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Speaker 3: welcome you to May twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. We
Speaker 3: are going to have so many conversations here. I gotta
Speaker 3: tell you maybe at the top. You guys, a guy
Speaker 3: did die in a possible kangaroo fight recently. Did you
Speaker 3: see things about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I don't mean finally, I just mean like, hopefully this
Speaker 5: has been, this has proof positive been that you should
Speaker 5: not try to PvP a kangaroo.
Speaker 3: Well, research is ongoing, NOL and we want to think,
Speaker 3: oh gosh, it may it was either stuff they don't
Speaker 3: want you a sandwich or stoned coyote who sent that in?
Speaker 3: And we want you to know, fellow conspiracy realists that
Speaker 3: at First off Air Noel, while you were in Adventures
Speaker 3: Matt and Oarpal Dylan to Tennessee, Palell and I were
Speaker 3: talking about this briefly and it looked initially like it
Speaker 3: was a possible heart attack that hit this unfortunate man
Speaker 3: rough housing with a kangaroo, but it may have been
Speaker 3: blunt force trauma. So just things to think about with
Speaker 3: our kangaroo PvP conversation, which is of course the precedent
Speaker 3: to the viral conversation about one hundred humans versus a gorilla.
Speaker 3: In both cases, don't do.
Speaker 2: It, no matter how strong you think you are, don't, guys.
Speaker 2: I have some news recently. H Mart has Roota begas
Speaker 2: and they are looking good and they taste delicious.
Speaker 3: H Mart produce is just a world away if you're
Speaker 3: not in the US, or maybe not in a community
Speaker 3: with an h Mart. H Mart is a supermarket, a
Speaker 3: grocery store with a lot of other stuff that is
Speaker 3: primarily marketing Korean produce and food, but they have they
Speaker 3: have pretty much everything. Yes, and uh and I love
Speaker 3: those kind of stores.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys, but I make an
Speaker 3: evening of going there. But uh, we do need to
Speaker 3: have a ruta bega mentioned with respect to our pal Dylan,
Speaker 3: who is on a wonderful adventure and will be returning.
Speaker 4: It's a rude vegetable, right is it.
Speaker 5: It's like a turnup or it's like a turn It
Speaker 5: is turn It's a cooler word. Okay, interesting, I didn't
Speaker 5: know that well.
Speaker 2: But there are when you go to Hmart, there are
Speaker 2: other types of turnips.
Speaker 4: Why yes.
Speaker 2: And there are also Korean radishes and other things that
Speaker 2: might shirk you into thinking it's a rootabaga, but it's
Speaker 2: not quite Oh, I like a watermelon radish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gosh, man, we should Why aren't we recording this
Speaker 3: in the produce section of h bart. Also, you know
Speaker 3: what their food court slaps.
Speaker 4: I'll see bad good.
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Speaker 5: And we've returned, and I've come to you humbly bearing
Speaker 5: two pieces of listener mail. Humble farmer style, Humble humble
Speaker 5: farmers style. Guys rip Rebel Moon. But the humble farmer
Speaker 5: lives on in our hearts and our mouths because we're
Speaker 5: never going to stop talking about it as a concept.
Speaker 5: But this first one comes from a humble farmer of sorts, Bufort,
Speaker 5: who writes.
Speaker 4: In Hello Ben Nolan Natt.
Speaker 5: My friends call me Bufort, and i'd like to think
Speaker 5: that we are your friends, Buford, so we're gonna call
Speaker 5: you that as always. Feel free to use my words
Speaker 5: on air if you'd like. On the recent or a
Speaker 5: recent listener Mail episode, you guys were discussing sketchy gas
Speaker 5: stations and by the way, guys really excited about the
Speaker 5: stuff gas stations don't want you to know upcoming episode
Speaker 5: where we will probably go into a little more detail
Speaker 5: about this very topic, which is the casino style games
Speaker 5: that are often found in what one might refer to
Speaker 5: as a sketchy gas station. Noel asked about those, this
Speaker 5: is a topic on which I can share some insight
Speaker 5: I'm an it tech for those sorts of games. I
Speaker 5: can only speak for Pennsylvania where I live, since the
Speaker 5: game laws are different from state to state, but here
Speaker 5: in PA, we have some very specific guidelines we have
Speaker 5: to follow to stay on the right side of the law.
Speaker 5: First off, they are not slot machines. It is not gambling.
Speaker 5: He's doing it in all caps here. But I would
Speaker 5: also maybe potentially put those knots in quote fingers, which
Speaker 5: we'll get to.
Speaker 4: And they are not games of chance. They are games
Speaker 4: of skill.
Speaker 5: The skill is recognizing a winning move in Tic tac toe,
Speaker 5: but something along those lines.
Speaker 4: But it is a skill nonetheless.
Speaker 5: Another key factor is that we as operators have no
Speaker 5: way of adjusting the odds of payouts.
Speaker 4: We legally are not allowed to have any control. Love
Speaker 4: what you fellas do. Keep up the great work piece Buford, Buford.
Speaker 5: The gaming laws here in our fair state of Georgia
Speaker 5: are very similar to the ones you're talking about there
Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania. I think a question that I had from
Speaker 5: the start was like what do you get for these things?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: And I think we talked about how you kind of
Speaker 5: get in script, you know, it's like almost like getting
Speaker 5: credits for the company's store aka the store where the
Speaker 5: little gambling parlor or the little you know, coin operated
Speaker 5: amusement machines parlor is located. That is the term used
Speaker 5: here in Georgia, as I'm sure is also the case
Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania. Cooams that operate under a specific set of
Speaker 5: state guidelines, and here's the breakdown for that. Coams in
Speaker 5: Georgia are not traditional slot machines. They're regulated by the
Speaker 5: Georgia Lottery Corporation. I'm not sure what regulating body is
Speaker 5: going on there in Pennsylvania, but I would imagine it's
Speaker 5: something similar, and they are technically skill based games, not
Speaker 5: games of chance. Businesses operating coams must be licensed. How
Speaker 5: co ams work, players insert money and can potentially win
Speaker 5: credits based on the game's outcome. Winning credits cannot be
Speaker 5: redeemed for cash. There is the key point there. They
Speaker 5: can only be redeemed for in store merchandise, fuel, lottery tickets,
Speaker 5: and because of a new change in the law that
Speaker 5: took place last year, they can actually be redeemed for
Speaker 5: gift cards or other types of rewards that are redeemable
Speaker 5: at other places. Like some of those gift cards you
Speaker 5: might see with like a Visa.
Speaker 2: Logo with Georgia, you can get lottery tickets from the
Speaker 2: slot machines.
Speaker 5: I think you redeem them for lottery tickets at the counter.
Speaker 5: But that does seem Yeah, I see what you're saying, Matt.
Speaker 3: But are they slot machines their skill machines skilling.
Speaker 5: Though the term com or coin operated amusement machines seems
Speaker 5: very politically loaded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, three lawyers. Three lawyers got their Christmas gifts, no question. Also,
Speaker 3: skill machine was my old street name. It's a good one,
Speaker 3: Ben DJ's or MC skill machine. Kill machines also kind
Speaker 3: of fun. Maybe a little more on the metal side.
Speaker 3: But here in Georgia, uh, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation
Speaker 3: has a wing called the CGU, or Commercial Gambling Unit,
Speaker 3: which is dedicated to enforcing laws related.
Speaker 4: To these machines.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: And if you go to the GBI's website, you can
Speaker 5: find a little sub page for the c GU where
Speaker 5: there is a number that you can call to report
Speaker 5: any sketchy gas station activities.
