Speaker 1: It's July. Welcome everyone to the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California,
Speaker 1: as we prepare for the much anticipated final between China
Speaker 1: and the United States. More than people are gathered to
Speaker 1: watch the Women's World Cup soccer final, the largest crowd
Speaker 1: ever to see a women's sporting event. This is more
Speaker 1: than a game. This is a defining moment in women's
Speaker 1: sports history. It's also about a hundred degrees on the field,
Speaker 1: and the California's son is brutal. The closely fought game
Speaker 1: is still tight at zero after one twenty minutes of soccer.
Speaker 1: The exhausted American and Chinese players lie on the turf
Speaker 1: while trainers massage. They're cramped muscles. Now the biggest pressure
Speaker 1: of your lives. For most of these women, maybe all,
Speaker 1: they're most important cavally kicks. Ever, the penalty kick shootout
Speaker 1: is tied at four, and the USA's final kicker, Brandy Chastain,
Speaker 1: steps up to the pen holty box and into the
Speaker 1: history books shop stand will take up she missed a
Speaker 1: penalty kick against China. I'll go and they lost that
Speaker 1: care Then the woman known as Hollywood to her teammates,
Speaker 1: whips off her jersey and sets off one of the
Speaker 1: most memorable celebrations in sports history. The party began to pasitator.
Speaker 1: Whether this was that it continues from the roast part
Speaker 1: and pasitator have extent just one the woman's world time.
Speaker 1: Brandy Chastain's kick mark the climax of a summer when
Speaker 1: millions of Americans and a whole new generation of soccer
Speaker 1: fans fell in love with their national team. But it
Speaker 1: marks so much more than just that. Maybe it's an
Speaker 1: holy shame to day. Roll wasn't built in a day,
Speaker 1: puts in the arena, not above the sound and periods
Speaker 1: that day. Let us play, Let us play. I'm Sean Braswell.
Speaker 1: And This is the Thread, a podcast from ouzie Or.
Speaker 1: We unravel the stories behind some of the most important
Speaker 1: lives and events in history to discover how one thing
Speaker 1: leads to another. We launched this season of The Thread
Speaker 1: as the US women's national soccer team takes the field
Speaker 1: in France for the twenty nineteen World Cup. This July
Speaker 1: also marks the twentieth anniversary of the ninety nine ers
Speaker 1: U S women's team, whose victory at the Rose Bowl
Speaker 1: on that sweltering summer day remains seared into the memories
Speaker 1: of millions. In season five of The Thread, we tell
Speaker 1: the incredible backstory behind that World Cup triumph, but it's
Speaker 1: not a story that happened on its own. This season
Speaker 1: is about how the weight of history builds behind a
Speaker 1: single defining moment, how little details can change the course
Speaker 1: of history. We'll hear about how nineteen students at Yale
Speaker 1: strip naked in an athletic director's office and changed how
Speaker 1: female college athletes are treated, how a largely forgotten black
Speaker 1: transgender lawyer laid the ground work for multiple civil rights victories,
Speaker 1: and how a single word placed into a single congressional
Speaker 1: bill opened up the floodgates of opportunity that led up
Speaker 1: to that glorious summer day in the national team's victory
Speaker 1: in n was not its first Women's Soccer World Cup title.
Speaker 1: It was not even its first championship. In the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: the team started the decade with a World Cup victory
Speaker 1: in China. That experience, however, was very different from ninety nine.
Speaker 1: You know, no one has names on their jerseys and
Speaker 1: only some of the games were televised. Jim Cooper is
Speaker 1: a soccer analyst and researcher for Fox Sports. And the
Speaker 1: host of the Mixed Zone podcast. There had never been
Speaker 1: a women's World Cup before, and FIFA, the governing body
Speaker 1: and charge of men's international old soccer, wasn't quite sure
Speaker 1: what to do. FIFA felt like, well, we don't know,
Speaker 1: if you know, the women can last ninety minutes, so
Speaker 1: we're going to make the games eighty minutes long. And
Speaker 1: of course they called it not the Women's World Cup.
