1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: day im Paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of I 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out, 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. Hi, I'm 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been on 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so 14 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Mankind has 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: had a fear of death for as long as man 16 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: has been living, and it's a bold promise to the 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: show to share with you Shades of the afterlife, evidence 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: of the afterlife. So on this very first episode, I 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: want to share a little bit about the purpose of 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: the show. Who I Am, some of the evidence that 21 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: I've collected why human beings have such a hard time 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: believing that it's possible for the afterlife to be real. 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: Will also meet Sonia and Aldi, who will be coming 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: to us from Brazil, who is the world's leading researcher 25 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: on collecting what's called trans images and audios and literally 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: that is collecting pictures and voices from people in the afterlife. 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: So as far as the purpose of the show, I know, 28 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: for myself, I have suffered deep grief. I have suffered 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: a fear of dying. And it is mankind's biggest question 30 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: is their life after death. So for me, I went 31 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: on a very personal journey, one that I wasn't going 32 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: to tell anybody about, and here I am now. I 33 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: believe with all my heart that if we don't have 34 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: a fear of dying, we won't have a fear of living. 35 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: And I've spoken to enough doctors who say the very 36 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: last thing before someone gets their general anesthesia and goes 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: under the knife, as they start looking back at their life, 38 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: the regrets they have had, things that they should have 39 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: done or shouldn't have done. And there's just so often 40 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: those regrets. So what would it be like to live 41 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: our life powerfully? Because we really know there is an afterlife. 42 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: So that might seem like a pretty big goal that 43 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm giving you this promise, but let's stick together. So 44 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: who am I? Well, my name is Sandra Champlain. Grew 45 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: up a pretty common life. Great parents, grew up with 46 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: this knowledge that there is no such thing as the afterlife. 47 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: We never embrace things like psychics and mediums. You know, 48 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: my parents told us about a local psychic who lived 49 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: in the town who gave an awful prediction, and kids 50 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: that stuff isn't real. So I grew up really as 51 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: a skeptic. And in my life, of course, I met 52 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: people that would claim to do great things and have 53 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: magical powers and believe in angels, and I simply just 54 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: laughed at them. However, when I was well, I don't 55 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: even know my age, but it was back in the 56 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: mid nineties. I have to do some math, I came 57 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: down with an incredible fear of dying. And now where 58 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: it came from, I'm not sure. We can speculate that 59 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: my grandfather had died, I had pets that had died, 60 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: and I had also worked in a nursing home and 61 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: saw a lot of death. But there I was living 62 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: with this unquenchable fear, and I'd go to bed it 63 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: and worried I wouldn't wake up in the morning and 64 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: what would happen to me. I'd look up at the 65 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: stars and see them and just think, oh my gosh, 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: what what would happen if I were to end? And 67 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it was just extremely fear driven. I 68 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: started on a path, very secretly, looking for evidence of 69 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: the afterlife, very selfishly, just something to quench my fears. 70 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: I started out looking through science and through religion. Maybe 71 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: somebody knew something and that could help me. Unfortunately, I 72 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: found lots of good stories of faith, and from science, 73 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 1: I first found a lot of reasons not to believe 74 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: in the afterlife, but I didn't stop looking, as coincidences 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: would happen. I met some nice people seemed a little 76 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: strange believed in this airy fairy stuff. But one of 77 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: them actually got me interested in the world of mediumship. 78 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: She took me to a stage medium who I knew 79 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: that it must be all a scam and a hoax, 80 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: you know how skeptics think. And from the woman, she 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: would bring through communications from different loved ones that were 82 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: so specific, I mean really specific, that my mind started 83 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: being open two, could this be real? Didn't cost a 84 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: lot of money, She wasn't trying to sell anything. And 85 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that the people that accepted the communication 86 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: or some kind of plants in the audience. I just 87 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. So very secretly, very privately, and with 88 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: that fear of dying, I took a flight from my 89 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: home and the East coast Massachusetts out to California and 90 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: spent money I didn't have and took a course in mediumship. 91 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: One of the first things that was done was an 92 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: explanation that this insible world around us, literally the hereafter, 93 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: is where our loved ones reside. It is an energy 94 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: like we're all made up of energy, but just different 95 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: vibrating at a different frequency. So the leader told us 96 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: that we were going to she was going to demonstrate 97 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: how we do mediumship, and she says, everybody, get a partner. 98 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: So I didn't know anybody in the room. I took 99 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: the hands of a decent looking woman and she says, 100 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: all I want you to do is use your imagination, 101 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: hold the person's hand, invent that there's someone standing behind them, 102 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: have to be nice, introduce yourself in your mind because 103 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: we are still people with feelings in the afterlife. And 104 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: she says, all I want you to do is invent 105 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: who the person is, maybe a little bit about their life, 106 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: maybe how they died, and maybe there's a message for 107 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: your partner. So with my eyes closed, I had no 108 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: fear of using my imagination. I'm a chef by trade, 109 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: and so that was easy to do. I simply invented 110 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: that her grandfather on her mother's side was standing behind her. 111 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: I saw him in my mind's eye. He had blonde hair, 112 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: blue eyes, big gap between his front teeth. I saw 113 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: him on a fishing boat, and I saw him puffing 114 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: a big cigarette. And I said to her, I said, 115 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: I get the feeling this man, his name is yahn 116 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Is from Denmark, described what he looked like and said 117 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: he died of lung cancer. And now I've had my 118 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: eyes closed this whole time, so I didn't see any reaction. 