Speaker 1: Pushkin. In the spring of twenty eleven, Rick's friend Jay
Speaker 1: Engelshall was arrested and charged with selling heroin. Jay ended
Speaker 1: up having to serve more than a year in county jail,
Speaker 1: and one night while he was in custody, he had
Speaker 1: some visitors.
Speaker 2: They said, I had a visit, and I'm like, really,
Speaker 2: I was a little late for a visit, and then
Speaker 2: I find out that it's two detectives. They wanted to
Speaker 2: ask me questions.
Speaker 1: They wanted to talk about Rick.
Speaker 2: They asked me about Rick in his fort, and I
Speaker 2: told him everything I knew, and they asked me if
Speaker 2: I had ever been up there at the fort, and
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, you know, I'm drinking a beer or
Speaker 2: smoking cigarette or whatever, because at that point, who knows
Speaker 2: a DNA and everything else. But I wasn't gonna lie
Speaker 2: to him. I wanted to tell him everything I could
Speaker 2: and hopefully be helpful. And they asked me a few questions,
Speaker 2: like how long has Rick been staying there? How often's
Speaker 2: he go up there?
Speaker 1: They asked Jay if he knew anything about Rick and
Speaker 1: my Terce Richardson, And.
Speaker 2: What the coups asked me was, do you think you'd
Speaker 2: be a good suspect, and I said I would look
Speaker 2: into it because he's violent with women. And you guys
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: By this time, it was pretty much an open secret
Speaker 1: in Montanito that people thought Rick was involved in my
Speaker 1: Teresa's disappearance.
Speaker 2: Everybody just sort of joked about it in a way.
Speaker 2: You know, Rick, are you sure you don't know what
Speaker 2: happened to her? And this and that, you know, something
Speaker 2: like that. And then me and my friend started thinking
Speaker 2: about a little bit more worth, thinking well, maybe he
Speaker 2: could have had something to do with it. You know.
Speaker 1: Homicide detectives had already looked into Rick in twenty ten
Speaker 1: before my Teresa's remains were found, but they dismissed him
Speaker 1: as a person of interest when the ribcage at the
Speaker 1: fort turned out to be deer bones. This in spite
Speaker 1: of Rick's known history of violence against women and the
Speaker 1: proximity of his fort to the place in Dark Canyon
Speaker 1: where My Trece's remains were ultimately found. But now some
Speaker 1: two years later, the detectives were taking another look at Rick.
Speaker 1: This time they were focusing on the house where Rick
Speaker 1: would often crash, the house belonging to his firefighter friend
Speaker 1: Mark Wallace. The Mark Wallace, whose business card read head
Speaker 1: honcho slash motherfucker in charge. This would be the Sheriff's
Speaker 1: Department's best chance to confront Rick Forsberg about my race.
Speaker 1: I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, Episode ten.
Speaker 1: The Wallypad Mark Wallace's house, the place Rick hung out
Speaker 1: and stayed on and off, has a nickname the Wallypad.
Speaker 1: Mark built the house himself using boulders he scavenged from
Speaker 1: rock slides and lumber from the old Malibu pier.
Speaker 3: It's all the old rusty wood and like the woodworking
Speaker 3: in there, I mean everything is perfectly chiseled in, like
Speaker 3: the fireplace.
Speaker 4: Me and we could sleep in it.
Speaker 3: It's like our bedroom.
Speaker 1: This is Alison Joyner. She's an ex girlfriend of Mark's.
Speaker 3: He built it from ground up, so you know, and
Speaker 3: I mean it's a gorgeous home. He it's phenomenal. Actually
Speaker 3: he killed it. It's one of the coolest houses I've seen.
Speaker 1: In la Alison's a kick a pint sized hair and
Speaker 1: makeup artist who's also a stunt woman. On the day
Speaker 1: we visit her, she tells us she's prepping for a
Speaker 1: shoot with Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
Speaker 4: I'm from Georgia.
Speaker 3: I red nuts, I remembering bear when I love it
Speaker 3: in your Airwin, Do y'all want a Guinness?
