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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, live rural Oregon. Stepmommy walks

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Speaker 1: her seven year old down the hall of his elementary school.

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Speaker 2: He's never seen again.

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Speaker 1: Police now insisting step Mommy take a second polygraph, and

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Speaker 1: in a bizarre twist, we learned Stepmommy sending X rated

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Speaker 1: photos to a lover just days after Kiren disappears. Despite

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Speaker 1: all of this, still no sign of seven year old

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Horman. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Which started as another school morning soon turn into a

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Speaker 3: nightmare for parents of seven year old Krone Horman, who

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Speaker 3: unexplicably vanished from a school science fair, a suspicious drive,

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Speaker 3: an alleged accomplice, and a murder for higher plant.

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Speaker 4: Where is old kyn Horman.

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Speaker 1: This is a question that has gone through our minds

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Speaker 1: and hearts over and over and over. Joining me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we are

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Speaker 1: learning about Kyron's disappearance. But first I want to go

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Speaker 1: to a very special guest. Kien's father is joining us.

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Speaker 1: Kin Horman Kane, thank you for being.

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Speaker 4: With us, Hi, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Kine.

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Speaker 1: I know you've been asked this before, specifically my police

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Speaker 1: and many many other law enforcement But could you go

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Speaker 1: back to the day that you when you learn Kiren

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Speaker 1: has disappeared, just seven years old at the time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was at work that day and came home

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Speaker 5: something we do pretty much on every day. And the

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Speaker 5: bus came down and the door opened, and the bus

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Speaker 5: driver looked at us a little bit puzzled and had

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Speaker 5: a few minutes, at which time we ran back up

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Speaker 5: So it was a very shocking situation at that point

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Speaker 5: the teachers and faculty up there, placed the call the

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Speaker 5: involved and just kind of evolved from there.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about that trip, that frantic drive that

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Speaker 1: you made to the school, Kay, I'm projecting.

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Speaker 2: I remember I was in New York and I had just.

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Speaker 1: Gotten the children made in their pajamas and called home

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Speaker 1: and found out my dad was on life support. Within

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Speaker 1: that trek, trying to get home, trying to get somewhere

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Speaker 1: to get to my dad. Will you describe those moments

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Speaker 1: you can. What was going through your mind? What happened

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Speaker 1: on that trip back to the school.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was just a very I don't know that

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Speaker 5: I have a good description of it, very visceral.

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Speaker 4: Panic. Nothing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, sure panic the one thing or one of

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Speaker 5: you know, one of the top things I think most

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Speaker 5: parents fear is their children going missing. You want to

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Speaker 5: protect them, you want to be able to know where

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Speaker 5: It was just terror. I don't remember much else. I

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Speaker 5: you know, all the different scenarios that could play out.

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Speaker 5: But it was honestly, it was terror. I couldn't even

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Speaker 5: really explain the thoughts at that point. It was sheer panic.

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Speaker 1: You know. Another thing Caine Hormon guys joining us is

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Speaker 1: Karen's dad Kane. Many people would say it's not their fault,

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Speaker 1: they just haven't lived through it. Well, it's no big

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly how you describe it. The button the

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Speaker 5: he just very routine. Like you said, I don't know

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Speaker 5: is usually I think in a lot of those circumstances,

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Speaker 4: So it was just an immediate.

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Speaker 5: Response that something's definitely off, because we either would have

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Speaker 5: So exactly what you described, it was pretty much like

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Speaker 5: clockwork every day. And that was just the one day that.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't Okay, well you got to the school. What

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Speaker 5: I remember trying to locate teachers the three of us

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Speaker 5: ask questions about, you know, where he was at, if

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, that just makes my stomach hurt.

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Speaker 2: Your whole day, you're going about your.

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Speaker 1: Business, you're working, you're this, you're that, You're making calls,

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Speaker 1: you're sending emails the whole time. You think he's fine

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Speaker 2: He was not checked in.

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Speaker 1: Right when you say the three of you, I can

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Speaker 1: just imagine getting to the school is still kind of

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Speaker 2: Where is he? I can't find anything?

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Speaker 1: Get off the bus, and then you learn he wasn't

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Speaker 2: You said, the three of you, who is with you?

