Speaker 1: Hey, it's Sauce on the Side. I think this is
Speaker 1: like maybe episode nine or something. We're getting so high
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 2: We just need to stop.
Speaker 3: Calvin, I love it.
Speaker 2: According to Andrew, by the way, the voice you hear
Speaker 2: is Diamond at this moment.
Speaker 1: Hi, Hi Diamond, my producer, I love you. According to Andrew,
Speaker 1: it's going really well. He said, our numbers are killing it.
Speaker 4: But he also could be lying. So do you want
Speaker 4: to trust him? Yeah, we're gonna trust him today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know what, You're right.
Speaker 1: Andrew is a liar and a cheat and a menace
Speaker 1: to society. Andrew, Andrew's sketchy, So this podcast could.
Speaker 2: Be completely tanking. I'm glad you put that in my head.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe he should be burned today.
Speaker 2: Oh we should burn Andrew burn books.
Speaker 1: I'm super excited. I think you're a little excited too,
Speaker 1: very excited. So, as we talk about all the time,
Speaker 1: Sauce on the Side is a side of me at
Speaker 1: Baby Hot Sauce, we get to talk about and talk
Speaker 1: to people about things that we don't talk about on
Speaker 1: the Big Show.
Speaker 2: We had an archaeologist last week. It was great.
Speaker 1: We've had OnlyFans, content creators we are going to have scientists,
Speaker 1: so we're going to have doctors, and today we're going
Speaker 1: to have Holly Madison. Yes, formerly of The Girls next Door.
Speaker 1: And I say formerly because she has come a long
Speaker 1: way since that time and she's I believe, a completely
Speaker 1: different person than what people probably saw on that show.
Speaker 1: I did not watch the show, did you?
Speaker 4: I watched the show. I probably shouldn't have been watching
Speaker 4: the show. How old you're like? Four? H probably like nine? Okay,
Speaker 4: And I'm very excited to see what she's like.
Speaker 2: Did you see her in the green room?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she looks great.
Speaker 1: She looks amazing, incredible. There's just so much going on
Speaker 1: with her, Like, I know, she's got a podcast, she's
Speaker 1: got a true crime series on the way, she wrote books,
Speaker 1: she's recently been diagnosed with a form of autism. There's
Speaker 1: just a lot to talk to Holly about. And then
Speaker 1: of course, you know all this elicious stuff. I wonder
Speaker 1: if she's going to get into it, and I kind
Speaker 1: of hope she does.
Speaker 4: I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have questions for her?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think I'm sick of asking questions.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 4: I just want to listen for a second.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to highlight, which I believe we
Speaker 1: did in the episode where we got to know you,
Speaker 1: that you working in radio have zero desire to.
Speaker 2: Be on the radio.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like do you.
Speaker 1: I watch well, I love it and I hate it.
Speaker 1: I love it because I know that you're here to work.
Speaker 1: You want to work, and you want to get to
Speaker 1: know like behind the scenes stuff. You want to be
Speaker 1: a decision maker and an influencer, not online, an actual,
Speaker 1: real life influencer over the music people are listening to.
Speaker 1: But you have no desire to ever get the spotlight.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 4: It's very weird the spotlight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I just think that you can't want to be
Speaker 4: in the spotlight and then ask for privacy. And I
Speaker 4: like to keep my life very private.
Speaker 2: We're very private.
Speaker 4: So it's like I can't if I want to be
Speaker 4: out there, then I can't complain about people being in
Speaker 4: my business.
Speaker 2: You can. I do it all the time talking.
Speaker 4: About in my business, you know. So it's like I'll
Speaker 4: stay back here.
Speaker 1: Somebody left one comment like, oh, I'm so sorry you
Speaker 1: and Brandon broke up. One No, we didn't.
Speaker 2: Two. I was like, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: Why would you even comment something like that on this picture,
Speaker 1: Like why did I get so mad? I don't want
Speaker 1: I just I don't even know where that came from.
Speaker 1: But I was incensed for no reason.
Speaker 4: But I'm the person who like pays attention to things
Speaker 4: like that, Like I'm very into making sure the couples
Speaker 4: are still together. I would never comment, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: it just takes it to another level, like you're a
Speaker 4: little too invested, right, meanwhill But.
Speaker 2: If we're actually friends, like you would ask.
Speaker 1: Me, hey, is there something wrong with you and Brandon?
Speaker 1: But when it's just like a random hey what happened?
Speaker 1: Or Hey, I'm so sorry, and we make a lot
Speaker 1: of assumptions, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: But since your life is out there to a certain extent,
Speaker 4: that just leaves room for people to make the assumptions.
Speaker 4: You know, oh, you haven't posted him in a while,
Speaker 4: you should know that you need to post him or
Speaker 4: we're gonna think that you guys broke up. So it's
Speaker 4: very like you know you're right.
Speaker 1: But also, I'm not a reality star. I'm not saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: follow my life. We're radio people. We have a morning
Speaker 1: show where we play around and then a podcast where
Speaker 1: we interview other people. So I want to like shine
Speaker 1: that light on other people and be the person that
Speaker 1: gets to.
Speaker 2: Shine the light on other people. I think that's really fun.
Speaker 2: And then because of that in my head, I don't
Speaker 2: know anybody anything. You do, Diamond, go to hell?
Speaker 4: Make your page private?
Speaker 2: You know I can't.
Speaker 1: I tried, you did, Yeah, I can't do it because
Speaker 1: I guess however, I signed up for Instagram or wherever
Speaker 1: I am now that got that. I have that blue
Speaker 1: check which I got in like twenty seventeen. Did you
Speaker 1: know you can check when people got the check?
Speaker 4: No, but I want to check.
Speaker 2: I'll show you how.
Speaker 4: Somebody give me a check.
Speaker 1: Apparently I'm a public figure, and if you're a public figure,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to go private.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, no, then I don't want it.
Speaker 1: Then you don't have to be a public figure. With
Speaker 1: the new blue check mark, you could just buy it.
Speaker 1: You can just buy it and be you know, anybody
Speaker 1: anywhere doing anything.
Speaker 2: I know, to which I say, take that check mark,
Speaker 2: then take care of let me go private.
Speaker 4: Anybody could be you know whatever.
Speaker 1: I think we've talked longer at this moment than we
Speaker 1: have ever talked. In the intro of a podcast. You're
Speaker 1: getting comfortable diamonds.
Speaker 2: Oh no, You're gonna love this.
Speaker 4: I can't wait. Just come on, bring Holly in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring good.
Speaker 1: Holly Madison is here, and thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining me.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I stayed up all night reading everything about you. I
Speaker 1: have my basic knowledge, but now I feel like I
Speaker 1: know you so much better and I'm fascinated by all
Speaker 1: of the things that you've been doing.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know Holly Madison from the Girls next Door.
Speaker 1: Now you're about to have a true crime series, Yes,
Speaker 1: the Blonde.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my second true crime series. It's called Lethally Blonde.
Speaker 3: It's on ID. My first one was called The Playboy
Speaker 3: Murders and it was about murders. We did two seasons
Speaker 3: of it. It was about murders involving people in the
Speaker 3: playboy world, and this show Lethally Blonde is kind of similar,
Speaker 3: but it's not Playboy specific. Every case, whether it's the
Speaker 3: victim or the perpetrator, involves somebody who's on the fringes
Speaker 3: of the adult entertainment industry. It's just as good as
Speaker 3: as The Playboy Murders in my opinion, but it's something
Speaker 3: like edgier and more current, I think, so I'm really
Speaker 3: excited about it.
Speaker 2: What made you get into true crime?
Speaker 3: Well, I've always loved the true crime genre since I
Speaker 3: was a kid. Like I used to love staying up
Speaker 3: late when I could to watch unsolved mysteries, and I've
Speaker 3: always been fascinated by it. But I was approached by
Speaker 3: the producers about the Playboy Murders, and at first I
Speaker 3: didn't want to do it. My agent told me about it,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I've done way too many Playboy things.
Speaker 3: I'm up to my ears. I don't want to do it,
Speaker 3: and he's like, well, just look at the deck. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna send it over to you and let me know
Speaker 3: what you think. So I looked at the deck and
Speaker 3: they had outlined all the cases they wanted to cover,
Speaker 3: and I was just fascinated because so many of the
Speaker 3: cases I'd never heard of, and some of them were unsolved.
