WEBVTT - 10. The Wallypad 0:00:15.036 --> 0:00:26.436 Pushkin. In the spring of twenty eleven, Rick's friend Jay 0:00:26.556 --> 0:00:30.916 Engelshall was arrested and charged with selling heroin. Jay ended 0:00:30.996 --> 0:00:33.516 up having to serve more than a year in county jail, 0:00:34.596 --> 0:00:37.276 and one night while he was in custody, he had 0:00:37.316 --> 0:00:37.996 some visitors. 0:00:38.836 --> 0:00:41.156 They said, I had a visit, and I'm like, really, 0:00:41.196 --> 0:00:43.156 I was a little late for a visit, and then 0:00:43.636 --> 0:00:46.596 I find out that it's two detectives. They wanted to 0:00:46.636 --> 0:00:47.476 ask me questions. 0:00:48.316 --> 0:00:49.596 They wanted to talk about Rick. 0:00:50.476 --> 0:00:52.716 They asked me about Rick in his fort, and I 0:00:52.756 --> 0:00:55.756 told him everything I knew, and they asked me if 0:00:55.756 --> 0:00:57.716 I had ever been up there at the fort, and 0:00:57.756 --> 0:01:00.836 I said, yeah, you know, I'm drinking a beer or 0:01:00.876 --> 0:01:04.876 smoking cigarette or whatever, because at that point, who knows 0:01:04.916 --> 0:01:08.556 a DNA and everything else. But I wasn't gonna lie 0:01:08.556 --> 0:01:10.796 to him. I wanted to tell him everything I could 0:01:10.796 --> 0:01:15.676 and hopefully be helpful. And they asked me a few questions, 0:01:15.716 --> 0:01:17.876 like how long has Rick been staying there? How often's 0:01:17.916 --> 0:01:18.636 he go up there? 0:01:20.516 --> 0:01:23.356 They asked Jay if he knew anything about Rick and 0:01:23.396 --> 0:01:26.156 my Terce Richardson, And. 0:01:26.356 --> 0:01:28.196 What the coups asked me was, do you think you'd 0:01:28.236 --> 0:01:30.196 be a good suspect, and I said I would look 0:01:30.236 --> 0:01:33.276 into it because he's violent with women. And you guys 0:01:33.356 --> 0:01:33.796 know that. 0:01:35.316 --> 0:01:37.996 By this time, it was pretty much an open secret 0:01:38.036 --> 0:01:40.916 in Montanito that people thought Rick was involved in my 0:01:40.996 --> 0:01:42.076 Teresa's disappearance. 0:01:43.196 --> 0:01:46.916 Everybody just sort of joked about it in a way. 0:01:47.076 --> 0:01:48.796 You know, Rick, are you sure you don't know what 0:01:48.876 --> 0:01:50.916 happened to her? And this and that, you know, something 0:01:50.956 --> 0:01:55.076 like that. And then me and my friend started thinking 0:01:55.116 --> 0:01:57.236 about a little bit more worth, thinking well, maybe he 0:01:57.276 --> 0:01:59.396 could have had something to do with it. You know. 0:02:00.876 --> 0:02:04.636 Homicide detectives had already looked into Rick in twenty ten 0:02:04.916 --> 0:02:08.516 before my Teresa's remains were found, but they dismissed him 0:02:08.516 --> 0:02:10.756 as a person of interest when the ribcage at the 0:02:10.756 --> 0:02:14.916 fort turned out to be deer bones. This in spite 0:02:14.956 --> 0:02:18.596 of Rick's known history of violence against women and the 0:02:18.636 --> 0:02:21.516 proximity of his fort to the place in Dark Canyon 0:02:21.596 --> 0:02:25.956 where My Trece's remains were ultimately found. But now some 0:02:25.996 --> 0:02:29.716 two years later, the detectives were taking another look at Rick. 0:02:30.516 --> 0:02:33.556 This time they were focusing on the house where Rick 0:02:33.596 --> 0:02:37.756 would often crash, the house belonging to his firefighter friend 0:02:38.116 --> 0:02:42.756 Mark Wallace. The Mark Wallace, whose business card read head 0:02:42.796 --> 0:02:47.956 honcho slash motherfucker in charge. This would be the Sheriff's 0:02:47.956 --> 0:02:52.236 Department's best chance to confront Rick Forsberg about my race. 0:02:58.676 --> 0:03:27.996 I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, Episode ten. 0:03:28.876 --> 0:03:37.036 The Wallypad Mark Wallace's house, the place Rick hung out 0:03:37.116 --> 0:03:41.236 and stayed on and off, has a nickname the Wallypad. 