1 00:00:15,066 --> 00:00:15,506 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:23,456 --> 00:00:27,476 Speaker 2: In the spring of 2011, Rick's friend Jay Engelshall was 3 00:00:27,516 --> 00:00:31,296 Speaker 2: arrested and charged with selling heroin. Jay ended up having 4 00:00:31,336 --> 00:00:34,716 Speaker 2: to serve more than a year in county jail. And 5 00:00:34,816 --> 00:00:37,896 Speaker 2: one night, while he was in custody, he had some visitors. 6 00:00:38,856 --> 00:00:41,136 Speaker 3: They said I had a visit. And I'm like, really? 7 00:00:41,156 --> 00:00:42,956 Speaker 3: I was a little late for a visit. And then 8 00:00:43,686 --> 00:00:46,286 Speaker 3: I find out that it's two detectives, and they wanted 9 00:00:46,306 --> 00:00:47,366 Speaker 3: to ask me questions. 10 00:00:48,326 --> 00:00:49,556 Speaker 2: They wanted to talk about Rick. 11 00:00:50,526 --> 00:00:52,356 Speaker 3: They asked me about Rick and his fort, and I 12 00:00:52,796 --> 00:00:55,696 Speaker 3: told them everything I knew, and they asked me if 13 00:00:55,776 --> 00:00:58,316 Speaker 3: I'd ever been up there at the fort, and I said, yeah, 14 00:00:58,336 --> 00:01:02,266 Speaker 3: you know, drinking a beer or smoking a cigarette or whatever, 15 00:01:02,486 --> 00:01:06,586 Speaker 3: because at that point, who knows, DNA and everything else, 16 00:01:06,646 --> 00:01:09,546 Speaker 3: but I wasn't going to lie to them. I wanted 17 00:01:09,566 --> 00:01:12,186 Speaker 3: to tell them everything I could and hopefully be helpful, 18 00:01:12,586 --> 00:01:15,976 Speaker 3: and the They asked me a few questions like, how 19 00:01:16,016 --> 00:01:17,976 Speaker 3: long has Rick been staying there? How often does he 20 00:01:18,016 --> 00:01:18,776 Speaker 3: go up there? 21 00:01:20,496 --> 00:01:23,356 Speaker 2: They asked Jay if he knew anything about Rick and 22 00:01:23,396 --> 00:01:24,416 Speaker 2: Mitrice Richardson. 23 00:01:26,366 --> 00:01:28,146 Speaker 3: What the cops asked me was, do you think he'd 24 00:01:28,166 --> 00:01:30,486 Speaker 3: be a good suspect? And I said, I'd look into 25 00:01:30,546 --> 00:01:33,826 Speaker 3: it because he's violent with women, and you guys know that. 26 00:01:35,346 --> 00:01:37,966 Speaker 2: By this time, it was pretty much an open secret 27 00:01:38,046 --> 00:01:42,016 Speaker 2: in Montanito that people thought Rick was involved in Mitrice's disappearance. 28 00:01:43,236 --> 00:01:46,246 Speaker 3: Everybody just sort of joked about it in a way. 29 00:01:47,066 --> 00:01:49,146 Speaker 3: You know, Rick, you sure you don't know what happened 30 00:01:49,166 --> 00:01:51,286 Speaker 3: to her and this and that, you know, something like that. 31 00:01:51,586 --> 00:01:55,346 Speaker 3: And then me and my friend started thinking about it 32 00:01:55,366 --> 00:01:57,466 Speaker 3: a little bit more. We're thinking, well, maybe he could 33 00:01:57,486 --> 00:01:59,566 Speaker 3: have had something to do with it, you know. 34 00:02:00,886 --> 00:02:05,276 Speaker 2: Homicide detectives had already looked into Rick in 2010 before 35 00:02:05,316 --> 00:02:08,656 Speaker 2: Mitrice's remains were found. But they dismissed him as a 36 00:02:08,696 --> 00:02:11,416 Speaker 2: person of interest when the ribcage at the fort turned 37 00:02:11,496 --> 00:02:15,316 Speaker 2: out to be deer bones. This, in spite of Rick's 38 00:02:15,456 --> 00:02:19,376 Speaker 2: known history of violence against women, and the proximity of 39 00:02:19,436 --> 00:02:22,296 Speaker 2: his fort to the place in Dark Canyon where Mitrice's 40 00:02:22,356 --> 00:02:26,856 Speaker 2: remains were ultimately found. But now, some two years later, 41 00:02:26,876 --> 00:02:31,106 Speaker 2: the detectives were taking another look at Rick. This time, 42 00:02:31,426 --> 00:02:34,606 Speaker 2: they were focusing on the house where Rick would often crash, 43 00:02:35,406 --> 00:02:39,946 Speaker 2: the house belonging to his firefighter friend, Mark Wallace. The 44 00:02:39,986 --> 00:02:44,576 Speaker 2: Mark Wallace whose business card read, Head honcho slash motherfucker 45 00:02:44,656 --> 00:02:49,396 Speaker 2: in charge. This would be the Sheriff's Department's best chance 46 00:02:49,536 --> 00:02:59,566 Speaker 2: to confront Rick Forsberg about my trees. I'm Dana Goodyear, 47 00:02:59,586 --> 00:03:01,746 Speaker 2: and this is Lost Hills. 48 00:03:05,366 --> 00:03:06,226 Speaker 4: Lost Hills. 49 00:03:27,316 --> 00:03:36,146 Speaker 2: Episode 10, The Wally Pad. Mark Wallace's house, the place 50 00:03:36,226 --> 00:03:39,286 Speaker 2: Rick hung out and stayed on and off, has a nickname. 51 00:03:40,366 --> 00:03:41,186 Speaker 1: The Wally Pad. 52 00:03:43,306 --> 00:03:46,686 Speaker 2: Mark built the house himself, using boulders he scavenged from 53 00:03:46,766 --> 00:03:49,526 Speaker 2: rock slides and lumber from the old Malibu Pier. 54 00:03:50,496 --> 00:03:54,116 Speaker 5: It's all the old rustic wood and, like, the woodworking 55 00:03:54,156 --> 00:03:57,456 Speaker 5: in there. I mean, everything is perfectly... chiseled and like 56 00:03:57,596 --> 00:03:59,576 Speaker 5: the fireplace me and you we could sleep in it's 57 00:03:59,596 --> 00:04:01,616 Speaker 5: like a bedroom this. 58 00:04:01,496 --> 00:04:04,716 Speaker 2: Is allison joiner she's an ex-girlfriend of mark's. 59 00:04:05,036 --> 00:04:07,556 Speaker 5: He built it from ground up so you know and 60 00:04:07,606 --> 00:04:10,246 Speaker 5: i mean it's a gorgeous home he is phenomenal actually 61 00:04:10,366 --> 00:04:12,446 Speaker 5: he killed it it's it's one of the coolest houses 62 00:04:12,506 --> 00:04:13,266 Speaker 5: i've seen in la. 63 00:04:14,166 --> 00:04:17,786 Speaker 2: Allison's a kick a pint-sized hair and makeup artist who's 64 00:04:17,826 --> 00:04:20,856 Speaker 2: also a stunt woman on the day we visit her 65 00:04:20,976 --> 00:04:23,416 Speaker 2: she tells us she's prepping for a shoot with duane 66 00:04:23,436 --> 00:04:24,656 Speaker 2: the rock johnson. 