1
00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:11,560
Speaker 1: Oh, great time. Steve Tasker, Tech Time, touch down, Text

2
00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:22,120
Speaker 1: over time. Hi, everybody, Welcome to one Mill five. Welcome

3
00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,919
Speaker 1: to Orchard Park. If you're watching on MSG, you gotta

4
00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,520
Speaker 1: look at what is known as New Era Field right

5
00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,920
Speaker 1: next door to us. Overcast day in Orchard Park, a

6
00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,000
Speaker 1: little warmer today. We're happy to be home. We're back home, myself,

7
00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,440
Speaker 1: John Murphy alongside Steve Tasker. His name is on the

8
00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,120
Speaker 1: Wall of Fame in there in that stadium. We're happy

9
00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,720
Speaker 1: to be back home. It was a good weekend Indy

10
00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,320
Speaker 1: last week though. Stee. We got a lot done. Got

11
00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,040
Speaker 1: nineteen guests, some great guests last weekend. Four shows, Yeah,

12
00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,320
Speaker 1: nineteen it was. It was really good guests too. Yeah,

13
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:50,839
Speaker 1: and it was fun to be down there. It was.

14
00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,959
Speaker 1: I thought it was much better this year than last year.

15
00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,040
Speaker 1: For whatever, I couldn't even tell you why. It was

16
00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,760
Speaker 1: almost the same setup as we had last year, but

17
00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,040
Speaker 1: because of the primetime schedule. I think it kind of

18
00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,120
Speaker 1: helped us a little bit. Freed people up during the day.

19
00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,560
Speaker 1: They can't can stroll by. Ton of outlets there, media

20
00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,360
Speaker 1: outlets and a lot of people who were friends of

21
00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,319
Speaker 1: the show. We had a ton of people on got

22
00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,080
Speaker 1: a chance to touch base with a lot of football

23
00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,960
Speaker 1: people over the week. We you and I harassed Greg Williams,

24
00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,479
Speaker 1: former Bill's head coach, in the hallway one day. Alex

25
00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,080
Speaker 1: van Pelt was in town. Of course, Sean McDermott and

26
00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,080
Speaker 1: Brandon were on the show with us. Uh, Brandon bean,

27
00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,240
Speaker 1: And it was yeah, it was great, great week, really busy.

28
00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,280
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, yeah, And I don't know, sometimes

29
00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,640
Speaker 1: you feel like, man, maybe it's it's too big a

30
00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,120
Speaker 1: pain to go there, to to you know, go to

31
00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,720
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, to go to the Combine, to go

32
00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,119
Speaker 1: to the draft, all that. But I'll tell you why

33
00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,959
Speaker 1: you go to the Combine and at the Senior Bowl.

34
00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,320
Speaker 1: We did not go to the Senior Bowl this year. Man,

35
00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,520
Speaker 1: oh man, it isn't completely different vibe for the football people,

36
00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And during the regular seas

37
00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,720
Speaker 1: and during the regular season, like the like to coach

38
00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,640
Speaker 1: all the coaches, all the gms, all the assistant coaches,

39
00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,160
Speaker 1: the outs, even the even the media. And because of

40
00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,360
Speaker 1: that's probably because so the media feels the same way

41
00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,120
Speaker 1: and you just go and talk to him. Yeah, and

42
00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,200
Speaker 1: really a different vibe in the whole building. Um, there

43
00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,680
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun to be around, and we

44
00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,880
Speaker 1: you know people, you just get so much content and

45
00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,400
Speaker 1: so many conversations happened. Plus the fact that you and

46
00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,799
Speaker 1: I I told you the other last week. So Thursday night,

47
00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,160
Speaker 1: you and me and Jay Bird decide we're gonna go

48
00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,840
Speaker 1: to the combine for first night of workouts, right, the

49
00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and the wide outs, and it's and we're all excited.

50
00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, Henry Ruggs is gonna run, you know, and

51
00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,360
Speaker 1: he runs the four two seven or whatever for whatever

52
00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,120
Speaker 1: was uh, and we're all sitting there and I watched

53
00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,320
Speaker 1: the first half hour that combine on the at the

54
00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,400
Speaker 1: hotel room across the street. Yeah, and I was like,

55
00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,720
Speaker 1: it looks boring. It was, and I well, maybe you know,

56
00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,760
Speaker 1: maybe it's like hockey, but where you go to the

57
00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,960
Speaker 1: hockey rink, it's a lot more exciting, even the person.

58
00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,320
Speaker 1: You know that, and it wasn't. It was just as

59
00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,280
Speaker 1: bad when you're there in person that was watching on TV.

60
00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,160
Speaker 1: Let me, I guess dispute that a little bit. I

61
00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,960
Speaker 1: agree with it. It's not electrifying. But I went there

62
00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,840
Speaker 1: it felt the boring, the boredom that you felt. And

63
00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,560
Speaker 1: then after a while I started looking around and say,

64
00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,399
Speaker 1: look at these scouts paying attention here, look at these prospects,

65
00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,000
Speaker 1: these draft prospects. This is the most important test of

66
00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,720
Speaker 1: their life right now going on tonight. And I sort

67
00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,000
Speaker 1: of channeled that, like, you know, we're looking at a

68
00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,720
Speaker 1: guy's offensive lineman, say run a forty. You're like a

69
00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,920
Speaker 1: big deal offensive liner running of forty. You know it

70
00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,440
Speaker 1: was a big deal too that guy that line, Yeah,

71
00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,639
Speaker 1: it matters to him and he's worked for that. And

72
00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,880
Speaker 1: when you channel into that, know what's at stake, and

73
00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's millions of dollars in futures

74
00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,680
Speaker 1: and all kinds of things at stake at the combine,

75
00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,640
Speaker 1: even though it's not apparent and it's not spectacular. I

76
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,360
Speaker 1: tried to challenge it and get into a little bit.

77
00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,400
Speaker 1: But it was work. It was worked to watch it,

78
00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,560
Speaker 1: and I get it. And you're right. I remember what

79
00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,280
Speaker 1: it was like to be a young player, and every

80
00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,240
Speaker 1: time you did anything that they asked you to do,

81
00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,720
Speaker 1: it was high drama. You know, it was tension to

82
00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,480
Speaker 1: do this right. Yeah, you got to do it right now.

83
00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,720
Speaker 1: Everything from the interviews to the workouts, and certainly you're

84
00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,240
Speaker 1: that little broad jump, I mean the broad jump standing,

85
00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,680
Speaker 1: broad jump vertical. The only reason you feel like I

86
00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,040
Speaker 1: got to do good is because you want to measure

87
00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:20,039
Speaker 1: up to the other guys. And it's it is really

88
00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,039
Speaker 1: and you think about it, I mean, this is a

89
00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,920
Speaker 1: job interview for a dream job. That and let's face it,

90
00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,600
Speaker 1: for most of these guys, not only is their dream job,

91
00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,799
Speaker 1: it's the dream of their parents, their brothers and sisters,

92
00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,120
Speaker 1: and all their friends and all their buddies, their high

93
00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,680
Speaker 1: school coaches, the agents, everybody there. Their college teammates are

94
00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,800
Speaker 1: rooting for them. I mean it is. They got a

95
00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of people watching them being really interested in how

96
00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,480
Speaker 1: they do, so that pressure is there. And I talked

97
00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,640
Speaker 1: to one of the other guys. I was like, Ash,

98
00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,200
Speaker 1: she's kind of boring, and he goes, yeah, I know,

99
00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:53,839
Speaker 1: he goes, I kind of feel with you, but you

100
00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,479
Speaker 1: know what he goes, I'm in he goes, I'm as

101
00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,920
Speaker 1: an assistant coach I was talking to because I'm in

102
00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,360
Speaker 1: the room with these scouts and it's their playoff game.

103
00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,080
Speaker 1: These guys are wired tight. I mean they're like, you know,

104
00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I mean, it's like it's Jim class,

105
00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,560
Speaker 1: but man, oh man, these guys are honed in yeah,

106
00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't even imagine it. Yeah, but they are.

107
00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,760
Speaker 1: That's what we tried to do. I'll bring you a

108
00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,400
Speaker 1: little bit of last week. But here's the other thing.

109
00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,359
Speaker 1: And I learned something about our show and our listeners

110
00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,880
Speaker 1: last week, just the way our combine went, our people,

111
00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,080
Speaker 1: our listeners. Yes, we're interested in the draft, were interested

112
00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,159
Speaker 1: in these prospects. We're more interested in a general overall picture.

113
00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,560
Speaker 1: And that's what the combine did for me. Anyway. You

114
00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,200
Speaker 1: get a sense of what the Chargers are thinking about

115
00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,720
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, what other teams are thinking about Philip Rivers

116
00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,200
Speaker 1: for example, what other what stuff's going on. You know

117
00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,640
Speaker 1: how much people are talking about Brady Um and not

118
00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,640
Speaker 1: from talking to other media as much as talking to

119
00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,560
Speaker 1: the real football people like Tom Talsco and Mike Tannenbaum

120
00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,599
Speaker 1: who's now with the ESPM but was general manager of

121
00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,520
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Dolphins for a while, and and

122
00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,560
Speaker 1: Frank Wright. You know, you get a sense of how

123
00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,040
Speaker 1: they're what they think of their team, what they think

124
00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,520
Speaker 1: of your team. A little bit. We got some of

125
00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,120
Speaker 1: that in but it's it's more of an overall annual

126
00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,680
Speaker 1: convention of the NFL and that's I think our show

127
00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,640
Speaker 1: lest we tried to plug into that, see what people

128
00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,159
Speaker 1: are thinking about where these teams are and where they're

129
00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,680
Speaker 1: headed in the draft, because the prospects are there, in

130
00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,080
Speaker 1: free agency because it's two weeks away, and where they're

131
00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,800
Speaker 1: headed for the upcoming season. I think I think we

132
00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,040
Speaker 1: tried to do a good job of kind of plugging

133
00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,440
Speaker 1: into that bringing Yeah, we did, I agree with you.

134
00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,880
Speaker 1: And it's interesting too, because one of the early stories,

135
00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't even finger quote stories Joe Burrow's hand size.

136
00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you get it's all this minutia of information

137
00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,800
Speaker 1: that all of us gulp in. I mean the football people,

138
00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,440
Speaker 1: they just gulping all this information. All they got three

139
00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,520
Speaker 1: two forty times, they got broad jumped, they got a

140
00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,320
Speaker 1: long jump, they got a cone drill, they got vertical jump.

141
00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,320
Speaker 1: And you're gulping all this these little bits of information

142
00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,240
Speaker 1: in and you're trying to distill it down. And then

143
00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're having conversations about a different topic

144
00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,640
Speaker 1: at the in the office just a minute ago, Murph.

145
00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,080
Speaker 1: But then the personal agendas kind of start to elevate,

146
00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, the personal opinions and and the little bits

147
00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,920
Speaker 1: of information every Scout has about Joe Burrow, and the

148
00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,800
Speaker 1: bits of information they have about Henry Ruggs, and the

149
00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,520
Speaker 1: conversation one Scout had with the assistant head coach at

150
00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,480
Speaker 1: Alabama about an incident he had with Henry Ruggs, a

151
00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,200
Speaker 1: great experience or a bad experience, and all that stuff

152
00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,680
Speaker 1: starts to get filtered into the personal opinion that the

153
00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,200
Speaker 1: Scouts have about these guys that goes way beyond all

154
00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,040
Speaker 1: this minutia of statistics and measurables that we see. And now,

155
00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a stew of information that

156
00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,240
Speaker 1: you've got to distill down to a decision, and it's

157
00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,000
Speaker 1: it's like and this is just the beginning of it, right,

158
00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just the beginning of it. And

159
00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,240
Speaker 1: we heard that, and you can comment on this tumor.

160
00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,800
Speaker 1: You sit down with Tom to Lesko and Frank Reich,

161
00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:59,120
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott, Brandon Bean, you get Mike Tannenbaum on there,

162
00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,880
Speaker 1: you got all these guys that were you know, Mike Ross,

163
00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,280
Speaker 1: the guy that was used Mark Ross, that used to

164
00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,120
Speaker 1: be that GM. You get all these things. It's like,

165
00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,920
Speaker 1: this is just the start. There's so much that you

166
00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,280
Speaker 1: can't control and who you don't know who's gonna We

167
00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,800
Speaker 1: don't even know who's gonna pick in the top five

168
00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,120
Speaker 1: of the draft. You know. Well, that's the other big

169
00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,480
Speaker 1: takeaway I took from our time last week, and we're

170
00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,840
Speaker 1: gonna talk about this a little bit today, the fact

171
00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,080
Speaker 1: that this is for us, and it's it's we're in

172
00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the process here. You know. Over the weekend,

173
00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,400
Speaker 1: people tell me who the Bill's gonna pick. They don't

174
00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,160
Speaker 1: even know. Most teams don't know. You know, the Cincinnati

175
00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,240
Speaker 1: Bengals were the number one overall first pick. If you

176
00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,839
Speaker 1: ask them, they're probably you know, Burrows, they're likely pick.

177
00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,920
Speaker 1: But they're not settled on anybody. And nobody is, especially

178
00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,559
Speaker 1: the Bills down to twenty two. Nobody has settled on anything,

179
00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,079
Speaker 1: and everybody wants to be flexible and ready to react

180
00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,880
Speaker 1: to whatever happens. And I look for that over the

181
00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,240
Speaker 1: next And it's a short couple of months coming up here,

182
00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,480
Speaker 1: with free agency in two weeks, the negotiating the legal

183
00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,400
Speaker 1: tampering period starts two weeks from today, the officials signing

184
00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,800
Speaker 1: day for free agents two weeks from Wednesday, so that'll

185
00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,640
Speaker 1: get busy in a couple of weeks. Then you got

186
00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,440
Speaker 1: the draft following that by about five weeks, but nobody

187
00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,840
Speaker 1: quite knows exactly what they're gonna do yet, including the

188
00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,120
Speaker 1: Bills and Brandon being freely kind of admitted that to us.

189
00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,719
Speaker 1: You know, right, they're sure there's guys we like, we're

190
00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna be in position to get them. I don't know, right,

191
00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,520
Speaker 1: they don't know right now. Yeah, And I know our

192
00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,240
Speaker 1: listeners don't really care about it. It felt but to

193
00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,000
Speaker 1: you and me, it felt like a really productive week

194
00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,920
Speaker 1: lass week because we've got so much, got a chance

195
00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,720
Speaker 1: to talk to so many people, had guests on the show,

196
00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,319
Speaker 1: and it was really great. But the thing that excuse

197
00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,640
Speaker 1: me got really kind of swept to the side. But actually,

198
00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,520
Speaker 1: now I think for you and me this week, I

199
00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,160
Speaker 1: think we're gonna spend a lot of time talking about

200
00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,400
Speaker 1: the CBA a little bit, you know, because that's really

201
00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,160
Speaker 1: high on the list of what's happening for the players

202
00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,160
Speaker 1: that are actually playing now they're all gonna have to

203
00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,520
Speaker 1: vote on this thing for it. They don't you forget

204
00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,800
Speaker 1: about the rookie class coming in, They got the veterans.

205
00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,120
Speaker 1: Now I got to vote on this new CBA. The

206
00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,439
Speaker 1: NFL attorneys who I can imagine are some pretty sharp guys,

207
00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,440
Speaker 1: I would think, given the budget that they have to

208
00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,040
Speaker 1: work with and the NFLPA guys, they all met for

209
00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,320
Speaker 1: nine hours yesterday and they're back in meetings again today

210
00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,360
Speaker 1: and they're going over to the proposal CBA so they

211
00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,880
Speaker 1: can get it to the players to vote on. And

212
00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,240
Speaker 1: this is all about the language and the nuts and

213
00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,920
Speaker 1: bolts of what the players, what's going to happen in

214
00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,200
Speaker 1: the collective barting in agreement going forward. And they're gonna

215
00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,800
Speaker 1: get that all mapped out, distilled and and quantified so

216
00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,840
Speaker 1: that they can present it to the rank and file

217
00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,120
Speaker 1: of the NFLPA so they can vote on it. And

218
00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,440
Speaker 1: those meetings are going on so that the proposal to

219
00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,600
Speaker 1: the players hasn't even gone out yet, right, I mean,

220
00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,680
Speaker 1: they're putting the you know, dot and ice crossing teas

221
00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,800
Speaker 1: getting right together. Two interviews stood out to me last

222
00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,520
Speaker 1: week that we did just be just notable stuff that

223
00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,199
Speaker 1: was said that I think makes a lot of sense.

224
00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,959
Speaker 1: One of them was, I don't even know what day

225
00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,199
Speaker 1: it was, whole the whole week was a blur. Jordan Palmer.

226
00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,199
Speaker 1: I thought we had a great conversation with him. He is,

227
00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,439
Speaker 1: of course the former quarterback runs the Quarterback Summit camp

228
00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,400
Speaker 1: out in southern California, and for the third consecutive off

229
00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,079
Speaker 1: season he has Josh Allen out there. And Jordan Palmer

230
00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,840
Speaker 1: said a couple of things to us about Josh and

231
00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,960
Speaker 1: his offseason workouts. Again he's in the offseason. Talked about

232
00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,160
Speaker 1: dropping a pin, like a Google pin. That's how he's

233
00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,079
Speaker 1: kind of getting Josh thinking about completing deep passes. Right,

234
00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,480
Speaker 1: there's mechanics at work too, but so as a mental state,

235
00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, dropping a Google pin like you would on

236
00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,400
Speaker 1: the internet, meet me there, receiver and want you to

237
00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,400
Speaker 1: be there. The other thing that Jordan Palmer talked about, well,

238
00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,000
Speaker 1: he talked about a lot of stuff. If you missed it,

239
00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,280
Speaker 1: by the way, you can go back to our website,

240
00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,360
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills dot com or go to the Bills app.

241
00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,480
Speaker 1: The interviews are all there at Jordan Palmer talking about

242
00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,840
Speaker 1: his Quarterback Summer Camp. The other thing was how hard

243
00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,320
Speaker 1: Josh works, how much he loves playing here, how hard

244
00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,640
Speaker 1: he works. That really stuck with me, Steve, and I

245
00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,240
Speaker 1: think any Bills fan who would hear that would have

246
00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,400
Speaker 1: to be encouraged. And he's right, Josh has gotten better

247
00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,360
Speaker 1: every offseason since even before he was drafted, and we

248
00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,679
Speaker 1: anticipated another step forward this offseason basically because he's such

249
00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,920
Speaker 1: a hard worker number one, and how much Josh likes

250
00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,199
Speaker 1: playing in Buffalo. That interview stuck with me. The other

251
00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,520
Speaker 1: man to interview that stuck in me, Steve was Great Cosell.

252
00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,480
Speaker 1: Now we have Greg on every week during the regular season.

253
00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,720
Speaker 1: He is a friend of the show. But we got

254
00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,080
Speaker 1: talking about Bucky Brooks nfl dot com article about a

255
00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,800
Speaker 1: revolution and quarterback evaluation and revolution quarterback play. How quarterbacks

256
00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,120
Speaker 1: now they want the coaches want them to be scorers,

257
00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,880
Speaker 1: not just shooters. They don't care how they get the

258
00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,040
Speaker 1: big plays. They just want big plays. Great kind of

259
00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,679
Speaker 1: pooh pooed that said, it's still important to have some

260
00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,960
Speaker 1: fundamental stuff down. It was a great philosophical discussion with

261
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,679
Speaker 1: Greg Cosell. Afterwards, I was walking in the hallways there

262
00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,240
Speaker 1: the combine and Gregg passed me. He goes, Murph, that

263
00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,439
Speaker 1: was a great conversation. I said, Yeah, we're into philosophy.

264
00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,679
Speaker 1: We weren't into prospects. We're into you know, where the

265
00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,640
Speaker 1: game's going and where the game has been, and that's

266
00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,240
Speaker 1: kind of stuff we were doing last weekend. I really

267
00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,400
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. I like that it was a great conversation

268
00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,320
Speaker 1: because there is and because we've all seen it. The

269
00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,920
Speaker 1: fun part for fans is when Patrick Mahomes or Lamar

270
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,439
Speaker 1: Jackson or Josh Allen like when you know, I'm still

271
00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,920
Speaker 1: seeing tweets and stuff on my timeline from Josh Allen

272
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,160
Speaker 1: Hurdle and that guy two years ago. You know, people

273
00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,520
Speaker 1: love that the left handed shovel pass from Mahomes as

274
00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,240
Speaker 1: he's going down, he just does it the the the

275
00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers throw when he's forty five degree angle falling

276
00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,640
Speaker 1: down and throws it over his wrong shoulder to the

277
00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,360
Speaker 1: back corner of the end zone for a touchdown. You

278
00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,160
Speaker 1: can name all of these plays, Russell Wilson moving around,

279
00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,920
Speaker 1: moving around, throwing the foot what it looks like he's

280
00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,360
Speaker 1: throwing the football away out of the back of the

281
00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,920
Speaker 1: end zone. It turns into a touchdown. All these plays

282
00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,520
Speaker 1: that have happened off the cuff by these great players.

283
00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,840
Speaker 1: Fans love it. But Greg made a great a great observation.

284
00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,920
Speaker 1: He says, listen, Ultimately, though, you also need a quarterback

285
00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,880
Speaker 1: that can run your offense. Yeah, and we had guys

286
00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,240
Speaker 1: who make third and seven, Yet he has Troy Aikman

287
00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,319
Speaker 1: dropping back, he throws it that are Jan Novchik he

288
00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,440
Speaker 1: had eight yards and you stay on the field. Those

289
00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,400
Speaker 1: are the kind of humdrum offensive plays that you've got

290
00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,440
Speaker 1: to be able to make. He makes a great point too,

291
00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,800
Speaker 1: And I cannot remember who we had on the show.

