And so I think that again, we know

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 2: that that that border issues and immigration issues have have

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 2: been building up and not being addressed for many many administrations. Right,

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Speaker 2: that this is not something that just happened over the

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 2: last few years. It's been going on for a long time.

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Speaker 2: And we've got to get to a place where, again

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01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 2: across Aisle, across we've got to get Republicans and Democrats

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: to recognize that this country needs good border control, but

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01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: it and in order to recognize the realities that we

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: are facing, right now you know that, you know, so

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Speaker 2: much of our our labor here in the Midwest is

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Speaker 2: done by immigrant labor. And I again, I think most people,

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Speaker 2: Republican or Democrat, recognize and repreciate the value of hard work.

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01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: And so when they see that immigrants are coming in

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01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: and doing this work that we definitely that we need

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01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 2: them to do that there ought to be a sensible

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Speaker 2: way for them to get to citizenship. That's what's not

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Speaker 2: happening now that I think is causing us a lot

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Speaker 2: of problems.

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Speaker 1: I get a sense that there's some Midwestern Republicans that

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Speaker 1: even some elected leaders that are trying to say this

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01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: without getting Trump's higher and they're they're not. You know,

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01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: you see it sometimes in the Chuck Grassley twitter feed.

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01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: You see it sometimes in John Thune's remarks. You see

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01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: it sometimes in maybe certain senators who decide not to

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01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: seek reelection i I you know, do you get that sense?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, sort of. Iowa has been an

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01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: interesting state for trump Ism, and one hand, Trump has

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01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: done very well there in general elections, but I also

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01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: get that said that he's not every Republican's cup of

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01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: tea in Iowa more so than other states.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they recognize that, you know that that that

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01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 2: attitude that says that that this is all one party's

1212
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 2: fault is not true. It's not the reality and the

1213
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 2: fact that that you know, people know that we've got it.

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01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: You know, again, take Iowa for example, that we're an

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01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: elderly state that has got and that and that, and

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01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 2: we are not growing as at a robust rate that's

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01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 2: going to help us to fill these positions.

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: That an idiot younger labor in some forms.

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01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, there's there's just I'm sure

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of pressure on Republicans to toe

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 2: the line on this issue, but the realities here beg

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01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 2: for a solution, and that's a much harder left.

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01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: Look. One of the things I've I'm obviously a huge

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Speaker 1: advocate of I think Iowa is a unique state. It

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01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: should it is a really good vetter in the presidential world.

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Speaker 1: But I also believe that it isn't one state that

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: should get the monopoly on these things. But there seems

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01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: to be this sort of anti Iowa vibe inside the.

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Speaker 2: D n C.

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Speaker 1: Fair unfair. It exists. You know it, you hear it,

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01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: you see it, and you know, do you think it's more.

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01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because the state is rural and white,

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: or do you think it's because the last two caucus

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01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 1: of the caucus results were essentially unclear? How much what

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01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: do you think has been the bigger contributor or is

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01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: it hard to disaggregate?

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hard for me to disaggregate. I mean,

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01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 2: keep in mind, check I've only been in this job

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01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: for two and a half years.

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01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: You were not in charge of the last I got it.

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01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I know it is it is,

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01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: it is.

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01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: You know, but I would tell you what I've seen,

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 2: which is that you know, again, they might have that

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01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: idea at the DNC, but the candidates did not get

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01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 2: that memo because they're still showing up. You know, they're

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01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: coming and they're getting big crowds here, right. And again,

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,879
Speaker 2: I think they recognize that this is a great testing

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01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,879
Speaker 2: ground for their campaigns, right because people do take it seriously,

1250
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: and they do ask tough questions and and and it's

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01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: a cheaper media market. So people could come in and

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01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 2: and do this without having to spend as much money as.

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Speaker 1: The mayor of South Bend and could run for president

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Speaker 1: and have a shot at getting heard in Iowa. Oh wait,

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01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: did that happen? Yes, it did, Sun Yeah.

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01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: And you know the other thing is that Iowans want

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01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: to see that kind of a candidate come in and win, right,

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01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: But they're going to test them hard, They're going to

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01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 2: ask them the tough questions. They're gonna they're going to

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01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 2: truly be good vetters. And I'm glad that you recognize that.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is the flip side of that, Chuck,

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01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 2: is that what if that doesn't happen right, like it

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01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: didn't happen this last time, right when the Republicans were

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01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 2: able to come into a state like Iowa and do

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01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 2: that very thing and spend millions.

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Speaker 1: Of dollars cast your three House seats arguably right correct?

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Speaker 2: And I would tell you that it didn't. It hurts

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: our presidency chances too, because they not only beat up

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01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 2: on each other, they beat up on the president the

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01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 2: President Biden administration, and we were never able, we didn't

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01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: have the ability to push back on that, and those

1272
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars did their trick. And I think that

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: that was really harmful to us as a as a

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01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 2: party for the national nomination.

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Speaker 1: Look, I want to give you a couple of chances

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01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: to sort of make your public case frankly, why I

1277
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: think I should be first in the nation. So let's

1278
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: start with world voters. There is this debate and I

1279
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: think it's, oh, I know where I fall on it.

1280
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: But I understand the math debate, which is, hey, you

1281
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: only have a finite amount of dollars, and in some

1282
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: ways there's you got to sort of target urban and

1283
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: suburban areas and the rural vote is a nice to

1284
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: have but not a need to have. And you sort

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01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: of see it and how the Democrats have reoriented their

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01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: focus on swing states. There are swing states with large

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Speaker 1: metropolitan areas see Georgia, Sa, Arizona, Sea, North Carolina. Right,

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01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: there is not an arguably, you know with New Hampshire

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01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: is sort of an accidental exception, uh in some way

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Speaker 1: of a of a semi rural state that is in

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01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: the battleground that that that Democrats want to want to

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01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: run and and protect. So what what give me your

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01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: best answer as to why improving the Democratic brand learning

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01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: how to campaign in rural Iowa, uh matters to a

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Speaker 1: future president.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So again I think that there is we have

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01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 2: much more in common with people, no matter what our

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01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: political stripes are than we have against right. And so again,

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Speaker 2: when you have a candidate who comes into a state

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01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 2: like Iowa and can be up close and personal to

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01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: them and they have those kinds of back and forth,

1302
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 2: that that makes that strengthens that candidate and and it

1303
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 2: really does a good job of delineating the issues of

1304
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: where this person really stands and is that going to

1305
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: be good for a state like Iowa, but for the

1306
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 2: country itself. And also I'm telling you also, Chuck, that

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01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 2: I am not you know you said, I want you

1308
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: want to give me the opportunity to make the case

1309
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: for first to the nation. I'm having a conversation right

1310
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 2: now with our fellow Democrats because that we're not we

1311
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 2: I need to hear from them exactly what they want

1312
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 2: to do. I think it's a time for a bit

1313
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,520
Speaker 2: of a change here in strengthening, strengthening this whole process.

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01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what Iowa can do if

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01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: we if we continue to vet these candidates. But we're

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01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: going to see what what what are Iowa Democrats?

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01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I would argue that it needs to

1318
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: be a rural A rural state should be in the

1319
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: first flour right primarily rural state, whether it's Kansas, whether

1320
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: it's Nebraska, whether it's the country right somewhere in the

1321
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: center with an agricultural base that that sort of has

1322
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: some roots, you know that you know, and and when

1323
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: you look, you know sort of populist routes, right, and

1324
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: sometimes it's populous left, sometimes populous right. But there's some

1325
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, I could argue it doesn't have to be Iowa,

1326
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: could be Kansas, could be Nebraska. Right.