Speaker 1: We sit down at her kitchen table and she pours
Speaker 1: herself a beer into a glass jar from the high
Speaker 1: end organic market Airwan.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've paid like thirty dollars for the pistachios
Speaker 3: and what the fuck up?
Speaker 4: As wells right beer out of it? I might get
Speaker 4: rid of it.
Speaker 1: She met Mark in twenty ten, and in twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: she says, she started spending time at the Wallypad with
Speaker 1: her son, who was around six years old at the time.
Speaker 1: Allison says the way she met Mark was totally random.
Speaker 1: She had this makeup artist friend.
Speaker 3: She's an amazing makeup artist, and she worked for this photographer
Speaker 3: who did like Black Men's magazine and like she did,
Speaker 3: called Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1: Her friend, and the photographer specialized in a niche area.
Speaker 3: I call it the ass before the face photography. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't think it's porn, but it's just like,
Speaker 3: excuse me, but jail jack off magazines, you know, that's
Speaker 3: what they are to me.
Speaker 1: In March of twenty ten, Alison's friend asked her to
Speaker 1: come help with hair at a shoot in Montanito. This
Speaker 1: was about six months after my Rise went missing and
Speaker 1: five months before her remains were found. Alison pulled up
Speaker 1: to the walipad. The shoot was happening in some lower
Speaker 1: part of the property where there was a pig pen
Speaker 1: and an old pig named Oscar Meyer. She didn't even
Speaker 1: go down there, she was just working on the model.
Speaker 3: Were there for hours. I didn't know what we were doing.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a cute girl. It was just
Speaker 3: like a cute girl.
Speaker 5: So we were doing her hair, in her.
Speaker 3: Makeup, and then I'm like two hours later, I'm like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing?
Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, a porn shoot.
Speaker 1: And then Mark showed up and put on a charm offensive.
Speaker 3: He's a sweet tucker. He's fun, he's very smart. He
Speaker 3: knows a lot about history and the artifact. He's just
Speaker 3: he's one of those dudes that kind of any conversation
Speaker 3: you get into him, he'll know something about or he'll
Speaker 3: bullshit his way through it. And he gets very respected
Speaker 3: because he's a fireman.
Speaker 1: Mark was impressive in a very man's man kind of way,
Speaker 1: building bonfires and launching expeditions and charging around the neighborhood
Speaker 1: on a horse or in a back hoe.
Speaker 3: Mark's mister boy scout boy. Like, if you're going to
Speaker 3: survive anywhere, it's gonna be with Mark. He will build
Speaker 3: up a whole one hundred feet down in a night.
Speaker 3: I mean, the dude can do anything. I don't care
Speaker 3: if it's from welding to fixing a car, you know,
Speaker 3: cutting down a fucking forty foot tree onto it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like it's insane. He'll go up to a rattlestick and
Speaker 3: literally go down and grab him in the head and
Speaker 3: swing him around and their head comes off. I've seen
Speaker 3: it with my other fucking eyes twice.
Speaker 1: This whole Montanito mountain man scene was kind of familiar
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 3: I grew up wealthy people. They wanted to be white trash,
Speaker 3: and to me, that's cal Bassis, that's Montanito, and it's
Speaker 3: like high class white trash over there.
Speaker 1: Soon after Alison started dating Mark, she met Rick, who
Speaker 1: often stayed over at Mark's house.
Speaker 3: He was a cool guy. He looked like a Malibu
Speaker 3: rich beach bum guy. I just remember him in his
Speaker 3: scruffy white shirt with his blue jeane cut off pants.
Speaker 3: Who's fucking barefooted. I was just remembering long scruff hair
Speaker 3: is like that mousey brown some gold in it. I
Speaker 3: was like, dude, you had to have been cute when
Speaker 3: you were younger.
Speaker 1: She didn't find Rick threatening quite the opposite.
Speaker 3: If I saw Ricky at night, I'd be like, fuck,
Speaker 3: I'm safe, No, because he's he just is a cool personality.
Speaker 3: You don't feel sketchiness.
Speaker 1: But then one day Mark told Alison something about Rick
Speaker 1: that changed the way she thought about him.