119 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: And then I said, he wants me to tell you 120 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: that he never told your mom that he loved her. 121 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: He was just one of those dad's But could you 122 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: give her the message? So I opened my eyes ready 123 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: to say, okay, it's your turn to go. And my 124 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: partner had streams of tears running down her cheeks. Her 125 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: grandfather's name was Jan. He was a fisherman in Denmark. 126 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: Died of lung cancer and fit the description that my 127 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: friend opened me up to. There is more to life 128 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: than meets the eye, and obviously there must be more 129 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: to me than I know. So I started on a journey, 130 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: an expedition. Really, what else can I collect? Throughout the 131 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: course of the show, we will touch on some different 132 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: things that I've experienced, but things like electronic voice phenomena. 133 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: There's a whole world of mediums, not just evidential that 134 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: I've discovered, near death experiences, reincarnation, there's something called induced 135 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: after death communications, their deathbed visitations, and there's a whole 136 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: host of other reasons, real reasons to believe. With all 137 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: of this, my fear was quenched. I was at peace 138 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: in my heart of hearts. I knew it would be 139 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: a nice thing to tell other people about this, but 140 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I had too much fear 141 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: of what other people would think about me believing in 142 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: this woo woo stuff, so I kept my mouth shut. 143 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: Fast forward two thousand ten, my dear dad gets diagnosed 144 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: with cancer, has a tumor that actually broke apart part 145 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: of his back, and unfortunately, I witnessed him die a 146 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: horrific death. In that time, my loving siblings and I 147 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: started fighting like you hear about, but it didn't get better, 148 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: and when my dad finally passed and took his last breath, 149 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: not only did I lose the relationship with my dad, 150 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: but my siblings as well. Happy to see a most 151 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: of those relationships have come around. But I know now 152 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: that each one of us human beings is on our 153 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: own personal journey in life. At that point, I didn't 154 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: know that I hit an all time low went through 155 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: severe grief depression. I wasn't going to end my own life, 156 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: but I thought, I can understand how people feeling this 157 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: low might think that that's the best option. Knowing that 158 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: that's not me and something really has changed because Sandra 159 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: is normally this happy, go lucky, nice, easygoing person. I 160 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: decided to study the grieving process. I found out things 161 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: like our brain chemistry changes when we grieve. We actually 162 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: can become different people, our sense of reality changes, and 163 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: put this might not be the best way to compare it, 164 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: but if you imagine someone who has had a drug 165 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: addiction and you pull them off that drug. They go 166 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: through withdrawal. Their brain, their mind, their body all has 167 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: to change to this new reality. The same things happens 168 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: with grief. I learned to have compassion with myself and others, 169 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: and I was able to find some things that helped 170 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: move me through the grieving process. Being the good person 171 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: I am. I decided to share this an audio called 172 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: how to Survive Grief, which you can easily find on YouTube, 173 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: and with that I had many people write me not 174 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: only did it help ease their pain and give them 175 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: hope that they chose not to commit suicide armed with 176 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: this information. I had a moral choice and my choice 177 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: was to get this information as far as I could, 178 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: And I figured, if I could be courageous, write a 179 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: book title it we Don't Die, A skeptics Discovery of 180 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Life after Death, share my reasons of believing in the afterlife, 181 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: slip in chapter ten, which is how to Survive Grief 182 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: and a little more, and then conclude the book with 183 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: who are we? What is our life for? And how 184 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: to have the most meaningful life while we're here? As 185 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: miracles happen. I meet a publisher, didn't know how to 186 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: write a book. Everything lined up, which looking back, I 187 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: think I was really being supported by this unseen world 188 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: and maybe even my dad. The book quickly became an 189 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: international bestseller and has gone on to help heal the 190 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: hearts of many. I've been on the quest for several years, 191 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: even after the book was published, collecting more and more 192 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: and more of It's so where I am now, all 193 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: I want to do is give it away. I want 194 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: to give it away so that you are comforted to 195 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: know that you don't die. Your loved ones have not died, 196 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: They've just changed forms. You are surrounded by an invisible 197 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: team of people. If you could only see them, you 198 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't believe how much support you have. But your life 199 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: is for living. I playfully think that we all come 200 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: to Earth to learn things, to learn, to forgive, to 201 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: have emotions. If you imagine this place called heaven or 202 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: the hereafter is such a great place, you can have 203 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: everything you want. Eventually that becomes boring. So there's this 204 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: place called Earth that you forget who you really are, 205 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: and you get all these experiences to collect and put 206 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: in your backpack. Kay, Unfortunately we forget that we created 207 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: this game. It's very, very difficult and so many people 208 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: take their last breath with regrets. I don't want that 209 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: to happen to you. Don't want it to happen to me. 210 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: It's a pretty fun, pretty amazing this world called the afterlife. 211 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: And if you are willing to come on this adventure, 212 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: I promise you your life will never be the same. 213 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 214 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast AM para normal podcast network. 215 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. 