67 00:04:26,236 --> 00:04:27,996 Speaker 6: We sit down at her kitchen. 68 00:04:29,926 --> 00:04:32,646 Speaker 5: Table and she pours herself a beer into a glass 69 00:04:32,666 --> 00:04:34,586 Speaker 5: jar from the high-end organic market, Erewhon. 70 00:04:34,606 --> 00:04:37,226 Speaker 6: She met Mark in 2010. 71 00:04:54,336 --> 00:04:57,096 Speaker 2: And in 2011, she says, she started spending time at 72 00:04:57,136 --> 00:04:59,636 Speaker 2: the Wally Pad with her son, who was around six 73 00:04:59,656 --> 00:05:03,316 Speaker 2: years old at the time. Allison says the way she 74 00:05:03,356 --> 00:05:07,116 Speaker 2: met Mark was totally random. She had this makeup artist friend. 75 00:05:08,036 --> 00:05:10,216 Speaker 5: She's an amazing makeup artist. And she worked for this 76 00:05:10,236 --> 00:05:16,116 Speaker 5: photographer who did, like, Black Men's Magazine. He did Kim Kardashian. 77 00:05:17,216 --> 00:05:20,436 Speaker 2: Her friend and the photographer specialized in a niche area. 78 00:05:21,346 --> 00:05:23,826 Speaker 5: I call it the ass before the face photography. You know, 79 00:05:23,986 --> 00:05:26,186 Speaker 5: it's like, I don't think it's porn, but it's just like, 80 00:05:26,706 --> 00:05:30,026 Speaker 5: excuse me, but jail jack off magazines. You know, that's 81 00:05:30,046 --> 00:05:31,446 Speaker 5: what they are to me. 82 00:05:32,566 --> 00:05:36,066 Speaker 2: In March of 2010, Allison's friend asked her to come 83 00:05:36,126 --> 00:05:39,996 Speaker 2: help with hair at a shoot in Montanito. This was 84 00:05:40,056 --> 00:05:43,496 Speaker 2: about six months after Mitrice went missing and five months 85 00:05:43,576 --> 00:05:47,536 Speaker 2: before her remains were found. Allison pulled up to the 86 00:05:47,556 --> 00:05:50,696 Speaker 2: Wally pad. The shoot was happening in some lower part 87 00:05:50,716 --> 00:05:53,176 Speaker 2: of the property, where there was a pig pen and 88 00:05:53,196 --> 00:05:56,956 Speaker 2: an old pig named Oscar Meyer. She didn't even go 89 00:05:56,996 --> 00:05:59,076 Speaker 2: down there. She was just working on the model. 90 00:05:59,096 --> 00:06:02,576 Speaker 5: We were there for hours. I didn't know what we 91 00:06:02,606 --> 00:06:04,546 Speaker 5: were doing. I thought it was a cute girl. It 92 00:06:04,586 --> 00:06:06,566 Speaker 5: was just like a cute girl. So we were doing 93 00:06:06,586 --> 00:06:09,326 Speaker 5: her hair and her makeup. And then I'm like, literally 94 00:06:09,366 --> 00:06:10,866 Speaker 5: like two hours later, I'm like, what are we doing? 95 00:06:11,226 --> 00:06:12,566 Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, a porn shoot. 96 00:06:14,326 --> 00:06:18,006 Speaker 2: And then Mark showed up and put on a charm offensive. 97 00:06:19,256 --> 00:06:20,096 Speaker 5: He's a sweet talker. 98 00:06:20,576 --> 00:06:21,256 Speaker 4: He's fun. 99 00:06:21,356 --> 00:06:26,926 Speaker 5: He's very smart. He knows a lot about history and artifacts. 100 00:06:26,966 --> 00:06:30,146 Speaker 5: He's one of those dudes that kind of any conversation 101 00:06:30,166 --> 00:06:33,066 Speaker 5: you get into him, he'll know something about. Or he'll 102 00:06:33,086 --> 00:06:34,846 Speaker 5: bullshit his way through it. And he gets very well 103 00:06:34,866 --> 00:06:36,166 Speaker 5: respected because he's a fireman. 104 00:06:37,296 --> 00:06:40,696 Speaker 2: Mark was impressive in a very man's man kind of way. 105 00:06:41,376 --> 00:06:45,596 Speaker 2: Building bonfires and launching expeditions and charging around the neighborhood 106 00:06:45,756 --> 00:06:47,256 Speaker 2: on a horse or in a backhoe. 107 00:06:48,626 --> 00:06:52,716 Speaker 5: Mark's Mr. Boy Scout boy. Like, if you're going to 108 00:06:52,756 --> 00:06:56,096 Speaker 5: survive anywhere, it's going to be with Mark. He will 109 00:06:56,156 --> 00:07:00,176 Speaker 5: build a hole 100 feet down in a night. I mean, 110 00:07:00,496 --> 00:07:02,496 Speaker 5: the dude can do anything. I don't care if it's 111 00:07:02,546 --> 00:07:05,546 Speaker 5: from welding to fixing a car to, you know, cutting 112 00:07:05,566 --> 00:07:10,666 Speaker 5: down a fucking 40-foot tree. I'll do it. Like, it's insane. 113 00:07:11,706 --> 00:07:13,226 Speaker 5: He'll go up to a rattlesnake and literally go down 114 00:07:13,246 --> 00:07:15,176 Speaker 5: and grab them in the head and swing them around 115 00:07:15,216 --> 00:07:17,796 Speaker 5: and their head comes off. I've seen it with my 116 00:07:17,816 --> 00:07:19,546 Speaker 5: own fucking eyes. Twice. 117 00:07:21,046 --> 00:07:24,446 Speaker 2: This whole Montanito mountain man scene was kind of familiar 118 00:07:24,486 --> 00:07:24,786 Speaker 2: to her. 119 00:07:26,306 --> 00:07:28,476 Speaker 5: I grew up wealthy people that wanted to be white trash. 120 00:07:30,246 --> 00:07:35,376 Speaker 5: And to me, that's Calabasas. That's Montanito. And it's like 121 00:07:35,396 --> 00:07:36,576 Speaker 5: high-class white trash over there. 122 00:07:38,596 --> 00:07:42,316 Speaker 2: Soon after Allison started dating Mark, she met Rick, who 123 00:07:42,416 --> 00:07:43,996 Speaker 2: often stayed over at Mark's house. 