Speaker 2: I buzzkill guys, got an idea, guys, Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go in with some fellow listeners on a local
Speaker 2: gas station here in Atlanta. Let's uh, let's you know,
Speaker 2: raise whatever funds we need to buy the place, then
Speaker 2: build out an entire room in the back, like a
Speaker 2: hidden room in the back. Everything will be fully, completely
Speaker 2: above board. It will seem crazy sketchy though, and it'll
Speaker 2: all be to make friends with this group of folks,
Speaker 2: these regulators here in Georgia. The gaming conditions right, and
Speaker 2: it's all. That's the goal, that's the whole goal.
Speaker 4: But we make.
Speaker 5: It to what end, well, that's the first step.
Speaker 2: The rest we would have to write, but it would
Speaker 2: be very exciting thing to do.
Speaker 3: But I agree with it, and I think match just
Speaker 3: asks I don't want to miss this match just asks
Speaker 3: the most important question there. The idea here goes again
Speaker 3: to legal ease. The idea goes into how one is
Speaker 3: paid or not paid right, or what the winnings comprise
Speaker 3: of So like an example in Japan would be pachinko partlers,
Speaker 3: which have a long standing organized crime affiliation. You can't
Speaker 3: I'm doing air quotes so hard, wush wish. You can't
Speaker 3: win prize or money from pachinko, But you can get
Speaker 3: a ticket where you go to another It's like buying weed.
Speaker 3: In Amsterdam, you go to another nearby business and you
Speaker 3: have your little coupon or ticket and then you exchange
Speaker 3: it for stuff. That's how they get around the loss.
Speaker 3: And it seems like there's a similar bit of legal parkour.
Speaker 4: Here for sure.
Speaker 5: And I think the thing that really threw me, guys
Speaker 5: and why I was asking some of these questions in
Speaker 5: the first place, the three of us recently had a
Speaker 5: chance to go to Las Vegas together.
Speaker 4: And I think it was the first time for at
Speaker 4: least two of us.
Speaker 5: It certainly was for me and we you know, we
Speaker 5: did a little hanging out on the floor. You know,
Speaker 5: we really quite fancied that Frankenstein, it's a live video
Speaker 5: poker machine.
Speaker 4: I yes, I did. That's okay.
Speaker 3: Maybe I think you're the one who played it, right.
Speaker 4: I don't think I thought we all played it a
Speaker 4: little bit, Mattie. I seem to remember you alive.
Speaker 3: I'm the one who didn't get to play it.
Speaker 2: I dropped so much money on it, and I want
Speaker 2: so much money.
Speaker 5: And then lost it all again. That's how it was
Speaker 5: for me, at least. I don't want to speak for
Speaker 5: either of you. But the thing that I noticed though
Speaker 5: at least at one of the little gas stations near
Speaker 5: my house in Atlanta where I've seen these is there
Speaker 5: are identical games as ones that I saw on the
Speaker 5: casino floor, same branding, same like user interface. Remember the
Speaker 5: one with the buffaloes stampeding you guys. We saw that
Speaker 5: one all over the place in Vegas. It was in
Speaker 5: the airport, and it was in all the different casinos
Speaker 5: that we popped into. And I've seen that there same
Speaker 5: one in a gas station. And the distinction there a
Speaker 5: slot machine, I think you just pull a lever or
Speaker 5: press a button and that's it.
Speaker 4: With these you do there is that aspect of a skill.
Speaker 5: I think it's as simple as just requiring you to
Speaker 5: make a decision based on being presented with an option,
Speaker 5: or maybe hitting a trigger with the right timing or
Speaker 5: something like that, or to Buford's point, something like solving
Speaker 5: a simple puzzle or you know, doing a simple tick
Speaker 5: tech toe.
Speaker 4: But the degree to which that is implemented is so minimal.
Speaker 5: Sure, it really is kind of outrageous to consider any
Speaker 5: of these anything but games of chance. The the the
Speaker 5: legal aspect of the companies not being able to determine
Speaker 5: the payouts and to manipulate anything like that.
Speaker 4: That is also interesting and does seem to to ring
Speaker 4: true here.
Speaker 5: But I did want to point to an article that
Speaker 5: I found, and I'm not sure what this is called
Speaker 5: appen media. Maybe this is just a press release that
Speaker 5: got spread around, but the headline is new Georgia law
Speaker 5: behind surge of gas station slot machine games North Fulton County,
Speaker 5: Georgia with legal skill based quote unquote slot machines popping
Speaker 5: up a conveniences growth states I Metro Atlanta's wants to
Speaker 5: know how they work. There was this law that was
Speaker 5: passed last year. It expanded the kind of rewards that
Speaker 5: slot machines could offer players, inviting an increase of rewards
Speaker 5: based gaming. Coin based amusement machines differ than slot machines
Speaker 5: in Las Vegas and Native American casinos because they're classified
Speaker 5: as skill based games according to state law. State Statue
Speaker 5: defines two types of coin based amusement machines. Class A ones,
Speaker 5: like typical arcade games, kiddie rides and pool tables, do
Speaker 5: not allow players to carry over points after a play
Speaker 5: or a game. Class B coin based amusement machines are
Speaker 5: also games of skill that may allow a successful player
Speaker 5: to carry over points one on one play to a
Speaker 5: subsequent play. For retailers, the licensing for a Class B
Speaker 5: machine is four one hundred percent more than Class A machines.
Speaker 4: Y'all, what do you make of that?
Speaker 3: It's a vice tax?
Speaker 5: I mean it sure is, But why I mean it
Speaker 5: doesn't it seem to acknowledge that the B types are
Speaker 5: going to inherently be more lucrative.
Speaker 3: I would say, so you also want to increase the
Speaker 3: barrier of entry, right, I don't know. Still, like I'm
Speaker 3: divided on this. I know there are people who have
Speaker 3: struggled with serious gambling issues. We do know in full
Speaker 3: disclosure that games of chance like the lottery have done
Speaker 3: a lot for education in Georgia, specifically through things like
Speaker 3: the Hope Program, wherein proceed yeah, proceeds from the lottery
Speaker 3: helped people access education that they may not have been
Speaker 3: able to access otherwise. So I think that's I think
Speaker 3: that's cool. I'm a little on the fence about it,
Speaker 3: Nolan Buford, But Noel, before we go on, could I
Speaker 3: share a special message to Buford?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Okay, Beauford, it's great to hear from you again. You
Speaker 3: and I in the group had a conversation earlier where
Speaker 3: you gave us some great clarification on juggalos. So whoop
Speaker 3: whoop to you, sir. And then also, not only do
Speaker 3: we appreciate this clarification, but we would like to on
Speaker 3: air offer you the newly established position of stuff they
Speaker 3: don't want you to know'se official ICP slash Juggalo correspondent.
Speaker 3: As we wrote to you and said earlier, this is
Speaker 3: a volunteer position. We understand if you need to pass,
Speaker 3: but if you are down to clown, we'd love to
Speaker 3: have you as our expert correspondent going.
Speaker 5: Forward, down to clown and down with the clown, Great Malenko.
Speaker 3: We were rolling the dice on that one, just putting
Speaker 3: it out into the void.
Speaker 4: I love it. Just to wrap this one up really quickly.
Speaker 5: In the same piece, you know, opponents of this law
Speaker 5: say that in order to it's sort of like you know,
Speaker 5: winning stuff at arcade, Like to get the thing that's
Speaker 5: actually really cool, you would have had to spend so
Speaker 5: many coins or credits or whatever.
Speaker 4: I would probably well exceed the value of the.