Speaker 1: They called it the FIFA World Championship for the Eminem's
Speaker 1: Cup because the tournament was sponsored by Eminem's. Welcome to
Speaker 1: China and a truly historic occasion. For the first time
Speaker 1: in the history of American soccer, a US team will
Speaker 1: play World World Championship. But the U S team did
Speaker 1: not just come to play. Tim Nash is the author
Speaker 1: of It's Not the Glory and has covered the women's
Speaker 1: national team for decades. No one would believe that the
Speaker 1: US could play soccer men or women, or dogs or cats.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't gonna happen. So when they went there
Speaker 1: and they started smashing people, it really turned some heads.
Speaker 1: The American steamrolled their way through the tournament. They developed
Speaker 1: this attacking game. It was just fun to watch. It
Speaker 1: was entertaining. They just scored an unbelievable amount of goals.
Speaker 1: The team outscored their opponents twenty five to five, winning
Speaker 1: all six games they played. Michelle Acres, an aggressive midfielder
Speaker 1: who later helped lead the ninety nine to victory, scored
Speaker 1: ten of those goals, including five in one game and
Speaker 1: the winning goal in the final against Norway. Michelle with
Speaker 1: a boy run up field here open that the US
Speaker 1: beat Norway two to one before sixty five thousand people.
Speaker 1: First of all, Michelle, what can I say? How does
Speaker 1: it feel? I feel great? I mean, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: floating on Seventh Heaven until two years from now. Many,
Speaker 1: we better get out of here in a hurry. Between
Speaker 1: all the fireworks and the celebration. There's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of party and gonna go on down here in China.
Speaker 1: But back in America, a few people cared about the
Speaker 1: historic victory. Jin Cooper again, I love the story of
Speaker 1: Michelle Acres. You know, when they finally get back to
Speaker 1: New York, and you know, and they're all separate and
Speaker 1: going home, and the woman on the plane next her,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, where where have you been traveling? She's
Speaker 1: like I was in China, we won the Women's World
Speaker 1: Cup and the woman replaced Well, that's nice, dear. No
Speaker 1: one knew what a Women's World Cup was. Caitlin Murray
Speaker 1: is a journalist and author of the National Team, The
Speaker 1: Inside Story of the Women who changed Soccer. And when
Speaker 1: the players got to the airport pretty much known was there?
Speaker 1: You know? The players joke there were two people there.
Speaker 1: It was their bus driver and their operations manager. Unlike
Speaker 1: there were no parades or appearances on David Letterman. The
Speaker 1: national team played only two games the following year, two
Speaker 1: in World Cup. The team lost a heartbreaker in the
Speaker 1: semifinals to their old rivals Norway. Then, finally a bigger
Speaker 1: opportunity came calling. Women's soccer was included in the Olympics
Speaker 1: for the first time. In Tim Nash, the Olympics really
Speaker 1: was the turning point. That was that was a huge deal.
Speaker 1: It was still the question of will anybody come watch?
Speaker 1: They did. The women's national team played before packed football
Speaker 1: size stadiums. Jim Cooper again, it's such a mixed bag
Speaker 1: the n Olympics because it had such an incredible impact
Speaker 1: on the sport, but not many people got to see
Speaker 1: it unless you were actually in the stadium. Uh. The
Speaker 1: joke at the time was they were calling NBC no
Speaker 1: bloody coverage because they aired all of about three minutes
Speaker 1: of the final. NBC barely covered the Olympic gold medal,
Speaker 1: but there were tens of thousands in the stands cheering.
Speaker 1: This was the beginning of a movement, and for millions
Speaker 1: of fans, the movement was synonymous with a single player.
Speaker 1: I could be champion of Women's Well Cup soccer. I
Speaker 1: can be a goal like soccer. Mia Hamm joined the
Speaker 1: national team when she was just fifteen. She was fast, fearless, relentless,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest goal scorers in the history of
Speaker 1: international soccer, and by the late nineteen nineties she was everywhere.
Speaker 1: The US gold medalist, Mia ham spens ninety minutes destroying
Speaker 1: her hair and ninety seconds bringing it back with pert plus.
Speaker 1: Hamm became a household name. She was in a commercial
Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan's. She was shy, introverted, but gave hours
Speaker 1: of interviews, signed thousands of autographs. It was a duty
Speaker 1: she took very seriously. It's kind of cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: one of the coolest things is walking into a stadium
Speaker 1: and seeing those you know, young girls and young boys
Speaker 1: wearing your jersey, and it's something that I think is
Speaker 1: extremely important and I take responsibility for it. The amount
Speaker 1: of pressure on Ham was enormous and her teammates marveled
Speaker 1: at how she handled it all. Tracy Noonan or Tracy
Speaker 1: Doukar as she was known, was a goalkeeper on the squad.