124 00:07:45,416 --> 00:07:49,376 Speaker 5: He was a cool guy. He looked like a Malibu 125 00:07:49,536 --> 00:07:52,736 Speaker 5: rich beach bum guy. I just remember him in his 126 00:07:52,796 --> 00:07:55,096 Speaker 5: scruffy white shirt with his blue jean cut-off pants. He's 127 00:07:55,136 --> 00:07:58,686 Speaker 5: fucking barefooted. I just remember he had long scruff hair. 128 00:07:58,706 --> 00:08:00,646 Speaker 5: He was like that mousy brown with some gold in it. 129 00:08:00,646 --> 00:08:02,526 Speaker 5: I was like, dude, you had to have been cute 130 00:08:02,546 --> 00:08:03,166 Speaker 5: when you were younger. 131 00:08:04,646 --> 00:08:07,526 Speaker 2: She didn't find Rick threatening. Quite the opposite. 132 00:08:08,886 --> 00:08:10,616 Speaker 5: Like, if I saw Rick at night, I'd be like, fuck, 133 00:08:10,656 --> 00:08:15,136 Speaker 5: I'm safe. No, because he just is a cool personality. 134 00:08:15,156 --> 00:08:16,516 Speaker 5: You don't feel sketchiness. 135 00:08:17,626 --> 00:08:21,426 Speaker 2: But then one day, Mark told Allison something about Rick 136 00:08:21,706 --> 00:08:23,466 Speaker 2: that changed the way she thought about him. 137 00:08:24,426 --> 00:08:26,616 Speaker 5: We were up in the garage and he casually goes, 138 00:08:28,246 --> 00:08:32,376 Speaker 5: that girl that died a couple years ago, he goes, 139 00:08:32,416 --> 00:08:35,756 Speaker 5: they think that he killed her. And I'm like, well, 140 00:08:35,776 --> 00:08:38,796 Speaker 5: did he? And he just gave me this weird look. 141 00:08:40,576 --> 00:08:43,956 Speaker 2: All these years later, Allison can still replay this moment 142 00:08:44,396 --> 00:08:45,716 Speaker 2: like a little movie in her head. 143 00:08:47,216 --> 00:08:51,396 Speaker 5: He just went serious and like quiet for a second. 144 00:08:51,416 --> 00:08:53,486 Speaker 5: To have a pause of quiet with Mark Wallace is 145 00:08:54,286 --> 00:08:56,966 Speaker 5: shocking because he's not a quiet guy. So for me, 146 00:08:57,886 --> 00:09:00,406 Speaker 5: it was, you know, I remember it. I still fucking 147 00:09:00,426 --> 00:09:00,826 Speaker 5: remember it. 148 00:09:01,936 --> 00:09:05,376 Speaker 2: That's when Allison knew she had to get herself and 149 00:09:05,436 --> 00:09:08,256 Speaker 2: her child far away from the Wally pad. 150 00:09:23,876 --> 00:09:26,466 Speaker 6: You know, I never, I don't know any of the 151 00:09:26,726 --> 00:09:27,406 Speaker 6: facts of that situation. 152 00:09:28,306 --> 00:09:31,066 Speaker 2: In the video where Rick is being interviewed by Raven, 153 00:09:31,466 --> 00:09:34,266 Speaker 2: Rick gives an explanation for why he didn't go to 154 00:09:34,286 --> 00:09:37,326 Speaker 2: the cops after seeing Maitrese the day she disappeared. 155 00:09:37,346 --> 00:09:39,966 Speaker 6: To be honest with you, to tell you the truth, 156 00:09:40,006 --> 00:09:41,626 Speaker 6: right at the first night, I go, you know, I 157 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:44,406 Speaker 6: had to just go to the cops, you know. And 158 00:09:44,966 --> 00:09:47,166 Speaker 6: everybody's going, well, you're on parole. What are you going 159 00:09:47,216 --> 00:09:49,316 Speaker 6: to do? They ask you, you know, and you've got 160 00:09:49,356 --> 00:09:52,046 Speaker 6: a battery on a woman on your fucking.... 161 00:09:54,346 --> 00:09:56,646 Speaker 2: His history alone could make him a suspect. 162 00:09:59,166 --> 00:10:00,906 Speaker 3: Someone had given Rick up to the cops. 163 00:10:01,006 --> 00:10:04,906 Speaker 6: But it's unclear if he ever found out who. And 164 00:10:04,966 --> 00:10:09,366 Speaker 6: was Rick saying anything? Was he yelling? I don't even remember. 165 00:10:29,996 --> 00:10:32,846 Speaker 2: We found Lisa Lepore, the woman who told us about 166 00:10:32,926 --> 00:10:35,946 Speaker 2: Rick strangling her, in the court documents from a legal 167 00:10:36,006 --> 00:10:40,066 Speaker 2: dispute Mark and Allison had after they broke up. It 168 00:10:40,106 --> 00:10:43,746 Speaker 2: turned out Rick strangling Lisa was the final stage of 169 00:10:43,766 --> 00:10:48,336 Speaker 2: their strained relationship. What preceded it was like something out 170 00:10:48,366 --> 00:10:54,936 Speaker 2: of a Raymond Chandler novel, with meth. The first time 171 00:10:54,976 --> 00:10:58,476 Speaker 2: I talked to Lisa on the phone, she immediately blurted 172 00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:01,616 Speaker 2: out that she'd taken it upon herself to solve the 173 00:11:01,656 --> 00:11:06,376 Speaker 2: Mitrice-Richardson case by inserting herself into the scene at Mark's 174 00:11:06,396 --> 00:11:09,646 Speaker 2: house and making them like her in the hope that 175 00:11:09,686 --> 00:11:12,986 Speaker 2: she could wheedle a confession out of Rick. When she 176 00:11:13,066 --> 00:11:15,866 Speaker 2: finally agreed to let Haley and me come over, she 177 00:11:15,946 --> 00:11:19,586 Speaker 2: told us a wild story. It started with Allison. 178 00:11:21,566 --> 00:11:26,026 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was watching this child, Allison's boy. 179 00:11:26,916 --> 00:11:29,956 Speaker 2: While Allison was dating Mark off and on, she lived 180 00:11:29,996 --> 00:11:33,016 Speaker 2: for a while in an apartment complex in Malibu Canyon. 