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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, March twenty six. Happy Opening Day, Eve.

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Speaker 1: I'm Katie Wu.

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Speaker 2: Who's Bernie Weekless?

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Speaker 1: And we are ready for the twenty twenty five season

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Speaker 1: to officially begin.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cardinals territory, Bernie. How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Good to be with you relatively soon

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Speaker 3: after we did the last one. This is fun. I'm

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Speaker 3: glad a lot of people watched what we did the

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Speaker 3: other day, so that gives me even more inspiration. So

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Speaker 3: let's go. I can't wait for baseball to start me too.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday, the Cardinals sent out their official like opening

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Speaker 1: Day schedule, and it got me really amped up.

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Speaker 2: I just I love Opening Day.

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Speaker 1: I love the ceremony, especially in Saint Louis, and I

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Speaker 1: just love the symbolism of like a brand new season.

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Speaker 1: You truly have no idea where it's going to go,

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Speaker 1: especially with this organization, The Saint Louis Cardinals can go anyway.

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Speaker 2: Bernie, how are you feeling? How are you feeling going

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Speaker 2: into this?

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Speaker 3: You know, I got an open mind about everything. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if I mentioned this the other day. I

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Speaker 3: tracked the forecast and the projection models, and you know,

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Speaker 3: the people I really respect so I say the Cardinals range,

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Speaker 3: I've seen a range from seventy eight to eighty two.

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Speaker 3: That seems about right as kind of a starting point.

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Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't mean that it won't go below

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Speaker 3: that or above that, but that seems like it be

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Speaker 3: a good starting point range. A lot of things have

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Speaker 3: to go well for them. You look at their offense

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Speaker 3: and you know, just about every one of their hitters

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Speaker 3: has something in the recent past that shows that they

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Speaker 3: can be really, really good. And I talk about more

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Speaker 3: like the younger guys. So if you know, best case

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Speaker 3: scenario type thing, if a lot of their young hitters

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Speaker 3: or at least a cluster of their young hitters, exceed expectations,

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Speaker 3: the offense will get better. I think the ballman's going

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Speaker 3: to be pretty good. I would never I would never

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Speaker 3: like put it on them to be as good as

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Speaker 3: last year because that was ridiculous how great they were.

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Speaker 3: And you know, a lot of it's just going to

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Speaker 3: have to be sort of the push pull of this

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Speaker 3: season because it's still it's still very weird. Were still

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Speaker 3: not sure what they're their number one priority is this season,

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Speaker 3: like it, you know, balancing trying to win, trying to

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Speaker 3: win every game at the expense of maybe not using

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Speaker 3: young players or not right. We mentioned it the other day.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry for the long answer, not riding a long

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Speaker 3: time with Walker and Gorman if they're doing poorly. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to expect. I think it's going

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Speaker 3: to be an adventurous season. I really do.

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Speaker 2: I know it will be.

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Speaker 1: It always is, and I feel like every time I

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Speaker 1: go into a season with some sort of expectation, the

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Speaker 1: exact opposite happens. But I will say seventy six to

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Speaker 1: eighty two wins, whatever projections that you use, that seems

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Speaker 1: to be right for this Cardinals club. They seem to

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Speaker 1: be just under five hundred now. Whether or not that

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Speaker 1: will fly in baseball heaven, I don't think so. I

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Speaker 1: was doing my own season preview, which maybe out on

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Speaker 1: the athletic this morning.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know anything anymore.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question?

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Speaker 2: You know what's up?

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Speaker 3: Because you get a lot of you get your mail

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Speaker 3: bags at the athletic are terrific. Thank you? Do you

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Speaker 3: do you get a sense at all? I get some sense,

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Speaker 3: but I think you're more in tune with it that

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Speaker 3: a lot of Cardinals fans, while disappointed that there's been

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Speaker 3: a downturn, They could get behind a true like young

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Speaker 3: you know, play all the young guys, let all the

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Speaker 3: young guys pitch you. We could get behind that. The energy,

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Speaker 3: the enthusiasm red thing. So I wonder if the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: even realize that, you know, they'd actually they may have

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Speaker 3: do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I agree? I think Cardinals fans are very smart.