0:03:43.316 --> 0:03:46.676 Mark built the house himself using boulders he scavenged from 0:03:46.796 --> 0:03:49.516 rock slides and lumber from the old Malibu pier. 0:03:50.436 --> 0:03:54.156 It's all the old rusty wood and like the woodworking 0:03:54.156 --> 0:03:57.396 in there, I mean everything is perfectly chiseled in, like 0:03:57.596 --> 0:03:58.356 the fireplace. 0:03:58.476 --> 0:03:59.556 Me and we could sleep in it. 0:03:59.556 --> 0:04:00.236 It's like our bedroom. 0:04:01.156 --> 0:04:04.636 This is Alison Joyner. She's an ex girlfriend of Mark's. 0:04:04.996 --> 0:04:07.596 He built it from ground up, so you know, and 0:04:07.636 --> 0:04:10.116 I mean it's a gorgeous home. He it's phenomenal. Actually 0:04:10.356 --> 0:04:12.956 he killed it. It's one of the coolest houses I've seen. 0:04:12.836 --> 0:04:16.756 In la Alison's a kick a pint sized hair and 0:04:16.796 --> 0:04:20.196 makeup artist who's also a stunt woman. On the day 0:04:20.236 --> 0:04:22.356 we visit her, she tells us she's prepping for a 0:04:22.396 --> 0:04:24.356 shoot with Dwayne the Rock Johnson. 0:04:26.196 --> 0:04:26.876 I'm from Georgia. 0:04:27.076 --> 0:04:32.356 I red nuts, I remembering bear when I love it 0:04:32.396 --> 0:04:35.396 in your Airwin, Do y'all want a Guinness? 0:04:36.276 --> 0:04:38.396 We sit down at her kitchen table and she pours 0:04:38.396 --> 0:04:40.916 herself a beer into a glass jar from the high 0:04:40.996 --> 0:04:42.636 end organic market Airwan. 0:04:43.396 --> 0:04:46.036 I mean, I've paid like thirty dollars for the pistachios 0:04:46.356 --> 0:04:47.036 and what the fuck up? 0:04:47.076 --> 0:04:48.876 As wells right beer out of it? I might get 0:04:49.036 --> 0:04:49.516 rid of it. 0:04:51.476 --> 0:04:54.916 She met Mark in twenty ten, and in twenty eleven, 0:04:55.036 --> 0:04:58.036 she says, she started spending time at the Wallypad with 0:04:58.076 --> 0:05:00.676 her son, who was around six years old at the time. 0:05:01.916 --> 0:05:05.036 Allison says the way she met Mark was totally random. 0:05:05.676 --> 0:05:07.476 She had this makeup artist friend. 0:05:07.956 --> 0:05:10.876 She's an amazing makeup artist, and she worked for this photographer 0:05:10.876 --> 0:05:15.196 who did like Black Men's magazine and like she did, 0:05:15.236 --> 0:05:16.756 called Kim Kardashian. 0:05:17.196 --> 0:05:20.516 Her friend, and the photographer specialized in a niche area. 0:05:21.316 --> 0:05:23.756 I call it the ass before the face photography. You know, 0:05:23.956 --> 0:05:26.196 it's like, I don't think it's porn, but it's just like, 0:05:26.596 --> 0:05:30.076 excuse me, but jail jack off magazines, you know, that's 0:05:30.076 --> 0:05:31.356 what they are to me. 0:05:32.556 --> 0:05:35.956 In March of twenty ten, Alison's friend asked her to 0:05:35.956 --> 0:05:39.796 come help with hair at a shoot in Montanito. This 0:05:39.916 --> 0:05:42.796 was about six months after my Rise went missing and 0:05:42.916 --> 0:05:47.356 five months before her remains were found. Alison pulled up 0:05:47.396 --> 0:05:50.516 to the walipad. The shoot was happening in some lower 0:05:50.516 --> 0:05:52.716 part of the property where there was a pig pen 0:05:53.036 --> 0:05:56.836 and an old pig named Oscar Meyer. She didn't even 0:05:56.916 --> 0:05:59.196 go down there, she was just working on the model. 0:06:01.156 --> 0:06:03.076 Were there for hours. I didn't know what we were doing. 0:06:03.156 --> 0:06:04.836 I thought it was a cute girl. It was just 0:06:04.876 --> 0:06:05.596 like a cute girl. 0:06:06.036 --> 0:06:07.036 So we were doing her hair, in her. 0:06:06.996 --> 0:06:10.356 Makeup, and then I'm like two hours later, I'm like, 0:06:10.356 --> 0:06:10.916 what are we doing? 