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01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: Well, again, I think that there's a the Iowa folks

1328
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 2: here know how to do this and have been doing

1329
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: it a long time, and we have the infrastructure. And

1330
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 2: that's again what I'm trying to do with with the

1331
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: Iowa Democratic Party. I think when you have a strong

1332
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 2: infrastructure in ninety nine counties of this state, then you

1333
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 2: have a situation where again, a candidate who comes in

1334
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: and is successful here is going to be able to

1335
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 2: be successful in any kind of state across the country.

1336
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 2: And so and so that's what we're working is strengthening

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01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 2: the party itself here in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, look, I mean one of the reasons why

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01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: Iowa kept its status for so long is that it

1340
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: was such a bipartisan state. Yeah, right, I mean, in

1341
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: some ways the loss of you know, you had one

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01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: senator from each party for such a long time that

1343
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: in some ways, do you have a working relationship with

1344
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: the Iowa I mean, the Iowa Republicans, I'm sure are

1345
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: nervous that someday they're first in the nation status as

1346
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: goes away if the Iowa Democrats aren't partnered with them.

1347
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, we're so polarized these days that

1348
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: state parties aren't allowed to speak to each other. But

1349
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: is there an opportunity at all that you see of

1350
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: working with the Iowa Republicans to sort of make to

1351
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: essentially convinced that the national Democrats that, hey, the Republicans

1352
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: are going to stay here first in the nation. Do

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01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: you really want to keep seating this turf exactly?

1354
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, I think that anybody who is

1355
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: involved in the Republican Party or the Democratic Party needs

1356
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: to be talking to the other side. This is you know,

1357
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: and I was when I was first elected to the

1358
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 2: legislature in twenty twelve. That was the mantra. Then, you know,

1359
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 2: you get under the dome and you put the campaigning

1360
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: behind you. You don't get to decide who shows up

1361
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: here to work on behalf of the Iowa people. You

1362
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 2: get to work with all of them. That's what your

1363
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: job is. And that's how I look at democracy in general,

1364
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: that we're all in this together. And so if you're

1365
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: a Republican leader or a Democratic leader, it's incumbent upon

1366
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 2: you to talk to the other side and work with

1367
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: them and make this democracy work better for people.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk mechanical caucus versus primary.

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01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 3: So the thing that you know, this is what we're

1370
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 3: going to find out in this survey, is what people

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Speaker 3: really believe about that, right, because we have strong opinions,

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01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 3: you know, and I've been going around the state with

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01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 3: some regional events and having a uh one on you know, a.

1374
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 2: Personal conversation with folks as well as we're doing an

1375
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:20,879
Speaker 2: online survey.

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01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: So you want this to be a decision that's that

1377
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: the state Democratic Party collectively correct says, Okay, we're going

1378
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: to move if I if you move to a primary,

1379
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: it's because democratically, well it wasn't it isn't you Rido

1380
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: Hart is making this discrect.

1381
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I wanted I want these people to weigh

1382
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 2: in on this and so that I can see if

1383
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: there's a consensus on what we can agree on, and

1384
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 2: I would tell you that, you know, there's there's obvious

1385
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 2: things that are that are a priority for me that

1386
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Speaker 2: might not be a priority for the majority of Democrats.

1387
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Speaker 2: So that's what we're going to find out. You know,

1388
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 2: whether people prefer caucus to primary. I know that. What

1389
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: I can tell you is that there's a lot of

1390
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 2: people that think, simplify it, just dog on it, simplify it.

1391
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Speaker 2: They don't want to do the math at a caucus.

1392
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Speaker 2: They don't want to stand in a corner and be counted.

1393
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: But then there are other people who are saying, but yeah,

1394
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 2: but this is how we make democracy better because we

1395
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 2: talk to our fellow Democrats. We have these conversations. So

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Speaker 2: we're going to find out, you know, what people think,

1397
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 2: and then what's possible, how we can how we can

1398
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 2: all get together on what it should look like going forward.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like you're, well, now I'm not gonna

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01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: but it sounds like what you're hearing is that people

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01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: would like to keep some form of the caucus, just

1402
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: make it simpler. Is that to be there, if that

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01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: if that was, if that's possible, that's the preference over

1404
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: a primary. Is it just a primary seems a little

1405
01:26:58,360 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: too impersonal? Is that the concern?

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01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 2: I think that that concern has been expressed. Now I'm

1407
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm reserving my you know, judgment here on what people

1408
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: think until we know.

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01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: You're trying not to put your thumb on the scale,

1410
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: is what.

1411
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: You're saying, Absolutely not put my thumb on the scale.

1412
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 2: And I don't have all the input right We're still

1413
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 2: we're going to be collecting these online surveys into November

1414
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 2: and I've got some more events where I'm going to

1415
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 2: have these conversations. But I'm encouraged by the conversation so

1416
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 2: far because again, I think that people are seeing that

1417
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 2: that maybe there's there's ways to do this that could

1418
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 2: be that could improve the process. And that's what I'm about.

1419
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 2: We want to have more participation. We want to have

1420
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 2: the ability to show up and get your voice heard

1421
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 2: in the easiest way possible. And if we can do that,

1422
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 2: you know, I'll be really happy with the results.

1423
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's funny. I've heard, you know, one

1424
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: of the credit systems as well. If you you know,

1425
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: if you can't make it to that three hour window,

1426
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: then you don't get to participate, and yet it is

1427
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 1: the in person. You know, this isn't a final decision,

1428
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: This is in some ways a vetting decision, right like

1429
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: you know, I I sort of I don't think that's

1430
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: a bug. I think that's a feature. But how do

1431
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: you navigate that correct?

1432
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 2: It's a it's a conversation that you know that we

1433
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 2: have about precing uh primaries in general, right that you

1434
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: have to be a Democrat or a Republican to participate.

1435
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 2: There's there's that aspect too, So it's all part of

1436
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: the animal. But I do think that when you have

1437
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: barriers that cause people who want to have their voices

1438
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 2: heard simply be unable to do that, then that's a problem.

1439
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: And if we could find a solution for that, we

1440
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 2: definitely should.

1441
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: What's uh, what success look like for I Democrats in

1442
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.

1443
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, we have so many opportunities and in

1444
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 2: the bottom line for me is that we we just

1445
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 2: have to start winning again. And so you know, we've

1446
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 2: got a terrific competitive governor's race ahead of us. We've

1447
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 2: got four congressional districts, two of which have already been targeted.

1448
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 2: We know that that we have a real shot and

1449
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 2: at least two of them. But we've got great candidates

1450
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 2: in all four, and there's growth that's possible, So two

1451
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 2: not three.

1452
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I've always thought three of the four competitive. Right now,

1453
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 1: I would say three of.

1454
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,680
Speaker 2: The four are competitive for sure, two of them are targeted,

1455
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: and the third is definitely competitive. And we've got great

1456
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 2: candidates in the fourth. So you know, you know, we've

1457
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 2: got real opportunities here.

1458
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Just to put the two that are officially targeted, is

1459
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: it one and two or is it one in three

1460
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: one in three? I was going to ask, Yeah, so

1461
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: not the second right now?

1462
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: Correct, but that could change, right you know. Again, we've

1463
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 2: got terrific candidates and they're working hard, you know. There

1464
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: they are canvassing the state, they are collecting volunteers, they

1465
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 2: are raising money, they're doing all the things that is

1466
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 2: going to really make this an exciting opportunity for us

1467
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. And then that, you know, the

1468
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: Senate race is. I could not be thrilled with the

1469
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 2: number of the quality of candidates that are running for

1470
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: that open Senate seed. And I would never have guessed

1471
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 2: that we'd be in this position. Right and again, I

1472
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 2: would tell you that one of the reasons why we're

1473
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 2: in this position is because Democrats showed up, spoke up,

1474
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 2: put some pressure on other things, got in there too.