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Speaker 1: And if ownership and the front office went out and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: not going to be the type of baseball that you've

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Speaker 2: I think the span base would be totally fine with that.

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Speaker 2: And if you think that your young talent is good

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Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals fans would get behind it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think this city is not going to show

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Speaker 2: I know that they might have some sort of frustration.

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Speaker 1: Or discernment against the front office, but that will be,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, at least on the back burner if

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Speaker 3: And the other question I wonder is, and I know

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Speaker 3: we got to get to some things, so I'm not

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Speaker 3: like to ask you questions. You know, the Cardinals listen,

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Speaker 3: all due respect to Nolan Aernato, because seriously, he's he's

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Speaker 3: been a star for a long time, and I think

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Speaker 3: he'll be a Hall of Famer. But I was going

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Speaker 3: through something earlier today and it's just like stunning to

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Speaker 3: Cardinals have. I mean and dash all these years since

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Speaker 3: I've been writing columns and doing stuff about Cardinals baseball

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Speaker 3: since nineteen eighty nine, but even in nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 3: help and out, Rick Hammel, just Hall of Famers, MVPs,

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Speaker 3: Would it be Mason Winn? What do you think about

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Speaker 1: It's a great question and one that I've had conversations

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Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer by all means a star. But

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Speaker 1: To be provided that spring training campaign was just a

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Speaker 1: it's a boring roster. I mean, these are not names

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Speaker 1: that you're going to see on ESPN. The Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: But you know, the good teams are on ESPN and

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Speaker 2: Right, these are people else in the St. Louis. These

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe the Stars are going to be in the

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I's a screamer just with just me being like a.

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Speaker 3: Part of this scene for so long, for decades, it's

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Speaker 3: just so weird to see the place just devoid of

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Speaker 2: Know, especially outside of Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: I think they have one of the most unrecognizable rosters

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Speaker 1: Let's get to it because we found out some things.

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Speaker 1: This is our part two of our Cardinal Territory Opening

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Speaker 1: Day preview. If you miss the last episode Tuesday, we

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Speaker 1: had one out with Dan Hayes covers The Twins for

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Speaker 1: The Athletic previewed the Cardinals Twins series. This is the

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Speaker 1: more Cardinals centric episode, though we found out just how

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals will be lining up on Thursday behind manager

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Speaker 1: Alie Marmel. On Monday in Memphis, Marvel released his opening

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Speaker 1: give it a run. This is how the Cardinals will

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Speaker 1: And before I read it, Bernie, are we smart? Did

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Speaker 1: See, this is proof if you manifest things, they will

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Speaker 1: happen for you. So here's the starting nine with Cardinals

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Lars Newbar batting leadoff in left field. Wilson Contreres,

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Speaker 3: him some problems, it really did. They pounded his fastball

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Speaker 3: last season like really big numbers. It probably didn't help him. Also,

434
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Speaker 3: uh you know they they they didn't. They didn't have

435
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Speaker 3: to swing at some of his trickier pitches because they

436
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Speaker 3: just wait for the fastball and punish, punish it. So

437
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what to expect from

438
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Speaker 3: him Thursday, and that's probably not a good thing when

439
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Speaker 3: you're talking about your designated ace, your number one starter.

440
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Speaker 3: When you say, well, I don't I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what to expect from him, that's the spirit

442
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 2: that's not good right today.

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Speaker 3: It's not good.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

445
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Speaker 1: Also, I do not think Moe was lying about the illness.

446
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: I do think Sunny Gray is dealing with them stuff.

447
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not feeling well. There's been something going

448
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Speaker 1: around that clubhouse. Michael Sianni had it, Nolan Gorman had it.

449
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Speaker 1: They all miss games. So I do believe there's validity

450
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Speaker 1: in that. It's not why his vlo's down. Sonny Gray

451
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Speaker 1: has been in this league for what over a decade.

452
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Speaker 1: He's earned the benefit of the doubt. He's earned the trust.