292
00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,080
Speaker 1: I've referred to it a couple of times, who said,

293
00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,360
Speaker 1: you're when your offense of line is winning, your offense

294
00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,280
Speaker 1: looked like it's a design to look. That's what happened.

295
00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,000
Speaker 1: And he's right. When your offensive line is winning and

296
00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,280
Speaker 1: doing what it's supposed to be doing, your offense looks

297
00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,320
Speaker 1: like it was designed to look. And you've got to

298
00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,440
Speaker 1: have a quarterback that can do that. And certainly there's

299
00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,160
Speaker 1: a lot of great athletes who can break out of

300
00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,240
Speaker 1: the cop and drop back three steps, not look at

301
00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,120
Speaker 1: their receiver and just take off. And Josh Allen did

302
00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,920
Speaker 1: a ton of that two years ago, and he did

303
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of it this year as well. And

304
00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,880
Speaker 1: you got to have a guy that can do that

305
00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,480
Speaker 1: because the margins in the game. We see the old

306
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,560
Speaker 1: conversation we had after the Houston playoff game when it

307
00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,040
Speaker 1: went to overtime, it was twenty plays in that game.

308
00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,440
Speaker 1: He just wanted to go your way and if they do,

309
00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,720
Speaker 1: you win. And if you do, if one of those

310
00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,280
Speaker 1: plays goes your way and you win, you forget. You're like,

311
00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,240
Speaker 1: all right, let's go, let's go on and play. Whoever.

312
00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,880
Speaker 1: It's the it's the Houston Texans who are going down

313
00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,640
Speaker 1: the list of twenty plays. And if we just had

314
00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,360
Speaker 1: one of these plays go away, you know, that's the game.

315
00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,560
Speaker 1: But that's made by great plays, players who spin out

316
00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,120
Speaker 1: of a guy getting hit by two defenders in the pocket,

317
00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,000
Speaker 1: he spins out, makes the play, they win. It's made

318
00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,440
Speaker 1: by guys like that. And that's the great philosophical decision

319
00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,240
Speaker 1: we had with Greg Cosel the other day. Do you

320
00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,920
Speaker 1: want a quarterback can run your offense or do you

321
00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,440
Speaker 1: want one of those guys that can go off the

322
00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:25,520
Speaker 1: page and make a play in overtime? Well kind of both. Well,

323
00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,840
Speaker 1: I learned a lot at the Combine last week. I

324
00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,600
Speaker 1: hope you did too if you listen, and we're back

325
00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,480
Speaker 1: here from the Combine now talking about some of the combine,

326
00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,320
Speaker 1: the impact of the Combine. Gonna get a recap on

327
00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,200
Speaker 1: the Combine from John Ledyard, who covers football for he's

328
00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,800
Speaker 1: a former Draft Network analyst covers the Bucks for the

329
00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,080
Speaker 1: Pewter Report. We'll talk to John Ledyard also going to

330
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,120
Speaker 1: talk about the new CBA with former Bills linebacker Lorenzo Alexander.

331
00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,920
Speaker 1: And doesn't that sound funny? Former Bills linebacker. But they'll

332
00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,160
Speaker 1: be joining this two o'clock hour, like care from you

333
00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,880
Speaker 1: as well. Here's the thing, if you look at the

334
00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,400
Speaker 1: upcoming week. In the week's upcoming free agency is next, right.

335
00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,520
Speaker 1: Legal tampering starts two weeks from today. Actual signing the

336
00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,240
Speaker 1: free agent starts two weeks from wednesday. Did what they

337
00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,920
Speaker 1: saw last week in Indy did an impact the Buffalo

338
00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,600
Speaker 1: Bills when it comes to their interests in free agency?

339
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,240
Speaker 1: I would imagine they would a little bit. They got

340
00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,800
Speaker 1: to see a surplus of players at one position, then

341
00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,360
Speaker 1: maybe they hadn't expected. Maybe it's like, maybe we don't

342
00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,120
Speaker 1: need a free agent wide receiver. There's so many free

343
00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,560
Speaker 1: agents available in the draft other positions as well. Our

344
00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,880
Speaker 1: question on Twitter today what position should the Bills value

345
00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,400
Speaker 1: in free agency over the draft? Freegency comes first, so

346
00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,320
Speaker 1: they can make some moves here in the next couple

347
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,200
Speaker 1: of weeks that maybe mitigate what they're going to get

348
00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,320
Speaker 1: in the draft. What position do you think should the

349
00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,640
Speaker 1: Bills value and free agency over the draft. Should it

350
00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,360
Speaker 1: be wide receiver, should it be edge rush, offensive line,

351
00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,680
Speaker 1: maybe something else. We got phone lines open eight fifty

352
00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,000
Speaker 1: toll free one eight five fifty two five fifty. We

353
00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,160
Speaker 1: got the tweet sheet is open. We've got a Twitter poll,

354
00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,240
Speaker 1: and we've had a couple under votes in already. On

355
00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,840
Speaker 1: the Twitter pole, thirty seven percent of you say edge

356
00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,640
Speaker 1: rusher is the position the Bills should value in free

357
00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,399
Speaker 1: agency over the draft, thirty four percent say offensive line.

358
00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,359
Speaker 1: They should look for offensive lineman and free agency as

359
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,159
Speaker 1: opposed to the draft, twenty three percent say wide receiver,

360
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,960
Speaker 1: and six percent say something else. I think our listeners

361
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,440
Speaker 1: so far are dead on spot on, Steve. I think

362
00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,560
Speaker 1: there's a shortage of good quality edge rushers in this draft.

363
00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,280
Speaker 1: You may want to go out and pay some money,

364
00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:28,600
Speaker 1: and you may have to beg big money to get

365
00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,040
Speaker 1: one in free agency. The same goes for offensive lineman.

366
00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,359
Speaker 1: I think there's a surplus of wide receivers. You can

367
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,440
Speaker 1: wait until second or third round to get a contributing

368
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But let's hear from you. Eight oh three

369
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,000
Speaker 1: five fifty toll free one eight eight five fifty two

370
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,200
Speaker 1: five fifty got the tweet sheet brought to you by

371
00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,320
Speaker 1: Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills. Steve,

372
00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,720
Speaker 1: you want to start us off on this. It's really

373
00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,600
Speaker 1: good and I usually don't go to the tweet sheet

374
00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,040
Speaker 1: this early in the show, but Jack has a really

375
00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,919
Speaker 1: good when he says it doesn't address the D lineman

376
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,959
Speaker 1: and a new SAM linebacker in free agency. Then use

377
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000
Speaker 1: the draft to add weapons for Josh at wide receiver

378
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,399
Speaker 1: and running back as well as right tackle. Regard the

379
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,720
Speaker 1: draft is deep at wide receiver, dB, and offensive line.

380
00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,639
Speaker 1: I expect the Bills to draft multiple players at these positions,

381
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,760
Speaker 1: but they need veterans at SAM linebacker and defensive end

382
00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,960
Speaker 1: to keep the defense elite. I kind of go along

383
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,920
Speaker 1: with that philosophy there at the end. You need veterans

384
00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,399
Speaker 1: on the defense to make sure it stays at the

385
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,840
Speaker 1: level that it was last year. I think it really

386
00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:32,080
Speaker 1: does help. Although I say that exactly. If Isaiah Simmons

387
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,040
Speaker 1: is there at twenty two, grab that sucker because he

388
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:42,560
Speaker 1: can do everything. He reminds me of Tremaine Edmonds. He

389
00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,080
Speaker 1: is big, tall and rangy and can run, he can

390
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,920
Speaker 1: rush the passer, he can drop into coverage. He's an

391
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,320
Speaker 1: athlete and he's he's he's off the charts. If you

392
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,960
Speaker 1: can get a guy like that, get him and start him,

393
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: play him, and use Tremaine Edmonds as your veteran leadership

394
00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,080
Speaker 1: for him. Tremaine can do that. The guy snaps off

395
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 1: a sub four four forty and he's big. Uh. I

396
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,639
Speaker 1: just I just think they're guys like that. If he's available,

397
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,000
Speaker 1: which he probably won't be. If there's a guy like

398
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 1: that up there, I don't care what position it is.

399
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 1: Grab that guy six pounds. He's from Oath, Kansas. Where's

400
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 1: that Oh my gosh, Yeah, that's just outside Kansas City,

401
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: down southeast southwest of Kansas City. Yeah. Um, that guy,

402
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,760
Speaker 1: that guy was a different That guy wowed me. I

403
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 1: will say that. Um. And Plus the reason I like

404
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 1: him other there's some of the other linebackers that The

405
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 1: reason I like him Murph is he's versatile. He's an athlete.

406
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,160
Speaker 1: He's got he can move side to side, he can

407
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 1: move backwards, he can move forwards. He can twist and

408
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,160
Speaker 1: bend and turn. He's he's a really good athlete. Um.

409
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 1: And that's why I think his versatility would allow him

410
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 1: to stay on the field and three for three downs

411
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 1: at linebacker and give you some flexibility in depth to

412
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 1: go out and get maybe some special teams guys or

413
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 1: some more specialized defense enders to do other things. So

414
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 1: I think he's just unbelieved, you know. And there you see,

415
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, the NFL draft board from if you're watching

416
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 1: on MSG, he's ranked sixth overall in the draft. You

417
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 1: would make it. He's not gonna make it to twenty two,

418
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm that's where I'm at right there.

419
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 1: If somebody like that of an elite status in this

420
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: draft drops down, and we've all seen it too, like

421
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: with Laramie Tunsel, who's turned out to be a really

422
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: good left tackle in the National Football League and really

423
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: a kind of a foundational player before the Miami Dolphins

424
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: traded him in a head scratching trade. The Texans could

425
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: not be happier with Laramie Tunsel. But he's a guy.

426
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: On draft day, some film gets out of him in

427
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 1: a gas mask taking a hit off a ball, right,

428
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 1: so he gets so he drops because somebody either deliberately

429
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 1: or inadvertently sabotaged his draft status on draft day, Laramie

430
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: Tunsel's a guy a lot of every team in the

431
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: league would like because he's a It's a solid guy.

432
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: Despite what you saw on some two year old video, right,

433
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: if something like that happens, we got to take advantage

434
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: of it and pick the guy up. And you know,

435
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm giving kind of an off the wall example of

436
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 1: what can sometimes happen on draft Day. Tiffany tweets in

437
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: with the potential of top pass rushers being gone by

438
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 1: pick twenty two, I would place a higher value on

439
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: that position in free agency. Adding a solid number two

440
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: corner that can cover helps the overall pass rush. I

441
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: would bring back Shack and Jordan and rotate my alignment

442
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: attacking in waves. But the up shot here from Tiffany

443
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: is get an edge defender in the first round if

444
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: you can. That's our question, right, It's our question of

445
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: the day. Did the combine the prospects you saw at

446
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: the scouting combine which ended yesterday in Indianapolis? Did the

447
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: combine change your perception of which way the Bill should

448
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,959
Speaker 1: handle free agency in a couple of weeks. What position

449
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: should the Bills value and free agency over the draft? Again,

450
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: thirty seven percent of you say edge rusher, thirty four

451
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: percent say offensive line, twenty three percent say wide receiver,

452
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: six percent say something else. Give us a call to

453
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: discuss eighth three five fifty toll free one eight eight

454
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty. We assumed you watch

455
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: a little to Combine. I watched a little when I

456
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: came home Saturday and Sunday, and I know it's not

457
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: great TV. I'm really interested to see what the ratings

458
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: are for NFL. NFL networks covered to the Combine, especially

459
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: the you know the fact that it's moved to night now.

460
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: It's always been fairly highly rated. I think, to the

461
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: surprise of many people in the league. It's like, Wow,

462
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: look at all the people watching the Combine on Saturday

463
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: afternoon or Sunday afternoon. I wonder if they'd extended into

464
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: Saturday night and Sunday later in the day. Yeah, I

465
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm certainly it was one of those things

466
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: you might have on in the background and stuff, and

467
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: to keep your finger on the pulse of because when somebody,

468
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: when a guy like Simmons snaps off a four three

469
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: nine forty two hundred and thirty five pounds, you want

470
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: to you want to see what that looks like. You know,

471
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: you want to be there and go back and watch

472
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: it and they replay it for you. That's part of

473
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: what goes on as well. And this is an interesting

474
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,160
Speaker 1: from Alan on the tweet sheet. He brings up an

475
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: interesting point. I want to get your opinion on this, Murph,

476
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: because he says, listen, oh line, without a doubt, you

477
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: should get a free agent rather than a rookie. Rookie

478
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: lineman rarely have the NFL abilities needed to start on

479
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: a playoff caliber team. And there's a lot in there

480
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: because he's right, it's hard for a young rookie offensive

481
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: lineman to come in and play at a at a

482
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: top end level. Ford rotated back and forth between right

483
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: tackle and guard. He did it last year. The kid

484
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: from Indianapolis two years ago did it and went to

485
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl as a rookie offensive lineman. They're there

486
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: and they're good, and they can you can do it

487
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: as a rookie. But I don't know that you can

488
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: find one of those guys at number twenty two. That's

489
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: the big question, right. Cody Ford was second round. Yeah,

490
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: and he was rotational. I mean he was in all

491
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: the time and he played some right tackle and stuff,

492
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: but we're still questioning whether he's a good enough tackle

493
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: or guard. I think he's good enough guard. Those guys

494
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: are there. He started a right tackle right, So I'm

495
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm here kind of the hearer there on that. I

496
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: think there are offensive linemen out there who can do that.

497
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 1: And I'm and I've said, I'm all about keeping your

498
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: offensive line stacked with really good players because in your

499
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: offense looks right. So he brings up a good point, though,

500
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: if a guy's going to come in and do it,

501
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: I would rather have a guy like Cody Ford, but

502
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: a guy who didn't have to find out whether he's

503
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: a guard or tackle. There's a couple of guys in

504
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: this draft who are plug and play as NFL offensive lineman.

505
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: You can get one, I say, get it, but you

506
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: know you need to get to a spot where you

507
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: can take the best guy out there, whether he's a

508
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: linebacker or or an offensive lineman or an edge rusher.

509
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,239
Speaker 1: I wonder, or two. I don't know if you can.

510
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: I wonder if Alan's tweet is colored by the fact

511
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: that the Bills went into free agency and got several

512
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, a couple on one year deals and had

513
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: a couple of those that group who went pretty well, right,

514
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: Quentin Spain for example, Tian Secky, they found a Mitch

515
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: Morse in particular. Yeah, big money guy. But I just

516
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: think when he says he kind of discounts rookie having

517
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: an impact, I think there are a couple of notable

518
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: rookies who have I don't know if I agree with

519
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: that tweet. Yeah, I mean it's it's there's a lot

520
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: of different things, and I think the guys, the individual

521
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: guys we're talking about, kind of affect the accuracy of

522
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: that statement. You know what I'm saying, because there have

523
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: been guys, and there have been guys through the decades

524
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: who have been able to come in as a rookie

525
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: and plug him into that spot and you never think

526
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: about him again for fifteen years. Jonathan Okins a guy

527
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: like that. Tony Boselli is a guy like that. Of course,

528
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: those guys are top five picks of the Draft of famers.

529
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, you know, it depends on

530
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: whether you know you're twenty two. Does a guy like

531
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: that exist? I don't know if it does. So we're

532
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: back from the combine. An Indie John Murphy and Steve Tasker.

533
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: We came back separately. I left Friday after the show,

534
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: drove back eight hour drive, a lot of snow on

535
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: the seven. I have to get down, you know, well

536
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: for a while. We're going forty five miles an hour.

537
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: It's funny. We got eerie, right, yeah, right around Erie.

538
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: And once we got past Erie to maybe Ill New York,

539
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: we were fine. It was Cleveland Eerie, Pa. We were

540
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: really slow, but we made it. We made it back

541
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: abound midnight or so. It was fine. Maybe eleven thirty twelve. Yeah, man,

542
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: Now you guys left early. We left three. Yeah, we

543
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: got back around eleven thirty or twelve, and I'm so glad.

544
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: I hung around. Yeah, hung in Indie for a couple

545
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: of Yeah, stayed there with a friend of mine. We

546
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: kind of hung out and just you know, hadn't seen

547
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: him for a while, so we just hung out for

548
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: a couple of days at his place, and um, it

549
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: was nice. It was fun. Got a chance to just

550
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: to kind of sit down and relax and watch the

551
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: combine over the weekend, and watched a couple of XFL

552
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: games m as well. XFL might hang out, might hang around.

553
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: I haven't seen ratings on that. I haven't either, but

554
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: they may hang around. All right, We got a lot

555
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: to talk about, including which position should be at the

556
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: top of the Bill's priority list now after the combine.

557
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: What do you think should they value a position over

558
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: another based on the UH in free agency, based on

559
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: what they saw at the combine last week? Give us

560
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: a call. We got phone lines all eight o three

561
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

562
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: five fifty. The CBA moves along. We'll talk about that anis.

563
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: The show moves along. And we've got good guests coming

564
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: up today, John Ledyard, Lorenzo Alexander, all of that coming

565
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: up today on the show. We're back in Archard Park.

566
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: Happy to be here. One Goes Live presented by KLADA

567
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: Health from the Seneca Studio in op This is Buffalo

568
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. It's One Bills Live back on the air

569
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: from Orchard Park, New York. Happy to have you with us.

570
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: Two weeks from today, free agency begins, and that is

571
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: the topic of our Twitter poll question today. Which position

572
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: should the Bills value in free agency over the draft?

573
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: In other words, you saw the combine, perhaps you saw

574
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: the prospects there. Maybe you've changed your your thinking on

575
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: where they should go in free agency. Give us a

576
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: call eight O three five fifty toll free one eight

577
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Couple of calls here.

578
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: Let's go to Kansas, Marcus and Kansas us around the

579
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: air with us. Hello, Marcus, Hey, guys, can you hear me? Okay? Yeah? Ken? Hey,

580
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: uh yeah, So I just want to say thanks a lot.

581
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: I really appreciate to talk. Um. You know, I just

582
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: moved to oh Late to Kansas. You just mentioned where

583
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is from. I just moved from West New

584
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: York out here, and it's so nice to hear uh

585
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's talk and uh when you're so yeah, I

586
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: bet uh Marcus. How did uh Simmons get away from

587
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: the Midwest and get all the way east to Clemson

588
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: to play? You know? Um? One ounce just unbelievable. I'm

589
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: really hoping we kind of go a different direction in

590
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: Round one either with two guys are on my radar.

591
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a huge Michigan fan, but the two

592
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: Iowa guys that are interesting to tackle on the d end,

593
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: I kind of find like might be a good fits

594
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 1: for us. Um, what do you guys is one of them?

595
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: Eineza Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and then going, you know,

596
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: like wide receiver round two, round three, there's a guy

597
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: like Donovan People's Jones. Like I said, I'm a big

598
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: Michigan guy, but he got underutilized in Michigan. Tested really well.

599
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: I think he's an excellent talent. Maybe round three that

600
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: we could come back with. Second time today, I've heard that.

601
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean I saw him last week, but second time

602
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: today I've heard somebody you speak highly of Donovan People's Jones.

603
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: What is there to like about him? Marcus? Give us

604
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: your opinion? Yeah, I mean I watched every step of

605
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Michigan in addition to the building tapers, but he high

606
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: points the ball well, special team are awesome on punts,

607
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: returning punts, really good hands. You know. The vertical really

608
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: really blew me away. I didn't realize he was acut

609
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: him an athlete, but the broad jump and the vertical

610
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: really good stuff. Michigan just struggles with quarterback plan finding

611
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: the open receiver. Patterson would lock onto his initial initial

612
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: guy and there were guys open all the time. I mean,

613
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: Michigan wide receivers are fantastic, but he could never just

614
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: get him the ball. So I really liked him. Five

615
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: star guy coming into Michigan, and I think maybe a

616
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: good third round option if you know the obviously the

617
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: top couple guys are gonna be gone by twenty two,

618
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, Lamb and June, But I don't know. I

619
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: think tackle or d End first, and then the depth

620
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: of wide receiver round three or two, three, four will

621
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: deth We'll have options. He sounds like People's Jones. Sounds

622
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: like the guy that people are thinking of when they

623
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: say there's starting quality receivers, you know through the third round.

624
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: That's what several said last week at the Comboy. Hey

625
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: you can get a starter at receiver as deep as

626
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: the third, maybe even the fourth round. It sounds like

627
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: People's Jones fits that bill pretty much. I think, right, yeah, yeah,

628
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: him and and the uh the guys the Colorado Channel.

629
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: I think interesting discussion there from what I've read in

630
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: terms of how nasty he is plays with an edge,

631
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: great run blocker. Um, just sounds like McDermott being kind

632
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: of guy. But um, you know that That's where I'm

633
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: thinking right now. Is wide receiver a little bit later?