1475
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 2: But there's a reason why both Jony Ernst and Kim

1476
01:30:55,840 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 2: Reynolds dropped out of these races. And again it's and

1477
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 2: I think since nineteen sixty eight, since Iowa's had an

1478
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 2: open governor seat and an open Senate seat. So this

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01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 2: is this is yeah, nineteen sixty eight.

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01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: It's a good nugget. Yeah, well that means all the

1481
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: legacy media crowd is going to be very happy.

1482
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot.

1483
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: It's a crowded some crowded airwaves. Those Iowa and Iowa

1484
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: state football games are going to have their share of

1485
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: political ads next fall, that's for sure.

1486
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of excitement here in Iowa.

1487
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: And again, let me get you out of here on

1488
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 1: this question just about how would you describe the job

1489
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: of a party of a state party chair. And I

1490
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,719
Speaker 1: say this, you were a candidate for office, you've served

1491
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: in office. Party chair is unique and different, but what

1492
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 1: is tell me some of the differences, and what do

1493
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: you think the ideal skill set is and what has

1494
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,839
Speaker 1: surprised you so far about the job itself?

1495
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: Well, I would tell you that I wasn't looking to

1496
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 2: take this job. I uh but what I what I

1497
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 2: was interested in is being a part of figuring out

1498
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 2: how we can turn things around, how we can get

1499
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 2: Democrats elected in this state. And and so I started

1500
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 2: asking a lot of questions and I got I didn't

1501
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 2: get very many answers. Instead, I just got a lot

1502
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 2: of encouragement to run for this for the and so

1503
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 2: I didn't I knew that this was going to be

1504
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 2: a in these circumstances that I picked it up in

1505
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and all there was there was a

1506
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 2: lot of pressure. There was this party was down and out,

1507
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 2: we didn't have there was there was money problems, there

1508
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 2: was a dispiritedness you know. Yeah, so and there was

1509
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: a lot of uh, you know in people not happy,

1510
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 2: you know, trying to do something but not knowing exactly

1511
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 2: how to move forward. And so that caused a lot

1512
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 2: of strife. So I knew that there was going to

1513
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:09,839
Speaker 2: it was going to be a lot of hard work

1514
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 2: and I needed a lot of help. And so before

1515
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 2: I said yes to the job, I said, Okay, if

1516
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 2: I consider doing this, will you help me in this

1517
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: regard because we've got this problem, and I think you

1518
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 2: have this skill set to help me, right, And a

1519
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: lot of people said yes to that, and then once

1520
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: I said yes and we were on our way, then

1521
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 2: then I then they stepped up and did those things.

1522
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 2: It's a it's very much a job where you need

1523
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 2: to work with a lot of people successfully, right, So

1524
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 2: I think I go back to teacher skills, right.

1525
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: I was just kind to say it sounds like, you know,

1526
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, identifying the students and giving them a job.

1527
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: And if they have one job and you have twenty

1528
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: nine students, they all do their one job, maybe you get.

1529
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 2: A lot done right exactly right, and you and you

1530
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 2: have to be an encourager along the way, right, and

1531
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 2: you have to be a listener. You know. Sometimes it's

1532
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 2: a thing of you want to be involved, but talk

1533
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 2: to me about who you are and what's your background

1534
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: and how you might be involved. That would really be

1535
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 2: satisfying to you. That skill set, if we put it

1536
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 2: in there appropriately, is really going to pay off. So yeah,

1537
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 2: it's that kind of a job where I certainly have

1538
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 2: a have to develop a big team in order to

1539
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 2: get this done and be successful at it. And I've

1540
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 2: been really pleased with the number of people who have

1541
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 2: stepped up, the people who have been very helpful to me.

1542
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 2: They may have been at odds, but they didn't want

1543
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 2: to be They wanted to get these things resolved so

1544
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 2: that they could work together as a team. And we

1545
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,600
Speaker 2: have come a long long ways in that. And so

1546
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 2: I'm pleased with what we've been able to accomp two

1547
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 2: and a half years.

1548
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: And you haven't. You're not burned out on fundraising, because that,

1549
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 1: to me seems like the hardest part of the job.

1550
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: Is it?

1551
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 2: You know, this is how I look at fundraising. It's

1552
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 2: it's a job just like any you know, when I was,

1553
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 2: when I grew up on the farm. I tell this

1554
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 2: story a lot, and folks across the state know this story.

1555
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 2: That how I compare this to one job that we've

1556
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 2: always done on the farm, which especially here up in

1557
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 2: northern Iowa where I grew up, You have to pick

1558
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 2: up a lot of rocks. You have to go out

1559
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: every year and clear the field so that you don't

1560
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 2: you know, ruin your machinery and and and it's you know,

1561
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 2: the process works better, so you got to pick up

1562
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 2: all those rocks.

1563
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 1: And pretty tedious.

1564
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we had a big family. We had nine

1565
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 2: there was I had eight brothers and sisters, and I'm

1566
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 2: smack dab in the middle. So Dad would get us

1567
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 2: out on the edge of the field. And I have

1568
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 2: four older brothers and sisters and four younger brothers and sisters.

1569
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 2: And I soon figured out that you've got to pick

1570
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 2: the rock that suits you, right. Leave the bigger ones

1571
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 2: for the bigger kids, leave the smaller ones for the

1572
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 2: smaller kids. Everybody has their job, and your job is

1573
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 2: to pick up as many rocks as you can, get

1574
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 2: it up on the on the rack and move along

1575
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 2: that field as a team. That's what we have to

1576
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 2: do as a party, right. Everybody has to pick their

1577
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 2: pick their rock and do a and and do it

1578
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 2: as quickly and efficiently as possible. But work as a team,

1579
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 2: because sometimes there's a great, big rock and it takes

1580
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 2: four or five of you to take that up and

1581
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: get it out of the way, and so and then

1582
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 2: you have a sense of accomplishment at the end because

1583
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 2: you look back across the field and you see that

1584
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 2: maybe you didn't get every rock, and it's very likely

1585
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: that you're going to have a lot more rocks come

1586
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 2: up again next spring. And you're going to have to

1587
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 2: do this again. But you've accomplished something for this season,

1588
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 2: and you've been helpful to the to the effort of

1589
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 2: the farm itself. You know, your dad or whoever's going

1590
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: to be planting or arvesting doesn't have to get off

1591
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 2: the tractor to pick up a rock because you've already

1592
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 2: done it for him, and you and everybody, no matter

1593
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 2: how old they were, were able to be a part

1594
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 2: of that team. They got that done.

1595
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: So I had to tell you I expected something else

1596
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 1: other than rock when you began your story about picking

1597
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:22,839
Speaker 1: up that's sometimes another part of farm life, right.

1598
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's right. You got to avoid that

1599
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 2: while you're picking up those runs, right, Yeah, that's for sure.

1600
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: Hey, Rida heart, this was great. I appreciate the time.

1601
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 2: Great to be here, Jack, Thank you so much.

1602
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I think if I think here's

1603
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: the short answer. If a Democrat wins any Senate election

1604
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: in Kansas, Nebraska, or Iowa, or any governor's election in

1605
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: any of those three states, I think one of them

1606
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 1: will end up in the first four. You need a

1607
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 1: Midwestern state. You need a Midwestern state without a dominant

1608
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: metro area. That's why I think Minnesota is too big.

1609
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 1: Would be a mistake, because then you could just win

1610
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: it with progressives in Minnesota, and that would defeat the purpose.

1611
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: So a lot of this I think the only way

1612
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:23,520
Speaker 1: you will convince some skeptics that the DNC is with victories,

1613
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of success in twenty twenty six

1614
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 1: Now there, I assume they're going to try to come

1615
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: up with the calendar before no election a twenty twenty sixth.