Speaker 5: Thing, the video game or you know, the giant plushy
Speaker 5: or whatever, the thing that maybe has a more reasonable
Speaker 5: monetary value. It just becomes an absolute wash for players
Speaker 5: to be eligible for a two thousand dollars payout, they
Speaker 5: say they'd have to play four hundred times at a minimum.
Speaker 5: And proponents of the law, to your point, Ben, say
Speaker 5: that the best thing that reform bill did was to
Speaker 5: regulate and bolster the Georgia Lottery's education revenue. And he
Speaker 5: thinks that the state may get the funding for universal
Speaker 5: pre K as a result. And that program that we're
Speaker 5: talking about here has generated billions of dollars twenty eight
Speaker 5: point three billions since nineteen ninety two, when Governor zel Miller,
Speaker 5: you know, was kind of spearheaded that whole initiative of
Speaker 5: the Georgia Lottery.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I'm with you, Ben, it is a mixed bag.
Speaker 5: But it does feel like those Class B machines are
Speaker 5: the ones that very much would be the same user
Speaker 5: interfaces as like the types of proper gambling machines that
Speaker 5: you'd see in Vegas. And when you start giving people
Speaker 5: the ability to take their winnings outside of the kind
Speaker 5: of contained ecosystem of just like a particular gas station,
Speaker 5: it does start to feel a little more like a
Speaker 5: workaround for cash payouts and have the potential to be
Speaker 5: triggering and potentially detrimental for folks that are just chasing
Speaker 5: those payouts.
Speaker 4: Agreed, what we're going to move on from that one.
Speaker 5: Thanks Buford to a real quick one that is a
Speaker 5: nice companion to an episode that we've got coming up
Speaker 5: about a little kissing cousin of Bigfoot that's been making
Speaker 5: waves in China. This one comes to us from have
Speaker 5: my Farts be staking? Yeah, that's what it says, self
Speaker 5: proclaimed of the micronation of two ty fruity land pending.
Speaker 4: So there we go, said it. This is what they
Speaker 4: have to say.
Speaker 5: Hey, y'all, I came across some local stories that you
Speaker 5: might be interested in. The links are below, and they
Speaker 5: linked us to a couple of cool cryptid stories.
Speaker 4: The shunka Warakan creature is a new one for me.
Speaker 5: There was a trend in this region where people made
Speaker 5: weird taxi pranks like the Jackalobe. I kind of lean
Speaker 5: towards that theory, but it's kind of a cool creature.
Speaker 5: Maybe we could cross the new dire wolf babies with
Speaker 5: this thing and have a totally new beast.
Speaker 4: So he links to an article from Atlas obscura.
Speaker 5: Beware Montana's Shunka Waracan, the Rocky Mountain hyena, bit of
Speaker 5: a chupacabra type fellow. Is this one of these crafty
Speaker 5: cryptids on display in a small museum? So let's just
Speaker 5: go into the piece there? In Alice Obscuro by J.
Speaker 5: W Auker, something has been preying on domesticated animals across
Speaker 5: the plains of Montana for centuries. It has been given
Speaker 5: many names over the years below, most of which burn
Speaker 5: angry red squiggly lines when typed into Microsoft word Shunka Waracan,
Speaker 5: ring Docus, gastakutis. But also it's been called the beast
Speaker 5: and the Rocky Mountain hyena.
Speaker 4: In fact, any name.
Speaker 5: But wolf, although the creator could easily be called a wolf.
Speaker 5: Perhaps that's because wolves were extinct in the state for
Speaker 5: about half of the twentieth century, But that's a blip
Speaker 5: in the Shunko Moroccan's reign of terror. Wherever they are,
Speaker 5: they are known to attack dogs and cows and sheep
Speaker 5: and anything else served up on a fenced in platter.
Speaker 5: If only we had a carcass, we could figure out
Speaker 5: what this creature is.
Speaker 4: Once and for all.
Speaker 5: There is show us the body. You know, where's the carcass?
Speaker 5: We never really find one of those, so that's an
Speaker 5: interesting one. Probably when we could maybe add to a
Speaker 5: future Cryptids you Don't Know About episode. Then fartsb Stankin
Speaker 5: goes on to talk about another topic. We had some
Speaker 5: interesting discussions at family gatherings for graduations this weekend. My
Speaker 5: grandparents still live near where these mutilations happen. My mom
Speaker 5: brought up the topic this weekend, which prompted a dramatic
Speaker 5: I roll from my dad. These kinds of mysteries are
Speaker 5: right up my alley, though, so I thought I would
Speaker 5: share this one with y'all. The article mentioned a theory
Speaker 5: that one group of people was traveling around using a
Speaker 5: helicopter to do bizarre things to cows. Were there any
Speaker 5: veterinarians recruited for Operation paper Clip? My theory is either
Speaker 5: doctors researching face transplants or a board millionaire the helicopter
Speaker 5: might be responsible. Thank goodness for TikTok dances releasing some
Speaker 5: more positive creative energy from people. Well, thanks for the
Speaker 5: good show. In hours of entertainment, have my fart's been thinking?
Speaker 5: Self proclaimed of the micronation of Judy Friedland and the
Speaker 5: second piece that they linked to cattle mutilations across Wyoming
Speaker 5: and the West in nineteen seventies, still a mystery, and
Speaker 5: in this piece from Cowboy State Daily, there's an excellent
Speaker 5: comic strip that's attached from UFO and Outer Space magazine,
Speaker 5: the Case of the Cattle Killers.
Speaker 4: On it, you see some humble farmers.
Speaker 5: Pointing to these dead cow carcasses, and this one dude
Speaker 5: asking the question.
Speaker 4: We're all asking what could have killed all these cows?
Speaker 5: June nineteen seventy eight, It says a farming community near
Speaker 5: Saint Louis. It was here that a number of residents
Speaker 5: first witnessed the same phenomenon early one morning as they
Speaker 5: went to inspect their pastures. Not only that, but look
Speaker 5: how they died exactly. These are the questions that these
Speaker 5: humble farmers are asking of their slaughtered herd. And trigger
Speaker 5: warning here you all have some graphic language coming up
Speaker 5: from this piece. The horror of mutilated cattle, cheeks cut
Speaker 5: off on one side, tongues, missing sexual organs removed, bloodless carcasses,
Speaker 5: and no visible signs of predation made big, bold headlines
Speaker 5: across Wyoming and the West in the mid nineteen seventies,
Speaker 5: Wyoming had reports of cattle mutilation in Newcastle, in the
Speaker 5: Bridger Valley in Uinta County, and in Sublett County. There
Speaker 5: were mutilated horses in me Titsi and Carbon County. Two
Speaker 5: years later, there was a report of a heifer outside
Speaker 5: Casper found dead under similar circumstances. In the years immediately
Speaker 5: after the Vietnam War and Watergate, suspects included the US military,
Speaker 5: who some surmise were conducting experiments are collecting tissue Satanic
Speaker 5: cults of course at Ol Chestnut or UFO visitations. And yeah,
Speaker 5: this is a great read actually if you want to
Speaker 5: check it out Cowboy State Daily.
Speaker 4: This is by Dave killing.
Speaker 5: Back, really really cool, well researched piece, kind of an
Speaker 5: oral history of a lot of these cattle emulation stories.
Speaker 4: So it's still the jury is definitely still out.
Speaker 5: But I'm liking your I'm liking your theories about weird robing,
Speaker 5: surgeons researching. You know, it's almost like the whole resurrection
Speaker 5: man theory of Benjamin Franklin, you know, and all the
Speaker 5: bodies he had buried.