453
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Speaker 1: But when a veteran pitcher comes up to reporters and

454
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Speaker 1: his candid and honest about no idea where his velo is,

455
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Speaker 1: that is a sign for concern. And it's not like

456
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Speaker 1: the Vila was like a minimal drop. I mean, he's

457
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Speaker 1: his best pitch, fastest pitch on his last start topped

458
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Speaker 1: out at ninety one seven. That's not the sunny gray

459
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Speaker 1: that I think the baseball world knows and is used to.

460
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Speaker 1: I will say this, I do like what he said

461
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Speaker 1: about learning to pitch different. There's something to be said

462
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Speaker 1: about him going out there on that last start to

463
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Speaker 1: not go through the second inning and he was just

464
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Speaker 1: getting tagged. I think he gave up four and runs

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Speaker 1: in that second inning before Daniel descalso removed him from

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Speaker 1: the game. But then he came back and he threw

467
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Speaker 1: thirty seven pitches over the next three innings, gave up

468
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Speaker 1: one ear and run, did not use the fastball very

469
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Speaker 1: much and became a pitch maker and used a different

470
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Speaker 1: way to utilize the sweeper and the rest of the

471
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Speaker 1: off speeds, mixing some curve balls every.

472
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Speaker 2: Now and then to get out. Is that what we

473
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Speaker 2: see on Thursday?

474
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Speaker 1: We might and I think Sonny Gray is talented enough

475
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Speaker 1: and experience enough to get away with that, at least

476
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Speaker 1: for a couple times, until ideally his bilo comes back.

477
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Speaker 3: But I hate to always invoke the name of a

478
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Speaker 3: former cardinal, you know, because there are other ways to

479
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Speaker 3: look at things. But I really think there is a

480
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Speaker 3: parallel here. Listen in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two,

481
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Speaker 3: Adam Wainwright, Well, actually, no, I got my years wrong.

482
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Speaker 3: Let me back up in twenty twenty one. I'll we'll

483
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Speaker 3: just go with that. Twenty one and twenty two Adam Wainwright,

484
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Speaker 3: his fastball just kept dropping miles per hour. His fastball

485
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Speaker 3: was no longer potent. His fastball was kind of hittable.

486
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Speaker 3: But he was so resourceful. He's like a wizard, you know,

487
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Speaker 3: and he had these bag of tricks, and he could

488
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Speaker 3: fool hitters and change his armslot do all these different things.

489
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Speaker 3: And it was just guile and resourcefulness and he was

490
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Speaker 3: able to finesse his way through a loss of velocity.

491
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Speaker 3: And I think Sonny Grace got that capability too. I mean,

492
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Speaker 3: he's got a wide array of pitches, and the sweepers

493
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Speaker 3: wasn't quite as effective last year as it was in

494
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. But his sweeper's still really good. He's

495
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Speaker 3: got a bag of tricks the way the aging Wayno

496
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Speaker 3: had a bag of tricks in twenty one and twenty two,

497
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Speaker 3: and then the bag of tricks ran out in twenty

498
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Speaker 3: twenty three. But Gray's not there yet. I don't think No.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I'll extend on the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 2: I think he'll be able to get out of it.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly frustrating as an ace of the staff when

502
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Speaker 1: your veila is not where it is.

503
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Speaker 2: He said as much. Do I think that maybe?

504
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Speaker 1: I don't think Sunny Gray is the type of guy

505
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Speaker 1: that's going to go out there and be like it's opening,

506
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Speaker 1: damn fired up, you know.

507
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Speaker 2: He's the type of guy that's like, yeah, let's go,

508
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Speaker 2: this is my job.

509
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Speaker 1: But I do wonder if pitching in a major league

510
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Speaker 1: game and having that kind of adrenaline will help the

511
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Speaker 1: bilo tick up a little bit. But I think the

512
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Speaker 1: aim of the game for Sonny is just keeping the

513
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Speaker 1: ball in the ballpark. The homers plagued him a lot

514
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Speaker 1: in the second half after he gave up just eight

515
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Speaker 1: home runs in twenty twenty three. He also gave up

516
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Speaker 1: eight and spring training, So that's good.

517
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Speaker 3: You know what I liked there They went back to

518
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 3: the old uniforms because I watched Cardinals games last year.