1616
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: But you know, to me, anything that doesn't include one

1617
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: of those three. And look, if the Republicans are going

1618
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: to put Iowa first, the Democrats might as well join them. Now,

1619
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: I get it. Maybe you come up with a better

1620
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 1: way to count all of those things. That's that's certainly

1621
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: an issue. And I do think Democrats in Iowa have

1622
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 1: been hurt by the fact that the last two competitive

1623
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: caucuses were not sure who won. Right, was it Sanders?

1624
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Was it Clinton? Was it Sanders? Was it Budajit? Right?

1625
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: It all depends on how you count what you look

1626
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 1: at and all of those things. Would they go the

1627
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: primary route? That's an interesting thought. I happen to think

1628
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: that that there is some good parts of the cot

1629
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean forcing a candidate to learn how to be

1630
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: an organizer. I think it's one of the skills sets

1631
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 1: you want in a president. So I kind of think

1632
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: forcing that kind of mindset's a good thing. And I

1633
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,839
Speaker 1: think there have been too many sort of rank amateur

1634
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: pundits on the left who don't know anything about organizing

1635
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: and who just look at Iowa and think, well, why

1636
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,759
Speaker 1: are you doing it that way? Because I can't follow

1637
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: how the caucus process works, then it shouldn't be that. Well,

1638
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you can't read right, you know, spend ten

1639
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 1: minutes learn about it, and you'll actually realize the system's

1640
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: pretty interesting and it's actually a perfect system to be

1641
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: first in the process because you're not trying to pick

1642
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 1: a winner. You're simply elimiting those that have no ability

1643
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 1: to organize at all. So it's actually a very I think,

1644
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 1: egalitarian process and a free market at the same time.

1645
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: So I think it's a process that should be more

1646
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 1: embraced than it is. All Right, I want to have

1647
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 1: a little fun with my top five list this week

1648
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 1: to top one of my favorite shows is back. And

1649
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 1: you know, often I get asked which political shows TV

1650
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 1: shows do I like, And usually the question is you

1651
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 1: must love west Wing, and I'm like, oh, here we go,

1652
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 1: Aaron sork and stuff. I don't now. Part of it

1653
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 1: is that west Wing is a a sort of a

1654
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:57,759
Speaker 1: fever dream of of what a liberal utopia, utopian system

1655
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 1: would work. It's not. It doesn't. I guess what I

1656
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 1: look for in my political TV shows is a little

1657
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 1: bit of reality. I don't need all of it to

1658
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 1: be reality based. I don't need to be like a

1659
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, as if you're following an historical book. But

1660
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: I want it to be realistic. And I will just

1661
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 1: say west Wing he was never realistic, not one iota.

1662
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: And actually most of what Sorkin does is not realistic,

1663
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: even though it is incredibly moving, entertaining, and sometimes inspiring.

1664
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 1: I mean, trust me, I'm a guy who's seen a

1665
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: few good men so many times, and yet I don't

1666
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: think any JAG officer has ever had an experience like

1667
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon or Tom Cruise, the two stars of that movie.

1668
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: So with that spirit, I'm gonna give you my five

1669
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: favorite political TV shows from the last ten years, not

1670
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 1: going back. So basically, it could be a show that

1671
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: started before twenty fifteen, but it had to end after

1672
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:09,759
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen to make my list, So my top five lists.

1673
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 1: Number one, I'm putting it's the show that just came back,

1674
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 1: and it's a show that in its first season I

1675
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have put in my top five. But now, going

1676
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 1: into season three, the Diplomat is really, I have to say,

1677
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: is really now. I haven't watched a single episode yet

1678
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: of season three, but I loved season two. I loved

1679
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: where they've taken this, I do think, and you know,

1680
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: I had the showrunner on the podcast, so if you

1681
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 1: guys are curious, she gave it terrific a little bit

1682
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 1: of a tease at the time about a new season

1683
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 1: is coming on that front, so we got to sort

1684
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 1: of learn that during that interview process. But look, are

1685
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 1: there some things that are unrealistic. The idea that you

1686
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: would use the ambassadorship to the UK as a launching

1687
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:01,879
Speaker 1: pad for a potential way to that potential vice president.

1688
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: All right, that's a little unrealistic. But the sort of

1689
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: the way diplomacy works when you sort of you know,

1690
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 1: sort of the formal stuff, the informal stuff, the back channeling,

1691
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: the role the CIA plays, how the CIA really is

1692
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,919
Speaker 1: in the State Department work much closely together than anybody

1693
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 1: wants to ever fully admit. So I feel like when

1694
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: it comes to that stuff, it's really good. And what

1695
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: I really admire about what The Diplomat did last season is,

1696
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's been trying to figure out how to

1697
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 1: portray a Trump like figure. I love that they made

1698
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: the British Prime Minister the Trump like figure rather than

1699
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: trying to make it. You know, they sort of with

1700
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 1: Michael McKeon, they turned the president. They basically had a

1701
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 1: Joe Biden like president. Michael McKean I felt like was

1702
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 1: doing his version of Biden, and then they had the

1703
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 1: Trump like character be the British Prime Minister. So I

1704
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: thought that was very clever as well. So look, I'm

1705
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 1: a huge fan. It's number one on my list of

1706
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: the last ten years. I really think it's Kerry Russell's terrific.

1707
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 1: But I'll be honest, the character and the actor I

1708
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 1: love the most is a character, the hal Weiler character.

1709
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I do as we learned, I think it's Richard Holbrook

1710
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: essentially is sort of the backstory of that character. For

1711
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 1: those of you that are diplomatic history junkies. The actor's

1712
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 1: name is Rufus Sewell and I first saw him in

1713
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 1: a TV show called Man in the High Castle. Also

1714
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 1: another one of my favorite sort of alternative history TV shows.

1715
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:45,679
Speaker 1: Doesn't it isn't going to make my list. It what's

1716
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: sort of on my radar. He played the American Nazi.

1717
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: He's just you know, he's just one of these character

1718
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: actors that I think is much strong. I think he

1719
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 1: can be a lead. And I will just say I

1720
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:03,639
Speaker 1: really joy him. I enjoy his character. I've enjoyed him

1721
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 1: in almost every show I've seen him in anyway. Diplomat

1722
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 1: number one on my list. Number two. Number two is

1723
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 1: one that I've also mentioned. In fact, I mentioned it

1724
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: in the last episode It's for All Mankind. This is

1725
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: another one that I appreciate because you know, it does

1726
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 1: alternative history. And the whole premise of this show is

1727
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: the Soviets beat the Americans to the moon, and then

1728
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: like part two of it, is the Soviets land put

1729
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 1: the first woman on the moon before the United States does,

1730
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: and how America would have responded, how our political system

1731
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 1: would have responded, frankly, how Richard Nixon would have responded.

1732
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,640
Speaker 1: I think this show nailed it. You know, they do

1733
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 1: these really fun little news vignettes as in between episodes,

1734
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:02,200
Speaker 1: So if you really focus in, you got to you

1735
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: got to go onto the Apple TV episode website and

1736
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 1: there'll be these little little vignettes that sort of tell

1737
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 1: you what's happening, you know, in the in their alternative

1738
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 1: political timeline. The show itself is not hugely political, although,

1739
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: but they they the timeline is, and the backstory helps

1740
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 1: at least explain certain decisions. I think they nailed the

1741
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: way they their their predictions and how each party would behave,

1742
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 1: how each cana would behave. They had these incredible flourishes,

1743
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 1: like because in their version events, Nixon only has one term,

1744
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:41,719
Speaker 1: not two, so nobody ever discovers the secret recording mechanism

1745
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 1: in the White House, and presidents keep it all the

1746
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 1: way until they have a donas don't tell situation in

1747
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 1: the nineties. So I just think they I thought the

1748
01:46:54,280 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 1: writers did a great job of correctly predicting how the

1749
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: two parties would behave, what kind of candidates would win,

1750
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: which parties would win, which direction things would go anyway.