Speaker 3: I thought they were really important to tell. But most
Speaker 3: of all, I thought, this is a show I would
Speaker 3: actually watch even if I wasn't involved. So that made
Speaker 3: me really excited to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: I'm also obsessed with true crime, probably to the point
Speaker 1: where I fall asleep watching it, and I heard it
Speaker 1: makes you a psychopath in some capacity, like you fall
Speaker 1: asleep watching murder. That's not healthy, and honestly it's not.
Speaker 1: There have been times I wake up screaming. But I
Speaker 1: think this stuff is fascinating. And you having worked mostly
Speaker 1: with this atmosphere, this environment, does this do any of
Speaker 1: these shock you? Or are you kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the vibe that was going on.
Speaker 3: No, they're definitely shocking because a lot of them, even
Speaker 3: the Playboy ones, they would happen in people's lives like
Speaker 3: after you know, they left Playboy, and you know, their
Speaker 3: lives take different twists and turns and things like that.
Speaker 3: So there was a lot to learn, a lot of
Speaker 3: shocking stuff, a lot of stuff I could relate to
Speaker 3: you as well. So yeah, there's I mean, it goes
Speaker 3: all over the place. So definitely.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any reason or any common thread
Speaker 1: with why this happens so much in this particular industry?
Speaker 3: You know, I think industries like Playboy or the adult
Speaker 3: entertainment industry, they're kind of high pressure in the way
Speaker 3: that there's a lot you can that can be gained potentially,
Speaker 3: so it can get pretty competitive. And like jealousies can
Speaker 3: be stoked. Not for everyone, of course, but that can happen.
Speaker 3: So I think sometimes when you're in these high stakes
Speaker 3: environment it can contribute a little bit.
Speaker 1: So now with Lethally Blonde, we're going down a somewhat
Speaker 1: different alley, but still all of it's adult entertainment adjacent.
Speaker 1: Have you guys doing some of these because you said
Speaker 1: some are unsolved?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 1: Have there been any of these episodes that aired and
Speaker 1: then people reached out to you with any information?
Speaker 4: Not yet.
Speaker 3: I think it's every true crime producer's dreamed. Yeah, their
Speaker 3: work maybe help make a difference in some way, whether
Speaker 3: it inspires somebody with any kind of information to come forward.
Speaker 3: I did get a lot of people reaching out and
Speaker 3: telling me about cases I didn't know about that we
Speaker 3: could possibly cover and playboy murders, so that that's helpful.
Speaker 2: Are you guys going to go down that path exploring?
Speaker 4: I think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Tell any crowdsourcing.
Speaker 1: Social media is a gift and a curse in so
Speaker 1: many ways because everybody has an opinion and everyone can contribute.
Speaker 2: But then everyone has opinion and everyone can contribute, so
Speaker 2: what do you do with that?
Speaker 1: But it's great in these scenarios that you can kind
Speaker 1: of explore some more stuff, but you're doing so much
Speaker 1: more than that. You also have a podcast now with
Speaker 1: Bridget correct and it is called Girls Next Level.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about it. It seems like it's
Speaker 2: doing really well. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it totally is. We have an amazing following. The
Speaker 3: love our listeners so much. We started doing it because
Speaker 3: I was doing YouTube reacts to old episodes of Girls
Speaker 3: next Door, and I kept texting Bridget because I'd watched
Speaker 3: these back. I hadn't watched them since they first aired
Speaker 3: like fifteen years ago, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: you remember this or I forgot about that, or do
Speaker 3: you remember this one time? And I was sending her
Speaker 3: so many voice notes. She was probably so annoyed with me,
Speaker 3: but we were having these long convos. I'm like, this
Speaker 3: should just be a podcast. This would be really fun.
Speaker 3: So we started doing it and it took off. I
Speaker 3: think it really resonates with people, whether or not they've
Speaker 3: seen the show, just because when I go back and
Speaker 3: watch these episodes, like every episode makes me think of
Speaker 3: like a different topic that is still relevant today, or
Speaker 3: people can find relatable, whether it's like diet culture or
Speaker 3: body dysmorphia or relationship dynamics. It like sparks all kinds
Speaker 3: of conversations.
Speaker 1: And it's great that you guys get to have this
Speaker 1: voice now and go back and say, hey, this is
Speaker 1: actually what things were kind of like really behind the
Speaker 1: scenes versus what you all were able to see when
Speaker 1: you watch back and you obviously had these reactions to it,
Speaker 1: How do you feel about why watching you fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3: A lot of cringe moments. I think anyone would say
Speaker 3: that about watching video con cells from fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3: Though sometimes we get triggered by certain little things that
Speaker 3: we're not expecting, but most of the time we have
Speaker 3: a sense of humor about it. So we're covering a
Speaker 3: lot of good times too, laughing about a lot of things.
Speaker 3: We have guests on the show, people who were on
Speaker 3: the show with us and friends from those days, and
Speaker 3: it's been a good excuse to connect with people that
Speaker 3: we haven't seen in person for a long time. So
Speaker 3: it's a really fun process.
Speaker 1: When you say that things are triggering when you watch
Speaker 1: it back and you realize, hey, you know what that's
Speaker 1: kind of triggering?
Speaker 2: Is it in any way eye opening? And like Hey,
Speaker 2: I need.
Speaker 1: To talk to somebody about this or in itself without
Speaker 1: talking to someone, just like a therapy session for you.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It's a therapy session in front of
Speaker 3: so many people. So thank you listeners for being my therapist.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So they talk you through it?
Speaker 3: They do. People leave a lot of amazing feedback, like
Speaker 3: on our Patreon or on our Instagram page, and they're
Speaker 3: so nice about it, and I love it.
Speaker 1: Do you find so many more people relating to you
Speaker 1: than you ever thought, because that has to feel, at
Speaker 1: some point a bit isolating to have been part of
Speaker 1: this thing that no one else was part of.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think in the beginning, you know, I was
Speaker 3: on a reality show where only certain parts of my
Speaker 3: personality were shown and a narrative was created, and I
Speaker 3: was kind of turned into kind of a cartoon character.
Speaker 3: And when that was all anybody saw, it felt really stifling.
Speaker 3: But as I've been able to be honest, whether it's
Speaker 3: through my book or through other interviews, I feel like
Speaker 3: people understand me more and more. So it's just like
Speaker 3: the more authentic you can be out there, you know,
Speaker 3: it helps.
Speaker 1: I'm sure when you talk about things like body dysmorphia
Speaker 1: or if you ever touch on eating disorders, because and arguably,
Speaker 1: somebody would look at you and say, she's beautiful, she's perfect,
Speaker 1: she has everything going for her, and you would look in.
Speaker 2: The mirror and not think that same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a hard place for me to feel beautiful.
Speaker 3: I felt like that relationship was toxic in many ways.
Speaker 3: But one of the ways was I was always made
Speaker 3: to feel like I wasn't beautiful enough, which doesn't really
Speaker 3: make sense because you look at his situation where girlfriends
Speaker 3: all kind of have to meet a certain standard to
Speaker 3: be there in the first place. But I still felt like, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm not pretty enough to be in the magazine. Even
Speaker 3: after I was in the magazine, you know, things like that.
Speaker 3: So I was always comparing myself and was never good enough.
Speaker 3: I didn't start to feel okay about the way I
Speaker 3: looked until I started working at the Playboy Studio. I
Speaker 3: took over as the director of the Playmate shoots. Oh wow,
Speaker 3: And it was interesting because one might think that might
Speaker 3: be kind of like a hard place to be, like
Speaker 3: seeing all these beautiful women come in, But I felt
Speaker 3: like being in the magazine was something I'd wanted to
Speaker 3: do for so long, so helping other people with it
Speaker 3: and trying to make their workdays fun and you know,
Speaker 3: helping them with their dreams and just like getting behind
Speaker 3: other women and supporting other women and you know, helping
Speaker 3: them look their best and feel their best. It really
Speaker 3: kind of turned that around for me, Like I still
Speaker 3: have some weird like dysmorphia and things left over from
Speaker 3: those years, because how could I not. But I feel
Speaker 3: like working with the other women really helped.