634
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: Need to address d End and tackle early because I

635
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: think Ford's gonna end up at guard anyways. Okay, right,

636
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: he Marcus, I thank you. I watched People's Jones. Jay

637
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: Harrisper and I were watching the receivers Thursday night and

638
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: watched the broad jump, and People's Jones eleven feet seven

639
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: inches led the receiver group. I think he may have

640
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: had the biggest broad jump of the whole combine, a

641
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: four four eight in the forty highest vertical jump forty

642
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: four and a half inches, third best at the combine

643
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: since O six six bets broad jump. He impressed six

644
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: foot two two or to twelve pounds. He sort of

645
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: fits the need for a big receiver here, and again,

646
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: you don't need to spend a first him, probably don't

647
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: need to spend the second rounder on him. I can

648
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: see why Marcus and others. One of our producers in

649
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: the other room talked about him today as a guy

650
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: who really stood out at the combine. Right. That's and

651
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: he's certainly proven himself being an NFL athlete, and all

652
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: the other stuff you said about him being a nasty

653
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: and high point being underutilized, that's stuff that hope that well,

654
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: let's face it, I'll give you an example of a

655
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: guy being underutilized or misused at the college level is

656
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver. He was playing the nose in college and

657
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: everybody had to kind of guess at what he'd be

658
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: at a three technique in the pros, and it certainly

659
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: proved to be the right move for him as he developed,

660
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: and rightly so, that's probably what hindered him in his

661
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: development to get to that level. It took him, you know,

662
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: six or eight games, and then the second half of

663
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: the year of his rookie year he finally said, okay,

664
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: now he looks like a three technique. Now he's really

665
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: reading some havoc out there, and you got the player

666
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: you thought you could. But you have to be able

667
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: to look past either no opportunities at college, or an

668
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: injury at college or playing out a position at college.

669
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: You have to be able to look past that. And

670
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: People's Jones seemed like one of those guys where if

671
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: you can sift through all the stuff that kept him

672
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: from being as productive as you think he might should

673
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: have been, particularly the stuff that he couldn't control, then

674
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: you can find yourself maybe a really good player. And

675
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: People's Jones may be exactly that. That kind of guy

676
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: and special teams, right, I mean third round guy who

677
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: can come in and be an important player on special teams.

678
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: That's value. That's a lot of value right there. I

679
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: think this guy, our next caller has a totally different

680
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: opinion on what the position they could value in free agency.

681
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: It's Nick and Niagara falls. Hello, Nick areround the air. Hey,

682
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: how's it going, guys? Good? Good? Good good? Um. I

683
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: was I was kind of hoping, with Josh Allen being

684
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: in year three right now, that we find him something

685
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: that he can win with this year. And that's why

686
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking maybe a receiver and free agency, I

687
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: mean something in a wish list of Omari Cooper, aj Green,

688
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: something just to get him going a little bit more

689
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: experience behind him, a post, and maybe going after that

690
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the first round where obviously gonna take

691
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: some time to develop in the NFL. UM I think

692
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: we'd be better doing that and then maybe addressing it

693
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: like that the others have said the A J. S.

694
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: Banenza and in the first round, and then maybe looking

695
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: for a young receiver second round, maybe trade up earlier

696
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: in the second round to grab someone like If Chanot

697
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: falls down, I know he's got some some core injuries.

698
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: He's going to be out for a couple of weeks,

699
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: might make him fall a little bit, uh te Higgins,

700
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: I see, you know, drops a little bit here and there,

701
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: so times a little bit higher up on some of

702
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: the mocks. But I think it'd be interesting to go

703
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: out spend some money. We got that cap space, AJ Green,

704
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: I would love Amari Cooper, Stefan Diggs might be available

705
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: that somebody's got a little more experience, help Josh Allen

706
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: win in year three and address the other issues to

707
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: the draft. The problem Nick and I will disagree with

708
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: you slightly. You're gonna have to spend a lot of

709
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: money to get a quality wide receiver, right, and let's

710
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: rule out the top couple Mari Cooper, AJ Green because

711
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna be ridiculous money, Robbie Anderson, Emmanuel Sanders, Breshad Perriman,

712
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe even Nelson agilor people like that. They're gonna get

713
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 1: big money. Devin Funchius, Why do you want to spend

714
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: big money and a guy when it's look, it's not

715
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: a crying need. It'd be nice to add a more dynamic,

716
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: explosive receiver to the roster, But they do have a

717
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: couple of good ones, at least a couple, And I

718
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: don't know if you want they want to lock up

719
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: that much money on one of those guys. They have

720
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: other guys to pay, including their own, the guys they've drafted,

721
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: right right. I think it is a cry need. I mean,

722
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: all season long, people want that number one. They've got,

723
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: they've got cap space. I don't think they've got anyby

724
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: that they're blowing out of the budget just yet, but

725
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: I know that there is people are gonna have to

726
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: get paid coming up. But I think that's one of

727
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: the spots where you just you want Josh Allen to

728
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: be successful. Yeah, well, and I know Amari Cooper is

729
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a fortune. But if you imagine someone like

730
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: that take in the first role, following John Brown, following VZ,

731
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: that that makes a very interesting offense coming up. So Nick,

732
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: let me ask you this and I because here's what

733
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: I've been harping on. I you think this number one

734
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver is gonna be this magic elixir that all

735
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Josh Allen throws for forty five hundred

736
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: yards instead of thirty two hundred yards, and there's gonna

737
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: be like you know, all of you know, the offense

738
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be different, the running game is gonna get better,

739
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: and you think it's gonna take an outside guy to

740
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: do it, and a big number one wide receiver will

741
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: be the difference maker for Josh Right, Well, I mean,

742
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: you can get a nice rookie, like I said, T

743
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Higgins is gonna help, but I mean, yeah, I think

744
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: we need someone who's got that bigger size. John Brown

745
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: is good, he'sall, but somebody is just an extra target.

746
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if John Brown becomes your second best receiver

747
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: in the Bills passing corps, I mean, that's good news

748
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: for the Bills when you've got a guy who's just

749
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: going to be more helpful for Josh. Well, there's no question.

750
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: You get better when you get better players, no question.

751
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: And if you can find a guy in this draft

752
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: that would be better than the combination of guys rolling

753
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: through at that other spot, particularly if you get a

754
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: guy good enough to step ahead at John Brown, yeah,

755
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna get better, and Josh Allen's numbers should get better.

756
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: But I think Josh Allen's numbers depend more on Josh

757
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: Allen than they do a name a rook whatever player

758
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: you put out there, whether it's Julio Jones, AJ Green

759
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: or you know, DK Metcalf or T Higgins or any

760
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: of these other guys in this and Judy or whoever

761
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: these guys are. I think Josh Allen's numbers depend more

762
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: on Josh Allen than they do anybody on the outside.

763
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: And I will say this too, and I want to

764
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: get hear what you have to say about if Nick,

765
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: if you're still there, and Murph, if you want to

766
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: chime in, you've got to be able to use the

767
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: guys you've got. What's that? What would happen if the

768
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: Bills went create more creative and said they got a

769
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: guy not only to give Josh a new weapon, but

770
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: also to compliment a guy like Devin Singletary, and they're

771
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: going to run a lot of two back set with

772
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: two backs in the backfield who catched the ball rather

773
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: than run it, or as well as run it. What

774
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: if they decided to go that route and they want

775
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: to do something that nobody else in the NFL's doing,

776
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: and they gave a Josh a weapon like that, a

777
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: back who could split out if he wanted to and

778
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: be a match mismatch or whatever my question is going

779
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: to be go ahead. I was just yeah. I mean,

780
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great option if I mean, you're

781
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: still gonna have to get somebody to come in as

782
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: at two back. I mean, I don't think they were

783
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: looking at anybody in the draft like a running back

784
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: round one. I didn't see that in anything. I mean

785
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: that being and them are looking at right now. But

786
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could do that. But I'm

787
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: just thinking every all year we were fighting on who

788
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: that third receiver is. And I'm a big fan of

789
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: Duke Williams. I wanted the guy to be successful, but

790
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I was going to trust McDermott that, you know, when

791
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: he was ready, he was ready. In the fact that

792
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: he sat out that many games really tells me that

793
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: they were the sights of about a served receiver. Yeah,

794
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: or he couldn't earn his way onto the field. Is

795
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: that's why it's done. I mean, in this building, they

796
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: you earn your way on. Duke got there for a

797
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: minute and lost it and got it back later in

798
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 1: the season and in the playoffs. I think it says

799
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: something about where he was headed. We're in the most

800
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: important game of the season. He actually got on the

801
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: field and got ten targets. So that says something about

802
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: where Duke Williams was. But I'm with you in this.

803
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: In this respect, if you can get a receiver that

804
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: leap frogs Cole Beasley and John Brown or even or

805
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: Cole or John or whatever order you want to put

806
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: those guys in. But if a guy that can get

807
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: up there and be there as the guy every single snap,

808
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: the offense should get better. There's no question about it.

809
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: There's no question about it because they couldn't decide on

810
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: a guy over there. Yeah, and I don't think many people.

811
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: Thanks for your call, Nick, I don't think many people

812
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: would dispute that. Steve. The question becomes are you willing

813
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: to pay for him, whether it's in terms of a

814
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: premium first round draft pick or big money in free agency.

815
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't know that the Bills are ready to pay

816
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: for that guy who would leap frog John Brown and Colebasi.

817
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: I think they want a good receiver to add to

818
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: the mix. I think they can get one effectively in

819
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: the draft, maybe not even the first rounder, but I

820
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: don't know if they're willing to, you know, go to

821
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: the wall pan a guy to be that guy. One

822
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: thing here that we've seen these guys do, Brandon Being

823
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: and Sean McDermott, they aint gonna overpay for anybody. So

824
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: whoever they get, whoever they get, they're gonna try and

825
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: upgrade at that position, and they're gonna get him for

826
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: the right price. Which is why you and I kind

827
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: of throw Julio Jones and and Ajmari Cooper and those guys.

828
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: We throw them out the window because so many teams

829
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: we've seen it. You can point to whatever team you

830
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: want to point to, and the Bills were one of

831
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: those teams too. Before this, before Brandon Being and Sean McDermott,

832
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: they signed these guys to contracts they got no shot

833
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: of living up to. I mean, how how good would

834
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: a guy have to How good would a running back

835
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: have to be to earn fourteen million bucks a year guaranteed?

836
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: He had to be really good? And the Bills have

837
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: done that too. I mean, you can that's exactly you know.

838
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I mean how it's hard to quantify. Listen,

839
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: the offensive line was way way better with Mitch Morrison

840
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: there than they were the year before, you know, so,

841
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean they were way better. So and give him

842
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: some help and maybe they get even better. But but

843
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: my point is they're gonna get the guy they want

844
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: for the right price. They paid for Star low to Lelee,

845
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: and I think for me, they're smart enough to pay

846
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: for guys that the fans may not appreciate but are

847
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: doing exactly what they do at that spot. And if

848
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: they make them the highest paid guy at their position

849
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: and they're doing what they want them to do at

850
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: that spot, then they can pay him. I don't care.

851
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't need a guy that you don't. You know,

852
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: your defensive tackle is not going to get nine thousand sacks,

853
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: get that. But don't you think in renegotiation with Star

854
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: is an acknowledgement that they overpaid him and probably knew

855
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: they were overpaying him just to get him here though. Yeah.

856
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: But but the fact he's willing to renegotiate says that

857
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: they're in line financially, and certainly they weren't unhappy with him,

858
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're unhappy with him at all either.

859
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: But if they can point to his numbers, hey, listen there,

860
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: here's what you're doing, or here's what you're you know,

861
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: we need to restructure. And it was a good and

862
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't a bad deal for Star either to renegotiate either.

863
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, that may be, and they may do

864
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: the same thing with Mitch Morris, although like you know,

865
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: I doubt this early, but still, you know what I'm saying.

866
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: So um, I think when we're talking about them getting

867
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: a guy, if you want a guy who's gonna leap

868
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: frog John Brown and Cole Beasley in the rotation a

869
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you almost have to get a number twenty

870
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: two pick, don't you. Yeah, and let me say this too,

871
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: and the caller may point of this in another caller

872
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: who's as well. I've never heard anybody in the building

873
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: here at one Wheels Drive to talk about the need

874
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: or the desire for a number one receiver. I heard

875
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: a lot among fans. I don't think they look at

876
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: Brown or a new guy free agent or draft pick

877
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: coming in as the new number one receiver. I just

878
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 1: don't think they look at it like that. I don't

879
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: know that that. I I think I know what people

880
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: mean by that, although I should be willing to ask

881
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: that question, but I just don't. They don't think of

882
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: it in those terms. Oh he's our number one. I've

883
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: never heard anybody say that. I don't know. I'm not

884
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: being up to Sarah. I just think they look at

885
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: it differently, like we would add this piece to a

886
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: mix that includes John Brown Cole Beasley. But they don't

887
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: say we would add a number one? Did John Brown

888
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: and Cole Beasley? If you ever heard that? No, But

889
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: what you will hear is, think about this. They want

890
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: a guy to line up there every week. Yeah. They

891
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: don't want Isaiah McKenzie this week, Duke Williams next week.

892
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: You know, Robert Foster or Andre Roberts the next week,

893
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: and then Robert Foster the next week, and then a

894
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: different guy the next week. And you know what I'm saying.

895
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: They want a guy that's got that job, earned it

896
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: and is holding it down and you're happy he's there.

897
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't think they found that guy yet, and until

898
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: they do, they're gonna keep searching. But I think that's

899
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: what I hear more of than anything. They want a

900
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: guy that can be good enough to be there every week. Yeah,

901
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: no matter what, you know, I think that's what they're

902
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: looking for. And as good as they can get that guy,

903
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: then you're then that's what we're talking about. As good

904
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: as they can get a guy. I don't think anybody

905
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: wants a spot on the roster on an offense or

906
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: defense where they who who who'd give us the best

907
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: chance to win this week? Is that this guy? Is it?

908
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: That guy? It's the same guy every week that they

909
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: want a guy that they're not going to name. Oh

910
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: he's our number one. Now, they're not gonna do that.

911
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think they're built like that.

912
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: You gotta break. We're coming back. One Mill's Live, presented

913
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: by Kalaida Health from the Seneca Studio in Archard Park.

914
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio One's Live. John Murphy Steep Tasker.

915
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: We're back at work here in Archard Park. Happy to

916
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: be here. Good to be home, wasn't Steve? You got

917
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: home last really good, really really good. Yeah, it's a

918
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: long week. It was a long week and you always

919
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: think like and we did have some good times. I mean,

920
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: we went out to dinner a couple of times, had

921
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: a few pops and got to say hid to a

922
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: lot of people and bond with our co workers and

923
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: all that, right, and that was fun. But man, you

924
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: forget how busy you stay during the day and how

925
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: you and a little bit of it is like we

926
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: got to be here, but we're gonna have to wait

927
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: when we get there, you know kind of thing. A

928
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: little bit of that. But you stay busy. There's always

929
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: a lot going on, and the atmosphere is fun. And

930
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: it was it was it was really like I said,

931
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: you really feel like he really productive when you go there.

932
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: One of the things we did, and you may have noticed,

933
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: if you're a close observer on the TV, we would

934
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: do the show, right, We get there at nine, do

935
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: the show at noon. After the show, we tipped a

936
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: couple of days, we take more interviews for the next day. Yeah,

937
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: so now all of a sudden, instead of a three

938
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: hour show and not you know, we're not shirking work,

939
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: but we're there from nine in the morning till five

940
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: in afternoon a couple of days. Right, So, yeah, shall

941
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: we give basting? Should we give them the enormous secret

942
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: that we always worry about? Where they did? So like today,

943
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Murph's got on the black obl quarters of I got

944
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: the red one on and we're sitting here and if

945
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: you watch the show and the interview, and we changed

946
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: quarters zips between the interview at the last segment and

947
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: this segment where we were dressed in rely it is

948
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: because we did it on a different day. So that's

949
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: the big not once. Now people are going to go

950
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: back and check, you know, but we did because we know,

951
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: like on the first day we got there, it was

952
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: like drinking from a fire hose. You got Frank Wright,

953
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: you got Mike Tannenbaum, you know, Sean McDermott, Brandon Bean,

954
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: Tom Talsco. Well, like, I mean, it was like a

955
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: who's who and they were all stopping by and we

956
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, we have connections with all of those guys obviously,

957
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: and uh so we did it. We taped as much

958
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: as we could so we could get you know, give

959
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: it to people, give it to you our listeners and viewers,

960
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: and and uh we had we played a little bit

961
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: later in the week. I worry that we're petting ourselves

962
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: on the back too much good shows. Well it was, yeah,

963
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm not really I don't know if I don't know

964
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: if it's I don't know if it was uh, I

965
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: don't know if it was us petting ourselves on the backer,

966
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: just explaining how busy we were, and it was fun.

967
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: It was really was. We got a good topic today

968
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: which position should the Bills value in free agency as

969
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: opposed to the draft. We'll take your phone calls when

970
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: we come back for our number two eight three five

971
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

972
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: five fifty. When we come back, we're gonna recap the

973
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: combine with John Ledyard. He is a former reporter for

974
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: the Draft Network now works for the Pewter Report covering

975
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: the Bucks. He was at the combine last week. John

976
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: Ledyard to recap the combined force when we come back.

977
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: One Does Live presented by Klata Health from the Seneca

978
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: Studio NP. This is Buffalo Bills Radiolow Bills Radio Network

979
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: Stories update. The update from One Mills Live. Some of

980
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: the Some of the news today around the NFL. The

981
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Jaguars are gonna use their franchise hag on defensive end

982
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: Yannick and Gotway, according to the league sources, will allow

983
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: them to try to trade him if that's what they

984
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: decided or a forced to do and Goquay treated this

985
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: morning that his time in Jacksonville is over. Franchise tag

986
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: for him carries an approximate value of nineteen point three

987
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: million dollars. Cincinnati Bengals planned to use their franchise tag

988
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: on wide receiver AJ Green. Sources tell ESPN Bengals one

989
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: Green and Cincinnati next year no matter what, even though

990
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: the tag is or a longer deal either through the

991
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: tag or a longer deal estimated to be worth eighteen

992
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars the wide receiver tag, two

993
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: signs would have until July fifteenth to reach a long

994
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: term deal. Several quarterbacks set for a hit free agency

995
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. Everybody waiting for Tom Brady to

996
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: make his decision. The market for Andy Dalton should become

997
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: clearer once that happens. Three potential suitors for the long

998
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: time starting quarterback include the Chicago Bears, Indianapolis Colts, and

999
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. The Bears have maintained that Mitchell Trubisky

1000
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: will be their starter this season, but they also say

1001
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: they want to get better depth at quarterback. At the

1002
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: Combine final day yesterday, Utah's Javelin Guidry sold the show

1003
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: in the forty yard dash among some backs. An official

1004
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: clock in at four point two nine seconds, the only

1005
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: cornerback to run a sub four three time. Also at

1006
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: Combine on the final day, Ohio States Jeff Okuda, considered

1007
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: the best cornerback available, got heard temporarily sidelined from combat workouts.

1008
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: Yesterday landed hard leaping for Vall, but he returned to workouts.

1009
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: He ran an official four point four forty jump for

1010
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: a pastor and position drills. Hit his head on the

1011
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: turf at Lucaswell Stadium. Had to leave, but he was

1012
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: able to return. The proposed CBA in the NFL, the

1013
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: Collective Bargaining Agreement is being viewed by players all over

1014
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: the league over the next week or so. It not

1015
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: only grows the practice squad, but expands it broadly. According

1016
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: to a summary of the proposed CBA provided by the

1017
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: nfl PA, there'd be no limit on the number of

1018
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: years that the player is eligible. Shavers practicing today. Their

1019
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: road trip finishes tomorrow in Winnipeg. And that is the

1020
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: update from One Does Live. John Murphy and Steve Tasker

1021
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: back in our studio back home in Orchard Park. On

1022
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: the line, we're gonna talk about Combine a little bit.

1023
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: We've got a man on the line who was at

1024
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: the Combine. An Indie is an NFL draft reporter, Bucks

1025
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: reporter for the Pewter Report in Tampa Bay. Former Draft

1026
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Network analysts happy to have John Ledyard on the line

1027
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: with us. John, John Murphy and Steve Tasker Upper in Buffalo,

1028
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: thanks for coming out, Hey, absolutely, thank you guys for

1029
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: having me. I appreciate it. Your most recent post. I

1030
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: think it's your most recent. You had ten takeaways from

1031
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: the Scouting Combine. You start right off with something that

1032
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: I said to Steve here a little bit ago, how

1033
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: much I learned at the combine, And you said the

1034
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: combine is a gift people should learn from it. Can

1035
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: you elaborate a little bit, John, Yeah, for sure. Well,

1036
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: I think some of the natural inclination of analysts, especially

1037
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: when you've been doing this all throughout the college football season,

1038
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: you enter the combine and you have these preconceived notions

1039
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: about how things are going to go or who you

1040
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: would like to see tests well, and sometimes our automatic

1041
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: response is to dismiss information if it goes against kind

1042
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: of what we're thinking. But the combine is shown, especially

1043
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: at certain positions, and when you take certain test results

1044
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: into consideration, that the information we glean there can be

1045
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: extremely helpful in predicting successivefl players. So it is actually

1046
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: wiser for us to kind of dismiss some of the

1047
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: notions that we had coming in if some of the

1048
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: combine information flies in the face of that, or to

1049
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: at least go back to the tape and reanalyze kind

1050
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: of what we've seen with the new information that we've

1051
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: gained to see if our perspective changes at all. The

1052
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: objective of these things, these things analyst is to be

1053
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: right by the time the draft happens, not necessarily right

1054
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: by the time the combine happens right. And it's just

1055
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: to say, you don't disregard what the plane tape, the

1056
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: game tape shows of their college career, but the combine

1057
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: just another tool to use right correct. Yeah, they should

1058
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: work hand in hand at all times. And when one

1059
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: side feels like the other side is wrong or how

1060
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: to get the other side, that's when you come to

1061
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: bad conclusions on both sides of it. Never should the

1062
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: combine stand alone, and never should the tape stand alone.