1751
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 1: I love it. I think it was intellectually challenging. It's

1752
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: number two on my list from the last ten years,

1753
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 1: so one diplomat to fro Mankind. Number three is the

1754
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: show that many of us will tell you depicts Washington

1755
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:30,679
Speaker 1: politicians better than any other, and it's veep. It's sort

1756
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:35,719
Speaker 1: of what veep Catchers is, how unintended so many things

1757
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 1: are in Washington that become big deals. You know, there's

1758
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:43,719
Speaker 1: always this assumption of intentionality in political behavior, whether by presidents,

1759
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:47,760
Speaker 1: vice president, senators, governors, etc. I can't tell you how

1760
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: often it is sort of accidental in nature, and most

1761
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 1: of this stuff is more accidental than not on so

1762
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 1: many levels. You know, I'm a huge fan of butterfly

1763
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 1: effects or of accidents of history, you know. You know,

1764
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: one of the one of the more interesting ones that

1765
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 1: I'll share with you now has to do with Donald

1766
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 1: Trump complaining about Barack Obama's first state dinner, and he

1767
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: calls up the White House basically wanting to either talk

1768
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:23,440
Speaker 1: to Obama, the White House Social Secretary, David Axelrod, somebody

1769
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 1: high up, because he had some ideas of how to Hey,

1770
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:30,719
Speaker 1: you should He has said this recently. He's talked about

1771
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:32,240
Speaker 1: trying to get a ball room. He thought it was

1772
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 1: silly that they used tents on the South Line, and

1773
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: he has wanted to help design a ballroom for the

1774
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 1: White House forever. Well, David Axelrod a minute to me,

1775
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 1: never return that call. Nobody wanted to be the one

1776
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 1: to have to return. All who wants to call Donald

1777
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: Trump back? I don't want to do it. I don't

1778
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 1: want to do it, right, that was the mindset. What

1779
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: if they had called Donald Trump back and had humored

1780
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 1: him and let him come up with some blueprints for

1781
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 1: how to do state dinners, maybe in a nice set

1782
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 1: of tents or something like that. Imagine where we would

1783
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 1: have been. Well, then again, imagine if the NFL at

1784
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:10,679
Speaker 1: allowed the Buffalo Bills to sell the team to Donald Trump.

1785
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:15,560
Speaker 1: But I digress. So one diplomat, two for all mankind

1786
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: three veep. Number four on my list is succession. Look

1787
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:26,600
Speaker 1: the sort of the media, the nexus of media and politics,

1788
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 1: which is more important today than it was even thirty

1789
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: years ago, forty years ago, fifty years ago, and frankly

1790
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been as part of any political storyline even

1791
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties, right, the press wasn't as

1792
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: much of a star, for instance, even of the West wing,

1793
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 1: you know back then. These days, obviously there's there's much

1794
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: more of a nexus between communications between media and politics.

1795
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 1: And there's no doubt Succession, you know, And obviously it

1796
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: seemed to hwe fairly closely to the drama inside the

1797
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 1: Ardoc family when it comes to Fox News. But you know,

1798
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 1: the small things, the sort of the dufist nepo baby

1799
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 1: that decides he wants to run for president and gets

1800
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 1: his one percent right, they just they had these nice

1801
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:24,679
Speaker 1: little grace notes that felt realistic. Right on one hand,

1802
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 1: it wasn't. On the other hand, the more we've learned

1803
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: and seen, you're like, oh my god, maybe it was.

1804
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:35,679
Speaker 1: But when you look at what's been out there, boy

1805
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: did Succession it turned out to be a really smart

1806
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 1: show about politics as well as sort of behind the

1807
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:47,759
Speaker 1: scenes when it comes to media moguls. And finally, number

1808
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 1: five on my list is going to be one where

1809
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 1: it might surprise you where I'm going, and it's the

1810
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:55,599
Speaker 1: Walking Debt. Now, the Walking Debt, of course, started before

1811
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, but you know, one, I think we're still

1812
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 1: there's still some Walking Dead franchise out there. But I'll

1813
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 1: tell you what I loved about the first six or

1814
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 1: seven or eight or nine or whatever seasons of Walking Dead.

1815
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 1: I did eventually give up on it. I've not seen

1816
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 1: all of it, but here's what I thought why I

1817
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 1: put Walking Down on one of my favorite political TV

1818
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:17,879
Speaker 1: shows of all time and certainly in the last ten years,

1819
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 1: is what I thought they did a good job of

1820
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 1: is sort of understanding how the different ways human beings

1821
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 1: would try to organize themselves, and the sort of the

1822
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 1: basic ways right there would be, you know, the charismatic

1823
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: leader might run a benevolent dictatorship in one community, the

1824
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 1: charismatic leader might run a malevolent dictatorship in another community.

1825
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 1: One would be super egalitarian. There was another community that

1826
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 1: was run by all women. There's another, you know, community

1827
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:53,679
Speaker 1: that seemed to have a lot of democracy for those

1828
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 1: that had. And then some sort of storm troopers, you know,

1829
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 1: that we were sort of let loose to do whatever

1830
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 1: they wanted. It just what I thought they that Walking

1831
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 1: Dead at its best would capture are how it in

1832
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 1: some ways help explain how certain certain communities fall under

1833
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: the spell of a dictator, or fall under the spell

1834
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 1: of a cult leader, or fall you know, or end

1835
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 1: up just or or end up thriving as a commune,

1836
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 1: or end up thriving as a democracy that looked familiar

1837
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 1: to us, but it was all. What was great about

1838
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 1: different seasons of Walking Dead is these different communities would

1839
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 1: showcase a certain different way, different political structures that these

1840
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: communities would create in its sort of rawst form. So

1841
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 1: I found it. As you know, I like to call

1842
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 1: myself a political anthropol. I think when you think about

1843
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,640
Speaker 1: if that were a if that actually were something you

1844
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 1: could major in political anthropology, I might make The Walking

1845
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 1: Dead mandatory viewing for those trying to major in this

1846
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,640
Speaker 1: idea of political anthropology. So there it has it. My

1847
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 1: five Diplomat for all Mankind, veep succession and those zombies. Look,

1848
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 1: my issue with The Walking Dead usually were the zombies, Right,

1849
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 1: Every other part of the show was interesting, and then

1850
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 1: by the you know, by seasons four or five were like,

1851
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 1: all right, what's what's the zombie scene going to be

1852
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 1: this week? Right? That was always the lae And I

1853
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 1: think that that's probably why this show sort of hit

1854
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 1: a wall, if you will, right, you sort of got

1855
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 1: worn out by all the zombie, by all the zombie stuff.

1856
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 1: But don't I don't want to undersell how smart of

1857
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 1: a show Walking Dead was, particularly in those in those

1858
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 1: first eight, nine, ten season. So there's my top five

1859
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: list for the week. Hope you enjoyed it. So with that,

1860
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 1: let's move to some questions. Ask Chuck, all right, we're

1861
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna try it. I'm gonna try to get through four.

1862
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 1: My son, ever the Ever the what I would say

1863
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 1: a nice critic. He thinks I don't answer enough questions.