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Speaker 4: His stepmom and my daughter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me think this through. You get to the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, I don't remember. I know we had started

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Speaker 2: To seven years old at the time he goes missing.

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Speaker 1: Everybody thinks he is at school that day, but he's not.

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Speaker 2: What happened that.

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Speaker 6: Morning, Skyline Elementary School in northwest Portland, Oregon is having

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Speaker 6: thirty minutes earlier than normal to allow for parents and

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Speaker 6: Arriving at Skyline just after eight am, Kyrine Horman and

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Speaker 6: his stepmother, Terry Horman, go to his classroom to drop

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Speaker 6: his exhibit called the Red Eyed tree Frog.

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Speaker 1: So Kyen Horman at school and at nuwell joining us

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Speaker 1: k XAL news host of speaking freely with an at

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Speaker 1: newel and thank you for being with us. But there's

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Speaker 1: no question he was at school for this pre school

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Speaker 1: science fair. Now interesting, A lot of times we don't

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Speaker 1: have that distinction. This was all happening before first period,

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Speaker 2: Teacher was his science fair? Explain?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was an event in which there were a

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Speaker 7: there wasn't a lot of what you would say supervision.

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Speaker 7: There were people coming in and out because there was

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace came Horman with me Kirn's dad.

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Speaker 1: So that was kind of a big morning for him

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Speaker 1: taking in the big science project. I know when we

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Speaker 1: have that with our twins, it's a big ordeal. Try

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Speaker 1: to get everything there, don't leave anything behind, don't crush

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Speaker 1: it or hurt it on the way to school. How

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Speaker 5: No, not from my perspective. We had talked that morning

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Speaker 1: What more do we know about what happened at the

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 8: Terry Horman has raised Karen since he was an infant,

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Speaker 8: and she takes a picture of Karen standing in front

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Speaker 8: walk around the classes looking at other students' projects and

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Speaker 8: see many other parents and children who have arrived early

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Speaker 8: for the science fair. Terry Hormon volunteers her time helping

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Speaker 8: Karen and Terry in another classroom before the eight forty

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Speaker 1: Caine Horman explain to me your understanding of what happened

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Speaker 1: he was signed. I mean, I see the picture, I

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Speaker 1: know he was there, but now I'm hearing he was

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Speaker 2: What's your understanding of his movements that morning?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so based on what I understand, again, this is

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Speaker 5: what I remember being told that they arrived at the school,

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Speaker 5: that they went to the classroom where his project was

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Speaker 5: on display, that's the photo that we've all seen already

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Speaker 5: with him standing in front. I did see that photo

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Speaker 5: later that day on our camera as well. There was

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Speaker 5: a couple other pictures of other things in the room,

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Speaker 5: and then there was a description of them walking to

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Speaker 2: He's walking from room to room, in and out. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: Parents are there from all over looking at their children's

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Speaker 2: It's not like he disappeared off the bus. He was there.

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Speaker 6: Listen, as Terry Horman leaves the school, she sees Kyrone

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Speaker 2: Where is Kyne?

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Speaker 1: You think when you take your child to school everything

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Speaker 5: We talked about the going to the room at the school,

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Speaker 2: And as the teacher to whom you're referring.

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Speaker 5: The teacher the names escaping me at the moment, I apologize.

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Speaker 2: That's okay.

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Speaker 2: To go do all her duties. Right.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't recall a teacher saying that That's what

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Speaker 7: Actually that information came from the mother of Kiren. She

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Kyn's mother, Desiree, Listen.

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Speaker 9: The investigation continue used to be on track and is

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Speaker 2: We love you, Kyen.

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Speaker 9: Never give up, Pope. We are all coming to get you,

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Speaker 1: Back to Caine Horman Cain, did Terry ever mentioned to

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Speaker 4: No, not in any conversation that we had.

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Speaker 5: I haven't heard any directly, so that's it's all second

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Speaker 1: Be honest, Nor do I in fact me reports state

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Speaker 2: How many times.

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Speaker 1: I can I ask you, Kane, did you go over

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Speaker 5: Many many times exhaustively. There was a lot of discussion

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Speaker 4: So there was a lot.