181 00:11:34,136 --> 00:11:37,606 Speaker 2: Lisa was Allison's neighbor in the apartment complex and helped 182 00:11:37,616 --> 00:11:40,646 Speaker 2: her with her son. One day, this would have been 183 00:11:40,666 --> 00:11:44,586 Speaker 2: around early 2012, Lisa gets pulled over by a Lost 184 00:11:44,606 --> 00:11:49,076 Speaker 2: Hills deputy, unfairly, she thinks, and she tells Allison about it. 185 00:11:49,966 --> 00:11:52,756 Speaker 2: That gets Allison going about the Lost Hills cops. 186 00:11:53,696 --> 00:11:57,646 Speaker 4: So I go home. Phone rings. It's Allison. And I 187 00:11:57,686 --> 00:11:59,766 Speaker 4: told her what had happened. She goes, oh, those cops 188 00:12:00,586 --> 00:12:02,116 Speaker 4: at Lost Hills, they're not going to help you. 189 00:12:03,146 --> 00:12:06,536 Speaker 2: According to Lisa, Allison then tells her about a creepy 190 00:12:06,596 --> 00:12:10,796 Speaker 2: guy up at Mark's house, Rick, who apparently has something 191 00:12:10,836 --> 00:12:13,096 Speaker 2: to do with the death of Mitrice Richardson. 192 00:12:13,816 --> 00:12:15,636 Speaker 4: He didn't rape her. He just chopped her up, this 193 00:12:15,696 --> 00:12:18,516 Speaker 4: guy that stayed in his house. I'm like, what? He 194 00:12:18,556 --> 00:12:21,176 Speaker 4: didn't rape her. He just chopped her up. I said, 195 00:12:21,216 --> 00:12:25,456 Speaker 4: what are you saying? And my head was just spinning. 196 00:12:25,996 --> 00:12:27,896 Speaker 4: She goes, you want to go by Mark's Go Writing later? 197 00:12:27,976 --> 00:12:29,486 Speaker 4: And I was just like, no. And I'm like, wait 198 00:12:29,516 --> 00:12:30,986 Speaker 4: a minute, Mark's, that's where the guy is. 199 00:12:31,926 --> 00:12:35,546 Speaker 2: Lisa's determined to find out what's going on. So she 200 00:12:35,606 --> 00:12:38,866 Speaker 2: and Allison head over to Mark's place, and Lisa makes 201 00:12:38,926 --> 00:12:40,746 Speaker 2: it her business to befriend Rick. 202 00:12:42,166 --> 00:12:43,476 Speaker 4: So I had to go down there and make him 203 00:12:43,546 --> 00:12:46,496 Speaker 4: like me. I had to make him accept me, like 204 00:12:46,816 --> 00:12:49,916 Speaker 4: cook for him, bought him drugs, all kinds of stuff, 205 00:12:49,956 --> 00:12:52,596 Speaker 4: you know, to make him accept me into his world. 206 00:12:54,076 --> 00:12:57,556 Speaker 2: Lisa may be reckless, but... But she isn't stupid. She 207 00:12:57,616 --> 00:12:59,556 Speaker 2: wants to make sure someone knows. 208 00:12:59,336 --> 00:13:00,136 Speaker 1: What she's up to. 209 00:13:01,236 --> 00:13:03,416 Speaker 2: So before she ever goes up to Mark's house and 210 00:13:03,456 --> 00:13:06,536 Speaker 2: meets Rick, she makes contact with the watch commander at 211 00:13:06,596 --> 00:13:11,486 Speaker 2: Lost Hill Station, Lieutenant James Royal. She tells him what 212 00:13:11,516 --> 00:13:12,416 Speaker 2: she's heard about Rick. 213 00:13:12,446 --> 00:13:15,966 Speaker 4: I told the police officer what I heard, and I said, 214 00:13:15,986 --> 00:13:18,086 Speaker 4: I'm going to scream it from the tallest mountain. If 215 00:13:18,126 --> 00:13:22,606 Speaker 4: you guys forgot something or whatever, I'm going to investigate this. And, 216 00:13:23,066 --> 00:13:24,506 Speaker 4: you know, if there's a killer down there, I'm going 217 00:13:24,526 --> 00:13:25,306 Speaker 4: to find out about it. 218 00:13:27,746 --> 00:13:30,756 Speaker 2: Lieutenant Royal wasn't at Lost Hill Station at the time 219 00:13:30,796 --> 00:13:34,576 Speaker 2: of Mitrice's disappearance or the discovery of her remains, and 220 00:13:34,616 --> 00:13:37,896 Speaker 2: he doesn't know much about the case. When he relays 221 00:13:37,976 --> 00:13:42,536 Speaker 2: Lisa's information about Rick Forsberg to homicide, the detectives remember 222 00:13:42,716 --> 00:13:47,376 Speaker 2: the 2010 investigation into the ribcage at Rick's fort. That 223 00:13:47,496 --> 00:13:50,196 Speaker 2: inquiry was closed out when the bones turned out to 224 00:13:50,216 --> 00:13:54,786 Speaker 2: be deer bones. But this information about Forsberg is different 225 00:13:55,186 --> 00:13:56,586 Speaker 2: and potentially significant. 226 00:13:57,796 --> 00:13:59,616 Speaker 6: The allegation was pretty intense. 227 00:14:00,316 --> 00:14:01,476 Speaker 1: Sergeant Toohey Wright. 228 00:14:01,956 --> 00:14:04,966 Speaker 6: It was that somebody that lived in the Montanito area 229 00:14:05,776 --> 00:14:13,186 Speaker 6: was claiming that this individual, Forsberg, had said he had 230 00:14:13,246 --> 00:14:17,686 Speaker 6: either killed Matrice or was involved with Matrice. It sounded 231 00:14:17,826 --> 00:14:22,856 Speaker 6: really interesting, like almost earth-shattering. 232 00:14:24,196 --> 00:14:28,296 Speaker 2: Matrice's remains had been discovered in August 2010. and there'd 233 00:14:28,316 --> 00:14:32,016 Speaker 2: been little to no progress on the case. Law enforcement 234 00:14:32,056 --> 00:14:35,676 Speaker 2: had decided that in the absence of other information, the 235 00:14:35,756 --> 00:14:39,766 Speaker 2: most likely explanation for Mitrice's death is that she wandered 236 00:14:39,906 --> 00:14:44,686 Speaker 2: into the canyon alone and died. But now there's this 237 00:14:44,806 --> 00:14:48,866 Speaker 2: person with a history of violence against women who's already 238 00:14:48,976 --> 00:14:52,636 Speaker 2: on the sheriff's department's radar who may have a direct 239 00:14:52,716 --> 00:14:57,416 Speaker 2: connection to Mitrice. And there's this other person, Lisa, who's 240 00:14:57,476 --> 00:15:00,916 Speaker 2: telling law enforcement that she thinks she can get Rick 241 00:15:00,996 --> 00:15:06,126 Speaker 2: to confess to her. It's a dangerous proposition. Rick is 242 00:15:06,166 --> 00:15:09,786 Speaker 2: a violent criminal. And Lieutenant Royal tries to warn Lisa 243 00:15:09,826 --> 00:15:17,106 Speaker 2: of the risks. But she won't listen. Lisa says she 244 00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:20,766 Speaker 2: went with Rick to his fort. She takes my notebook and, 245 00:15:20,926 --> 00:15:23,356 Speaker 2: in a shaky hand, starts sketching a map. 246 00:15:25,076 --> 00:15:28,676 Speaker 4: You go Paiuma and then it cuts over this way. 247 00:15:30,116 --> 00:15:33,586 Speaker 4: Cuts over this way and like that. Rick's property is 248 00:15:33,606 --> 00:15:34,586 Speaker 4: right there. Okay. 249 00:15:36,526 --> 00:15:38,906 Speaker 2: And was it kind of like dug out a little bit? 250 00:15:39,146 --> 00:15:42,266 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. He had it all dug out. Everything, little pathways. 