1063
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, we should be as using these workout results

1064
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: as much as possible to draw better conclusions into work

1065
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: in conjunction with our watching of the team. And this

1066
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: isn't the only workout they're going to do. All these

1067
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: players will have pro days where the scouts will come

1068
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: in again and run them through a lot of the

1069
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: same stuff and maybe some other stuff as well. It'll

1070
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: be one more you know, workout where they get an

1071
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: up close, hands on personal look at these guys right

1072
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: on the field, and they'll be able to compare the

1073
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: two the combine in the pro day now, and we've

1074
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: seen in years past where there's a discrepancy. Usually the

1075
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: player either has to overcome a bad combine or reinforce

1076
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: a bad combine, or say yeah, this is really who

1077
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: I am? Or what happens if their pro days horrific

1078
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: and they had a pretty good combine, right, yeah, Usually

1079
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: you see somewhat more friendly times coming out of Pro days.

1080
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: Also important to note that, yes, teams do have their

1081
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: own times from the combine for a lot of what happens,

1082
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: but for Pro days they really have their own times.

1083
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's the school issue kind of their times,

1084
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: but a lot of the times those have been known

1085
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: to be a little bit favorable toward the player. So

1086
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more reading between the lines with

1087
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: a Pro day than I think there is the combine.

1088
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: A lot of the forties aren't run on lasers, so

1089
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: you're up to human error on the stopwatch for those things.

1090
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: So there is a lot to take into consideration. You know,

1091
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you get burned. I remember Darius Leonard when he

1092
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: came out. He a small school guy. I thought he

1093
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: had some issues on tape, and then his combine, he

1094
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: didn't really run out the combine. His pro day performance

1095
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: then was was not very good at all. So when

1096
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: I was kind of considering everything, man a small school guy,

1097
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: some issues on tape, and these protein numbers are really

1098
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: rough for a linebacker, probably not gonna end up that

1099
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: high on him, and then he ends up being one

1100
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: of the players who comes back to burn with the

1101
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: way that he plays in the NFL. So sometimes it

1102
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: is difficult. Most of the time these numbers lead us

1103
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: to good conclusions, but sometimes, especially with the pro days,

1104
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of in between with the reading process

1105
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: of looking at those results. John, Before we get into

1106
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty of this recently completed combine, just a

1107
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: question for an historical perspective, what do you think happened

1108
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago with Mike Mamula's incredible combine that

1109
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: vaulted him into the first round. He obviously was a

1110
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: bit of a bust in the NFL. Was it just

1111
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: the beginning of people analyzing combined results or how could

1112
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: they be so wrong the Eagles be so wrong based

1113
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: on combine results on Mamola back then. Yeah, I think

1114
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: you bring up a good point. So I think the

1115
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: combined results are more helpful as a disqualifier for players.

1116
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: So if a guy might have show solid things on tape,

1117
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: but his combined results were poor to an extent, I

1118
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: think that at that point, that's when you can start

1119
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: to disqualify some people from the combine. For example, Cameron

1120
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: Danceler from Mississippi State run four six four at the combine. Now,

1121
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: there just isn't a track record of cornerbacks that run

1122
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: slower than four six four being successful starters in the NFL,

1123
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: outside of maybe a Josh Norman for a couple of

1124
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: years who ran four six six. So right away you

1125
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: start to worry about Cameron Danceler where he's projected to go,

1126
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: which going into the combine was late first round. So

1127
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: it's good vers a disqualifier. But there's a lot of

1128
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: guys who test great at the combine and are great

1129
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 1: athletes and on tape don't show you anything. We see

1130
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: this every year. I mean you mentioned Mamola Vernon Goldston.

1131
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: We've seen there's been so many players over the years

1132
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: that have tested great at the combine, But the tape

1133
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: was concerning, and the projection of the NFL as players

1134
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: were concerning. So you always have to be cautious when

1135
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: you're bumping up guys just based on how they tested,

1136
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: because there's so much more to the process, and the

1137
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: tape is always going to be the most important thing.

1138
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: And if they couldn't play there, you can project them

1139
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: to success in the NFL, But you have to understand

1140
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: it's a risk because football is a technical and a

1141
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: mental game first and foremost. In the athleticism always helps,

1142
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: but you can come up short in those key areas

1143
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: and never see the field because of it. How difficult

1144
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: is it for you as an analyst to understand what

1145
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: goes on behind the closed doors? So many teams tell

1146
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: us one of the most important aspects of this are

1147
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: the medical exams and the interviews, and none of us,

1148
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: nobody ever gets to go into those interviews, and we

1149
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: certainly don't get into the doctor's office eether, So how

1150
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: what are your ways of deciphering what happens when those

1151
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: players come out of the those interviews and those medical

1152
00:54:54,200 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: exams and either plus or that affects their draft status. Right. Yeah,

1153
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: it's a great question because that is one of the

1154
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: hardest things as a member of the media, because we

1155
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: might see partial glimpse with certain players and not any

1156
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: glimpse at all with some players injuries. You know, I

1157
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: mentioned Leonard. I didn't know until after the draft that

1158
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: he was actually dealing with an injury when he ranted

1159
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: his prote So there's some stuff that slips through the

1160
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: cracks that could help us as evaluators. You know. For

1161
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: me personally, I feel like I have to beat in

1162
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: a place where I can be comfortable knowing that in

1163
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: my dog, in my position, I'm never gonna have the

1164
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: full perspective on every player. I'm just not able to

1165
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: do that. Now. Having said that, the combine is a

1166
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: great resource because it gives you the opportunity to go

1167
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: and talk to these players, as I did all this

1168
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: past week, get a feel for them, ask them questions,

1169
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: sometimes tough questions. See how they handle the media, See

1170
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: how they talk about themselves, about teammates, about their work ethic.

1171
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: I love to ask axes and those questions to players.

1172
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: Last year, I spent most of the day with wide

1173
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: receivers and tight ends, asking them about their favorite route

1174
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: or play and to break it down, describe it for me.

1175
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: Many of them wrote it down for me and actually

1176
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: sketched it out and told me everybody in the field does,

1177
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: and you can get some level of understanding of how

1178
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: what their football accused like. But still, you're right, it's

1179
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: a it's a fraction, it's a small piece of it.

1180
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: So for me, I don't really include a lot of

1181
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: the character stuff for medical stuff in my evaluations because

1182
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: I don't have a full picture of her for every player,

1183
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't be a fair scale as a result.

1184
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: So I kind of flag that stuff and just like, hey,

1185
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: I know there's injury concerns here. I don't know the

1186
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: extent or how significant they are, whether they can hurt

1187
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: them down the road. I know there's character stuff here.

1188
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how significant it is, or whether they'll

1189
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: never listen to a coach ever, or whether they'll never

1190
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: understand a football concept. I just know there's something here,

1191
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: so I flag it. But at that point that's really

1192
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: all I can do in my position. And if a

1193
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: player bust because of that, you know, at least I

1194
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: don't feel like it's because I didn't know how to

1195
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: scout them on the football field, but it was because

1196
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: of information that I really couldn't possibly have known in

1197
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: my position on the line with Jenn Ledyard, former Draft

1198
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: Network analyst, NFL Draft and Bucks reporter for the Puter Report.

1199
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: So apparently, John, the Bucks are like the Bills, kind

1200
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: of keeping an eye on wide receiver in this draft class.

1201
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: And you wrote a piece you highlight a couple of

1202
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: guys that reaching conclusions who might go third round or

1203
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: lower in this draft. Who you think the Bucks would

1204
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: be interested. And the funny thing is Steve and I

1205
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: like both of them a lot. Chase Claypool from Notre

1206
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: Dame who had the big run last week in the

1207
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: forty and Donovan People's Jones, a guy from Michigan who

1208
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: got our attention and other people's attention. What do you

1209
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: like about those two? And now you're certain they're going

1210
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: to be third round or lower? Yeah, well, I mean

1211
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: we're not totally certain at this point. You know, they

1212
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: could be I think with People's Jones and we're talking

1213
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: about one of the biggest recruits coming out of high

1214
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: school and just never lived up to it in college.

1215
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: Every year we felt like it might be his breakout year.

1216
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: But at the same time, and I mean, this is

1217
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: part of the deal with you is looking at the

1218
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: full picture, and jaf Patterson in that offense did not

1219
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: give People's Jones a great chance to consistently be successful.

1220
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: There are trades athletically that I think teams are really

1221
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: gonna like, the size teams are really gonna like, but

1222
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: it is really about cultivating their game at the next level.

1223
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: For him, I think that's the biggest concern is can

1224
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: you get him to round out his game as a

1225
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: route runner from releases a standpoint a little bit more

1226
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: so that he can be even more effective at the

1227
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: next level. I think that's the kind of development you're

1228
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: looking forth. People's Jones with the ceiling has always been

1229
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: there for him. It's about a team that believes they

1230
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: can kind of get him to the next level. The

1231
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: other thing to consider what Chase Claypole is there's and

1232
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: why I think he probably will be a third rounder.

1233
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: The tape doesn't always match up. This fast year was

1234
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: his breakout season. He does have the speed to win vertically,

1235
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: but he isn't a quick acceleration guy. He doesn't beat

1236
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: corners right off the line of scrimmage with his first

1237
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: two steps. Again, the long speed definitely there. You know,

1238
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: you can see it even as he's running, like the

1239
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: build up. As he gets going, he can separate vertically

1240
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: down the field after a while, and he makes contested catches.

1241
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: So I think those are the things that get you

1242
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: excited about Claypole as a route runner. He's not gonna

1243
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 1: lose you on in and outbreaking routes. I don't think

1244
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: there's been talk about a tight end conversion because of

1245
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: his size. You know, he told me that the combine

1246
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: he thinks is just a you know, ability to flex

1247
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: out and maybe fill some blocking responsibilities in the slot

1248
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: as a tight end, but probably never as an inline

1249
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, true inline hand down in the dirt. You know,

1250
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: fifty snaps a game type of players. So I think

1251
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: he's an interesting player in the in the league that's

1252
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: moving to bigger slot receivers. I think he could really

1253
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: help teams in that type of a role. He can

1254
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: help teams in the red zone. The other area that's

1255
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: interesting for play polls. He's one of the best gunners

1256
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: in college football, So he's gonna step in and help

1257
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: you on special teams right away. Really high character, hard

1258
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: working guy gets after it and absolutely can block, so

1259
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: he checks a lot of those peripheral boxes. That's going

1260
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: to allow him to get on the field pretty early

1261
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: as a rookie, even if his game isn't fully developed yet. Hey, Johnna,

1262
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: you in the camp that says you can't wait to

1263
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: the third round or later to get a quality maybe

1264
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: a starting wide receiver in this year's draft. Yeah, I

1265
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: think it's something that teams are gonna have to consider

1266
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: for sure, especially if they have a lot of needs.

1267
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: You know, my opinion has always been if you need

1268
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: a position and it's an important position, you know, not

1269
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: so not maybe running backs or tight ends or in

1270
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: tier offensive line, but if you need a position in

1271
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: the first round it's an important position and there's a

1272
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: premier player falling down the board at that position, take them.

1273
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: Because elite talent doesn't come around all the time, and

1274
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: you may get a guy to fill a role later

1275
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: in the draft, but it's not going to be the

1276
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: same type of impact that you could get from a

1277
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: top level guy. So if Henry Roggs is falling down

1278
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: the board or somebody like that for Jerry Judy for

1279
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: whatever reason. You know, that's when I start, you know,

1280
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: hitting the pause button and maybe thinking about taking a

1281
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But if you feel like the Tier one

1282
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: guys are gone and you're moving to tier two and

1283
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys in Tier two that

1284
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: you feel like you're graded pretty similarly, that's when I

1285
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: would look at it and I would say, Okay, what

1286
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: other positions are on the board. Is there a premier

1287
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: player in another position that we need, you know, or

1288
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: a best player available in another position that would maybe

1289
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: make more of an impact for our football team where

1290
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: me bore valuable to our football team if we selected

1291
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: him here. So there's always context that's needed. But I

1292
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: think you're right. Because the receiver class is so good

1293
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of the top guys may be gone

1294
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: by the time the Bills were to pick, I think

1295
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: it may be something that they have to consider, is

1296
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: that we could probably come back and hit receiver a

1297
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: couple a couple other times in this draft and feel

1298
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: pretty good about our room, especially because Cool Beasley and

1299
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: John Brown are two really good players. And so you're

1300
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: not looking necessarily, you know, for a guy to start

1301
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: your receiving corps, you're looking for a guy to kind

1302
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: of complete it. So I think because of that, yeah,

1303
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to find a guy on day

1304
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: two if that's what they want. Well, you bring me

1305
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: to a good question. You know, the wide receiver position

1306
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: group of the combine, and then this draft is pretty deep.

1307
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: What are the most shallow positions in this combine? And

1308
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: where do you If you're gonna get a guy that's

1309
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: going to be a difference maker at some position, you

1310
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: gotta get them early because they just don't go that deep.

1311
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: Is there one or two, maybe three position groups that

1312
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: maybe say listen, if you're gonna get a guy, you

1313
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: gotta get him high. Yeah. I think interior defensive line

1314
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: is one of those spots. I mean, Derek Brown didn't

1315
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: have a great combine, but I still think his tape

1316
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: is really good. So you're going to see him go

1317
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: off the board in the top fifteen twenty picks. Javon

1318
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: kin Law is an absolute freak. He could be the

1319
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: first interior defensive lineman off wouldn't surprise me at all.

1320
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: But after those two guys, it really falls off. I mean,

1321
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Elliott, you know, Ross Blacklock. Those are

1322
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: some of the guys that get talked about in the

1323
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: next tier, but there were kind of concerns with them

1324
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: on tape, I felt like, and then I didn't think

1325
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: they lit up the call. They all ran great forties,

1326
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: but you know, guys like Matt a Week and Blacklock

1327
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: ended up being only in the two nineties range. And

1328
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: so are they gonna need to balk up? If so,

1329
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: do they lose some of the quickness didn't really test

1330
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: grate and the agilities for black Clock Gallimore Nevil Gallimore

1331
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma also struggled in the agilities and he has

1332
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: really inconsistent tape. So it is hard to say there's

1333
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: definite number three interior defensive lineman in this class. Marlon Davidson.

1334
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: Maybe one didn't have a great call, I didn't do

1335
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: a lot, but has the mentality in the power and

1336
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: some of the pass rush moves that I think you want.

1337
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: So he may end up being the third guy. But

1338
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: that's not a very deep group. So I would think

1339
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: about taking one early if he's on the board, and

1340
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: Brown or kin Law if you really need the position.

1341
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: The other group was edge defender. After Chase Young, you

1342
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: have some athletic guys who need a little bit of development,

1343
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: and a Calaban Jason josh Uch from Michigan, maybe even

1344
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: a Julian Akuara from Notre Dame, although he showed less

1345
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: on tape than those first two guys. Though that the

1346
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: kind of have that athletic tier of guys that need

1347
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: some work, and then a Terrell Lewis that needs some

1348
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: work and has some medical concerns. And then you have

1349
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: guys like Ajampinessa and your tour gross Matos, who a

1350
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: lot of people think are a little bit more developed.

1351
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: But the athletic upside, at least with Epinessa, is really lacking.

1352
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: He struggled during the combine, ran over five seconds in

1353
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: the forty. Not many good heade defenders in the NFL

1354
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: that have gone on that have run slower than that

1355
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: and gone on to really good career. So you worry

1356
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: about the twitch with him, You worry about the band

1357
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: with him. The ability to corner at the next level

1358
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: wears his full time position at the next level. I

1359
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: think Epines is a guy that you'll see being false

1360
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: start falling out of first round mocks, even though He's

1361
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: been commonly thought of as a top ten type of prospect,

1362
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: top fifteen type of prospect. I just think his tape

1363
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: as too many athletic concerns, and that really athleticism really

1364
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,479
Speaker 1: matters an edge defender in the NFL. So I think

1365
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's going to be

1366
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: a guy that changes some team's minds if they weren't already,

1367
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit hesitant because of his tape.

1368
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: And John, I want to get you back to one

1369
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, Neville Gallimore, who got some attention in these parties.

1370
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: He went to high school I guess a high school

1371
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: right down the road and seeing Captain's Ontario Canadian native.

1372
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: But you point out he basically bombed the agility drills

1373
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: right three cone and shuttle. He did so poorly that

1374
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: he might have ruined his chances of being a hydrat pick.

1375
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: Huh yeah. I mean it's definitely something to take into consideration.

1376
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: You know. I think athleticism really matters for smaller defensive tackles,

1377
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, sub three ten probably, and so I think

1378
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: it really does matter for him. He does have great speed,

1379
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and he is a quick getoff too, but

1380
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: it's inconsistent on tape. He doesn't always get off the

1381
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: ball with good timing. His whole game on tape is

1382
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 1: just kind of out of control, crazy energy and voter

1383
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: string at times. But he misses with his hands. He

1384
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: falls over, and he fell over I think once maybe

1385
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: twice during drills to him, and he's just a little

1386
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: bit out of control and he doesn't turn very well.

1387
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: So I think you're seeing some of the tightness in

1388
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: his hips and ankles when those agility results come out.

1389
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: Those things are concerning. You can't be on the ground

1390
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL and expect playing time. You just can't be.

1391
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: And it happens too much on tape for him. So

1392
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: he is a real boomer boss prospect. He's been mocked

1393
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: in the first round. Some people don't have him the

1394
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: top one hundred, so opinions on him are really all

1395
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: over the place. There is athleticism and explosiveness there, but

1396
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: it definitely needs some cultivating. How does a player leave

1397
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: the combine with more questions about him than he came

1398
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: in with? Is there a way to do that? It

1399
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: seems like some of these guys raise some eyebrows in

1400
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: some ways, but also like, you know, how they how

1401
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: do they come out with more questions than they went into.

1402
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: I think the interview process is a big part of that.

1403
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: You know, team's only got forty five interviews this year

1404
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: as opposed to sixty, and those interviews were eighteen minutes

1405
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: long this year, so couple more minutes, but still, I

1406
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: mean you're trying to get a feel for personality, football access,

1407
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: and oo's life priorities. You know, they're waiting room and

1408
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: conditioning and all that to their work ethic in college,

1409
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: how they felt about their college coaches. So in that

1410
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: little bit of time, teams may not feel like they

1411
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: got to everything that they wanted to get to, so

1412
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: they may have more questions as a result of something

1413
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 1: like that. So I think the interview process is probably

1414
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. You know, most of the athletic testing.

1415
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: If a player's done it, they feel like they have

1416
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of where that player is athletically,

1417
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: and they probably feel like they have a pretty good

1418
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: idea of where their medicals are at after their doctors

1419
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: look at them. Maybe they need to come back for

1420
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: RECHEXO when they do the medical reachex But the biggest

1421
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: thing is the interviews. You know if they maybe that

1422
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: they'd ever got to a player, the player didn't fit

1423
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: into their forty five formal interviews that they had, or

1424
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: maybe they feel like they didn't have enough time with

1425
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: the player to get to everything. And that's where the

1426
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: visits will come in handy. When if a team is

1427
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: interested in a player but still has some lingering questions,

1428
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: those visits are going to come in really handy. When

1429
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: they get to sit down the player for a full day,

1430
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: ask him a lot more, watch a lot more tapecy

1431
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: and work out all those kind of things. They're gonna

1432
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: be able to run him through a lot of what

1433
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: they think as valuable as a team as opposed to

1434
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: following the structure of the combine that's kind of already

1435
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: set in place. Talking about the combine with NFL Draft

1436
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: analyst John Edward Ledyard, Hey, John, Steve and I were

1437
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: raving about Isaiah Thomas from Clemson, the linebacker a little

1438
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: bit earlier in our show today Simmons Isaiah Simmons. Yeah,

1439
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: what's your take on Isaiah Simmons? What did you think

1440
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: of his weekend? Man? I mean, he is he is

1441
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: a fun player to watch, He's a fun player to evaluate.

1442
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: I've kind of whispered this over the past few months,

1443
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: and now I'm kind of saying it forcefully because I

1444
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: think he's proven that he's that kind of an athlete.

1445
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure that he's not a safety at

1446
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: the next level, and not that he wouldn't need some

1447
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: development at that type of a role, you know. And

1448
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: he may only play free safety situation, but he played

1449
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,479
Speaker 1: there Clemson, he played in the slot, he played deep

1450
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: as a single high safety. He certainly has the speed,

1451
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: the athleticism, the range, the physicality. He take a while

1452
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: for instincts to kind of show themselves at that position

1453
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: for him if he plays there on a regular basis.

1454
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: But more than anything, I think he's gonna cover guys

1455
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: in the slot. He needs man coverage, some workman coverage

1456
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: wise in terms of his technique, I think, but all

1457
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: the ability in the world to help your defense on

1458
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: many levels. And really, if you're just playing him at

1459
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: one singular position, I would say that you know, he

1460
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: probably is a guy that's going to it's not gonna

1461
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: maybe meet your expectations, but moving him around and ask

1462
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: him to do a ton of different things, it's probably

1463
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: the best way to get a lot out of him,

1464
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: So it's going to take a creative defensive coordina. You

1465
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: are not gonna want they just plug this guy in

1466
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: at mic linebacker or anything like that. You're gonna want

1467
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: somebody who knows how to use him. It isn't afraid

1468
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: to move around within the context of a game plan.