Speaker 1: I make this joke all the time, but it's really
Speaker 1: not a joke. I think I have body dysmorphia in
Speaker 1: the opposite direction where I'll leave the house and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you look good, and then I see pictures and video
Speaker 1: and I'm like, who the hell that looks terrible?
Speaker 2: This is awful. So I see myself from the other way.
Speaker 3: No, I do that too. There's well, there's something about
Speaker 3: a mirror. You're looking at yourself, you're seeing you know,
Speaker 3: you you and movement and everything, and then I see
Speaker 3: a picture and everything's frozen. And there's something about the
Speaker 3: way our eyes focus on that you find all the.
Speaker 1: Flaws, every single one of them. And at least for me,
Speaker 1: if I don't find them someone else will truly point
Speaker 1: them out.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.
Speaker 3: You know, people are lined up and I hate it.
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 1: But when you said you took over as the director
Speaker 1: for some of these Playboy shoots, how did you do
Speaker 1: things differently than the people before you?
Speaker 3: I didn't do a lot differently. I worked there for
Speaker 3: two years, so part of it was me just learning everything,
Speaker 3: learning how they already did things. And I was a
Speaker 3: big fan of the pictorials in the first place, so
Speaker 3: I didn't want to change too much. But we did
Speaker 3: make a lot of changes. One of the photographers, one
Speaker 3: of the staff photographers in particular, had a lot of
Speaker 3: changes he really wanted to make. He wanted to switch
Speaker 3: from film to digital because in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: when I first started working there, they were still shooting
Speaker 3: everything on film. I believe they were keeping a whole
Speaker 3: film development company in business just pay and it was
Speaker 3: so expensive. So we switched to digital. We cut a
Speaker 3: ton of costs and didn't lose inequality in my opinion,
Speaker 3: and things like that. So there were a lot of changes,
Speaker 3: but it was also it was kind of fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty me learning what they were already doing and getting
Speaker 3: that down and trying to make it a smooth or
Speaker 3: easier process. We definitely cut the shoot days down it
Speaker 3: used to be because of the technology to shoot a centerfold,
Speaker 3: a playmate would be standing in the same pose for
Speaker 3: like two weeks sometimes two week Yeah, of the same shoot.
Speaker 3: We're trying to get everything perfect. But we got it
Speaker 3: to where we would shoot a centerfold in the morning,
Speaker 3: we'd print it out big, drive it over back to
Speaker 3: the mansion for him to see, and then he'd call
Speaker 3: me on lunch and say if it's approved or not,
Speaker 3: and if he didn't like it, we could make whatever
Speaker 3: change he wanted by the end of the day and
Speaker 3: get it by the end of the day. Like, I
Speaker 3: don't think we ever had a centerfold shoot that took
Speaker 3: longer than a day, So that felt good.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the hardest part about those shoots,
Speaker 1: having shot them and having been in them.
Speaker 3: Gosh, I don't know. I think just trying to make
Speaker 3: sure you get enough content because they wanted so much
Speaker 3: content for online and you know, for special editions of
Speaker 3: Playboy and the pictorial, so you wanted to get somebody
Speaker 3: looking their absolute best in so many pictures, Like back
Speaker 3: in the sixties, when they would shoot a centerfold, it
Speaker 3: would be one photo for the centerfold and then there'd
Speaker 3: be like a handful for the rest of the magazine,
Speaker 3: So you'd have to get like six good pictures kind of.
Speaker 3: But when I was working there, it's like you had
Speaker 3: to get just a stock pile. So it's a challenge
Speaker 3: to get it all in that short amount of time.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like it would be very cold,
Speaker 1: and I'd want to eat, and these are all things
Speaker 1: that are not going to work out very well for
Speaker 1: the shoot. In general, you were talking about during some
Speaker 1: of the time in the mansion, or just in general
Speaker 1: with all the crime that you're now investigating in a
Speaker 1: sort of highlighting.
Speaker 2: Jealousy was a huge issue.
Speaker 1: Was that the case inside the like how many women
Speaker 1: lived in the mansion at one time?
Speaker 3: Well, when I first moved in, he had seven girlfriends,
Speaker 3: so there would be seven girlfriends, plus there was a
Speaker 3: guest house on the property, so there were constantly women
Speaker 3: who were testing for playmate and women who are shooting
Speaker 3: their pictorials in the guest house at any certain times.
Speaker 3: So they would always be up for the buffets and
Speaker 3: movies and coming out with us to clubs and stuff.
Speaker 3: So there was a lot of women, and I really
Speaker 3: experienced both sides of the same coin. When I first
Speaker 3: moved in, for like the first three or four years,
Speaker 3: things were so incredibly toxic and cutthroat and competitive and
Speaker 3: just girls backstabbing each other. Like I felt like I
Speaker 3: was going to get kicked out at any time, and
Speaker 3: you know, it was so stressful. But we really turned
Speaker 3: things around. You know, a lot of the girlfriends were
Speaker 3: asked to leave and then it was just three people.
Speaker 3: It was me and Bridgett and Kendra, and we really
Speaker 3: went out of our way to like make friends with
Speaker 3: the new playmates and the people coming to test and
Speaker 3: like make it a lot more positive. So I've experienced
Speaker 3: both sides. I've experienced like the lifelong friendship in the
Speaker 3: sisterhood of it, but I've also experienced like the worst
Speaker 3: of the worst and the absolutely awful people.
Speaker 1: I bet, yeah, have any of those awful people grown
Speaker 1: up a little bit and circled back to have a
Speaker 1: conversation with you about how that went?
Speaker 2: Maybe say sorry, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: None, No, No, they're still talking on TV shows and
Speaker 3: still talk shit.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: Not kidding at all?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: So they did not grow up. They just decided to
Speaker 1: live right in that space for a long time. And
Speaker 1: when you talk about backstabbing, what type of stuff is
Speaker 1: there to backstab one another?
Speaker 3: About telling things that to have or like to a
Speaker 3: secretary that might get you kicked out was a big one.
Speaker 3: Like they would like do research on girls online and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, she was in this adult film, got
Speaker 3: a kick her out now, and that would get you
Speaker 3: kicked out one hundred percent. Yeah, because he didn't want
Speaker 3: his girlfriends to like have been strippers or sex workers
Speaker 3: or in like an adult film or anything. He had
Speaker 3: to really hang real hang up about it. Okay, Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: That stuff would get you kicked out now in retrospect
Speaker 1: because obviously he had three two seven girlfriends depending on Yeah,
Speaker 1: did any of the girls have boyfriends?
Speaker 3: All of them did except me and Bridget really single
Speaker 3: one of them, Like I might be forgetting, maybe there
Speaker 3: was one person who didn't. Like I'm making a broad generalization,
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure if I went through every single
Speaker 3: person that lived there when I did, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that wouldn't get them kicked out or that was
Speaker 2: just on the download they.
Speaker 3: Just didn't get caught. Yeah, Okay, Well, A lot of
Speaker 3: them did get kicked out over the years while I
Speaker 3: was there, because they did get caught. Like a few
Speaker 3: months after I'd moved in, one girl said she was
Speaker 3: going home to visit her family for a few days,
Speaker 3: but he found out she was seeing a guy, so
Speaker 3: all her stuff got packed in boxes and like sent
Speaker 3: out the back gate. And I was like, whoa, that
Speaker 3: was fast.
Speaker 2: That in itself is like so dramatic. Yeah, reality too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you're living there and you feel like
Speaker 3: you don't have anywhere to go, that's a little scary.
Speaker 3: You start to feel like, damn, I better like keep
Speaker 3: on the straight and narrow because I don't want to
Speaker 3: be kicked out tomorrow.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, that would be very stressful. What made
Speaker 1: you finally decide I'm out.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here anymore.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of things. It was part of
Speaker 3: it was I wanted to have a family, and I
Speaker 3: knew that wasn't going to happen there.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: How old was I when I left? Twenty nine? Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I realized I wanted to have a family, so
Speaker 3: I wanted to leave. And also dynamics were changing in
Speaker 3: his and my relationship, you know, I'd gotten to a
Speaker 3: point where it was really just us, like Bridget and
Speaker 3: Kender were leaving, and I always, you know, throughout my
Speaker 3: time there, had kind of blamed all the problems and
Speaker 3: all the drama on the other girls. But when it
Speaker 3: was just he and I, he kind of went through
Speaker 3: a shift and got really verbally abusive. I still don't
Speaker 3: know what that was all about, but I just I
Speaker 3: just couldn't take it. I remember Bridget was like on
Speaker 3: some islands somewhere shooting a travel show, and I'm texting
Speaker 3: or like, I've got to get out of here, like
Speaker 3: I can't take this.