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That's Coast to Coast am dot com. 226 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: And now back to Sandra sham Plain and Shades of 227 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 228 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Sanders sham Plain. Did you know that when Thomas Edison 229 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: was dying, he leaned in and whispered to his physician, 230 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: it is very you a full over there. Edison was 231 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: a scientist with a factual cast of mind. He never 232 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: reported anything as fact until he saw it work. He 233 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: would have never reported it is very beautiful over there, 234 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: unless having seen he knew it to be true. Also, 235 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs, just before he passed, looked over his sister's 236 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: shoulder and said, oh wow, oh wow, oh wow. On 237 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: Martha Atkins ted talk titled More to Dying Than Meets 238 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: the Eye, she tells the story of a boy dying 239 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: in a pediatric hospice in San Antonio, Texas. The boy 240 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: complained to the nurse, those boys in the corner are 241 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: making too much noise. The nurse looked over and there 242 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: was no one in the corner of the room, and 243 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: she asked him who is there? And he named off 244 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: three names of three boys who had been in that 245 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: hospice room before he got there. So, why in the 246 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: world is it so hard for us human beings to 247 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: believe in the afterlife. I think personally, we have to 248 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: learn things gradually and have enough people to believe it, 249 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: and a tipping point occurs. If you think back. We 250 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: weren't around in these days, but poor Magellan circumnavigated the 251 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: globe giving people the message the Earth is round, and 252 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: nobody believed him. Horville and Wilbur Wright long dreamed of 253 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: creating a flying machine. They spent four years scientifically studying 254 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: and building and testing, all the while people laughed and 255 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: said birds fly, men cannot fly. On December see they 256 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: successfully completed their first flight. Then for an additional five 257 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: years they are ridiculed in the United States, no one 258 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: willing to believe they had done the impossible. Thankfully, in night, 259 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: their first public display of flight was seen in the 260 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: skies over the city of Lama, France, and aviation was born. 261 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: Things like electricity, even the computer, and I believe it 262 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: or not, indoor plumbing were laughed at and people said 263 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: it couldn't be possible. There's a great quote from Arthur 264 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: Schopenhauer that goes all truth passes through three stages. First 265 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third, it is 266 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: accepted as being self evident like it's always been. How 267 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: many of us get on an airplane and take it 268 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: for granted. How many of us turn on our light 269 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: switch and take it for granted. How many of us 270 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: have these great gadgets called mobile phones and we take 271 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: it for granted. I remember as a kid going to 272 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: Disney World and walking up to a kiosk. This was 273 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: a long time ago, and you could actually touch the 274 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: screen and somebody's face came up and they could see me, 275 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: and I was talking to them. I was blown away 276 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: and couldn't believe that such a thing existed. And I 277 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: still remember that moment now so many years forward. It's 278 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: just natural. We call it FaceTime. So I believe we 279 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: have to learn things gradually and again, have enough people 280 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: believe in it, and a tipping point will occur. So 281 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit more about this afterlife. Through 282 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: all the investigations and all the studies I've done, this 283 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: world we call the afterlife or the hereafter, which is 284 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: a great name for it. It's a real place and 285 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: gy cannot be destroyed. So if you think of a 286 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: puddle of water and it's there one day, gone the next, 287 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: it's because it changed forms, right you think of a 288 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: log burning in the fire. The log disappears, but heat remains. 289 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: Science has proven that energy cannot be destroyed. You and I, 290 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: my friends, we are masses of energy. We have a consciousness, 291 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: We have a mind. We do have a body. But 292 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: those things, that element, that bag of bones, if you 293 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: want to call it that, that is our vehicle for 294 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: this lifetime. It will die, it will disappear. But there's 295 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: a part of us that goes on, and that part 296 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: of us is called our soul. Can't be seen. Can 297 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: it be detected, Yeah, it can be detected. Those are 298 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: our areas, ball our psychic investigation, our remote viewing, all 299 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: of those instinct kinds of things. I believe that all 300 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: how happens at a soul level. So these people that 301 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: are great mediums, they are connecting to the souls of 302 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: other people. You know that you've got a soul and 303 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: that you've got instinct and you have intuition. How often 304 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: have you met somebody and right away you can tell 305 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: like them, don't like them? That is our gut instinct, 306 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: That is our soul speaking. So what happens, I believe 307 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: when we take our last breath, we simply close our 308 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: eyes to this life and we open them in the hereafter. 309 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: Our loved ones, our pets, our guides. Everyone's there to 310 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: greet us as if we're crossing the finish line. It's 311 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: a great reunion and we realize who we really are 312 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: when we cross over this world that has been invisible 313 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: to us as human beings now becomes visible. That becomes 314 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: our new reality. When we think back of our life 315 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: and when we visit our loved ones, it now makes 316 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: this life seem like just a dream. My day job 317 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: is working with race car teams as a chef. One 318 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: of the race car drivers actually had had a near 319 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: death experience. He got into a very bad car accident 320 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: and ended up going into the hospital, went into a coma, 321 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: died somewhere along the way, and he explains it that 322 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: his grandmother and grandfather were there to greet him. He said, 323 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: it really was like this world was just a dream, 324 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: a distant memory. Now he was able to see himself 325 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: lying in the coma with his mom and dad and 326 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: brother praying by the bedside. But he knew it would 327 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: be pretty great going with Graham and Gramps. He chose 328 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: to come back to Earth. But when he came back 329 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: and had that memory. Of course, he had lots of 330 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: pain and there was lots of healing to be done. 331 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: He was able to live his life with out that 332 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: fear of dying, so he didn't have a fear of living. 