Speaker 1: She was, you know, the face of our team, and
Speaker 1: she was under a lot of pressure as a forward
Speaker 1: to produce and to score, and you know, she managed
Speaker 1: that unbelievably, in my opinion, Americans started to pay attention
Speaker 1: to women's soccer as never before, just in time for
Speaker 1: the country to play host to its first Women's World Cup.
Speaker 1: Marla Essing was the president and CEO of the FIFA
Speaker 1: Women's World Cup. The event had last been played in Sweden,
Speaker 1: and I think they averaged like maybe three or maybe
Speaker 1: even four thousand people per match. So um, they weren't
Speaker 1: thinking of big stadiums or major markets. But after we
Speaker 1: saw what had happened with the men's World Cup in
Speaker 1: ninety four as well as um the women's soccer event
Speaker 1: at the Olympics, we felt like the event had the
Speaker 1: potential um to to do well. In large stadiums and
Speaker 1: major markets. Not everyone was optimistic, author Caitlin Murray. You
Speaker 1: have to keep in mind at this time soccer was
Speaker 1: not a popular sport in the United States by any means.
Speaker 1: One year earlier, the men's team went to the World
Speaker 1: Cup and came in dead last place. It was an
Speaker 1: absolute embarrassment, and soccer just wasn't cool at the time.
Speaker 1: Many doubted a women's World Cup could fill large stadiums,
Speaker 1: but World Cup planners did their best to prepare for
Speaker 1: any outcome. If tickets didn't sell, they were going to
Speaker 1: put up tarps and decorations to hide the empty sections.
Speaker 1: They also blacked out time to have concerts, so if
Speaker 1: tickets weren't selling well, they would have a concert as
Speaker 1: part of the event, and then they could maybe sell
Speaker 1: more tickets that way. In the end, the skeptics were wrong,
Speaker 1: and perhaps the biggest reason the skeptics were wrong an
Speaker 1: unprecedented grassroots promotion campaign led by the players themselves author
Speaker 1: Tim Nash. They went to cities where they hadn't been before,
Speaker 1: parts of the country where they had been before. I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't just lock themselves in the hotel. All they
Speaker 1: go to and get on the bus and go to
Speaker 1: training and come back. They were out in the community.
Speaker 1: They're doing clinics, anything they could to sell. Take. The
Speaker 1: players would stay and sign autographs for hours until every
Speaker 1: single fan got one. They became ambassadors for the game
Speaker 1: and for women more broadly. Tracy Noonan, we were spending time,
Speaker 1: you know, after every event, every game, every practice, UM
Speaker 1: signing autographs, meet and greets um, anytime that we had
Speaker 1: an opportunity in front of the media to speak and
Speaker 1: promote you know what our message was. Goaltender Brianna Scurry
Speaker 1: put it later. We had ownership of that World Cup.
Speaker 1: It was ours to put on and it was ours
Speaker 1: to win. Marla Messing again, former president of the Women's
Speaker 1: World Cup. These were amazing women. Some of them had
Speaker 1: been playing soccer and almost total obscurity for over a decade.
Speaker 1: They were articulate, intelligent, educated, They cared deeply about the game,
Speaker 1: and they were They were also role models. This is
Speaker 1: Lorden Gregg, one of the coaches on the squad. Every
Speaker 1: time we stepped out onto a training field or a game,
Speaker 1: every one of us looked in the eyes of those
Speaker 1: young kids, boys and girls, and knew that we had
Speaker 1: such an enormous responsibility to pave a different path for them.
Speaker 1: Americans came to know thee and to love them in
Speaker 1: the weeks and months before the World Cup. They wanted
Speaker 1: to be part of the team's journey. I think that's
Speaker 1: what endeared them so much the American people is they
Speaker 1: became household names. They became people that not just athletes
Speaker 1: that they admire, but people that they admired, and that
Speaker 1: they were real and genuine and open, and they were
Speaker 1: the role models they never had. And Women's World Cup
Speaker 1: tickets started to sell like never before. Soccer analyst Jin Cooper,
Speaker 1: four months before the tournament started to announced that they
Speaker 1: had already sold two hundred thousand tickets, which was about
Speaker 1: double the attendance of the very small World Cup, and
Speaker 1: the response from the press was your line. The players
Speaker 1: themselves didn't quite believe it, and no one knew what
Speaker 1: to expect. When the World Cup finally launched that June.