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Speaker 10: Kirn, who was seven years old, disappeared from Skyline Elementary

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Speaker 11: The Molnoma County Sheriff's Office has worked in close partnership

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Speaker 10: As parents, we can't imagine the pain and struggle Kyen's

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Speaker 11: And that's why we have never given up or slowed

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Speaker 2: Neither have we.

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Speaker 1: The truth is out there. Someone knows what happened to

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Speaker 1: me is Kyvin's father, Kan Jarrett Farantino joining us. Renowned

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Speaker 1: former prosecutor, host of True Crime, Boss Jarrett, thank you

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Speaker 2: Kin has filled it out for us.

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Speaker 1: I understand everything up until the point the stepmother leaves.

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Speaker 4: I agree one percent.

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Speaker 12: It's not clear whether or not Kyeren left the build

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Speaker 12: I run at school, heading toward his classroom and she

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Speaker 12: This case really began Nancy, and there's some discrepancy in

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Speaker 1: PI at dancorsantino dot com. Dan, right there, I'm telling

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Speaker 2: Where did he go that way or that way?

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Speaker 1: Was the stepmom with him not with him? That is

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Speaker 1: Everything's fine, they get to the school, they make it to.

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Speaker 1: But it's suddenly when step mommy leaves, that's when everything

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Speaker 13: Dan Corsantino, Absolutely, that was the defining moment, that was

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Speaker 4: What is really really interesting about.

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Speaker 13: This is the comfort level that kyn had and who

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Speaker 1: You know, you just mentioned something really important to be

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Speaker 1: let's just talk about the reality of that possibility. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Shery Schwartz joining me. She is a forensic psychologist and

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Speaker 1: her specialty is criminal behavior. She's the author of Criminal

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Speaker 2: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: That is not a possibility that there was a stranger

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Speaker 2: Okay, the science fair was.

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Speaker 1: Ending, the eight forty five bail was going off for

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Speaker 2: What stranger? What? Who?

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Speaker 1: No stranger is in that building. Everyone is dispersing and leaving.

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Speaker 1: The only one there where the story goes sid ways

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 14: She's the last one that was seen with Karen and

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Speaker 1: stepmom Terry on our friend doctor Field's program.

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Speaker 15: This was in retaliation for something that he was doing

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Speaker 15: that I found out about while this is happening. And

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Speaker 15: this particular person was actually his friend and sent to

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Speaker 15: the house. So this was a setup.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, a setup retaliation.

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Speaker 2: What is she even talking about.

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Speaker 1: Listen to more of the stepmom speaking to our friend

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Speaker 1: doctor Phil.

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Speaker 15: Well, that would be because the law enforcement told us

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Speaker 15: to go to do what we told us to do,

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Speaker 15: things that we normally do. So they want you to

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Speaker 15: go grocery shopping, they want you to go to the gym.

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Speaker 15: Specifically told both Kane and I and he was with

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Speaker 15: me that day when we will win it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what she's talking about, because she'd possibly be talking

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Speaker 1: about the X rated photo she's sending a lover within

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Speaker 1: just days after Kirine disappearing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Kine, I don't know what you went through.

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Speaker 1: I thought I knew everything about grief when my fiance

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Speaker 1: was murdered. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I could

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Speaker 1: barely speak. I couldn't stand to hear music or TV

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Speaker 1: or radio or even the clock ticking.

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Speaker 2: I would vomit and vomit. I couldn't keep anything on

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Speaker 2: my stomach.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I could have thought about is sending

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Speaker 1: X rayed photos of myself to some guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just not where your head is at

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Speaker 2: a time like that.

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Speaker 5: The first thing that I wanted to do was to

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Speaker 5: cooperate with law enforcement as much as possible. And when

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Speaker 5: I wasn't doing that, I was sitting in another room,

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Speaker 5: staring at the floor and crying. For the first couple

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Speaker 5: of days, I think I slept for maybe twenty minutes.