333 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: So he put his foot on the pedal and he 334 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: won a ton of championships in racing. And while I'm 335 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: not looking for you to go two hundred and forty 336 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: miles in your life, it is something where where have 337 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: you not pushed the envelope? Where have you not gone 338 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: after a dream? Where have you not told a loved 339 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: one that you love them? Those kind of things, So 340 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: go after your dreams. Life is really short. Somebody once 341 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: said that our life is but a thread in the 342 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: fabric of our soul. So there's a much bigger picture. 343 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: You can't die for the life of you, as it said, 344 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: what happens next? Well, I believe there is a life review. 345 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: I don't believe personally in Heaven for you, Hell for you. 346 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: I think our life on earth is pretty tough and 347 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: this could be the worst of it. In the worst 348 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: of times, our soul actually judges our journey. So we 349 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: get to actually have a life review. We get to 350 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: see our life through the lens and through the emotions 351 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: of the people we impacted. So those of us who 352 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: have lied to another person, we get to feel it. 353 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: And you don't punish yourself, but you say, you know 354 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: what I could have done better? And then after you 355 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: go through those negative things, you go through the positive things. 356 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: You see all those times that you've made a difference 357 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: for another where you paid it forward and no one 358 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: ever knew about the little things that you've done. You 359 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: get to see the ripple effect and you get to 360 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: see the difference that you've made in other people's lives. 361 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: Death is nothing to fear, but life is something to 362 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: be lived. And if you have your mobile phone handy, 363 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: take a look at it. It's connected to an unseen world. 364 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: You can call them radio waves, internet signal, WiFi. I 365 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: know we many of us have GPS technology. There is 366 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: a invisible world around us, and our loved ones are 367 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: there too. When we transition to this world unseen, the afterlife, 368 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: the good news is that we get to continue being 369 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: us now. I know we all have that little voice 370 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: in our head that tells us we're not good enough, 371 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: we're not tall enough, we're not smart enough. That side 372 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: of us that skeptical side of ourselves, aside that oh, 373 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: isn't our best friend, isn't our biggest champion? That negative 374 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: self talk. Well happy to report that that part disappears 375 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: and what's left is your radiant personality, your sense of humor, 376 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: and you are in a land of unconditional love. I 377 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: do believe that we go through education when we go over. 378 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't think we need to go to any kind 379 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: of big healing. Those who have passed at their own 380 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: hands and that is suicide, as well as people that 381 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: pass naturally or in an accident. We are all greeted 382 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: by loving people. So if you have a child that 383 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: now resides in the afterlife, they are being looked after 384 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: as all of our loved ones are. We get to 385 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: be the best age of our lives. We get to 386 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: be in our best health, our best fitness. If we 387 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: had glasses, good news, we don't have them in the afterlife. 388 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: For our loved ones who reside there, there is no 389 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: sense of time. And we've heard this talked about many times, 390 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: and it's hard for the mind to get around. But 391 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: for us, our lifetime might be just a blink of 392 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: an eye for them, and I guess we'll know it 393 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: once we get there. But for all of us who 394 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: are desperate to have a sign from our loved one, 395 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: I know our loved one wants us to be happy 396 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: and wants us to know that they have survived depth. 397 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: So my goal also is to give you some tools 398 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: to better connect or start the connection with your loved one. 399 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 1: One of the ways our loved ones can communicate with 400 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: us is through our imagination. Now, have you ever felt 401 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: like your loved one was sitting on the couch with you, 402 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: or you're waking up in the morning or just before 403 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: you go to bed, or maybe in your dream that 404 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: they're there. They seem alive and well and real. A 405 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: sure way to know it's a communication coming from them 406 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: is if it is pleasant, if it's something negative, if 407 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: it's a nightmare, chances are that's from your subconscious. Our 408 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: loved ones communicate with us through our imagination. So if 409 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: you want to get started and having a connection with 410 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: your loved one across the veil, here's my recommendation. Take 411 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: some time and quiet your mind. It's difficult. Our minds 412 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: want to think about the past and worry about the future. 413 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: Concentrate on your breath. If you want to imagine yourself 414 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: sitting on a park bench and again, imagine that's the sense, 415 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: and invite your loved one in. Your loved one is 416 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: probably delighted that you're listening to this show right now 417 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: and is anxious to get in touch with you. Let 418 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: you know that they are there. A good practice is 419 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: quieting the mind, paying attention to your breath, not thinking 420 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: about the past, not thinking about the future. And imagine 421 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: your loved one sitting in a chair with you, or 422 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: imagine them right next to you, and invite them to 423 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: step closer and closer and closer, and maybe touch you 424 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: on the head, kiss you on the cheek, Stay quiet, 425 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: stay present, and you actually be able to feel sometimes 426 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: their energy. Now, I don't think when we cross over 427 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: we get all knowledge and all power, So this is 428 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: work for them too. But be patient, will you. There's 429 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: a whole world to explore, and I'm so grateful you're 430 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: on this journey with us. I don't know if you've 431 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: seen the movie Defending Your Life. It's a pretty funny 432 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: movie about life in the afterlife. Now there, you can 433 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: eat all the food you want to eat and never 434 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: gain a pound. I don't know if that's true In 435 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: the afterlife. But from what I'm told, we don't need 436 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: our physical bodies, although we are we do have bodies there. 