519
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 3: There's those chintzy uniforms were so gross. And Sonny Gray

520
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 3: more than any player, even more than say Lance Lynn

521
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Speaker 3: because you would expect, hey, lance Linn, big guy sweating.

522
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Speaker 3: Sonny Gray was like dripping from the first pitch until

523
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Speaker 3: he left the game, and like he's in the dugout

524
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Speaker 3: and it's like things are things are pouring off of him,

525
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Speaker 3: and it looked like his uniform like came out of

526
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Speaker 3: the washing machine. I mean just like wow, you know,

527
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Speaker 3: it's like it's just it was like I was almost

528
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Speaker 3: like a concern for him because the uniform, those cheap

529
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: uniforms make it made him look like he was like

530
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Speaker 3: a drenched, drowning man, you know, overwhelmed or something. So

531
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Speaker 3: he's kind of funny. I like his mannerisms when he pitches.

532
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Speaker 2: I do.

533
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Speaker 3: But he'll have like real good uniforms now this year,

534
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Speaker 3: Like he'll look real good.

535
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Speaker 2: Out major league uniforms. That's love.

536
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Speaker 1: He would have to set aside like four five uniforms

537
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Speaker 1: from one sunny grade pitch, not just because he was

538
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: sweat through them. But also I will never forget this.

539
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Speaker 1: This is one of the first conversations I have with him.

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Speaker 1: If he's not like in the way he's pitching as

541
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Speaker 1: we know, Bernie, let's say, is a bad inning, things

542
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Speaker 1: aren't feeling right, he will go in that clubhouse and

543
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: his words, strip down naked and just stand there and

544
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Speaker 1: put a new uniform on, change everything up and come

545
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Speaker 1: back out. He had that conversation We've on live TV,

546
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Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, that sounds like something

547
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Speaker 1: a pitt would do. Yeah, you know what, Let's thank

548
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Speaker 1: the clubbies in Saint Louis. They have to do a

549
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of things that we do not see, but they

550
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Speaker 1: are the true heroes.

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Speaker 2: Of it all.

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Speaker 2: All right, Bernie, let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: When we started the season the spring training, if you will,

575
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Speaker 1: one of the things that we heard all off season

576
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Speaker 1: was that three players, Nolan Gorman, Jordan Walker and Lars

577
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: newbarber're going to see extensive playing time. I believe John

578
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Speaker 1: Mozelac himself said that he was looking and hoping for

579
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Speaker 1: Gorman to see around six hundred bats, and when Allie

580
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: Marmel finalized that roster on Sunday, one of the first

581
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: things he acknowledged, to his credit was it might not

582
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: longer be feasible to get Gorman six hundred of bats

583
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Speaker 1: for fifty.

584
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they still think they can do that, but by

585
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: keeping Victor Scott on the roster who earned it. We

586
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: talked about it.

587
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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen our episode on Sunday, go check

588
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Speaker 1: it out. It's gonna cut into playing time, and what

589
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Speaker 1: we've seen is Gorman on the bench to start the year.

590
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Speaker 1: Do I think he's gonna be on the bench every

591
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Speaker 1: single game?

592
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Speaker 3: No, I do not.

593
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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna vary between Burleson and Gorman to start.

594
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: Donovan's gonna have to sit every now and then, but

595
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Speaker 1: he's more or less a mainstay in that lineup. But

596
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the whole premise of this season was

597
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Speaker 1: to evaluate what you had in young players like Nolan

598
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Speaker 1: Gorman and Jordan Walker, can the Cardinals still do that

599
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: with this roster configurated? And how do you expect Olie

600
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Speaker 1: Marmel to work Nolan Gorman into this mix?

601
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Speaker 2: More consistently.