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Speaker 5: The night that he went missing, we had a house

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Speaker 5: full of law enforcement. One of the sheriff's officers that

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Speaker 5: I had gotten to know over that period of time

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Speaker 5: sat across from me in the room, and I think

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Speaker 5: I might have knotted off for twenty minutes. Maybe everything

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Speaker 5: was do everything possible, as fast as possible. Whatever we

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Speaker 5: needed to do, and it was just being ready and

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Speaker 5: available to go through the process that they conduct through

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Speaker 5: the investigation as much as we could. Like I said,

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Speaker 5: when I wasn't doing that, I was basically sitting there

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Speaker 5: crying for the first and that was the first few days.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 5: The grief was overwhelming, and at the same time, like

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Speaker 5: we talked about in the ride up to the school,

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Speaker 5: in my brain was just frantically trying to figure out,

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Speaker 5: you know, what could we possibly be doing?

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Speaker 4: Is this real?

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Speaker 5: It's still just really hadn't sunk in all the way,

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Speaker 5: but it had at the same time. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if that makes any sense, but just mulling over everything.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't remember sleeping that much for the

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Speaker 5: first week, if not longer, because we were in the

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Speaker 5: middle of the investigation, we were being investigated in all

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Speaker 5: the interviews and everything else that we were trying to

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Speaker 5: get through. I mean, I was not on social media

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Speaker 5: at all that I recall. I don't even recall cracking

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Speaker 5: a laptop. I don't remember being on my phone. I

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Speaker 5: just remember working with the team as much as humanly

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Speaker 5: possible to make progress and on finding him. So the

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Speaker 5: things that you're describing to me, completely foreign to me

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Speaker 5: at that time, and still.

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Speaker 15: It just.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I don't know how it's answered. It was just

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Speaker 5: it was a very intense period of time. I have

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Speaker 5: no idea how anyone would be in that mindset.

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Speaker 16: Terry alleges she drove along country roads to sooth daughter

511
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Speaker 16: Kiera's erich the morning of Chirrine's disappearance. Terry's friend Deetie

512
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Speaker 16: allegedly rushes out of work at the same time as

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Speaker 16: Terry's drive after receiving a mysterious phone call her whereabouts

514
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Speaker 16: during this time are unknown. Witnesses at the school report

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Speaker 16: an unidentified man in a white pickup truck at the

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Speaker 16: science fair, but his identity remains a mystery.

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Speaker 1: Guys, there's so much misdirection going on right here, so

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Speaker 1: much misdirection. To Annette Newell joining us Katexale news host.

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Speaker 2: Annatt again, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: That parking lot was likely full of parents leaving leaving

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Speaker 1: the science fair, but you are telling me evidence has

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Speaker 1: emerged of at least one witness seeing the stepmother leaving

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Speaker 1: with Tyrone.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: They were seen out in front of the school by

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Speaker 7: one of Kyron's friends, his grandma and sister as well

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Speaker 7: as his bus driver. They were walking out to the

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Speaker 7: main road, which is where the truck was parked. That

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Speaker 7: witnesses saw Terry and Kyron leaving the school together that

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Speaker 7: morning and heading toward their truck, according to Quayinna. Also,

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Speaker 7: Terry said that she drove around town that day, stopping

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Speaker 7: at the two grocery stores to get medicine for her

533
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Speaker 7: daughter who wasn't feeling well. Then police found that Terry's

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Speaker 7: phone pained herund Highway thirty north of Portland and that time.

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Speaker 1: Period, Now you're telling me that she in the vehicle

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Speaker 1: in the truck was bought a at not one, but

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Speaker 1: at least two grocery stores. Could the video be highlighted

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Speaker 1: enhanced to see if Kyen was in the car at

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Speaker 1: that time.

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Speaker 7: That's something that they tried to do a bunch of time,

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Speaker 7: and they couldn't conclusively tell whether he was in the

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Speaker 7: car or not.

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Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy, Grace, Annett and Neil joining us

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Speaker 2: k x L.

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Speaker 1: And that video depicting the stepmother going to at least

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Speaker 1: to grocery stores, was that immediately upon her leaving the school.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they do think it fit the timeline of what

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Speaker 7: she was talking about, although there was some other time

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Speaker 7: that they weren't sure if they could definitely connect what

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Speaker 7: she was saying she did versus what she did. But

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Speaker 7: they did find that there was some video of her

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Speaker 7: from surveillance cameras in that area that did show her

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Speaker 7: and show her in the truck.