1469
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: So that will be his best fit at the next level.

1470
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: So it'll be fascinating to see where he got. Yeah,

1471
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: that's really what I was saying. I mean, the Bills,

1472
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: I guess needed edge rusher. I don't know if Simmons

1473
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: fits that role. I mean he could probably, but there's

1474
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: other roles he can do maybe better. Huh right, Yeah,

1475
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a true edge defender for sure.

1476
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: He did rush off the edge situationally for Clemson, which

1477
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: is a great tool to have in the bag, but

1478
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: more than anything, he rushed up the A gaps from

1479
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: an off ball Ligneman or sugar in the A gaps

1480
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: in those types of scenarios, not at really a true

1481
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: edge pass rusher for sure. His best plays are going

1482
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: to be able to come into space, which is why

1483
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: I kind of like him at safety because I think

1484
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: he'll be operating in space a little bit more. He's

1485
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: not a great take on guy, you know, in terms

1486
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: of taking on blocks. That's okay for linebackers today. You

1487
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: gotta beat guys with instincts, with speed, with quickness, and

1488
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: he has those kind of things. So I think he's

1489
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: gonna be better off in a linebacker safety versatile type

1490
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: of role. But I would selfishly kind of love to

1491
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: see what he could do as a deep free safety,

1492
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: just because I feel like there's a lot of athleticism

1493
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: and range there that could be effective for a team.

1494
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: Are there any offensive lineman I'm look thinking about Tristan Worth's,

1495
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,959
Speaker 1: the tackle out of Iowa. Are there any other offensive

1496
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: lineman as rookies who you think could come in, plug

1497
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: him in and forget about him for ten years. They're

1498
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl kind of thing, a guy, a difference

1499
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: maker who's an NFL starter right now. Yeah. I think

1500
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: jedjur Quills from Alabama is the best offensive tackle in

1501
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: this class. I mean, I think his feet are unbelievable.

1502
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: He's got the power that you won he could probably

1503
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: play inside or outside, just played right tackle at Alabama.

1504
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: Was dominant there against the best level of competition too.

1505
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: That's the key thing is that for a lot of

1506
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: these tackles. You know, as much as I love McKay Beckton,

1507
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: I love Josh Jones, the big question is can they

1508
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: do it against better competition, and that can they do it?

1509
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: And can they do it when they're asked to pass

1510
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: set all the time? You know, Jones didn't really face

1511
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: a lot of dominant pass rushers in Beckton only had

1512
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 1: like seventy some true pass sets all year Pro football focus.

1513
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: So he is going to be in an NFL that

1514
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: throws the ball all the time, and now he's got

1515
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: a pass set on the regular, and so it's gonna

1516
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: be somewhat of an adjustment. I still believe in both

1517
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: of those guys. I think they're both going to be

1518
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: impact to offensive tackles in the NFL. But to me,

1519
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: Wills his battle tests that he's got versatile with his

1520
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: pass sets. He faced a lot of the best rushers

1521
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: in the country. He you know, I would think it

1522
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: was Caleb and Chasing that told me that the combine,

1523
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: you just cannot beat him with the same move twice.

1524
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: Once he sees it, he knows how to stop it,

1525
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: and that's it. You've got to go to something else.

1526
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 1: So you don't hear that about and about a college

1527
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: offensive tackles that often. The NFL is usually a big

1528
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: jump for offensive tackles. All of these guys will have

1529
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: some level of adjustment, But to me, Wills is the

1530
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: safest bet to be a dominant player at offensive tackle

1531
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL. John Ledyard our guest who covers the

1532
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the Pewter Report, and we gotta

1533
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: get this in for you, John, I can't figure out

1534
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: what Bruce Harings is doing. He's kind of quoit about

1535
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston and his future with the Bucks. Isn't He's

1536
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: not giving out any clues He's given out on hundreds

1537
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 1: of clues actually about Winston. What do he's like do? Right? Yeah?

1538
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: And I honestly, I don't know that the Bucks fully

1539
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: know yet, you know, I don't think he's being necessarily dishonest,

1540
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: you know, I do think at this point in time,

1541
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: you know, based on things that we've learned a Pewter Report,

1542
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: you know, and we've written about, I don't know that

1543
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: the Buck's planned to use the franchise tag on James.

1544
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: So it could very well be a situation where they're

1545
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: planning to let Jamis Winston hit the market, see what's

1546
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: out there. They obviously I don't think the market is

1547
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: going to be super robust for him. We'll see if

1548
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: they're right or not. I kind of think that with

1549
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: today's arrow with quarterback, someone's going to want to take

1550
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: a chance on the talent, especially considering he did well,

1551
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, lead a league in passing last season. I

1552
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 1: know the mistakes are there, are always there, but he

1553
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: gives your team a chance because he can also make

1554
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: place that other quarterbacks can't. So I mean there's the

1555
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: dichotomy of Winston will probably always be there and the

1556
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: challenge of evaluating him will probably always be there. But

1557
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: I do think arians wants to see what else is

1558
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: out there. He's been clear about that. That includes Tom Brady,

1559
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: that includes Philip Rivers. Don't know whether he'll get either

1560
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: get either to bite on coming to Tampa. Don't really

1561
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 1: see it happening with Brady, think it's a possibility. With Rivers.

1562
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: We'll have to see what he thinks of some of

1563
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: his other options out there. But I think the Bucks

1564
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: are kind of willing to look at that veteran quarterback

1565
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: route rather than tag Jamison, give him another year to develop.

1566
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: Now Jamis good at the market, and the Bucks could say,

1567
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 1: you know what, here's our offer and it may be

1568
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: the best offer out there, and Jamis may think it's,

1569
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, the best offer, your best chance. He has

1570
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: abiance successful at the next level, and this really is

1571
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: a great offense for him if he can, ever, you know,

1572
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: curb some of the mistakes. But I think that the Bucks, ye,

1573
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: at this point, they are a little bit tired of

1574
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: the endless kind of shake your head games from Jameis Winston,

1575
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: and so I think they're they're in that point where

1576
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: they're wondering if this is really gonna work with Winston

1577
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: and if they're not better off kind of moving on

1578
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: to another direction talking about shake your head games. Yeah,

1579
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: talking I watched before the Bills played the Texans in

1580
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I watched the Houston Tampa Bay game late

1581
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: in the year. I couldn't believe that game. It wasn't

1582
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: even like watching the NFL the stuff that was going on.

1583
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: There a lot of it from Jamis. Yeah, Jamis threw

1584
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: a pick six on his first attempt. Yeah, I mean

1585
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: he did. He threw a pick six on his first

1586
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: drive or an interception on his first drive, I think

1587
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: a handful of times throughout the season. So these are

1588
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: scripted plays, you know, this is simple stuff, and he's

1589
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: still making those kind of mistakes. And he had a

1590
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: ton of interceptions that were dropped too, So it is

1591
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: something you have to wonder if you'll ever get away

1592
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: from at this point in his career. What do you think?

1593
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: Last question for me, how do you think the Dominoes

1594
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: are going to follow the quarterback position? Brady Philip Rivers,

1595
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, Teddy Bridgewater, Ryan Tannehill, Andy Dalton is now

1596
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: in the conversation. How do you think those are gonna fall? Yeah,

1597
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: hard to say for sure. I think Tannahill will be

1598
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: back in Tennessee. Everybody I've talked to that's in the

1599
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: know there kind of feels pretty good about where both

1600
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: sides are at and how both sides see the situation.

1601
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: I am not sure about Brady. For a while I

1602
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: said Brady was definitely going back to New England coming

1603
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: out of Combine Week and the things you're here there,

1604
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's set in stone. I don't know

1605
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: that it's a certainty that he's gone either summer reporting

1606
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: or that it's highly unlikely, but I would say that

1607
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: it's definitely up in the air at this point in time.

1608
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: You know, he I think honestly part of it. Maybe

1609
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: he just wants a new challenge, you know, he wants

1610
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: to see for himself if he can do this thing

1611
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: without Belichick. That's how he's wired. So that could be

1612
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: one that really chakes things up. Obviously, I think Rivers

1613
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: will choose Indianapolis if I had to guess, But I

1614
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: I think that the Bucks are on stradar too, and

1615
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: I know Washington's gonna come call, and it sounds like

1616
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: based on reports, and that's interesting because there's some talent

1617
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 1: there if Trent Williams, especially in order to stick around.

1618
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: And riveris a coach the players have really liked. So

1619
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 1: we'll kind of see how all of that unfolds. You know,

1620
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: I think, you know, even Cam Newton, Derek Carr, I

1621
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: think his name was being kind of whispered about this

1622
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: past week as the Raiders potentially they really would like

1623
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. That's I don't know if that's even a secret.

1624
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: At this point, they'd probably be willing to do just

1625
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: about anything for Tom Brady and putting seats in the

1626
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: or butts and seats in Las Vegas. So I think

1627
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: that you could see a situation where, you know, Derek

1628
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: Carr would be on the move just because the Raiders

1629
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: aren't sure that he has that in factor they're looking

1630
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: for at the quarterback position. So we could see even

1631
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: more names be added to this mix, and it could

1632
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: get and it could turn into a very eventful off season,

1633
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: and it will at the quarterbacks. Yeah, Brady's holding everybody hospital. Yeah,

1634
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: Brady and the Patriots. Hey, jam thanks for this great talk.

1635
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean, thank you very much. Hey, absolutely, guys, thanks

1636
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: so much for having me. I appreciate it. Trying to

1637
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: let your former draft network analysts NFL Draft and bucks

1638
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: reporter for the Pewter Report on the line with us

1639
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: Brady selling everybody hostage. Steve, let's go our buddy, Albert

1640
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: Breer wrote a great pieces weekly Monday Morning piece, and

1641
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: he said he thinks that Brady needs to sit down

1642
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick this week, if not sooner, and figure

1643
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: out exactly what they're doing. And they're holding the league

1644
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: hostage right now. I guess they're okay to do that.

1645
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: They certainly within their right, but nobody will make a

1646
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: can make another move until Brady decides what he's doing. Right,

1647
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: it sounds like, well, it sounds like Brady's gonna wait

1648
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: until free agency hits. He's gonna see what's out there.

1649
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: And you know, for another couple of weeks we'll be

1650
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: going through this. And there's all the stuff about the

1651
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: video of him and Julian Edelman sitting at the Syracuse

1652
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: game and they were caught facetiming with Mike Vrabel and

1653
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: I had this conversation, Murph. I'm telling you it would

1654
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 1: be as a former player, it would be so fun

1655
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: to play on the team with one of your old

1656
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: teammates as head coach. And I think Tom Brady sees

1657
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: Vrabel down there, and I think, how fun would that be.

1658
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: Tho's the guys who probably had some social moments, you know,

1659
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: Rabo Cuck touchdown passes from right linebacker. That's pretty intriguing

1660
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: to me, and it's pretty interesting dynamic. But I think

1661
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: we're not gonna find anything out for another couple of weeks. Hey,

1662
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: John Ledyard said something about the Bills receiving situations that

1663
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk to talk about when we come back,

1664
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: and we're asking you the question, which position should the

1665
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: Bill's value in free agency over the draft? What do

1666
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: you think? Phone nights open when we return eight oh

1667
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: three five fifty toll free one eight eight eight five

1668
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. We'll take calls. We'll take your

1669
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: tweets for the tweet sheet. You can vote in our

1670
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: Twitter poll. It's One Bill's Live, presented by Kalada Health

1671
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This is Buffalo

1672
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Welcome back One Bill's Live. John Murphy and

1673
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. We've got the I think we got Lorenzo

1674
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: Alexander right, is he coming on? That's the plan, that's

1675
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: the plank. Here's the thing though, This CBA thing's coming down,

1676
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:08,520
Speaker 1: and Lorenzo's busy, and yeah, it forgets his old friends.

1677
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: John Ledyard, we just said on the show, and I

1678
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 1: want to get back to our overall conversation, which position

1679
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: the bill should value more in free agency as opposed

1680
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: to the draft. We'll get to that in a second,

1681
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: and you can ring you something now. We'll get you

1682
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: on the line. We've got the lines wide open phone

1683
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 1: lines eight three fifty toll free one eight eight by

1684
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. Ledyard said something on the topic

1685
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: of receivers for the Bills, which I really think resonated

1686
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: and I do have a hang up about calling, you know,

1687
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: with anybody in number one wide receiver, and there are

1688
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: people say, well, the Bills need a number one wide receiver,

1689
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: they need a number one guy. Here's how let Ledyard

1690
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: phrase it. I think it was exquisite. Ledyard said, the

1691
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: Bills are not looking for a guy to start the

1692
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps. They're looking for a guy to finish it. Right,

1693
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: John Brown, Cole Beasley are there. They're not going anywhere,

1694
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: and said I didn't say it as beautifully as he said.

1695
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: All right, they're not looking for the guy to start

1696
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: building a wide receiver cords. They're looking to the last piece.

1697
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: But he can line up there every week and sit

1698
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: a six different catch. Yes, yes, they're not looking for

1699
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: a number one. They're looking for the number whatever who

1700
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: finishes off the group at wide receiver. I think that's

1701
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: a really good way to think of it. Really. I

1702
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: think it was really they don't need a number one,

1703
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: but they need a guy that will line up there

1704
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: every week instead of having six guys rotate through sixteen weeks.

1705
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what a number one is I don't

1706
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: know if anyone can define a number one. Yeah, the

1707
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: number I'll tell you who your number one is the

1708
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: guy who has the best stats at the end of

1709
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: the year. That's the guy who the quarterback likes. That's

1710
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: the guy who's that whatever you name it. And you

1711
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: don't know who that is until the end of the year.

1712
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: So and if so, that's I don't know, that's That's

1713
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: the way I feel about it. I'm with him one

1714
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: hundred percent. They're looking for a guy who's good enough

1715
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: to line up there every week and win some matchups

1716
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: and when you're playing numb. Brown had five more catches

1717
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: than Colby's lead this year, right, So is he a

1718
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: number one? Is John Brown number one? More? Totally with you,

1719
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: There's not that much difference. But here's the thing. They

1720
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: need a guy who win. Like for instance, Duke Williams

1721
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: earned his way onto the field and got on in

1722
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: there for the playoff game, the wildcard playoff game against

1723
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans, and the Texans, to their credit, said listen,

1724
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: John Brown and Cole Beasley are good. They may beat

1725
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: us if you can throw it to Duke Williams and

1726
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: he beats us. God, bress you, God, bless you, bless you,

1727
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, bless your heart. Well, they target him ten times,

1728
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: so Josh Allen saw it. The offensive coordinator in Brian

1729
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: day Boles saw it. They're letting us throw it to

1730
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: Duke Williams today. Let's do it to throw it at

1731
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 1: him and Duke only caught five of the targets. They

1732
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: end up getting it to overtime, so it was almost enough.

1733
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: But you know they need a guy who will be

1734
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: enough and that's what they're trying to get to. Hey,

1735
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: our Twitter poll today which position? What position should the

1736
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: Bills value in free agency over the drafted? The combine

1737
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: is over. You had to look at the wide receiver prospects.

1738
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: Should they go to wide receivers now? Should they go

1739
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: somewhere else? Got seven hundred fifty votes in on Twitter.

1740
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: Which position to the Bills value and free agency? Thirty

1741
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: six percent of you say edge rusher and you heard

1742
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: John Ledgard talk about the scarcity of prospects at edge rusher.

1743
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: Should they look at offensive line? Thirty four percent of

1744
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: you think they should the value offensive lineman in free

1745
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: agency as opposed to the draft. Twenty five percent say

1746
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: wide receiver should be the value spot five percent, have

1747
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: something else in mind? Eight oh three oh five fifty

1748
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

1749
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: That's our Twitter pol, that's our question. We'll deal with

1750
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: whatever you want to deal with today on the show.

1751
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: You can talk about anything you'd like. We'll go to

1752
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 1: the Twitter pol now brought or the tweet sheet brought

1753
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of

1754
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. From the Bassman on Twitter, which position

1755
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: should the Bills value? And free agency? The bass Man says,

1756
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: I voted wide receiver, but not interested in any of

1757
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: the free agents this year. I vote they trade for

1758
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: one of them next year's wide receiving free agents and

1759
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: work out a deal with them from here. Okay, So

1760
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 1: trade for a wide receiver, get a guy that I like,

1761
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean, get a guy that's proven, that can help

1762
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: and with a specific skill set that you may be

1763
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: more familiar with. And these guys in the draft and

1764
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: more confident in than these guys in the draft, Well,

1765
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: who's it going to be? You know? And I don't

1766
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: even know what that list is, you know, And not

1767
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: that the Bills don't, they probably do and they probably

1768
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: have explored some trades. But you know, then you're yeah,

1769
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. It depends on how expensive. If you

1770
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,839
Speaker 1: can get a great guy for the right price, Okay,

1771
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: I'm up for anything. I'm trying to think. Kelvin Benjamin

1772
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: had more than one year left on his contract when

1773
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: the Bills traded for him. Right, that did not work out,

1774
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: but he did have more than one Right, he finished

1775
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: that year with the Bills and then started the second year,

1776
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: and neither one he was much of a factor. I

1777
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess if you can. I guess it's

1778
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: hard to say yes or no, bass Man, because they

1779
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: don't know who we're talking about. But I get your point,

1780
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I agree or disagree. One

1781
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: more from NICKI avoid wide receivers in free agency. He

1782
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: says few wide receivers stand out those that two will

1783
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: be too expensive, and the draft is loaded with receivers. Anyway,

1784
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: we can wait until rounds two and three to get

1785
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: a good wide receiver. So I would target either and

1786
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: add your offensive lineman and free agency and try to

1787
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: draft the other one in round one. Okay, that's logical thinking.

1788
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. There's only one tweet on

1789
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: the whole sheet that I don't agree with. It's the

1790
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: last one from Paul go after a wide receiver and

1791
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: free agency. Very seldom does a rookie wide receiver make

1792
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: an immediate impact. I completely disagree with that, not that

1793
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 1: they don't make an immediate impact. We don't need the

1794
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: guy to carry the offense. You just need a guy

1795
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: to line up and this draft your neck deep in them.

1796
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: Get one, Get one in the second round, third round,

1797
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: what at first round? I don't care, but you need

1798
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: to get a guy there. And whether he's a rookie

1799
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: and you got a bunch of them, one of these

1800
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: receivers who is good enough to get on the field

1801
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: and stay on the field for the Bills is gonna

1802
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: be there at twenty two, and at fifty four, and

1803
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: maybe even at eighty six. Wherever that last that third

1804
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: pick is, you're gonna be able to get one of

1805
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: those guys who can be good enough to get on

1806
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: the field and stay on the field. Get one, so

1807
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: they don't because you don't need the guy to come

1808
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 1: in and catch one hundred and ten balls, and for

1809
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred you'd like him too, but you don't need

1810
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: him to just get on the field and be the

1811
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: guy that stays on the field for every snap of

1812
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: the offense. Then you can feel good about it because

1813
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: that's easily possible in this draft. And as with a

1814
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: rookie wide receiver, don't need a guy to start your

1815
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver class or you need a guy to finish it.

1816
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: You wouldn't give me the credit though, like you didn't

1817
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: come close to that. I know John Ledyard did. He

1818
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: nailed it. I wrote it down. That was that good?

1819
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: All right? We got a break coming up. We'll take

1820
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: some phone calls when we return. One Bills Live presented

1821
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: by Kalidah Health from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park.

1822
01:24:49,960 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. One of these days, Steve,

1823
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: one of these days. What between now and March, Well,

1824
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: in two weeks, we're gonna have a Tom Brady Show

1825
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: because eventually, as I said to John Ledyard earlier this hour,

1826
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: by Brady's position, I'm not gonna say it, we'll have

1827
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: a resolution of his future. We may, but we're gonna

1828
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: have at least an indication of what his plan is,

1829
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: whether he stays with the Patriots or goes he go.

1830
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: If he stays with the Patriots, all right, at least

1831
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: it gives everybody else the green light to make your move.

1832
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, you know all of them, Mr Dalton and Dalton,

1833
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, go ahead, make your move now. If he

1834
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: puts himself on the market two weeks from tomorrow, things

1835
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: that we get really crazy. But I do think, and

1836
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: I don't blame him, he can do what he wants.

1837
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: I do think he is holding up a progress signed

1838
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: quarterback moves this offseason. Pretty yeah. I mean, I guess

1839
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: it's his progative. Go ahead, sure, and he's hitting it.

1840
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: I think at a really perfect time where you've got

1841
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: two teams that are a little bit struggling, that are

1842
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 1: moving into new stadiums and want to sell tickets, he's probably,

1843
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: if not unanimously, he's certainly in the conversation for the

1844
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: biggest ticket draw in the league at this point right,

1845
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: particularly if he changes teams, so there's going to be

1846
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: that market out there. I don't think he has to

1847
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: worry about what other players are doing at their position.

1848
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he don't have to worry about Philip Rivers

1849
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: or any of that stuff. Those guys are gonna wait

1850
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: till free agency too. Although Philip Rivers is already a

1851
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: free agent. He's been released, has he not? Yeah, so

1852
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,879
Speaker 1: he's already a free agent. Teams can talk to him freely.

1853
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: But here's the think about this, and this is this

1854
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: is what really got me going today, Murph, you can

1855
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: talk to him. I noboy's gonna make a move until

1856
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: by Tom Brady played for twenty years in New England

1857
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: and it always seems like that place is a grist mill, right,

1858
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's happy. It's like gray and it's like,

1859
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, the poorhouse kind of people are grinding it

1860
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: away and nobody's having any fun. Listen, it's a lot

1861
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: of fun to win, a lot of fun to win,

1862
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: and winning cures a lot of heartache that you may

1863
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: feel with a bad locker room or a tough season

1864
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: or whatever, or not playing or what have what have you.