602
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Speaker 3: I you know, I was, I was in the camp

603
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Speaker 3: and I think I said this Sunday when we did

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Speaker 3: a Cardinal Territory that the one guy that we would

605
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Speaker 3: get squeezed in this scenario, you know, Burleson wouldn't get

606
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: as many at bets. Well, there show there that shows

607
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 3: you how knowledgeable I am on the situation. No, it

608
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: looks like Burlson now clearly has priority status over Gorman,

609
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: like the decision on a lot of days with with

610
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: you know, Donovan's not going to be a left field

611
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: a lot, so the days when he's playing second base,

612
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: it really comes down against right handed pitching. It really

613
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Speaker 3: comes down. It's like you either choose Burlason or you

614
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: choose Gorman as your DH, unless Burley's playing first base

615
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Speaker 3: that day, and maybe Gorman will start at third here

616
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 3: and there. I don't know. So it's but a lot

617
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 3: of days it's going to be Burleson or Gorman. Well,

618
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: Olie tipped his hand obviously with his opening day lineup,

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Speaker 3: and I can understand it because gorman swing is really

620
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: messed up. I mean, does do a little intel work

621
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Speaker 3: on that, and he's he's kind of in between. You know,

622
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: you know Brent Brown's been helpful, but I think in

623
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Speaker 3: the off season he was working on some other things.

624
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Speaker 3: I don't know. He's kind of in that caught in between,

625
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Speaker 3: you know, the approach might not, might not, might not

626
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: be part of me, might not be totally synchronized, I

627
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: don't know, confidence whatever. So in that context, I think

628
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Speaker 3: I think it makes a lot of sense to go

629
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Speaker 3: with Burlison, even though I'm a Gorman guy. Well I'm

630
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Speaker 3: a Burleson guy too, like him. Burlason had a really

631
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 3: terrific year last year against right handed pitchers, I mean,

632
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: really good numbers. Gorman did not. So But to your point, yeah,

633
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: I don't see. I don't see Gorman. They're not gonna

634
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: bury him on the bench. She's not gonna be like

635
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: you know, Luke and Baker, the right the left handed

636
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: version of Luke and Baker where Pinch hit her first

637
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: base off, you know, on occasion or something. I don't

638
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: I don't see he John Moza, like, I don't see

639
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: how Gorman gets to five hundred and fifty plate appearances

640
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: or five hundred and seventy five plate appearances. But he'll

641
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: play a lot and then it's up to him to change,

642
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: Burlison has priority status. Now if it's between the two,

643
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: Gorman will be able to play enough to change that,

644
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Speaker 3: and maybe he'll be he'll get priority. Stated, I don't know,

645
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: as always log jams, jigsaw, puzzles, Ruby's cube, it's you know,

646
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Speaker 3: welcome to Cardinals Baseball. I don't you know, it's always

647
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Speaker 3: it's always something right.

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Speaker 2: It just it could be so simple, but then it

649
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't be the team that we cover. So I agree

650
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: with you.

651
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I think bur Listener earned the opportunity based on spring.

652
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: And let's not like talk about Burlson like he's not

653
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: some like borderline.

654
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: I mean he was one of their.

655
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Speaker 1: Five picks in twenty twenty, so yeah, of course he

656
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: had a great spring. Nolan Gorman did not. To your point, bur.

657
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: Listener earned the opportunity to play every day, or play

658
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Speaker 2: at least on opening Day. Do I think that they

659
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: that they can mix it up? Yes?

660
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: Do I think it's going to be very challenging for

661
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Alie marmal, Yes, because there's I saw a tweet. I

662
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: wish I could remember it verbatim, but I did laugh.

663
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: Very rarely does a tweet make me laugh, Because if

664
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: you guys are so mean, but it was essentially like, hey, Ollie,

665
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: here's a lineup in which you need to play all

666
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: these all these players get six hundred bats for every

667
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: single one win ball games and also make sure that

668
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: like a your bosses are happy, go have fun.

669
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Speaker 2: And that's really challenging for the manager. So I don't

670
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: know how he's going to do it. I think no

671
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: matter where you dice this up, someone is on the

672
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: bench that probably shouldn't be whether that's a new bar

673
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: because on days that Burlison and Gorman are in the

674
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: lineup and Donovan's and left bur listen or not listen

675
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: new bars on the bench. It's confusing just to keep

676
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: track of. I can't even do it. And then there's

677
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: the flip side with Jordan Walker. And this is a

678
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: question I have. I'm not saying the Cardinals are going.