0:06:11.196 --> 0:06:12.636 And they're like, oh, a porn shoot. 0:06:14.316 --> 0:06:18.036 And then Mark showed up and put on a charm offensive. 0:06:19.236 --> 0:06:24.476 He's a sweet tucker. He's fun, he's very smart. He 0:06:24.836 --> 0:06:27.316 knows a lot about history and the artifact. He's just 0:06:27.556 --> 0:06:30.116 he's one of those dudes that kind of any conversation 0:06:30.196 --> 0:06:33.036 you get into him, he'll know something about or he'll 0:06:33.076 --> 0:06:35.316 bullshit his way through it. And he gets very respected 0:06:35.316 --> 0:06:36.196 because he's a fireman. 0:06:37.276 --> 0:06:40.716 Mark was impressive in a very man's man kind of way, 0:06:41.316 --> 0:06:45.636 building bonfires and launching expeditions and charging around the neighborhood 0:06:45.716 --> 0:06:47.396 on a horse or in a back hoe. 0:06:48.636 --> 0:06:52.756 Mark's mister boy scout boy. Like, if you're going to 0:06:52.836 --> 0:06:56.476 survive anywhere, it's gonna be with Mark. He will build 0:06:56.556 --> 0:06:59.036 up a whole one hundred feet down in a night. 0:06:59.956 --> 0:07:02.236 I mean, the dude can do anything. I don't care 0:07:02.276 --> 0:07:05.156 if it's from welding to fixing a car, you know, 0:07:05.276 --> 0:07:09.676 cutting down a fucking forty foot tree onto it. Yeah, 0:07:09.836 --> 0:07:12.756 like it's insane. He'll go up to a rattlestick and 0:07:12.796 --> 0:07:14.396 literally go down and grab him in the head and 0:07:14.516 --> 0:07:17.516 swing him around and their head comes off. I've seen 0:07:17.556 --> 0:07:19.596 it with my other fucking eyes twice. 0:07:21.076 --> 0:07:24.556 This whole Montanito mountain man scene was kind of familiar 0:07:24.556 --> 0:07:25.636 to her. 0:07:26.276 --> 0:07:29.836 I grew up wealthy people. They wanted to be white trash, 0:07:30.156 --> 0:07:35.156 and to me, that's cal Bassis, that's Montanito, and it's 0:07:35.236 --> 0:07:36.796 like high class white trash over there. 0:07:38.596 --> 0:07:42.356 Soon after Alison started dating Mark, she met Rick, who 0:07:42.396 --> 0:07:44.076 often stayed over at Mark's house. 0:07:45.396 --> 0:07:49.316 He was a cool guy. He looked like a Malibu 0:07:49.556 --> 0:07:52.756 rich beach bum guy. I just remember him in his 0:07:52.796 --> 0:07:54.956 scruffy white shirt with his blue jeane cut off pants. 0:07:54.956 --> 0:07:58.756 Who's fucking barefooted. I was just remembering long scruff hair 0:07:58.876 --> 0:08:01.396 is like that mousey brown some gold in it. I 0:08:01.436 --> 0:08:02.716 was like, dude, you had to have been cute when 0:08:02.716 --> 0:08:03.276 you were younger. 0:08:04.596 --> 0:08:08.396 She didn't find Rick threatening quite the opposite. 0:08:09.116 --> 0:08:10.636 If I saw Ricky at night, I'd be like, fuck, 0:08:10.676 --> 0:08:15.156 I'm safe, No, because he's he just is a cool personality. 0:08:15.196 --> 0:08:17.036 You don't feel sketchiness. 0:08:17.636 --> 0:08:21.436 But then one day Mark told Alison something about Rick 0:08:21.756 --> 0:08:23.596 that changed the way she thought about him. 0:08:24.396 --> 0:08:26.676 We were up in the garage and he casually goes 0:08:28.276 --> 0:08:32.436 that girl that died a couple of years ago. He goes, 0:08:32.436 --> 0:08:35.836 they think that he killed her, and I'm like, well 0:08:35.836 --> 0:08:38.796 did he? And he just gave me this weird look. 0:08:40.516 --> 0:08:43.996 All these years later, Alison can still replay this moment 0:08:44.436 --> 0:08:45.836 like a little movie in her head. 0:08:47.196 --> 0:08:51.436 He just went serious in like quiet for a second. 