1864
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,880
Speaker 1: He thinks two or three is not enough. I'm gonna

1865
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 1: do four. But he's not wrong. I want to start

1866
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 1: increasing my volume of questions that I answer, which means

1867
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 1: I got to keep my answer shorter. All right, here

1868
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 1: we go. First question, Brian from Vero Beach, Dodgertown, Baby,

1869
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 1: greetings from the Sunshine State. What do you make of

1870
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 1: the reported plans put President Trump on a dollar coin

1871
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 1: next year or possibly constructing arcta Trump Supposedly both are

1872
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 1: to commemorate America's twenty fiftieth birthday. When I first heard

1873
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: about them, I thought both were too fantastical and way

1874
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 1: outside the boundaries of American tradition. But today Cruise are

1875
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 1: demolishing the facade of the East Wing to make room

1876
01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:58,160
Speaker 1: for the Trump Ballroom. So perhaps not. It seems like

1877
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 1: one would never go broke betting on trump'snar someone who

1878
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 1: can watch rocket launches from my backyard. I love the

1879
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 1: episode about place exploration. Thank you Brian from Vero Beach. Look, well,

1880
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 1: let me let me demystify the arc. Okay, in fairness

1881
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 1: to the proponents of the arc. And I know it's

1882
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 1: now being deemed the arc d Trump. This is so

1883
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: the idea is this actually was proposed by this commission

1884
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: before Donald Trump took the oath the second time. You know,

1885
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: there's been this two hundred and fiftieth Planning Commission for

1886
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 1: quite some time, multiple presidents of appointed members. I think,

1887
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 1: to this committee and this this is a proposal that

1888
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,880
Speaker 1: some people have loved and they figured Trump would like it.

1889
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 1: And it is not a crazy notion. You go to

1890
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:47,120
Speaker 1: other cities, they are these arches. Basically, it's almost like

1891
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 1: a like a gateway, a gate into the city. So

1892
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 1: the idea of this of this arc would be, I

1893
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 1: think it's for coming into Memorial Bridge between you know,

1894
01:55:57,160 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 1: Arlington Cemetery. It would be on your way to the

1895
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 1: Lincoln Memorial and you'd have this grand arch and it

1896
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 1: would be there to commemorate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

1897
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 1: You know, that's you know, as a country, right and

1898
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:17,800
Speaker 1: as states at certain significant anniversaries, you many a state,

1899
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 1: many a country has done these things to commemorate two

1900
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:25,160
Speaker 1: hundred two twenty five to fifty things like that. So

1901
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, the arc the arch idea of doing that

1902
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,440
Speaker 1: to commemorate two hundred and fifty, because this is something

1903
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 1: people have talked about before, and we've had other other

1904
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 1: capital cities have arches that you know that essentially welcome

1905
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 1: you in as a gateway to the city. So as

1906
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 1: much as you know, sometimes I think everybody just because

1907
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:50,720
Speaker 1: Trump proposed it doesn't mean it's a crazy Trump idea.

1908
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 1: This one emanated from the Commission itself, and this has

1909
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 1: been an idea that's percolated. Yes, it is gaudy enough

1910
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 1: and gold leafed enough to get Trump's atten, But now

1911
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 1: the coin, okay, that is narcissism on a on another level.

1912
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 1: Now we've we've done this temporary business before. With Eisenhower.

1913
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 1: There was a quick commemoration of an Eisenhower coin. I

1914
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 1: think that was what was done as a to mark

1915
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 1: in seventeen seventy six. I believe that was the choice

1916
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 1: of the bisentennial coin. But you know, we we had

1917
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 1: this you know, we've always had this law that says

1918
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Speaker 1: you don't put living people on stamps, coins, et cetera. Right,

1919
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Speaker 1: you don't get a stamp until you die. That's always

1920
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Speaker 1: been sort of that. So I think the coin it

1921
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Speaker 1: sounds like they're gonna they're going to try to make

1922
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Speaker 1: him a commemorative coin. Maybe the Franklin Mint will do it.

1923
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Speaker 1: There's so much garbage Trump stuff out there as it is,

1924
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Speaker 1: it's it's sort of I think it is unfortunate made

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Speaker 1: anything that the US Treasury does look like it's being

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Speaker 1: part of the Maga schlocky, you know, Franklin Mint, garbage

1927
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Speaker 1: that gets marketed to people, that has no value at all.

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Speaker 1: My guess on this coin business, and the smarter way

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Speaker 1: to get around this would be putting out a presidential

1930
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Speaker 1: coin set and put all the present you know, give

1931
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Speaker 1: all the presidents a coin, and you mint everybody a coin.

1932
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Speaker 1: If you want to do that, you know, that would

1933
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Speaker 1: be the to me, the least of the bad ways

1934
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Speaker 1: to commemorate living people on coins, if you were really

1935
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Speaker 1: going to go down this road, right, I will say

1936
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Speaker 1: this and every other the only places that have living

1937
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Speaker 1: people on their money are usually dictatorships. I don't know

1938
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Speaker 1: why we would want to join the ranks of those countries,

1939
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:51,240
Speaker 1: but I would like I said, I'd separate out the

1940
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Speaker 1: arch from this sort of this laundry list of narcissism

1941
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Speaker 1: charges on that one coin is fair game. His obsession

1942
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Speaker 1: with a ballroom, to me, paving over the Rose Garden

1943
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:09,520
Speaker 1: was just ridiculous. You could argue we could use that

1944
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:12,000
Speaker 1: the White House needs a better ballroom. I'm not going

1945
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: to sit here and say he's totally crazy about the

1946
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:17,640
Speaker 1: notion of a ballroom. The problem is how he's gone,

1947
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Speaker 1: Like with a lot of things, Donald Trump, he may

1948
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Speaker 1: be right about what should about, what about a result

1949
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:28,280
Speaker 1: we should want, but his ideas to get there are

1950
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:32,480
Speaker 1: usually not the best ways to do it, and in

1951
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 1: this case, not going through the White House Historical Association,

1952
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 1: not sort of making this. I mean, look, Americans aren't

1953
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Speaker 1: going to be knee jerk against this stuff if it

1954
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 1: feels like it's done for America. When it feels like

1955
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 1: it's being done for an individual, that's when we recoil.

1956
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:53,280
Speaker 1: And Trump has presented all of this through the prism

1957
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 1: of his own personal narcissism, rather look marking the country's

1958
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Speaker 1: toont in fiftieth. Look, I think there should be some

1959
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Speaker 1: sort of marker and a in DC. I think the

1960
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Speaker 1: Arches wouldn't be my first choice, but it's not the

1961
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Speaker 1: craziest idea. Right, this is America at two hundred and fifty.

1962
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Speaker 1: But it's sort of like with everything Trump does, how

1963
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Speaker 1: he goes about it is usually is usually what turns

1964
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Speaker 1: people off. All right? Next question comes from Chase C.

1965
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Speaker 1: Little Rock, Arkansas. Let's go Hogs. Hey, I really enjoyed

1966
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Speaker 1: your piece on the teapot Dome scandal. Speaking of corruption

1967
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Speaker 1: and scandal, I think Arkansas should just bite the bullet

1968
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Speaker 1: and make Bobby Patrino the permanent head coach. After all,

1969
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Speaker 1: we went from losing to a group of five school

1970
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Speaker 1: like Memphis to taking the best team in the SEC,

1971
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 1: Texas A and M down to the wire. All right,

1972
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Speaker 1: but you only just covered you didn't beat them. But

1973
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Speaker 1: I take your point. Don't we all deserve it fifth

1974
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Speaker 1: or even six chance, especially when it comes with winning.