Speaker 2: Was that a hard conversation to have when you finally decided.
Speaker 3: I'm going to leave one hundred percent? And it was
Speaker 3: a hard decision to come to too. I felt guilty
Speaker 3: for leaving. I shouldn't have, but that was just kind
Speaker 3: of the dynamics of our relationship. I felt guilty for leaving.
Speaker 3: I felt like I'd invested so much in this relationship.
Speaker 3: I felt like everybody knew me as this girl who
Speaker 3: dated Hugh Hefner, and that's always something I'm going to
Speaker 3: have to like carry with me and like defend or
Speaker 3: live up to or whatever. So it was a hard decision,
Speaker 3: but I came to it pretty suddenly once the straw
Speaker 3: broke the camel's back.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that is something that's heavy for
Speaker 1: you to carry around now or have you gotten to.
Speaker 2: A place where you're okay with it and.
Speaker 1: You say, you know what, that was my life this
Speaker 1: is my life now and they're completely different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay with it now. I'm totally open to
Speaker 3: talking about it, you know, in depth and stuff. But
Speaker 3: I used to not be. I used to hate it.
Speaker 3: I used to want to just completely shift away and
Speaker 3: be like that was a part of my past. It's fine,
Speaker 3: but I only want to talk about what I'm doing now,
Speaker 3: and just nobody else would let it go. So I
Speaker 3: finally just got comfortable with it, and I'm glad I
Speaker 3: did because it allowed me to go pretty deep with it.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm just cool with it now.
Speaker 2: And now you have a podcast where you can say
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you want, and that has to be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I love watching people find their voice or get their
Speaker 1: voice after having been in a completely different area and
Speaker 1: life sort of like in a box at some point,
Speaker 1: and it seems like you leaving open the door to
Speaker 1: you having this wonderful life where you did have a
Speaker 1: family totally and now you get to enjoy family life
Speaker 1: and doing whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I mean it went so well, Like I
Speaker 3: worked really hard, but I got lucky too and had
Speaker 3: like an amazing career right after leaving the mansion and everything.
Speaker 3: But when I made the decision to leave, I wasn't
Speaker 3: sure that was going to be the case. Like, obviously
Speaker 3: I was on a really popular TV show, but I
Speaker 3: never really felt famous when I was there because I
Speaker 3: had always been surrounded by like HEF's fame, so it
Speaker 3: always seemed like, you know, things kind of seemed the same,
Speaker 3: like I'm just like standing in his shadow.
Speaker 4: So I was.
Speaker 3: Scared to leave and that I didn't know if anybody
Speaker 3: would accept me or what would be out there for me.
Speaker 3: You know, everything had been wrapped up in this relationship
Speaker 3: every you know, it had been my job at the
Speaker 3: you know, at the studio and on the show and
Speaker 3: everything like that. So it was scary. But I got
Speaker 3: on my feet really quickly, thank God.
Speaker 1: So what was what was the path you leave the
Speaker 1: mansion and then what was your first move to kind
Speaker 1: of just do things on your own.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be in a show in Vegas. I'd
Speaker 3: started talking to a show called Crazy Horse Paris that
Speaker 3: used to be at the MGA, and I was supposed
Speaker 3: to do a guest spot in that, but another show
Speaker 3: came along that was a bigger, higher paying production, and
Speaker 3: I did that for four years. And I did my
Speaker 3: own show called Holly's World, which was a Girl's next
Speaker 3: Door spin off in Vegas. And then I got married
Speaker 3: and had kids, and now I'm.
Speaker 1: Here, you are raising two kids, and I read one
Speaker 1: of the things that you said you're never going to
Speaker 1: do with your children is talk about diet and body issues.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I try really hard to stay away from that. I'm
Speaker 3: so careful. Even like if they want me to eat
Speaker 3: macaroni and cheese with them and I'm trying not to,
Speaker 3: I come up with something like, oh, I'm on a
Speaker 3: health plan or something like. I try to stay away
Speaker 3: from the words diet or try to stay away from
Speaker 3: talking about weight as much as I can.
Speaker 2: That's got to be tough, though, it is.
Speaker 3: It is. It's like when you're trying to, you know,
Speaker 3: change your language in some way, and you're always like
Speaker 3: catching yourself. But I think I've done pretty good so far.
Speaker 1: Are you prepared if one of your children wants to
Speaker 1: get into the same line of business as you used
Speaker 1: to be in specific like, okay, so if your daughter
Speaker 1: decides one day she wants to be in the adult
Speaker 1: entertainment world, not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I mean her dad would her dad would like I
Speaker 3: don't know what he would do, but just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I mean we try to, you know, since day one,
Speaker 3: it's always been really important to us to raise her
Speaker 3: to be passionate about what she likes doing, whether it's
Speaker 3: horseback riding and surfing, and really focus on that. So
Speaker 3: I try to stay away from emphasizing anything about looks,
Speaker 3: anything about trying to make people like you. She's not
Speaker 3: at the stage where she's like liking boys yet. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're really trying to be proactive and just what we emphasize.
Speaker 3: We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: But is it weird for them if people recognize you?
Speaker 1: Do they have any idea that, like, hey, mom's famous.
Speaker 3: They see people recognize you. Sometimes they know I have
Speaker 3: a YouTube channel, they don't know what the videos are.
Speaker 3: They know I have a podcast, they don't know what
Speaker 3: it's about I'm just hoping they're not real interested when
Speaker 3: they find out.
Speaker 1: I feel like the saving grace is that kids never
Speaker 1: think what their parents are doing is cool or anything
Speaker 1: that they want to investigate exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what I am banking on.
Speaker 2: Please just think I'm a door. Can you move on
Speaker 2: with your life?
Speaker 1: What are your plans going forward? I mean, obviously you
Speaker 1: have Lethally Blonde, so that's exciting. We're going to focus
Speaker 1: on that a lot. You have a podcast. Are there
Speaker 1: other things on your bucket? Lest you've also written books?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love to do more of the same. I
Speaker 3: love being in the true crime space. I love to
Speaker 3: do more of that. Short term. I'm excited about taking
Speaker 3: my kids on a Disney cruise for spring break. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm just like all about more of the same. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm totally happy right now. Would just love to keep
Speaker 3: doing more of the same.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to talk about something that I read.
Speaker 1: You fairly recently found out that you are on the
Speaker 1: autism spectrum. What made you even go to get that
Speaker 1: diagnosis or even get a test?
Speaker 2: What made you think something was going on?
Speaker 3: Well, my mom brought it up and said that she'd
Speaker 3: suspected that for a while.
Speaker 2: Like your mom brought it up recently within the.
Speaker 3: Last five years. Okay, yeah, she was talking to my
Speaker 3: ex husband about it, and I looked up the symptoms
Speaker 3: and I thought, wow, this really sounds like me. Like
Speaker 3: I always knew I was a little bit different, but
Speaker 3: I always wrote it off to being exc extremely introverted,
Speaker 3: or maybe it's because I grew up in a really
Speaker 3: isolated place in Alaska. I don't know. I always made
Speaker 3: up all these excuses. I knew something was off for sure,
Speaker 3: but never knew what it was. And it even started
Speaker 3: coming up in interviews. If I was doing, like say,
Speaker 3: an in depth podcast interview, i'd bring it up because
Speaker 3: I felt like it applied, maybe as a factor in
Speaker 3: some decisions I made and things like that. And I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, I can't talk about this publicly unless I
Speaker 3: get a formal diagnosis. So I did that last summer,
Speaker 3: and it's been really great just knowing what's going on
Speaker 3: with me. I feel like I feel like I can
Speaker 3: handle myself better. I feel like I know why I
Speaker 3: do what I do, and it's been great.