0:08:51.476 --> 0:08:54.636 To have a pause, A quiet with Mark Wallace's shocking 0:08:54.636 --> 0:08:57.956 because he's not a quiet guy. So for me, it 0:08:58.076 --> 0:09:00.916 was you know, I remember it. I still fucking remember it. 0:09:01.956 --> 0:09:05.356 That's when Alison knew she had to get herself and 0:09:05.436 --> 0:09:08.356 her child far away from the wallypad. 0:09:23.476 --> 0:09:25.836 You know what, you know, I never I don't know 0:09:26.036 --> 0:09:27.916 they have the facts of that issue. 0:09:28.316 --> 0:09:31.036 In the video where Rick is being interviewed by Raven, 0:09:31.516 --> 0:09:34.316 Rick gives an explanation for why he didn't go to 0:09:34.356 --> 0:09:38.036 the cops after seeing my trees the day she disappeared. 0:09:38.356 --> 0:09:40.156 To be honest with you tell you the truth right 0:09:40.356 --> 0:09:42.076 the first night. But I go, you know, I to 0:09:42.116 --> 0:09:45.556 just go to the cops, you know, And I was going, 0:09:46.116 --> 0:09:46.676 for all, what. 0:09:46.636 --> 0:09:48.596 Are you gonna don't they ask you? 0:09:48.596 --> 0:09:48.796 You know? 0:09:48.836 --> 0:09:51.436 And you've got to bury on a woman on your booking, 0:09:52.196 --> 0:09:53.796 uh record? 0:09:54.356 --> 0:09:57.236 His history alone could make him a suspect. 0:09:58.036 --> 0:09:58.556 Y you know. 0:09:58.916 --> 0:10:01.196 It turned out it didn't matter because they found out 0:10:01.236 --> 0:10:03.556 everything anyway, all right, So. 0:10:03.516 --> 0:10:06.076 And I who who told them my name? I have 0:10:06.316 --> 0:10:10.076 no idea. I thought Jesus man, did somebody hate me 0:10:10.156 --> 0:10:11.996 that much to try to hook up to this. 0:10:14.036 --> 0:10:17.716 Someone had given Rick up to the cops. But it's 0:10:17.796 --> 0:10:23.476 unclear if he ever found out who. And was Rick 0:10:23.556 --> 0:10:24.276 saying anything? 0:10:24.516 --> 0:10:27.956 This was yelling? Was he doing? You remember. 0:10:30.036 --> 0:10:32.876 We found Lisa Lapour, the woman who told us about 0:10:32.956 --> 0:10:35.996 Rick strangling her, in the court documents from a legal 0:10:36.036 --> 0:10:40.076 dispute Mark and Allison had after they broke up. It 0:10:40.116 --> 0:10:43.756 turned out Rick strangling Lisa was the final stage of 0:10:43.796 --> 0:10:48.356 their strange relationship. What preceded it was like something out 0:10:48.396 --> 0:10:54.956 of a Raymond Chandler novel with meth. The first time 0:10:54.996 --> 0:10:58.556 I talked to Lisa on the phone, she immediately blurted 0:10:58.596 --> 0:11:01.636 out that she'd taken it upon herself to solve the 0:11:01.676 --> 0:11:05.836 my Teres Richardson case by inserting herself into the scene 0:11:05.876 --> 0:11:09.036 at Mark's house and making them like her in the 0:11:09.236 --> 0:11:11.796 hope that she could wheedle a confession out of Rick. 0:11:12.716 --> 0:11:15.276 When she finally agreed to let Haley and Me come over, 0:11:15.716 --> 0:11:19.596 she told us a wild story. It started with Allison. 0:11:21.596 --> 0:11:26.116 Yeah, I was watching this child, Alison's boy. 0:11:26.916 --> 0:11:30.036 While Alison was dating Mark off and on. She lived 0:11:30.036 --> 0:11:33.076 for a while in an apartment complex in Malibu Canyon. 0:11:34.156 --> 0:11:37.636 Lisa was Alison's neighbor in the apartment complex and helped 0:11:37.636 --> 0:11:40.676 her with her son. One day, this would have been 0:11:40.676 --> 0:11:44.316 around early twenty twelve, Lisa gets pulled over by a 0:11:44.356 --> 0:11:48.636 Lost Hill's deputy, unfairly, she thinks, and she tells Alison 0:11:48.676 --> 0:11:52.836 about it. That gets Alison going about the Lost Hills cops. 0:11:53.636 --> 0:11:57.196 So I go home. Phone rings, it's Alison and she 0:11:57.516 --> 0:11:59.516 I told her what had happened. She goes, Oh, those 0:11:59.516 --> 0:12:02.196 cops at lost Tills, they're not going to help. 0:12:02.076 --> 0:12:06.196 You, according to Lisa. Alison then tells her about a 0:12:06.196 --> 0:12:10.476 creepy guy up at Mark's house, Rick, who apparently has 0:12:10.516 --> 0:12:13.116 something to do with the death of my Terce Richardson. 