1865
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: Winning cures a lot of that and New England has

1866
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: done an awful lot of that over the years. They

1867
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: won twelve games this year. But to get you get

1868
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: the feeling, Tom Brady has won so much that he's like,

1869
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 1: maybe it's not that much fun for him anymore, particularly

1870
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: when Bill Belichick is pounding on his head every Monday,

1871
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: starting with him at the film critique and grinding away

1872
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: at tom Brady's performance over the weekend, and then he

1873
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 1: gets down to the rest of the guys and tom

1874
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Brady sitting there gonna listen, I got I'm throwing to

1875
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: nobody over here. You know whatever, It's probably not that

1876
01:27:57,880 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: much fun, It's what I'm saying. So he gets to

1877
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: Chance and he's got his one of his best bros

1878
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: who's head coach of another team in Tennessee Titans, and

1879
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel. How fun does it sound like to have

1880
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: like a guy like Vrabel go, hey, bro, you come

1881
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: down here and you play for us. I'll get my

1882
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: owner to commit to you for two years, give you

1883
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: a guaranteed, whatever, whatever. We'll just come down. We'll win.

1884
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,959
Speaker 1: We're gonna win. We beat your team this year. Let's

1885
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 1: we can keep this going if we get you, We'll

1886
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: sign this guy without that, and he goes, We'll make

1887
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: It'll be a blast you have here. Come down here

1888
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: for a couple of Nashville is awesome. We'll have some

1889
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 1: fun and it'll be fun to win. We can win

1890
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: and you'll have fun doing it. How about it for

1891
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: a guy like I speaking to from my point of

1892
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 1: view as a foreign player. To say, for instance, if

1893
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 1: I was still playing at it then Frank Reich was

1894
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Innniapolis Colts. He said, bro,

1895
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: come on, man, that's hard to say no to. That's

1896
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: really hard to say no to because it sounds like

1897
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: a b It sounds like a barrel of laughs. You know, yeah,

1898
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: I know so, and I know I've always said this.

1899
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: He's when push comes to shove, he's gonna have a

1900
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: hard time leave in New England. I still believe that's true.

1901
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: But man, oh man, that's a scenario that man seems

1902
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: to me pretty enticing. Albert Breer wrote about this and

1903
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: his post up today. He said the last negotiation was

1904
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 1: important between the Patriots and Brady. A couple of years ago,

1905
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: Brady was hoping This is Albert Breer writing, Brady was

1906
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 1: hoping for a deal that would ensure his place for

1907
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots for a couple more seasons. That did not happen, which,

1908
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: according to Albert Brier, raises his price tech. Brady unhappy

1909
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: that he didn't get an extended deal with New England,

1910
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: and Breer says, it's it's really not the money. It's

1911
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: the term of the deal. That is important to Tom

1912
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: Brady right now. The other thing, Albert Breer writes as

1913
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: soon as I get it here, which was important I think,

1914
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: is that Tom Brady and Bill Battlechick need to talk.

1915
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: He thought it might even go on this weekend. They didn't.

1916
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: As far as he knows, they haven't talk yet, but

1917
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: he said what's got to happen is Brady's got to

1918
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: sit down with Belichick's and here's what he says. My

1919
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: understanding is that Brady is open to returning to the

1920
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: Patriots under certain terms. Likewise, I've heard Belichick is open

1921
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: to bringing him back under certain terms. They have to

1922
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: sit down discuss those terms. What do you need, you know,

1923
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: Tom Brady for you to come back to the Patriots?

1924
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: Not talking about money. Maybe it is more than a

1925
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 1: one year deal. Are we willing to do that? We

1926
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: don't know. What do you need, Bill Belichick to bring

1927
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: Tom Brady back? You know, though, they have to have

1928
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: that discussion. They got to get moving on it. Their

1929
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 1: speculation they may be waiting for the approval of the CBA,

1930
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: which should come soon. We'll get an idea from Lorenzo

1931
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 1: Alexander coming up a minute about that. But boy, everything

1932
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: is on hold around the whole league. I think about

1933
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 1: Brady making his move whatever, I think it's also on

1934
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 1: hole because of the CBA. Yeah, that's had a chilling

1935
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: effect on negotiations and long term deals. But I if

1936
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: it's not money in New England, if it's a length

1937
01:30:55,560 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: of the deal, give him what he wants, give him

1938
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: a five year deal. It's got to be about more

1939
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: than money. Otherwise the Patriots say, yeah, here's a five

1940
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: year deal and here are the terms. Let's go, and

1941
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: they can cut him tomorrow. They don't have to, they

1942
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: don't have to pay that. It's got to be about

1943
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: more than just a term, because otherwise the Patriots say, yeah,

1944
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: I'll sell you to a twenty year deal, because they would,

1945
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:20,719
Speaker 1: and they'd cut him. I think Brady wants an honest

1946
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: assessment of how long you're going to have him as

1947
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: a year starter. When he talks to the Patriots. You

1948
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: can make the deal, say five years, ten years, whatever

1949
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: you want the deal to say. But I think he

1950
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 1: wants an honest assessment from the place at which he's

1951
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: won six Super Bowls. Look at how long am I

1952
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: good to be the starter here? Two more years? No,

1953
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: you're not going to commit to two years and I'd

1954
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: like to move on. Please, don't you think that's what

1955
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: it comes down to. Maybe regardless of what the kind

1956
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 1: of maybe three, he's forty two, he wants to play

1957
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 1: at least forty five. Three wants three year deal. Maybe

1958
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots like going, there's no way, and he goes, well,

1959
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 1: we'll give you what couldn't they You would think, listen,

1960
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: we'll give you a twenty five million, twenty million and

1961
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 1: fifteen million for a three year deal and then get

1962
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: him at a bargain. You know, I get another way.

1963
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 1: Why are they going to commit to him for three years?

1964
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 1: That's the question. Well, if they commit to him for

1965
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,799
Speaker 1: three years, I got to remind Let me just remind

1966
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: everybody here, it ain't no commitment. Well, and if I'm Brady,

1967
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't do it for me, I will say yeah,

1968
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: say yes. And then when he gets there and say, well,

1969
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 1: we thought you so, they would lie to him. Yeah,

1970
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: you thought you were going to play better. We're out,

1971
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: all right. I just think Brady is smart enough to

1972
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: know that they can do that, They can do a

1973
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,719
Speaker 1: contract like that, and I just don't think he's chasing

1974
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: money I think he's chasing the time. He's chasing the

1975
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: amount of time he wants to work and if he

1976
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: wants an honest assessment of how long he'd be New

1977
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: England starter or Tennessee's for that matter, wherever he goes.

1978
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: So you're telling me the team that will cheat, but

1979
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: they won't lie. They won't lie. Whatever you were talking

1980
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: about blowing up footballs and the shooting video from the

1981
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: press box, that's got I mean, come on, he's won

1982
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: six Super Bowls. He's their all time player. I think

1983
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: for him to ask them to be honest with him

1984
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: is not that much to ask. I think he can

1985
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: and maybe they're maybe they are being honest. They're saying, no,

1986
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: you ain't right here, and then tell him no and

1987
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: move on. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, and you gotta

1988
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: tell him. And that's so well. Here's the thing too,

1989
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: And it makes some sense from Tom, but also it

1990
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: could you could go from the Patriots to point if

1991
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: you say, well, listen, why aren't you willing to go

1992
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: a two year deal? You don't think in third year

1993
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna be worth it? You bet on yourself. You're

1994
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 1: not gonna bet on yourself now from now on. Now

1995
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 1: that you're forty two, that's two or three. It's back

1996
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: and forth. I mean, you can take both sides of it.

1997
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: I just think it's not it's not too much for

1998
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:32,919
Speaker 1: Brady to ask the Patriots for an honest, upfront assessment

1999
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: of how long he'll be this. Maybe maybe he has

2000
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 1: and maybe they've done it, and that's why they haven't

2001
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: signed a deal. Well, they wouldn't even talk. They haven't

2002
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: even talked yet, which is what Albert Burr says they

2003
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: should do. I think they should too. Get let's get

2004
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: things moving, all right, we're gonna take a break here.

2005
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the new CBA. Lorenzo Alexander, former

2006
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: oh former Bills linebacker Lorenzo Alexander's gonna join us next

2007
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 1: hour from his home in Arizona, So come on back

2008
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: for that. One Bill's Live presented by Kalata Health from

2009
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: the Seneca Studio in Archard Park. This is Buffalo Bills

2010
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Radio Hills Radio Network Stories. The update comes from One

2011
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive. They Jacksonville Jaguars are going to use their

2012
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: franchise tak on defensive end Yannik and Gockway, according to

2013
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 1: league sources, that will allow them to try to trade

2014
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: him if it's what they decided to do or are

2015
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 1: forced to do. And Gockway tweeted out this morning his

2016
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: time and Jacksonville is over. He's twenty five, will be

2017
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 1: twenty five March thirty. First, the franchise tank for him

2018
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: carries an approximate salary of nineteen point three million dollars.

2019
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 1: The Bengals plan to use the franchise tag on wide

2020
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: receiver AJ Green that's estimated to be worth about eighteen

2021
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars. Then the two sides have

2022
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: until July fifteenth to reach a deal. BEng Wills say

2023
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 1: they will tag him and then sign him. They want

2024
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: him in Cincinnati in twenty twenty, no matter what. Philip Rivers,

2025
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: Tom Brady other quarterbacks still waiting to make their moves.

2026
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton of the bank I was ready to make

2027
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: his move. Three potential suitors for the longtime starting quarterback

2028
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: include the Bears, the Colts, and the Patriots. According to

2029
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: NFL Network, the Bears have said Mitchell Trubisky will be

2030
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: their starter in twenty twenty, but they're interested in talking

2031
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: to some others, maybe including Andy Dalton, Combine Broke up Yesterday,

2032
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: Utah's Javelin Gidrey stole the show in the forty yard

2033
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,560
Speaker 1: dash among the defensive backs, with an official time of

2034
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: four point two nine Ohio States. Jeff Okuda, considered the

2035
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 1: best cornerback available, got hurt in the forty yard dash

2036
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: or in some of the workouts yesterday, landed hard leaving

2037
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 1: for a ball during position drills. He had already run

2038
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: an official four four eight forty yard dash, but he

2039
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: did come back and finish off the rest of the

2040
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 1: workout and the Buffalo Sabers returned to practice today. They

2041
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 1: played tomorrow night against the Jets in Winnipeg to wrap

2042
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: up their four game road trip. The Sabers felt to

2043
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals on Saturday, five to two. Jeff Skinner

2044
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 1: scored for the second game in a row they help

2045
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: open up an early lead. The Coyotes came back to

2046
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 1: earn the two points. Sabers home on Thursday night. The

2047
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Penguins come to town Thursday off the Keybank Center

2048
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: schedule for seven o'clock for the Buffalo Savers. And that's

2049
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:07,799
Speaker 1: the update from One Bill's Lide, John Murphy, Steve Tansker

2050
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: coming to you from our Seneca studio in Archer Park.

2051
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Happy to have you with us. We're talking a lot

2052
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 1: of combine stuff. We were there last week. In the meantime,

2053
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: the proposed CBA is being voted on Steven. We got

2054
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: a man on the line and knows a lot about that,

2055
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: former Farmer Bills linebacker Lorenzo Alexander, part of the executive

2056
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 1: committee of the CBA. Yeah, you're right. It hurts to

2057
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 1: say Farmer Bills linebacker Lorenzo that's right. Yeah, Yeah, it

2058
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: just became a fish, I guess a couple of days

2059
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: ago when the league here ended. Um, it's still new

2060
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 1: for me as well, you know, saying we an informer.

2061
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: But it's part of the process and I'm still at

2062
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: peace with my decision. But I'll sum mister guys and

2063
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 1: people back in Buffalo. But ay over the weekend, I

2064
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: got to see a lot of Bills my field members

2065
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: over at thet the Savers game when they played the

2066
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 1: Yos here out in Glendale. What'd you think of the game. Well,

2067
01:36:57,800 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: we got off to a hot start, you know, two

2068
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: goal was in like five minutes. Nothing changed for us quickly,

2069
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: But it was great to hang out with all the

2070
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: Bills Mafia coming up taking pictures obviously, can see my

2071
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: son and my mom there. That's Lady Jim on Twitter

2072
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: with a lot of Bills Mafia know about. So she

2073
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 1: got to see all of her her fans as well.

2074
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: So it's just a good time and my son had

2075
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 1: a great time at the game. Your mind's become a

2076
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 1: bit of a celebrity on Twitter. Hunh. Yeah, she's a

2077
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 1: big time influencer. You know, she's always trying to push

2078
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: in it for her one and only son, myself, and

2079
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: she's gained a lot of friends albody's past couple of years.

2080
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: It really has done a great job of adapting. You know,

2081
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:35,600
Speaker 1: you think about the older generation being up for me

2082
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: with social media, but she's really kind of dove in

2083
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 1: head first and done the best what she can. So

2084
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, Lorenzo, now that you're a retired

2085
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 1: guy and it's all official all that, are you gonna

2086
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: be one of those guys that gets really thin in

2087
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 1: your retirement or are you gonna be one of those

2088
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: guys that, like you know, goes the other direction. Well,

2089
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: i think I've already got as thin as I can get,

2090
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna maintain I'm in mating it mold. You know,

2091
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: everybody knows they used to be three fifteen, they used

2092
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 1: to be a big boy, And that's one thing I'm

2093
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: not going to do. I'm not going back there. So

2094
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I'll be kind of where I'm at, two thirty five,

2095
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: two forty, you know, eat a little, a little bit,

2096
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: live a little, and then you know, maybe when I

2097
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 1: get close to summer, I'll get my beach body on

2098
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: and try to get my six pack. Yeah, good luck

2099
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: with that and run through Alexander with us from his

2100
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: home in Arizona. Lorenzo, you have been and I guess

2101
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,839
Speaker 1: will continue to be a member of the Executive Committee

2102
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 1: of the NFLPA. Is that correct. Yeah, Currently, our term

2103
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: actually ends with this league in we have our red

2104
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: meetings coming up, and so if the men decide they

2105
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 1: want to nominate me again and vote me on and

2106
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: continue this process, I definitely will for the next two years.

2107
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: But we I know we have a lot of membership

2108
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 1: that want to maybe rise up, change leadership, which is

2109
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 1: fine as well, because I'm obviously no longer playing, and

2110
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 1: I think it's always best, best and maybe even best

2111
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: to have guys in there that have a mind of

2112
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 1: what's going into my locker room because you have a

2113
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 1: real truth post dormantly because you're in those locker rooms

2114
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: every day. Well, we've heard that the NFL PA lawyers

2115
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: and they and the NFL lawyers are getting together the

2116
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 1: hammer out the language of this deal. I know, these

2117
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 1: these labor agreements are really complex. There's a ton of

2118
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 1: layers to it. There's a and there's past, present, and

2119
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: future players that you got to consider, but only the

2120
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: present day players get to vote. So's it's really hard

2121
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: to It's really difficult I think in this instance to

2122
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 1: strike a balance for the guys. Uh, they certainly want

2123
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: to do the right thing by everybody involved. If they

2124
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 1: can just kind of walk us through the complexity of

2125
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 1: this vote that's coming up, Well, I think you hit

2126
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 1: it on the head right there. With the past, future,

2127
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 1: and present players, I mean our group of members that

2128
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: we try to fight for. It is very diverse, not

2129
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: only an age and when they played and when they

2130
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 1: will play, but also in how you came in as league.

2131
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, a first rounders desires are a lot different

2132
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 1: than a guy now and that was undrafted and just

2133
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: trying to make the roster that you have all those

2134
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: guys in between that, and so when you try to

2135
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: come together and come up with ideas that work for

2136
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 1: you as a body, and then going to a room

2137
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: and negotiate with owners who have a you know, a

2138
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:07,759
Speaker 1: one track minding sense and where it's all about the money,

2139
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 1: it's hard to find a deal or come to a

2140
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 1: deal that I think makes everybody happy and that impacts

2141
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: everybody in a positive way. And I think this deal

2142
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 1: that's currently on the table reflects that in a lot

2143
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: of ways. You know, because even as we heard the

2144
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: sports update, you heard a lot of tags being mentioned,

2145
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: and that was something that guys really fought for and

2146
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: was trying to get changed because people at the at

2147
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: the top, you know, you restrict my movement, but then

2148
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: that they use that as a negotiation tactic and guys

2149
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: like Longevin but also a part of this deal, there's

2150
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: a lot of things in this deal that has moved

2151
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: the needle for sixty percent of our league as far

2152
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: as minimums and benefits, as well as far as helping

2153
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 1: guys that only play this game game for three years,

2154
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, getting a man maximizing that time obviously football wise,

2155
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: but also financially in health wise, that's the thing that

2156
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:01,480
Speaker 1: came out in the last couple of weeks with criticism

2157
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 1: of the proposed agreement from the higher paid players. Let's

2158
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: say J. J. Watt and Richard Sherman. But most of

2159
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 1: your membership is in the first couple of years of

2160
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: their NFL career, right, and that's they have different interests,

2161
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: in different concerns than the high paid guys. And that's

2162
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: kind of what you have to weigh out, you know,

2163
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with a deal, is how can we

2164
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: impact the majority of guys. And obviously everybody's not gonna

2165
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 1: be happy, as I mentioned before, but most of our

2166
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: guys come in this league and play three years on average,

2167
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,799
Speaker 1: and then a lot of our guys are on minimum

2168
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: minimum deal. Sixty percent of the league is on minimum deals,

2169
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 1: and so you're trying to impact the core players as

2170
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 1: much as you can. And as we did that, I

2171
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: think as we've formulated this deal or come to like

2172
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 1: to the end of where we're at in this current process,

2173
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of movement for those topying guys,

2174
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 1: and so I think that's why a lot of a

2175
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: lot of those men has spoke out out against it.

2176
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:53,599
Speaker 1: Anything you include a lot of these guys have been

2177
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:55,639
Speaker 1: the league a long time. You're talking about a seventeenth game,

2178
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: and I'm a guy. You know, obviously, if I decided

2179
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 1: to come back, I wouldn't want to play a seventeenth

2180
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 1: game because I understand the risk that I put my

2181
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 1: body at at year you know, sixteen. But guys that

2182
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 1: play on three years average, does does an extra game

2183
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 1: matter with them? Does an extra three games games matter?

2184
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 1: You know? Obviously with playoffs as well. Included that if

2185
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: they're on one of those teams, I don't know if

2186
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:17,800
Speaker 1: they weigh that as much. Hey, I hate a question

2187
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: for you too, Lorenzo. How did it How did it

2188
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: work that your executive committee, I think twice voted this

2189
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 1: proposal down and yet it moves once. Okay, you voted

2190
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: it down once, but you negotiated the deal, right, So

2191
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 1: you're negotiating and then you realize I don't like we negotiating.

2192
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 1: So this is this is kind of how it works.

2193
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, our constitution is well, anytime you're dealing

2194
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 1: with legal framework, there's a lot of gray area in

2195
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 1: room for interpretation, and so our interpretation doesn't say that

2196
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: our vote has any power in the sense that we

2197
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 1: can prohibit a vote, which I actually agree with because

2198
01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: you never really want ten or eleven men dictating or

2199
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: control and a significant amount of power. And then also

2200
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 1: then so then it just goes to the rest. But

2201
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 1: our vote does have influence as far as moving the

2202
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 1: needle because we have been the most involved. We are

2203
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: guys that have can have been or have respected around

2204
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: the league and played the longest, So we have influence

2205
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: another way, but we negotiate a deal. Guys didn't think

2206
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 1: we had moved far enough. It wasn't necessarily about the

2207
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 1: deal itself. I think it was about being able to

2208
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: move forward up get more, and so I think that's

2209
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 1: why he had a split decision from six to five

2210
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 1: against the deal, because some guys felt like we had

2211
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: more on the table. Oh, we didn't get enough, and

2212
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 1: we wanted to push it further versus pushing it down

2213
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: to our guys. What do you feel is some sort

2214
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:41,600
Speaker 1: of reasonable timeline. I know, the deal doesn't run the

2215
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: CBA doesn't run out for eighteen months, or you know

2216
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: another season full two seasons, what do you think is

2217
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 1: a reasonable timeline for this to get done? Say, for instance,

2218
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna vote and they're gonna say, approve this one.

2219
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: When do we see the results of that. Well, hopefully

2220
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 1: you'll see the fruits of it in the next next

2221
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 1: calendar year, because we approved it at you know, on

2222
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: the artificial timeline or deadline that the league gave us,

2223
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 1: and then if our players ratify that, some of these

2224
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 1: benefits were kicking into next season. But right now we're

2225
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 1: still trying to get all obviously, clean up all the details,

2226
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: all the language, and then be able to present a

2227
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,719
Speaker 1: deal to our guys that they can vote on being

2228
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 1: well informed. And so that's really where we're at right

2229
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 1: now with this process, trying to inform our guys and

2230
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 1: seeing if they want to play under these this deal

2231
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: that we've been able to negotiating. So you got a

2232
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 1: lot of guys saying no, you got some guys saying yes,

2233
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: which was represented by our player reps, you know, seventeen

2234
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: fourteen with one after dation for the deal. So we

2235
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: still have a lot of gray area before this thing

2236
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 1: can even be ratified and clear it up before we

2237
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 1: can even move forward for which hopefully happens. You know,

2238
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: I want to I want the process to take as

2239
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 1: long as it needs, but Hopefully the next you know,

2240
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 1: three or four weeks, we have something we're in front

2241
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 1: of guys that has been explained and they can vote

2242
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 1: alright out of the the Lineman Lorenzo Alexamer, former Bills linebacker,

2243
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: member of the NFLPA Executive Committee. Lorenz of what happened

2244
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 1: to that? I know they dropped it, but the two

2245
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars cap on payment for the

2246
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 1: seventeenth game, they dropped that, the owners did. But what

2247
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: do you do now for payment for a seventeenth game

2248
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: in the season. Well, yeah, they didn't really drop it.