Speaker 1: So coming from a place of complete ignorance with this,
Speaker 1: what is the testing like for something like that, did
Speaker 1: you go through.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I found a great doctor and we did
Speaker 3: it over zoom. It was over seven points. I don't
Speaker 3: even remember how many appointments it was. I vlogged everything, like,
Speaker 3: not the actual appointment, but I would do like a
Speaker 3: confessional like before and after each appointment, kind of say
Speaker 3: what was going on. Never edited it, never put it
Speaker 3: up someday, Well I would check in and I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is I think my seventh appointment. Like I would
Speaker 3: lose track. But they do all kinds of quizzes, ask
Speaker 3: you all kinds of questions. They show you pictures of
Speaker 3: like people's eyes and ask you what expressions are they making?
Speaker 3: Things like that. They also would take appointments with like
Speaker 3: my mom and my ex husband because they want to
Speaker 3: talk to other people who've interacted with you, Oh wow,
Speaker 3: in depth and see what's going on.
Speaker 2: So now that you know that this is what you're
Speaker 2: dealing with, are there.
Speaker 1: Ways that they've given you to I don't even want
Speaker 1: to say cope, because I don't think that it's a
Speaker 1: horrible thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah me, Like they call it a spectrum for the reason.
Speaker 3: For a reason, because people, you know, have it to
Speaker 3: varying degrees, and I have pretty good, you know, executive functioning.
Speaker 3: I come off, you know, I can operate quote unquote normally,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people out there have a lot
Speaker 3: more challenges. But I think I'm good. Like I love
Speaker 3: that I found I love the fact that I found
Speaker 3: somebody that I know I can make another appointment with
Speaker 3: and talk to you if I feel like there's something
Speaker 3: I want to work on. My main concern was I
Speaker 3: just want to make sure I'm interacting with my kids
Speaker 3: in a way where they feel loved, because sometimes being
Speaker 3: on the spectrum, you can come off really really distant,
Speaker 3: Like I have what they call flat effect, which means
Speaker 3: my voice is really monotone, and like my expressions aren't
Speaker 3: as lively, like I have resting pitch face all the time.
Speaker 3: So that was more of my concern more than anything,
Speaker 3: like I'm I was forty five when I found this out,
Speaker 3: so as forty four. I found it out last summer,
Speaker 3: and you know, I've gone through life this far, so
Speaker 3: I'm kind of fine with it. I'm kind of over
Speaker 3: you know, what everybody else might think of me, But
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure that as a parent,
Speaker 3: I was expressing myself the best way possible.
Speaker 1: I will say, I've been reading a lot, and you know,
Speaker 1: March is Women's History Month, and one of the things
Speaker 1: we talk about all the time is the disparity in
Speaker 1: medical care and that women often do not get diagnosed
Speaker 1: at all with any type of autism spectrum disorder, or
Speaker 1: they get diagnosed far later in life when they're the
Speaker 1: ones that have realized, hey, you know what, there's something
Speaker 1: a little bit strange.
Speaker 2: Going on with me, and I want to go get
Speaker 2: it looked at.
Speaker 1: Whereas boys get these knows he's very young and they're
Speaker 1: able to deal with, cope with whatever, have these these
Speaker 1: mechanisms to go forward in life. How what are signs
Speaker 1: or symptoms to you that you would say, hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, ladies, girls, if this is how you're feeling,
Speaker 1: go get yourself checked out.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there's so many. I mean, for me,
Speaker 3: the first thing that tipped my mom off is when
Speaker 3: I was a toddler, I would just zone out, like
Speaker 3: my eyes would lock into the sky and I would
Speaker 3: just look like I was disappearing. So that was one.
Speaker 3: I think A big one for me too, is not
Speaker 3: recognizing social cues, not picking up on social cues. For
Speaker 3: the longest time, I never made eye contact until recently.
Speaker 3: I just always felt like I had such a hard
Speaker 3: time connecting with other people and I wasn't coming across
Speaker 3: normal and I didn't really know why.
Speaker 1: How has that affected your personal life?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not really a lot of changes, because
Speaker 3: the guy I was dating for the last five years,
Speaker 3: he really the great thing about him is he really
Speaker 3: understood me, and he's an introvert as well, so he
Speaker 3: was never judge about how introverted I was or things that. Like,
Speaker 3: I've been in relationships before where people didn't understand why
Speaker 3: I was so introverted or why I didn't connect with
Speaker 3: people or get on with people as well, and I
Speaker 3: felt really judged for it, you know, like they felt
Speaker 3: like I was a bad person. Well.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that's really hard for
Speaker 1: the public to understand about people who are in the
Speaker 1: spotlight is that you can be in the spotlight and
Speaker 1: still be very introverted and still be very shy, And
Speaker 1: I think that's tough for people to sort of wrap
Speaker 1: their minds around.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think for me, when I was younger, I
Speaker 3: wanted to be famous in some way. I don't know how,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know why back then, except it just
Speaker 3: kind of looks fun. And I think every kid goes
Speaker 3: through a phase where they want to be famous. But
Speaker 3: looking back, I feel like subconsciously I felt like it
Speaker 3: would be a shortcut to connecting with people because they
Speaker 3: did have such a hard time connecting with people. I thought, well,
Speaker 3: if I'm known and people know me from this, you
Speaker 3: have that connection already, which spoiler alert, being famous does
Speaker 3: not help you connect with people.
Speaker 2: It might be more isolating sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, But I think that wasn't
Speaker 3: what I was thinking in the back of my mind
Speaker 3: when I was younger. I think that's why I was
Speaker 3: attracted to that for sure.
Speaker 1: Has your time in the spotlight and dealing with so
Speaker 1: many celebrities who have come through the Playboy Mansion or
Speaker 1: just into your life in one way or another, has
Speaker 1: it sort of ruined that illusion of celebrity being cool
Speaker 1: or is it still cool to you?
Speaker 3: Well, it got ruined pretty early. Like I was when
Speaker 3: I first came to the Playboy Mansion, I was the
Speaker 3: most starstruck person in the world. It was one of
Speaker 3: the reasons I was so taken with hef But then
Speaker 3: after I moved in and saw all the underbelly of
Speaker 3: like how people behaved inside the house, and how all
Speaker 3: his other girlfriends would just or not all of them maybe,
Speaker 3: but most of them would like run to jump on
Speaker 3: any celebrity that would give them the time of day.
Speaker 3: I just kind of got a little jaded and grossed
Speaker 3: out by the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Now we're starting to hear all these ridiculous stories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whether it's at the Playboy Mansion or Diddy whomever, people
Speaker 1: had to have seen these things going on before. Now,
Speaker 1: were there ever things and I'm not going to ask
Speaker 1: you for specifics or names, but were there ever things
Speaker 1: that you saw happening at the Playboy Mansion that you
Speaker 1: were like, that is not right. That's going to come
Speaker 1: out at some point.
Speaker 3: Other than stuff that happened with me personally, I would
Speaker 3: say not necessarily at the mansion, because when I was
Speaker 3: like at the parties, for example, I would always be
Speaker 3: sitting next to Half And you wouldn't think so because
Speaker 3: people think of Helf as this wild person, But when
Speaker 3: people were a guest in his home, they always behaved
Speaker 3: themselves when they were like around his table, like anything
Speaker 3: crazy I heard was happening elsewhere which I wouldn't see,
Speaker 3: but I heard about, you know, some prominent people in
Speaker 3: Hollywood who'd been brought down recently. I remember, you know,
Speaker 3: knowing people who are victims of those people and having
Speaker 3: heard those stories like over fifteen years ago. So a
Speaker 3: lot of the stuff that came out wasn't surprising. But
Speaker 3: you know, people are always like, oh, these people knew,
Speaker 3: these people knew, but it's not your story to come
Speaker 3: forward with, you know, And.
Speaker 1: It almost does someone of disservice if you put their
Speaker 1: information out there and they're not ready to handle it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't do it. And if you're not the
Speaker 3: one with the proof, you could get in trouble. And
Speaker 3: it's just yeah, So it's a tricky situation.
Speaker 1: And I bet a lot of very powerful people come through.
Speaker 1: And even if you did have the proof and you
Speaker 1: did want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: That's a scary place to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I meant, Yeah, are you guys getting any pushback or
Speaker 1: flack about your podcast?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: By the way, Girls Next Level?
Speaker 4: Thanks?