0:12:13.796 --> 0:12:15.876 He didn't raper, He just chopped her up. This guy 0:12:15.916 --> 0:12:19.156 that's stayed in his house like what he didn't raper, 0:12:19.276 --> 0:12:21.956 He just chopped her up. I said, what are you saying? 0:12:22.476 --> 0:12:26.596 And my head was spinning. She goes, you want to 0:12:26.636 --> 0:12:28.476 go by Mark Skill writing later and I was just 0:12:28.516 --> 0:12:30.356 like no, and I'm like, wait a minute, Marks, that's 0:12:30.356 --> 0:12:31.076 where the guy is. 0:12:31.916 --> 0:12:35.436 Lisa's determined to find out what's going on, so she 0:12:35.596 --> 0:12:38.916 and Alison head over to Mark's place, and Lisa makes 0:12:38.916 --> 0:12:40.756 it her business to befriend Rick. 0:12:42.116 --> 0:12:43.596 So I had to go down there and make him 0:12:43.716 --> 0:12:46.476 like me. I had to make him accept me like 0:12:46.796 --> 0:12:50.196 cook form, bottom, drugs, all kinds of stuff, you know, 0:12:50.316 --> 0:12:52.676 to make him accept me into his world. 0:12:54.076 --> 0:12:57.916 Lisa may be reckless, but she isn't stupid. She wants 0:12:57.956 --> 0:13:01.316 to make sure someone knows what she's up to. So 0:13:01.436 --> 0:13:04.036 before she ever goes up to Mark's house and meets Rick, 0:13:04.316 --> 0:13:07.436 she makes contact with the watch commander at Lost Hill Station, 0:13:08.116 --> 0:13:12.436 Lieutenant James Royal. She tells him what she's heard about Rick. 0:13:13.876 --> 0:13:16.036 I told the police officer what I heard, and I said, 0:13:16.516 --> 0:13:18.196 I'm going to scream it from the tallest mountain. If 0:13:18.196 --> 0:13:21.996 you guys forgot something or whatever. I'm going to investigate 0:13:22.076 --> 0:13:24.316 this and because you know, if there's a killer down there, 0:13:24.316 --> 0:13:25.436 I'm going to find out about it. 0:13:27.716 --> 0:13:30.756 Lieutenant Royle wasn't at Lost Hell Station at the time 0:13:30.796 --> 0:13:34.036 of my Teresa's disappearance or the discovery of her remains, 0:13:34.436 --> 0:13:37.396 and he doesn't know much about the case. When he 0:13:37.476 --> 0:13:42.036 relays Lisa's information about Rick Forstburg to homicide, the detectives 0:13:42.116 --> 0:13:46.356 remember the twenty ten investigation into the ribcage at Rick's Fort. 0:13:47.196 --> 0:13:50.116 That inquiry was closed out when the bones turned out 0:13:50.116 --> 0:13:54.356 to be deer bones, but this information about Forstburg is 0:13:54.396 --> 0:13:56.676 different and potentially significant. 0:13:57.796 --> 0:13:59.636 The allegation was pretty intense. 0:14:00.316 --> 0:14:02.276 Sergeant to We write was. 0:14:02.276 --> 0:14:06.516 That somebody that lived in the Mantanito area was claiming 0:14:07.076 --> 0:14:13.436 that this individual force part had said it had either 0:14:13.516 --> 0:14:20.276 killed Matrise or was involved with Latrese. It sounded really interesting, 0:14:20.796 --> 0:14:22.916 like almost earth shattering. 0:14:24.156 --> 0:14:27.596 My Teresa's remains had been discovered in August twenty ten, 0:14:27.996 --> 0:14:30.316 and there'd been little to no progress on the case. 0:14:31.276 --> 0:14:34.996 Law enforcement had decided that, in the absence of other information, 0:14:35.596 --> 0:14:39.076 the most likely explanation for my Teresa's death is that 0:14:39.156 --> 0:14:44.236 she wandered into the canyon alone and died. But now 0:14:44.276 --> 0:14:47.636 there's this person with a history of violence against women 0:14:48.156 --> 0:14:51.876 who's already on the Sheriff's Department's radar, who may have 0:14:52.036 --> 0:14:56.996 a direct connection to my trees. And there's this