679
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: To do this, but logically speaking, if Michael Sianni, who

680
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: I like Michael Sianni, and I've said this before, there

681
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: is value as the fourth outfielder defensive replacement. Any postseason

682
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: club has that on their roster. I don't know if

683
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: the Cardinals necessarily fit the definition of a post season

684
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: club at the moment. I don't know, I don't believe

685
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: there was room for two of them. I'm not quite

686
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: sure why they took both Scott and Sianni. But if

687
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Speaker 1: Michael Sianni's on your roster, definitely not to serve as

688
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: a left handed pinch hitter, but to serve as that

689
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: defensive replacement. Who is he replacing in Lake games, Bernie?

690
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: He's replacing Jordan Walker? And what good does it do

691
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: for Jordan Walker to know he's gonna get Okay, you're

692
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: gonna get two or three at bats in the early

693
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: innings of the game, But when the game is on

694
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: the line, buddy, you are out to see it.

695
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: We don't exactly that.

696
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: We don't want you in the in the on the field,

697
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: we don't want it. We don't trust you, is what

698
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: they're saying there. How is that good for his long

699
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: term development?

700
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: It's not.

701
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: It's exactly you. You absolutely nailed that. And and you

702
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: know you could almost I could you could almost start.

703
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: You guys could start like a pool in the press

704
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: box where it's like, okay, all right, what inning tonight

705
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: does Ali put I.

706
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Like my little press box games? Nobody else does?

707
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, do you know, pull it out? Pull it

708
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: out of a hat. You know, it's like what you know, Okay,

709
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: pull it out of the hat. Oh you got the

710
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: fifth inning? Well, yeah, he might bring him in the

711
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: fifth inning if they have a two run lead, you know,

712
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: something like that, you know, and then yeah, you know,

713
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: I always think about it in extremes. But what if

714
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: it does get like extreme to where they have a

715
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: one run lead and it's the fifth inning and all

716
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: of a sudden you see Siani trotting out the right field.

717
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: I mean, is there going to be any limit to this?

718
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: Because we we know and I kind of tease more

719
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: mol about this because I'm with you, Ciani does have

720
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: attributes that can help a team, there's no doubt, agreed.

721
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: But if he's if he's pulling Gorman out of games,

722
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: like in the middle innings, if they have a one

723
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: or two run lead, maybe fifth or sixth inning, Yeah,

724
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: how you know, And you're telling him now we think

725
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: we you know, we can't trust you, like you just said,

726
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: we don't trust you in the last three innings of

727
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: a game we have a lead, and you know, by

728
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: the way, I don't know if we trust you with

729
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: the plate either, So I mean it's like, wow, I mean,

730
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: this could be a this could be just one of

731
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: those years where it's just a lot of craziness going on.

732
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: I just hope it doesn't bring in shades of twenty

733
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: and twenty three.

734
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: I will say, though, Ernie, I was very strategic in

735
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: my travel schedule to start the year. I'm on every

736
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: single road trip except for one in the first six weeks.

737
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: Because in twenty twenty three there was a ten game

738
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: swing Seattle, San Francisco, LA And that was at the

739
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: end of April and it defined the sea in So

740
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm not prepping for worst case scenario. I'm not prepping

741
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty three. I think it's going to be

742
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: better than that. But some of the messaging and some

743
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: of the questions that we have with the roster in

744
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: terms of playing time, consistency, roles, it kind of reminds

745
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: me of that, and maybe not to that extent, but

746
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: it is something to keep in mind.

747
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: But hey, what do we know.

748
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: We'll see in the next three days what this could

749
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: look like when the Cardinals take on the Twins at

750
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: Bush Stadium.

751
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Before we go, I have to ask you this question.

752
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: We talked about press box games. I try a lot,

753
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: I play a lot of them.

754
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to work on not talking as much during games,

755
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: but I just have so much to say, and I

756
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: personally think I'm very funny. So when I think of

757
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: a joke, por Daniel Guerrero next to me has to

758
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 1: hear it, whether he wants to or not. But one

759
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: of the things that I do before the first game

760
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: of the season is we take a poll for the

761
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: first Cardinal you think will hit a home run.

762
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: Of the season. Who is your pick?

763
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: Contraras?

764
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. I like that.