Speaker 3: We were up in the garage and he casually goes
Speaker 3: that girl that died a couple of years ago. He goes,
Speaker 3: they think that he killed her, and I'm like, well
Speaker 3: did he? And he just gave me this weird look.
Speaker 1: All these years later, Alison can still replay this moment
Speaker 1: like a little movie in her head.
Speaker 3: He just went serious in like quiet for a second.
Speaker 3: To have a pause, A quiet with Mark Wallace's shocking
Speaker 3: because he's not a quiet guy. So for me, it
Speaker 3: was you know, I remember it. I still fucking remember it.
Speaker 1: That's when Alison knew she had to get herself and
Speaker 1: her child far away from the wallypad.
Speaker 4: You know what, you know, I never I don't know
Speaker 4: they have the facts of that issue.
Speaker 1: In the video where Rick is being interviewed by Raven,
Speaker 1: Rick gives an explanation for why he didn't go to
Speaker 1: the cops after seeing my trees the day she disappeared.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you tell you the truth right
Speaker 4: the first night. But I go, you know, I to
Speaker 4: just go to the cops, you know, And I was going,
Speaker 4: for all, what.
Speaker 5: Are you gonna don't they ask you?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And you've got to bury on a woman on your booking,
Speaker 5: uh record?
Speaker 1: His history alone could make him a suspect.
Speaker 6: Y you know.
Speaker 2: It turned out it didn't matter because they found out
Speaker 2: everything anyway, all right, So.
Speaker 4: And I who who told them my name? I have
Speaker 4: no idea. I thought Jesus man, did somebody hate me
Speaker 4: that much to try to hook up to this.
Speaker 1: Someone had given Rick up to the cops. But it's
Speaker 1: unclear if he ever found out who. And was Rick
Speaker 1: saying anything?
Speaker 5: This was yelling? Was he doing? You remember.
Speaker 1: We found Lisa Lapour, the woman who told us about
Speaker 1: Rick strangling her, in the court documents from a legal
Speaker 1: dispute Mark and Allison had after they broke up. It
Speaker 1: turned out Rick strangling Lisa was the final stage of
Speaker 1: their strange relationship. What preceded it was like something out
Speaker 1: of a Raymond Chandler novel with meth. The first time
Speaker 1: I talked to Lisa on the phone, she immediately blurted
Speaker 1: out that she'd taken it upon herself to solve the
Speaker 1: my Teres Richardson case by inserting herself into the scene
Speaker 1: at Mark's house and making them like her in the
Speaker 1: hope that she could wheedle a confession out of Rick.
Speaker 1: When she finally agreed to let Haley and Me come over,
Speaker 1: she told us a wild story. It started with Allison.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was watching this child, Alison's boy.
Speaker 1: While Alison was dating Mark off and on. She lived
Speaker 1: for a while in an apartment complex in Malibu Canyon.
Speaker 1: Lisa was Alison's neighbor in the apartment complex and helped
Speaker 1: her with her son. One day, this would have been
Speaker 1: around early twenty twelve, Lisa gets pulled over by a
Speaker 1: Lost Hill's deputy, unfairly, she thinks, and she tells Alison
Speaker 1: about it. That gets Alison going about the Lost Hills cops.
Speaker 5: So I go home. Phone rings, it's Alison and she
Speaker 5: I told her what had happened. She goes, Oh, those
Speaker 5: cops at lost Tills, they're not going to help.
Speaker 1: You, according to Lisa. Alison then tells her about a
Speaker 1: creepy guy up at Mark's house, Rick, who apparently has
Speaker 1: something to do with the death of my Terce Richardson.
Speaker 5: He didn't raper, He just chopped her up. This guy
Speaker 5: that's stayed in his house like what he didn't raper,
Speaker 5: He just chopped her up. I said, what are you saying?
Speaker 5: And my head was spinning. She goes, you want to
Speaker 5: go by Mark Skill writing later and I was just
Speaker 5: like no, and I'm like, wait a minute, Marks, that's
Speaker 5: where the guy is.
Speaker 1: Lisa's determined to find out what's going on, so she
Speaker 1: and Alison head over to Mark's place, and Lisa makes
Speaker 1: it her business to befriend Rick.