Speaker 3: Oh kay, one hundred percent. There's always haters, especially when
Speaker 3: we talk about anything Playboy related, because there's the whole
Speaker 3: contingent of people that you know are just so loyal to,
Speaker 3: like Playboy in half that you can't even say he
Speaker 3: wore a hat the wrong way or you know, you're ostracized.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So so my situation's pretty extreme.
Speaker 1: It seems like Playboy is kind of taking a turn though, right.
Speaker 1: They kind of went away for a minute, Yeah, vanished completely,
Speaker 1: and then came back and said we're going to do
Speaker 1: this differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the company itself is totally different. I think it
Speaker 3: operates more like OnlyFans now. Oh yeah, he sold the
Speaker 3: company do like a private equity firm, I think before
Speaker 3: he passed.
Speaker 1: And I guess you wouldn't be able to speak for
Speaker 1: all of them, but people who sort of like came
Speaker 1: up the hard way versus now there's OnlyFans. How is
Speaker 1: how is only fans looked at by people who are
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry when it was much tougher.
Speaker 3: I think there's always a snobbery in the entertainment industry
Speaker 3: every time because each generation things get kind of easier.
Speaker 3: Like back when I was coming up on reality TV,
Speaker 3: like traditional celebrities like hate the reality TV people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and now traditional celebrities and reality TV people are like, oh,
Speaker 3: the TikTokers. You know, it's just it's always it's the.
Speaker 2: Same radio or podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, as far as podcasting and
Speaker 1: radio goes, I love that everybody can have a podcast
Speaker 1: because I think that that just makes it more competitive
Speaker 1: and still the cream of the crop will rise to
Speaker 1: the top at some point, and I like it. I
Speaker 1: think there should always be healthy competition and keep people
Speaker 1: on their toes because you know how it goes when
Speaker 1: people just have that heritage and they run with it,
Speaker 1: and then they become complacent and we're looking around thinking,
Speaker 1: this is it.
Speaker 2: This is the entertainment industry. It can be better than this.
Speaker 3: It gets rid of a lot of the gatekeepers too.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of toxicity can come with gatekeeping.
Speaker 3: So it's good.
Speaker 1: What are some of the highlights of the podcast, Things
Speaker 1: that you guys have gotten into you because you have
Speaker 1: guests on as well, right.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 3: We talk to a lot of playmates and other girls
Speaker 3: who were there at the time. We talked to one
Speaker 3: of half Suns, which was a really interesting interview. And
Speaker 3: every week it's something different.
Speaker 1: It's so and it's you guys are consistent weekly every Monday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty two episodes in the.
Speaker 3: Year forty eight. We take a couple of weeks off,
Speaker 3: like the slow weeks, like the Memorial.
Speaker 2: Day, as you should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people need vacation and break times. So coming up
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Anything you would like to promote on
Speaker 1: this podcast, Let's plug it.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm so I do all the editing
Speaker 3: and everything too, so I'm like, what did I even
Speaker 3: just upload? We are going over episodes right now. We
Speaker 3: just finished an episode where it was a baby shower
Speaker 3: episode and we were talking about that, and then we're
Speaker 3: doing like a twenty first birthday episode, and then we
Speaker 3: have a playmate coming on right after that who has
Speaker 3: a lot of really funny, interesting stories that I never heard.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited about all the stuff coming up.
Speaker 1: So I watched Curby Your Enthusiasm and I just started
Speaker 1: it over again and I saw you guys in one
Speaker 1: of the earlier episodes, and I was like, oh, Holly,
Speaker 1: how is it splintering off into these other things all
Speaker 1: from this one venture that you were doing. You know,
Speaker 1: like when they come to you and say, hey, do
Speaker 1: you guys want to be on Curb your enthusiasm.
Speaker 2: How does that work?
Speaker 3: It was really cool because Heff would be asked to
Speaker 3: do cameo and certain things, and oftentimes he would want
Speaker 3: like some playmates or his girlfriends around him. So sometimes
Speaker 3: we'd be lucky enough to be written into that, like
Speaker 3: we did Entourage back then too, or doing a Carl's
Speaker 3: Junior commercial with Half stuff like that. So that was fun,
Speaker 3: and it was always a very quick process. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like you get there at five am to do hair
Speaker 3: and makeup and you're there all day. It was like
Speaker 3: Hef only wanted to work for like ten minutes, so
Speaker 3: everything was set up and we would show up downstairs
Speaker 3: in like a half hour total to shoot the whole thing.
Speaker 3: And I remember in between takes, I was trying to
Speaker 3: talk to Larry David and I was so confused because
Speaker 3: I didn't he stayed in character the whole time.
Speaker 4: Really, I was trying to talk to.
Speaker 3: Him like he was him, and he was staying a character,
Speaker 3: and I forget what he said, but like something wasn't computing.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, it was some like kind of
Speaker 3: practical question like oh, where do you go for lunch?
Speaker 3: Or so I don't remember what it was at all,
Speaker 3: but it was something that his answer didn't make sense
Speaker 3: to me. And I think it's because he was his
Speaker 3: character though, like he wasn't like the real the real him.
Speaker 2: That's very awkward.
Speaker 3: I know. I'm kind of always awkward though, So it
Speaker 3: wasn't It wasn't.
Speaker 1: Too far, I will tell you so, based on all
Speaker 1: the stuff that I was reading about you and the
Speaker 1: research that I was trying to do, I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: she might be kind of.
Speaker 2: Shy, a little quiet, maybe a little awkward. And I
Speaker 2: don't feel like you've been that at all. I think
Speaker 2: it's been wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes me feel good. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have nothing to be nervous about or shy
Speaker 1: about that. But this has been great And I think
Speaker 1: it's very eye opening seeing the darker side of or
Speaker 1: at least hearing some of the darker side of things
Speaker 1: that used to look so glittery and amazing. And I
Speaker 1: also read, and I think this is important. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: change anything. You just wouldn't do it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the perfect way to put it. People always
Speaker 3: ask like, would you do it again? And I don't
Speaker 3: really know what they mean by that, Like do they
Speaker 3: mean would I change it in hindsight, or do I
Speaker 3: have to go do it. If I had to go
Speaker 3: do it, I wouldn't do it just because like the
Speaker 3: first three or four years there before we had the
Speaker 3: TV show were so bad, like I can't I wouldn't
Speaker 3: last there now because I would actually speak up for
Speaker 3: myself and get kicked out. Probably what was so bad
Speaker 3: about it, it was the dynamic between the other women.
Speaker 3: It was feeling kind of trapped and I had nowhere
Speaker 3: to go and being really scared of being thrown out
Speaker 3: all the time. I didn't like the bedroom part of it.
Speaker 3: I didn't like going out. I was always every time
Speaker 3: we went out, I got super super drunk just to
Speaker 3: cope with it. And there wasn't like when I thought
Speaker 3: I moved in, I had a vision of what it
Speaker 3: would be like and it turned out not to be
Speaker 3: that way. And when the show came along and when
Speaker 3: the cast of girls changed, it got a lot more positive.
Speaker 3: That's those first three or four years were a nightmare,
Speaker 3: just a lot of shame and embarrassment. And how like
Speaker 3: other people would react to me when they knew where
Speaker 3: I lived, I just I would just would just was
Speaker 3: like way too young and not developed enough to deal
Speaker 3: with that kind of pressure.
Speaker 1: What are the requirement What were the requirements I guess
Speaker 1: to even live in the house, Like what differentiated somebody
Speaker 1: from just being a playmate to being a resident?
Speaker 3: If you well, playmates could stay at the house sometimes too,
Speaker 3: if for whatever reason, if they were a guest, or
Speaker 3: if they needed somewhere to stay and they were friends
Speaker 3: with us or something. But to live there full time,
Speaker 3: it meant you were one of his girlfriends and you
Speaker 3: had to completely kind of be there for his schedule,
Speaker 3: whether it was you know, the dinners and movie at night,
Speaker 3: or going out a couple times a week and you
Speaker 3: know the bedroom thing, and you had a nine o'clock curfew.
Speaker 3: You weren't allowed to work. Every once in a while,
Speaker 3: he'd let some girl have a job if he thought
Speaker 3: it wasn't threatening, Like if she was a receptionist at
Speaker 3: a plastic surgeon's office and getting free plastic surgery. He
Speaker 3: thought that was okay. But like, I couldn't be a waitress.