765
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: I was between him and Arnatto said, because you took Contraras,

766
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: I'll take Nolan, who was the player from the Dodgers

767
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: that they wanted to trade so badly and they couldn't,

768
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: and he like begrudgingly came back.

769
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: Not like Nolan begrudgingly came back. Nolan's actually do a

770
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: very nice job this spring of handling that.

771
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: But then he Homer and his first plate appearance and

772
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: everyone went crazy and it was great.

773
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name, but that happened.

774
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: Well, you got the Pablo Lopez factor too. He was

775
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: the guy that ended Wilson Contreras season in Minneapolis last year, right,

776
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: And so revenge. I love this Canterra's is what's first

777
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: of all, this guy, I hope Cardinals fans give him

778
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: a great, great ovation. He wants to stay here. He

779
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: loves being a Cardinal, he wants to be a leader.

780
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: He's tough, he's competitive. He I mean, he tell this guy,

781
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: you appreciate the fact that he wanted to stay here.

782
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: That's number one. But anyway, the way his mind works, yeah,

783
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: it's not that he hates Pablo Lopez, but it's like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah,

784
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: I remember that. Okay, I remember that. Okay, come on in,

785
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: come on inside.

786
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, you're spot on and that was right.

787
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: So but I hope he has a great season. I

788
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: really do.

789
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: I hope so too. So we'll lock in you for contrarasts.

790
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: I have Aron Otto.

791
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: It's probably going to be Victor Scott. That's probably what's

792
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: going to happen. But no, I'm so ready for real baseball.

793
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: What I think gets me not to be sentimental. But

794
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: towards the end of the twenty twenty four season, when

795
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: it was clear the Cardinals weren't going to make the postseason,

796
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: I shifted.

797
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: To you know, the downfall, if you will, of player development.

798
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: And really the month of September, I didn't really I

799
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: was at the games, but I wasn't watching them from

800
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: a critical analysis point of view, and I've really missed

801
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: doing that. I certainly was not doing that during spring training.

802
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, any of you who are credit to you.

803
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: But I am so excited to sit down seat seventeen

804
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: at Bush Stadium and have my little scorebook, fill it out,

805
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: watch a ball game and analyze it and share it

806
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: with you know, people on the athletic our friends here

807
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: at Cardinal Territory. I love baseball season, and I'm super

808
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: excited for what this could bring because you just never know.

809
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty two games is a very long time. Bernie,

810
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: I have no idea what we're in store for, but

811
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I know it's going to be fun regardless.

812
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: No, I agree, there's a lot of things that can

813
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: happen and it could be a really wild ride. And

814
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: even if the team's five hundred is it can still

815
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: be an entertaining season because there's going to be always

816
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: something happening, always something we're trying to figure out, always

817
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 3: something like what's he going to? What's he doing?

818
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 5: Now?

819
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 3: You know, you know it's going to be a lot

820
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: of that this year, and that makes for good conversation.

821
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: And that includes fans too. I'm not talking about a

822
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: media standpoint, ohsil Be, fans will be. You know, we

823
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: all love the second guest managers and all that stuff.

824
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 3: Fans will have a festival of just like analyzing every

825
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: move and well, who's in, who's out, who's who's got

826
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: priority status? Now, oh what what did he do? He's

827
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: not playing as much, and Ali's going to be trying

828
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: to juggle this this torn between trying to win every

829
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: game but also trying to maybe build that bridge for

830
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: twenty six. Andybe, He's not even going to make it

831
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: across the bridge to twenty six, I mean just hypothetically.

832
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: So oh no, there's so much like.

833
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: I That's where I feel. I don't even know where

834
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: to start. Overwhelmed, but in the best way. I will

835
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: tell you what I'm anxious about. A little running bit

836
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: that I've had on Twitter since twenty twenty one is,

837
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, people think I make the freaking lineup,

838
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: I don't make the lineup.

839
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm just passing it.

840
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: On to you. I am going to get shredded every

841
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: game because no matter what, somebody that is not in

842
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: the lineup that should be will be on the bench

843
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: right and Twitter is going to go crazy. I am

844
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: not looking forward to that, but in a sick way,

845
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: I kind of am so. Like you said, Bernie, there'll

846
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: be so much fuss to talk about.