Speaker 2: Dude, there is a recent story out of USA today
Speaker 2: that connects both of these messages or both both of
Speaker 2: these ideas within farts, bey, stinking or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Message Recently in California, in several counties, including Bodoc County,
Speaker 2: which is featured in the Unlikely Gems series on Instagram,
Speaker 2: there's a state of emergency because gray wolf attacks have
Speaker 2: been on the rise evoy a lot the great the
Speaker 2: gray wolf population is showing very little fear of humans
Speaker 2: right now and coming very close to They're taking on
Speaker 2: livestock primarily, but they're also coming very close to the
Speaker 2: human settlements and appear to be, I don't know, just
Speaker 2: not fearing what they normally would.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, Matt, and that's certainly one of the
Speaker 5: possibilities that's outline in this article. Another one that our
Speaker 5: listeners suggested is this idea of helicopters. And this was
Speaker 5: new to me and it maybe is something we've talked about,
Speaker 5: but in the piece they talk about evidence of helicopters
Speaker 5: being discovered, credible reports of military style helicopters in the area,
Speaker 5: and on one occasion three in different locations. The aircraft
Speaker 5: were reported to have had no numbers on the side,
Speaker 5: did not use lights, and were only seen at dusk.
Speaker 5: There's a statement coming from the under sheriff of this
Speaker 5: particular county said this, We found a lot of rotor
Speaker 5: wash around the carcasses. We found the marks of the
Speaker 5: landing skids that led me to believe it was something
Speaker 5: a little more involved, and predators wouldn't have anything to
Speaker 5: do with those carcasses. Birds wouldn't peck on them. We
Speaker 5: never had any incidents like that before, and we never
Speaker 5: had any after. If it was predators, why didn't it
Speaker 5: continue on?
Speaker 4: It just didn't.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Are we making a connection to Buford
Speaker 2: and the helicopter rides of the gathering.
Speaker 5: Exactly last thing in nineteen seventy five September of nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy five the Colorado Springs, Because that Telegraph reported that
Speaker 5: El Paso County under Sheriff Gary Gibbs pointed to another
Speaker 5: possibility of a Satanic cult, referring to nomadic people being responsible.
Speaker 5: In the past two years, we've found evidence of similar
Speaker 5: happenings in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska,
Speaker 5: and Wyoming.
Speaker 4: This isn't a small group. There are several thousand members
Speaker 4: across the country. This undershriff seems pretty sure of himself.
Speaker 5: Some people laugh at the idea, but we have been
Speaker 5: working very hard on the problem and we have definite evidence.
Speaker 4: We want to catch those people because we don't know.
Speaker 5: What they'll do when they tire of mutilating cows. Well,
Speaker 5: they were referred to state crime labs, but apparently the
Speaker 5: crime labs.
Speaker 4: Were used to get involved.
Speaker 5: Said here, I heard from other sheriff offices that that
Speaker 5: was the case that they were running up against in
Speaker 5: all of our states. And yeah, it goes on the
Speaker 5: whole section about FBI file and the predator conclusion not
Speaker 5: being particularly valid.
Speaker 4: So boy oh boy, this is a cool read. Do
Speaker 4: check that one out.
Speaker 5: Dave killingback Cowboystatedaily dot Com.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I got for this one.
Speaker 5: I don't know any any food for thought to leave
Speaker 5: the listeners with Ben about cattle mutilations.
Speaker 4: Do you have any pet theories.
Speaker 3: I'll go ahead and save them for an episode. I
Speaker 3: agree with you have my this is something that we
Speaker 3: would love to continue, and I think that's a great
Speaker 3: point about a new iteration of cryptids you've never heard of.
Speaker 3: Please check out those episodes if you haven't yet.
Speaker 5: Awesome, We're going to take a quick break here a
Speaker 5: word from our sponsor and full disclosure, y'all. I have
Speaker 5: to take off for an appointment, so if you don't
Speaker 5: hear me, that's why. But I know you're gonna get
Speaker 5: some excellent listener mails from Matt and Ben.
Speaker 2: And we've returned and we are jumping to the phone lines.
Speaker 2: First person we're gonna shout out here is Mohawk. Mick.
Speaker 2: Mohawk sent us a message a little while back. He
Speaker 2: has been working the I'm not gonna play this message,
Speaker 2: but he has been working the Gathering of the Jugglos
Speaker 2: since twenty thirteen. And Ben he said he has first
Speaker 2: hand experience with the helicopter ride and he said, oh waittiful.
Speaker 4: He said it's epic.
Speaker 3: Imagine So yeah, that's awesome. Thank you Mohawk Mick.
Speaker 2: But he sent us another message just after listening to
Speaker 2: our episode where we mentioned the gathering of the Jugglos,
Speaker 2: which is happening by the way, on August thirteenth through
Speaker 2: the sixteenth of this year in Thornville, Ohio. If you're interested,
Speaker 2: we were talking about adding a low to the ends
Speaker 2: of things. Uh, just in to reference them while you
Speaker 2: are at the gathering or if you are a self
Speaker 2: identifying juggalo. So here's mohawk Mick's quick message.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry I had into to the playing of the podcast.
Speaker 7: Believe my last message, and just so you know, that
Speaker 7: would be a mermal low. It would officially be a
Speaker 7: murmur low. And yes, we are so lame that we
Speaker 7: add all love to many things. I caught a fishal low.
Speaker 7: If you ride a bike, you're a bike a low.
Speaker 7: So it goes on as outrageous as you think. That
Speaker 7: gets it gets there. We are simple, so very simple.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. The future of humble farmers.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mohawk Mick.
Speaker 2: Well there you go. Uh, good information for mohawk Mick,
Speaker 2: another of our representatives in the juggler community. Let's jump
Speaker 2: to a message sent to us by KP. It's a
Speaker 2: short one, but it's a it's a good one.
Speaker 3: I remember this one.
Speaker 8: Gentlemen, this is KP. You have my permission voicemail in
Speaker 8: my voice on you may I think that the so
Speaker 8: you put a call out any octopus that happened to
Speaker 8: listen to podcasts, and I don't think that's quite a reality.
Speaker 8: Do you think there might be some octopus that listened
Speaker 8: to Cephala podcast. Ah, okay, if out.
Speaker 3: No stay, you found your people, or you know you
Speaker 3: found your show.
Speaker 2: There you go, Ben. Should we share what happened recently
Speaker 2: off air dealing with cephalopods and a certain song slash musical.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I don't know. We're already running pretty long,
Speaker 3: but we can. We'll give you the short skinny and
Speaker 3: it'll be like guaca mole at Chipotle. Upon request. If
Speaker 3: you want to hear more, you can write to us.
Speaker 3: But we went through a phase we were talking about. It
Speaker 3: was you and Dylan and myself we were we were
Speaker 3: talking about the strange science put into octopus civilization and
Speaker 3: the possibility of extending the octopus lifespan, which led us
Speaker 3: on a bit of a manic phase to rewrite the
Speaker 3: first song of the musical Hamilton, all to be all
Speaker 3: about octopus lobotomies. And if you want to read the lyrics,
Speaker 3: write to us and we'll share them with you.
Speaker 2: Ah, just do a little, you give us a taste.
Speaker 3: Sure, So for anybody who knows the first song of Hamilton,
Speaker 3: this will maybe make sense. If you don't, thanks for
Speaker 3: hanging out with us.
Speaker 4: It goes.
Speaker 3: Octopus lobotomy. I'm an octopus lobotomy. People wish I had
Speaker 3: a thousand dollars. It's just these eight, just these, and
Speaker 3: it goes on. I'm a squid, I have ten, Like
Speaker 3: we have the whole song. So if you want to
Speaker 3: hear it, or if you want to read the lyrics,
Speaker 3: just email us.