2249
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 1: They just allowed us to move the money that we

2250
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: had negotiated out of our side around. And so, you know,

2251
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: the CBA is this weird thing where we negotiate a

2252
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: certain part of revenue and then they still want to

2253
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 1: have control over how we allocate our money, you know,

2254
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: whether the benefits, the player salaries, they just want to

2255
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 1: have control over it. So what they allowed us to

2256
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 1: do is take money out of out of one benefit

2257
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: and the salary cap to be able to compensate guys

2258
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: who make over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and

2259
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 1: at one seventeenth when they ever institute a seventeenth game,

2260
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 1: and so it's not like they gave up anything to

2261
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,600
Speaker 1: do it. They just allowed us to move money that

2262
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 1: we had already negotiate out of our side of the money.

2263
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 1: So we really just stell it for one section of

2264
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: it and accommodating those guys. So they didn't move. It's

2265
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 1: not like a sacrifice they made or anything. Can I

2266
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: ask you, I'm a specific question, I guess, but the

2267
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,560
Speaker 1: money that you move from your side of the you're

2268
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 1: allowed to allocate that money into the players salaries? Does

2269
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 1: that money come back to you when the salaries start

2270
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: meetings negotiated on a seventeen game schedule? Say that one

2271
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: more time. Does the money that they allowed you to

2272
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: move out to compensate those players for the seventeenth game?

2273
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 1: Does that money Are you allowed to allocate that back

2274
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 1: to benefits once all the contracts are negotiated for a

2275
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:48,599
Speaker 1: seventeenth game? I mean, I mean technically, so obviously ask

2276
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: the salary pay or as the revenue avenue grows, we

2277
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 1: can have money, but we can't. You can't never go

2278
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 1: back to the year because it's coming from player performance,

2279
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: and player performance works on an annual basis. So maybe

2280
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 1: you can increase player performance moving forward at a greater ristic,

2281
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 1: maybe compensate for that lack of growth that you had

2282
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 1: in these first couple of years because we had to

2283
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 1: pay the top twenty percent. But the guy that made

2284
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: his last year it might have been in next season

2285
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: won't be able to benefit from that, and so you're

2286
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: actually taken away from a x amount of players and

2287
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 1: given to another amount of players. It's essentially what it

2288
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 1: boils down to learn, Joel, What about the I guess

2289
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: there's sort of side issues. Five day acclimation period for

2290
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: training camp and less practicing in pads and changes in

2291
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 1: the marijuana policy. How important were those two the membership

2292
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:41,800
Speaker 1: of the NFLPA. Well, let me start with marijuana. Marijuana

2293
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: was not a big deal for us. I think actually

2294
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:46,600
Speaker 1: both sides, especially where our country has gone with the

2295
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:51,440
Speaker 1: idea of marijuana and it being more of a therapeutic

2296
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: use in a lot of cases and and a lot

2297
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,840
Speaker 1: safer and some other you can have different opinions about that.

2298
01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 1: But the program has changed more to a a rehabilitative

2299
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:05,679
Speaker 1: program versus a punitive program, which if guys get popped,

2300
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 1: now you have a real issue. You have an addiction issue.

2301
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 1: You're not just using it, you know on an occasion

2302
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 1: you have a real issue that we want to really

2303
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 1: help be able to help our man with our man

2304
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: with But that was more of both sides. Players really

2305
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 1: didn't fight over that as far as the acclimation period

2306
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: in the way training camp goes. You know, obviously add

2307
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 1: an addition of a seventeenth game, there's additional risk that

2308
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: we incur, and so we're trying to figure out how

2309
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 1: we can mitigate that as much as possible by having

2310
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 1: having a longer ramp up time before you put pads on,

2311
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 1: maximizing the pads that you can have on during the

2312
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: season or during training camp at sixteen, as well as

2313
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: increasing the off days and so you hope that maybe

2314
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 1: you're fresh are going into the season, and then that

2315
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,560
Speaker 1: allows you to feel better as you get towards the

2316
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,639
Speaker 1: end of the season by decreasing the wear and tear

2317
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:53,560
Speaker 1: that you have doing training camp where a lot of

2318
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 1: head coaches or coaches are trying to figure out, you know,

2319
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 1: who's tough who's not, and you get a lot of

2320
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 1: stuff that you really don't need to go out there

2321
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 1: and play football. But those are deal breakers, right I mean,

2322
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 1: the important part is the general increase in uh right,

2323
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: it's generally increasing money. That's what it can be. It

2324
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: can be. It can be a deal breaker because we're

2325
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,679
Speaker 1: talking about our body. So you ask, money is great,

2326
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 1: but a lot of guys don't feel like it's a

2327
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: great trade off. And so there were guys that even

2328
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,679
Speaker 1: wanted a bigger role back as far as me being

2329
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 1: there um at work, especially in the offseason. If I'm

2330
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: going to have all these OTAs which we talk about

2331
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 1: CTE and player of health, health and the cumulative hits

2332
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 1: that I have to endure, especially as alignment linebacker, um,

2333
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 1: those things we're trying to take off our body. And

2334
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 1: you add a seventeenth game where now I'm just letting

2335
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 1: you know all, I'm off the leash and I'm going

2336
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 1: full board. Where can we get it? Because we look

2337
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 1: at it as an accumulus thing. Seventeen games offseason, preseason,

2338
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 1: so we've got to take take something draft to be

2339
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 1: back because a seventeenth game on my body is hard.

2340
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 1: And so it is a deal breaker for some guys

2341
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,759
Speaker 1: because they understand the ramifications a long term of playing

2342
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 1: it extra game. Did the lack of a did the

2343
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 1: roll back on the preseason kind of help with that

2344
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 1: because certainly it's just if you play sixteen years, you're

2345
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:11,600
Speaker 1: not going to play in sixteen fourth preseason games, but

2346
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 1: you probably will as a rooker anyway. Right, Well, you

2347
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: had depending on where you're at. I mean, I played

2348
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 1: ten years and I had to play in all four

2349
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:21,760
Speaker 1: of them. So it just depends on, right which your

2350
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: role is on the team and and and you know

2351
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 1: you're a starter or you're a special teams guy and

2352
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 1: a rotational player. Sometimes you do have to play in

2353
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 1: all four. Um, So again it packs, and that's why

2354
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 1: it's so hard to make decisions because every guys situation

2355
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 1: is different, and you kind of all over the board,

2356
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 1: and you kind of just have to take it from

2357
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 1: a big pitch of you sometimes to take a broad

2358
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: paint brush and see if the deal impacts us more

2359
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:47,720
Speaker 1: positively than negatively, and then and then and then in

2360
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: that impact, is it impacting the majority of guys around

2361
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 1: the line. We learned to Alexander Farmer, Bill's linebacker, member

2362
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 1: of the NFL Players Association Executive Committee. I heard an

2363
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: interview with Pat to Marco this morning. He said, tomorrow,

2364
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: you guys have a big conference call among Bills players

2365
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:05,759
Speaker 1: to discuss You must have heard from some players already,

2366
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 1: not just Bills. What are they saying? What are they

2367
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:12,400
Speaker 1: what questions are they asking about the new CBA um Well,

2368
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the big thing is about the

2369
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 1: seventeenth game. For some guys, it's a non starter. When

2370
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 1: I asked some other guys before on the Bills team

2371
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 1: and around the league, they wanted to know, well, if

2372
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:22,600
Speaker 1: I have to play a seventeenth game, what do I

2373
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:24,720
Speaker 1: get out of it? And some guys were good, like

2374
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 1: c just mentioned not playing that fourth preseason game, having

2375
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 1: like that another glorified by the sixteen padded practices. They said, okay,

2376
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 1: all right, I can hear it. And then the minimums

2377
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,839
Speaker 1: are going up. Obviously, we've guaranteed our forty eight percent

2378
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 1: to forty eight point five percent on an AAR basis,

2379
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: on an annual basis, unlike the last deal, which was

2380
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 1: an average of the deal. So what they did. The

2381
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 1: difference is before the NFL will started at forty eight

2382
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 1: percent giving it to the players, and by the end

2383
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:53,360
Speaker 1: of the deal it was like forty six percent and

2384
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 1: it averaged out to forty seven. But when the when

2385
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 1: the revenue was going up. At the end, we were

2386
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: only getting forty six instead of forty seven, but this

2387
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:03,040
Speaker 1: time it will be forty eight to forty eight point

2388
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 1: five every single year, and so guys like that. And

2389
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: then on the medical side that there is a concept

2390
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 1: of having access to hospitals in NFL cities for preventative

2391
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 1: care for you, your spouse as well as um possibly

2392
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 1: your family. And that's some of the details that we're

2393
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 1: really trying to iron out and make it clear who

2394
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: has access, how much access, and what are those services

2395
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:30,679
Speaker 1: that are being provided, because that is a different caveat

2396
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 1: that you can add to extended healthcare that a lot

2397
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 1: of guys have asked for, which could be big for me.

2398
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 1: And then lastly, one of the most important pieces in

2399
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 1: my mind is giving back to the pension the pitching guys.

2400
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: You know, obviously we have a lot of pre ninety

2401
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: three guys. It's a big group in Buffalo that actually

2402
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 1: I had met with and they were worried about pinsion

2403
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:48,400
Speaker 1: parody and so not too many. I don't even think

2404
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 1: any other union does that. As far as going back

2405
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: and providing for guys that the should as we stand

2406
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 1: on and I'm benefiting today in the NFL, all the

2407
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,439
Speaker 1: fruits of my labor. But we're bringing them up to

2408
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:00,200
Speaker 1: pension parody, you know, so that I think like a

2409
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:01,920
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars or something a month, they're gonna be

2410
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: moved up to five fifty. And so guys are worried

2411
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:06,720
Speaker 1: about all those different assets of the deal and trying

2412
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Um. And so tomorrow we'll have

2413
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 1: the conversation going to depth and and I'm almost one

2414
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:15,160
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure you're gonna have guys on both sides

2415
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 1: of these things trying to figure things out. Yeah, and

2416
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 1: you've got more jobs to right, a couple more roster

2417
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 1: spots and more jobs on the practice squard. Had. Yeah,

2418
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: you add two more on the on the active roster,

2419
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 1: and then I believe it's uh, it might be two,

2420
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: then three. It kind of ramps up for practice squad

2421
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:33,680
Speaker 1: as we get a little further up. It might be

2422
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 1: two next year. And then they added another two further out. Well. Yeah,

2423
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:39,880
Speaker 1: it's like I said when we started this, it's a

2424
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 1: complex deal. There's a lot of layers to it, and

2425
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of guys with different with different interests.

2426
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:46,840
Speaker 1: At this point, whatever point of the career now. And

2427
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:50,160
Speaker 1: I know this, Um, whatever the vote's gonna be between

2428
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:52,400
Speaker 1: the nineteen or seventeen hundred guys voting, it ain't gonna

2429
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 1: be unanimous, right, No, it's not. It's gonna be right

2430
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 1: there on the line. It's gonna reflect the EC vote

2431
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 1: and the REP. Vote. It's gonna be right there, you know,

2432
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: fifty one forty nine, right, And I don't know which

2433
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:06,719
Speaker 1: way that that fifty one is gonna be right. The owners,

2434
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: I guess it's a threat, have said if you don't

2435
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 1: approve this, they're not talking again until next year, and

2436
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 1: they think that will be dire circumstances. Do you think

2437
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 1: that's fine? Really? I mean, that's I mean, if that's

2438
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: what they want to put out there, I mean, I mean,

2439
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:23,719
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm not going to let the ownership pressure

2440
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: guys into doing something that is not best for them.

2441
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:28,639
Speaker 1: And so we're laying out what we have on the line,

2442
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 1: what the deal is because them doing that and that's

2443
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: not necessarily good for them, either not playing football or

2444
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 1: not negotiating good faith. It's not good for any side,

2445
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 1: and so they need to understand that as well. And obviously,

2446
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 1: with their mentality being billionaires. I understand how they are

2447
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 1: used to doing certain things, but they got to understand

2448
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 1: we have a lot of guys now they don't want

2449
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:48,360
Speaker 1: to deal either, and that they're willing to push this

2450
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:51,320
Speaker 1: thing to the end. And so hope now now and

2451
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 1: wasting time and not negotiating is I don't think it's

2452
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 1: the smartest move. You're trying to make movement, You're trying

2453
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: to get stuff done. You're trying to have labor piece

2454
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:02,760
Speaker 1: hash it out, even if you're uncomfortable, because we have

2455
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are ready to blow the

2456
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 1: thing up too. So they can play the game if

2457
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 1: they want to and we'll see what happens. But them

2458
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: are us doing something something like that, I don't think

2459
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: it's best interest in the long term of the game

2460
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 1: as far as everybody you know, getting what they want

2461
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 1: out of it. Hey, one more thing to ask you

2462
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 1: about promotion that you put out on your Twitter site,

2463
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 1: your ACES Foundation, the Buffalo PA l and the Junior

2464
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 1: NBA promoting the All American Skill Development Mentoring Clinic Friday

2465
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 1: Night's starting this Friday at the mcneica Community Center, Clinton

2466
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 1: Street in Buffalo. It's a basketball camp, right, It's a

2467
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 1: basketball Skill Development Clinic. Tell me about your involving in that. Yeah,

2468
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean growing up in Oakland, I actually played on

2469
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 1: in the Power League. We won. You know, I'm a

2470
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:48,160
Speaker 1: brag on myself a little bit, but we want our

2471
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:51,120
Speaker 1: state in pow travel the country a little bit big,

2472
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 1: going to Detroit, New Jersey. And because of that experience,

2473
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 1: that positive experience I had and I had officers as

2474
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 1: my coach, I wanted to give back to the Buffalo

2475
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 1: Power League and create this environment that I got as

2476
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 1: well as help mentor young men and young ladies that

2477
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm so passionate about our youth, and so it was

2478
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: just a great fit. The Kia and her team over

2479
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 1: there do a great job of providing a great safe

2480
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 1: and fund space for our kids, and so it's gonna

2481
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:17,880
Speaker 1: be a great event. So hopefully I'll be able to

2482
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 1: get back there over the next month to be able

2483
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: to tend one of these and show face and actually

2484
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 1: support as well with my time. Okay, and folks can

2485
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 1: send an email the Police Athletical League at city slash

2486
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo dot com from our information Lorenzo. A little weather

2487
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 1: here in Buffalo today, kind of rainy and cold. I'm

2488
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: sure you miss it right. I'm checking the temperature at

2489
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 1: a forty fright mid forties, And I wish I could

2490
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 1: show you my outside right now. You know, I'll buy

2491
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 1: the pool in the sport court where it's nice and seventies.

2492
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 1: Seventy five degrees here, that's nice weather for Buffalo. It's

2493
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 1: a little gloomy. I don't see any sunshine, see a

2494
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:53,960
Speaker 1: lot of sunshine. I wish I had the technology you

2495
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 1: guys had, I can show you outside. But maybe I'll

2496
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 1: just send you some pictures on your phone, you know what,

2497
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: I'll tweet it out what I looks like where I'm at,

2498
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:03,160
Speaker 1: you know what, Lorenzo, you know what. We're good. Thanks, Hey,

2499
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:06,040
Speaker 1: we don't need that. Hey, thanks, Hey, good luck with this, Lorenzo.

2500
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're you're ready for whatever happens on

2501
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 1: the CBA. That's good. I appreciate you guys. Take care,

2502
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander, former Bill's linebacker. Remember the NFLPA executive Committee. Look,

2503
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 1: I think he's got the right perspective, right And I

2504
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 1: like when he said, you know, they're not gonna even

2505
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:25,600
Speaker 1: though the owners are hustling this through trying to get

2506
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: this done, they want to get to the table with

2507
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 1: the TV networks next. Obviously they want to have a

2508
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 1: thing in hand that says, look, our guys who are

2509
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 1: approving this. Lorenzo's like, that's their time people, not ours.

2510
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: I like that. That's smart. Yeah, I think in generally speaking,

2511
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 1: the owners and the league's got to be this eight

2512
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,839
Speaker 1: hundred pound gorilla because it's been run really well, no question,

2513
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 1: but this face it. How many who's been sacrifice hands

2514
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 1: them and the players hasn't been the ownership. And you

2515
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:52,160
Speaker 1: can say, you can laugh, say, well, the owners, they're

2516
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:54,320
Speaker 1: not sacrifice anything, but the simple fact that matters. The

2517
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: owners are interested in making what they've got more valuable.

2518
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 1: Certainly the cash flow is a big part of that

2519
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they know that to get to make

2520
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 1: that continue to get the best deal they can from

2521
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 1: the players. And now players know this too. While their

2522
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 1: end has gotten up and more and more and more

2523
01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 1: players on the rosters of the NFL have been have

2524
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: had their lives changed because of the wealth they've have acquired.

2525
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:20,600
Speaker 1: They're trying to get more and more guys included in

2526
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 1: that and help the guys out who who helped him

2527
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,280
Speaker 1: get to that point, Guys like me and back in

2528
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 1: the even the sixties and seventies helping all those guys.

2529
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 1: So both sides have, you know, a responsibility and they're

2530
01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 1: they're both trying to live up to it. It's that's

2531
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 1: why these deals are not that easy to hammer out.

2532
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 1: But the owners, like I said, like you said, they'd

2533
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 1: love to get a hustle through because they gotta do

2534
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:46,240
Speaker 1: their TV deals. But they're not going to miss a meal.

2535
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:50,080
Speaker 1: Not this doesn't get done right, you know? So right?

2536
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 1: Very interesting? Thanks for Lorenzo. Miss Lorenzo already around here,

2537
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 1: don't you? Yeah? Last year he was here? Was it?

2538
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 1: Last year? He was here virtually an entire offseason? Sure?

2539
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 1: Last year he was here a bunch, Yeah, he was

2540
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 1: here a bunch. Hey, our question of the day. So

2541
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: the combine ends yesterday. Do you think that changed the

2542
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 1: Bills mindset? Which position should they value in free agency

2543
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 1: now instead of the draft? Free agency really begins in

2544
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 1: two weeks. Maybe they got a position group that now

2545
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 1: they need to supplement buy and free agency as opposed

2546
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:20,080
Speaker 1: to the draft. What do you think which position would

2547
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 1: that be? Give us a call to discuss or whatever

2548
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:25,440
Speaker 1: you'd like to discuss. Eight three five fifty Outside Buffalo

2549
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 1: toll free call one eight eight eight five fifty two

2550
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 1: fifty phone lines wide open. We're back with more in

2551
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 1: a moment. One Bills Live presented by Klota Health from

2552
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park, Seneca Resorts and Casino.

2553
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 1: Nothing comes close, I know. Welcome back to the show,

2554
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker. It's one Bills Live. Our phone

2555
01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 1: lines are wide open if you want to discuss anything

2556
01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:02,640
Speaker 1: CBA the Bills draft strategy, free agent strategy. Let's get

2557
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:04,040
Speaker 1: back to that Twitter poll. Let me check it and

2558
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 1: see where we're at, because I think it's pretty close

2559
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:10,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good distribution of how people feel about the

2560
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 1: Bills talent acquisition over the next week or two. Our

2561
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: question is after the combine, now, which position should the

2562
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:21,000
Speaker 1: Bills value in free agency over the draft? So are

2563
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 1: the premise here is the Bills have had to look

2564
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:25,840
Speaker 1: at some of the college talent. Maybe now they look

2565
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,480
Speaker 1: a little bit differently at what they're going to do

2566
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:30,680
Speaker 1: in free agency. How at twenty two they get an

2567
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 1: idea of who's going to be available, and there may

2568
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 1: be position groups who are not available in the draft

2569
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:38,480
Speaker 1: at a high enough level so they know listen if

2570
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:40,600
Speaker 1: we're going to get good at this position or better,

2571
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:42,880
Speaker 1: we got to go through free agency because we're not

2572
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 1: going to get anybody in the draft that kind of thinking.

2573
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 1: So if there's that kind of thinking, you know, where

2574
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:49,920
Speaker 1: is it? Where? What caused it? Which position? Groups to

2575
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:52,040
Speaker 1: the Bills value eight hundred and seventy five votes in

2576
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,200
Speaker 1: on the Twitter poll, and thirty six percent of you

2577
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:56,920
Speaker 1: say it's edge rusher. They should look to free agency

2578
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 1: to add an edge rusher. Okay, thirty three percent you

2579
02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:03,640
Speaker 1: say offensive line, thirty or twenty six percent of you

2580
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 1: say wide receiver, and five percent say other. Give us

2581
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,640
Speaker 1: a call. Let's discuss eight three fifty toll free one

2582
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty Send it

2583
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:16,280
Speaker 1: a tweet for the tweet sheet. Yes, I'm surprised that

2584
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:18,800
Speaker 1: so many people still believe wide receiver is the way

2585
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 1: to go because of the depth of that class. I

2586
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:23,320
Speaker 1: am too, twenty six percent, because you feel like you're

2587
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:26,240
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get one of those guys with

2588
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:28,280
Speaker 1: any of the first two or three picks the Bills

2589
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:33,440
Speaker 1: have first three Did you say first two or three two?