Speaker 1: Up next, the team that started in obscurity and became
Speaker 1: the talk of the nation was about to forever alter
Speaker 1: the landscape of sports in America. The big day finally came.
Speaker 1: It was time for the U S women's soccer team
Speaker 1: to take the field after months of barnstorming the country.
Speaker 1: The team's opener was at Giant Stadium in New Jersey
Speaker 1: and eight thou Seed Arena that's usually the side of
Speaker 1: NFL games and rock concerts. Author Caitlin Murray. The team
Speaker 1: was going to arrive at Giants Stadium on their team buss,
Speaker 1: the way they always do for games. Nothing unusual about that.
Speaker 1: But as they were approaching the stadium, the traffic started
Speaker 1: to get really, really bad, and the team was at
Speaker 1: a standstill, and the players started to actually worry that
Speaker 1: they were going to be late for their own game.
Speaker 1: The players wondered what was causing all of the traffic.
Speaker 1: Was there something happening in New York City that was
Speaker 1: backing up to the New Jersey Turnpike. But then as
Speaker 1: the ride continues and the players get a little closer,
Speaker 1: they start to notice that all these cars that are
Speaker 1: congesting the roads have paint on them, let's say, go
Speaker 1: USA and American flags, and they realized, all of this
Speaker 1: traffic is here to see us. When the players finally
Speaker 1: got to the stadium, they saw people tailgating and playing
Speaker 1: pick up soccer games in the parking lot. The players
Speaker 1: had spent so much time getting the word out, helping
Speaker 1: market this event, this World Cup, that I think it
Speaker 1: was a really gratifying experience for them to see that
Speaker 1: it had worked. Victory will be bad to day. This
Speaker 1: is the largest club whoever with the women's soccer bat.
Speaker 1: It was also the largest crowd to see a sporting
Speaker 1: event at Giants Stadium. Only the Pope drew a bigger one.
Speaker 1: The team filled the stadium. Now they had to beat Denmark.
Speaker 1: Team member Tracy Nowton. There's a lot of pressure then
Speaker 1: to do well and to win, because if we do
Speaker 1: go big and it flops, what's going to really hurt
Speaker 1: women soccer. A scoreless tie came to an end in
Speaker 1: the eighteenth minute when number nine Mia Hamm received the
Speaker 1: ball coming down the right side pane, reversing all the
Speaker 1: way to be a halb hab Wi down fill out
Speaker 1: of the left. The stadium erupts. Ham's teammate mob her
Speaker 1: in a sea of red jerseys. That was also really
Speaker 1: big release for everybody, like all right, we've got a goal.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Everything's gonna be okay. The US one
Speaker 1: easily three to nothing over Denmark. Next they played to
Speaker 1: a sold out crowd in Chicago, beating Nigeria seven to one,
Speaker 1: then be North Korea to top their group and advanced
Speaker 1: to the quarterfinals in Washington, d C. To play Germany.
Speaker 1: Journalist Caitlin Murray the team started really strong, and they
Speaker 1: looked really good until they went up against the Germans.
Speaker 1: Just five minutes into the game, disasters struck right in
Speaker 1: front of the American goal. It was an own goal,
Speaker 1: and the US trailed one to nothing. And suddenly, for
Speaker 1: the first time in the whole tournament, the US was
Speaker 1: actually at risk of being knocked out, and Brandy Chastain
Speaker 1: was at risk of being the goat for the American defeat.
Speaker 1: Coach Lauren Gregg our captain Carla Overbeck went to Brandy
Speaker 1: and said, you know, we need you, and basically like,
Speaker 1: snap out of it. We need you, you know, just
Speaker 1: re framing her. Immediately, four minutes into the second half,
Speaker 1: Chastain redeemed herself, striking a goal to even the score.