Speaker 3: I couldn't keep my waitressing jobs. That made him jealous.
Speaker 3: It was so weird. It was yeah, it was strange.
Speaker 3: It was hard to kind of like once I got there,
Speaker 3: and realized I didn't like it. It was hard for
Speaker 3: me to kind of get back on my feet and
Speaker 3: put a plan together for myself because I wasn't allowed
Speaker 3: to work and my schedule was so filled up with
Speaker 3: just the basic requirements of what it was like to
Speaker 3: be there.
Speaker 1: So the hypocrisy of him having seven girlfriends and then
Speaker 1: also being jealous.
Speaker 3: I know I can't looking back on it.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 1: When you say the bedroom stuff, are you talking specifically
Speaker 1: about the sex life? Okay, yeah, I would imagine that
Speaker 1: being different cult, But you have a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: going on and I'm excited to see it. So if
Speaker 1: people want to find Lethally Blonde, where are they going
Speaker 1: to find it?
Speaker 3: It's on ID premieres on Monday the twenty fifth at
Speaker 3: ten ninth Central. After that it streams on Max and
Speaker 3: Hulu and Discovery Plus, and then Girls Next Level drops
Speaker 3: every Monday as.
Speaker 1: Well every Monday, and the Playboy Murders if people want
Speaker 1: to go back and watch that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Playboy Murders is on Max, Hulu and Discovery Plus.
Speaker 2: You kind of haven't stopped, You've just been going and going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been fun.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I think that you're wonderful and I'm very excited to
Speaker 1: see all of these things.
Speaker 3: Thank you. You are too, And I'm obsessed with your
Speaker 3: nutella bottle.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: I kept like looking glancing over it during the interview.
Speaker 2: This is like the most okay, So I don't even
Speaker 2: eat nutella.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: I would like you to know that they sent this
Speaker 1: massive bottle over and the first time they spelled my
Speaker 1: name incorrectly, so I just left it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to I'm not going that's not for me.
Speaker 1: That's not spelled right. So then they sent it over
Speaker 1: with my name spelled correctly. But since I don't need
Speaker 1: it, it just sits here.
Speaker 3: It's so cute.
Speaker 1: It has become such a topic of conversation. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I I feel like it frames me, Like I just
Speaker 1: sit here and just shovel Nutell it down my throat.
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought you must have been a Nutell Omega
Speaker 3: fan and talk about it all the time, and so
Speaker 3: they send it over.
Speaker 1: I am not it's just here, but I might have
Speaker 1: to leave it because it is a topic of conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you and thank you for joining me. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Okay, Divend, how did you think that went?
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 2: I think I love her.
Speaker 4: I didn't think that I was gonna like fall deeper
Speaker 4: in love Holly. But she's really nice. Number one. She
Speaker 4: really was like engaging in conversation and I'm into it,
Speaker 4: and she gave us the tea.
Speaker 1: I thought she was wonderful. I thought she was, like
Speaker 1: you said, engaging, intelligent.
Speaker 2: She has a lot to say.
Speaker 1: She's probably lived like six lifetimes, very gracious, very beautiful.
Speaker 2: Do you think I left anything on the table, any
Speaker 2: questions you want to answ.
Speaker 4: I kind of want to know what's going on with Kendra,
Speaker 4: but I'll leave that up to Google.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I bet at some point on
Speaker 1: her own podcast and when they are all ready to
Speaker 1: talk about if something is going on, whatever's going on,
Speaker 1: you'll probably get it over there.
Speaker 2: I'm dead ass serious. Though we talked about this in
Speaker 2: the interview.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool and also horrific that
Speaker 1: everybody has a podcast. I kind of wish that they
Speaker 1: would make microphones more expensive so that every asshole.
Speaker 2: In their mom's basement couldn't.
Speaker 1: Be talking about, well, you know what, women like they
Speaker 1: love to be treated like dogs. Trust me, bro from
Speaker 1: a room full of single idiots. Yeah, I don't love that,
Speaker 1: but I do like the competition.
Speaker 4: Ooh not competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, I told you about the job here. I said.
Speaker 1: I believe every year we should have a little Hunger
Speaker 1: Games thing going on where if you think, because you know,
Speaker 1: people love to tell us how to do our job,
Speaker 1: they love to tell us what we're not doing.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I want to have people come in and we compete
Speaker 1: for the job once a year, and if you're better
Speaker 1: than me, you get the job, and if you're not,
Speaker 1: you permanently shut the fuck up and let me do
Speaker 1: what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: Wait a second, can we talk about this on another Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sure, because you.
Speaker 4: Are a lutic.
Speaker 2: How's that alyttic?
Speaker 4: I mean, I get it, But no Hunger Games things
Speaker 4: coming out of me. Athletes do it.
Speaker 2: Athletes have to keep their job.
Speaker 1: You have to prove that you are up to par,
Speaker 1: that you can still hang in there and do things.
Speaker 1: And all these little like Monday morning quarterbacks, which I
Speaker 1: guess you can't even say Monday morning anymore because they.
Speaker 2: Still have football on Mondays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all these quarterbacks and like you know, backseat
Speaker 1: drivers and whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool. Come on, and we're not recording. Sure, yeah, hi, wow,
Speaker 2: we are still recording. That's Andrew.
Speaker 1: Everybody, go ahead, pull up to now, pull your ass
Speaker 1: up to a microphone. Now, come on, turn a micro here,
Speaker 1: I'll turn the mic on.
Speaker 2: You sit down. No, don't, don't, don't give up. Oh
Speaker 2: you're gonna go over there.
Speaker 5: I accidentally shut the recording.
Speaker 2: Off of the screen. That's okay. We don't use that anyway.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: Fun fact. If you are listening, yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1: Put it hit the green Yeah, fun fact. Get hold
Speaker 1: on that microphone. Oh my god, Andrew learned.
Speaker 2: Something about radio this guy. And I know everyone's hearing
Speaker 2: this too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also a podcast, not radio. But go off.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. We're in a radio studio. Can I help
Speaker 2: you with something?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: What were we even talking about?
Speaker 4: I don't remember all the holiday things? You would be out?
Speaker 1: I said, I believe that everybody should have to fight
Speaker 1: for their title to remain in whichever position they're in.
Speaker 5: Okay, listen, I agree with you entirely. I think people
Speaker 5: who comment on medical things, especially well, do you think
Speaker 5: you have this? I think you're actually suffering from this. Actually,
Speaker 5: what you need to know is this, No, we don't.
Speaker 5: You don't know what you're talking about. Where'd you get
Speaker 5: your medical degree from? Chances are you don't have one?
Speaker 2: You two university.
Speaker 5: I was thinking more web MD.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I'd be down for I think
Speaker 1: it's important. I was saying athletes have to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: firefighters and cops have to keep up with things. Why
Speaker 1: is it any different here?
Speaker 5: Well, so this is actually an interesting point that you
Speaker 5: bring up because I was watching CBS Sunday morning, and
Speaker 5: obviously all as millennials, I feel we all share some
Speaker 5: thing now where we feel the workforce is not moving on.
Speaker 5: Jobs are stagnating because people in who are older are
Speaker 5: not retiring the same, so it's clogging up. Then it's
Speaker 5: expensive exactly. But they're also saying millennials and gen zers
Speaker 5: are saying, oh, you know, they should take competency tests whatever.
Speaker 5: A lot of professions actually do do that, pilots especially. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but they actually noticed that a lot of people who
Speaker 5: are seventy five ish eighty ish, if you're passing these
Speaker 5: competency tests, which a lot of pilots are, they're mandatory,
Speaker 5: you cannot fly. But they can because the test says
Speaker 5: they still should. So I don't know. Just made me
Speaker 5: think about things where I was kind of like, we
Speaker 5: got to get all these older people out, but then
Speaker 5: you find out, no, they don't. They should still have jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it should be a competency.
Speaker 5: Kists are necessary.
Speaker 1: Yes, competency tests are important. I think specifically with politicians.
Speaker 1: I really wish that we were checking out what was
Speaker 1: going on with them. Why are you making that Faceimon?
Speaker 4: That was given very ageus. Okay, renee rap, you gotta
Speaker 4: slow it down.