1975
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Speaker 1: What say you make the Hogs great again? I'll hang

1976
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Speaker 1: up and listen. You know it's funny about Patrino. I

1977
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 1: think he's got to start winning number one too. If ore,

1978
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Speaker 1: here's the only way. If I were an Arkansas donor,

1979
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Speaker 1: you know, big donor, and I've been and I felt

1980
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Speaker 1: like I was let down before by Petrino. Here's the

1981
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Speaker 1: reason to hire him. He might be the best coast

1982
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Speaker 1: you can get on a bargain. Right, who's going to

1983
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Speaker 1: hire him? In power? In the power for I don't

1984
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Speaker 1: think anybody serious but Arkansas right now, which means Arkansas

1985
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:28,520
Speaker 1: is all the leverage and if you can save money,

1986
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:30,640
Speaker 1: but you might get a quality head coach, at least

1987
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Speaker 1: on the offensive side. But essentially he's on a short leash, like, look,

1988
02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:41,200
Speaker 1: you don't get the the the ten year contract so

1989
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Speaker 1: that there's some eighty million dollars buyout because sorry, buddy

1990
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Speaker 1: neck brace, Bobby doesn't get that. That's about the only way,

1991
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Speaker 1: as a board of trustees person of how I could

1992
02:01:55,400 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 1: essentially swallow my morals and ethics that say, all right,

1993
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:04,720
Speaker 1: we'll give him a six chance. But there's got to

1994
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 1: be some upside for the university and for the donor community.

1995
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Speaker 1: And the upside should be there's no buyout. One's transgression,

1996
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Speaker 1: you're out, and there's no eighty million dollar windfall, fifty

1997
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Speaker 1: million dollar windfall, whatever it is. So and look, if

1998
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Speaker 1: you told me that that's I will tell you this,

1999
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Speaker 1: if you're a Hogs fan, if if they go down,

2000
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:32,360
Speaker 1: if they do go down the Patrino road, it means

2001
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 1: that they'd rather focus on basketball and baseball, and they're

2002
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:38,760
Speaker 1: trying to do football on the cheap because Petrino is

2003
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Speaker 1: probably the best coach you can get at a bargain price.

2004
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Speaker 1: All right, I'll be curious what you think of that one, Chase, Thanks.

2005
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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Josh B. He writes, do you

2006
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 1: think message or experienced background matters more? For example, could

2007
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:53,960
Speaker 1: a Gavin Newsom with the right message playing in the

2008
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,000
Speaker 1: Midwest or South or will this coastal background drawn out

2009
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:01,360
Speaker 1: that message? Thanks? So, I think what have we learned

2010
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 1: of the successful two term presidents? I do think message

2011
02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:10,080
Speaker 1: Trump's everything. I think charisma Trump's everything you can overcome.

2012
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, in theory, should a NEPO baby like George W.

2013
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:18,240
Speaker 1: Bush been the obvious you know answer in two thousand?

2014
02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:21,160
Speaker 1: Probably not. But he had his own way about him

2015
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 1: that that worked. He had a type of charisma, you know.

2016
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:29,360
Speaker 1: Barack Hussein Obama on paper a guy from Chicago? Is

2017
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:32,960
Speaker 1: Chicago the best place to run for national office? Froom, right?

2018
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Speaker 1: Is New York City for Donald Trump. So and I

2019
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:38,120
Speaker 1: sit here and do I think a former mayor of

2020
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:40,280
Speaker 1: San Francisco can carry the state of Michigan. No, right,

2021
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:45,240
Speaker 1: I don't. Do I think that a really good political

2022
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:52,160
Speaker 1: athlete can overcome those things? Answers Yes, And so I

2023
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:55,560
Speaker 1: am while I have like, I think there's you know,

2024
02:03:56,040 --> 02:04:01,560
Speaker 1: there's so many pieces of Gavin new some background that

2025
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:07,000
Speaker 1: would have been non starters in previous campaigns that I

2026
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:10,760
Speaker 1: sometimes fear I'm too dismissive of his chances because in

2027
02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:13,920
Speaker 1: some ways I'm holding him. I'm holding him to a

2028
02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:16,680
Speaker 1: criteria that mattered ten years ago, but it may not

2029
02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 1: matter now, right, And I also think that there is

2030
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, the Gaven Nusoms today is a lot different

2031
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:31,440
Speaker 1: than the guy who started issuing marriage licenses in San

2032
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:34,240
Speaker 1: Francisco back in the in the first decade of the

2033
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:38,920
Speaker 1: twenty first century. You know, it's funny. He's a fairly

2034
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,920
Speaker 1: young guy for politics, in his late fifties, and it

2035
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:44,120
Speaker 1: feels like he's been around forever, right, because he kind

2036
02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:51,040
Speaker 1: of has. Right, He's basically been a major player in

2037
02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:54,280
Speaker 1: California park At politics for the entire twenty first century.

2038
02:04:56,520 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 1: And so I think it's possible, but you have to

2039
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:07,240
Speaker 1: almost dominate the attention economy. I mean, I would go

2040
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:09,080
Speaker 1: take a look at this. Chris Haes up ed in

2041
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:11,720
Speaker 1: the New York Times from a couple of days ago

2042
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:16,320
Speaker 1: that talked about that he thinks the next successful Democrat

2043
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:20,240
Speaker 1: will be successful essentially because they dominate the attention economy.

2044
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:26,440
Speaker 1: And I will say this, that's a skill sket Gavin

2045
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:28,800
Speaker 1: Newsom has that ten years ago wouldn't have been seen

2046
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:31,400
Speaker 1: as an asset, and today is seen as an asset.

2047
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:34,680
Speaker 1: All right, I don't want to sneak in one more

2048
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:38,440
Speaker 1: question here. This one comes from Chris k Good morning

2049
02:05:38,440 --> 02:05:40,800
Speaker 1: from Greenville, South Carolina. My Hawkey's had a messy win

2050
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:42,840
Speaker 1: against Penn State, but hey, a win is a win.

2051
02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:46,120
Speaker 1: I know. How about the fact that both Penn State,

2052
02:05:46,160 --> 02:05:49,040
Speaker 1: Florida State, and Auburn, all three schools as of October

2053
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:56,200
Speaker 1: twenty second, have no wins in their respective conferences, no wins.

2054
02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:58,880
Speaker 1: Penn State has not a single Big ten victory, Florida

2055
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:03,200
Speaker 1: State not a single acccory, Auburn not a single SEC victory. Anyway,

2056
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:06,960
Speaker 1: but I digress back to Chris. I'm eagerly looking forward

2057
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:08,840
Speaker 1: to your weekend review. And what's to come and college

2058
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 1: football is tough weekend for Miami. But in my opinion,

2059
02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:12,920
Speaker 1: this has been the most entertaining first half of college

2060
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:14,760
Speaker 1: football in a long time. Question. My wife is flying

2061
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:17,120
Speaker 1: this weekend to visit family, and it's been causing some

2062
02:06:17,200 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 1: stress and off the comments as she travels through Newark.

2063
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:24,160
Speaker 1: Avoid Newark. You've got to try to avoid Newark. Has

2064
02:06:24,240 --> 02:06:26,960
Speaker 1: privatizing air traffic controllers been discussed as an alternative to

2065
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,440
Speaker 1: the current system. I understand that MESSI travel can lead

2066
02:06:29,480 --> 02:06:31,680
Speaker 1: to pressure to get Congress back to work and then

2067
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:34,000
Speaker 1: the shutdown as a follow up. Is there a situation

2068
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:36,760
Speaker 1: where both sides can say face and get back to business. Look,

2069
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:39,640
Speaker 1: I do think we're there, you know, I keep saying

2070
02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:44,520
Speaker 1: that in some ways there's acknowledgment. These healthcare subsidies need

2071
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:48,120
Speaker 1: to be discussed. It's more front and center now than

2072
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:53,360
Speaker 1: that has been. You have Republicans ready to negotiate, but

2073
02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:56,400
Speaker 1: they can stick to their guns saying open the government

2074
02:06:56,440 --> 02:06:59,080
Speaker 1: then will negotiate and Democrats can say they've got what

2075
02:06:59,080 --> 02:07:01,320
Speaker 1: they want and they can they could be I kind

