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Speaker 1: Homicide detectives had already looked into Rick in twenty ten

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Speaker 1: This time they were focusing on the house where Rick

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Speaker 1: Mark Wallace. The Mark Wallace, whose business card read head

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Speaker 1: I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, Episode ten.

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Speaker 1: The Wallypad Mark Wallace's house, the place Rick hung out

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Speaker 1: Mark built the house himself using boulders he scavenged from

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Speaker 3: It's all the old rusty wood and like the woodworking

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Speaker 4: Me and we could sleep in it.

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Speaker 1: This is Alison Joyner. She's an ex girlfriend of Mark's.

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Speaker 1: My Teresa's remains had been discovered in August twenty ten,

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Speaker 5: You go play, um, and then it cuts over this way,

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Speaker 5: So this investigation went on and on, and I was

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Speaker 4: There was talk of Dark Canyon, there was talk of

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Speaker 1: And then Rick invites Lisa to go hiking with him

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Speaker 5: Rick calls me and he goes, they think I killed that.

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Speaker 5: And I said he's telling me to come down there.

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Speaker 1: They stop in front of the Tennis court house.

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Speaker 1: At that point, Lisa ends up driving Rick to lost

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Speaker 5: So they had me deliver him to take a polygraph

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Speaker 5: Whenever he was, you know, telling me about that when

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Speaker 4: I heard that basically he passed to Polly. And of

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Speaker 4: I mean, on one hand, somebody could think they kissed

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Speaker 1: One thing is clear, homicide didn't pursue a case against

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Speaker 3: He knew everything, Mark Warreles Wallace, Mark Corlis knows, he knows.

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Speaker 4: Rick Wallace was absolutely on fire. He had lots of information.

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Speaker 1: Last fourth of July, I was thousands of miles from

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Speaker 1: I want you to know I'm not a callous person

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Speaker 1: Dirt, and then the scent went cold at the next

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it appeared to go to that house or go

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Speaker 4: cold after that house.

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Speaker 1: It was as if my Teres had vanished into thin.

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Speaker 4: Air, and that is common in some missing person cases,

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Speaker 4: where we follow a scent with scent dogs that appear

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Speaker 4: to have a actually locked into ascent, and all of

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Speaker 4: picked up.

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Speaker 1: There is no further mention of my Teres's scent or

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Speaker 1: her footprints in the official reports, but when I got

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Speaker 1: in touch with a member of the Sheriff's Department search team,

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Speaker 1: he said an additional set of Vans prints matching those

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Speaker 1: found at the Tennis Court House had been found about

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Speaker 1: based on the appearance of the impressions in the dirt.

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Speaker 1: The deputy told me the two two sets of tracks

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Speaker 1: had been laid down around the same time, but there

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Speaker 1: was no way to know which ones had been left first.

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Speaker 1: The tracks at the top of Cold Canyon were in

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Speaker 1: what he described as a loitering pattern. He said, apparently

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Speaker 1: my trees paused at that location. We have no idea

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Speaker 1: for how long, and unfortunately we don't know where she

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Speaker 1: went from there. When I heard about the prince at

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Speaker 1: the top of Cold Canyon. I felt a not form

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Speaker 1: in my stomach. This was a totally new piece of

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Speaker 1: information about my Teresa's movements in Montanito. But it wasn't

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Speaker 1: just that it was the location where she was loitering.

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Speaker 1: She was loitering outside Mark Wallace's house. At the time

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Speaker 1: my Teresa's tracks were discovered at the top of Cold Canyon,

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Speaker 1: law enforcement was searching for a missing person. They weren't

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Speaker 1: thinking about Rick Forsberg, or who his friends were or

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Speaker 1: where he spent time. Deputies did search Mark's property back then,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't find any signs of my Trees and

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Speaker 1: that was it. So those footsteps would have been just

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Speaker 1: another dead end that caused investigators to scratch their heads

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Speaker 1: at the ever expanding mystery of my Trees. Years later,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, after her remains had been found, when

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Speaker 1: homicide detectives were focusing on the rumors about a strange

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Speaker 1: guy with a fort who spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: at Mark Wallace's house, did anyone remember that my Teres's

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Speaker 1: footprints had been found right outside. Maybe it was an

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Speaker 1: incredible coincidence, or maybe it would have helped them solve

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Speaker 1: the case. Either way, Rick never told the cops what

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Speaker 1: happened next after he encountered my trees outside the tennis

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Speaker 1: court house, but he did tell someone next time on

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Speaker 1: Lost Hills.

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Speaker 6: He wanted to tell me something because he had his

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Speaker 6: head down and he kept rubbing through his hair, and

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Speaker 6: I'm like, Rick, please, I really don't want to hear

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Speaker 6: this because then I would feel obligated to have to

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Speaker 6: say something.

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Speaker 1: That's next on episode eleven. The suitcase. Lost Hills is

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Speaker 1: written and hosted by Me Dana Goodyear. It was reported

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Speaker 1: by me and Hailey Fox, our senior producer. The show

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