Speaker 2: Are a super agents. There's a lot of ageism around
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 4: Yeah're sure.
Speaker 5: I don't discu but after I saw that, and you
Speaker 5: really see like, oh this is a problem, it's actually
Speaker 5: not a problem. And to Gandhi's point, they need to
Speaker 5: still make a living. So if you're mentally capable and
Speaker 5: you need the money, then please continue to work. That's
Speaker 5: why there's such a pilot shortage because we keep retiring them,
Speaker 5: but there's no younger pilots coming up.
Speaker 2: If you can do your job, do your job. If
Speaker 2: you cannot do your job, stop doing.
Speaker 5: I agree, and I don't think it's.
Speaker 2: Not rocket science. It's really not that difficult. It's super easy.
Speaker 2: I always get irritated because a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Around here that are like, oh my god, they've been
Speaker 1: here for so long, they just don't know what they're
Speaker 1: doing anymore, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of the times the people that.
Speaker 1: Are saying that also don't know what they're doing. They
Speaker 1: don't like how the system is, and I get that,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that they know how to fix
Speaker 1: it or do it any better. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of that. A lot of people around here are ageist. Listen,
Speaker 1: Andrew's like, oh my god, they're like forty. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you watch your fucking mouth.
Speaker 2: That one. I own up to it. We're all real
Speaker 2: close to this, okay, including you, buddy.
Speaker 5: I own up to it entirely. And I'm also saying
Speaker 5: that I've learned that that is not necessarily the case.
Speaker 5: So I am exposing myself and canceling myself, but also
Speaker 5: putting up my notes ap apology on my Instagram.
Speaker 4: Oh one, alrighty, here we go.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean we all see it right.
Speaker 1: A lot of especially you know, like the people who
Speaker 1: are rolling in in maybe like early twenties, they think
Speaker 1: everything is broken and everything is wrong, when the reality
Speaker 1: is a lot of what they're doing is broken and
Speaker 1: wrong and we've already tried it, but you don't know
Speaker 1: that because you haven't been here to realize that it's
Speaker 1: been tried and tested and it failed already. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I think everyone just needs to work together and have
Speaker 1: conversations and idea sharing and not be so close minded
Speaker 1: and think, Okay, there's a chits, I'm doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: Maybe I could hear what you're saying and go in
Speaker 1: that direction. Anyway, we're way down the path here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to edit the shit out of this, so.
Speaker 2: We do a burn book.
Speaker 1: I'm ready, Diamond, you had a burn book about someone's
Speaker 1: bathroom habits.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. There is a woman that we all
Speaker 4: know in some of us love that some of us
Speaker 4: don't exactly, that blows the bathroom up every single day,
Speaker 4: almost within the same time period every day.
Speaker 2: Well, at least she's consistentular I guess no.
Speaker 4: It surprised me. Okay, she's becoming a little bit too consistent.
Speaker 1: There's surprising stuff that happens in there. You know what
Speaker 1: happened to me when I walked in that bathroom today.
Speaker 4: Sickening, disgusting. It literally smells like she's rotting from the inside.
Speaker 4: I can't take it anymore, Andrew, That's how I feel
Speaker 4: every time I walk in and she's blown it up.
Speaker 4: And she's the type of person that clearly doesn't smell
Speaker 4: what comes out of her own body. She's immune to it,
Speaker 4: so she like wants to have conversations in the bathroom
Speaker 4: with people like miss I can barely breathe and you're
Speaker 4: trying to kill me. I can't breathe, and.
Speaker 2: It's you are positive it's the same person every.
Speaker 4: Time, every single fucking time. And you say it's loud,
Speaker 4: and the noises that come out of that woman, Oh,
Speaker 4: she like forces it out. Yes, yes, yeah, ah, consider
Speaker 4: yourself lucky if you've never been in there while it's happening.
Speaker 1: So I am very sensitive to terrible smells, specifically anything
Speaker 1: that has to do with poop and farts. Diamond was
Speaker 1: walking out of the stall as I walked into the
Speaker 1: bathroom today and she saw it happen.
Speaker 2: I was like, I had to turn around.
Speaker 1: I walked out of the bathroom and I stood outside
Speaker 1: just collecting myself, took a deep breath, ran inside, holding
Speaker 1: my breath, peede, wash my hands, run out.
Speaker 4: It's horrifying.
Speaker 2: Was it her?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I know those shoes anywhere.
Speaker 5: Oh for a second, say she doesn't wear shoes.
Speaker 4: No, I know those shoes.
Speaker 5: There is the men's room.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's just a known thing that men's
Speaker 5: rooms always smell bad. We have a couple of them.
Speaker 5: But to your extent, No, from what I've heard, it
Speaker 5: sounds like the women's room is bad like hell on Earth.
Speaker 4: But it's the same person over and over. That's the thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, remember the old place where the person used to
Speaker 5: just like diarrhea all over. I don't know what his
Speaker 5: asshole was doing when it would sit on the toilet seat,
Speaker 5: The seas would part Moses Sis and be like who yeah,
Speaker 5: And then you'd walk in and be like, what happened
Speaker 5: to you?
Speaker 4: How?
Speaker 2: I almost threw up this morning? It was terrible.
Speaker 1: I turned around and walked out, and our poor, our
Speaker 1: lovely cleaning woman, she's new. I've hit her at the
Speaker 1: door four days in a row, four days in a row.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I time it out perfectly that
Speaker 1: she is right there by the door when I walk
Speaker 1: into the bathroom hit her in the ass four times,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, I can't say sorry
Speaker 1: to you any more times. I'm so sorry I hit
Speaker 1: you again, and she's kind of like, great, I need
Speaker 1: buy her lunch or something. Yeah, some have a backpack
Speaker 1: to put on to take the impact of it. But anyway,
Speaker 1: woman in the bathroom, Diamond burns.
Speaker 4: You done because you've burned all of us disgusting.
Speaker 2: That's our sound effect. All right? Should we do ask
Speaker 2: me anything?
Speaker 5: Sure? Read e h A Carson's eighty one says, oh.
Speaker 2: I, oh, that's a statement.
Speaker 5: Hey, gandhi. This person asks what comes after?
Speaker 4: Oh? I oh? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you guys have any idea what that is?
Speaker 4: I just know Ohio Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ohio State University.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you see somebody with the shirt that is
Speaker 1: from Ohio State, you give them an oh. They will
Speaker 1: reply with an io if they're worth anything, and if
Speaker 1: they're not, they look at you like boo.
Speaker 4: What about if you're walking in the street and you hear.
Speaker 1: Go blue, I push them into the sewer. That happened
Speaker 1: with that old man down the hallway today. I know
Speaker 1: Diamond saw it. He was over here harassing me. About
Speaker 1: some stupid Michigan shit, and I was like, enough, Ean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about this anymore.
Speaker 5: Someone actually looked at me as you were walking wing
Speaker 5: goes you just saved her because you were starting the interview,
Speaker 5: and I walked over and I was like, your interview
Speaker 5: is starting now?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah he was. He was like scrolling through pictures
Speaker 2: from nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 4: And then I apologized because you didn't even want to
Speaker 4: go over there. I asked you to go with me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I got trapped.
Speaker 5: I got trapped in well h Carson eighty one IO.
Speaker 5: You do know that?
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, Well, I guess we will be
Speaker 1: back next week, probably with the guys from the Stuff
Speaker 1: They Don't Want You to Know podcast, and those guys
Speaker 1: are pretty interesting, so I.
Speaker 2: Think we'll have a good time. How do they find
Speaker 2: you online?
Speaker 4: Guys at Diamond? Since here on everything but.
Speaker 2: X, Andrew, you're calling it X.
Speaker 5: You stop calling you Twitter?
Speaker 4: Whatever?
Speaker 5: All right, I'm Andrew Pugg just on Instagram.
Speaker 2: At Baby Hot Sauce.
Speaker 1: If you can find me on Instagram, I am on X,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I've tweeted since it became X.
Speaker 2: How do you even say that I xed X. Can
Speaker 2: you tweet on x.
Speaker 1: X post I posted on X. I don't like that
Speaker 1: it's too generic. Anyway, do better, Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: We'll be back. Say bye everybody.
Speaker 4: Bye.