437 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: We don't need to eat, we don't need to need 438 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: to drink. We certainly can if we want to. From 439 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: those that I've talked to that have had near death experiences, 440 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: they really can't describe this, the feeling they have when 441 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: they're there. There's colors that we don't have in our 442 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: color spectrum. Here, there's sounds and music that we can't hear. 443 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: Now it's the like notes we don't have. There is 444 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: this feeling that everything is alive, and that everything is energy. 445 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: We can have the house of our dreams. We can 446 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: learn whatever we want whenever we want. We can travel 447 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: where her we want to be, just with thought. In fact, 448 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: we can communicate with our loved ones both there and 449 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: here by way of thought. It sounds pretty wonderful, right, 450 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: although we shouldn't be in a hurry to get there. 451 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: In fact, so many people say there are countless souls 452 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: waiting to come to Earth to have the experience we're 453 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: having now. I think we've simply forgot. But after today 454 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: we can look at life in a whole new way. 455 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: I'll be back in just a moment and we'll hear 456 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: from the great Sonya and Aldi about how she records 457 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: voices and images from the afterlife. 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I'm Sander Champlain, 475 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: and I'd like to introduce you to someone very special. 476 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: Son You're an Aldi is the founder of the Ronaldi Institute. 477 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: She is the author of seventeen books and has been 478 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: participating in research on instrumental trans communication for over thirty years, 479 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: getting the best results in the world, both in recording 480 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: images and voices from people who are no longer with 481 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: us on Earth. Sonya's commitment and devotion to her research 482 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: are unparalleled to any other person I have ever met, 483 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: and I know you'll love her just as much as 484 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: I do. Son You're an Aldi, Welcome to Shades of 485 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. So, Sonja, tell us a little bit about 486 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: your story. I know over thirty years ago you got started, 487 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: but what had you get started in wanting to collect 488 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: voice is from the deceased? Yeah, in truth, I heard 489 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: that there existed this type of experiment experimentation going on 490 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,239 Speaker 1: on Europe, and I thought, is that possible that we 491 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: could record voices from the deceasity once? And then I said, well, 492 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: if this is true, I will try to And if 493 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: it this is true, it is such an amazing discovery 494 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: because it is something solid. It's just not something that 495 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: you have to believe you have something solid on what 496 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: you can trust. So I started recording, and for three 497 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: years I don't know if it didn't happen anything, or 498 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: if it happened and I didn't know what to expect. 499 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: The factor is that I had the patience of crossing 500 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: these three years without any result, and then things have 501 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: started happening. The voices started to speaking, and now thirty 502 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: years years later, we have wonderful contact to seeing the 503 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: images and voices and everything. Oh, it's amazing. I've been 504 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: following your work for quite some time and have been 505 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: blessed that we've actually met and have been on stage together. 506 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: So this is great. What kind of equipment were you using? 507 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: Were you using just a regular tape recorder? No? When 508 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: I started, yes, it was the type at the time 509 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: of the tape recorders and so but precently I think 510 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: that our technology on Earth developed this so much that 511 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: sometimes I just use a cell phone nothing else. Mainly 512 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: to record images. I just use aultitlary cell phone. And uh, 513 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: it is because we have to understand that is project, 514 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: let's say, is something from the other side they do. 515 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: Let's say they are responsible for doing ninety eight percent 516 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: of the work. So our cooperation is a minimum one. 517 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: It is just two percent, perhaps, which is just maybe 518 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: to turn on turn on the equipment and uh put 519 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: their disposal some good equipment, but nothing especial. And I 520 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: think that this is important because what they're doing, I suppose, 521 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: is to to test and get better in the technology 522 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: so that in future they can reach lots of people. 523 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: So they are testing and to developing, and that's what 524 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: I am co operating. Well, you mentioned the three years 525 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: of not getting any results, and I know a little 526 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: bit about your story and the scientists on the other 527 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: side that work with you. Your commitment, Sonja shows so 528 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: clearly that you are someone i'd want to work with 529 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: if I was a scientist on the other side. So 530 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: you must have that commitment. Yes, for sure, I think that, 531 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: as I say, our importance is very small, but maybe 532 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: the only thing that they need from us is the commitment, 533 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: is the dedication, the seriousness, good intention. I think that 534 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: these will determine what we'll get as results. That's right, 535 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: And I know for myself at one point I was 536 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: really interested in electronic voice phenomena e v P, and 537 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: I studied, I did work, I spent thousands of hours, 538 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: and I did get voices. I know we all want 539 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: to hear from our loved ones, and it isn't as 540 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: simple as just picking up your cell phone and recording, 541 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: although occasionally it can be. Sonia, could you talk about 542 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: the other side, how they work with you, and maybe 543 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: a little bit about the scientists. Yeah. In truth, what 544 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: we whether I learned in all these years, is that 545 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: there are stations, transmissions stations in the other side. Um. 546 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: I am now in contact with with three of them. 547 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: Initially I started with the