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Speaker 1: Right question, you mentioned the pinging of her cell phone.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me where her cell phone pained.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was an area in north Portland, not far

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Speaker 7: from the school, around Highway thirty which runs north of Portland,

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Speaker 7: and that was that was after she'd spent time driving

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Speaker 7: her daughter around. She said she was driving in that

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Speaker 7: area to settle her daughter down. It's what she told

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Speaker 7: police when they asked why she was why the phone

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Speaker 7: was paying around in that area.

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Speaker 2: To Kaye Horman, this is Kyen's dad.

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Speaker 1: When you asked her what had happened that morning, did

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Speaker 1: she describe this circuitous route driving around with the daughter

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Speaker 1: in the car to help her earache.

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Speaker 5: Yes, she did. She talked about the retailers she stopped at.

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Speaker 5: I want to say there was a gem stop. Again,

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Speaker 5: I don't recall, it's been a while, but she did

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Speaker 5: outline that. She outlined a few of the country roads

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Speaker 5: that they were driving on. She wasn't overly specific about

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Speaker 5: which ones. There was a few she talked about, but

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Speaker 5: after that it was just driving around. But yeah, I

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Speaker 5: was familiar with that kind of timetable.

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Speaker 3: The fourteen year investigation has turned up no clues as

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Speaker 3: to little Karen's whereabouts, but family and investigators suspect this

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Speaker 3: was no accident. Stepmom Terry maintains her innocence as the

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Speaker 3: Hormon family continues their desperate search for answers.

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Speaker 1: We know the stepmother has never been formally charged in

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Speaker 1: Karen Horman's disappearance.

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Speaker 2: She has become the.

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Speaker 1: Target of public suspicion. But there seems to be a

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Speaker 1: chain of alleged misconduct really since the moment Kiren goes missing.

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Speaker 1: Now to you, doctor Sherry Schwartz, I know that everyone

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Speaker 1: reacts differently to pain or suffering, or loss or even stress.

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Speaker 1: But this series of alleged misconduct does not bode well,

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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry, not at all.

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Speaker 14: And this isn't to me. This isn't anything that would

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Speaker 14: cost a to the trauma response or a grief response.

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Speaker 14: This is very specific behavior. She's talking about retaliation against

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Speaker 14: Kirn's dad. She is saying things like the police told

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Speaker 14: her things like to go to the gym. Now, I

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Speaker 14: don't know if they did or they didn't, but I

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Speaker 14: would find that very strange because most parents are out looking.

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Speaker 14: And also, Nancy, if I lost somebody's sunglasses that didn't

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Speaker 14: belong to me, I'd be scouring the neighborhood to find

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Speaker 14: out where did I leave them, let alone losing someone's child.

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Speaker 1: I also understand that Terry Lynn Moulton formerly Terry Horman,

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Speaker 1: faced grand theft firearm charges stemming from an incident in Marysville, California,

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Speaker 1: regarding a stolen gun.

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Speaker 2: It's just like.

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Speaker 1: One thing after the next, and Againcy is not ever,

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Speaker 1: she's never been named a suspect, a formal suspect.

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Speaker 2: And the disappearance of Kiren.

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Speaker 1: You know, Caine, you earlier mentioned that you and the

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Speaker 1: whole family were being investigated.

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Speaker 2: That's SOP standard operating procedure.

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Speaker 1: When someone goes missing, the first place police look, as

609
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Speaker 1: they should, is at the family members, particularly the male members. Statistically,

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Speaker 1: that's typically who did it tell me about being the

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Speaker 1: target of an investigation.

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Speaker 2: Yourself while your son is missing? What was that like?

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Speaker 5: The one way I can describe it is. It was

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Speaker 5: something that that I needed to do. I knew I

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Speaker 5: didn't have any involvements.

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Speaker 4: I knew that.