847
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: And one other thing, I mean, we keep dragging out,

848
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: but we're having so much fun with this. The other

849
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: thing too that you and the other beat writers are

850
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: going to have to put up with, you know, the

851
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: season of the Nolan Hour, NATO rumors will pop up.

852
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not quite sure. As soon as

853
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: somebody gets hurt, as soon as the third baseman gets hurt,

854
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: as soon as somebody let's just say it. I'm not

855
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: taking a shot like John, hey minute, I'm just saying

856
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: someone with some name and some you know, recognition puts

857
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: like one little note in a Sunday column somewhere right

858
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: about you know, you know, my friend, my friend Bob Nightingale,

859
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 3: like you know, it's like just one little line about well,

860
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: this team is you know, they really want to upgrade

861
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: at third base, so you know, they may make some

862
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: call and there it's like away we go, here we

863
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Speaker 3: go again. I think twenty thousand blogs reacting to one

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Speaker 3: line in a notes column. You know, so are you

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Speaker 3: ready for that? Are you ready for that?

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I am not at all. I was so

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Speaker 2: glad to put that to bed for spring training. But

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Speaker 2: you're so right. That's going to pop up again, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to start this whole all over and you're.

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Speaker 3: Going to get the big up, slow start. You, Katie

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Speaker 3: will be getting mailbag questions like why haven't they traded Fettie?

872
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Speaker 3: Why haven't they traded Hellsley?

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Speaker 2: You know, so, I'm scared.

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Speaker 3: You know, if they get off to a bad start

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Speaker 3: after the first week, Katie, we'll be getting not only

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Speaker 3: things on x uh, she will be getting mailbag questions.

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Speaker 3: She would getting begetting emails Katie, why haven't they traded Fettie?

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Speaker 3: Why don't they trade Helsing? Why do they hold one

879
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Speaker 3: of these gals?

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Speaker 2: They one and two against the twins? And I'm going

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Speaker 2: to get rat And I'm not I'm not ripping that.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, but that's just the way it's going

883
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Speaker 3: to be. There's no question about it.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 1: And I'm here to be a soundboard. I'm like a

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Speaker 1: personal therapist. I should really get paid more. We will

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Speaker 1: trauma bond through the rest of the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 1: If you're feeling down, don't worry, you have me, you

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Speaker 1: have Bernie, and uh we will have again a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. I guess maybe after that's Bernie.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if I'll be having

892
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Speaker 2: fun anymore.

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Speaker 3: Well, we always have a lot of laughs here on

894
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Speaker 3: when we work on the Cardinal territory, so that this

895
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Speaker 3: this is our haven. We can all have laughter and

896
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Speaker 3: be a little silly, is it in addition to the

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Speaker 3: serious stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm a very un serious person. I only lock in

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Speaker 2: when I have to.

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Speaker 3: Right right, absolutely, no, no, you yeah, you do a

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Speaker 3: great job. I can't wait to be following track in

902
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Speaker 3: your coverage. And and Derek, you know, and my old

903
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Speaker 3: friendI colleague, and John denn I love beat writers for

904
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Speaker 3: obvious reasons. Beat writers are like the real stars of

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Speaker 3: sports journalism, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But I very much enjoy being a beat writer and

907
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Speaker 1: being with those group of guys. Like you said, and

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Speaker 1: we are going to spend a lot of time with

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Speaker 1: each other in the near future. So when you watch

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Speaker 1: this video on Wednesday, whatever time you are, will be

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Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours into the regular season starting,

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Speaker 1: and you can follow along with me on the Athletic

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Speaker 1: with Bertie and myself here on Cardinal Territory. Bernie's everywhere

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Speaker 1: STL Sports Hub, KMOX. Wherever you go, you have us

915
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Speaker 1: in your corner. Let's get to a Cardinals fan Z

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Speaker 1: year five. For me, I'm so stoked. We will catch

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Speaker 1: up with you after the series. Hopefully everything goes well,

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Speaker 1: but if not, we'll talk about it. For Bernie Miechlis,

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Speaker 1: I'm Katie who this is Cardinal Territory. Happy twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five regular season

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Speaker 2: Ne