Southeast station that was for 548 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: South America. And then when in two thousand fourteen when 549 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: Tesla was announced to be the new coordinator for all 550 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: transmissions to Earth, and then the thing is, you started 551 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: accelerating in progress in truth from that time. I I 552 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: think that from that time to tow now we have 553 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 1: the best results. So, uh, we know that it comes 554 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: from North Station, and there is another station over a 555 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: Europe which is called Central Station. And I think that 556 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: people sometimes has difficulty in understanding that the other side 557 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: has physical laboratories, physical houses. It's just a real life 558 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: and I know that people has difficult to understand it. 559 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: But I think that in the spirit is literature, this 560 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: is very clear and they are some way solid, not 561 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: as solid as we are, but they are always they 562 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: are able. They have equiments, they develop equiments in the 563 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: other side, so it is something solid. So the transmission 564 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: to us is something that requires huge technology that we 565 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: humans are really far. It's still but I think that 566 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: what they show to us, what did they show to 567 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: be able to do it is something absolutely impossible for 568 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: us to fake or for us to produce artificially, because 569 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: it is a huge technology, the transmission. It's just something 570 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: that it really require a huge transmission stations and genius 571 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: in the other side, inventers like it Isla and others. 572 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: Could you talk about Tesla just a little bit, how 573 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: you know it was him? Because I know you've sent 574 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,959 Speaker 1: me a picture that I have to have you explain, okay, 575 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: in truth by this time two thousand footeen once in 576 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: a recording lovely one and this is any one Mr Murray, 577 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: you know his wife Betty and from Canada, Canada. He 578 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: said that Tesla was aside him, And then I thought 579 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: to myself, Tesla, which Tesla? Is that possible? Nicola Tesla? No, 580 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: it is impossible to imagine if it Tesla would be 581 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: contacting me, if he would be in the stage and 582 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: so on. But after all things started improving so much 583 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: that it was quite clear that something happened due to 584 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: technologies were being tested. And later he appeared in transimations 585 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 1: as well, younger, beautiful, smiling in photos that they're never 586 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: existed the on earth, and that is how he appeared. 587 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: And he is very generous. He helps us mainly with 588 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: his knowlogy and his abilities, obviously, but many times he 589 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: replies questions and helps the lovely ones to appear. So 590 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: that is Tesla, Oh, I love it. And you had 591 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: said he had never smiled in a photograph that was 592 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: taken while he was alive, and in your trans images 593 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: he is smiling. I think that's just great. Sonia. You 594 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that Anne did her husband come through as the 595 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: older man. No, usually owe them all the lovely ones 596 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: appeared much younger, and in his stick case, Mr Murray 597 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: died with the age of seventy seven years old, but 598 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: he appeared as when he was some twenty five and 599 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: his wife sent me some pictures of his of their 600 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: marriage and when he was the age and more or 601 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: less twenty five years old, and it was absolutely the 602 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: same person. So they come younger Tesla also and to 603 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: cool viously, the young people, teenagers and people who die 604 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: do with the age of advent twenty five years old. 605 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: They are appearing as child. I think that maybe it 606 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: is a way to prove the authenticity because all those images, 607 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 1: all those photos, let's say the family doesn't have so 608 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: it is something that they recognize because it is their child, 609 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: but it is nothing that they have at home. So yes, 610 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: they usually come younger. That's wonderful, which tells us, as 611 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: many reports to, when we transition to the afterlife, we 612 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: get to be any age we want. We get to 613 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: be in the best health. If we had glasses that 614 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: we don't have to wear them, if we are in 615 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: a wheelchair, we can walk. Sonya Back in the earlier days, 616 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: you worked with thousands of parents, mostly mothers, connecting them 617 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 1: to their children. I know you have done this free 618 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 1: of charge. In fact, everything you do is free of charge, 619 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 1: and thank you for that. Could you talk a little 620 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: about those recordings and the voices that would come through 621 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: to the parents. Yes, um, In truth, I started with 622 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,399 Speaker 1: the voices right. For many many years, I not even 623 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: knew or expected that one day I would record videos 624 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: and images. So I think that the audio was the 625 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: most known, and I started with that and for many 626 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: years before I know you, before I before they lappeared. 627 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: I used it to help here many many moms, and 628 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 1: I developed myself of many technologies, so that for some 629 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: two or three years I assisted mothers that could the 630 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: telephone was the telephone to phone in my house, and 631 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: then I put in contact what their child children, and 632 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: they could talk to the children, and I was recording 633 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 1: everything that she was put in the question and so 634 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: and then I give back all the results to them 635 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: and so on. Later more recently we changed obviously all 636 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: the technology because we've developed this as well. But yes, 637 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm getting some audioce for for the parents. Is also 638 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: in the United States. And I have the pleasure of 639 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 1: being assisting many mothers, some that you know, of course, 640 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: And uh I think that uh yes, And I don't 641 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: have to charge because this work is not mine, but 642 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: I think that it doesn't matter. I think that it 643 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: is their work from the other side. Well, that's one 644 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 1: thing I know about you. You credit the other side. 645 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: But I know you you're very busy and you're working NonStop. 