2076
02:07:01,320 --> 02:07:05,400
Speaker 1: of you know, the Republicans in general are much better

2077
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:07,720
Speaker 1: at figuring out how to take a small win and

2078
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:11,120
Speaker 1: declare victory, you know, small progress and declare victory. Democrats

2079
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:15,280
Speaker 1: sometimes get seventy five percent of what they want and

2080
02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:18,200
Speaker 1: then project as if they lost something, and you're like, no,

2081
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,520
Speaker 1: you got you know. I remember during you know, the

2082
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:23,200
Speaker 1: passage of Obamacare, because they didn't get the public option,

2083
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:26,880
Speaker 1: they behaved as if they failed, and it's like, good grief,

2084
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:32,200
Speaker 1: you didn't fail, you know, So it is so it is,

2085
02:07:32,760 --> 02:07:36,880
Speaker 1: you know. I never, I never can underestimate the possibility

2086
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:40,240
Speaker 1: that Democrats don't know how to how to take a

2087
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:45,640
Speaker 1: small a small win and declare victory. But you're asking

2088
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:50,720
Speaker 1: about specific air travel. Look, there's been talk of privatizing

2089
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:59,520
Speaker 1: air traffic controllers before, It's been talk of privatizing TSA before.

2090
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:05,080
Speaker 1: I just think that, let's put it this way, privatizing

2091
02:08:05,200 --> 02:08:11,600
Speaker 1: prison guards hasn't been great for the prison system, and

2092
02:08:11,800 --> 02:08:14,440
Speaker 1: I think that because that experiment has really been more

2093
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:17,560
Speaker 1: of a failure than a success, I think there's going

2094
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:19,680
Speaker 1: to be a lot of hesitation. We already have a

2095
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 1: lot of trust issues, you know, putting that in the

2096
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:27,600
Speaker 1: hands of the private sector, and who would get it

2097
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 1: it is, you know, at this point, I think I

2098
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:33,480
Speaker 1: want to hold government officials accountable, not some corporation that

2099
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:39,840
Speaker 1: we don't necessarily have the ability to hold accountable immediately, right,

2100
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:49,320
Speaker 1: But Newark specifically is just prone to all sorts of problems.

2101
02:08:49,800 --> 02:08:53,680
Speaker 1: The way they're set up works for air traffic controllers

2102
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:55,879
Speaker 1: that's sort of separated from the rest of the system

2103
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:59,240
Speaker 1: in the tri state region there, and they've been trying

2104
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:01,320
Speaker 1: to fix this, but they have a lot of sick outs.

2105
02:09:01,320 --> 02:09:04,160
Speaker 1: They have a lot. Anyway, if it's at all possible

2106
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:08,320
Speaker 1: to avoid Newark, I have just done everything. I've had

2107
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:12,000
Speaker 1: multiple nightmares going through Newark in the past. I simply

2108
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:15,120
Speaker 1: make that an airport I try to avoid. Sometimes you can't,

2109
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, particularly if you're flying United overseas. Almost ninety

2110
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:20,440
Speaker 1: percent of those flights M and eight out of Newark,

2111
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 1: and you're sort of stuck doing that. But if you're

2112
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:28,280
Speaker 1: traveling domestically, there's usually an alternative to Newark, and I'd

2113
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:35,720
Speaker 1: highly recommend it. But I I think privatizing TSA security

2114
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:39,160
Speaker 1: makes more sense than doing air traffic controllers in the moment,

2115
02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:44,360
Speaker 1: especially since ultimately the systems that are in place, you know,

2116
02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:48,120
Speaker 1: with air traffic controllers are going to be always you know,

2117
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:54,160
Speaker 1: implemented by the by the by the government. Where TSA.

2118
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:57,240
Speaker 1: You know, different airport authorities do different things, different security.

2119
02:09:57,320 --> 02:09:59,520
Speaker 1: So you know, if you if you wanted to go

2120
02:09:59,560 --> 02:10:03,560
Speaker 1: down that, I probably would start with TSA security first.

2121
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:06,400
Speaker 1: I would not do that with the air traffic controllers

2122
02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:08,240
Speaker 1: right away. Maybe you see how that goes for a

2123
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 1: while before you think about that. All right, I'll sneak

2124
02:10:13,600 --> 02:10:16,280
Speaker 1: in one more question. This comes from Judar Hey. When

2125
02:10:16,280 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 1: the story about the swastika on the American flag broke,

2126
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:20,400
Speaker 1: it was first reported by The Rooster in Independent Ohio

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Speaker 1: journalists known for covering local politics. Larger outlets like Politico

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Speaker 1: later ran the story, citing quote independent sources, but without

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Speaker 1: crediting him. Wow, what a BS thing to do. Come on, Politico,

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Speaker 1: be better. What does this say about the state of

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Speaker 1: local journalism? And how can independent reporters get recognition for

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Speaker 1: breaking big stories in an era when we need more

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Speaker 1: of them? Thanks shaming Politica. Right. In the sports world,

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Speaker 1: there was It was interesting during the early days of

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Speaker 1: the Athletic when they were not owned by the New

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Speaker 1: York Times, that they were their own up and coming enterprise.

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Speaker 1: They were in between that barstool. There were all these

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Speaker 1: up and coming independent sports outlets that were constantly breaking

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Speaker 1: news before ESPN reported it, and ESPN would do like

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Speaker 1: sources or generic and there was just this massive shame

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Speaker 1: campaign and you know what ESPN started to do, and

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Speaker 1: they've done it a lot now I think they've overcorrected.

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Speaker 1: You know, they'll report, you know, to me. You know,

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Speaker 1: you report about a signing. At some point, it's just

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Speaker 1: a signing. And if you weren't first, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you ain't first, your last, so it doesn't matter anymore.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's sort of commodity news and

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Speaker 1: unique news. Right, there's news you've been that simply you

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Speaker 1: were the first. It's news everybody would be reporting. You

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Speaker 1: just happen to get it first. Then there's like news

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Speaker 1: you unearth and you force to get reported that maybe

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Speaker 1: wasn't planning to be reported. Right, that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: super scoop, right, this falls into that category. That's a

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a story when they when a handout, right,

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Speaker 1: a lot of times these football and baseball and basketball

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Speaker 1: free agent signings or handout. But the shame campaign worked.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you watch the ESPN ticker, they'll be

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Speaker 1: like you know so, and so you know correct to

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Speaker 1: rant sign extension. You know, story first reported by Yahoo

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Speaker 1: sports and they now do that regularly, and so shame, shame, shame.

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Speaker 1: You know. Look, I'm you know, hopefully, and this is

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Speaker 1: why I'd like to figure out a way to create

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Speaker 1: an entity that can sort of network all of these

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Speaker 1: great independent startups together, because I think, you know, if

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Speaker 1: we can have a lot of these small local outlets

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Speaker 1: have a sort of a national spine to feed off

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Speaker 1: of as a resource, then you have you Suddenly you

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Speaker 1: have people that can help make sure you're getting proper

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Speaker 1: credit for your scoops. But the best way to do

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Speaker 1: it and what they successful what Yahoo Sports, the Athletic

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Speaker 1: barstool all successfully pulled off with ESPN and their ticker

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Speaker 1: was shame and it worked. So come on, Politico, give

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Speaker 1: the rooster it's cock a doodle doo? Will you give

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Speaker 1: the rooster its right to prompt prants around on this scoop? Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I was trying some bad dad humor there, so Jude,

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Speaker 1: don't hold that against me. All right? With that? The

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Speaker 1: good news is I'll be back in twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: with a brand new episode, brand new set of set

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Speaker 1: of observations and news nuggets for you to digest. But

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Speaker 1: until then, I'll see you in twenty four hours. Thanks

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