251 00:15:43,506 --> 00:15:45,406 Speaker 4: And I saw all kinds of stuff there, you know, 252 00:15:45,466 --> 00:15:47,306 Speaker 4: just there were bones. I wasn't sure if they were 253 00:15:47,386 --> 00:15:51,066 Speaker 4: human or animal or what. There was women's clothes there 254 00:15:51,126 --> 00:15:53,676 Speaker 4: and You know, it was a really neat fort, but 255 00:15:53,696 --> 00:15:55,276 Speaker 4: it was just kind of spooky, you know? 256 00:15:56,696 --> 00:16:00,136 Speaker 2: Lisa isn't an official informant or an agent of law enforcement, 257 00:16:00,756 --> 00:16:03,276 Speaker 2: but the cops can't stop her from doing what she's doing. 258 00:16:03,916 --> 00:16:06,166 Speaker 2: And they're open to hearing what she finds out and 259 00:16:06,206 --> 00:16:07,786 Speaker 2: passing it up the chain to homicide. 260 00:16:09,006 --> 00:16:12,126 Speaker 4: And so this investigation went on and on, and I 261 00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:15,806 Speaker 4: was delivering stuff to the police officers. 262 00:16:17,246 --> 00:16:20,246 Speaker 6: There was talk of Dark Canyon. There was talk of 263 00:16:20,306 --> 00:16:23,586 Speaker 6: growing marijuana. So when you put it all together, even 264 00:16:23,626 --> 00:16:29,306 Speaker 6: though it's all circumstantial, it's very, very interesting. And I 265 00:16:30,416 --> 00:16:34,036 Speaker 6: was impressed. I mean, I was kind of shocked. But 266 00:16:34,116 --> 00:16:37,136 Speaker 6: that's when I started to entertain the idea that perhaps 267 00:16:37,856 --> 00:16:42,076 Speaker 6: there's more to this case. Perhaps this case isn't just 268 00:16:42,136 --> 00:16:45,976 Speaker 6: a missing person, but there could be possibly some foul 269 00:16:46,016 --> 00:16:48,576 Speaker 6: play involved. And then. 270 00:16:49,536 --> 00:16:54,296 Speaker 2: Rick invites Lisa to go hiking with him in Dark Canyon. 271 00:17:07,946 --> 00:17:10,766 Speaker 2: After they've known each other for several weeks, Rick tells 272 00:17:10,826 --> 00:17:14,206 Speaker 2: Lisa he wants to show her his pot grow in 273 00:17:14,246 --> 00:17:19,356 Speaker 2: Dark Canyon, and Lisa wants to go. She's hoping Rick 274 00:17:19,376 --> 00:17:22,316 Speaker 2: will take her to the exact spot where Mitrice's remains 275 00:17:22,336 --> 00:17:26,646 Speaker 2: were found, a place only her killer would know. But 276 00:17:26,686 --> 00:17:30,306 Speaker 2: the whole plan gets scuttled, because according to Sergeant Wright, 277 00:17:30,726 --> 00:17:34,546 Speaker 2: just before Lisa's hike into Dark Canyon, the homicide detectives 278 00:17:34,666 --> 00:17:37,406 Speaker 2: decide to interview Mark Wallace about Rick. 279 00:17:38,386 --> 00:17:41,006 Speaker 4: Rick calls me and he goes, they think I killed 280 00:17:41,026 --> 00:17:43,106 Speaker 4: that nigger in the canyon. I'm like, what? And he goes, 281 00:17:43,146 --> 00:17:44,906 Speaker 4: get over here. And I thought he knew me, that 282 00:17:44,966 --> 00:17:45,826 Speaker 4: I had outed him, you know. 283 00:17:46,896 --> 00:17:50,736 Speaker 2: Lisa calls Lieutenant Royal from Lost Hill Station and her 284 00:17:50,776 --> 00:17:52,336 Speaker 2: contact at the Homicide Bureau. 285 00:17:53,456 --> 00:17:56,146 Speaker 4: I said, did you question Forsberg yet? He said, no. 286 00:17:56,646 --> 00:17:59,046 Speaker 4: I called the homicide detective. Did you question him? No. 287 00:17:59,666 --> 00:18:01,086 Speaker 4: And I said, he's telling me to come down there. 288 00:18:01,106 --> 00:18:03,466 Speaker 4: They go, don't go. And I said, I'm going down there. 289 00:18:04,206 --> 00:18:07,706 Speaker 2: Against the advice of law enforcement, Lisa goes to meet Rick. 290 00:18:08,446 --> 00:18:11,086 Speaker 4: He got in and he goes, drive. And he goes, 291 00:18:11,296 --> 00:18:13,056 Speaker 4: this was the last place I saw her alive. 292 00:18:14,346 --> 00:18:16,666 Speaker 2: They stop in front of the tennis courthouse. 293 00:18:17,326 --> 00:18:19,716 Speaker 4: He goes, right here, he said she was having an 294 00:18:19,786 --> 00:18:22,296 Speaker 4: argument with this Channel 5 guy. He has a house there. 295 00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:24,536 Speaker 4: He said I should have protected her. I go, protect 296 00:18:24,556 --> 00:18:25,256 Speaker 4: her against what? 297 00:18:25,876 --> 00:18:29,156 Speaker 2: At that point, Lisa ends up driving Rick to Lost 298 00:18:29,196 --> 00:18:30,876 Speaker 2: Hill Station for his interview. 299 00:18:31,906 --> 00:18:35,286 Speaker 4: So they had me deliver him to take a polygraph 300 00:18:35,566 --> 00:18:39,606 Speaker 4: at the police station, and he passed with flying colors. 