Speaker 2: We should put it out.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying we should write to Lin Manuel and
Speaker 3: be like, hey, big fans, weird pitch.
Speaker 2: Let's let's write the Psychopathic records.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, and KP by the way, hashtag no
Speaker 3: pun left behind. Thank you so much for taking the
Speaker 3: time there. This kind of stuff makes our evening.
Speaker 2: It does, and it's just fun for everybody who listens, right,
Speaker 2: I think so. So speaking of let's jump to a
Speaker 2: message from Josie who heard us talking on Strange News.
Speaker 2: A little thing that Noel mentioned about us, A whole
Speaker 2: town that got infected with the weed, right, and if
Speaker 2: you'll recall that message, I had to do with a giant,
Speaker 2: deliberate burn of cannabis, and specifically that cannabis was laid
Speaker 2: upon tires and then doused with diesel fuel and then
Speaker 2: satellite and you know, at least according to the reporting
Speaker 2: that the following smoke, and the smoke it generated got
Speaker 2: the entire town a little high and was pretty annoying.
Speaker 3: And this is in Turkey, where people in that town
Speaker 3: are not what you would call stoners.
Speaker 2: Yes, precisely, So let's jump to this message from Josie.
Speaker 9: My name is Josie, Time Listener, and I absolutely love
Speaker 9: you guys. I'm listening to your podcast about AI lovers
Speaker 9: and marijuana burning. Diesel fuel and tires are both petroleum
Speaker 9: based products, which makes them oil based, and THHC becomes
Speaker 9: more chemically active when combined with oil based products, which
Speaker 9: is why when people who shall remain me go to
Speaker 9: make their edicals, we dry the cannabis and a very cool,
Speaker 9: dry frying pan and then we simmer it for about
Speaker 9: thirty minutes, sometimes an hour, depending on how much cannabis
Speaker 9: you have. And my personal choice is coconut oil because
Speaker 9: it doesn't have any flavor and it has a high
Speaker 9: melt point. But I have also used olive oil, I've
Speaker 9: used butter. Now I don't know that I would use diesel,
Speaker 9: but it explains why so many people were high for
Speaker 9: so long, and I just got to do the shout
Speaker 9: out to Agusta Georgia for Noel Brown spent twenty five
Speaker 9: years in my life in that city.
Speaker 2: There you go some information on oil and cannabis in
Speaker 2: a little shout out there that unfortunately you Ola has
Speaker 2: left so he can't respond to that. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: I don't know much about oil and cannabis, but that
Speaker 2: does make sense, I suppose. I recall watching on Netflix
Speaker 2: there was a whole series on cooking with cannabis where
Speaker 2: they discussed some of the science behind that and why
Speaker 2: the fat soluble cannabinoids and all of that stuff they
Speaker 2: get released more efficiently when you add oil and heat
Speaker 2: to them, and that would make sense. I think we
Speaker 2: discussed a little bit of that in that segment, but
Speaker 2: maybe not fully.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Josie. I especially love the line someone
Speaker 3: who will remain me. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: And we've got one last message here from Hidalgo. This
Speaker 2: is a letter from home, if you will, but in
Speaker 2: the form of a voicemail. It comes right as graduation
Speaker 2: season is. It's upon us right now. There are people
Speaker 2: today as we're recording, they're graduating from various places, various
Speaker 2: levels of school, especially here in the US, like primary school,
Speaker 2: graduations are occurring and even high schools, So let's go
Speaker 2: to Hidalgo.
Speaker 6: Hey, you guys can use this on the air if
Speaker 6: you'd like to, but this is Hidalgo. I'm calling to
Speaker 6: tell you, guys, thank you. My son is getting ready
Speaker 6: to graduate from high school. And over the last five
Speaker 6: six eight years, on our way to different sporting events
Speaker 6: for hockey and lacrosse and to other trips and stuff,
Speaker 6: we have listened to you guys quite a bit in
Speaker 6: the car while we're driving. And the other day him
Speaker 6: and I were talking and you were on the radio,
Speaker 6: and he goes, Man, I love listening to this show,
Speaker 6: especially the weekly Strange News, because he goes, it keeps
Speaker 6: me up the date on a lot of weird stuff
Speaker 6: that I can bring up in conversations in class and
Speaker 6: do a little bit of flex with. They're asking, Hey,
Speaker 6: what's going on in the world that you're concerned about,
Speaker 6: he goes, and I'm not just throwing out the normal
Speaker 6: political stuff because I've always got something a little weird
Speaker 6: in my back pocket. But he said that he's enjoyed
Speaker 6: listening to you over the years, and here recently he's
Speaker 6: gone back and has listened to the Student Loan Conspiracy
Speaker 6: podcast because we have been filling out a lot of
Speaker 6: that paperwork for his future and his journey off to college.
Speaker 6: But I'd like to thank you guys for at least
Speaker 6: entertaining us for the last decade or so. But thanks, guys,
Speaker 6: have a great guy.
Speaker 3: By thank you as I'll go and thank your son
Speaker 3: for us too, most importantly, congratulate him and wish him well. Matt,
Speaker 3: I saw this one too, And these kinds of kind
Speaker 3: words in email correspondence, we're even on the phone. They
Speaker 3: just make our evening. This is awesome and if we
Speaker 3: can help people in any capacity, uh, then we're here
Speaker 3: for it. We also want you to know a doalgo.
Speaker 3: Not to make us all feel I feel too old,
Speaker 3: but since uh the since Strange News Daily turned into
Speaker 3: Strange News on stuff they don't want you to know,
Speaker 3: the five year anniversary of our weekly Strange News segment
Speaker 3: is coming up. Did you know that, Matt? It's next month?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do that is amazing? Heck yeah, we're officially what twelve
Speaker 2: years in now to the whole thing and then for
Speaker 2: the show, and we got four years until we hit twenty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the for the actual stuff they don't want
Speaker 3: you to know. As an idea and then the podcast
Speaker 3: is a little bit younger. But yeah, man, let's see
Speaker 3: here's to uh, here's two further explorations and another thing
Speaker 3: a DOGO wanted to ask you about. There are we
Speaker 3: on the radio? Dude? Did we can make it to
Speaker 3: the radio?
Speaker 2: Sometimes we are? Sometimes you play it on the radio,
Speaker 2: but you know, theoretically if you're playing us through your car.
Speaker 4: So technical kind of like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, it all go. It sounds like an
Speaker 2: amazing father son situation you got going on there. That's
Speaker 2: a great thing to share because hopefully our show brings
Speaker 2: out some of the I don't know, the curiosity and y'all,
Speaker 2: and to speak directly to son of Hidalgo, uh, sir,
Speaker 2: as you're going out in your journeys in this world,
Speaker 2: try to keep that curiosity because I would say we
Speaker 2: have found that that is one of the primary driving
Speaker 2: forces that has led us to where we are now.
Speaker 2: So just keep that curiosity, that interest in the strange
Speaker 2: stuff because again, as we found, the strange stuff is
Speaker 2: where progress occurs, where the science, you know, where the
Speaker 2: science meets the strange is where the good stuff is.
Speaker 3: And for a personal message for me, if I may
Speaker 3: call you hilldal go v Two point oh that I
Speaker 3: would say we always use this line because it is
Speaker 3: a fundamental piece of everything we do in these strange endeavors,
Speaker 3: or at least the weird projects I find myself with.
Speaker 3: It's the axiom we were taught long long ago the
Speaker 3: world is both understandable and worth understanding. And I love
Speaker 3: that point about curiosity because it is the prime differentiator
Speaker 3: between people we call good and people we call great.