Speaker 5: So I had to go down there and make him
Speaker 5: like me. I had to make him accept me like
Speaker 5: cook form, bottom, drugs, all kinds of stuff, you know,
Speaker 5: to make him accept me into his world.
Speaker 1: Lisa may be reckless, but she isn't stupid. She wants
Speaker 1: to make sure someone knows what she's up to. So
Speaker 1: before she ever goes up to Mark's house and meets Rick,
Speaker 1: she makes contact with the watch commander at Lost Hill Station,
Speaker 1: Lieutenant James Royal. She tells him what she's heard about Rick.
Speaker 5: I told the police officer what I heard, and I said,
Speaker 5: I'm going to scream it from the tallest mountain. If
Speaker 5: you guys forgot something or whatever. I'm going to investigate
Speaker 5: this and because you know, if there's a killer down there,
Speaker 5: I'm going to find out about it.
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Royle wasn't at Lost Hell Station at the time
Speaker 1: of my Teresa's disappearance or the discovery of her remains,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't know much about the case. When he
Speaker 1: relays Lisa's information about Rick Forstburg to homicide, the detectives
Speaker 1: remember the twenty ten investigation into the ribcage at Rick's Fort.
Speaker 1: That inquiry was closed out when the bones turned out
Speaker 1: to be deer bones, but this information about Forstburg is
Speaker 1: different and potentially significant.
Speaker 4: The allegation was pretty intense.
Speaker 1: Sergeant to We write was.
Speaker 4: That somebody that lived in the Mantanito area was claiming
Speaker 4: that this individual force part had said it had either
Speaker 4: killed Matrise or was involved with Latrese. It sounded really interesting,
Speaker 4: like almost earth shattering.
Speaker 1: My Teresa's remains had been discovered in August twenty ten,
Speaker 1: and there'd been little to no progress on the case.
Speaker 1: Law enforcement had decided that, in the absence of other information,
Speaker 1: the most likely explanation for my Teresa's death is that
Speaker 1: she wandered into the canyon alone and died. But now
Speaker 1: there's this person with a history of violence against women
Speaker 1: who's already on the Sheriff's Department's radar, who may have
Speaker 1: a direct connection to my trees. And there's this other person, Lisa,
Speaker 1: who's telling law enforcement that she thinks she can get
Speaker 1: Rick to confess to her. It's a dangerous proposition. Rick
Speaker 1: is a violent criminal, and Lieutenant Royle tries to warren
Speaker 1: Lisa of the risks, but she won't listen. Lisa says
Speaker 1: she went with Rick to his fort. She takes my
Speaker 1: notebook and in a shaky hand, starts sketching a map.
Speaker 5: You go play, um, and then it cuts over this way,
Speaker 5: cuts over this way, and like that Rick's properties right.
Speaker 1: There, Okay, And was it kind of like dug out
Speaker 1: a little bit?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, he had it all dugout everything, little pathways,
Speaker 5: and I sew all kinds of stuff there, you know,
Speaker 5: just there were bones, I wasn't sure if they were
Speaker 5: human or animal or what. There was women's clothes there,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's a really neat fort, but it
Speaker 5: was just kind of spooky. You know.
Speaker 1: Lisa isn't an official informant or an agent of law enforcement,
Speaker 1: but the cops can't stop her from doing what she's doing,
Speaker 1: and they're open to hearing what she finds out and
Speaker 1: passing it up the chain to homicide.
Speaker 5: So this investigation went on and on, and I was
Speaker 5: delivering stuff to the police officers.
Speaker 4: There was talk of Dark Canyon, there was talk of
Speaker 4: growing marijuana. So when you put it all together, even
Speaker 4: though it's all circumstantial, it's very very interesting, and I
Speaker 4: was impressed. I mean, I was kind of shocked. But
Speaker 4: that's when I started to entertain the idea that perhaps
Speaker 4: there's more to this case. Perhaps this case isn't just
Speaker 4: a missing person, but there could be possibly some foul
Speaker 4: play involved.