301 00:18:40,746 --> 00:18:44,406 Speaker 2: Lisa is convinced that Rick killed Mitrice and that he 302 00:18:44,466 --> 00:18:47,666 Speaker 2: passed the polygraph because he'd been taught how to beat one. 303 00:18:48,736 --> 00:18:50,846 Speaker 4: He passed like you and I couldn't even pass because 304 00:18:50,876 --> 00:18:53,316 Speaker 4: we know something about the case, you know. Something would 305 00:18:53,596 --> 00:18:55,976 Speaker 4: tick on it, you know. But I guess they can 306 00:18:55,996 --> 00:18:59,536 Speaker 4: learn that in prison. It's a learned behavior that they 307 00:18:59,556 --> 00:19:04,276 Speaker 4: can learn. So, yeah, he got exonerated, you know. 308 00:19:05,636 --> 00:19:08,916 Speaker 2: I asked Lisa if she ever heard Rick say anything 309 00:19:09,096 --> 00:19:10,116 Speaker 2: about killing Mitrice. 310 00:19:11,396 --> 00:19:17,296 Speaker 4: I would ask questions about it, and he just kind 311 00:19:17,336 --> 00:19:19,756 Speaker 4: of brushed it off. He didn't really talk about it. 312 00:19:19,756 --> 00:19:21,236 Speaker 4: He's kind of an awkward character. 313 00:19:22,236 --> 00:19:24,826 Speaker 2: But she does have her own theory of why Rick 314 00:19:24,846 --> 00:19:29,206 Speaker 2: would have harmed Mitrice, based on knowing him and his attitudes. 315 00:19:30,566 --> 00:19:34,606 Speaker 4: Whenever he was telling me about that when he saw her, 316 00:19:36,156 --> 00:19:40,296 Speaker 4: because she was a lesbian. She was black. Sergeant Wright says, 317 00:19:40,516 --> 00:19:44,676 Speaker 4: as far as he knows, the investigation into Forsberg ended 318 00:19:44,696 --> 00:19:51,956 Speaker 4: with the He snapped, and he went after her. 319 00:19:53,546 --> 00:19:56,896 Speaker 2: Sergeant Wright says, as far as he knows, the investigation 320 00:19:56,956 --> 00:19:59,716 Speaker 2: into Forsberg ended with the polygraph. 321 00:20:00,796 --> 00:20:05,636 Speaker 6: I heard that basically he passed a poly, and of 322 00:20:05,676 --> 00:20:09,016 Speaker 6: course there's been other cases, like the Green River case, 323 00:20:09,236 --> 00:20:12,246 Speaker 6: for instance. I mean, some people pass polys and they lie, 324 00:20:12,966 --> 00:20:16,106 Speaker 6: but I don't know. I mean, they checked it all out, supposedly, 325 00:20:16,426 --> 00:20:17,286 Speaker 6: and it went nowhere. 326 00:20:18,796 --> 00:20:22,236 Speaker 2: Sergeant Wright isn't privy to the details of the homicide investigation. 327 00:20:22,256 --> 00:20:25,676 Speaker 6: I mean, on one hand, somebody could think they kissed 328 00:20:25,736 --> 00:20:28,076 Speaker 6: it off, but on the other hand, I would have 329 00:20:28,136 --> 00:20:33,556 Speaker 6: expected somebody to go real deep on it, and I 330 00:20:33,596 --> 00:20:35,596 Speaker 6: just have no way of knowing if that happened or not. 331 00:20:37,436 --> 00:20:41,076 Speaker 2: One thing is clear. Homicide didn't pursue a case against 332 00:20:41,176 --> 00:20:44,496 Speaker 2: Rick Forsberg. He was never named as a suspect, and 333 00:20:44,556 --> 00:20:48,426 Speaker 2: charges were not filed. The most maddening part is that 334 00:20:48,466 --> 00:20:51,766 Speaker 2: we don't know why. Haley and I tried reaching people 335 00:20:52,026 --> 00:20:55,086 Speaker 2: up and down the chain of command, including three retired 336 00:20:55,136 --> 00:20:59,176 Speaker 2: homicide detectives who'd worked the case. No one wanted to 337 00:20:59,216 --> 00:21:02,976 Speaker 2: get involved. And the homicide lieutenant in charge of cold 338 00:21:03,036 --> 00:21:06,476 Speaker 2: cases at the sheriff's department told me there's currently no 339 00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:11,956 Speaker 2: investigator assigned to Mitrice's case. It's been investigated and reinvestigated. 340 00:21:12,476 --> 00:21:15,236 Speaker 2: And without new evidence, it will remain. 341 00:21:15,176 --> 00:21:16,036 Speaker 1: Just as it is. 342 00:21:20,246 --> 00:21:23,226 Speaker 2: Not long ago, I had a clarifying conversation with a 343 00:21:23,286 --> 00:21:28,006 Speaker 2: retired LAPD robbery homicide detective who specializes in cold cases. 344 00:21:29,046 --> 00:21:31,846 Speaker 2: In his view, the problem with Mitrice's case is the 345 00:21:32,006 --> 00:21:35,176 Speaker 2: undetermined cause of death. That puts it in a kind 346 00:21:35,216 --> 00:21:39,736 Speaker 2: of no-man's land. Law enforcement agencies are businesses, he said, 347 00:21:40,156 --> 00:21:43,276 Speaker 2: and if you're not solving a homicide, you're wasting company time. 348 00:21:44,766 --> 00:21:48,906 Speaker 2: Add to that, the Mitrice-Richardson case was highly politicized. Who 349 00:21:48,926 --> 00:21:51,666 Speaker 2: would want to risk their reputation on a case like that? 350 00:21:54,986 --> 00:21:58,046 Speaker 1: Of course, Haley and I wanted to talk to Mark Wallace. 351 00:21:59,026 --> 00:22:01,186 Speaker 2: Rick had been in and out of the Wally pad 352 00:22:01,366 --> 00:22:06,046 Speaker 2: around the time of Mitrice's disappearance. Lisa Lepore had insinuated 353 00:22:06,086 --> 00:22:09,196 Speaker 2: herself into the scene there to get to Rick, and 354 00:22:09,216 --> 00:22:13,336 Speaker 2: the homicide detectives had interviewed Mark about Rick's involvement with Mitrice. 355 00:22:14,486 --> 00:22:18,976 Speaker 2: Allison Joyner, Mark's ex-girlfriend, told us she was convinced Mark 356 00:22:19,046 --> 00:22:19,756 Speaker 2: knew what happened. 357 00:22:20,696 --> 00:22:22,876 Speaker 5: There's no question in my mind. I mean, I know 358 00:22:22,916 --> 00:22:25,236 Speaker 5: I shouldn't say I know, but I totally know he knows. 