2590
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:36,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a starter, right? Yeah? I think based

2591
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:39,960
Speaker 1: on what we saw at the combine. Yeah, and even

2592
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:42,200
Speaker 1: at number three pick, you may get a guy that's

2593
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:44,320
Speaker 1: better than any of the guys you were rotating over

2594
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 1: there all through the season last year. Although it maybe

2595
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:49,360
Speaker 1: a guy'd have to fall a little bit to do that.

2596
02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:53,920
Speaker 1: But still still people, I still think people are overvaluing

2597
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:59,360
Speaker 1: what another wide receiver is gonna do for this offense. Well,

2598
02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:03,080
Speaker 1: they needed a playmaker wide receiver. Playmaker, right, I mean,

2599
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:05,360
Speaker 1: that's why people are looking for wide receivers. They need

2600
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:08,240
Speaker 1: somebody to catch balls and make plays big players. Do

2601
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:14,000
Speaker 1: you think they're over I think they're over exaggerating an

2602
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:17,520
Speaker 1: effect a great players going to do out there, it's

2603
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:19,280
Speaker 1: the guy pulling the To me, it's the guy pulling

2604
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:23,320
Speaker 1: the trigger. Yeah, I don't worry about him. Yeah, he's

2605
02:02:23,320 --> 02:02:25,320
Speaker 1: got to play better, and I know he will. I

2606
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:26,920
Speaker 1: think he will play. He's gonna play better, and it's

2607
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna take another stay. They got, they got continuity,

2608
02:02:30,160 --> 02:02:32,080
Speaker 1: they got another year in the system with a second

2609
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 1: that the guys they got last year. Their offensive line

2610
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,040
Speaker 1: hopefully will be bolstered. I mean, I just yeah, I

2611
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get better offensively, And I just don't

2612
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:44,920
Speaker 1: think this number, this big sized, tall wide receiver is

2613
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:46,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a magic one. It's gonna be like, ah,

2614
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:50,280
Speaker 1: there's there's there may be, there's gonna be. I'll tell

2615
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:51,960
Speaker 1: this right now, there's gonna be less than a handful

2616
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:53,920
Speaker 1: of plays next year where you say, yeah, see that's

2617
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:57,640
Speaker 1: why we got that guy. Less than a handful. I'd

2618
02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:59,200
Speaker 1: say it to be about a handful. I would hope

2619
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,560
Speaker 1: you say less than a handful. I'll tell you what

2620
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't worry about Josh. And again, I go back

2621
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:07,880
Speaker 1: to my favorite interviews at the Combine last week, and

2622
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:10,480
Speaker 1: I go back to Jordan Palmer, and one thing you

2623
02:03:10,520 --> 02:03:13,320
Speaker 1: talked about how hard he's working, and he said, you know,

2624
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:16,920
Speaker 1: last season, the theme with he and Josh was anticipation

2625
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:20,040
Speaker 1: throwing guys open. He took major strides in that area.

2626
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:22,160
Speaker 1: And now when I think about Josh throwing the deep ball,

2627
02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:24,680
Speaker 1: his quote went, I think, yeah, he'll solve it. That's

2628
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of way. And this guy who works with them

2629
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 1: every day this time of year, Jordan Palmer, he said, well,

2630
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,120
Speaker 1: he solved this problems last year, he'll be better at

2631
02:03:31,160 --> 02:03:33,120
Speaker 1: the deep ball this year. I think he's probably right.

2632
02:03:33,240 --> 02:03:35,080
Speaker 1: I do. I think he's probably right about that. The

2633
02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 1: thing that got me about our conversation with Jordan Palmer,

2634
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:41,720
Speaker 1: and you're right, it was pretty interesting. Really. My beloved

2635
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 1: mentioned it to me that she was listening to that.

2636
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 1: She goes, that guy sounded really smart, like he knew.

2637
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:48,080
Speaker 1: I was like, well he is. And the thing that

2638
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:50,720
Speaker 1: surprised me about that, and we got some feedback about

2639
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 1: your beloved. What's his name, no, my wife Sarah, So

2640
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:58,840
Speaker 1: she said, he sound really smart. The thing that got

2641
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 1: me about it was we get a lot of people

2642
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 1: calling and saying, well, you got him all these out

2643
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:06,240
Speaker 1: of these gurus where they listen. Jordan Palmer is on

2644
02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:10,040
Speaker 1: the phone with Brian day Ball and Ken Dorsey. They're saying, listen,

2645
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:12,280
Speaker 1: we gotta do a B and C. We're thinking about this,

2646
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:14,440
Speaker 1: and he and Jordan's talk to them as a give

2647
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:16,520
Speaker 1: and take. And Jordan Palmer's trying to get him ready

2648
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:19,520
Speaker 1: for the Bills coaching staff. He's not over there doing him.

2649
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:24,000
Speaker 1: He's not trying to mulled Josh Allen into Jordan Palmer's

2650
02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:26,680
Speaker 1: version of what a quarterback should be. He's coaching him

2651
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 1: up the way the Bills want him to coach him

2652
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:30,960
Speaker 1: up and working on the things the Bills coaches want

2653
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:33,600
Speaker 1: him to work on. They and he's smart enough to

2654
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:38,040
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, there they probably know. So that was

2655
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:42,400
Speaker 1: a really interesting revelation to me as to how closely

2656
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:46,800
Speaker 1: those work together. And I'm sure that when Jordan Palmer

2657
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:49,440
Speaker 1: works with his other quarterbacks, he's taken some feedback from

2658
02:04:49,480 --> 02:04:53,440
Speaker 1: other whatever whoever that kid listens to or that quarterback

2659
02:04:53,480 --> 02:04:55,720
Speaker 1: listens to about what they think he should do. So

2660
02:04:55,760 --> 02:04:58,240
Speaker 1: I to me that was really interesting and kind of

2661
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 1: comforting to know that every everybody around Josh is on

2662
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:03,520
Speaker 1: the same page, pull in the same direction. I think

2663
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:06,000
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons, if not the main reason,

2664
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 1: why it took such a huge step last year. Yeah,

2665
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 1: and I think again that's why I anticipated will do

2666
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:13,000
Speaker 1: the same thing this year. I really do. And yes

2667
02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:16,560
Speaker 1: he does, he said, Josh Relay's exactly what they want

2668
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:18,520
Speaker 1: him to work on, and that's what they work on.

2669
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:22,160
Speaker 1: The deep pass is clearly a focus of attention for

2670
02:05:22,240 --> 02:05:24,720
Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer and Josh Allen this year. And if you

2671
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:26,320
Speaker 1: miss the interview, I'm telling you it's one of the

2672
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:28,040
Speaker 1: great interviews. We did a lot of them last week.

2673
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 1: It's one of the great interviews we did last week.

2674
02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:31,720
Speaker 1: You can look find it in the Bills app, go

2675
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:33,960
Speaker 1: to Buffalo Bills dot com, go to YouTube, you can

2676
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:37,040
Speaker 1: find it there. The two of us sat down with

2677
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:40,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer last week, so we gave you the Twitter

2678
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,480
Speaker 1: poll results. Let's check the tweet sheet brought to you

2679
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:45,280
Speaker 1: by Corgan Moving Systems, official movers of the Buffalo Bills,

2680
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:47,640
Speaker 1: which position to the Bill's value and free to see.

2681
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:49,760
Speaker 1: Over the draft, Thomas says the Bills need to bring

2682
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:53,480
Speaker 1: in experience offensive linemen and more importantly, resigned Quentin Spain.

2683
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:56,560
Speaker 1: Next priority would be signing cornerbacks and a player to

2684
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,680
Speaker 1: step in for Lorenzo. Player like Kyle van Nou take

2685
02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:02,200
Speaker 1: edge rusher in round one, and wide receiver in second

2686
02:06:02,280 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 1: round of draft like Claypool, Jefferson and Pittman. I think

2687
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:07,480
Speaker 1: all three of them are good sized receivers too. I

2688
02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:10,360
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what they're they're they're they're looking for.

2689
02:06:10,440 --> 02:06:12,400
Speaker 1: They'll take a good one no matter what size he is.

2690
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:14,320
Speaker 1: But I do think they're they're like a bigger guy

2691
02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 1: to complete. And as our guests John Ledgard said, they're

2692
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:22,000
Speaker 1: looking to complete the wide receiver. Cord not started right,

2693
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:26,000
Speaker 1: and that's true. I gotta tell you this too. One

2694
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:28,440
Speaker 1: last thing about the thing with Josh and Jordan Palmer.

2695
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:33,280
Speaker 1: It's comforting. We knew this and we've seen it. It's

2696
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:37,760
Speaker 1: the guy works hard. Josh works really hard. He had

2697
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,760
Speaker 1: to work really hard to take that step he took

2698
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:42,040
Speaker 1: last year. He had to work really hard to get

2699
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:44,400
Speaker 1: ready to play in a pro offense. And that work

2700
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,240
Speaker 1: that he put in in his rookie season when he's

2701
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 1: getting bad or just running off, taking off and running

2702
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:51,440
Speaker 1: with the football all the time, he worked really hard

2703
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:54,080
Speaker 1: to get there. And it's comforting that the guy kids

2704
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:57,680
Speaker 1: really smart, he works really hard, He's getting a consistent

2705
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:02,200
Speaker 1: quality coaching, and so it's just encouraging and kind of,

2706
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, inspiring and exhilarating. The thin man he's gonna

2707
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:07,480
Speaker 1: come back and he's gonna be even better. So, you

2708
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:10,600
Speaker 1: know it, just as much as we get into this

2709
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:12,920
Speaker 1: combined thing and all these rookies coming in in the

2710
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:18,440
Speaker 1: draft class, the one thing that still trumps everything is

2711
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:21,640
Speaker 1: hard work. And to have guys who are already in

2712
02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:23,920
Speaker 1: the league working really hard. That's how you stay in

2713
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:25,440
Speaker 1: the league. That's how you'd be great, that's how you

2714
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,840
Speaker 1: become legendary. That's how you become. Everything that you can

2715
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:32,640
Speaker 1: possibly be is amount when it regards to success in

2716
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:36,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. So it's really nice to hear that guy

2717
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:40,400
Speaker 1: Josh Alan putting in those hours and really working hard. Yeah.

2718
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:42,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking the other day about how in two

2719
02:07:42,600 --> 02:07:44,920
Speaker 1: three years, maybe after a couple more years at Josh Allen,

2720
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:48,840
Speaker 1: we'll dig out highlights of his first year and we'll

2721
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:50,840
Speaker 1: kind of laugh at a little bit, like, Wow, Josh

2722
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:53,360
Speaker 1: was crazy as a rookie, right, just plays that he made, throws,

2723
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:56,320
Speaker 1: that he made, runs that he made jump it over linebackers.

2724
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,280
Speaker 1: I just think he'll be so much more developed in

2725
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:00,440
Speaker 1: two two and a half more years we'll look back

2726
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:02,560
Speaker 1: at his rookie here and say he did that, Wow,

2727
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:05,600
Speaker 1: I barely remember that. Would be nice how crazy he was.

2728
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:08,240
Speaker 1: Would be nice for him to play here long enough

2729
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:10,360
Speaker 1: to go back and look as I remember what a

2730
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:14,480
Speaker 1: what a goog he was wrong, was spinning Skiko Alonso

2731
02:08:14,520 --> 02:08:17,720
Speaker 1: into the ground Miami and like that and missing that Yeah,

2732
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:19,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Yeah over the line, it was a

2733
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:22,320
Speaker 1: bar and Yeah. One more from the tweet sheet from

2734
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:25,760
Speaker 1: Eric just based on the combine wide receiver, an offensive

2735
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:28,920
Speaker 1: line looked impressive while the defensive line did not perform

2736
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:32,280
Speaker 1: quite as well. So that would say target defensive lineman

2737
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:35,160
Speaker 1: and free agency and attack the strong position groups that

2738
02:08:35,200 --> 02:08:37,800
Speaker 1: are in the draft. I'm kind of inclined to agree

2739
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:42,200
Speaker 1: with Eric. I'm thinking defensive line, edge rusher. I think

2740
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:45,520
Speaker 1: that's what you look at in free agency as opposed to, uh,

2741
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:47,800
Speaker 1: don't go after a wide receiver. You can get a good,

2742
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:51,320
Speaker 1: probably starting caliber wide receiver as late as the third round,

2743
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 1: according to many draft observers, we'll see. I'm I'm I'm

2744
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:56,720
Speaker 1: all into that. I think it's I think it's d line,

2745
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:02,440
Speaker 1: and I think it's maybe a linebacker and the edge

2746
02:09:02,440 --> 02:09:04,760
Speaker 1: guys in free agency. I think that's that's where you

2747
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:06,880
Speaker 1: start here. And I'm not saying they're gonna go out

2748
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 1: and get Von Miller, Khalil Mack. I'm just saying they're

2749
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna get some guys who are gonna give him some

2750
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:19,400
Speaker 1: veteran leadership. You know, they'll tell you what this Kyle

2751
02:09:19,480 --> 02:09:22,120
Speaker 1: Van Noyd from New England, I think he's a really

2752
02:09:22,120 --> 02:09:23,920
Speaker 1: good player. I don't know what he's gonna pull down

2753
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:25,920
Speaker 1: in the in the off season or in the in

2754
02:09:25,960 --> 02:09:28,000
Speaker 1: the free agent market, but that's a guy that could

2755
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:30,280
Speaker 1: really come in and have some instant credibility. He was

2756
02:09:30,280 --> 02:09:34,400
Speaker 1: a division opponent. Players will remember playing against him the

2757
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:37,800
Speaker 1: kind of player he was, and he'll bring some credibility

2758
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:39,320
Speaker 1: to locker room because he was on a team that

2759
02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, won the Super Bowl two years ago and

2760
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:45,720
Speaker 1: won twelve games last year. He's not an edge rusher,

2761
02:09:45,800 --> 02:09:50,839
Speaker 1: but he's mentioned today is getting a franchise. Tachu Yannicking Goquay.

2762
02:09:51,200 --> 02:09:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm look, they might go out and get him. I'm

2763
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:55,120
Speaker 1: not I wouldn't be then interested in Yannicking Gockway because

2764
02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:57,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't really fit what they need number one, number two.

2765
02:09:57,400 --> 02:09:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how good he is or what kind

2766
02:09:59,400 --> 02:10:01,200
Speaker 1: of a guy he is, so you have questions about that.

2767
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Bills would want to sign

2768
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:06,200
Speaker 1: up Yannicking Gotway. I think yeah, And they're not going

2769
02:10:06,240 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 1: to get him if he's nineteen million dollars. They're not

2770
02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:12,120
Speaker 1: saying that for Yannick and got Quay and bless his

2771
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:14,040
Speaker 1: hard he can have all the money he wants, but

2772
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:19,520
Speaker 1: he's nothing special. Yeah, I don't think he's a dominant player.

2773
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:21,400
Speaker 1: If you're gonna pay a guy nineteen million dollars, you

2774
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:24,840
Speaker 1: better be able to rubber stamp fifteen sacks behind his name.

2775
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:26,880
Speaker 1: All Right, we gotta break here. We're coming back in

2776
02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:29,160
Speaker 1: a moment. One Bill slide presented by Klatt of Health

2777
02:10:29,160 --> 02:10:32,200
Speaker 1: from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This is Buffalo

2778
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:49,200
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Alrighty, then, what have we learned from today's show?

2779
02:10:49,240 --> 02:10:52,720
Speaker 1: Brought to you by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental

2780
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:55,760
Speaker 1: company of the Buffalo Bills. We had draft analyst John

2781
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:58,800
Speaker 1: Ledyard on the show coming earlier in one o'clock or so.

2782
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:01,680
Speaker 1: We asked him. Now, to combine is over what NFL

2783
02:11:01,720 --> 02:11:04,120
Speaker 1: teams learned from the combine to prepare for the draft.

2784
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 1: Here's what John Ledyard had to say. You enter the

2785
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:11,040
Speaker 1: combine and you have these preconceived notions about how things

2786
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:12,720
Speaker 1: are going to go or who you would like to

2787
02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:16,360
Speaker 1: see tests well, and sometimes our automatic response is to

2788
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:19,480
Speaker 1: dismiss information if it goes against kind of what we're thinking.

2789
02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:22,280
Speaker 1: That the combine is shown, especially at certain positions, and

2790
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,600
Speaker 1: when you take certain test results into consideration, that the

2791
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:29,839
Speaker 1: information we've leaned there can be extremely helpful in predicting

2792
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:33,840
Speaker 1: success of NFL players. So it is actually wiser for

2793
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:36,560
Speaker 1: us to kind of dismiss some of the notions that

2794
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:39,000
Speaker 1: we had coming in if some of the combine information

2795
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:40,840
Speaker 1: flies in the face of that, order to at least

2796
02:11:41,120 --> 02:11:43,680
Speaker 1: go back to the tape and reanalyze kind of what

2797
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:46,000
Speaker 1: we've seen with the new information that we've gained to

2798
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:49,280
Speaker 1: see if our perspective changes at all, and John Ledyard

2799
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense. Also on the show today,

2800
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:55,839
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander Farmer Bills Linebacker, member of the NFLPA Executive Committee,

2801
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:59,280
Speaker 1: talked about how complex the new CBA proposal actually is

2802
02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:03,040
Speaker 1: as they get set to vote on it. Our group

2803
02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 1: of members that we try to fight for it is

2804
02:12:05,240 --> 02:12:07,280
Speaker 1: very diverse, not only in an age and when they

2805
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:10,200
Speaker 1: played and when they will play, but also in how

2806
02:12:10,240 --> 02:12:11,760
Speaker 1: you came in as the league. You know, a first

2807
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:14,840
Speaker 1: rounders desires are a lot different than a guy hired

2808
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:17,360
Speaker 1: that was undrafted and just trying to make the roster,

2809
02:12:17,400 --> 02:12:19,800
Speaker 1: and you have all those guys in between that, and

2810
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:22,040
Speaker 1: so when you try to come together and come up

2811
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:24,680
Speaker 1: with ideas that work for you as a body, and

2812
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 1: then go into a room and negotiate with owners who

2813
02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:30,400
Speaker 1: have a you know, a one track mind and sense

2814
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:32,600
Speaker 1: and where it's all about the money it's hard to

2815
02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:36,000
Speaker 1: find a deal or come to a deal that I

2816
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:38,960
Speaker 1: think makes everybody happy and that impacts everybody in a

2817
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:41,480
Speaker 1: positive way. And I think this deal that's currently on

2818
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:45,200
Speaker 1: the table reflects that in a lot of ways. Run Alexander,

2819
02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:48,880
Speaker 1: you know he's right. Um, it's a diverse and complex

2820
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:52,200
Speaker 1: membership they have. In the end up of NFLPA, everybody's

2821
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:55,120
Speaker 1: got a different agenda. Jj Wat's agenda is different than

2822
02:12:55,320 --> 02:12:58,400
Speaker 1: Levi Wattle's agenda, just for example. And at the end

2823
02:12:58,440 --> 02:13:01,320
Speaker 1: of seven, I think they'll vote to reprove it. But

2824
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody's gonna be happy with it, you

2825
02:13:03,320 --> 02:13:05,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They'll say, hey, whatever, let's you

2826
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:08,000
Speaker 1: get the Omega tory. Both sides the argument saying, wow,

2827
02:13:08,040 --> 02:13:10,240
Speaker 1: the players won this one. They finally got some stuff.

2828
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:12,080
Speaker 1: They deserve it. And then you get to some to

2829
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:14,400
Speaker 1: say just the opposite. The players got taken to the cleaners.

2830
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 1: They're idiots and they're undisciplined, and they got this vote

2831
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:21,640
Speaker 1: through because the younger guys outvoted the guys who knew

2832
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:24,200
Speaker 1: or that kind of thing. Yeah, you'll hear criticism of

2833
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:26,280
Speaker 1: it from both sides, and it'll be a long it'll

2834
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:28,240
Speaker 1: be a while before we actually really know how it

2835
02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:31,080
Speaker 1: plays out. Lorenzo is not ready to predict success, but

2836
02:13:31,160 --> 02:13:33,320
Speaker 1: I will. I think it'll pass. I think it'll pass, right,

2837
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:35,400
Speaker 1: don't you. I kind of think it will and nobody

2838
02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:37,520
Speaker 1: will be happy, but it'll pass, and we'll be happy

2839
02:13:37,560 --> 02:13:40,440
Speaker 1: when there's football for a couple for ten more years. Hey,

2840
02:13:40,440 --> 02:13:43,120
Speaker 1: you want to thank our production assistance today, George Blast,

2841
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:47,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Coltonick, Thomas Holland or Kelly Rude, jj Urito, Kevin Kartis,

2842
02:13:47,080 --> 02:13:49,920
Speaker 1: James Roebel, our producer Jay Harris. We are back tomorrow.

2843
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:52,320
Speaker 1: We're back and working here in Archard Park. We're excited

2844
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:54,760
Speaker 1: about it. Join us at noon. One Bill Slide presented

2845
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:57,600
Speaker 1: by Kalida Health from the Seneca Studio in Archard Park.

2846
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:03,040
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. It is a spring rowing

2847
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:04,640
Speaker 1: us basement