Speaker 1: And then Rick invites Lisa to go hiking with him
Speaker 1: in Dark Canyon. After they've known each other for several weeks.
Speaker 1: Rick tells Lisa he wants to show her his pot
Speaker 1: grow in Dark Canyon, and Lisa wants to go. She's
Speaker 1: hoping Rick will take her to the exact spot where
Speaker 1: my Teresa's remains were found, a place only her killer
Speaker 1: would know. But the whole plan gets scuttled because, according
Speaker 1: to Sergeant Wright, just before Lisa's hike into Dark Canyon,
Speaker 1: the homicide detectives decide to interview Mark Wallace about Rick.
Speaker 5: Rick calls me and he goes, they think I killed that.
Speaker 5: You're in the canyon. I'm like what, and he goes,
Speaker 5: get over here. And I thought he knew me that
Speaker 5: I had outed him, you know.
Speaker 1: Lisa calls Lieutenant Royal from Lost Hill Station and her
Speaker 1: contact at the Homicide Bureau.
Speaker 5: I said, did you question Forest Burghett? He said no.
Speaker 5: I called the homicide detective. Did you question him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: And I said he's telling me to come down there.
Speaker 5: They go, don't go, and I said, I'm going down.
Speaker 1: There, against the advice of law enforcement. Lisa goes to
Speaker 1: meet Rick.
Speaker 5: He got any drive and he goes, this was the
Speaker 5: last place I saw her alive.
Speaker 1: They stop in front of the Tennis court house.
Speaker 5: He goes right here. He said she was having an
Speaker 5: argument with the Channel five guy as a house there.
Speaker 5: He said, I should have protect her. I go protect
Speaker 5: her against what.
Speaker 1: At that point, Lisa ends up driving Rick to lost
Speaker 1: Heil station for his interview.
Speaker 5: So they had me deliver him to take a polygraph
Speaker 5: at the police station, and he passed with flying colors.
Speaker 1: Lisa is convinced that Rick killed my trees and that
Speaker 1: he passed the polygraph because he'd been taught how to
Speaker 1: beat one.
Speaker 5: He passed like you and I couldn't even pass because
Speaker 5: we know something about the case. You know, it was
Speaker 5: something would tick on it, you know. But I guess
Speaker 5: they can learn that in prison. It's a learned behavior
Speaker 5: that they can learn. So yeah, he got exonerated. You know.
Speaker 1: I asked Lisa if she ever heard Rick say anything
Speaker 1: about killing my trees.
Speaker 5: I would ask questions about it, and he just didn't.
Speaker 5: He just kind of pressed it off, you know, he
Speaker 5: didn't really talk about it. He's kind of an awkward character,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: But she does have her own theory of why Rick
Speaker 1: would have harmed my traes, based on knowing him and
Speaker 1: his attitudes.
Speaker 5: Whenever he was, you know, telling me about that when
Speaker 5: he saw her, you know, because she was a lesbian, Okay,
Speaker 5: she was black, all the things that Rick hated, you know,
Speaker 5: So I think that what had happened is he picked
Speaker 5: her up, found out that she was a lesbian, and
Speaker 5: then just snapped, you know, he snapped and he went after.
Speaker 1: Sergeant Wright says, as far as he knows, the investigation
Speaker 1: into Forrestburgh ended with the polygraph.
Speaker 4: I heard that basically he passed to Polly. And of
Speaker 4: course there's been other cases, and like the Green River
Speaker 4: case for instance. I mean, some people pass paulings and
Speaker 4: they lie. But I don't know. I mean, they checked
Speaker 4: it all out, supposedly, and it weren't nowhere.
Speaker 1: Sergeant Wright isn't privy to the details of the homicide investigation.
Speaker 4: I mean, on one hand, somebody could think they kissed
Speaker 4: it off on on the other hand, I would have
Speaker 4: expected somebody to go real deep on it. And I
Speaker 4: just have no way of knowing if that happened or not.