other person, Lisa, 0:14:57.196 --> 0:15:00.636 who's telling law enforcement that she thinks she can get 0:15:00.716 --> 0:15:05.916 Rick to confess to her. It's a dangerous proposition. Rick 0:15:06.076 --> 0:15:09.396 is a violent criminal, and Lieutenant Royle tries to warren 0:15:09.516 --> 0:15:16.436 Lisa of the risks, but she won't listen. Lisa says 0:15:16.956 --> 0:15:19.756 she went with Rick to his fort. She takes my 0:15:19.836 --> 0:15:23.476 notebook and in a shaky hand, starts sketching a map. 0:15:25.076 --> 0:15:28.716 You go play, um, and then it cuts over this way, 0:15:30.076 --> 0:15:33.956 cuts over this way, and like that Rick's properties right. 0:15:33.876 --> 0:15:38.316 There, Okay, And was it kind of like dug out 0:15:38.356 --> 0:15:38.916 a little bit? 0:15:39.156 --> 0:15:42.356 Yeah? Yeah, he had it all dugout everything, little pathways, 0:15:43.476 --> 0:15:45.356 and I sew all kinds of stuff there, you know, 0:15:45.556 --> 0:15:47.356 just there were bones, I wasn't sure if they were 0:15:47.436 --> 0:15:51.076 human or animal or what. There was women's clothes there, 0:15:51.116 --> 0:15:53.836 and you know, it's a really neat fort, but it 0:15:53.916 --> 0:15:55.276 was just kind of spooky. You know. 0:15:56.676 --> 0:16:00.196 Lisa isn't an official informant or an agent of law enforcement, 0:16:00.756 --> 0:16:03.316 but the cops can't stop her from doing what she's doing, 0:16:03.876 --> 0:16:06.156 and they're open to hearing what she finds out and 0:16:06.196 --> 0:16:07.876 passing it up the chain to homicide. 0:16:09.276 --> 0:16:12.396 So this investigation went on and on, and I was 0:16:13.476 --> 0:16:15.796 delivering stuff to the police officers. 0:16:17.276 --> 0:16:20.276 There was talk of Dark Canyon, there was talk of 0:16:20.316 --> 0:16:23.636 growing marijuana. So when you put it all together, even 0:16:23.676 --> 0:16:30.436 though it's all circumstantial, it's very very interesting, and I 0:16:30.516 --> 0:16:33.996 was impressed. I mean, I was kind of shocked. But 0:16:34.156 --> 0:16:37.236 that's when I started to entertain the idea that perhaps 0:16:37.836 --> 0:16:42.076 there's more to this case. Perhaps this case isn't just 0:16:42.116 --> 0:16:45.996 a missing person, but there could be possibly some foul 0:16:46.036 --> 0:16:46.636 play involved. 0:16:48.236 --> 0:16:53.316 And then Rick invites Lisa to go hiking with him 0:16:53.356 --> 0:17:09.996 in Dark Canyon. After they've known each other for several weeks. 0:17:10.236 --> 0:17:13.036 Rick tells Lisa he wants to show her his pot 0:17:13.036 --> 0:17:18.636 grow in Dark Canyon, and Lisa wants to go. She's 0:17:18.676 --> 0:17:21.396 hoping Rick will take her to the exact spot where 0:17:21.396 --> 0:17:25.036 my Teresa's remains were found, a place only her killer 0:17:25.076 --> 0:17:29.556 would know. But the whole plan gets scuttled because, according 0:17:29.556 --> 0:17:32.996 to Sergeant Wright, just before Lisa's hike into Dark Canyon, 0:17:33.276 --> 0:17:37.396 the homicide detectives decide to interview Mark Wallace about Rick. 0:17:38.356 --> 0:17:41.116 Rick calls me and he goes, they think I killed that. 0:17:41.316 --> 0:17:43.116 You're in the canyon. I'm like what, and he goes, 0:17:43.156 --> 0:17:44.876 get over here. And I thought he knew me that 0:17:44.916 --> 0:17:45.876 I had outed him, you know. 0:17:46.876 --> 0:17:50.796 Lisa calls Lieutenant Royal from Lost Hill Station and her 0:17:50.796 --> 0:17:52.356 contact at the Homicide Bureau. 0:17:53.436 --> 0:17:56.116 I said, did you question Forest Burghett? He said no. 0:17:56.556 --> 0:17:58.916 I called the homicide detective. Did you question him? 0:17:58.956 --> 0:17:58.996 No? 0:17:59.596 --> 0:18:01.116 And I said he's telling me to come down there. 