Speaker 1: President Bill Clinton and First Lady Hillary Clinton celebrated as
Speaker 1: they watched from a suite above the field. The US
Speaker 1: defeated Germany and then blew by Brazil in the semifinal.
Speaker 1: Thousands of people started to turn up to watch team practices.
Speaker 1: It felt like all eyes were focused on women's soccer
Speaker 1: that summer, and no longer just on Mia Hamm Jen Cooper.
Speaker 1: One of the smartest things that Mia Hamm did in
Speaker 1: advance of the tournament was say, hey, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be in all the ads. So we ended up
Speaker 1: getting not just Mia ham out of the tournament, but
Speaker 1: Julie Foudy became a household name, Brandy Chastain became a
Speaker 1: household name, Branda Scurry became a household name. And these
Speaker 1: players did almost everything as a team, something even the
Speaker 1: television commercials picked up on, including this famous Nike ad
Speaker 1: How'd it go? He had to drill I got two fillings,
Speaker 1: then I will have two fillings. But Mia, I just
Speaker 1: examined your teeth. They're perfect. I will have two fillings.
Speaker 1: I will have two fillings. I will have two fillings.
Speaker 1: Commercials aside. The US women's national team was about to
Speaker 1: play the biggest game of their lives. So much was
Speaker 1: writing on that final game against China, and there were
Speaker 1: so many things that could go wrong. Two days until
Speaker 1: the finals, and if you don't know what finals, you
Speaker 1: may already have missed some of the most exciting sports
Speaker 1: action in a long time. Saturday's championship match between the
Speaker 1: US and China and Women's World Cup Soccer s all
Speaker 1: the atmosphere of a Super Bowl. The Women's World Cup
Speaker 1: final was held in the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California,
Speaker 1: the fifteenth largest stadium in the world. The U S
Speaker 1: team faced a formidable Chinese squad that had cruised through
Speaker 1: the tournament. Team member Tracy Nowton, you know the game
Speaker 1: is a chess match, back and forth. I mean it
Speaker 1: was opportunities, great saves, back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 1: try and want to count for Chress Bird. The game
Speaker 1: was a scoreless tie after ninety minutes. The American defense,
Speaker 1: led by Michelle Acres, held China to just two shots
Speaker 1: on gold. Then, ten minutes into extra time, China launched
Speaker 1: a corner kick and sent a header toward the far post.
Speaker 1: U S goaltender Brianna Scurry, guarding the near post, could
Speaker 1: not get to it. Try said, we was clad but homeless.
Speaker 1: For God, defender Christine Lily lunged upward and headed the
Speaker 1: ball away, preventing an almost certain Chinese goal. The game
Speaker 1: was still scoreless after one and twenty minutes. Refreence. Just
Speaker 1: look at the watch. That's it the winner, I'll be.
Speaker 1: Women's World Cup will be divided on penalty kicks and
Speaker 1: a penalty shootout. Each team takes turn shooting at the
Speaker 1: goal and the opposing team's goalkeeper. The team with the
Speaker 1: most goals after five attempts wins. Author Caitlin Murray, the
Speaker 1: penalty shootout is just designed to play tricks on people's minds,
Speaker 1: and there are all these little psychological things that players do.
Speaker 1: Either they look at the goalkeeper so the goalkeeper knows
Speaker 1: they're not scared, or they block the goalkeeper out they
Speaker 1: walk up. They only focus on the ball, They don't
Speaker 1: pay attention to anything else. It was a situation the
Speaker 1: US players were well prepared for coach Lauren greg You
Speaker 1: never know what moment is going to change a game.