646 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: And I have met many of the parents who you 647 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 1: have reunited with their children. When we come back, we're 648 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: going to talk about the images that you capture and 649 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: even I'm happy to say images of my father have 650 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: come through. Sonja and I will be back in just 651 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: a minute. You are listening to Shades of the Afterlife 652 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Media and Coast to Coast a 653 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: M Paranormal podcast network. Don't go anywhere, there's more Shades 654 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:39,280 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife coming right up. 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All the infos waiting 663 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: for you now at Coast to Coast am dot com. 664 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: That's Coast to Coast a M dot com, the best 665 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: afterlife information you can get well. Shades of the Afterlife 666 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:35,919 Speaker 1: with Sandra Champlain. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 667 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are discussing recording images and 668 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: voices from the afterlife with Brazilian researcher Sonja and Aldi Sonya. 669 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk about these images. I first met you at 670 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: an afterlife conference from our friends at the Afterlife Research 671 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: and Education Institute also known as a r e I, 672 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: and I was so excited to meet you when you 673 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: did your presentation, I couldn't believe that you're also recording 674 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: pictures of people in the afterlife. Could you tell us 675 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: about that? Yes, I think that we met um exactly 676 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,800 Speaker 1: at the moment that the things were changing here for better. 677 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: That was the let's say, I think that my life 678 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: is divided into before Tesla and after Tesla, and I 679 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: think that your coincided precisely when I Tesla was announced 680 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: and so on, and up to that moment, I was 681 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: recording imagees but they were nothing very very special. But 682 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: after Tesla was announced, for God's sake, I think that 683 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,399 Speaker 1: there are images that you are not. You don't know 684 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: if they are a photo from Earth or if it 685 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: is from the other side. The only difference is that 686 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: the person is diseased and nobody has that photo. But 687 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: it is the technology that they are using for showing 688 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: themselves in the other side too and is smiling and happy. 689 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: And I think that this is a great console to 690 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: the family because sometimes they don't trust, not even that 691 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: the son or daughter is alive. And when they see 692 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: the daughter or son is smiling, oh my, I think 693 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:44,280 Speaker 1: that dis incredible. When you first started with trans images, 694 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: I know you've done different kinds of experiments. What were 695 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: you recording? Were you recording static from a television screen 696 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,800 Speaker 1: or a computer? I think that I have done already 697 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: everything that is possible. Uh, And it very beginning. I 698 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 1: was recording a device that I don't think that doesn't 699 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: exist anymore, but it was something like a television with 700 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 1: a noisy is no right right? And um later I 701 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,319 Speaker 1: went into television recorded for many many years also, and 702 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,919 Speaker 1: then we started changing using cloths and brilliant papers and 703 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: everything that shine makes possible for the other side to 704 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:37,759 Speaker 1: manipulated the photoms and created the images. So basically the 705 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: images are result of the manipulation of the photos which 706 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: is a very unbelievable technology that they possess. That sounds 707 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: a little like what I know about electronic voice phenomena 708 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,280 Speaker 1: is that the other side takes the voice or sound, 709 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: whether it is gibberish that you've read ordered and they're 710 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: able to rearrange it, so it seems like it must 711 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: be similar to what they do with video or pictures, 712 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: rearranging the snow in the pictures. Am I right exactly? 713 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: With the difference that possibly, or at least under our 714 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: point of view, the manipulation of the photons is much 715 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: more complicated than the manipulation of wave sound. The velocity 716 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: is different between sound and light, and obviously it is 717 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: required something much much more complicated, mainly to produce colorful ivenges, 718 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: and more recently in movement, some heads over the lovely 719 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: ones move move the head that they move the mouth 720 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 1: as if they were speaking, and so all these is uh, 721 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: the manipulation of light. That's amazing. And I've been able 722 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 1: to follow you in your e magazines emacs as you 723 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: call them, and if you want to see some of 724 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,799 Speaker 1: these images, go to Ronaldi Institute dot org. There's so 725 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 1: many things there. We are even filming a documentary on 726 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: Sonya's work, because for the skeptical mind, this sounds like 727 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: something too good to be true. However it is true. Sonia. 728 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little about the Milligan experiment and 729 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: about the egg that you use and some of the 730 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,399 Speaker 1: trans images that have come from that experiment. Yes, I 731 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 1: was working with blessed egg and one day, in one 732 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: event in Boston from the your from you, I I 733 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 1: was talking to Scott Liligan and he made a surprise 734 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: to me and he bought the equipment that I was 735 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:09,720 Speaker 1: missing for carrying on a new experiment, which is uh 736 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,319 Speaker 1: not an egg anymore, but domes and these instructions of 737 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: about the domes were sent by his guide, Daniel Scott's 738 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 1: Scott Milligan's guide, Daniel sent me to use domes and water, 739 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 1: and so I did, and very very impressive images happened 740 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: in these what I call it Milligan experiments. I've been 741 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: grateful to watch the process. Scott Milligan is the world's 742 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: leading physical medium and trance medium, and while he was 743 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: in the trance state with his eyes closed, a team 744 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: of scientists used Scott's voice and gave Sonja the next 745 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 1: instructions for her experiment. It still gives me goose bumps 746 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: to this day to be part of this. So for me, 747 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: I've seen hundreds of images from the Milligan experiment and 748 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: in my mind, the person I really wanted to see 749 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,120 Speaker 1: was my dad. Sonja very often sends out pictures of 750 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: unknown people that she's captured through her experiments. Several of 751 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: them looked similar to my dad, but I wasn't convinced, 752 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,600 Speaker 1: so I asked Dad in the afterlife if he could 753 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,880 Speaker 1: work a little harder, go to Brazil and meet up 754 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,799 Speaker 1: with Sonja, And to my surprise, Sonya sends me a 755 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 1: video of static materializing into my dad's face and then 756 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,840 Speaker 1: it goes away. It is crystal clear, almost identical to 757 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 1: a picture we have of him when he was in 758 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 1: his late twenties or early thirties. But the picture we 759 00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,720 Speaker 1: have he's looking straight into the camera. This train image, 760 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: he's looking off to the side. Of course it's him, 761 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 1: and Sonia's sent me another picture of him looking just 762 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 1: a little bit older. Sonia, as a recipient, I know 763 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: your work takes me from a place of having a 764 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: belief and a faith in the afterlife to absolutely knowing 765 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: that the afterlife is real. Could you tell us about 766 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: the work you're passionate about doing now? Yes? I think 767 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 1: that into something so curious that after days La was announced. 