Speaker 3: And yes, curiosity may have a diminishing return after a
Speaker 3: certain point, but like the old riddle or the old
Speaker 3: saying about the cat, you never know unless you try
Speaker 3: to be curious. And that is also the defining trade
Speaker 3: of all great science and all great inquiry. So congratulations
Speaker 3: to yourself and again, safe travels in your life as
Speaker 3: you move into one of the most exciting phases for
Speaker 3: in a human life. Congratulations as well, as we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 3: to all the kids who are working through the college
Speaker 3: application process.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and do hey.
Speaker 2: For another little strange news thing to check out if
Speaker 2: you haven't seen it yet, search Wired and then Schrodinger's
Speaker 2: Cat Paradox. You'll find a new article about some really
Speaker 2: cool stuff going on with the research team in China
Speaker 2: and Quantum Superposition. Check it out, Son of Hidalgo and
Speaker 2: Hoodalgo Father. Okay, that's it for this segment. We will
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Speaker 3: And we've returned to the final act of our weekly
Speaker 3: listener mail segment. We're going to go through a couple
Speaker 3: very quickly here, one being full disclosure, folks, a teaser
Speaker 3: for an episode that I think will be pretty fascinating
Speaker 3: Matt and I'll see if you agree as we continue. So, first,
Speaker 3: we're going to go to our returning aviator friend. We
Speaker 3: love having experts in the field. Fatigue them flying. Fatigued
Speaker 3: and Flying follows up on a conversation we had either
Speaker 3: in an episode or may I think was strange news
Speaker 3: about the recent terrifying failures in aviation here in the
Speaker 3: United States. Here's what you said, Fatigued and Flying. Hello, all,
Speaker 3: I'm sure I won't be the only one to email
Speaker 3: about this, but anyway, the article I have linked here,
Speaker 3: which we'll refer to in a second, is mostly comprehensive,
Speaker 3: but it is missing a few key points about ATC
Speaker 3: shortage air traffic control shortages. This is says, Fatigued and
Speaker 3: Flying indicative of the general breakdown of US infrastructure we've
Speaker 3: seen in other areas. We need a reasonable overhaul schedule,
Speaker 3: which we do have. The previous administration has been complying
Speaker 3: with the schedule laid out in next Gen, and here,
Speaker 3: Fatigued and Flying, you have provided a great link to
Speaker 3: the FAA dot gov forward slash next Gen that's shorthand
Speaker 3: for next Generation Air transp Rotation System, a large scale
Speaker 3: FAA initiative to modernize the US National Airspace System or NAS,
Speaker 3: which is where the rapper gets his name from. Nice yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean listen to the lyrics, folks. So Fatigue and
Speaker 3: Flying continues and says, let's start by saying the current
Speaker 3: dot secretary is full of it. Their plan to rush
Speaker 3: the schedule is shortsighted. Honestly, there's nothing there that wasn't
Speaker 3: already being implemented. If anything, they're just trying to get
Speaker 3: to those goals in an unrealistic timeframe. NEWERK needs specific
Speaker 3: focus right now, and I'm going to paraphrase some of
Speaker 3: this for time of Fatigue and Flying. You note that
Speaker 3: the next Gen schedule from the FAA is reasonable and
Speaker 3: it's a schedule of some very important and pretty complicated,
Speaker 3: time intensive things, an overhaul of a multi faceted flight
Speaker 3: scheduling regime.
Speaker 4: You say.
Speaker 3: Communications are a key part of this, but there are
Speaker 3: growing when you can't just pull a system offline, so
Speaker 3: you have to do this while planes are still flying.
Speaker 3: You have to fix the car while it is driving
Speaker 3: on the road. Right for another transit analogy, and this
Speaker 3: leads fatigued and flying to name a couple of other
Speaker 3: issues that people might not be aware of when you
Speaker 3: hear the news unless you're in aviation. You say, along
Speaker 3: with the technological issues, there there's also staffing. The average
Speaker 3: controller air traffic controller takes up to two years or
Speaker 3: longer to get online to become a working ATC from
Speaker 3: their date of hire. That's very understandable because by the
Speaker 3: end they need to know every part of the sector
Speaker 3: they work in, and this builds in lag time to
Speaker 3: the entire situation. And then there's a really interesting point, Matt.
Speaker 3: Then you are medically retired at fifty six, but the
Speaker 3: FAA has built a guard to this by requiring you
Speaker 3: be under the age of thirty one at the time
Speaker 3: of hiring. So, unfortunately to all our human conspiracy realists
Speaker 3: over the age of thirty one. It's going to be
Speaker 3: tough for you to become an air traffic controller. And then,
Speaker 3: on top of this, says Fatigued andm Flying, you have
Speaker 3: the actual ATC texts required to repair and upgrade all
Speaker 3: these systems, and they are woefully understaffed. Fatigued Tom Flying,
Speaker 3: you gave us permission to share this, so we'll say,
Speaker 3: we'll disclose that you had a navigational aid in your
Speaker 3: area destroyed by a tornado and just got alerted that
Speaker 3: instead of being repaired, it was entirely removed from the
Speaker 3: national system. And then Fatigued im flying. I love the way,
Speaker 3: right man, he says, I fly airplanes for a living.
Speaker 3: I don't write stuff, so please excuse the Bramplet ten
Speaker 3: ten no notes, you're nailing it. My point here, you say,
Speaker 3: is there is absolutely a schedule, There is a path forward.
Speaker 3: Maybe just avoid Newark for the near future. It's having
Speaker 3: a rough time. Other controllers are reminding their members there
Speaker 3: to focus on mental health and if that requires calling
Speaker 3: in sick or fatigued. ATC zero is a term I'm
Speaker 3: sure we've all heard by now. And frankly, if the
Speaker 3: airlines just canceled stuff, there will be no degradation of safety.
Speaker 3: It's much more unsafe to have an understaffed control facility
Speaker 3: over just no one showing up. It doesn't help that
Speaker 3: their own union leaders are less than helpful. The FAA
Speaker 3: needs to up incentives and support to get more folks in.
Speaker 3: Privatization is not the answer here for many reasons. All
Speaker 3: in all, it's a rough time in New York right now,
Speaker 3: but there is and has been a plan Before we
Speaker 3: go to that CNN article. Matt any initial reactions.
Speaker 2: I got a little distracted there by the sign off
Speaker 2: that he used, So I'll jump to that when we
Speaker 2: get there.
Speaker 3: Copy Okay. In that case, we are going to continue
Speaker 3: to the CNN article you have linked, Fatigued and Flying.