Speaker 1: The penalty kicks themselves. We prepared for that. I had countless,
Speaker 1: you know, pages and pages of documented plony kicks all spring,
Speaker 1: so we were way more prepared for that moment, as
Speaker 1: prepared as you can never be to have to win
Speaker 1: a World Cup, you know, and palony kicks. But the
Speaker 1: pressure was still enormous. Caitlyn Murray. I think the players
Speaker 1: felt the way of the moment, and they couldn't let
Speaker 1: anything going wrong throw them off their mission, which was
Speaker 1: to cap off this fairy tale, this moment that they
Speaker 1: had helped create. They had to win. The first two
Speaker 1: American kickers, veterans Carla Overbeck and Joy Faucet, nailed their
Speaker 1: kicks past the Chinese goalkeeper, but China match the u
Speaker 1: S shot for shot, and it was two to two
Speaker 1: in the shootout, so the pressure mounted on the goalkeepers
Speaker 1: to make a save. Jin Cooper, any goalkeeper knows when
Speaker 1: you're going into a penalty kick situation, you're lucky if
Speaker 1: you get one, but if you get one, you've really
Speaker 1: given your team the opportunity to win. As the third
Speaker 1: Chinese kicker came forward, the US goalkeeper, Brianna Scurry stared
Speaker 1: her down the shots. Scurry dove left and batted to
Speaker 1: kick away. Suddenly the Americans had a chance to take
Speaker 1: the lead. It all came down to Brandy Chasting, the
Speaker 1: last kicker in the USA's rotation. On the snaps chick
Speaker 1: chop Stain will take it. She loss a pedaled kidneys
Speaker 1: Chatta the pup and I lost that care. Chastain placed
Speaker 1: the ball in the spot and took a few steps back.
Speaker 1: Tracy knun It. Yeah. I mean we were all standing
Speaker 1: on like the very edge of the sideline, holding hands
Speaker 1: like anything that we can do, Like we kind of
Speaker 1: don't want to look, but we want to look at it.
Speaker 1: It's so nerve wracking. Chastain fired a shot across her
Speaker 1: body to the right side of the gold with her
Speaker 1: left foot. Every time I watched that video, it always
Speaker 1: looks like it's going to go out. It's a pretty dramatic,
Speaker 1: risky shot to take. The stadium erupted and Chastain's teammates
Speaker 1: rushed toward her, and then the moment that she sported
Speaker 1: it was just like absolutely I think everyone just like
Speaker 1: ran to Brandy. Of course, Chastain released some of her
Speaker 1: emotion by ripping off her jersey and waving it around
Speaker 1: her head. Then she dropped to her knees and her
Speaker 1: sports braun with both fists in the air. Caitlin Murray,
Speaker 1: there was that iconic photo of her holding in her
Speaker 1: jersey in her sports braw celebrating just this release of
Speaker 1: just pure joy. That is a moment that I think
Speaker 1: still to this day is one of the most iconic
Speaker 1: moments in all of sports. The victory meant so much
Speaker 1: to women's sports, but it meant something to more than
Speaker 1: just women. Two thirds of the TV viewers who watched
Speaker 1: that World Cup were men. There wasn't a gender tag
Speaker 1: on the game. Stacy, you know, has played on the
Speaker 1: very first women's national team almost thirty five years ago.
Speaker 1: It was just like that was one of the best
Speaker 1: sporting events ever. And people didn't extinguished male or female,
Speaker 1: but they were genuinely walking up to me on the
Speaker 1: street saying, I have never been so captivated by soccer
Speaker 1: in my whole life. That was the best sporting event ever.
Speaker 1: The players paraded down Disneyland's main street in California, they
Speaker 1: appeared on late night talk shows, They journeyed to the
Speaker 1: White House to meet the President and first ladys. They've
Speaker 1: definitely stolen our hearts and by creating the largest women's
Speaker 1: sporting event in history, they have exploded the myth once
Speaker 1: and for all that women's sports can't attract fans and
Speaker 1: public attention, and it is about time that that has happened.
Speaker 1: It was about time, in fact, it was long overdue,
Speaker 1: and the ninety Niners journey would not be possible without
Speaker 1: another group of talented and undaunted women the first US
Speaker 1: women's national team. We tell their story on the next
Speaker 1: episode of The Thread. The US looked like they were
Speaker 1: playing in their first ever games, and that's how the
Speaker 1: results went. And there were a few upsides to even
Speaker 1: being on the team. The players on the early national
Speaker 1: teams were not doing it to be famous or get
Speaker 1: rich or be on TV, because those things were even
Speaker 1: possibilities yet. But they had something more valuable. They had
Speaker 1: a deep love of the game and they were willing
Speaker 1: to sacrifice everything for it. It was choosing between doing
Speaker 1: something you love to playing soccer, or building a career
Speaker 1: and actually making a living and having money. That was
Speaker 1: the choice that the players had to make. To be
Speaker 1: the change you want to see, and don't threat to
Speaker 1: the tapestry. You can be the true battle, set us
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