359 00:22:26,436 --> 00:22:29,876 Speaker 5: Mark's a nosy motherfucker, and he knows everything that goes on. 360 00:22:30,836 --> 00:22:34,866 Speaker 2: But it wasn't just Allison. Just about everyone we spoke 361 00:22:34,906 --> 00:22:38,106 Speaker 2: to in Montanito told us if anyone would have the 362 00:22:38,226 --> 00:22:40,706 Speaker 2: answer we were looking for, it would be Mark. 363 00:22:41,936 --> 00:22:46,496 Speaker 6: He knew everything. Mark Wallace. Wallace. 364 00:22:46,616 --> 00:22:47,986 Speaker 4: Mark Wallace knows. 365 00:22:48,256 --> 00:22:51,686 Speaker 6: He knows Rick. Mark Wallace was absolutely on fire. He 366 00:22:51,726 --> 00:22:53,206 Speaker 6: had lots of information. 367 00:22:54,226 --> 00:22:58,306 Speaker 5: Mark knows. 100%. 368 00:22:59,746 --> 00:23:02,286 Speaker 2: Last Fourth of July, I was thousands of miles from 369 00:23:02,326 --> 00:23:05,206 Speaker 2: Montanito eating a lobster roll when I got a text. 370 00:23:06,246 --> 00:23:09,086 Speaker 2: Just spoke with Mark Wallace at the Montanito Parade, the 371 00:23:09,106 --> 00:23:09,666 Speaker 2: text read. 372 00:23:10,686 --> 00:23:11,126 Speaker 1: Naturally. 373 00:23:11,676 --> 00:23:14,936 Speaker 2: Everything in Montanito revolves around the Fourth of July parade. 374 00:23:16,196 --> 00:23:19,566 Speaker 2: The text continued. He thinks he knows who did it. 375 00:23:20,576 --> 00:23:22,896 Speaker 2: A guy who was in prison for 16 years and 376 00:23:22,916 --> 00:23:27,196 Speaker 2: was living in Montanito at the time. That tracked pretty 377 00:23:27,276 --> 00:23:31,056 Speaker 2: closely with Rick's history. But the best part of the 378 00:23:31,096 --> 00:23:34,496 Speaker 2: text was the line that read, He said he'll talk 379 00:23:34,536 --> 00:23:40,146 Speaker 2: to you. After the Fourth of July text, I called 380 00:23:40,226 --> 00:23:44,286 Speaker 2: Mark several times. In September, I got a text back 381 00:23:44,486 --> 00:23:47,986 Speaker 2: saying he could talk later that day, but he didn't 382 00:23:48,026 --> 00:23:53,476 Speaker 2: pick up. Instead, Mark wrote me another text. Quote, I'm 383 00:23:53,546 --> 00:23:55,156 Speaker 2: very leery about talking. 384 00:23:55,576 --> 00:23:55,976 Speaker 1: Sorry. 385 00:23:56,676 --> 00:23:58,796 Speaker 2: The sheriffs out here are very threatening. 386 00:23:59,996 --> 00:24:00,556 Speaker 1: He went on. 387 00:24:01,356 --> 00:24:04,456 Speaker 2: They put a CI in my home and surveillance on 388 00:24:04,496 --> 00:24:05,116 Speaker 2: my property. 389 00:24:05,616 --> 00:24:06,076 Speaker 1: Unquote. 390 00:24:07,836 --> 00:24:12,546 Speaker 2: A CI is cop talk for a confidential informant. He 391 00:24:12,606 --> 00:24:15,796 Speaker 2: must be talking about Lisa, though she was really more 392 00:24:15,816 --> 00:24:19,916 Speaker 2: of a citizen detective than a CI. He wrote, quote, 393 00:24:20,396 --> 00:24:24,656 Speaker 2: the whole episode with Rick and LACSD, that's the LA 394 00:24:24,696 --> 00:24:28,116 Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Department, was a nightmare that I got sucked 395 00:24:28,176 --> 00:24:31,056 Speaker 2: into solely because I let Rick stay in my house 396 00:24:31,236 --> 00:24:32,536 Speaker 2: during a very cold winter. 397 00:24:32,556 --> 00:24:34,136 Speaker 1: End quote. 398 00:24:34,476 --> 00:24:36,966 Speaker 2: I want you to know I'm not a callous person 399 00:24:37,226 --> 00:24:40,086 Speaker 2: and that I have strong feelings about my Therese Richardson 400 00:24:40,286 --> 00:24:44,026 Speaker 2: and this tragedy. I had nothing to do with her demise. 401 00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:50,956 Speaker 2: During my reporting, I stumbled upon something the Sheriff's Department 402 00:24:51,036 --> 00:24:53,656 Speaker 2: may have missed during their investigation into. 403 00:24:53,536 --> 00:24:55,896 Speaker 1: Rick and the goings-on at the Wally pad. 404 00:24:57,116 --> 00:25:00,036 Speaker 2: A detail from their own searches for Mitrice in the 405 00:25:00,076 --> 00:25:01,536 Speaker 2: days after her disappearance. 406 00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:05,276 Speaker 1: The list of what. 407 00:25:05,196 --> 00:25:09,026 Speaker 2: We know about Mitrice's movements within Montanito on September 17, 408 00:25:08,996 --> 00:25:09,526 Speaker 2: 2009 is short. 409 00:25:11,756 --> 00:25:12,616 Speaker 1: And contradictory. 410 00:25:13,996 --> 00:25:16,656 Speaker 2: Rick Forsberg in the video says he heard her at 411 00:25:16,656 --> 00:25:19,296 Speaker 2: 4.30 in the morning in front of the tennis court house. 412 00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:23,936 Speaker 2: Karen Smith, the owner of the house, says she saw 413 00:25:23,976 --> 00:25:25,576 Speaker 2: her at 6.30. 414 00:25:24,936 --> 00:25:26,316 Speaker 1: In the morning in the backyard. 415 00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:31,396 Speaker 2: Deputies found Mitrice's footprints on the horse trail beside the Smiths, 416 00:25:31,956 --> 00:25:36,016 Speaker 2: leading down into their backyard. They also found her footprints 417 00:25:36,116 --> 00:25:39,236 Speaker 2: running from the Smiths' backyard out to the street in front. 418 00:25:40,536 --> 00:25:44,866 Speaker 2: That's consistent with Karen Smith's story. Rick's story is not 419 00:25:44,926 --> 00:25:49,886 Speaker 2: supported by any footprint evidence. Scent dogs indicated that Mitrice 420 00:25:49,906 --> 00:25:52,486 Speaker 2: had also been at the next house over on Cold 421 00:25:52,506 --> 00:25:53,086 Speaker 2: Canyon Road. 422 00:25:54,526 --> 00:25:58,286 Speaker 6: I do recall the dog leaving the Smith's property from 423 00:25:58,326 --> 00:26:02,426 Speaker 6: the front and walking eastbound on Cold Canyon Road in 424 00:26:02,466 --> 00:26:02,866 Speaker 6: the dirt. 425 00:26:04,726 --> 00:26:08,696 Speaker 2: And then the scent went cold at the next house over? 426 00:26:09,386 --> 00:26:12,626 Speaker 6: Yeah, it appeared to go to that house or go 427 00:26:12,706 --> 00:26:14,146 Speaker 6: cold after that house. 