Speaker 3: You sent a excellent article by Pete Muntian and Alexandra
Speaker 3: scores Dot secretary blames Biden administration for air traffic control
Speaker 3: failures as Newark experiences more delay. And this is a
Speaker 3: direct statement from Sean Duffy that we mentioned in our
Speaker 3: previous Weekly Strange News segment. Duffy does say, speaking to
Speaker 3: reporters on May twelfth, twenty twenty five, the following quote,
Speaker 3: I think it's clear that the blame belongs with the
Speaker 3: last administration. Pete Buddha, Jedge and Joe Biden did nothing
Speaker 3: to fix the system that they knew was broken. Duffy
Speaker 3: says that a Buddha judge advisor, in particular Chris Mager quote,
Speaker 3: needs to spend more time doing what the American people
Speaker 3: are paying him to do fix problems, and less time
Speaker 3: blaming others, which just logically is a little bit tricky
Speaker 3: because in that statement Duffy is blaming others, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So it's it's a bit of it's
Speaker 3: a bit of a pickle, and it's something we see,
Speaker 3: you know, with a lot of presidential administrations. If you're
Speaker 3: in hot water, blame the other guy, right, and then
Speaker 3: if the other guy happened to do something that benefits
Speaker 3: your current administration, take credit for that. This is I
Speaker 3: don't know, this is crazy because the biggest point is
Speaker 3: that the plan that the FAA has isn't being as
Speaker 3: widely reported. It doesn't make as much news as the
Speaker 3: various terribly inconvenient and at times extremely dangerous mishaps that
Speaker 3: cuts some power and so on. We do know that
Speaker 3: the US is reliant upon air transit and aviation. It's
Speaker 3: a huge industry. It employs a lot of people, and
Speaker 3: it affects the economy in ways that are very difficult
Speaker 3: to parse. With this, I don't know. I don't want
Speaker 3: to sound too cynical here Fatigued and flying, but I
Speaker 3: feel like you have. You have nailed some of the
Speaker 3: issues so accurately in a way that makes me think
Speaker 3: a lot of them are not going to be fixed
Speaker 3: immediately until they have a further impact either on the
Speaker 3: larger public or to the point I made earlier when
Speaker 3: we talked about this on the people in power, right
Speaker 3: when the private airfields and private planes start having more
Speaker 3: and more issues than we might see more of an
Speaker 3: impetus to action. Matt. The sign off you mentioned that
Speaker 3: you said distracted you is it reminds me of the
Speaker 3: old thing my biker friends used to say, which is
Speaker 3: keep the shiny side up sign off fatigue and flying,
Speaker 3: and that I think it's safe for us to reveal
Speaker 3: that our good pal brother Andrew treyfors Howard is himself
Speaker 3: a biker. And Andrew, if you're hearing this, keep the
Speaker 3: shiny side up as well. Also great advice for planes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I didn't know it was a trucking thing too.
Speaker 2: Keep the shiny side up. I guess the part underneath
Speaker 2: the truck is not that shiny. You don't want it,
Speaker 2: you know, flipped over on the other side. But with planes,
Speaker 2: I didn't understand. I've never thought of it in that way. Specifically,
Speaker 2: it's advice basically for a pilot too, don't do anything
Speaker 2: in between leveling off your plane. And maybe I'm wrong there.
Speaker 2: You'll have to let us know fatigued and flying if
Speaker 2: that's what it means. Just the idea of if you're
Speaker 2: in a climb, don't do a bunch of other stuff
Speaker 2: before you level off the plane. Then do that kind
Speaker 2: of you know, the needful other things that you have
Speaker 2: to do inside the cockpit, all the navigation stuff, all
Speaker 2: the you know, connecting up with other people and communicating
Speaker 2: go ahead, level that plane off, then do that stuff.
Speaker 2: Keep the shiny side up.
Speaker 3: Always fantastic advice.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: From there, we're going to oh yeah, we'll include it.
Speaker 3: I know we're running along, but I want to include
Speaker 3: this message from Frosty Cold. I think it could inspire
Speaker 3: again a fascinating episode either here on Ridiculous History. I'd
Speaker 3: love your thoughts, Matt, Frosty Cold one number one. You
Speaker 3: write to us and you say hello, stuff. They don't
Speaker 3: want you to know. They call me Frosty Cold one.
Speaker 3: Well you know what we will too. You continue. I
Speaker 3: was wondering if you could look into what happened to
Speaker 3: the missing Faberge eggs. Of the original sixty nine eggs
Speaker 3: created by the House of Faberge Czarist Russia, six of
Speaker 3: the imperial eggs are still lost. These eggs, as well
Speaker 3: as the jewelry surprises that were made with them, would
Speaker 3: be worth an absolute fortune today, but I can't find
Speaker 3: much information on them. Can you help? Thanks again, love
Speaker 3: the show, Frosty Cold One. Well, we could introduce all
Speaker 3: of our fellow conspiracy realists to the concept and then
Speaker 3: hopefully we can do an episode on this. Because Matt,
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, I don't know about Andrew,
Speaker 3: but I always found just the concept of Faberge eggs
Speaker 3: so freaking weird. It's so weird.
Speaker 2: Well, it's such a common trope in films just to
Speaker 2: use the term Faberge eggs, or even a Faberge egg
Speaker 2: that you're not even really sure what it is. It
Speaker 2: looks like a jewel encrusted egg What is that? But
Speaker 2: it's huge? Why isn't there? Why is it important? I
Speaker 2: knew nothing of the history until we got this communication
Speaker 2: and went down a bit of a rabbit hole about
Speaker 2: how they're created, when they were created, why they were created,
Speaker 2: and then how many are still missing?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Right? And my go to pop culture reference for this
Speaker 3: is always going to be Crusty, the clown in The
Speaker 3: Simpsons when he talks about his debilitating addiction to Faberge
Speaker 3: eggs which ruined his, you know, the financial side of
Speaker 3: his career. Faber Ja eggs are bejeweled encrusted eggs. They
Speaker 3: were first made in Saint Petersburg, Russia. We know, you know,
Speaker 3: Frosty Gold. You nailed it, Frosti Gold. One sixty nine
Speaker 3: were made, as many as we know of, right, and
Speaker 3: from there spraying countless imitations, right or reproductions. But the
Speaker 3: ones that were originally made, sixty one of those are
Speaker 3: still known to have survived. So the other eight are
Speaker 3: lost or destroyed. And usually when something of this opulence
Speaker 3: or this value is considered lost or destroyed, there's a high,
Speaker 3: I want to be fair, there's a non zero likelihood
Speaker 3: that they're in a very wealthy person's private collection, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, there's somewhere in like a Chik's compound.
Speaker 3: There's a Russian oligarch who's like, this is my egg.
Speaker 2: Well, in twenty twenty two, they found one of these
Speaker 2: things on a Russian oligarch's super yacht, a three hundred
Speaker 2: million dollar yacht. They found one these things hidden.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, this is This means that there is an
Speaker 3: active search for these eggs. I think it would make
Speaker 3: a good episode, Matt. I'd love to do this when
Speaker 3: together because to me, the I'll spare it the personal anecdotes.
Speaker 3: But historically, always my immedia question, and I hope a
Speaker 3: lot of other folks in media question has always been this,
Speaker 3: why would you make Why? Why would you make this? What?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 3: What is the point? It is not functional? You know,
Speaker 3: it's not a real egg. Really, if you open these
Speaker 3: eggs you see cool stuff inside. A descendant of it
Speaker 3: would be the Kinderreg candy or the Kinderreg you know,
Speaker 3: the chocolate egg shape things with the cool little toys inside.
Speaker 3: Did you ever have kinder eggs?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think that there's another company that also
Speaker 2: makes them like that but there's the one I think about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this. So I'm just bringing this in because
Speaker 3: we want to hear from you at conspiracyiheartradio dot com
Speaker 3: if you would like a show on Faberge eggs and
Speaker 3: the mystery technically the conspiracy to hide them. Also, please
Speaker 3: please please tell us why. I don't want to be
Speaker 3: like Dunking on creativity. You know, I applaud all artistry
Speaker 3: as long as it doesn't harm other people. But out
Speaker 3: of all the things you make, we got to find
Speaker 3: the origin story in our episode as to that inspirational
Speaker 3: moment where you're a goldsmith and you're making these gifts
Speaker 3: and then you have that you have that what was
Speaker 3: your light bulb or broken egg moment where you were like,
Speaker 3: I need to make a fancy egg. I need to
Speaker 3: make the fanciest egg. And someone's like Benedict and you go, no.