Speaker 1: One thing is clear, homicide didn't pursue a case against
Speaker 1: Rick Forsberg. He was never named as a suspect and
Speaker 1: charges were not filed. The most maddening part is that
Speaker 1: we don't know why Haley and I tried reaching people
Speaker 1: up and down the chain of command, including three retired
Speaker 1: homicide detectives who'd worked the case. No one wanted to
Speaker 1: get involved, and the homicide lieutenant in charge of cold
Speaker 1: cases at the Sheriff's Department told me there's currently no
Speaker 1: investigator assigned to my Teresa's case. It's been investigated and reinvestigated,
Speaker 1: and without new evidence, it will remain just as it
Speaker 1: is in limbo. Not long ago, I had a clarifying
Speaker 1: conversation with a retired LAPD robbery homicide detective who specializes
Speaker 1: in cold cases. In his view, the problem with my
Speaker 1: Teresa's case is the undetermined cause of death that puts
Speaker 1: it in a kind of no man's land. Law enforcement
Speaker 1: agencies are businesses, he said, and if you're not solving
Speaker 1: a homicide, you're wasting company time. Add to that that
Speaker 1: my Trees Richardson case was highly politicized. Who would want
Speaker 1: to risk their reputation on a case like that? Of course,
Speaker 1: Haley and I wanted to talk to Mark Wallace. Rick
Speaker 1: had been in and out of the Walipad around the
Speaker 1: time of my Teresa's disappearance. Lisa Lapour had insinuated herself
Speaker 1: into the scene there to get to Wreck, and the
Speaker 1: homicide detectives had interviewed Mark about Rick's involvement with my trees.
Speaker 1: Alison Joiner, Mark's ex girlfriend, told us she was convinced
Speaker 1: Mark knew what happened.
Speaker 3: There's no question in my mind. I mean, I know,
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say I know, but I know, totally know.
Speaker 3: He knows. Marson knows, he motherfucker, and he knows everything
Speaker 3: that goes on.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just Allison, just about everyone we spoke to,
Speaker 1: and Montanito told us if anyone would have the answer
Speaker 1: we were looking for, it would be Mark.
Speaker 3: He knew everything, Mark Warreles Wallace, Mark Corlis knows, he knows.
Speaker 4: Rick Wallace was absolutely on fire. He had lots of information.
Speaker 3: Mark knows one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Last fourth of July, I was thousands of miles from
Speaker 1: Montanito eating a lobster roll when I got a text.
Speaker 1: Just spoke with Mark Wallace at the Montanito parade. The
Speaker 1: text read, Naturally, everything in Montanito revolves around the fourth
Speaker 1: of July parade. The text continued, he thinks he knows
Speaker 1: who did it, a guy who was in prison for
Speaker 1: sixteen years and was living in Montanito at the time.
Speaker 1: That tracked pretty closely with Rick's history. But the best
Speaker 1: part of the text was the line that read, he
Speaker 1: said he'll talk to you after the fourth of July. Text.
Speaker 1: I called Mark several times in September. I got a
Speaker 1: text back saying he could talk later that day, but
Speaker 1: he didn't pick up. Instead, Mark wrote me another text, quote,
Speaker 1: I'm very leery about talking. Sorry. The sheriffs out here
Speaker 1: are very threatening. He went on. They put a CI
Speaker 1: in my home and surveillance on my property. Unquote. A
Speaker 1: CI is copy talk for a confidential informant. He must
Speaker 1: be talking about Lisa, though she was really more of
Speaker 1: a citizen detective than a CI, he wrote. Quote. The
Speaker 1: whole episode with Rick and LACSD that's the La County
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department was a nightmare that I got sucked into
Speaker 1: solely because I let Rix stay in my house during
Speaker 1: a very cold winter end.
Speaker 5: Quote.
Speaker 1: I want you to know I'm not a callous person
Speaker 1: and that I have strong feelings about my Terce Richardson
Speaker 1: and this tragedy. I had nothing to do with her demise.
Speaker 1: During my reporting, I stumbled upon something the Sheriff's department
Speaker 1: may have missed during their investigation into Rick and the
Speaker 1: goings on at the wallypad. A detail from their own
Speaker 1: searches for my Teres in the days after her disappearance.