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Speaker 5: Really at that point, it wasn't about me. Is really

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Speaker 5: all I can say is about him, and I did

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Speaker 5: everything I was asked to do as fast and quickly

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Speaker 5: and urgently as possible to clear myself in the investigation

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Speaker 5: because I wanted them to be focused on who it

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Speaker 5: so it was I don't know, I set aside there

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Speaker 5: was not really a lot of emotions for me on

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Speaker 5: that front, other than they indicated the process and my

625
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 5: job was to clear the process, and that's absolutely what

626
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Speaker 5: I wanted to do, and again as urgently as possible.

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Speaker 5: The focus was on him, finding him as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 5: It really didn't have to do with me as far

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Speaker 5: as how I felt about what was happening. It was

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Speaker 5: just what I needed to do as his parent to

631
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Speaker 5: help him get recovered as early as possible. So it

632
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Speaker 5: was basically my mission to do every and anything asked

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Speaker 5: to clear that process and continue to move forward. So

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Speaker 5: it was a lot less about emotion at that point.

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Speaker 5: I know I described the first couple like twenty four

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Speaker 5: to forty eight hours just being kind of unresponsive unless

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Speaker 5: I was being interviewed with investigators, crying and all that stuff,

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Speaker 5: And as we started to get further into the process,

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Speaker 5: I kind of had to set that aside and become

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Speaker 5: more focused on.

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Speaker 4: What needed to be.

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Speaker 5: Done, the task that needed to be done, and not

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Speaker 5: being emotional about how I felt. At that particular point

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Speaker 5: in time. I missed him. I was frantic, but at

645
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Speaker 5: the same time I needed them to focus on who

646
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 5: actually did this. So it was about clearing. It was

647
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Speaker 5: one hundred percent just about clearing everything that I needed

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Speaker 5: to clear so we could stay focused on him.

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Speaker 1: I don't even no words to describe what I think

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Speaker 1: you've been through. But now, what is your message to

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Speaker 1: anybody out there that may know anything about Tyen Well First.

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Speaker 5: And foremost, Kiren, if you're still out there, we're still

653
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Speaker 5: looking for you, So I will always lead with that.

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Speaker 5: No one's given up. We are still looking. We haven't

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Speaker 5: given up. We love you, we miss you. We are

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Speaker 5: still active, the investigations active, We're still looking to everyone

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Speaker 5: out there. Keep recording tips. We have tips coming in

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Speaker 5: through the phone still to this day, lots on email.

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Speaker 5: There's a website that I I'm sure that you guys

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Speaker 5: will have the information for that. The Sheriff's office is

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Speaker 5: put up now in addition to the one that we've

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Speaker 5: put up for the past fourteen years, they recently put

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Speaker 5: up a new one that gives a rough timeline, gives

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Speaker 5: the tip line, it gives an email tip line. Would

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Speaker 5: encourage everyone to submit tips, no matter how big or

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Speaker 5: small you think they are. Try not to rule them out,

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Speaker 5: try not to filter them, Just submit them and the

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Speaker 5: investigators will do that work. But urge anybody who feels

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Speaker 5: that they witnessed anything, no matter how long ago it was,

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Speaker 5: to submit that information through the tip line, and again,

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Speaker 5: don't try to filter it out, don't try to vet

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Speaker 5: it for yourself, give it, pass it along. So I

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Speaker 5: would highly encourage that. The other thing is there are

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Speaker 5: age progress photos on the website. There's I think the

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Speaker 5: original and three others. He's not seven anymore, and so

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Speaker 5: that's one thing that we try to remind folks is

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Speaker 5: that he's older. He may or may not have his

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Speaker 5: glasses right now as well, so if he is still

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Speaker 5: alive and he is out there with somebody, you know,

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Speaker 5: we're trying to get people familiarized with those age progressed

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Speaker 5: with and without the glasses. So if they do see

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Speaker 5: a similarity that they call on that tip as well.

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Speaker 5: But the tip line that both the phone and the

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Speaker 5: email are open. They're still actively getting tips. Please continue

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Speaker 5: to submit them as much as you can.

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Speaker 1: You can, of course call Enigma or one eight hundred

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Speaker 1: the Lost, one eight hundred the Lost. There is a

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars reward for information leading to the resolution

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Speaker 1: of Kirene's disappearance, a fifty thousand dollar reward. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us, joining us in the search for

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Speaker 1: Kiren Horman Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,