Speaker 2: Gold, Yeah, all kinds of different precious metals and gems
Speaker 2: and jewels. Well, I think it's all about the surprise.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 2: You're right, Like, I'm looking at a wiki of these
Speaker 2: right now, and there's one that had an automaton, an
Speaker 2: elephant automaton inside it, So like, really the egg is
Speaker 2: cool and everything, but if you can get it open,
Speaker 2: and if you're the person that owns it, you know
Speaker 2: what the surprise is. But then you get to show
Speaker 2: it off in your fancy ball room, your.
Speaker 3: Fancy balls room. So we've so we're gonna hopefully return
Speaker 3: to that. We'd love your thoughts, folks. One last thing,
Speaker 3: a letter from a home that is also fascinating. Maybe
Speaker 3: we can have a quick discussion about this to close
Speaker 3: things out. Our pal mister Stuff, they don't want you
Speaker 3: to sandwich. Good returning guest of the show wrote it
Speaker 3: and said, hello, Stuff, They don't want you to know
Speaker 3: you always mentioned this specifically to me, always mentioned you
Speaker 3: fell asleep putting on a pair of pants one time.
Speaker 3: I wanted to let you know that I too, feel
Speaker 3: like I achieved this level of accomplishment every time I
Speaker 3: listen to my Liked Songs playlist and wonder why all
Speaker 3: the songs on there are bangers. Keep on keeping on
Speaker 3: and have a sandwich, not a doctor, but I hear
Speaker 3: it can help. And this introduces us, Matt Andrew and
Speaker 3: fellow listeners to something called the hungry judge effect. This
Speaker 3: is the idea that in a court of law, a
Speaker 3: judge's verdicts are going to be more lenient after they've
Speaker 3: had a break for a snack or for lunch, and
Speaker 3: the idea that you're in a better mood, right, You're
Speaker 3: not you when you're hungry. Just like Snicker said.
Speaker 2: Well that's this human. I mean, have it. I got
Speaker 2: two nine year olds running around, and I'd say, we
Speaker 2: know very well in this house what hungary looks like,
Speaker 2: what it sounds like. I know how I get sometimes. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: if a judge is just a human with a fancy smock,
Speaker 2: what do they call as robes? A fancy robe and
Speaker 2: a lot of schooling and a lot of experience in
Speaker 2: wisdom and you know other things. But I can imagine
Speaker 2: how being a little hungry could affect the outcome or
Speaker 2: how someone else is judged. Dude, No, I've noticed that specifically.
Speaker 2: I just had a conversation about this, about how we've
Speaker 2: talked about how all the input that we intake as humans,
Speaker 2: no matter who you are, is affected by a lens.
Speaker 2: There's a lensing effect that the way you receive information
Speaker 2: can be altered and changed and how you perceive it
Speaker 2: depending on how you're feeling, or your past or all
Speaker 2: these other things. That kind of color your lens. It's
Speaker 2: the same with a judge. If they're hungry, something might
Speaker 2: seem a little more harsh to them, or a little
Speaker 2: more reckless, even anything, you know, anything that they're hearing
Speaker 2: about or receiving, or even evidence they're looking at.
Speaker 3: So and the original inspiration for the idea of the
Speaker 3: a hungry judge effect comes from this retroactive study of
Speaker 3: decisions made by Israeli parole boards back in twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: And this study you can find it online. The the
Speaker 3: title is Extraneous Factors in Judicial Decisions. And you know,
Speaker 3: it confirms something a lot of people have a spidery
Speaker 3: sense about. You know, if you have a job where
Speaker 3: you have to work with coworkers, which most people have
Speaker 3: a job where they have to work with coworkers, you're
Speaker 3: probably noticing some of the stuff that Sandwich and Matter
Speaker 3: describing there. This original study found that there was a
Speaker 3: natural slope to yes or no decisions for granting parole.
Speaker 3: It would start at about sixty five percent at the
Speaker 3: beginning of one of these parole board sessions, so kind
Speaker 3: of in the morning, right after people have had breakfast
Speaker 3: or what have you. More than half of these parole
Speaker 3: applications would be approved. But then right before it was
Speaker 3: time to break for lunch, especially considering people knew the
Speaker 3: break was coming, the granted a parole dropped out to
Speaker 3: nearly zero. So the authors of this study, and let's
Speaker 3: give their names, the author of the study, Shy Danziger,
Speaker 3: Jonathan levav and Leora av naan Peso. These three authors said,
Speaker 3: maybe they're increasingly favoring just the status quo. The easiest
Speaker 3: answer being no, it generates the least amount of paperwork. Right,
Speaker 3: Maybe they're going toward that because they are fatigued, they
Speaker 3: are mentally depleted from having to do all the other stuff,
Speaker 3: evaluate all the other cases leading up to lunch and
Speaker 3: rest and replenishment. Maybe a nice walk around the block
Speaker 3: or something that restored a willingness to make bold decisions.
Speaker 3: It reinvigorated you, right, and you're not as you're not
Speaker 3: as hesitant to do things that may make a little
Speaker 3: more work down the line or may raise more questions.
Speaker 3: This gets cited all the time. It has literally been
Speaker 3: cited in thousands of other works, and people are still
Speaker 3: arguing about it. Some folks are saying, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: we should start considering algorithms or some version of quote
Speaker 3: unquote AI to avoid the hungry judge effect. And no, granted,
Speaker 3: a lot of folks who are saying we should use
Speaker 3: AI as a result a hungry judge effect. Well, they're
Speaker 3: folks who run a AI companies, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They want to sell that stuff, so obviously they're going
Speaker 3: to make an argument in favor of their narrative. You
Speaker 3: can also see other studies regarding Ramadan and how people
Speaker 3: may or may not be kinder around that time. You
Speaker 3: might you know, this exists I think in the same
Speaker 3: rough sphere as the old folksy observation that people are
Speaker 3: a little bit nicer around Christmas. Obviously, the best real
Speaker 3: world study of that is Scrooged starring Bill Murray.
Speaker 2: Remember Scrooged, a real world version of that.
Speaker 3: Yet absolutely fantastic documentary. Be careful with that joke gets
Speaker 3: an antique. But you know, Matt, I recently red watch
Speaker 3: the ending monologue of Scrooge, which is always seen as
Speaker 3: this pivotal moment, but it's it's very much in line
Speaker 3: with a politician speech if you read it instead of
Speaker 3: just hearing it and feeling the contagious energy he's not
Speaker 3: saying that much. He said, you want a thing, and
Speaker 3: you could get a thing. You can have it. It
Speaker 3: could be yours, it's Christmas. And then he kisses somebody.
Speaker 3: He's like, that's great, and then Tidy Tim says something
Speaker 3: spoiler and and I don't know, man, I don't know
Speaker 3: if the I feel like the hungry Judge effect has
Speaker 3: to be real, but I don't know how far it goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it's absolutely real. It's just I
Speaker 2: have not seen Scrooged in a long time. I will
Speaker 2: watch that monologue as well. I'd love to I'd love
Speaker 2: to see that again.
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear your thoughts. And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: a I'm a fan of Scrooged. I'm a fan of
Speaker 3: that genre of creepy holiday film and fiction. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Before Christmas stem to stern Banger, no notes.
Speaker 3: I've tried to think of other creepy Christmas these crampis
Speaker 3: not that in that league, but still in that genre. Else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A jingle all the Way is mine very creepy.
Speaker 3: That's a good one. I guess The Grinch Stole Christmas
Speaker 3: is also creepy because it's got scary parts.
Speaker 2: Kids are terrified of that Grinch, that version of the Grinch,
Speaker 2: at least the one that Jim Carrey inhabited.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's a weird looking dude.
Speaker 3: And they never explain why he looks so different from
Speaker 3: the who's you know what I mean? Why is he
Speaker 3: like their yarn? Why is he there Bigfoot? Christmas hating Bigfoot? Oh,
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