0:18:01.156 --> 0:18:03.476 They go, don't go, and I said, I'm going down. 0:18:03.356 --> 0:18:07.156 There, against the advice of law enforcement. Lisa goes to 0:18:07.196 --> 0:18:07.676 meet Rick. 0:18:08.436 --> 0:18:11.676 He got any drive and he goes, this was the 0:18:11.716 --> 0:18:13.036 last place I saw her alive. 0:18:14.356 --> 0:18:16.756 They stop in front of the Tennis court house. 0:18:17.316 --> 0:18:19.756 He goes right here. He said she was having an 0:18:19.836 --> 0:18:22.356 argument with the Channel five guy as a house there. 0:18:22.916 --> 0:18:24.596 He said, I should have protect her. I go protect 0:18:24.596 --> 0:18:25.156 her against what. 0:18:25.876 --> 0:18:29.196 At that point, Lisa ends up driving Rick to lost 0:18:29.236 --> 0:18:30.956 Heil station for his interview. 0:18:31.916 --> 0:18:35.276 So they had me deliver him to take a polygraph 0:18:35.516 --> 0:18:39.956 at the police station, and he passed with flying colors. 0:18:40.756 --> 0:18:44.276 Lisa is convinced that Rick killed my trees and that 0:18:44.356 --> 0:18:47.196 he passed the polygraph because he'd been taught how to 0:18:47.236 --> 0:18:48.676 beat one. 0:18:48.756 --> 0:18:50.916 He passed like you and I couldn't even pass because 0:18:50.916 --> 0:18:52.796 we know something about the case. You know, it was 0:18:52.836 --> 0:18:55.676 something would tick on it, you know. But I guess 0:18:55.676 --> 0:18:58.196 they can learn that in prison. It's a learned behavior 0:18:59.276 --> 0:19:04.236 that they can learn. So yeah, he got exonerated. You know. 0:19:05.596 --> 0:19:08.876 I asked Lisa if she ever heard Rick say anything 0:19:09.156 --> 0:19:10.156 about killing my trees. 0:19:11.316 --> 0:19:16.836 I would ask questions about it, and he just didn't. 0:19:16.876 --> 0:19:18.356 He just kind of pressed it off, you know, he 0:19:18.356 --> 0:19:21.236 didn't really talk about it. He's kind of an awkward character, 0:19:21.436 --> 0:19:21.676 you know. 0:19:22.236 --> 0:19:24.796 But she does have her own theory of why Rick 0:19:24.836 --> 0:19:28.396 would have harmed my traes, based on knowing him and 0:19:28.436 --> 0:19:29.876 his attitudes. 0:19:30.556 --> 0:19:34.076 Whenever he was, you know, telling me about that when 0:19:34.116 --> 0:19:38.276 he saw her, you know, because she was a lesbian, Okay, 0:19:38.356 --> 0:19:41.276 she was black, all the things that Rick hated, you know, 0:19:41.876 --> 0:19:45.356 So I think that what had happened is he picked 0:19:45.356 --> 0:19:47.636 her up, found out that she was a lesbian, and 0:19:47.676 --> 0:19:51.916 then just snapped, you know, he snapped and he went after. 0:19:53.516 --> 0:19:56.836 Sergeant Wright says, as far as he knows, the investigation 0:19:56.956 --> 0:19:59.796 into Forrestburgh ended with the polygraph. 0:20:00.796 --> 0:20:05.676 I heard that basically he passed to Polly. And of 0:20:05.676 --> 0:20:08.676 course there's been other cases, and like the Green River 0:20:08.756 --> 0:20:11.516 case for instance. I mean, some people pass paulings and 0:20:11.596 --> 0:20:14.476 they lie. But I don't know. I mean, they checked 0:20:14.476 --> 0:20:17.356 it all out, supposedly, and it weren't nowhere. 0:20:18.756 --> 0:20:22.156 Sergeant Wright isn't privy to the details of the homicide investigation. 