Speaker 1: The list of what we know about my Teres's movements
Speaker 1: within Montanito on September seventeenth, two thousand and nine is
Speaker 1: short and contradictory. Rick Forsberg in the video says he
Speaker 1: heard her at four point thirty in the morning in
Speaker 1: front of the Tennis Court house. Karen Smith, the owner
Speaker 1: of the house, says she saw her at six point
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning in the backyard. Deputies found my
Speaker 1: Terce's footprints on the horse trail beside the Smith's leading
Speaker 1: down into their backyard. They also found her footprints running
Speaker 1: from the Smith's backyard out to the street in front.
Speaker 1: That's consistent with Karen Smith's story. Rick's story is not
Speaker 1: supported by any footprint evidence. Scent dogs indicated that my
Speaker 1: Rise had also been at the next house over on
Speaker 1: Cold Canyon Road.
Speaker 4: I do recall the dog leaving the Smith's property from
Speaker 4: the front and walking eastbound on Cold Canyon Road in the.
Speaker 1: Dirt, and then the scent went cold at the next
Speaker 1: house over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it appeared to go to that house or go
Speaker 4: cold after that house.
Speaker 1: It was as if my Teres had vanished into thin.
Speaker 4: Air, and that is common in some missing person cases,
Speaker 4: where we follow a scent with scent dogs that appear
Speaker 4: to have a actually locked into ascent, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden it just stops in the middle of a
Speaker 4: road and that happens, and that's consistent with somebody being
Speaker 4: picked up.
Speaker 1: There is no further mention of my Teres's scent or
Speaker 1: her footprints in the official reports, but when I got
Speaker 1: in touch with a member of the Sheriff's Department search team,
Speaker 1: he said an additional set of Vans prints matching those
Speaker 1: found at the Tennis Court House had been found about
Speaker 1: two miles away at the top of Cold Canyon Road,
Speaker 1: based on the appearance of the impressions in the dirt.
Speaker 1: The deputy told me the two two sets of tracks
Speaker 1: had been laid down around the same time, but there
Speaker 1: was no way to know which ones had been left first.
Speaker 1: The tracks at the top of Cold Canyon were in
Speaker 1: what he described as a loitering pattern. He said, apparently
Speaker 1: my trees paused at that location. We have no idea
Speaker 1: for how long, and unfortunately we don't know where she
Speaker 1: went from there. When I heard about the prince at
Speaker 1: the top of Cold Canyon. I felt a not form
Speaker 1: in my stomach. This was a totally new piece of
Speaker 1: information about my Teresa's movements in Montanito. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: just that it was the location where she was loitering.
Speaker 1: She was loitering outside Mark Wallace's house. At the time
Speaker 1: my Teresa's tracks were discovered at the top of Cold Canyon,
Speaker 1: law enforcement was searching for a missing person. They weren't
Speaker 1: thinking about Rick Forsberg, or who his friends were or
Speaker 1: where he spent time. Deputies did search Mark's property back then,
Speaker 1: but they didn't find any signs of my Trees and
Speaker 1: that was it. So those footsteps would have been just
Speaker 1: another dead end that caused investigators to scratch their heads
Speaker 1: at the ever expanding mystery of my Trees. Years later,
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, after her remains had been found, when
Speaker 1: homicide detectives were focusing on the rumors about a strange
Speaker 1: guy with a fort who spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: at Mark Wallace's house, did anyone remember that my Teres's
Speaker 1: footprints had been found right outside. Maybe it was an
Speaker 1: incredible coincidence, or maybe it would have helped them solve
Speaker 1: the case. Either way, Rick never told the cops what
Speaker 1: happened next after he encountered my trees outside the tennis
Speaker 1: court house, but he did tell someone next time on
Speaker 1: Lost Hills.
Speaker 6: He wanted to tell me something because he had his
Speaker 6: head down and he kept rubbing through his hair, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, Rick, please, I really don't want to hear
Speaker 6: this because then I would feel obligated to have to
Speaker 6: say something.
Speaker 1: That's next on episode eleven. The suitcase. Lost Hills is
Speaker 1: written and hosted by Me Dana Goodyear. It was reported
Speaker 1: by me and Hailey Fox, our senior producer. The show
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