768 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,839 Speaker 1: I think that in each recording that I make there 769 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:46,640 Speaker 1: is an advicement something, uh, new, always something new, and 770 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,360 Speaker 1: more recently, um not only they are sending an image 771 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,840 Speaker 1: in as it was the case of your debt, but 772 00:54:55,120 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 1: also recently many loved you one us a clearing in 773 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 1: different ages of their own life. I recorded for some 774 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:16,439 Speaker 1: American months, and their daughters are something like let's say, 775 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 1: uh one was Rochelle. Rochelle died with the age of 776 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: twenty one, and then she appeared in an image absolutely 777 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,240 Speaker 1: beautiful with it let's say fifteen years old, and then twelve, 778 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 1: and then nine and then six, so I think she 779 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 1: went back back in time and with very clear images. 780 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: And then when I sent it to the family the 781 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,920 Speaker 1: trans images, the family sent me some pictures when she 782 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 1: was a little child, and it is precisely the same person. 783 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 1: And obviously I didn't see these uh image photos before. 784 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 1: So is a new phenomenon that is happening, and it's 785 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 1: just something that we cannot explain. How it happens, we 786 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 1: don't know, but it is comforting many months, it's wonderful, 787 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 1: and you and I have met so many people that 788 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: have received these images. I know we will never heal 789 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: completely from grief and will always miss our loved one, 790 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: but your work brings so much comfort and lets us 791 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: know that our loved ones are alive and we will 792 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: see them again. Sonia, can you tell us one of 793 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: your favorite stories about a reconnection with a parent and 794 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 1: a child. Okay, I have a very interesting affected that 795 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 1: happened three days ago, so it is very fresh. It 796 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: was this way. I made this on the recordings to 797 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,880 Speaker 1: a mother college Robin from the United States. She lost 798 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:03,760 Speaker 1: her daughter Roban entit h of eighteen with brain tumor, 799 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:10,279 Speaker 1: and about two or three weeks ago I recorded and 800 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 1: Roman appeared beautiful in many trance images, very impressive because 801 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: of the colors, very very colorful and very very similar 802 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 1: to the photos that the family sent me after. But 803 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 1: the interesting point was this um I was making the 804 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 1: report that was reported our reported to eight no sorry 805 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: at nine, and then I was finishing and telling Rowan's 806 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 1: story and so on, put the images, and then at 807 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: the end I felt as an intuition that I that 808 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,520 Speaker 1: Rowan would like to offer a flower to her mother. 809 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: So it was a surprise. Firstly, at the end of 810 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,720 Speaker 1: my text, I got a flower, a design of a 811 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: flower photo from internet. Uh put in the last page 812 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,280 Speaker 1: and made a dedication to Robbing and I said, I 813 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 1: felt that Rowan would like to offer this flower to 814 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 1: her mother and also to all the mothers that were 815 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: participating in these experiences, and so on and so on. Okay, 816 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 1: so we sent the report and then now Robbing wrote 817 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: back surprised because she said, look, the flower that you chose, 818 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 1: it was just one flower. The flower that you chose 819 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 1: at the internet is casually my favorite, and she gave 820 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: it the name. I don't know. The name is precisely 821 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,800 Speaker 1: my favorite, and the Rowan knew about that because once 822 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:07,160 Speaker 1: I painted a self portrait UH with these precisely type 823 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,920 Speaker 1: of a flower at my side, and Roman knew about that. 824 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 1: So it does something so unexpected because obviously I didn't 825 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,960 Speaker 1: know any of these and then I I'm sure that 826 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: Roman wanted it to offer that flower. So I think 827 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,160 Speaker 1: it's a curiosity story. That's a lovely story. Sonya. Thank 828 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: you from the bottom of our hearts for being our 829 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,840 Speaker 1: guest today. My pleasure. I said it earlier. The work 830 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 1: you do is unparalleled. I know you credit the scientists 831 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,160 Speaker 1: on the other side, but I know without your love 832 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: and your dedication, there wouldn't be so many thousands of 833 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,240 Speaker 1: hearts reunited with their loved ones. I know grief does 834 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,920 Speaker 1: not fully go away, but when you see a trans 835 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,120 Speaker 1: image of your loved one, your life will never be 836 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 1: the same. You can find out more about Sonia and 837 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 1: her work at Ranaldi Institute dot org. You can even 838 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,920 Speaker 1: watch a preview of our upcoming documentary. Thank you again 839 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,919 Speaker 1: to Sonja and to you our listeners, a big thank 840 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,120 Speaker 1: you for spending this time with us. Please join us 841 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: on our next episode of Shades of the Afterlife and 842 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 1: we'll meet a husband and wife team of psychic mediums 843 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and we'll find out the truth about mediumship. We'll also 844 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,439 Speaker 1: answer the question do our pets join us in the afterlife? 845 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,920 Speaker 1: This is Sandra Champlain and you've been listening to Shades 846 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,360 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Media and Coast 847 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 1: to Coast, a M paranormal podcast network. And if you 848 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 1: like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until 849 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,840 Speaker 1: you hear the next one. 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