0:20:23.316 --> 0:20:25.756 I mean, on one hand, somebody could think they kissed 0:20:25.756 --> 0:20:28.076 it off on on the other hand, I would have 0:20:28.156 --> 0:20:33.516 expected somebody to go real deep on it. And I 0:20:33.676 --> 0:20:35.596 just have no way of knowing if that happened or not. 0:20:37.356 --> 0:20:41.076 One thing is clear, homicide didn't pursue a case against 0:20:41.196 --> 0:20:44.516 Rick Forsberg. He was never named as a suspect and 0:20:44.636 --> 0:20:48.396 charges were not filed. The most maddening part is that 0:20:48.476 --> 0:20:51.836 we don't know why Haley and I tried reaching people 0:20:52.036 --> 0:20:55.116 up and down the chain of command, including three retired 0:20:55.116 --> 0:20:59.236 homicide detectives who'd worked the case. No one wanted to 0:20:59.236 --> 0:21:03.036 get involved, and the homicide lieutenant in charge of cold 0:21:03.076 --> 0:21:06.476 cases at the Sheriff's Department told me there's currently no 0:21:06.556 --> 0:21:12.036 investigator assigned to my Teresa's case. It's been investigated and reinvestigated, 0:21:12.436 --> 0:21:15.916 and without new evidence, it will remain just as it 0:21:15.996 --> 0:21:22.196 is in limbo. Not long ago, I had a clarifying 0:21:22.236 --> 0:21:27.116 conversation with a retired LAPD robbery homicide detective who specializes 0:21:27.156 --> 0:21:30.636 in cold cases. In his view, the problem with my 0:21:30.756 --> 0:21:34.596 Teresa's case is the undetermined cause of death that puts 0:21:34.596 --> 0:21:38.036 it in a kind of no man's land. Law enforcement 0:21:38.076 --> 0:21:41.196 agencies are businesses, he said, and if you're not solving 0:21:41.196 --> 0:21:45.516 a homicide, you're wasting company time. Add to that that 0:21:45.596 --> 0:21:49.276 my Trees Richardson case was highly politicized. Who would want 0:21:49.276 --> 0:21:55.596 to risk their reputation on a case like that? Of course, 0:21:55.916 --> 0:21:59.236 Haley and I wanted to talk to Mark Wallace. Rick 0:21:59.316 --> 0:22:01.756 had been in and out of the Walipad around the 0:22:01.796 --> 0:22:06.596 time of my Teresa's disappearance. Lisa Lapour had insinuated herself 0:22:06.676 --> 0:22:09.316 into the scene there to get to Wreck, and the 0:22:09.356 --> 0:22:13.396 homicide detectives had interviewed Mark about Rick's involvement with my trees. 0:22:14.436 --> 0:22:18.636 Alison Joiner, Mark's ex girlfriend, told us she was convinced 0:22:18.756 --> 0:22:19.836 Mark knew what happened. 0:22:20.676 --> 0:22:22.876 There's no question in my mind. I mean, I know, 0:22:22.876 --> 0:22:24.876 I shouldn't say I know, but I know, totally know. 0:22:24.956 --> 0:22:29.356 He knows. Marson knows, he motherfucker, and he knows everything 0:22:29.396 --> 0:22:29.836 that goes on. 0:22:30.836 --> 0:22:35.036 But it wasn't just Allison, just about everyone we spoke to, 0:22:35.076 --> 0:22:38.516 and Montanito told us if anyone would have the answer 0:22:38.596 --> 0:22:40.836 we were looking for, it would be Mark. 0:22:41.956 --> 0:22:48.716 He knew everything, Mark Warreles Wallace, Mark Corlis knows, he knows. 0:22:48.796 --> 0:22:53.116 Rick Wallace was absolutely on fire. He had lots of information. 0:22:54.236 --> 0:22:56.316 Mark knows one hundred percent. 0:22:59.796 --> 0:23:02.356 Last fourth of July, I was thousands of miles from 0:23:02.356 --> 0:23:05.276 Montanito eating a lobster roll when I got a text. 0:23:06.316 --> 0:23:08.956 Just spoke with Mark Wallace at the Montanito parade. The 0:23:09.156 --> 0:23:14.116 text read, Naturally, everything in Montanito revolves around the fourth 0:23:14.156 --> 0:23:19.116 of July parade. The text continued, he thinks he knows 0:23:19.116 --> 0:23:21.916 who did it, a guy who was in prison for 0:23:21.956 --> 0:23:24.556 sixteen years and was living in Montanito at the time. 0:23:26.276 --> 0:23:30.676 That tracked pretty closely with Rick's history. But the best 0:23:30.716 --> 0:23:33.756 part of the text was the line that read, he 0:23:33.836 --> 0:23:39.516 said he'll talk to you after the fourth of July. Text. 0:23:39.716 --> 0:23:43.596 I called Mark several times in September. I got a 0:23:43.636 --> 0:23:47.596 text back saying he could talk later that day, but 0:23:47.676 --> 0:23:53.076 he didn't pick up. Instead, Mark wrote me another text, quote, 0:23:53.316 --> 0:23:57.796