428 00:26:15,646 --> 00:26:18,526 Speaker 2: It was as if my trees had vanished into thin air. 429 00:26:19,806 --> 00:26:23,996 Speaker 6: And that is common in some missing person cases where 430 00:26:24,796 --> 00:26:28,736 Speaker 6: we follow a scent with scent dogs that appear to 431 00:26:28,816 --> 00:26:32,966 Speaker 6: have actually locked into a scent, and all of a 432 00:26:33,016 --> 00:26:35,906 Speaker 6: sudden it just stops in the middle of a road. 433 00:26:37,276 --> 00:26:40,986 Speaker 6: And that happens, and that's consistent with somebody being picked up. 434 00:26:42,046 --> 00:26:44,946 Speaker 2: There is no further mention of Mitrice's scent or her 435 00:26:44,986 --> 00:26:49,246 Speaker 2: footprints in the official reports. But when I got in 436 00:26:49,286 --> 00:26:51,906 Speaker 2: touch with a member of the Sheriff's Department's search team, 437 00:26:52,526 --> 00:26:56,856 Speaker 2: he said an additional set of Vans prints matching those 438 00:26:56,996 --> 00:27:00,276 Speaker 2: found at the tennis courthouse had been found about two 439 00:27:00,316 --> 00:27:04,876 Speaker 2: miles away at the top of Cold Canyon Road. Based 440 00:27:04,936 --> 00:27:07,506 Speaker 2: on the appearance of the impressions in the dirt, The 441 00:27:07,546 --> 00:27:10,376 Speaker 2: deputy told me the two sets of tracks had been 442 00:27:10,416 --> 00:27:13,636 Speaker 2: laid down around the same time, but there was no 443 00:27:13,656 --> 00:27:17,776 Speaker 2: way to know which ones had been left first. The 444 00:27:17,836 --> 00:27:20,076 Speaker 2: tracks at the top of Cold Canyon were in what 445 00:27:20,136 --> 00:27:24,936 Speaker 2: he described as a loitering pattern. He said, apparently my 446 00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:28,096 Speaker 2: trees paused at that location. We have no idea for 447 00:27:28,156 --> 00:27:31,356 Speaker 2: how long, and unfortunately, we don't know where she went 448 00:27:31,426 --> 00:27:31,796 Speaker 2: from there. 449 00:27:35,476 --> 00:27:36,326 Speaker 1: When I heard about the. 450 00:27:36,316 --> 00:27:38,706 Speaker 2: Prints at the top of Cold Canyon, I felt a 451 00:27:38,766 --> 00:27:42,286 Speaker 2: knot form in my stomach. This was a totally new 452 00:27:42,366 --> 00:27:47,186 Speaker 2: piece of information about Mitrice's movements in Montanito. But it 453 00:27:47,246 --> 00:27:50,836 Speaker 2: wasn't just that. It was the location where she was loitering. 454 00:27:51,916 --> 00:27:57,756 Speaker 2: She was loitering outside Mark Wallace's house. At the time 455 00:27:57,796 --> 00:28:00,626 Speaker 2: Mitrice's tracks were discovered at the top of Cold Canyon, 456 00:28:00,996 --> 00:28:04,806 Speaker 2: law enforcement was searching for a missing person. They weren't 457 00:28:04,926 --> 00:28:08,806 Speaker 2: thinking about Rick Forsberg, or who his friends were, or 458 00:28:08,846 --> 00:28:14,776 Speaker 2: where he spent time. Deputies did search Mark's property back then, 459 00:28:15,316 --> 00:28:17,376 Speaker 2: but they didn't find any signs of Mitrice. 460 00:28:18,136 --> 00:28:18,696 Speaker 1: And that was it. 461 00:28:19,976 --> 00:28:22,976 Speaker 2: So those footsteps would have been just another dead end 462 00:28:23,276 --> 00:28:27,186 Speaker 2: that caused investigators to scratch their heads at the ever-expanding 463 00:28:27,246 --> 00:28:33,306 Speaker 2: mystery of Mitrice. Years later, in 2012, after her remains 464 00:28:33,346 --> 00:28:36,956 Speaker 2: had been found, When homicide detectives were focusing on the 465 00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:40,116 Speaker 2: rumors about a strange guy with a fort who spent 466 00:28:40,136 --> 00:28:44,056 Speaker 2: a lot of time at Mark Wallace's house, did anyone 467 00:28:44,096 --> 00:28:50,106 Speaker 2: remember that Mitrice's footprints had been found right outside? Maybe 468 00:28:50,286 --> 00:28:54,126 Speaker 2: it was an incredible coincidence. Or maybe it would have 469 00:28:54,146 --> 00:28:58,726 Speaker 2: helped them solve the case. Either way, Rick never told 470 00:28:58,766 --> 00:29:03,246 Speaker 2: the cops what happened next, after he encountered Mitrice outside 471 00:29:03,266 --> 00:29:12,916 Speaker 2: the tennis courthouse. But he did tell someone. Next time 472 00:29:12,936 --> 00:29:14,216 Speaker 2: on Lost Hills. 473 00:29:15,596 --> 00:29:17,396 Speaker 7: He wanted to tell me something because he had his 474 00:29:17,476 --> 00:29:19,796 Speaker 7: head down and he kept rubbing through his hair. And 475 00:29:20,806 --> 00:29:23,966 Speaker 7: I'm like, Rick, please, I really don't want to hear 476 00:29:24,046 --> 00:29:29,246 Speaker 7: this because then I would feel obligated to have to 477 00:29:29,286 --> 00:29:29,986 Speaker 7: say something. 478 00:29:31,226 --> 00:29:42,206 Speaker 2: That's next on Episode 11, The Suitcase. Lost Hills is 479 00:29:42,246 --> 00:29:45,846 Speaker 2: written and hosted by me, Dana Goodyear. It was reported 480 00:29:45,906 --> 00:29:49,946 Speaker 2: by me and Haley Fox, our senior producer. The show 481 00:29:49,986 --> 00:29:54,666 Speaker 2: was created by me and Ben Adair. 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